 Alright, thanks for staying with us, as we already know Our leaders are comfortable Our leaders are comfortable Okay, so emphasizing the critical role of... Okay, this is parents day Now, let me get something that I think... Jennifer, maybe you should establish that story again on YouTube Okay Basically, the Brazil's ex-presidents, Fernando Collor de Melo bags 106 months' imprisonment for bribery and money laundering So I think from these as well, the guy is actually 73 years old So I have a question Why is it that older guys that are always committing these fraudulent acts? What are the old people? I thought you said there was somebody else in that story Yeah, the current president The current president was also sentenced He spent about 580 days in prison But then his case was overturned Alright, so accountability is a key component in leadership It is essentially the act of holding yourself accountable to others and to be an effective leader You must be able to hold yourself accountable for your actions and decisions as well as actions and decisions of those you are responsible for So accountability takes many forms And when leaders are held accountable for their actions as well as understand the consequences of failing to meet expectations people will trust their leaders more Bringing this back home to Nigeria or Nigerian leaders Today we are asking can our leaders be held accountable especially judging by all the conversations and the jailing and what's it called, the stories that we took in the news Now please let's hear what you have to say Remember you can join the conversation Send us an SMS or whatsapp to 081 8034663 You can also do that at us at Wayshow Afqa1 with the hashtag Wayshow Alright, so I mean from the story that you established, Jennifer and I think we've said this thing several times in different ways and I wanted to really sink in not from a point of maybe an attack or anything A lot of times when you see yes when you see, it's just like a child when you tell your child, oh you are going to wear your shoes you know how parents used to do now before you come they don't take off At some point what you have done if you keep doing that for a while what you've successfully done is to build distrust So the child sees you now and the child does not trust or does not believe you will do what it is that you want to do all the promises that you have made whether you will fulfill that So that's what has happened to us as a nation Over the years different things have happened and this is not attributed to one person or one tenure, one regime or whatever Collectively the crop of leaders that we've had over the years it's been different disappointments upon disappointments All of a sudden now people are not trusting of the government and for there to be accountability there has to also be that first of all the willingness on the part of the person that needs to be held accountable to say hold me accountable that willingness for that transparency One, that transparency is lacking Secondly, once trust is bridged it is difficult for you to gain that trust back because you have to now warm your way into the person's life and deliberately take steps and actions that would say you know what this person now sees that sincerity and the genuineness of your actions to say you know what this person I think we can start to trust the person Accountability is never about the other party I think accountability is more on you as a person I would be the one to choose that you can hold me accountable if you ask me because a lot of times again I've heard this argument that Nigeria we do not hold our leaders accountable it is only who wants to be held accountable that will be held accountable do you understand? until you tell yourself that you know what but there are laws in place we will come to the laws in fairness you see now we should tread it softly but we will come to the laws, it's true but can the leaders be held accountable? the question that we have posed I would say only if they want to be held accountable because now look at the story I took about the president talking off and saying that they will crush all oil thefts we know I mean I don't know if you guys ever saw that video on oil theft the size of the vessel that is used the size of the vessel that is used to steal oil come on it's not like chewing gum that I can hide inside this place and put it inside my brain do you understand? it is a syndicated stealing structure so that's what I'm saying that it's beyond talking tough right heads will have to go down for it people what's it called there has to be some deliberate attempt to see that people will be arrested people will be jailed because guess what every oil theft that happens in this country is in connivance with the military connivance with the the marine connivance is sometimes even with the what's it called security agencies it's a complete connivance with them nobody can come and steal oil of this magnitude do you understand without some level of somebody looking away and say you know what just give me my coat so when I say that can leaders be held accountable the answer I would say is that only they want to but let me hear your thoughts do you think what happened in Brazil let me come to you Mary first do you think what happened in Brazil do you think we can ever have that kind of scenario maybe not at this point but I think we can get there I think the leaders can be held accountable I honestly do think I know it's a far stretch from where we are but I think they can be held accountable and with baby steps eventually we would get there I mean we had the news of is it Fanny Coyote who is on the investigation now by the EFME fire me that's a step I believe under every normal circumstance he could have probably bribed his way through or might still bribed his way through but I'm just saying that it's a step even them holding him, investigating and probing is a step of being accountable so I believe that yes our leaders can be held accountable so I'll come back to that so personally I believe I kind of agree with you if you want to be held accountable once you hold yourself accountable you don't necessarily need a large number of people or people outside of yourself to hold you accountable and if there is something else that I know our legal system is a bit corrupt now for the Brazil express what we were talking about you can see that there was nothing that he could do do you understand the legal system is working but I also know that even in other countries because corruption isn't only in Nigeria it's all over the world that I'm sure that even in Brazil alone there are probably some powerful people that have committed worse crimes or committed the same crime as he has and they've not been held accountable but for Nigeria bringing it back home we saw a lot of things this period for I don't exactly have confidence in our legal system there's no 100% confidence for me to say the legal system or the law will be able to bring these people to books when they commit a crime because some of these crimes that were committed were committed in brotherly like it was seen you know who to apprehend you know who to sentence you know the exact crime that they have committed but we see that time and time again people are going scot free people are going scot free it's only people who can't build themselves out of these situations or people who do not have money that actually suffer those are the people that they actually hold accountable you commit a crime you've been taken to jail and probably nobody heard from you again and it's probably something you did that was very very small but then when you talk about something about this magnitude you know the funny thing somebody has argued that if you are going to steal in this country make sure you steal very heavy so you can bribe away so that you can bribe away out of it but let me take a break I like to open up phone lines to hear your thoughts on this and I want to come back to what myriad touched on on femicide being held up by AFCC we'll do all of that first let's go on a break alright thanks for staying with us and if you just tuned in we're discussing ladies night and we're discussing can our leaders be held accountable taking a cue from what had happened jailing a president in other countries now please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an sms or whatsapp to 0818034663 you can also tweet at us at with the hashtag our phone line is now open the number to call is 07025007749 that's the number it's called remember turn off whatever device it is that you are watching or listening in from so we don't have a feedback so it's actually interesting that you mentioned coyote fire may be held up by AFCC now my challenge with that kind of story is that two things in Nigeria the only time we get to see and this is just me from a layman's standpoint the only time we get to see people being like they now bring the terminology which can't or whatever it's probably maybe the person has fallen out of favor with the government and again even when we see these things about interrogation we never hear the end of it you know we just see it it makes noise make a lot of news and all of that and all of a sudden it goes quiet and that's why for me the story I took I think on Tuesday where they were talking about the was it on Tuesday I think so in your state that was linked to the master's degree student that was killed he was going to him and three of his member of staff would be sentenced to death by hanging I was quite happy because not that I was happy that somebody was dying I was happy that at least we've seen an end to this conversation and this story this crime a lot of crime happens in Nigeria and it's almost like if you are not doing the crime you are like on the other side like now crime is so normalized that when you try to do things by the books or do things right right it's almost like you are now the alien right it's now like that it's that lopsided right so um yes it is good that for me for me is being interrogated by EFCC first two things for me is it that he's not in favor with the current government because we know so many would have done worse crimes but because you're in the same thing we've seen this thing happen over time where they come to same party just to you understand just to make sure that they are in the same and they don't get what's the code now they don't get to be scrutinized or get to be arrested or whatever for their crimes we've seen that happen and that's on one hand secondly stories like this it really doesn't stay long right but I think we have a caller Ezekiel thank you for calling good evening hello good evening hi Ezekiel you're live yeah alright this is Ezekiel from Ogba thank you for calling go ahead I want to greet you all in the studio thank you alright now let me just chip in my own contribution just a little bit now the issue of our leaders in this country what they are doing that's right or wrong then literally in the need I had now that you know go after scouting chiefs to crush all chiefs now the truth is is what we've been hearing over and over again like you said you know that is a fabricate approach you know they will say but nothing will be done the altis this issue of altis is not done by poor people is done by rich people and they know them I wrote on my group my transfer group chat that the problem of Nigeria can be solved by the people in the country they know the issue to our problems but they will not do anything you know why because of party party politics is my friend so that I know and they look away because of greed you know in Japan they eat like a hyena they eat without remnant now they know how to tackle the issue in the country but they won't do it they will never do it and I keep saying that go help Nigeria see go help Nigeria and go use one person also the people that are open need to help us go help Nigeria people that can help Nigeria are there in government but they just won't do it thank you so much Ezekiel I think Ezekiel is just further emphasizing the point I had made earlier these are things that we hear all the time it sounds really nice on paper we are going to crush them we are going to do this we are going to end it can we have a bit of faith the issue of faith now faith is not stupidity and even the bible says that while you are having that faith without work is dead you must add action to whatever it is that you are doing and again this is for me because I feel like we are at the crossroad it's either this government that has come into power will make Nigeria or break Nigeria so you really must be very intentional and deliberate let's stop playing to the gallery we used to do it insanity they say you do the same thing over and over again and you expect a different result that is you are insane let's change that narrative let me take another caller it's been a long time young guys old man why did you abandon us hello are you there should we lose him that's an old caller young guys old man are you there we can hear you now a long time oh sugar please try to call back so I mean accountability right I can only and this is what I teach my children today tango is even day of group operating I think my children that for everything that happens in your life you must you must hold yourself accountable for it don't push the blame on somebody else because again this is what we see all the time with our leaders okay something is going by it was the previous administration it was this one, it was this person that did not let me do my job this is what we see all the time let's take ownership let's own our mistakes oh this one we really goofed you understand but you see what we are taking steps and measures to ensure that this kind of error does not happen again that way gradually you'll be building back trust you understand because now we are seeing integrity now look at this it feels subsidy issue now that has happened where is the blueprint that says all this other money that you have taken aside from subsidy how you are going to the plan you can't just say it vaguely that I would throw it into infrastructure, throw it into the where is the plan these are things that will hold you even as a leader accountable because now you have shown me that this is the where I'm going so if you see me going left you can now call me back to other but let's take good evening good evening good evening my sister in the studio yes I'm here good evening good evening you can hear me yes we can hear you yes please go ahead my take is this the system allows these people to seal us dry you know what I said the system allows them to seal us dry then Gira has a system that doesn't have consequences for bad behaviour but specially in this fourth republic I don't know if you are getting it in the same way we don't have a good system to reward good behaviour if we have a system that rewards good behaviour we will also look at the system that have to have consequences for bad behaviour let me ask you guys some questions what has happened to your counter-general today is the man not working freely he went to Lesser Edge is he not to pray to God after looking the treasure dry you see the system will run around you everybody is struggling to get into that system so once they get into that they know that they will be protected like you said that Versu is not a needy that can just disappear so is it Nigeria is like a place where some group of people conspire together to make sure they impoverish the people by sealing them dry and their position is expressed in every way considering Bagia to become the chief of staff Bagia has one election in Suruleri there will be one so we need to fit that position we need only two positions we don't have the reason to do that we will see how that plays out so we don't have a system that punishes people for bad behaviour that is it thank you thank you so much so so who is the structural the system now who is the structural the system the people that are corrupt are the top I feel people that are going to form the system but Jennifer what do you think so I think at the end of the day with situations like this it's just a hope for the best and hope that there is someone that comes in that has I get that but then the honest truth is what more can we do there's so much you can fight I saw it sweet today I was trying to get it but maybe I would look for it and probably we were able to talk about it but it's almost in alignment with this and how our optimism as Nigerians is equated to cowardice because we are holding onto optimism this hope so we just sit back and relax and not do anything and then when one person or a group of people decides to do something it's like you're going outside of the norm so as a people collectively we are used to corruption we are used to bad behaviour we are used to all of these things so when one sector just moves and goes outside of that do you understand you're odd we are used to managing I can bribe my way through it so for those who can bribe their way through it I can bribe my way through it and get this but then if this group of people come out and decide that we want to change things, we are tired of this now you have 100 people as opposed to about 1 million people and then you have only 10 people who are able to bribe their way through once that 100 people is like oh you're coming to spoil my show let me take youngest old man longest time hello are you there youngest old man are we still having network issues oh wow our enemies don't want us to talk to our friend of the house so I think I found this way so the person said that we use optimism as a copy mechanism so you see oh like I just said now hope for the best I can only hope for the best but it is not a strategy it is not a strategy and I feel like as a country a lot of us are waiting for that save you youngest old man are you there yes I am here now long time ah you are bad done though so it's not fair go ahead please this is the show about our possibility the the fish don't face point from head we don't even know it's going to be the cut all I know is that we just hope that good thing will come out of that but basically when I watch an interview sorry I think it's pitch it's pitch I watched it I think good point today I almost cried when the old man said things are happening I think she said that it's our first time saying it publicly nobody is aware of what people go through sometimes when you try to do the right thing in a country like ours the pastor I can't tell you I said something about the matter that you say even when you pray to God for a life you lose your heart so basically there is nothing that is going wrong and the level of encouragement is high and that is why you say it's high telling you that being of good value is not this world model there is not something that he looked after he wants to blow because the good guy has been seen as the Jew guy so we have a lot what we love to do in this country and for me with my age I am not you understand do you know about big worry little work coming up in those days I know we envy people that are also people that are with good attitudes people that keep up to standards you understand we look up to people you see people that you want to kind of promote people that you like to be mentors but now what is coming up is so long that we don't even know what our people coming up to because basically everything is just there and you know the point about the average Nigeria the average Nigeria is not Andrea but corruption it's not Andrea because it's some part of the corruption absolutely it goes into there now it's connection corruption absolutely if you have people for shows you can tell you you have gone to a station where the person is in the cell I had one late night tissue and I had a see-up and came in with a police man and he took me to the cell I met the pastor there and it's because he am very good something is happening in this country you know what is really happening thank you thank you you see what the youngest one said so my sister called me this morning and she said that the head that somebody was going to be appointed someone now called her husband and I was saying that please quickly call him position yourself that is Nigeria we can't be shouting we are using two sides of our mouth to be talking tomorrow Naredos appoints Mary chief luxury shopper for the president and all of that we already said the position for it man chief luxury shopper to the president of the further republic of Nigeria when Mary is appointed all of it is something what is this international now what are you talking about I mean everybody it is corruption only when it is not in your favor do you understand so when we talk about accountability I don't even know how we really want to know that accountability can only happen from individual reasons I have told myself come rain come sunshine this is the principle that I will stand back this is what I will live by then guess what you don't take it a step further print out that principle in a working document show it to your people that you are governing to say ok these are the steps that I have decided to take if you see me going out of this what is called jurisdiction call me back to order you understand then you are not saying be my accountability partner accountability starts with you first this thing reminds me of a diet have you seen that picture that we dance kids of when you want to diet and your friend says I thought your diet is just small I just want to take let's take a comment ok we have Loma why you get that comment Mary Loma from Abia State quickly go ahead good evening my dear creeper good evening this is Loma from Abia State yes please go ahead see we can hold our leader's accountability if only Inet will not impose a leader on us Inet and some other will not impose leaders on us now come to Abia State we decided to speak a leader acceptable by all tomorrow if the money is not doing well we will ask him questions you promise this you promise that because the money is the product of the people we can only hold our leaders responsible if those leaders are the product of the people not impose like the way I present our make up today thank you very much I knew he was going to go there Mary you take the comment good evening my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying can our leaders be held accountable our leaders can be held accountable without any shadow of doubt the so called leaders make promises so they have no choice than to fulfill them any leader that makes promises and fails to fulfill them can never be a leader some stubborn leaders make promises and refuse to fulfill them and then refuse to be accountable for them and they end up damning the consequences a typical example of a leader that refuses to be accountable for his promises is the new leader we have now before his inauguration but he ended up starting to disappoint us but he ended up starting to disappoint us my dear beautiful runaway sister Jenny you are welcome back I miss you a lot let me quickly address initial disappointment that Daniel is talking about and I believe is tied to this fuel scarcity and I'm sorry the fuel subsidy removal in fairness I don't fault the president for taking that decision I think everybody has come to the agreement that fuel subsidy in this country is a scam where I fault some of these policies is what else have you put in place and where is the plan so let me not just say we channel the money to something else what are we doing exactly how much will be generated like let's have details Austin from Benin you are live quickly have a minute yes I just want to point this out I am waiting the labor party guys who were who got who won election to the national assembly I am waiting to see if they will get to the national assembly are complaining about the jubu pay they are earning there I want us to take note of this then we will discuss it later thank you Austin I like what he is saying but you see they have to pay but why you won't give Okada a man there was something Loman said just give me a little moment because what he said was the people we wanted to put in power it would be easier to hold them accountable but then I want to go back to something that said that holding someone accountable or someone being accountable comes from within now even if I put you in power when you do something or you start to act out you start to act outside of what you have said you would do there is so much I can say or do if it is not coming from within you would still misbehave and then that is it because we just believe there is one person in the side so let me tell you how I think the Arabs think they don't talk to themselves they say it is a personal pride no country we find out that my country my people must live like kings because they are kings it is a personal resolve until we get our leaders to look beyond personal issues every Nigerians life matters and we must start to live like royalty we must start to live like kings we must start to tap into the resources that we have in surplus and we must give a decent life to every single Nigerian it is a personal resolve when that happens you see things just automatically changing until that happens we really cannot find any leader that they want to hold accountable and on that note thank you so much Jennifer thank you so much Mary why are you smiling she is smiling all through today alright so please before we go ensure you follow us across all our social media handles thank you to all our callers especially all our old time callers now remember you can interact with us join the conversation and more importantly follow all the engagements on social media make sure you invite your family and friends to watch and follow the conversation now if you missed our very very simple and short quote for today here it is again it says and I quote accountability feels like an attack when you are not ready to acknowledge or behave your harms others remember what I said before not everything is an attack on your person right they are actually honest criticism that you must be willing to listen to we will see you guys tomorrow at 8pm as we bring another great conversation to your screen enjoy