 And welcome to the red man group episode 97 Talk healing from toxic relationships with special guest Richard Granon Let me get that off there. Yeah, perfect So we'll pull him in here mr. Richard Granon and also joining us. He's from Spartan Life Coach on YouTube You can look up by Richard Granon or Spartan Life Coach plumber right up We also have a today of course joining us Steve the Dean Williams the one and only gentlemen. Thanks for joining me Thank you. Thank you Now we've had obviously you guys are Steve, you know regular on the show, you know host of the red man red man mindset all these things Richard Granon has been on the show a couple times before Way back in like 2018 We did a couple episodes on dangerous personalities and women cluster B's borderline stings like that the Hell's Angels so to speak of women and Then I don't he might have come on once later, but they also went on the red man group in Poland We did two episodes live in Warsaw, Poland after the convention at the end of it And that was really great Richard Granon was also speaker for the first time at the 21 convention in 2019 in Florida for Poland And he gave a full presentation there on his his old thing and then he also did a workshop we'll talk about for extended workshop for like three hours on Surviving female psychopaths from surviving the thriving really fascinating topic that many of you might relate to Richard was also supposed to be a speaker in 2018 at the convention and then he had a medical issue at the last minute He had to pull out and he actually ended up funny pull out. 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No pun intended But I don't usually He though he gave us a He gave us a speech basically he was in a give-out the convention and a lot of you've seen that on YouTube I'll actually pull it up in a second here You guys this is actually this one really viral so surviving Yeah Well, I'm gonna pull it up here So you guys can actually see this then we'll go to his channel for a second here Yeah So this talk here surviving the female narcissist a deconstruction by Richard Brennan This has been absolutely celebrated in the man's fear and it was his kind of break Breakthrough into the man's for a community and providing some real value some real content that no one had ever seen before at this level And this is the whole speech he gave on it and you guys can see that on our YouTube channel He has clips of Venice channel as well as well And his channel is actually right here Spartan life coach now retitled Richard Brennan He's pushing in on 200,000 subscribers grown rapidly blown up might even surpass 21 studios soon. It's a fuck. Yeah Beyond this little introduction as gave you rich Can you actually tell our audience for those of them that don't know you like what you're about before we get into today's content? Yeah, sure. It's it's probably gonna be relevant to a lot of the guys watching my my background was actually in teaching self-defense and My my original project was called street flight secrets.com and that was like real-world defensive tactics for guys Who could potentially be using it tonight or this weekend? So in after about seven or eight years of developing it we got to the point where it was actually taken on by the air marshals and It was being used by the UK riot Center So it's a big thing we had a lot of guys bodyguards soldiers nightclub bouncers MMA fighters boxes You name it tough guys And I get into it with them and I start talking to them and every single one of them was getting completely Mashed at home by wives girlfriends Sometimes with their kids sometimes with family members because they had this sort of like good soldier mentality where they would sacrifice themselves and In our culture the word is now that's rewarded. That scene has been extremely You know an honorable good thing for man to do is to sacrifice his wants and desires for everybody else So crates, it's basically absolutely sacrificial lambs like lambs to slaughter and Every single one of these tough guys though is isolating With the man pain and going, okay Well, you know fuck suck it up, bro Because you shouldn't be feeling this way and of course that would lead to heightened suicide rates rates of addiction And all kinds of very serious problems and I resonated deeply with that because I was the same guy I was there with my globally recognized brand police drawn the phone to me the air marshal that the chief Instructor based on aspects of the air marshal to be like we had a problem this week in training Our guys can't do this. Can you fix it? And I'd be like, oh, okay I guess I'll work out for you meanwhile my girlfriend who was living with me at the time was running rings around me So I'm a I'm a self-protection expert traveling the globe teaching people how to protect themselves psychologically and physically I can't defend myself from a 24 year old Dancer girlfriend can't and she was destroying me in MMA terms. You know the answer, huh? Yes She's in the entertainment business So I felt tremendous shame so I couldn't share that with anybody so I was Internalizing it too and I realized that I had a problem a lot of the guys I was talking to you had a problem So I did a breakaway little like life coaching on Relationship issues for these guys and I was like, what should I call it? I'll give it a super masculine sounding name like the Spartan life coach and it started out like that Spartan life coach Eventually Exploded once I started touching the buttons with the videos on issues like narcissism and Psychopathy then it just blew up the videos that went viral or the ones where people would say talk talk about narcissism I'm like, I don't really know that I believe that that's a thing that exists back in 2012 when it started I was I was I knew about it But I knew about it from a conspiracy theorist's point of view So I'd be like who's the most evil people in the world. They'll be narcissistic psychopaths. I didn't really think of it in terms of relationship Once I opened that door I realized they explained a tremendous amount was going on my own life side to get to the root cause We're looking at childhood trauma. We're looking at absent fathers. We're looking at a smothering attachment style By mothers where they sort of consume their kids and they can't draw boundaries with their kids fathers like a single mom Like we're raising a mom's boy or something like that Well, that which is which is me, you know, that's that's that was my lived experience My father was disappeared. He was in prison because he's a bad dude and my mom was left You know, I look back and I'm like obviously with time and experience maturity Develop this kind of a compassion. You're like my god, you know, she was really young She did the best she could with what she knew at that time, but she didn't know very fucking much So then you have like bad coping strategies alcohol being used and just a lot like you can just see this like this Shitstorm with all the ingredients there to produce really hellish conditions in which to grow that make it hard to adult It makes it hard to be a man. So I struggled through my 20s and 30s I was clawing my way through trying to grow up and be a man without any kind of guidance without any kind of Well that you know Well, one of the one of the people that I would attach to fictional characters or Famous people and one of my big turning points was Patrice O'Neill was listening to Patrice O'Neill and that Changed my whole mind, but I was discussing this at length with Steven and Paul and Patrice O'Neill was like broad brushstrokes philosophy of How it is but not that much on solutions and then Steve to me is the solution side of that So you have Patrice O'Neill because he's a great stand-up comedian in my opinion the best he's ever lived And he would he had this great perspective. So he goes. Here's the problem beautiful perfect and then you'd be like, what's the solution? Steve's a man for the for the for the actual granular granular solutions for the problems that Patrice laid out But yeah, I mentioned that you two got to remember that the first time you guys met you guys met Like right when you showed up you're in the hotel in Poland. Yes. I was like, oh, no Steven rich get to me It's really fun for me to see when speakers meet and the personalities kind of, you know bump into each other and see what happens Yeah, are they gonna fight are they gonna get along what's going on here? Yeah, everyone gets along great usually so that's cool Yeah, I Just want to say real quick for those listening man. I love this guy. Yeah, I was gonna get some chicken. Don't judge me We sat down and we just I mean we just talked it's like time flew it's like it was like we've known it's like You know when you connect with someone you like feel like you know them for a long time We just sat and we just talked and it was just it was awesome And I I didn't mean to interrupt the thing but yeah, it was awesome man It was awesome Well, we should talk about the convention a little bit because I don't think we ever had rich you were there Like what was your experience of a man as your first time that is meeting me and Steve But your first time seeing the Manusphere event and I think Yeah, I mean, I think I said to you at the time it's And I think you told me this beforehand like you'd said something like you're gonna like it You're gonna really love it, but I can't you said to me. I can't really describe to you What it's like what you're gonna get from it and so for me It was it was an amazing experience hearing the speakers as an audience member. That was great But chatting to guys outside. I learned so much. I mean you talk about like we're joking about Steve So I sat down with Steve for a one-hour session and then he was kind enough extremely generous with his time Gave me another two-hour session. I was just downloading information. I was going. Oh shit like I was looking at him going. Oh shit. Oh shit Oh, oh, oh shit. He's going. Yeah, that's why you can't do it with the dirt and I was like, oh, okay Okay, so there was a lot of that there. There was a lot of just like I'm a sponge because I'm new I'm new to your field. I'm new to this thing. I had a lot of questions And it was it was great to see guys helping guys guys just helping each other out You got young men there who don't know anything you got the older soldiers They've been through a little bit more battle scarred and they're like well I'll just come over here. Everybody's super generous with their time super generous with their information and I learned Fuck of a lot in the four days That was there. So yeah, it was a good. It was a good positive experience. I enjoyed. Yeah, it was awesome Yeah, two men. I think You know you I thought Jack Donovan would be like the biggest speaker there, but you at the end of the day I think stole the show The speakers were fast. The other speakers, you know Steve AJ a lot of more all these guys are fascinated with you and Even other guys that knew you beforehand like a crouser and I was impressed You really you clicked with the audience really well and it's Really glad to hear that because I didn't know how they were gonna take me So I thought at one point I was like maybe I should adapt to what I think these guys want to hear And I'm like no You should just give it to them straight. So if I think they're being weird or lame or incongruent I'm just gonna go well and to the invite me here. I'm only on for an hour if you guys hate me I'll just get kicked off and that'll be that so I just said it and Respect to those guys who came we've got a room full of like 50 guys, you know strong personalities their own lived experiences and I was just giving it to them straight just saying I think some of this is all shit and Yeah, everybody took it so well. There wasn't this hysterical emotional response There was like a philosophical kind of well, I don't agree with you on some things But okay, you said something interesting there and there wasn't this, you know, we live in times now where there's this panicked You said something I don't agree with You know people go crazy and everybody was just sat there going, okay, that's interesting I don't agree with you on this and this and this but I'll think about it So that impressed me as well. It gave me a lot of hope a lot of hope Yeah, I think with the convention with the speakers and the attendees both I don't talk about this as much but I try to attract everyone that shares values with me You know for and I think that's I think I like my values I think I picked pretty good in life as best I can And you see the you see that express of the convention really highly It's a physical real life expression that lasts, you know, four to five days In Poland, it was a bit smaller, you know, 50 some guys, but it doesn't matter At the end of the day, it's a collection in the quality of men And the attendees matter too If you get a bunch of zombie attendees that are not willing to be active minded And debate and challenge things and think about things even if they disagree with it then it sucks So it's the quality the quality of the speakers matters pretty much on level the quality of the attendees When you had you had some very intellectually curious attendees there, you know guys who are there to learn ego Ego down ego to one side like I'm here What have you got for me? They'd ask good questions. They weren't asking bullshit questions They were asking deep questions and it wasn't It wasn't like a white belt thing. It wasn't like, oh, how could I get more chicks, bro? Which I didn't know whether it would be that it was like people come up to you and go So how do you you know when you're talking nature? How do you make that congruent with this other thing you said over here over zen meditation? I'm like, don't ask me questions that make me think. God damn it It was I was pushed I was being pushed I remember you you commented that you thought our attendees were extremely intelligent. You told me that in private Yeah, they were they're they're bright guys. Yeah, it's cool to hear that That's what I try to get I don't like pandering to people and telling them like I think we would have more attendees If I put like boobs and ass all over the pages and stuff Yeah, and like, you know, if that's what you're gonna if that's uh, officially what you want to do Like that's fine. Like, you know, if you're dating coach or something like that But the convention it has to be so panoramic and comprehensive that I I don't feel I can do that And if I do that we'll lose speakers and stuff Yeah, I try to fit all these things in with a zero compromise and that's a challenge to be able to do that But at the end of the day, it's a really good building thing. We have, you know, we got steve here We got crowds with the pickup artists. We got Richard Graham the psychology guy You got jack Donovan the fucking way of men, you know, a philosophy guy And on and on down the line. So it's amazing to pull it all together. Yeah Yeah, it was it was a very good experience. I really really enjoyed it And last thing on it I think what I think what made you such a star at the event that was kind of a surprise hit is that you were The most outside of the manisphere. You're an outsider Right, you had other than talking to me and like a couple episodes in the red man group You had very little connection with the manisphere Um, almost like molly knew well molly knew is even more manisphere than you were But you're like this outsider figure, but you speak to men and women and you you teach them You know talking about life and everything that you do Yes, yeah, it's uh And I tried to keep that I tried to not sort of change what I do to to match the convention I was like well, here's I'll just stick to what I do know. I do know about Um toxic relationships. I do know about emotional abuse I do know about exploitation and people infringing on each other's boundaries and and the effect of that that I can have And I really tried to hold to a positive message, which is I believe Men and women are better together. I really really do. I think love is a good thing You can have love is a good thing generally you can have brotherly love You can have love at your work and then you have love between men and women and it's a positive thing It's a good thing And saying that out loud shouldn't be controversial, but it's getting that way now. It's getting that way Yeah, it's getting that way in a lot in many different, uh Not domains of life, but many different, uh expressions I mean in the manisphere, you might have some red pill meathead dude We call it donovan sharp calls on that the red pill meathead Like, you know, you love women's for fag like it's blue pill whatever But feminism feminism teaches us too though. They don't want women to love men They want this endless animosity and distrust and masculinity and hatred of men It's really disturbing and it ends up going so far as to reach politics and courtrooms and stuff. Absolutely It's nuts, man. Absolutely. And it's it's gone way too far way way too far now Yeah, uh, it looks like this guy was in attendee at the event ping printer I don't know who this is listening to speakers directly contradictory each other But hash it out behind the scenes. It's cool to see this was as well Yeah, I've seen that a lot of throughout the years. It is amazing to see that It's a sign of real respect and a real value of debate and like, you know, hashing things out. It's fucking badass. It's what men do Yeah, we have a question or two before I get into mine that I think is pretty good. I'm glad this guy asked it So it's from the audience. Uh, Kaiser Sausage. Haha So I've seen that this is an issue that comes up. I got this, uh, thrown at me a lot, uh When I went through my experience with uh, bpd chick And my fellas there's only two ways to be in a toxic relationship One if you're if you're uh, the toxic person two if you're a container of toxic waste So my opinion what he's saying is that it's and I'm skeptical of this like I get that there's a debate here, but I'm skeptical that, uh, Let's say a healthy person without any serious lingering trauma Is somehow immune to a toxic narcissist Right as if as if toxic narcissist would never target a healthy person Yeah, and I get that if you have trauma This is my understanding of the topic I get that if you have uh trauma and weak points and these things that that gives additional hooks so to speak For cluster b or a narcissist or whatever, but Even if you had a healthy upbringing and all these things and you you're a healthily masculine and all that It's little to make you immune to someone who's a predator. That's my take on it It's uh, it's it's yeah, it's correct. That's correct. I mean the published research bears out exactly what you've said I used to be more of the opinion that really you would need to have pre-existing problems To even begin a relationship uh with with somebody like that, but You only have to look at the proliferation I mean I did uh, I paid somebody to help me with my youtube recently and we were getting into google analytics and all this high level Uh stuff and you're saying look at the difference between the search gravity for covert narcissism versus narcissism So covert narcissism where it's hidden is way more interesting to people way more mystifying to people way more frightening uh to them And so that indicates that you know, a lot of people are getting tricked a lot of people are being deceived The person shows up with one mask with one face That's who you invest in and then the mask slips and you see something else behind the scene So no, I don't I don't think it's true that you need to have pre-existing Issues anybody can get duped by these people because Then they're ninjas, you know, they're trained to deceive throughout their whole lives They're really good at what they do and if you're samurai You're trying to operate by day and you you show your you show your house You show your flags you show your values you go this is who I am And they've abandoned that they've abandoned any sort of moral boundaries. They'll poison your kids They'll stick a needle through your ear while you sleep whatever they'll get to you They have the upper hand in that sense and our only way To sort of defy that strategy is to lose our morality, but that's not an option We can't do that because then they really have one Yeah, there's consequences. Yeah, there's no a no free ride What do you think if you can comment? What do you think the motivation the psychology behind this is if now this comment there isn't saying this explicitly But when I've seen it on the internet, this usually comes associated with it And social media and reddit and stuff So when people say this kind of stuff like you can't be in a toxic relationship unless you're fucking toxic or fucked up There seems to be an element of shaming going on But in addition to that it's almost like they don't want to deal with This is my opinion, but they don't want to deal with the fact that maybe they're vulnerable to this happening And they're kind of like blocking that out. Is there something there with that? I think a hundred percent I I would like to be able to put into words the psychological process that you're talking about right now where people sort of do this virtue signaling thing Um, I've seen it a lot in the red pill communities occasionally when pissed off Guys who are red pill come to my youtube comments They they come with this sort of virtue signaling posturing like I'd never let a girl do I'd never let a woman do this You're the and they give you these hard rules these try aphorisms. So it's a fucking alpha bro That shit would never happen Right, right, and I'm sat there again, but If that's true, why are you wasting your time posting youtube comments on a stranger's youtube channel? Like you should be out there alfering it up bro being the king of the fucking jungle So there is an effort I think for people to try and if they can convince you they can convince themselves So it's a weak position Kaiser Kaiser saucy is being Funny, I think he's joking. It's a try aphorism that reduce it to to two binary positions There is an element of victim blaming to it But there's an element of truth there which is if we refuse to be emotional dustbins for other people's crap Um, it's going to be harder for them to get to us and it will lead us to the decision to leave the toxic relationship much faster Refuse to be a dustbin. Yeah, you know the the thing is is that which I was saying about the guy being All alf and everything I call that shadow boxing. He's just He's just started boxing at home, you know pretending to be something until he gets in front of a woman And and you know, we were we were small with what did gi joe say knowing this half the battle, right? But but the thing is there's a lot of people don't know their name, you know age I know it's not like a uh a broken record But you know worthiness and last name and knowing what you want You know, you you're always gonna find you we always don't get it At least one time in our life or several times depending on how how much you tolerate from a woman A woman is going to do what you allow her to do and if she sees that that you don't have that stand You know, you I'm all alpha. I'm all alpha, you know on on the computer and then you're going well I'm sorry, you know, please forgive me. She's she's gonna walk all over you man. Yeah Yeah, this is this is why I love Steve because I say I need words and I haven't got it yet And he'll go there's the words you need shadow boxing. That's perfect So the guy's at home in front of the mirror going. Yeah, I could do this I could do that you take him in the fucking ring and it's a different story I like that a lot actually I usually say Hebrew Jackie, but shadow boxing is more more apt. It's good Yeah, yeah Yeah, miss ponos post up some comments that these guys are fans of your channel They watch what you do this guy was in your emotional literacy literacy course. Oh, that's great. That's great. That's good That's good. I could use some more of that and still learning emotions the color wheel the color wheel The color wheel mate. You got you got to work that color wheel. It's hard though You know, and you're not we're not living in times where you'll be rewarded for that So so having that discipline to do it for yourself is difficult But I do think it makes you more of a man I do think it makes you more masculine because what you're tuning into is what you want and how you feel And if you're going, oh, I don't really like this But I got a role play being a good soldier and you push that down Every time we push down you lose that little bit of ground in terms of your masculinity. I think Yeah, this is and this is really common too This is actually pretty well known in the man's sphere that there's a lot of guys and military guys will tell you this Guys who are veterans in america that are in the man's sphere Let's tell you that You'll find some of the some of the biggest badasses in the military But at the end of the day they end up being the biggest fucking betas with women And I've seen that I've seen this in real life too. It's nuts It's absolutely nuts. These guys are hardcore as fuck. They are trained. They have fucking killed people And yet some 25 year old little hottie will walk all over them and put them through an emotional ringer that could lead to suicide Yeah, absolutely. It's bizarre. It's it's it's really weird dichotomy, but yeah, I get it It happens so much that I would be tempted to say they're not the exceptions to the rule I think they're the rule, you know, the if I see some super alpha dude Who's got all that going on and I don't know he's mma fighting at the weekends and going on in private military Contracts by the week. I'll be thinking he's probably when it comes to women. He's gonna have a lot of difficulties because They seem like if you have that good soldier mindset it's anathema to to this other battle to this other game the strategies are like Almost opposite the way of conduct is almost opposite, you know, everything that you've been taught to do that works over here This kept you alive over here. Yeah, you don't do clear like number one clear communication I'll tell you where I am and what I'm doing at all times at HQ so you can give me air support Switch that to the other battleground and I don't know what Steve would say about People exactly where you are at all times, but it's it's risky especially if you're dealing with toxic personality Well, to me like we're anthony's saying about the the alpha guy that's tough on the outside But goes home that that's always always say that's a what you are versus what I mean what you do versus what you are You know The game always say the game has got to be inside of you It can't be outside of you and that's and what you are I mean we can all portray and we all have Output tendencies like at work in certain things outside the house But because we don't have a sense of self we get home or we get in front of somebody that we quote on quote care about Or have emotional feelings about We we kind of tend to let them slide on certain things which we shouldn't let slide So it's just a what you are versus what you do, man right, right Yeah, we have a question here. I still want to get into some of my own But the audience keeps popping these up will will it says richard at all Do you feel that even covert vulnerable narcs are unaware of what they are doing? Is it 80 20 that most of them know what they're doing and the rest are just programmed? I feel some don't It's a it's a really difficult one It's a good question. I get I get asked this kind of question at least at least once a month It's a really good one. I'm going to try and remember what Sam vagnan Taught me about this which is So first of all with covert and vulnerable narcissists You've got to remember that what makes them different to the classic grandiose narcissists This is according to the american psychiatric association, which is probably the I personally prefer that text to any of the other ones What makes them that way is shame So they have their grandiose fantasies. They have their entitlements, but they feel extremely ashamed of those fantasies They go through cycles So they're not consistent the grandiose narcissist is usually having a pretty good time because they're consistently living this Hyper idealized version of themselves the covert vulnerable narcissist is feeling high and they're like a junkie They're high and they're low. They're high and they're low So that's where you'll see this double triple quadruple personality shine through depending on where they are on the on the cycle The more emotionally cycling you are the more your perceptions get twisted So if we can reduce this to some simplicity, it's a good question. Well, um, Is let's say they lie or they gaslight. Do they know that they're doing it? Well, the more emotionally dysregulated they are the less internal boundaries they are and there's less self awareness So they might not it's called Sam vagnan taught me this word a cap confabulation So they'll say something that they can tell you one truth in the morning and another truth in the afternoon that are totally Oppositional, but it's not that they're constantly going ha ha. This is a lie What they're doing is they're so deep in this other emotional flashback Shitstorm of negative emotion year that they're actually accessing a different part of their brain in certain sense. I'm not Saying they're bereft of responsibility. They're not but it's not as straightforward as we would usually want to talk about it The boundaries blur. It sounds like yeah, it sounds like for them It's all kind of blended together in their head and I believe I believe that from what I've experienced too It really sometimes they're aware of it and sometimes they're not it's all just one It's like this movie. It just keeps playing and playing and playing on re or endlessly or something It's and it's it's still a field of study in its infancy, you know I I think there's a lot of scope over the next 10 years in in in the proper psychological research to actually look at Where the boundaries crossover with full-scale schizophrenia? Because if you're very very confused in your story and in your lies and in your emotions plus if you add addictions to drugs and alcohol You're basically slipping over into full-blown psychosis where you can't distinguish between reality And and truth anymore and a lot of people have been in abusive relationships report that to me They said don't think my partner by the end the more desperate they get to hold on to the relationship As the as the other person wakes up they red pill on the narcissistic abuse and move away The more desperate they are the more bullshit. They're gonna spew That's exactly what I felt when exiting my relationship with the infamous medusa, right and philosophically I interpreted looking back on it I'm I'm impressed with myself But I hit the nail on the head with what you're talking about and this is just not from a perspective of psychology But philosophy and I was like this woman this, you know, medusa is trying to destroy my sense of reality Of what is true and what is false and I was looking at it from a point of epistemology a theory of knowledge I'm like, she's actually trying to worm her way in my head and distort that And being an objectivist. This is like a huge no no I mean objectivism is extremely hardcore for reality and reason So it was it was fascinating to see that and it's actually wake up to that And the more I did that the more she would scramble and pull and push and all these things and she was basically What do they call it an exit? Exit flash. What the fuck is that term? I forget the term but it has the word exit in it. But when you're exiting a relationship, yeah, it's oh extinction burst Okay, yeah when the relationship is bit in the cluster b, uh, you know, some of these forms and stuff they have this extinction burst Okay, I've never heard that before is it is it like from astrolite astronomy or something when a star just bursts It reminds me of dinosaur like a dinosaur the dinosaurs right But uh, I really think it's when a relationship is dying And let's say, you know, if you're the guy and it's a chick, you know, that's a narcissist It's it's that last scramble that last desperate attempt to claw you back in and it gets really extreme Yes And that's where you know, I'm glad you highlighted that because I've been saying in the last six months more so since the convention Uh, I've been doubling down on this that actually philosophy will give us more of a foothold to escape These negative relationships and psychology will psychology keeps you on the hamster wheel You know, because in psychology, we're not allowed to say well morally you're wrong because no morals really you can't really hand out moral absolute It's all about how do you feel? Yeah, yeah, yeah, interesting cool, man Let me uh, get into some own questions here before we get more from the audience Cool. So talk to me about cptsd, uh, which is stands for complex post-traumatic stress disorder Would you sometimes call cptsr complex post-traumatic stress response? Yeah, what is that why is important to you and how is it different from ptsd that everyone else knows about? Yeah, um Well, I think it's the the importance of it really is if we take broad brushstrokes is it provides us with a different model for understanding Psychological distress that I think is a superior model because it has the solution baked into the cake So in normal psychiatry, we'd be like, oh you're schizoid with avoidance and the dodgy attachment thing and you go Well, what the fuck do we do about that? Take some drugs and talk about it and hope that it goes away in 10 years time when you're fucking 15 grand Out of pocket from just talking and talking Cptsd as a different model says no look 95 percent mental health issues are rooted in trauma and in defensive Primal responses to trauma and that if we can deal with those primal responses We can heal the ptsd and we can heal the complex ptsd the difference Is a primal a primal response be the 4f's fight. That's the four and freeze Yeah, so you're either flighting Freezing fawning or you're fighting. So you're an animal. We're all animals. The predator's there You're either gonna go don't eat me Eat my hand or eat one of my kids. I don't like this one that much anyway That's a fawning you're trading you freeze So you keep really really still and you hope it won't see you and it will go for another animal That's running away You fight it you pick up a rock and you smash it in its skull or you flight you run like fuck Um, it's been suggested that these because these um responses are on different phases of evolution That perhaps they affect you in different parts of your childhood So if you're freezing that's like your last stitch effort Because you're about to be eaten and what will happen is I I imagine if you're under extreme stress Or if somebody pulls a knife and is about to stab you and you know, you can't move or the gun's out and it Tricks me and you know, you're taking it. You're probably freeze You're probably so then it works right through to flight then fighting and then finally is fawning But the difference between like a kind of a feigned submission to Comfort somebody you kind of manipulate them or calm them down or something like that You could you you negotiate you trade you say don't eat me eat this other thing instead Don't attack me attack or only don't kill me if you attack me just eat my arm Okay, but don't bite my neck It's um Which is you know the big problem of people keep talking about toxic masculinity As I'm always like that that really isn't the problem. There's there's much more With men. There's a much more greater despondent preponderance towards fragility And towards fawning. I think men are now where we're up to culturally. We're trained to form Why because a lot of us were raised without strong father figures. So what else can you do but beg for mercy? That would be like the soy boy new male phenomena where they have that Picture they are the ultimate foreign responders. I mean that's a foreign response on mass, you know our our ultimate ultimate ultimate ultimate sort of end Of the of the genetic imperative is going to be to procreate So you go, well, can I fight you new uh new woman? No, I can't can I can I run from you? No, that's not going to work. That's that's the mig town movement. Can I you know, what what do I do? I freeze so you go to form. That's what these guys are That's a good example there, right? These are well, I this is these are I mean, it could be funny But this is actually a phenomena that we've we've talked about in the man's sphere. There's even a celebrity this soy face We call it and it's I mean some of these are really exaggerated, but really it's this From a body language perspective. I see this and I'm like This is like this fake smile that is supposed to be non-threatening like don't hurt me Don't eat me. I'm a good boy. That's that's how I smile at my nephew who's uh, who's three years old When I do the baby voice because obviously you don't I don't walk up to my nephew and go, hey, how are you doing kid? But hey, how are you? That's the smile I do my eyes are wide and he just goes. Oh, this is cool It's a it's a it's a fawning. That's a fawning facial gesture non-threatening facial gesture Yeah, yeah, it really reminds me of something you'd see from an uh, like a very primitive ape too Like a chimpanzee or something like it really does look like a like a chimpanzee face. It really does. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's fucking weird, man But I really I think you're right though that it is it's what modern men have been conditioned to do It's just a feminine crap and they're taught to act uh in this in this way. That's just disgusting It's but these but these guys these guys are liars because they're just they're just on their last ditch effort of what else can I How do I solve the puzzle and they're like children because with childhood abuse? We end up stuck in this mode of going. How do I solve the puzzle of love? How do I solve the puzzle of attachment? Daddy didn't love me. Mommy didn't love me. What do I cycle through in my primary responses to win the love? So here we have some good little boys trying to win mommy's love and attention And uh, this will get them a little pat on the bottom. I guess Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a fake nice guy thing. They're actually trying to yeah They're trying to get into pants and all that stupid crap. Yeah Yeah, they need to learn the man to fuck up and be kind of an asshole woman digger Yeah So moops. So CPTSD Let me ask you this question too. Is CPTSD currently accepted by mainstream psychology? Is it still Kind of on the fringe because a minor standing PTSD was rejected rejected for a long time too It was initially dismissed as a as a as a legitimate condition, but now it's accepted. Yeah It's it's very controversial and um, you know as a diagnosis Um, I would say that let me let me say the nice thing first There are thousands hundreds of thousands of individual psychotherapists counselors therapists and coaches who totally accept it and work within that model God bless him the term was originally coined by Judith Herman So I think is now the the head professor of psychology at Harvard Um, and then was developed and propagated and popularized by Pete Walker And the difference between CPTSD and PTSD to in brief in PTSD when you go into a flashback You remember what you saw what you heard and what you felt So if you came under sniper fire and you were in a truck And it was a diesel truck then every time you smell the diesel of the truck you'd be like boom You'll hear the breaking glass You'll hear voices screaming over the radio. You'll feel the terror the helplessness the rage the shame whatever you felt At that time and that could happen a major moment that has very sharp pain is what you're saying That is an intense Singular traumatic experience But don't get though I don't want any of the viewers to get hooked on singular because it could be a series of singular incidents That you can remember with a memory that is visual like a video that plays in your mind CPTSD is multiple small incidents That you will not remember visually. You won't remember it as a video in your mind You'll only remember the feeling you'll have an emotional flashback This is extremely problematic because when you sit down with the therapist You can't tell them what the root incident was because you don't know and there's multiple root incidents. I think I think when I first discussed this with you Anthony, I was talking about shooting So if you take a 357 and shoot a target, you have a nice clean hole Whereas if you take a combat shotgun and shoot the target, you have multiple tiny fractures But you'll cut that fucking target in half Whereas with the other ones never you're never going to cut the target in half So it's actually in some ways One's not worse than the other CPTSD is a little bit more challenging Um, and you never get pure CPTSD without PTSD. All people with PTSD have CPTSD or people It's interesting to me from a cultural and media perspective is that PTSD is a lot easier and simpler to portray in movies and tv 100 it's you know, whether it's uh, you know It was uh, you someone was raped or there was a war, you know your combat somebody got blown up or something They can portray that in a movie really easily. Yes, and maybe they Over glamorize it or romanticize it, but it it's fucking real and it fucking sucks Yes, the classic in american movies would be the vietnam vet And we see it close up of his face He's sweating his eyes are moving and he can just hear gunfire and you know The the sounds of being a vietnam and we all know that it's a trope We'll go. Ah He's having a flashback, which actually is a term from psychedelics. It's a it's a the flashback would be the original flashback would be like portrayed by The character Matthew McConaughey's character in true detective Well, when he was in situations of stress because he'd taken so much lsd He'd start to trip and that actually made him very very vulnerable. Somebody's about to kill him He'd start tripping balls. So that's that was the there's a drug It's a drug term that moved over in psychology, which was one of the reasons. I think why it was like, well, okay This is some far out hippie shit right here Plus as far as psychiatry is concerned and the medical insurance companies are concerned There's no real drugs that you can hand out for PTSD or CBT sd. Therefore. There's no money in it Therefore, there's not much funding for it for now for now They do look at I know MDMA for example was used for PTSD treatment before it was outlawed in the united states Right, and they had they had really good responses with it in actual clinical therapy settings, too And now they're trying to bring that back But it's like super difficult obviously because it's a class four or whatever the fuck drug So it's like no one can touch it even mushrooms. I think so psychosilobin They there's been research on that that these things can help But I've I've actually, you know talking to you over the years that I have I do believe like you call it physical support Yeah, so these these could be something, you know, they're experimenting in a lab or whatever setting with, you know MDMA or something But it doesn't have to be that extreme. There's also supplements and things like that that can help chocolate marijuana Even saffron the that herb that is like the red herb These things actually have antidepressant effects that have been studied pretty well And they're not perfect, but my issue with them is I'm realizing is that they're not The core issue in your life if CPTSD or PTSD is an issue trauma The core issue is never a lack of dark chocolate. It's never a lack of saffron supplement in your diet So these things can help and I think it's good, but it's like they're not It's never gonna fix the problem like you have to fix the problem And that's one of the things that I've really learned from you is that you have to heal yourself And I think this is like a big mission or a big idea that you promote like you have to self heal And no one can fix you you have to think in the manager is the same way I'm trying to get people to the point where they can be the coach inside their own heads or the parent inside their own heads A lot of people with CPTSD had bad or to completely absent parents A lot of people with CPTSD have been through Really really bad situations Excuse me where the superego that part of the mind because hijacked I'm gonna cough my guts out. Let me go mute Please mute me So the family alpha just picked up the hunter drew awesome number of speakers Relationship PTSD is a real thing and discussions like these are the only way to help men face and heal from the trauma Only they can get men to stop bringing past baggage into future relationships So while we got you know his comments up here, thank you hunter What would you what would you say to the red pill man is for a meathead guy the alpha alpha bro Who's like, oh you're being a pussy a child of traumas for losers Like this man the fuck up and shut up and you know suck it up walk it off Right, like it's like he broke your leg is walk it off, bitch Like what do you say to that kind of this dismissive attitude because that's really common and why not just a manager But wider culture you're a man wasn't that bad shut up, you know, it's okay. Just move on let it go Like what would what is your basic response to that kind of attitude? I haven't had many men Look me in the eyes and say that to my face. In fact, I've never had a guy look me in the eyes and say that to my face because um There's a lot of things that people would try and do online in terms of the virtue signaling the posturing trying to convince people of who they are, but when you look into my Uh my eyes and you see a human being in front of you spent 10 years going around the world bouncing in night clubs Taking steroids massive amounts of cocaine and psychedelics Drinking himself to death nearly getting imprisoned. You won't feel Like you're talking to somebody who's just A librarian style counselor going oh, it's all about this. Let's have cup of tea and some biscuits Sometimes you're gonna need that but i'm the guy who's telling you this shit is real And it's fucking you up and you know it is so the true alphas I got listen. I was just talking to like a world-class bodybuilder this week They're super fluent in this when you actually speak to somebody who's uh Really comfortable with their own masculinity. They're not trying to do an impression of a wwe wrestler that they've seen on the tv They'll go. Yeah, sometimes I hurt Sometimes my boys they're in pain and I can see it and we try to talk about it Oh being real being truthful because hey life as a human being involves trauma and life as a human being is challenging You will experience pain. It's guaranteed Look at the explosive rise of jordan peterson who is basically really just trying to offer people Practical philosophical and psychological solutions the fact that life is frightening and painful anybody claiming that it isn't Is is either they're either like a 21 year old who's a trusty farion They've got had everything laid out for them. Their mom is probably still fucking ironing their underpants for them They've never been through anything. They've never been anywhere. You know the funniest fucking thing I see now 21 year olds with fucking tattoos from here to here I'm like, what what what the what the you've never done anything. What is this? What did you go? What does this one mean? What is this one? Who did you lose? Nobody fucking idiot. It's it drives me fucking crazy because And people nowadays will go. Oh, that's a real man. He's an alpha. I'm like, what he fucking injected $500 worth of steroids for six months got a really good tattoo artist and that's a man. That's a man Okay, let's let's me and him throw us both in prison and let's see what happens. Let's see who fucking breaks first That's not a man. That's a boy It reminds me I agree and it reminds me of uh, Paul Joseph Watson if you know him a big youtuber He was on twitter recently and I forget the exact tweet. I'm not gonna need to pull it up But it went viral and the tweet was basically we've crossed the point in culture and he has a huge following But he said that we've crossed the point in culture where there are more women under 30 with multiple tattoos than women that know how to cook And I thought that was it's funny, but exactly that's why I went viral But it it's like I think he's actually right in western culture I mean for young women to be the think think they're all badasses and they get tatted up Yeah, we've never seen that before in history that I know of like tattoos until very recently a couple decades ago We're universally for men I mean you're tidying up an organ your skin and women now just get these things left and right Just like the men that are these larping little 21 year olds that have done probably nothing you would have got in Ancient and I'm talking thousands of years ago in in in northern europe the women would have done but they also went to battle Yeah, they fought they fought and they would get their fucking arms and legs chopped off and their skulls caved in and live with All that, you know, we've dug up the corpses of of ancient warriors And these are people walking around with like concussions blind in one eye no teeth on one side So under those circumstances, I'm like, yeah, do whatever you want, but yeah, no, it's posturing It's posture I mean, I don't want to get into my fucking middle age grumpy man's rant about social media's effect on the world But everything now is drifting towards spectacle and it's what you can convince other people you can do Not what you can actually fucking do Which is why nobody's ever walked up to me and looked me in the eye and said you need to man the fuck up bro And they never will they never will Yeah, you're pretty big dude in real life, man. It was uh, it was good meeting you I'm sure I have a big belly and big breasts and I'm happy to rest them on somebody's face if they want to get Fucking cheeky with me Yeah, that's my fighting style steve. I just rest my titties on him The next question I have is you you coach and you teach both men and women on your channel Yeah, I've been that for a long time So how have you seen and what do you believe the differences are for men and women? And how they uh acquire trauma and how they handle it and how they respond to it and how they heal from it Because in my understanding, this is a general manuscript principle Uh men are more responsive to healing from trauma than women are And maybe that's not true, but this is kind of the general thing that women respond Less positively to trauma and they have a harder time healing from it. Some men even say that, you know, women can't heal I don't think that's true but I I do believe that it's as a Feminine creature that they're the female half of the human race that Trauma tends to masculine as in harden This is my understanding for trauma in general and for men this can make them more masculine if they heal from it But for women, it's like you've got to undo it and let it go So is there any any truth to that or anything you've seen with your experiences? That's a fucking good question. I mean, I uh It's such a good question, mate. Um There's a few points that I had not thought before Is there actually research that indicates that women don't respond to trauma as well as men? Is there actually published research on that or? Probably we could look at like someone like Sean Smith would actually be really good at being able to find that Yeah, he he would he would be able to let us know there's definitely a difference There's definitely A difference for me as a coach in the ease of the coaching process. It's easier for me with men than it is with women I mean the man's fear we in the man's fear the general idea And I would agree with it is would be that women are not even conducive to Self-intercepting in the first place not that they can't but they're not prone to it Like you're kind of I think hitting at to self-intercept and realize that they have trauma and then heal from it And even suggesting that women need to heal in public right now is looked down upon Like uh, women are strong and independent and you know, you don't need no man And I mean to me all this a lot of feminist crap is a negative response to trauma that these women have been through That daddy don't love them or daddy was a pussy and didn't teach them how to be a woman or whatever And now they're another another getting banged out on tinder left and right All there all all toxic ideologies. I think An attempt to protect the individual from pain, you know, you go from like something as simple as a fake Cynical guy who's like a doomer like oh fuck it. Everything's shit That's that's that's a that's a wounded soul and in the same way yet I'd say any toxic ideology that's been adopted is there as a shield and as a mask But this issue of women not having the propensity to to self reflect and to heal from trauma Certainly I've found it more challenging. Um, I've had eight years at this So I am but it's taken me eight years to get to a point where I'm like, okay I think I know what to do So maybe even the way because I have a majority female clients Maybe even my Root to healing might be more suited to women now and I have a process and I'll just say look Well, I use the language. I'll say you have to reduce your emotional flashbacks. That's from the cptsd model. What is that? That's me saying we've got to bring you out of your emotional subjective response to what's going on and back to clear thinking about What is really happening? I need you to be present with me If we're going to do a coaching session and you're going to start projecting your ex-boyfriend or your ex-husband on To me and then you can start ranting. That's something to help to reduce the emotional flashbacks Then we develop that emotional literacy so that you have that responsibility and introspection to say How am I really feeling rather than just abandoning how you feel and projecting outward? And then I go into like philosophy developing a moral philosophy So maybe unconsciously I've done that as a solution to the problem that's presented itself to me But yeah, there is a difference. There's definitely difference whether women don't handle trauma as well I don't as a blanket statement. I don't know because I've seen the flip side of that coin where Stuff that has brought a man to his knees. Some girls have just gritted their teeth and got through it Interesting what you said about trauma creating a masculinizing effect That could be animus possession where she's like, well, if nobody's if there's no men here To help me Then I'll guess I'll have to fucking pick up that old shield and that old sword and do it my fucking self So and to get some context it would be like, uh, you know a hardening of the heart So to speak a girl is that a heart broken a couple times it gets harder and harder and harder And this can happen to men too, but I feel like that for men that That can that can be excessive and that can be unhealthy But at least it creates an element of mystery and things for women to claw and try to understand And in reverse, I don't think men men are not prone to doing this or they shouldn't be And it can be leads to white knight syndrome and things like that trying to fix broken women And I don't know of any pathway where that's even remotely healthy for men to do with women Sean Smith, you know talked about that in his book the tattoo about the women And others have as well it is it is interesting though like I this I think these are obviously things I thought about too And I'm still I have not come to my full conclusions But the minister it's a topic too Could we do like, um, could we do a session with Sean on as well and maybe this one issue that you've raised? I don't want to say too much because I need to think I need I need to actually process what what you're saying because there's a lot to unpack there If Sean was here, he'd be able to help us with the with the published research on it and that which would be useful Yeah, and for me it does yeah, I'll go ahead and up and But it does not surprise me also that you've had different experiences at men and women I mean for me in in the man's sphere I don't believe this firmly that we say men and women are different And biologically they're certainly different and we've had a different evolutionary history of choices and the ancestors before us Yeah, so I'd be surprised if they Uh, but some people will say that these feminist psychologists and shit that men and women are just identical and We're all just human bro and blah blah blah. It's like it's funny because it's different well a lot and a lot of the the the Feminist leaning psychologists though They also are usually big fans of young And young was like an essentialist. He said no, you're Fundamentally different. That's where the concept of animus and anima possession comes from is We are fundamentally different in the way in which we view the world and the way in which we process things Um Yeah, I would I'd need to I need to have a think about that But I think I think there's a lot there. I think there's a lot there to unpack and you know This whole thing of the yin the yang the polarities and coming together in the middle and having that balance There's there are this is a hundred percent true in in multiple areas of life There's many things that men can and should learn from women That strengthen you as a man and there's many things that women can and should learn from men that will strengthen you as a woman Which is why we need each other Which is why we need to sort of learn we need to come together and learn from each other You'll be a better man If you can access your yin if you can access your yin state You're just a fuller human being You're a better woman if you can access your yang state as well. So yeah, it's uh, it's interesting. It's it's an interesting question Yeah, and bringing you speaking on that issue. I would see that feminism is fundamentally Like you mentioned like it's toxic You know movement from trauma But I would see it as fundamentally dividing the genders and then putting them at war with each other in this endless Like combat Yes, and uh, you see that in negative I would call it negative gender relations And to me that's what we see in america non-stop and that was hard to really understand even being aware of feminism Until I went to poland and I saw poland and in my opinion they just had very positive gender relations compared to america Men and women get along women act like women and men act like men Even it was it was odd just seeing couples like be so uh happy to get together and friendly and yet Very feminine very masculine just like just a little stuff you'd see that you don't see in america anymore at least in Orlando, which is a major, you know pretty major big american city You just don't see it and if you do see couples, you know, you see couples obviously, but it's not It doesn't feel as healthy like looking at them like you can feel like this this like weird Like both of them have fucked up beliefs in america and they might be in a relationship But it's like not functional and it's not healthy and there's not it's missing a polarity to it And yeah, I and poland they have that Yeah, I I 100 agree and because I think because we all of us here we have traveled we're open to experiencing new cultures and new languages and we can sit and observe because we're all We're all psychologists. We're all philosophers. We all like to think and use our brains and go. Oh, what why are they doing that over there? Okay, you know, we all think about it, right and people who haven't left the bubble of america or the bubble of uk They'll probably just be like no, that's that's not true, but it's a hundred percent true Not everybody's doing it the way that we are I am full conspiracy theorist on this one. I think there's been A long and I'm not the first person to say this. There's been a long term objective To split men and women up to split the nuclear family up and the reason for that is nothing more than consumerism It's nothing more than materialism because if you're not if you're fucking each other and go in the park and hanging out with your kids And hang and meet up with other families and you're sharing food and yet And I don't know you're just playing music or having a nice time That's pulling in a nutshell basically because they don't have the money to do anything else Spain still has elements of that Romania still has elements. We still see that in eastern europe. You see it in the Czech Republic. It's great The individualism the consumerism it's all about taxing people It's all about taking as much money as you can if two people are looking at each other Then they're not looking at the tv if they're looking at each other and loving each other than they're feeling good As a salesman as a marketer I know that we have to have people if you agitate people and you frighten them you're going to make a lot more money That's just the way the game works. Yeah, that's so I think it's a lot of people do they push pain buttons Absolutely pain pain pain. It's a nasty way of doing marketing. It's not the only way of doing it You don't have to but it's the one that works the best So I think what they did and I've never said this publicly before and I'll probably get fucking gruesified for this As they sat there and they said we need split men and women up. How should we do this? Should we propagandize men and women and they said, yeah, well, let's propagandize them and then somebody said, you know You don't need to propagandize men and women. You just need to propagandize the women and turn them against the men Once the men have lost women, they'll be so sad so angry and so frustrated We can tell them whatever the fuck they want and they'll lap it up So all they did was propagandize the women. They didn't need to propagandize us They got inside of their heads. They got to them before we could stop it. I'm now men are slowly they're like, oh Okay, I guess there's something wrong here Why do why are women in the west certainly so fucking hostile to men in such a Boundless rage-filled way because they've been filled with this narrative Men have enslaved you men have raped you Men have exploited you men have tortured you anything that's wrong with your life It's the fucking patriarchy that's done it. That's that's pure. That's conspiracy theory There is no fucking evidence whatsoever. There's this grand scale effort to subjugate women in the west It's not a paranoid delusions of grandeur 100 that's what it is because it's simply not true. It's it was they're conflating Protection with exploitation. Yes. There was abuse. There's always going to be abuse my god 10% of our population are narcissistic psychopaths But that don't blame men Blame narcissistic psychopaths in the same way I'd say to the you know in in in this community If you just blame everybody for the actions of a few narcissistic psychopaths who are behaving in a demonic way Then we'll just go. Oh, well, that's that what's the evidence? All women have a problem. All men have a problem. Let's split. Let's all go our own way great great What's the end result of that going to be populations going to decline? All of the more intelligent people the more active people the more Entrepreneurial people they're going to bow out. They're going to be like, oh, well, there's a problem here and I don't you know, so It's uh, it's not going to lead to a good place. It's a very it's an anti human ideology and I say to feminists You've been duped You've been duped. This was a trick. This was not there to free you It's not a fucking ideology of emancipation and strength. It's not impact It it was never there to emancipate you. It was never there to strengthen you It was there to enslave you to more consumerism and less joy. That's it. That's all it was They want you miserable combative Disagreeable and greedy and may I say I think that largely they've won at this point Yeah, I would agree. It's sad man. I'm actually pulling up an article right now that'll um kind of put this to or is it perfect So pull us up on the screen. So just for those of you watching, uh, you know He mentioned that you know feminism has duped women into you know consumerism and less happiness and less joy than ever And this is true Women today are this is like demonstratively prudently true and like major a huge study is that looked into this This is the guardian. This is like mainstream stuff You know gains and women's rights haven't made women happier. Why is that? That's a really clever or nice way of saying that women today are more miserable and they've been in over 40 years 50 years Since the 1970s. Yeah, they self report I mean, this is this is them when they're asked by by thousands that they study that they're less happy now than they've And they've you know been measuring it for decades. It's fucking nuts Yeah, and they're confused as to why you know women's rights. It's like you didn't get fucking rights You've been destroying culture and rationality and justice and you just dress it up. It's like dog shit. They're just putting glitter on It's like, oh, you're you've systemically biased family court against men and fathers So men are fucking killing themselves You're getting alimony that you didn't earn and then you're fucking buying louis baton handbags with it Trying to like drown your misery in that shit and you wonder why you're fucking miserable It's like you've you've fucked the whole system. Hello But yeah, they've dressed it up. They've done it. They've done a really good job propagandizing it This this ideology it it spills out. Doesn't it? I mean, it's not it's it's a way of looking at the world it's rooted in victimhood And there is no such thing. There's never been a genocide in human history that wasn't rooted in a victimhood narrative there's never been grand scale crimes without a victimhood narrative first And it's poisonous. We've got to be really careful about it. You know, I've I've told you from the start anthony because I wanted you to know I'm a left leaning guy, but I am not What's the difference? The difference is a classical liberal. That's me and a social liberal the difference between the two is huge I believe in equality of opportunity Not equality of outcome equality of outcome is fucking Stalinism equality of outcome is violence and destruction and barbarism and this whole Mentality to me. I think goes hand in glove They go together. They're like we want what you have. Okay, so are you ready to start working the way the people who no just break it Smash it up and give us bits of it. It's like that's That's not how the world works. That's not going to make the world a better place So when I've started talking about this on my channel is saying feminism is a toxic ideology to a predominantly female audience they get really upset, but I'm trying to say no, it's It's not that I want you suppressed or enslaved or any of the of these of these things I want you free, but this isn't freedom. You're in you're in the matrix Yeah What do you say in response to this comment? They're unique 79 Uh, he's paraphrasing kind of what something steve says as steve constantly says There are women who are hostile towards you. Why do you care? Stay away from those women and roll with the ones who will corporate with you Yeah, um, I mean you're gonna You're gonna get hostility from people professionally, I have to work with all kinds of people from all different kinds of backgrounds and You know, I I like manners. I don't like people being rude to me for no reason whatsoever. So that's a reason why I care I mean my my thought on this too like I don't even know if he's quoting steve right on this but The problem I see in america is you know, you what steve does say, you know Just pick a picker. You're gonna fucking live your life with picker picker. You're gonna have in your life Dating is different dating is different to day to day. I I gave up Trying to win over hostile women when I was 33. I remember the night I remember the moment where I was like, I'm never gonna do this again. So that's that's like nine years ago for me Well, my concern with that though is that the population is drifting and this is why feminism has to be abolished But you know feminism keeps infecting more and men and women both But just from this perspective more and more and more women It's like you can't You know, that's not good. You know, you can it's it's getting more and more difficult to find women That are not infected with this bullshit that you can actually have like a relationship with or anything like that And they you know, there's still a component of women in america. I think that are fine But it's like that population is dwindling and the competition for that is getting harsher and harsher and harsher Well, most of those women would be married if they are that Yeah No, and you can feel that did you meet, you know, some of these married chicks that are in like happy marriages or happy relationships And you can immediately I get the sense like this chick is not fucked up. I'm not surprised. She's in a relationship Yeah, she's not part of this toxic, uh, you know wheelhouse of insanity of feminism Yeah Oh, I can I can point to the women in my social circle four or five different people who are not They're not and they are and have been For about seven or eight years, you know happily in marriages and they've got kids and Wow, that sounds like they have internalized patriarchy or something internalized misogyny I don't want to say that that again like a country like poland or romania or spanish places that are more traditional They've had basically they're not as infected with feminism like in poland alone There's like thousands and thousands and thousands of women just walking around that are attractive None of them are fat. They're beautiful a lot of them. I mean, it's amazing the kind of quality woman They have walking around and they don't hate men Uh, just just as a default and that that was it's so it's endlessly fascinating to me because it's so different from america Just walking around. There's the animosities is not there just in a fucking starbucks or whatever Like they're just like women and they like men and they're like, hey great Like you don't you're a man fantastic and you just don't feel that in america anymore. It's fucked up, man It's hard for me as a bret. I mean, I have mainly American audience because I want to talk about america because I work predominant like 80 with americans and Um, my sister lives in america so I go there regularly I want to talk about america and they're like don't talk about america because you're a fucking red coat, which I am Um, but the the extent to which the culture is ideologically infected I would say as if you're an american and you think yeah, the culture is ideologically infected You won't feel it So that's true extent until you go out and then come back Then you'll know it's the same with the uk people in the uk like oh, we're fine. No, you're fucking not We're just as bad as america. We've always followed in america's footsteps and we're really sick Sick physically sick like I look at like the young people I was living in beef the last year from my country bretz. You can see a mile away Ibiza's in spain B. A. S. Spain. It's it's like a party island off spain. I was out living in the countryside doing my writing in that and you compare british to Spanish and italian and they just like you said there's this weird energy between men and women There's a weird energy from the guys from who are all trying to look like Love island, which is our version of jersey shore You know, they're fucking guys with beautiful beautiful eyebrows steve. They've got nice pecs They got the beautiful tattoos gorgeous. They are There's not a man amongst them Not a man, but they're beautiful and with them they're there with these Women girls who are loud aggressive hostile. They're like Speak to you and they go they laugh. They're like Oh, what the fuck? What is that? What the fuck is that that's animus possession and anima possession to the max That generation is having less sex than any other generation according to the research They've stopped fucking why because the men a men and the women are not And i'm not being like this fucking middle-aged rant thing. I know but at that animal level The male lion Once have sex with a lioness He doesn't you know that you've taken all of the polarity out of it and there's no lost there between these kids anymore Richard they don't want to get your opinion if you don't mind on the make woman great again phenomenon So here is your independent newspaper in the uk. I think it's a pretty big paper in the uk Yeah, um, and they put out the nastiest hit piece on us Like there's been a lot of Controversy and outrage from the the concept of make woman great again going viral Yeah, for anyone who's still not aware that it reached like almost 100 million people So far in 2020 it's nuts So in my in my opinion with make woman great again what we're seeing is like this I mean these people call us the serbly misogynistic sexist, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this bullshit Um, and I actually got to challenge one of the reporters when I went with uh pears morgan and that thing You did really well with pears morgan. It was an impressive display. You did very well Thanks, man I still need to do a responsive video to it where I can kind of hash out like what was actually going on And that way there'll be a version on youtube people can watch too because right now there's not But with make woman great again in my my opinion As a completely amateur psychologist, uh, you know with zero education in it other than youtube education from richard granan And others like sean smith and stuff Make woman great again. I think it's triggered A absolute fuck ton beyond words description amount of trauma in women. It didn't cause it, but it's triggered it I mean the outrage we're getting from these women. They're just baffled and shocked and angry and outraged Part of it is because they're they're taught to act like that they're having like a knee-jerk response Like feminism says behave this way when men act in, you know, assertive ways, you know, be fucking Be a crazy screaming harpy on the internet. Yeah, but some of it's very genuine too And so just kind of what what your thoughts are with regards to make women great again feminism and then the outrage outrage trauma will call it is generated which has been Fucking enormous Okay, so I would I would say, uh, it's it's a very very interesting Thing that you've done if we look at this as like an exercise in philosophy and psychology as a thought experiment This is really interesting. Let's look at what hansin's actually said. Let's look at what you've done Now let's turn on his head The group of women get together and they run a seminar called make men great again. It's run by women as it's to train Men in how to be better men and give women what they want Would all those same people are screaming at you who apparently are for equality? Would they scream just as loud if the uh, if the sex was different the biological sex of the organizers and the participants was different Would those same women be screaming just as loud? Because if they wouldn't be then they're intellectually dishonest because they're not for equality They're not for equality. They keep saying we're for equality and equal rights. Okay, so we turn this on its head Why do you go silent? Why are you so angry? Because you know you're full of shit You know that you're living a lie You know that your position has been elevated beyond where it should be and that's why you get so angry with me with Anthony with whoever because If you were confident, you'd be calm. You'd just say well, these people are just crazy. Don't worry about it I'm not gonna waste my energy on it if a five-year-old walks up to me With a squirt gun and says i'm an alien from mars and this is my laser gun I don't run screaming because i'm terrified. I'm gonna be killed. I just go. Oh, that's cute. That's all right I'm just gonna continue my conversation So the the what I will say is I my feeling is it's not my feeling. I fucking know this is true The extent to which there's an emotional outrage is directly proportional to the extent that people know that they're full of shit What we have now is nowhere near equality. We have a huge Dripping double standards. There's this elephant in the room. It's in cinema now. It's in books It's in culture. It's in the workplace. It's everywhere And it's a huge double standard if this was an event organized by women for men those same women Not only would they not attack it. They'd applaud it because that's what fucking hypocrites. They are Yeah, absolutely, man hit the nail on the fucking head Yeah, with cinema you mentioned some example I mean you mentioned that too that emily brought to mind james bond. They're trying to replace james bond Your british devil, you know secret agent That hurts me like that. That hurts my soul. Not james. Leave james alone, right? Leave james Thankfully, it looks like he'll survive the feminist apocalypse just barely the director or the whoever has the rights to it They said no Which I which is amazing right now because every other every other fucking movie ghost busters to you know, whatever the fuck They just like keep killing kill off all the men uh in terms of you know characters And now it's all women, you know replace all the men with all the women And everything's equal and the female supremacy is not a thing like do as you're told like everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine That's yeah, it's like a dripping you this dripping double standard. That's what it's like It's a reliant weird insane shit. Yeah. Yeah, men and you know, yeah, generally They already did give way on james bond a little bit if you watch the movies and the progression I was so Daniel craig came in because he's he's from where i'm from He's from a town of the road from me daniel craig and I was like, ah, it's one of the boys That seemed to do well And he had he was much colder as james bond. He was crueler. He's more of a psycho. I was like i'm into this man He's not the smooth like hey much money, but he's like i'm gonna kill you I liked it and then He stopped having sex He's slavoj zizek was the first guy I ever heard pointing this out at the end of the movies He'll cuddle the women their trauma victims. They went through this horror together and they're like And you're just saying okay, and so people will be like hey, you're the psychology guy You should like that and i'm like no wait. This isn't counseling. It's fucking james bond It's just he's just skied across like You know trucks firing double ak-47s killing all the henchmen, which is what we want to see And now that's taken he can't have sex. He's muted now He doesn't actually finish the movie. He doesn't go, you know, it's not there And if he does they have to say things like Eva green says, uh, you're a throwback to another time and misogynist And i'm like, what the fuck is this language doing in my film? What are you doing to my film stop? There's no sense So usually they want and james bond when they want to destroy a series There's like an escalation and I think that's what you're referring to So I agree with you on that james bond has been in the daniel craig era Has been neutered and you know coddled and all this like feminized crap But the end goal I think culturally was to replace him with a woman And that's right that seems to be where they're finally drawing a line, but just barely He was I guess he was such a masculine character with so much history as a man That the feminists failed at that attempt to take over james bond. Thank god Yeah, I mean they had but they still they were still affected by neutering him and demasculinizing him and all this weird crap And making him less competent by the way and not the last one but the one before I can't remember the name I I really hate them now. I absolutely hate them. They made him a drunk He couldn't shoot straight anymore. He couldn't run anymore. He was depressed and I'm like Okay Do you remember the dave chappelle conspiracy theory? They want to put black men in dresses I think there's a broad-scale conspiracy theory that's all men put all men in a dress Uh, if they're strong break them if they used to be strong Make them look stupid make them look weak. It's just it's a It's a general move towards demasculinization that we're a hundred percent saying a hundred percent So, yeah, they already same thing in reverse the defeminization of women It's all this and I was talking yesterday on a show and I was bringing up the uh iron ran novice and philosopher would talk about the philosophy of zero the philosophy of zero And she would say this is what collectivists did and socialists and communists and should I didn't see that with feminists. They want to zero everything out. They want zero masculinity They want zero femininity. They want zero polarity. It's zero. It's the philosophy of death is what I'm right called it Zero like death is you're dead. You're dead. No existence. Yeah, zero zero zero zero and like james bond Zero masculinity. Yeah to the point that they wanted to kill him off as a man make them a woman Yeah, it's it's it's I think there's a strong argument say that this is evidence of cultural Marxism There's actually a it's it's a communist ideal. It's nothing can ever be vertical make it all horizontal And I just think that's a disgusting idea bearing in mind. I'm I'm left. I'm I'm what you guys would call a democrat I'm labor in this country, but that horrifies me that fucking horrifies me I wouldn't want to stay with that too, uh Fuck I had a little zinger. I wanted to throw at you for that. Oh, yeah It just what you're talking about reminds me of the saying that you that little you just kind of riff this off It's fantastic though your interview with george bruno You uh, we ended up titling at that too and you said love is the enemy of the agenda Yes, and I really and it actually reminds me of feminism feminism Is this my my favorite punching bag? I think it's such a toxic piece of shit movement But love is the enemy of feminism and with feminism, you know for whether they're attacking men or their You know the brainwashing women. Yeah, it's like they hate love the hate family They hate romantic love. They hate positive relationships all this shit. Yes, and it's a conspiracy. I mean, I know I have to be careful because I put people off when I start talking about broad scale conspiracies So like, okay, there's a little bit wack job now, but look, uh, george orwell wrote 1984 in 1948 Everybody knows 1984 the book you've all seen the film. I'm sure if you haven't you should read the book and watch the movie A lot of there's a lot of quotes that get pulled out of that book in that movie There's a quote that's very rarely pulled out Which is when o brian the main evil guy in the story is torturing winston the protagonist What winston's crime that gets him locked up and tortured. It's called a sex crime. What did he do? He committed the crime of seeing a girl that he found attractive talking to her They spoke to each other and they experienced lost and then they left and had sex That was their crime. This is written in 1948 For that crime they whisked out tortured They're tortured and then executed they're tortured and executed for what for showing love for showing lost and for having sex I'm wanting to be together O brian says to winston We will destroy the orgasm the whole point of our political movement The political movement in the story is called engsock engsock it stands for the english socialist party And it's this extreme version of harsh socialism where big brother says we're going to destroy the orgasm We're going to destroy love you want a vision of what we're about We're a human boot We're a boot stamping on a human face forever Zero exactly what ansi's been talking about just destroy everything destroy lost destroy intellectual curiosity Destroy passion anything you want to do anything that makes you human will kill it But he actually says we'll destroy the orgasm to the point where it will be people won't even want to do it anymore He said in order to keep the population going once a year We will force men and women to come together to perform their conjugal duties and we'll make sure that they hate it We'll make it as short as gray and dull and miserable as possible And we'll make sure that they hate it and at that point what will people have Only the party meaning using slightly ancient English language. He said all people will have is government All they will look to is governmental governmental control And to have big brother big daddy big mommy take over and isn't that what these feminists want? Isn't it what all the socialists want? They're perverts. They're masochists. They're like, oh step on my face daddy And every time there's a problem. They never want to fix it themselves. They want a tattletale They're all a bunch of fucking telltale cowards. They want somebody to fix it for them And what does that involve? De-platform them shut them up ban them whatever happens. Don't let them speak They never want to fight themselves. No because they're fucking cowards. They want somebody else to fix it for them I started to sweat there. I was ranting that Now we've had we've had a ton of that with uh 22 convention people for years We're curious as to why 21 convention for men never got the pushback that you think it would get And I have some theories on that but the end of the day It just never really got it on its own even the patriarch edition didn't get that which you would think I mean, I kind of figured that they would you know feminists would get outraged and they didn't really fucking care Yeah, but 22 convention the minute we started we had men like steve and me and these other guys Now we announced we're going to talk to women the world has been you know on fire How dare we fucking talk to this woman? Yeah, yes, it's just it's just fucking bullshit Yeah, I think it's because it's like you said though the women I think your theory is correct of that what you're talking about earlier that They went out rather than go after both men and women which would be difficult and time consuming and ineffective They focused in on one sex the fairer sex And they've been brainwashing and propagandizing and weaponizing them for over 100 years or more And it's really getting fucking out of control and it's it's in my opinion It's nation threatening and civilization threatening it is civilization threatening I remember when you first said that to me a couple of years ago And I was like god this guy is even more fucking paranoid than I am when it comes to conspiracy theories and that's a rare thing But now I'm talking to you and talking to the guys around you over the years. I've I've I've realized actually no this is This is real. This is this is a this is a real problem. This is a real problem You know, not only am I left leaning I studied post modernism I studied feminism at university and I would just say this What we're talking about when we're talking about feminism Like you can look at certain tracks of academic feminism. This has nothing to do with that These people are not academics. They're not intellectuals. They're not interested in truth They're not interested in analyzing the nuance of the meaning of it. They just want their own way. They're barbarians Yeah, good way to put it Yeah, you bring it to mind the years ago You started talking to me that you were surprised at how hard, you know aggressive I was in hardcore by these concepts and I believe that strongly Yeah, even for years before that before I even got more oppositional to feminism who started in 2017 actually I got more bold and more open about that I looked for years of guys like steve the dean here and our other coaches for men Just in terms of dating or relationship advice and making them more masculine making men better men I see that I see that I saw that then I see that now is saving the west is saving america Yeah, if we don't have feminine women and masculine men, we're all fucked Like the america does not have a future with feminine weak men these pussies And he's masculine, you know tatted up harpy women that are screaming about the patriarchy That hasn't existed for 80 to 100 years It's like where does this lead? It leads to fucking death, man It leads to collapse of the country like the soviet like the soviet union You know people forget the soviet union fucking collapsed. This was a major superpower That nobody's been there lately because it's fucking gone. That shit does not exist anymore. It has the remnants. I've broke up But that's it, man I don't want my country to die. I don't want a candidate to blow up. I don't want the uk to fall apart Yeah, I want these countries to do well and to do that you need You need a lot of things and one of them is make them and great again But you also need the coaches like steve and these guys in you talking to men directly and making them more masculine Whether that's men young men old men fathers like all these things There is there is an interesting part of that. Um, I wonder what you think of this I've been I asked a couple of times like how people have said to me How do I be more masculine? And I've sort of approached it not from anything that you need to add on But maybe just to reduce the editing and I think I've nicked that from patrice o'neill because he would say What we as men I didn't really understand it the first time I heard it. I do now We we we edit ourselves So just don't do that. Just don't turn the body. There's nothing really you need to add You're you're a man. Just reeds in your pants and you know, it's a fucking fact of life Whether that affects people your balls, right? I mean, it's like you already are that thing So you it's like a lion saying to me. Oh, how do I lion? I'm like, well, just do you and you should be okay It's the editing. It's the propaganda that really needs to be Exorcised from from the mind, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I group this largely. I do think that men need to help other men and lead To be men I mean in essence, this is father a father, you know, teaching his young boy to be to become a man But that's been eradicated in culture So I think the mana sphere is a really positive development. It's the it's people say it's the same thing as feminism But for men and it's not no feminism is a very negative thing for women and men The mana sphere is a very positive thing for men and now women too And I think that's another reason they hate it so much and they're learning to hate it They feel threatened by it because it's a real threat to feminism I think that's actually what make them a great again did is it put the mana sphere on the map now For being a legitimate cultural threat to the feminist establishment Whereas before it didn't you know men's rights guys and the migtail and all these things like It was never enough to get on the radar is like a real threat. Like holy shit. This is real I think that's why these these whether it's susanna reed and piers morgan or the the chicks on that show The real or the viewer or whatever Like they're freaking out because they see this and they're like, holy shit. That's a great idea That could actually like flip feminism on its fucking head and make it go away Which is what I want to do Okay, but but but but clarify like there's nothing to be afraid of you're not saying you want to stick women in burkas and exploit an enslave, right? You want to be happy, right? If a girl wants that one-on-one like this fun, you know No, in general. No, of course not. I won't I believe very strongly in personal freedom and individual rights and the declaration of independence Right. I want a positive healthy masculine rational future for all western nations. I think it's a very good thing I even say masculine but to me masculinity is very inclusive I'm just like a father who loves his wife and his daughters is a is a is a an amazing strong man It's like steve here steve has like who knows how many daughters like half a dozen or something But I really mean that and we don't need to get the whole features masculine thing necessarily But yeah, it's a very positive thing and I want the best for men and women And I think pollin is a is a specific good example of that now. It's not perfect But it's pretty good But yeah, men and women get along men are masculine They like you mentioned they're tapping into their biology to their physical nature And then expressing that in behavior and And psychology and women too women need to embrace. I said last night. I was like I just actually got back from hanging out this check I was just tweeting and I'm like men should it's strive to be Not just as masculine as they can be but as masculine as they can be over a lifetime Self-improvement forever and women should do the same thing You should generally not not literally every woman on the planet But the vast majority of them should strive to be the best woman that can be They should be as feminine as they can and then pursue that over a lifetime endless improvement There's always room to improve and yeah, so totally. It's a great. I don't I don't want fucking They these feminists they say I'm like, uh, I look like the guy from handmaiden's tale or some shit Or they have women and like burkas and shit and yeah, it's crazy. It's exactly so to you It's like it's part of your it's part of the The American Americanism that you hold would be you want an independent american goal You want women to be independent free strong and able to just get on with whatever they want to do, right? Uh I'm It's tricky because I know I know you mean well when you say these things my concern with the strength and independence is like Oh, I might be using I might be using a feminist feminist language I mean as a psychologist So if you're independent, then you have your personal sovereignty You don't have the emotional dysregulation You don't have the trauma and if you're strong you have personal agency That means that you can live authentically. Yes, whatever you want. I know that i'm on board with that everything you just said 100 These buzzwords they get hijacked. That's what they do man. They prefer the meaning of language Like for example, let me put it to your audience and anyone who sees this later if you're a woman watching this I think female legitimate genuine female strength for example is pursuing femininity Being feminine and it can even mean having the courage to be submissive for a man that you love and that you respect Uh submission is scary for women. It has risks that are biological and serious Like getting pregnant which you can then fucking die or starve to death And you're weak and vulnerable for nine months as well as after as well as when you're nursing it's like Yeah, so the the feminist strength the feminist crap that they promote the strength, you know strong independent women That's a bunch of nonsense. Yeah, like it actually takes courage for you to be feminine and to be a woman And to choose to be submissive to a man that you admire and respect and all that And it's it's actually very weak of them to dismiss all this And then and then basically they're projecting so when women say I think women are projecting the psychological projection 101 When they say they're strong independent women They're not at all not in that not in the sense they say and not even in a genuine sense They're actually very weak and codependent to the point that they're on instagram Uh projecting what they want and they can't even admit it They want a strong independent man who's masculine and tough And they can't even admit that to themselves that they want to be held and that they're fucking scared or something There is there is a layer to this that I've seen that that I found Uh disturbing two years ago. I went back to Malaysia, which is a majority Muslim country And there's an old training partner of mine from like 10 years ago We've been we've been training partners in the gym and she told me uh on the day before I left She's 29 And she was saying, you know, I want I want to tell you something I'm really embarrassed about and I said I said what she said don't laugh at me I don't want she said I don't I don't what my mom and mom teaches feminism. She says I don't want to run my own business I said, well fucking don't then she said I don't I don't want to go out there and be a career woman I said fucking don't then said all I want to do is I want to have kids I want to get married and I want three kids and then I just want to be a mom And I'm like, what the fuck are we talking about do that then and she's like, I can't I can't do it It's not just that her mom is teaching feminism. It's that in a majority Muslim country now like Malaysia That is the new sin. It's not a sin now to not have kids and stay at home and be a good wife It's a sin to not go out run your own business Uh make loads of money. Do you know she and she doesn't feel like she just has to go out and work She feels that it's a pressure to go out and be rich And she's like, I don't know how I'm going to get the time to do that and raise three kids And I was like, I can tell you straight off the bat. You won't you've got to You can't you can't talking about the wood is virtually impossible have having at all It's like, do you know how fucking hard that is like it's nuts as a woman So that little piece of ideology and I realized that we're running out of time is is is something that I just really want to highlight There's so dangerous and so poisonous We don't all get to live forever. Sorry for apart from what the fucking advertising says we're all gonna die And we do not get to have it all we never have we never will we're finite beings And that's what makes life on earth precious. We don't get to have it all we have to choose It's advertising man. It's tv. Good tv is fucked with people's minds. It's propaganda, but we definitely don't get to have it all Hey, can you guys see me right now? Yes, sir. Okay. I can't see shit, but I guess you guys can see me. That's good That's odd and my computer's like fucked up. I'll keep going see if I could fix it Um, so yeah, anyway, rich that really hits the nail on the head for what I was getting at That like you mentioned this chick that wants a what would be considered a traditional life or whatever, right? She wants to have children. She wants to have a family. She wants to pursue that I call that motherhood first like America first. I'll make that's motherhood first Yeah, and that's actually that's actually very rational. I think that's actually biologically sound to do that Bear in mind. She's only ever told me She's only ever told a non-muslim foreigner to the country and it's this big secret. She's like I want to I want to have kids and I'm like, what the fuck just go do it and she's like, I can't it's just I call that the the feminist bullying, you know the susanna reed for example And pierce morgan was shocked that I was saying that feminists are bullies. She's like, I'm a feminist I don't bully anybody. It's like, yo like girls who want children are afraid to even talk about that in public Because they feel like shit. Yeah, you have poisoned them and propagandized them So I actually think let me put this to to to point the the case in pointer The strong women today that are genuinely strong have the strength to stand against that this feminist bullshit And pursue what they really want deeper in their heart Which in many in most cases or many cases or whatever they want to have children They want to settle down. They want to pursue a family first And then maybe later in life they go out at 43 or something And they pursue higher education and they pursue a career or they start a business which You know fine that makes a complete sense, but don't throw away your fucking eggs and your fertile years and your health Getting banged out on tinder drinking like a fish and just you know ruining your fucking life And then getting into a bunch of debt and shit for student loans and all that stupid man Super stupid, but yeah, the strong women today are the ones who are rebels And the rebels today are the ones who pursue what would be considered traditional femininity usually They're the so what you're saying is they're the ones who've kind of just said fuck you to the propaganda. Fuck you to that culture Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I does take strength to to stand out against against propaganda And so not go with the whole tribe the whole group the whole tribe the whole group is going over there and you're going Nah, I'm not doing that. I want that Strong women don't hate men. They love men and women today in america and can and canada in the uk They don't love men. They're taught to hate men and distrust men and distrust masculinity, which is That to me means they're psychologically weak. They were not strong enough to withstand For whatever reason lack of upbringing or their own personal choices or whatever They lack the strength to stand against that crap I've been you know, men are responsible for this too, right? You know men and these these beta pussies They lack that strength too and they're weak and they go with the flow and they do the new male smile and all that fucking weird shit That's gross, man. That's not yeah, so all that strength and that's why you mentioned that i'm like, well Yeah, that is a good aspect of independence. Let's just clear up what we mean Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, no, I believe firmly though and you know, I mean for everyone psychological strength But you know what that looks like and it's it's a hijacked word. They're a lying crap They hijacked it and then slanted slanted it basically Uh, so let me get into this so Uh, we do you know, you know, whether it's me or steve or we have a bunch of other guys come on the show Donovan all these guys, you know a lot of red men group is personal advice for guys How to be a man how to be a better man how to be more masculine how to be red pillow wear So What are the benefits for the guys who watch the show regularly where we usually focus on these kind of advice topics? What are the benefits of healing from childhood trauma or even relationship trauma? They had a bpd check a gax girlfriend or two or whatever What are the benefits of healing for trauma from that trauma for men? Like why should they do that rather than just you know, go study red pill or read this book or do that Like what are the benefits to them for their life? I think if you Um say if you have unresolved trauma, you're carrying a lot of cbt st And then you just throw yourself into pua or uh mig tau or red pill It's going to be really really difficult To live authentically these things might become like a um a fetish that you use to To protect yourself with to keep reality at bay with when you've resolved these issues Uh, well, I mean I've got recent experience of it. I know Anthony you have like your whole perception cleans up When your emotions that your your emotional flashbacks are reduced you see things clearly You can connect with other human beings clearly You're not as weird and eccentric in your interactions. I mean, I know for years I've struggled interacting with people because I was sending out Weird signals to them that just made them feel like I was a nice guy But a bit of a fucking screwball and it wasn't what I wanted when I reduced the emotional flashbacks. All of that stopped So you're definitely far stronger Um, you're more you you're more authentically you if you're Healed from these emotional flashbacks in these childhood traumas Yeah Well on that note from healing, uh, what kind of course do you have coming out richard grandin? That deals with these things such as female psychopaths from surviving to thriving Of course coming soon. Of course is coming soon. Um, yeah, well everything is shot. All the material is is there It's uh, it's it's just waiting for me to get it set up Um, and it will be available from female psychopaths.com And what we'll be showing you how to do is how to recover Uh, specifically from these kinds of childhood trauma to how to emotionally re-regulate yourself how to be masculine in a way that isn't weird or posturing or trying to fake this, you know Weird way of being in the world and hopefully it'll just make guys feel more comfortable with themselves and It comes from the perspective that we've been talking about here, which is that we believe in People coming together. We believe in love. We believe in people connecting and attaching safely And uh, men and women being together so yeah, we'll be releasing that Hopefully in the next couple of weeks, but it will be available from female psychopath.com Fuck yeah Yeah, and so to full disclosure too, we actually filmed this for richard in poland The main bulk of the workshop. I think if you have a few additional videos, you're adding on to it Yes, and things like that. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's things that I just wanted to To flesh out what was covered in the poland workshop. So So the guys have some real concrete stuff that they can walk away with and apply Um And it's it's it's from my perspective. It's from the perspective of somebody who's looking at this situation from uh, uh child to trauma cptsd resolving that and I hope therefore Rather than learning a bunch of quick techniques that you'll get like you'll use and then they'll drop off It'll actually just change your way of being in the world at a more profound level So that the techniques will be secondary like there's no you just you just be you you be authentic You be in the moment you're comfortable with yourself and then you'll know what to do and what to say Fuck yeah, look over to man. I think the man is fear has never seen a course Or idea like that hashed out at that extent And the name is obviously a playoff of something I did years ago, you know surviving a female psychopath or how to survive But there's a difference between surviving and thriving. Yes, it's female psychopaths, uh, you know from surviving to thriving Yeah, that's a big that's a big thing And I think a lot of guys come to the man is fear. It's one of the main ways They find a man is fear they went through a traumatic relationship or they had a shitty upbringing And they're a mama's boy or whatever and they want they want to they've woken up Something has triggered them to like search for information and wake the fuck up Become more of a man undo this brainwashing them to prevent from feminism and stuff Or there's a traumatic relationship like or a combination of the two And this is probably combination of the two. Yeah This is this is a this is a fundamentally masculine solution if you look at the yin yang spectrum Thriving is at the yang end of the spectrum a lot of the guys, especially some of the attendees that I saw in poland They are traumatized and they're kind of hidden. So yin is in shadow and tiding We want you yang we want you out proud visible talk into people connecting with people You're still going to make mistakes. You're still going to be goofy and awkward sometimes But it's not the end of the world There's a level of robust confidence that I would like to try and instill in people with discourse Fuck yeah Yeah, man. I love having on the show man. It's been great. I think you've been written and welcome on anytime. Thank you, sir It's been a real pleasure Yep Well, we'll start winding up guys If you want to reach out to learn about where richard granon you can go to female psychopath.com and you'll see the course there pretty soon And also his website is linked in the description of this video or not his website is youtube channel That's uh blown up. Go subscribe. Help them subscribe. Share the channel. He's gonna hit 200k real soon Uh guys closing remarks steve rich anything you guys want to close out before we uh wrap up today's show I appreciate both your time today guys 100% uh just that um To make sure that the what people walk away from with this is you know, because we're talking about some heavy stuff here is Set the intent inside of your head of what you want like Do you want love in your life? Do you want to thrive? Do you want to be a healthy happy human being who's living a full life? Or do you want this weird half life full of rage and anger and sadness, you know Set your mind to that if you want to be healed If you want to be out there thriving you want to be living a good life You've got to have that in your mind You've got to set your intent to be like I want to be healed. I want to be happy I want to be experiencing love and connections with other people. So make sure you set your intent Fuck yeah Yeah, and I just want to say that this is this great man. Uh, hey like I just I he didn't pay me for this but I can't speak highly enough about that man Richard. He's he's cool, man He's he ain't got with him in person. You'll see he's just laid the fuck back man. He's He's laid back cool Chill put it inside the pillow. So guys. He's a real motherfucker. Excuse me. He's real. I like to do man Thank you, Steve. Anthony picks him right Anthony The best the best any positions him for you guys to listen to Soak up the information man. This was this was awesome, man. Very great job I can care with steve's steve's steve's assessment. He's a real awesome motherfucker. So a hundred percent And now Richard Richard has been uh, I mean all the speakers have been influential influential in my life From steve to, you know, socrates and literally on and on down the line You know, there's there's a hundred and something guys at this point Richard Grandin has in particular been a very a very big help personally to me Healing for my own trauma in my life not just the medusa crap, but even long before that And that's been it's been huge. It's been uh life changing for me. I mean, I say that literally and sincerely Not just like changed my life changed the world like really changed how I think about the world and view Myself as a man to view masculinity understand trauma relationships all this stuff And it's fascinating. I mean, it's it's really male-female relationships in particular the cornerstone About this entire convention started, you know, young men getting together to learn about women and how to interact with them And seeing that evolve now to things like fatherhood and make them a great again And then the trauma elements and healing is this it's fucking awesome. It's badass. I love it It's uh, it's loving my life and these guys are a huge part of that and making that happen making that blow Thank you, sir Yeah, all right guys, we're gonna wrap up tune in next week 11 a.m Uh, that'll be episode 98 of the red man group and make sure you tune in every monday for steve's show at 8 p.m Uh, the red pill mindset And we might even bring back the red line at some point on friday nights So peace out guys appreciate you tuning in and uh, tuning a lap to the show Hit the like button and the share button to help the show and drop a comment anything helps YouTube likes the activity to make it go viral and stuff peace