 Felly oed dugon weith Understanding this series that the 1878 Fnbyeg podcast is sponsored by the Green King Sport where football is more than a game. The Green King Sport venues are showing every single televised event and trickeries over the 23-24 season. More than 900 sport clubs across the UK it doesn't matter whether you're based in Liverpool or London you can watch every single minute of the action. Rydw i'r ffordd i'r pwysig i'r ffyrdd, oedd, ffyrdd, o'r ddod i'r ffordd i'r ffordd i'r gwybod. Rydw i'r ffordd i'r unig o'r gwneud eich wgledig, felly i chi gyd-dysgu'r ffyrdd i chi'n meddwl i'r ymgyrch, nid o fo bryd i'r ffordd i'u newid a'r drwydd gweithio'r cymdeithasol i'r ffordd i'r ymgyrch. Hydiwyddi'n gwybod i'r 1878 FM podcast, episode 20, the first one of 2024. Rhafn i'r year David Vitty. Rhafn i'r year Baz, a rhafn i'r year Ped, rhafn i'r year Ned, rhafn i'r year to everybody. Cymru wedi'u'n gwneud, rhafn i'r new year a'r new world. Ie, yn y new year's day, rwy'n meddwl i'r bike ride. Mae'r ymgyrch ar y ddechrau yma, ond rhaf yn y new year. Rwy'n meddwl i'r hyn o'r hoffi'r eu hunai i dda'r bike. Rhafn i'n mynd i'n mynd i'w gwybod. I think it's good that I did it last new years as well. I think it's a good thing I very nearly didn't. But I thought I'm going to get out, I felt fine and if it's a little lethargic. And got out and got some fresh air and came back and felt much better for it. But no, you're right I think it's one of those things whereby I think mentally it's good to kick off on a good footing. And I came back and I thought, yeah, oh good decent start. That's what it's all about. inside in your heart including with the joids and all those joids that you like to see you're all about you know. Did you have a nice Christmas you too? Yeah, source of. the lovely Christmas. Thank you, David. The photo was crap, but hey Oh, that's that's What he put everything else was very nice. Thank you. Did you? I had a very nice Christmas. Thank you. I know that I didn't go into it with all the joys but actually I had a very nice Christmas with family and Diolch yn fawr! Nid oed a chyfnod o'r iawn a'r pwgyrch yn gwneudó'r hyn wedi'i gwaith fel Llywodraethon, eu bethau'n ei sianol i ddweud. Mae'r ddaf yn ymgyrch yn dweud. Mae'l y straf non ni fel ein ddweud. Daf, mae'n fwrdd yn ddim i'n gydad gwychwn o'r pen느�tyd ac felly, yna'ch blaen angen i'r inghyn o'r pryd o'r ffgaredd newydd ar gennym. Mae'n ddweud mewn niad am y Llywodraedd deunydd, Cymulliad mewn ffordd Brun, Iw'r cyffredin yn yw'r llyfr yng Nghymru yn rhan i gyflon i'r lyfr yng Nghymru. Mae gwni'r ffwrdd wedi'u gwneud dod i'r llyfr yng nghymru mae'r cyffredin yn gwybod. Mae ddefnyddio yn hynny'n hynny o'r gweithio'r ffordd ddwymiadid bach. Mae'n ddydd i'r bobl sy'n ei ddefnyddio'r holl yn y gynhymru. Mae hwn i'r bobl yng Nghymru, ac mae'n gwleidio ar Soundattawn. fi ystyried mai'r cyfrân. Nawr ydych chi'n gwneud ar arferio. Yn y pethen, myfyd gan galch ar y dyfodol ac mae hynny'n gwneud dros'n ei wneud. Ac mae chi'n amddangos, rwyf wedi'n gweithio'naint ac mae'r rhan iawn, yr eraill. Rwyf wedi gweld, rwyf wedi hi ddim ni'n gwneud o ran ymddangos i'r pethau yw'r pethafur flyny a dyfodd, rwyf wedi'n gwneud o wneud a chのはnwch i chi arferio, ond erbyd ei wneud i chi arferio, ac rwy'n ffrwng i'r gweithio ychydig teimlo sy'n gwybod hynny yn cael ei sydd yn llai'r rhywun o'r hyffordd o'r cyflogau, am ydych chi'n gweithio'r cyflogau a'r gwaith eich paragau a ddigonol, ond rydych chi'n gweithio yw'r rhywun hynny. Rwy'n fawr i chi'n gweithio'r gyllidech chi'n gweithio ein drydd, mae'r gweithio'r cyflogau a'r cyflogau Aelodau, twfo'r gallwn yn fosbydd, yn nhun hwn, da wedi bod yw hynny'n mynd i'r llain, dwi'n bywch chi'n mynd i gael gweithio a'u gweld yn gynnydd, ac mae'n gweithio. Ond y cyfraffydd wedi'i hoffa ar gwrdd gyrfyrdd. Mae hyn yn bwaith yn aelwy ymglwysig ar 90 oes mae'r bod yr aelwy yn rai'r ddaf iawn. Mae'r bwrdd yn cael yardd, produceid ei fod. Befnid yr awddach yn gweithio, yn ni gyd, fod yn cael dda. A mae wir wedi gasfer yn gweithio. Ond rydyn ni ddigwydd yn gallu gweld ffordd a fynd i ddweud. Ond rydyn ni ddigwydd yn ddigwydd i chi'n mynd i ddweud i'ch gweithio. Rydyn ni'n ysgrifennu i'w gweld y cyffredin o'r bwysig, a'r gwaith ydych chi'n gweithio. Rydyn ni'n gweithio i'r dyfyniad, a'r hyn yn ddweud i'r ddeithas, ac mae'r ddweud i ddweud i'ch ddweud i ddweud i ddweud i ddweud, ac mae'r ddweud i ddweud i ddweud i ddweud, getting in, and we have moved on. Obviously, there's a lot to pick out of last night's game. We're recording this on Friday, depending on what time you're watching this, this is the morning after the night before at Sellhouse Park. I thought it was pretty even, to be honest, with you, and all things considered, I'm pleased to take a replay and still be in the hat, Maen nhw'n dweud y gallu i ddweud y cwm rhaid yn siaradau, ond rydyn ni'n gwneud yn ei gweithio'n gweithio. Rydyn ni'n ddweud yn gwneud yn ei gweithio, ond ond rwy'n cael y ffordd yn y cwm. Mae'n dweud yn y ffordd yn y cwm drosio'n gweithio, ond mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Rydyn ni'n ddweud y cwm yn fideud, ac rydyn ni yw'n ddweud y cael I wneud hynny'n ddweud. ydy'r grannu lle hwnnw yn gweld roedd y byddai nhw'n cael ei wael gwybod yn y dderbyn yn y awd i'r gwepai. Yw'r lle, ond mae'r byw yn gyddy, mae'n fawr'r gweithiau yn ddatblygu'r ddangos cyddiol. A mae'n ymwcle i ddim yn ymddangos. Mae'n cael ei ddim yn eu dweud o'n cyflos. Mae'n gweld yr ymddangos, mae'n gweld i'r ddangos cyddiol â'r gweinwys. Mae'n gweithio Corner, yna ar gyfer allan werthiau, sy'n mewn gw weld ar gyfer hynny, Rwy'n mynd i'n dweud o'r gweithio yn ddefnyddio ystod, ac mae'n holl i'r gweithio, yn y gweithio'r gweithio ystod, a'r hynny'n mynd i'ch gweithio gyda'r gweithio, ac yndrwy'n mynd i'ch gweithio'r gweithio eu bod yn ymgyrchau i'w mewn'r ysgrifennu, a'r ers arall, mae'n cael ei gweithio'r gweithio'n gweithio ystod, byddai'n hytydd o'r gweithio'r gweithio'n gweithio, byddai'n gweithio'r gweithio, ac nid o'n f구�wyddo'n hy Scarmag unны yn dod unrhyw meddwl increased mewn teimlo. MaiALL cyberdra Winddon yn gollwch, ond rwy'n mynd, pan snid i chi am gwyn hanclwch yn fillanhaeth iddyn ei ch gazo ddiwrnodd, yn fyw cast ar hunain c banned i hynny uch频 Hyllid dderem Fawr Publiadra matech. rydyn ni'n gweld i amlwg, rydyn ni'n gweld i gael, ac mae'n gweld i'r rhubos. Felly, mae'n rhan o'i ddweud i dda. Felly, fy mwyaf y 26e, mae'n meddwl am ddau'r gweithio ar y cyfrifn. Mwneud y gallwch i'n gwneud i ddweud i ddweud i gael, a'n gweithio a'n ddweud i fine. Mae'n gwneud i ddweud i ddweud i gael, mae'n neud i ddweud i ddweud i ddweud. Alwedd i weld yn meddwl â ymddangos angen. Fydd ydych chi eisiau. Os wneud ymddangos gweld,gymorth yn rhywbeth yn ei wneud yn fwyaf ymddangos gan bydd ymddangos wedi'u deimlo. Mae'r perfform yn gan defnydd. Rwy'n meddwl am yr ystod, yn iconiau chi, yn amlunio Metodol i ddau a'i amdwn i gweld ymwneud fel mae'r bydd yn cyfreiddol yn golygu i allu i brifyho ar ddangos y proddau. Mae'n dwy'n meddwl i ddweithio'r byd. Ond yn gael y gallwn gŵr o'r cwylio'n tyfnol i'n cyfnodd. Rwy'n gŵr ydw i'n gwneud i eu lleidio'n gyda'u sliff. Rwy'n gŵr i'n gŵr i'n gwneud i'n gwneud i ddweud o'r Lads, a'r gofyn ni'n gofyn yn gŵr i'n gwneud i gŵr i'n gwneud. A'r gŵr i'n gŵr i'n gwneud i gŵr i'n gwneud i'n gwneud i gŵr i'n gwneud i gŵr i'n gwneud, ac angen i ddim yn oled, dwi'n gallu bod bod yn ymweld. Dwi'n erbyn bod ymarfer, dyna'r cwestiynau hiwn sgwrd a'r gwaith. Ac o adlwedd yn bwyd, mae'n mynd i'n meddwl yr ysgrifennid y gwahor, rydyn ni'n torni a'n f易 bydd yn ymddangos i rydym ni'n gweithio. Mae ges i'r rhain o gwahor hwnnw, ac mae'n agor ar gyfer hynny, ergynnu'n ddechrau ar gyfer mcynwyr, ac mae'n hemag yn mynd yw. A pob yma sy'n gwaith ymlaen nhw, Siarad ohu'n angen i ddiolch i'n boblm ac i wneud am y sabb. Fe ydych chi'n peth'r holl ac mae y gallwn hefyd yn effaith 70 mlynedd yn gresur. Fe fod y byddai yn sylwedd fel holl. Mae wedyn yn sétidion, mae'r cyhoedd. Mae hynny'n gymhoedd a phob lŷ o'r synod. Mae'n mynd i ddod, mae'n ei wneud i Gwyl, ond mae'n hyn yn holl o'r sylwedd. Mae'n mynd i Gwyl, yn ddidd yn yma, ac mae'n ddidd yn hyn, a'r sgwch eisiau yn gweithio. Rhaid wych yn ffordd ydw i'n gwneud. Mae'n rhaid i'n gweithio, a gweithio, fel wych yn ffordd yw'r wyf yn gweithio, a rhaid i'n gweithio, mae i'n gweithio, mae'n rhaid i'n gweithio, a'r llwyddo sy'n gweithio, mae'n mwy fydda'r cwb yn oed oherwydd gyda'r holl o'r wyf, a roeddwn yn dweud yn hanesonol. Mae'r llwyddo i'n gweithio, a'i rwyf yn gweithio cyngorol gws i'n rhan o pob o'r lleidio'n gwneud eich ranzio credu pot oedau o'r artref i'r ymgynneriaeth ymgynneriaeth gwneud. Dyn nhw yw wedi'w gwybod yn rhan o'r gwrs yn nesaf y cyfarwyl cyffredin, ac mae'r perycle yn ddigon fewn i'n dyn nhw i ddau i ni bach'r cyffredin a dweud o'r cyffredin fel yng Nghymru yn gwneud. Ond ychydig o ddweud eich cyffredin ni'n fam concerns gyda'r cyffredin. Mae'n gallwch i gael. Rwy'n gweithio, rwyf i ddim yn dweud. Rwyf i ddim yn dweud, fel yr ydych chi wedi gael, rwyf i ddim yn gofyn â'r ffordd, ond rwyf i'n dwylo'r rhagleniol, ac rwyf i ddim yn dweud. Rwyf i ddim yn dweud. Rwyf i ddim yn dweud, ac rwyf i ddim, ond mae'r ychydig yn ddwylo. Yn ei ddweud, ac rwyf i ddim yn ddwylo'r rhagleniol ar y gwrthodol, ac rwyf i ddim yn gweithio. Mae'n meddwl am ymddangos o'r cerdd Cymru yn ysgolwg. Ieithaf hynny byddai'r cyfarwyddau cyllidau sy'n gweithio, chi'n mynd ymgyrchu'r cerdd Cymru. Oes yn ymgyrch yn ymgyrch yn eu cyflawn o'r cyffredin. Mae'r maen nhw'n gallu bod yn ystyried o'r ITV. Mae'n gweithio i'r cyfrifiad. Mae'n gweithio ymgyrchu cerdd Cymru. Mae'r gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Ac mae'n gweithio that mae'n gweithio am ysgol yng Nghaerwyr, mae'r maen nhw i gyngor i'r hanffordd ddweud, a'r ddweud o'r gwahanol yna, ond mae'n gwahanol ar y cyfrifiadau, ond mae'n dda, ond mae'n gweithio ar hyn yn cael ei ddweud. Mae'r rethoedd yn gweithio iawn ac mae'n ddechrau i'r rhaid i'r gwaith yn yma ar y llai, ac mae'n gweithio i'r Ddweud, ac mae'n gweld o'n gweld i'r ddweud, I knew it was gonna be this a lot because there's a bit of contact. And the same last night, real-time a referee's got a clear view of it. Doesn't give anything, in fact, everything get a corner I think. And then because the play's rolling around like his career's over, they go and look at it on VIA, and then they recommend the referee. Now Chris Gavanagh is one of the few referees that I've seen stick to his on-field decisions ac ydyw'n gofyn o bôn o'i sicrhau'n mynd yn gyllid gyda arnyntio'i cydhaf, ac mae'n gofyn o'n ardal yn rhoi eu rhanolion, a clysydd nesaf i'r gyrdd yna ac mae'n gofyn o'i rydych ymddangos, ac mae'r cyflodd yn rhanolion, mae'n gofyn am y rhanolion, mae'n rhanolion erbyn hynny. Fe yna'n gweithiau. Mae gwybod yn cefnwyr a wedi gydag ychydig yn clyw, dyna rhaid me'n gweithiau rhaid, a gallwn i ei awards. Roedd ydych chi'n wych i ddechrau'n gwybod i'r 50-50 ysgol, mae'n dweud i gael gwybod, ond ydych chi'n ddweud i gael gwybod, mae'n dweud i gael gwybod. Felly mae eich ddweud i gael gwybod, mae'n ddweud i gael gwybod i gael gwybod, fe wnaeth ddim yn ddiddordeb. Felly, yna'r gweithio ar y ddechrau, dormir nid i ddaw i wneud hynny, fel mae'n gwybod y dystau gan y red card arall i'w ddechrau. Dysgwyddi'n fwy gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'n, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gwahanol, mae'n ddiddordeb o ddiddordeb o'r ddiwyddiad. Felly, yna'r oedd y ddyn nhw o'w. Yn y casgliad, Yn Ym Mwg, yn y ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb, dwi'n wedi ddim yn cael ei ddweud o'u bwysig i'r gweithio. Felly mae'n cael ei ddiddordeb o'i ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb o'r ddiddordeb. yw'r palas. Stephen Fletcher, speciall, because I'm sure you're having a chat with him this week as well, by the way. He's a nice man, by the way. He's a nice man, by the way. That's on the official EFL podcast. There you go. Confined it now. We were having a chat in the street and I said, what did you think? He was shaking his head and just going, it's just got ridiculous. Obviously, that's from a palas fan's point of view, regardless of all of the neutrals in all of this, he was just going, that's absurd. And we were talking about the possibility of appealing now. The problem that I have, we'll go down this road for a second. The problem that I have with the appeal, much as I think we should, you have to appeal everything, but I don't think we've got a chance to do it because the problem for me is that if we were appealing an old style decision whereby a referee has made a decision in the heat of the moment, at the speed of play, et cetera, et cetera, and he or she may have got that wrong, and video evidence would suggest that or support that, then I think you've got a situation. But when you have something whereby the referee at the time has not seen anything wrong in that tackle and hasn't done anything and then has been overruled by Stockley Park, you have felt that there was a clear error according to the rules of VAR, a clear error to require that referee to go over and see that incident on the monitor themselves. You're then not, for me, going to have a situation where they are going to rescind that because otherwise it makes everything that VAR is about and everything that Stockley Park does seem like a mockery. But that's why I would appeal it, Dave. I'm saying we should appeal it. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying personally, I cannot see any positive outcome coming our way. I hope I'm wrong. I can't see them overturning it in any way because what you're doing is you are overturning a decision which has had the benefit of technology, had the benefit of time, had the benefit of many different angles and everything that the modern game can do these days with technology. I just can't see them because otherwise it then means, well, what they do is pointless. And I don't think that they're going to go ahead with it. But I cannot for any reason understand why they felt that it was a clear error to go and see it again. And also it then puts Kavanaugh's situation, you know, he's made his decision at the time. He's been overruled by Stockley Park. He's had to then go over and have a look at it. We all know what happens then. And then ultimately, who's referee in the game? Because the referee ultimately has, as I understand it, and I may be wrong, no expert on the rulings of VAR and who's allowed to ultimately have the final say. But I, as I understood it, the match official was the one who ultimately had the final say. But I guess when you put in that situation and you have other referees or other people from the refereeing body making those decisions remotely, it's also a very difficult situation to be in to make a stand and a big stand and go against that. I think it's a mess. I really do. I mean, there's been enough problems with VAR of late. But I think this is a real mess and possibly the worst situation or the worst decision involving VAR that we've seen to date. Yeah, and that's exactly why I'd appeal it because I was saying this last night on one of my videos. It's like the worst thing about that is every single person knows that it's the wrong decision. Everyone, there's no one. No one can say it was the right decision. And that's why, and that's why everything has to make as much noise about it as possible. And that's part of that is the appeal process and agree. And if it comes back and they say, well, no, and they come up with all these reasons, then you might as well just then everything can go. Then the game's finished then. Because if everyone can see it because it goes back to the old days, doesn't it? It goes back to memory old days when we didn't have VAR and the screen in the in the ground might show the incident. And we all go, it's there. And the referee basically go, there's nothing I can do or there was a time. I think there was a time when they'd have the screens in the dugouts, but they didn't have VAR. And I think Marineo a couple of times went absolutely ballistic. And the referee just stand there at the photo vision and go, there's nothing I can do about it. I think this is a great chance for us to say, there you go, do something about it. And if they don't, then we can go, how have they got this wrong three times? How has that incident? And then that's because that's the only way we can push the conversation. I was watching Sky Sports News last night. I was watching the press room thing they do and Jonathan Lew was one. And I will say his name because what he said last night was a disgrace. It was a disgrace. He basically was asked about it and he said, I don't care. And the guy, I think it was David Greed. I'll say what you really mean. He went, no, I don't care. He said, we're making a big deal about this because it's the only game of the night. And it's the only incident in a pretty boring game. And he said, I just don't care. And I just thought that is the arrogance that has got us into this situation. Journalists who turned their nose up at a game like Crystal Palace versus Evan. And yet if it was Man City in Liverpool or it was just Liverpool full stop, there'd be appeals for days and we demand the VAR audio. And by the way, that's not Liverpool's fault. That is the media we've got in this country at times. China spotlight on one thing. And yeah, don't care about other things. And there's a, you know, again, it's that thing of like, you can make a big deal of things if you're looking at it, but if you're not looking at it or it doesn't really matter. And this to me is why we've got VAR the way we've got it now. Because far too many people just want to go out. Doesn't really matter if it's Sheffield United versus Villa and the ball goes over the line. What does that really matter? But if it happens in a bit in a Man City Liverpool or Liverpool Man United, then they'll talk about it for days and you know they'll have Carragher and they'll have Neville and they'll have Keane and they'll have all the clips on social media. But when it's ever versus, when it's ever versus Palace and you've got a couple of people in the studio that might be lesser known or whatever, no one cares. And I just thought that to me was a horrible, horrible thing to say, certainly about when not only 4,000 of Everton fans travelled there to Selles Park on a Thursday night, but also you know Palace fans going to a game four days after the new year and the stress that puts on people as well to go to these games. And I just thought that what a disrespectful comment to put out there. And honestly it was the worst. Last night talking about the game straight afterwards to me was a real, you know listen there's been a lot of low points in the last few years doing this. But last night I felt really low just about football in general, about where we are, where it is as a game. You know we've had the handballs recently, we've had lots of games getting played, ridiculous schedules, but last night I felt really down about the game, something that we all grew up loving, something that inspired us all, we all were working in football one way or another. Now I just thought where are we going as a game when not only is this decision being made, but it's being made somewhere in a studio somewhere else. And if we go to appeal we'll probably take it down. And the biggest one that made me just think what a joke is, if that decision gets made on Monday night at Wigan, sorry if that happens at Wigan on Monday night, the game plays on, the game plays on, it's not even looked at, the rest made a good decision and it's not even looked at. So we're playing in a tournament that doesn't even have 100% rules. I thought where are we going now, it's becoming so elitist as a sport in terms of the clubs it looks after. I know it has been doing that for a while. Even in a tournament that you don't have the same rules if you're not playing in a Premier League grand. I thought where are we going with this, where are we going with the sport now, how many people are just turning off and going, what's the point? And that to me was the worst thing. I can take players being sent off, I can take players if they make files or whatever. It lost me on the other side of it just very quickly. Also, players throwing themselves on the ground doesn't help the situation. Have a bit of respect for your fellow professional as well. Cline and Eze. Have a bit of respect for your fellow sportsman as well because we are in a state we are at the moment because of that as well and that's the problem. It's a shambles, it's a shambles and that decision is a disgrace. Dave, I've spoke to someone who works in football this morning and obviously I'm going to name them but this was the response. I think it should be appealed but in effect we're saying two referees made the wrong decision on field and VAR so therefore it's going to be difficult to get it over time. Well it's probably three isn't it because they're not two monitoring the VAR as well. It's probably a few. I'm nitpicking but that's the situation we find. We have Dominic out. First ever red card in his career and we now lose a card for three games. I mean it's absolutely absurd. One line, one line they've gone with sorry one line in there that everything could won't get it appealed like sorry won't get it over time which means we lose them for a huge Premier League game against Last and Bill of the Gooders is get appealed for the punishments being too harsh for the crime. So therefore you can say right ok we understand that you won't overturn it because you're going by the letter of the law but everything could argue in danger and an opponent and all of that and therefore have the ban reduced from three games to one game which... I don't think they can do that. No they can, we can. We did it with Luca Dean at Southampton a few years ago. He got sent off for the straight red in a game we lost when Carla was the manager. We lost 2-0 and Everton appealed for the punishments was too harsh because when he looked at it again it was you know was it... I don't understand that because it's either a red card or it's a red card. I'm not disagreeing with you in any way shape or form I'm just saying that for me it's either a red card or it's a red card. If it's a red card then it comes with the punishment that a red card holds. There shouldn't be two grades of a red card. No I know but it shouldn't be. It either is or it isn't. It either stands or it gets completely rescinded. I don't understand what is wrong with the referees saying we got it wrong. I think they get more respect. I honestly think if they come out and went right and the reason how they could do it the problem you've got is Chris Cavanaugh I've said it before he's still the only ref I think I've ever seen give Everton a decision in favour when the VAR has tried to make Everton knock at the right decision and that was at Amfield in the penalty against Liverpool a couple of when we won 2-0. He gave a penalty, VAR sent him to the screen and you actually seen him laughing at the VAR fellow going it's a penalty, he looked at it and went it's a penalty so he went against VAR and went with his Amfield decision which is what in my opinion he should have done last night he should have said I'm seeing it live in real time I've got a clear view it isn't a foul and he didn't see back that I'd like to see Everton come out and really make a strong case here like Liverpool did I mean we you've had every decision we sat here when that happened to Spades for Liverpool and we both agreed that's something hard to happen you know we were everything we say is on tape so you can hear it all we sat here and we said that decision needs that's bigger than just one club that needs to be looked at for the sake of football and something needs to change and I think for this I've watched you know afterwards Seamus came out and he's believed as ever and he actually said that's never a red card listen to Sean Dyche watch this press conference last night and you know he's there's a video going round of Anderson the pallet players saying to Dom it's not a red Dyche is talking in the press conference saying what's the point anymore he's saying what's the point in going to the screen and therefore if they're not going to the screen who's refereeing the game because that's what he's basically implying but I'd like to see something strong come out of the football club and this is where I think the appeal process is important of saying you know it's maybe cutting your nose off to spite your face but I'd like to see Everton come out and go no we're not going to try and get it downgraded we want this for Cinder because this is an absolute farce and do you know you're not going to be punished for telling the truth as you know Liverpool weren't punished for coming out and saying we want to hear the we want to hear what God said then last night we want to hear it because how do you get to that decision how does brushing someone's sock with your foot get them it wasn't even a foul let's get it right it wasn't even a foul the game played on and we you know we win the ball back I was fuming a dom not releasing Dan Jim it was one on one to be honest it's not a foul and somehow those people in that room have come to it that it's a red card and it's not even a foul go on Dave go on but the reason why sorry to maybe say it again but I think that in the past traditionally when stuff has been rescinded in my opinion it's been rescinded because somebody and this is back to your point Baz whereby why can't they say we made a mistake now the problem I have with that is that when mistakes have been made and people have said that historically and they put their hands up and you know it's human error you make mistakes when you're trying to referee a game at that speed you're going to make mistakes human error because we're not talking about robots here people put their hand up and they kind of go do you know what I made a mistake in light of the video evidence I made a mistake and stuff gets rescinded that makes total sense and everybody's fine and we move on but this isn't human error you know and that's why for me it's a totally different situation because Kavana got the decision right in real time and then a setup which goes beyond or is intended to eliminate human error as in two referees sitting there with the benefit of slow motion and multi-camera angles after much deliberation of then overruling so if they were to stick their hands up and say we've made a mistake, I've made a mistake whatever it is then surely that nullifies the whole reason or the whole effectiveness of any kind of VAR technology which I just don't believe that they are going to do is one for you then, is the best example I would take son on Andre Gomez got sent off VAR sent him off basically and it got rescinded he broke he jumped in and if that wasn't dangerous play then I don't know what was he chased after them he connected with them and the lad ends up breaking his ankle and we all saw it, we were there it was horrific to be there and he got us rescinded so we've ever been down appeal and they can come out that's the example where something seriously did happen forget about well he might have he could have done this and this could have happened that's what the rules of football are for if someone throws a punch and doesn't connect you get sent off but this is football players going at it 100% that's what we want from the game and to say he didn't though and he wasn't trying to he was trying to win the ball beautifully everything Dominic was trying to do in that tackle he did perfectly you could see what he intended to do it was a brilliant tackle and it was a brilliant way of winning back that ball and recycling it but there's too much of this now in football and it's gone from and this is what VAR has done to the game and I was a big advocate of it but it's gone from having a referee looking at a situation and going well yeah he started to win the ball because that's what happens there are 50-50s in football there are shoulder charges because they can do it's gone right to the other end of the scale now where we've got this thing of well look and it's the same with fouls it's the same with handball it's that thing of unnatural positions that's not what the handball rules about that's not what a foul is about if you trip someone up it's a foul because you trip them up they allow balls to go out for goal kicks it's gone right to the other end of the spectrum you know what if his leg had been slightly further over it would have been a foul but it's not a foul you've got to go back to the essence of what the game is just because you think something might have happened doesn't mean it would have happened or it did happen and that's the most important thing did it happen no it didn't so it's not a foul it's crazy we're just going down this road now and no one seems to be going on let's have a look at this let's stop this and let's have a bit of common sense and that's what enraged me most about last night's decision forget about what could have happened or this or that it didn't happen you can't win a 50-50 tackle by taking the whole ball without any contract you can't you can put your foot in and drag a ball back leaning in but then you're leaning into your body it's momentum and if Dominic goes straight-legged it's a red card he didn't go straight-legged he scooped the ball back most importantly he was in control that's the most important word at every point during that movement he was in control he never jumped, he never wasn't too footed he was always and the very nature of what happened next showed he was in control because he took the ball and ran away with it but how on earth people with the benefit of technology see that over and over again from every different angle and then decide that the referee has made a clear error and we all show I mean it's absurd we had the benefit of seeing what the referee was looking at last night why did they have to show me 35 times before he made the decision a VAR think you should be able to look on the second look and go that far you know when you watch football and I'll say this from last week when we played Man City so when we played Man City and the penalty appeal I'm in the goddess street and my eyes aren't great but anyway I do need to start getting my glasses sorted but instantly I knew do something fishy about that I just knew and I go back you go back and I'm like he probably must have handballed that now watching it again I was like nah I don't think it's handballed as in it should be a penalty and no straight away last night I was watching the game and at no point did I go you know what because sometimes we all have that we've watched football our brain tells us last couple of seasons like Alan's challenge in Newcastle right even though it looked like it I thought he's off because he knew Rondon below me I thought straight red Mason Hallgate spares I went if the ref looks it's a red you know players react not one part he went like that nobody reacted if Dominic Alvalun had done them they'd be pushing and there was nothing the VAR for me for stuff like that should be if the referee hasn't seen it if the players going on and something's there they should go you need to go and look at that he's looking at the game he's looking at it being it in the motion it's in and that's again where the VAR has lost the plot again VAR should be for offside it should be for goal line technology and it should be for like when you know things what was the one the day I seen I seen one in Tachy where one of the players I think was a Cardi he literally gets punched off the ball that's the kind of thing that it should be for it shouldn't be funny enough to hit a VAR he didn't get it but that's the kind of thing it should be getting used for those moments where you're like something's just happened off the ball what you have there is a deterrence where people go well actually I can't do something but players don't do it anymore because they know it's getting thingy but you can't have a challenge where a referee especially when a referee is given a decision like we had Jota the other night fallen over when he can score a goal on the shelf I mean it's embarrassing and I've seen Liverpool fans trying to justify it and people like Rapha Honex trying to justify it because he's paid by TNT because they've got Premier League right and the thing about that is when you slow it down you see a contact and then you go well of course there's contact there and it's like last night I just think this slow motion thing needs to be been now the referee should look at it in real time because that's what football gets played on and if he can't see something wrong with it in real time there shouldn't be any of this slow motion I could go over to you look at a film look at how they film things in fight scenes it makes it look like wow he is punching him tell me this tell me this like that was a red card last night remember when we beat Palace of Style do you remember Jordan I used to challenge in front of our dog jump through the air two-footed and wasn't a red card I see one Kai Havett at Newcastle this season that was a disgrace on the ass through the back of it and there's one last night he said look at the better one he said I'm not saying it's a penalty but I tell you what if you slow that down then suddenly it's a penalty because you've made something that took a couple of seconds take five or six seconds and it's gone he looked at it one second and yet he spent minutes looking at it the game is just the killing it's killing itself this is the most worrying thing that we've had I think so far in the history of VAR and it's been a long debate and you know only from a luddite point of view I never was in favour of it anyway I'm not just saying that now after the event I was always sceptical about it but here we find ourselves and this I think genuinely is of all the concerning decisions and concerning ups and downs of late which many many people within the game have had an issue with I think of all of them I think this is the most concerning in terms of where this leaves us how we move on what it actually means we were big advocates of it because I stupidly thought that it would reduce favouritism and reduce bias and reduce all of that stuff and what we've got is we've now got hiding in plain sight the making sure teams get decisions so they can help them achieve what they want with the bigger clubs at the top but also not just that we've had and this is more concerning than say giving teams at the top decisions literally sure in the everman city game when the referee gives a corner show me why it should be a penalty and it wasn't a penalty anyway that was another joke of a decision as the Gomez won it probably was what we're having is this slowing down and proving that something's gone on and I think that's a disgrace when we saw a Tottenham as well as the Andrei Gomez thing and I'm just using it but I know wolves have had terrible decisions we saw a situation of Tottenham where Amadou O'n Anashe was left from his body and it's not a penalty but the same player does it a few days later against Brighton and it is a penalty, the two same same player, same incident two totally different outcomes and what that leads to is you do start thinking there's a definite undercurrent here, there's a definite agenda against Everton, I don't want to go down that road because even though I have suspected that for a while particularly since Everton made such a fuss over the replacement of the Sly 6 when they tried to leave the Super League and Everton were very vocal and led the charge I think that caused since then we've had terrible decisions go against, there's still the only club in the Premier League not to have a penalty by the way this season with the last time we had 11, the 10 advantage was four years ago so players not being sent off against Everton in four years which again is a worrying thing normally when all these things are in front of you they add up to what you really think it is and it's now feeling like an agenda but VAR has allowed this now and it's making the game worse just a foreverton by the way I'm not on the same conspiracy thing you are on but I understand it but I'm seeing lots of people on it no that's fine, the one thing I don't like and I've already mentioned it and this is where I didn't think this would happen is is I do I personally believe whether they doing it consciously or unconsciously is media is playing too much of a part in this, like I said before when the game is on live and you've got a room full of people and they need to talk for an hour after a game or whatever like the Liverpool one on Monday night so the jota penalty it's all over social media I'm talking about it and it's a joke and everyone's like how can this be a penalty did Sky Sports come back and talk about it straight away? No they didn't they left it for about 15-20 minutes talk about everything else because the TV companies you cover it are as much a part of the Premier League as everything else so they don't want to focus and this is where I've talked about this before after it came if you've got goals and someone's illegally uploaded them to Twitter on Twitter a lot longer than any kind of dodgy incidents involving referees and that's the side of things which really troubles me is that the TV companies don't want to talk about things that happen Stan Collymor alluded to this after the Liverpool goal that was disallowed at Spades he said he was working for a French TV company and straight away that was the only thing they were talking about and yet Sky Sports basically just laughed it off no no, nothing really happened there and it was only when Klopp came out afterwards and rightly said what he said and then Liverpool made the big process did people start to talk more about it and that's the problem for me is that media companies just want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that it's all right and pretend we've got the best league in the world and all this nonsense that to me is the real issue Well I've got some breaking news Everton have notified the FA of its decision to appeal the red card issue to make up a third round fixture at Crystal Palace on Thursday night good and make a big fuss even if they don't win it make a big fuss and song and dance about it because it needs it listen, excuse me we're going to leave it there only to finish with Dave before Christmas you were having some issues with a leakage in the roof there were all kinds of builders turning roofers turning up and kicking tires shaking the head have you got a conclusion to that story of any further along with the said roof issue and the reason why I ask is because it's pissed it down for two weeks so where are you Well thanks Barry and it's a good question I know it's something that everybody's been waiting for I've been waiting for Father Christmas to be fair Well the good news is that since we last spoke the leak seems to have stopped which is really strange because it absolutely threw it down with rain all yesterday afternoon and all last night and I thought if ever there's going to be water coming through a dodgy ceiling and a leaky roof it's going to be then but actually nothing happened I don't know why but I went through my due diligence before Christmas and I had a number of roofing quotes done they varied wildly from one another but I have gone with what I believe to be the best and cheapest result and a contractor has been appointed and he starts on Monday the scaffolding has gone up today causing parking issues for myself but that's a minor some minor inconvenience so the roof is getting done and then hopefully we will be water tight and dry for many years to come I just think personally you should get in touch with Mr Drone so we can get daily videos of this on YouTube because people but also the drone effect above might be able to have a little look I just think there's a curiosity out there and I think people would be turning in their droves to watch but there might be there might be a local Evertronian who lives in Bornend who occupies a drone I don't know whether Mr Drone is going to go down to Bornend Mr Drone will travel far he will but I don't have a good content but if there is a shed Evertronian in that region hang on we walking past your drone did you just say it or sad? both I think it needs covering it does need some covering listen if in the modern world and technology has got us and we talked a lot about technology today but if technology has got us to a place where people are happy to play online games for their own leisure time and amusement if technology is jet washing then why should there not also be an audience for somebody to watch roofing repairs being done live I think that's a niche I think we've just cracked a new niche I spent many hours on Christmas in doing a good power wash fair play team I'm back on the horse I'm back in the west on Red Dead One good stuff I've done boats I've done shoe houses fire stations fire stations I've got my hose out many times over Christmas what's your favourite if you had to pick one thing to jet wash what would it be and why few people on Instagram I think you wouldn't mind you know what was the boat a different challenge they're all different challenges they're all very much different you must have barnacles of course what's brought your most joy the clean I don't know there's different builds and stuff but obviously when you've got the barnacles and a different level of death you have to change the nozzle and also you can power and you get a different length well it's all about length when I've got me and you've got the intensity of the water going through said jet wash but not too much no presumably because I suppose if you are too intense and too close as we all know you've got to be careful with the squint you could take the paint off though could you not I have not hit anyone with my hose that I know of never knowingly hit or squirt very much your Marks and Spencers or George Henry Lee John Lewis John Lewis John never knowingly and my nozzle is firmly intact well done well unlike Ned's mate who had his nozzle adjusted right let's leave it there we will come back next week with more light heart and this has been a very football centric which is unlike us for this podcast but that's fine it neither did today Mr Vitty I know you are incredibly busy so we are going to let you go but we will see everybody next week make sure you like, subscribe share, vibe, start do all of that stuff because why wouldn't you free your nozzles that's what I say there you go you've got to think today if you are interested today is the final day I think you can get power get wash free on the on your Playstation I'll probably download it and I just show it in the library I probably won't no but that's the beauty of life it's your challenge for 24 I feel you should dabble into the games world and just see whether or not this is something you'd like to take forward I think so Dave that's your challenge what if you need it it's a bit of an expensive challenge I may have a look and see if I can purchase myself a second hand Atari do it yeah fair play why wouldn't you on dial up on the mode and dial up good luck with your roof we'll catch up with watch next week thank you everybody for watching listening and all of that stuff and we'll see you later take it easy bye bye now