 Can you see me all right? Yeah. Do I look terrible? Not really, you look all right. I'm getting more and more hairy. Me? Yeah. I think it's going to come a point where Sabrina has to... I have to let her loose with the scissors. Yeah. Worst thing can happen. Well, I can have a total right off of a haircut. We'll start again. Yeah. Right, shall we get going? And then we can kind of do a live update on how we're doing as we talk. Come in fresh. You taking another lucky dip? Yeah. Right, okay. Here we go. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello, hello, remote. We are remote once again. And I'm longing... Oh, I just love now to be at the pub. Yeah. Oh, it was a lovely day. I know it's a bit cold today than it has been, but I'd love to have been at the pub today. It's Easter Monday and it would have been a great beer garden. Yeah. It was a lovely weekend. Lovely weekend. But still, the absence makes the heart grow fonder today. I think when we go, you will certainly enjoy it. Yeah, we'll be grateful for it when we do. Right, my friend, you do yours for your drink first and I'll dip into my lucky box. All right, I've gone for a new one. Talking of sunny days, I've gone for Sunshine Pale Ale. Oh, nice. Sounds like a happy drink. Yeah, it's from a nice place. It's down near... Well, St Ive's sort of way, Padsdale's sort of way in Cornwall. Yeah. Lovely part of the world, somewhere that we were only saying today as a family where we would love to be. But soon, soon, I'm sure. So it's pretty golden. Not much of a head. Oh, it's very clear, isn't it? Very clear. Yeah. See your face through that glass. And it tastes like a little bit of sort of almost exotic fruit, but not a lot. It's not quite, you know, a bit more fruity than apple, sort of. Maybe kiwi maybe, somewhere like that. Okay. A bit bitter, but not too bitter. A little bit of bubbles. Smells like beer. Smells like beer garden beer. Yeah. Does it? Summer beer. Summer beer, yeah. That's nice. Nice. Well played, Lushingtons. Good stuff. You like what you did? Yeah. I was just... I was just trying to get a noise there from my mail, which is distracting, so I just turned it off. Right, into the... If you weren't listening last week, shame on you. But... Oh, my... The messages keep going now. Quit. And if you weren't here last week, I ordered a box of mystery cider from the Bristol Sider Shop. And each week I'm going to dip into the lucky box and not look what I'm picking out. And these are all award-winning ciders from the West Country area. And I... Oh, this is a heavy bottle, Jack. This is a heavy bottle. Oh, my days. Right, okay. This is a... I think you know this one, Jack. This is Dunkartons. You know Dunkartons. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's from my tent. You're from... Founded in Herefordshire. Is that right? Well... He's from Cheltenham. Yes, it is. It does say producer. Dunkartons, Cheltenham in the back. I know... I might... This question, have I had this before? This is a premium reserve organic cider. It's just called Dunkartons, but it's 6.8%. So you might have had... You might have had some at the tavern. That was... Wasn't that the first play of the way the podcast starts? Is that the tavern? Yes, the first one. But we've been there twice. So I've had a good chance I'd have had this before. So do they do more than one cider? They probably do more than one, don't they? Surely. Well, I honestly don't know. They've expanded and they've opened up the really big brewery just on the outskirts of Cheltenham. They did have a beer, but that was nice to start with and the second batch wasn't great, so then they stopped making it. Yeah. But yeah, this is the super-dry guy. So it says there's a quote here from Ivor Dunkarton. Is that the man? No, Julian. Okay, there's a guy... Well, the quote here is from someone called Ivor. Ivor the engine. There we go. I don't know if it's just that I've become weak in my lockdown state where I've got no arm strength, but this feels like a heavy bottle. But it's only... It's still a 500-mil bottle, which has just made a thick glass. So there we are, the part of cloudy-ish cider with relatively bubbly. It's quite sweet, though. So it does say on the back, it's quite nice. It is more sweet than acidic. It's nice. It's lovely. Good. It's got kind of a very sweet taste to it, but it's quite a mixture of fruits in that, I'd say. Almost like a strong apple juice flavor to that, but kind of like... A blended whiskey, different apples, maybe. Yeah. But it's nice. 6.8%. I'll just, again, just be having one of those tonight. But that's very, very nice. Thank you, Dunkartons. Close the box back up. I want to see what's next. Cheers, my friends. Cheers, buddy. Sorry we can't be together as such. Getting used to it yet? Sorry? Getting used to it yet? Yeah, I think so. I think there's an interesting dynamics occurring in our family over the last 24 hours or so, whereby, obviously, we can say when this is Easter Monday now, because this is probably going to go out straight away this week, try to make Easter a bit different. But I think even now, especially this morning, when I think half of my family is kind of dealing with it quite well, the other half not so much. OK. So I think perhaps just a bit more niggly today than yesterday that has been just in terms of the routine is getting a bit more routine. And I think that's an element of boredom setting for my wife and my daughter, probably. Yeah, so testing this week's going to be testing as well, I think. It's going to be a difficult one, but I don't think that the constraints are going to be relaxed any time soon for the UK, certainly. No. How about you? Yeah, so we had a rough start with a bit of illness in the house. Not the illness, but now I think everyone's sort of back to full health. We sort of found a new norm. I think it's quite funny how adaptable human beings are, really. Yeah. We were horrified with the thought when lockdown was first announced and thought, well, we'll never be able to get used to that. But we've adapted. I think everybody adapts. And yeah, it's all a bit weird. But it's kind of, we said today because it's sort of three weeks since lockdown was announced. We saw it in three weeks and we both said, wasn't it as bad as we thought it was going to be? No, no. I mean, to be fair, I'm not really working a lot, which means that we haven't got that pressure. That's going to come. How do you mean that's going to come? When I start working more, it's going to be harder to balance things. How are you planning on phasing back into it? I mean, because you took time off over the race. Did you take time off this weekend? Well, yeah, because I was supposed to be on holiday anyway. Oh, right. Okay. So we're only supposed to be back this weekend. Yeah. And so, yeah, I don't really know yet. I'm trying to work out a few things, whether to maybe try some webinars. I think I'm going to try some webinars. Yeah, I saw, I think I was a LinkedIn for my sins on a bank holiday when I was checking it, and I saw that you were offering something like that. What, I don't know, you think it's a subject, or is that something you're going to... I was just floating the idea really, seeing if people are interested, what kind of topics would they be interested in? I'd rather, I've always been like that. I've always, you know, when meet-up groups ask me to talk, I always say, so what do you want me to talk about rather than I'm going to come and talk about this? Yeah. Rather than push my topic on them. And so, I'll just put it out there, what subjects would people be interested in? Are you responsible? Yeah, so far it's around product ownership mostly, and change agency. So, I might see how that goes, see if enough people are interested, and just put something together, short, sharp, targeted. And, yeah, see if that works, is it as a way of changing, pivoting what I do, rather than go to training classes, or whole day on site, you know, sort of hour here, hour there, see what happens. Yeah, I've done a similar thing. I think as well it keeps, it breaks my week-ups, so I've been running, my intention was to run almost like Brownback sessions, because I was very conscious and a lot of people have told me a lot of the feedback I've been having from people who are working from home, is the amount of time they're spending on Zoom calls, or conference calls, or whatever that might be, and it's quite exhausting and it's quite draining. A lot of people are saying they're trying to scale back, so I tried to do, like, virtual Brownback kind of lunch sessions, I tried to time-box them within 45 minutes of lunch breaks, or what would technically be the end of the day of lunch breaks. So people aren't completely bogged down, but again, I've been quite surprised at the number of people that are interested in them. Yeah. And I've just been basing it around online retrospectives and having a chat up around those, and using some of the cards that I've got within those, but they've been quite popular, so I've been quite pleased for that, and it does give me something to focus on, because there's not a lot of training happening at the moment, it would rightly so if people are, people just not booking training courses, you don't expect people to at the moment either, it's not a time to go out and find training, so I say that, maybe it is a time to retrain, if you're retraining, this is perhaps a great opportunity to reskill, but I think certainly for my clients, they're holding back really on booking any more training courses or anything with me online. So I'm trying to offer something alternative, but I'm getting quite a bit of interest in it, really. So yeah, it's quite a nice way of doing it, and because they're short sessions, it's when you kind of feel they're manageable and they're quite easy to, you don't feel like you're exhausting people or monologuing out there for too long, so it's quite good. Are there any other sort of, what other alternatives are there to another webinar, another video call, another screen session? I don't know. Maybe just the audio, so I was kind of thinking then, walk around the garden or just put your earphones in and don't have a screen, just listen. Because we've talked before, haven't we? If you deprive yourself of one sense, the other sentence will increase. Maybe just shut your eyes and listen. Yeah. One of my good friends, obviously everyone's in a lockdown situation, but he said to me that he's found himself picking up the phone war because he's fed up with internet-based calling. Really? So almost going back to, you know, dialing a number and walk, and you can be more mobile. You can walk around the garden or whatever and be outdoors without losing signal. You can just, you're relying much more on a mobile phone, but the amount of people now that I think that aren't using mobile phones because everything's in front of the screen, it can be quite refreshing to get out and use the good old mobile phone. Yeah. Or dare I say the landline? Do you still have one? You have to have one. I never answer my landline. No one ever rings my landline anymore. The only people that ring my landline are Spam and my father-in-law. I just don't answer it. Yeah, it is a rarity in our house. Something's usually wrong. It's usually the doctor's surgery. I think the doctor's surgery's still got our landline. Yeah. So it'll be something around that, that we know, or school. If one of the kids is ill, there'll be a crisis and we have to go and get the kids from school and landline will probably ring. That's generally how it works in our house. But notice, it's kind of a forgotten, forgotten art, I suppose. Forgotten advice. What am I missing with your landline retrospective sessions? What do you mean, what do you miss out on? Well, what are you missing? I'm condensing a seven-day retrospective into 15, 20 minutes, as a way to demonstrate how you can do it. So using an online tool in a mush. You would never run it that quickly, but just to explain some three parts of retrospective using my Lexicon cars, just to demonstrate different and identify with different emotions of various points, a relevant point to go deeper at various points. And just explain to people how you can use those cars online, really. So the only downside is I don't have those cars in an app or in a kind of a downloadable form. It's just literally have the paper-based version. But you can still use them online. I've just been using it, and we've been sharing a few different... I used Google Jamboard, which is quite a good tool that I've found that actually people have... A lot of people have said how useful it is. It's a free tool, as most Google things are, but it's just really, really easy to get people onto and using online. You can do a fairly quick retrospective using Post-its with a virtual flip chart. People don't have to download anything before the actual event. They can just come in and... People, it's quite cathartic, actually, for me to see people, to make new connections. And that's one of the nice things that... Again, we've done a couple of these ad hoc impromptu social distancing on Friday. And we are just making new connections or refreshing old ones, someone that was on a previous training course messaged me and told me they'd love to come in and just have a virtual drink and just catch up. So it's nice to reconnect with older connections, sorry, not old people. But I'm finding a lot of... Again, a lot of people are seeking me out as a result of these webinars as well. So you do, and you make connections, and then they might lead to something else further down the line, you don't know. What do you miss the most about work? Old, normal work? What do I miss most about it? It's a good question. I think I just like the... I like the... Dare I say it? I don't know what I'm saying this, but I like the journey, the track... I mean, the whole journey in so much of the sense of it, of the delivery of being... What was it? I'm trying to condense it. I think I like going out and doing something and then coming back, going out and coming back, going out and coming back. I think I can... I never be what will be destined to stay at home. I miss being around... I miss experiences of being around people and I don't know if it's about people, really. It's just about different places. I've always been very much... and my parents always testified to this. I've always been a home bird, so I like being at home. I like coming home. But I think it's just... What I miss is breaking the week up and being in a different place and then the act of... I miss coming home, because now I am at home. So that's probably part of it, is being away and then being back, being away and then being back. And I've been lucky enough that that time away has always been an essential part of the job for the last 10 years. But it's relatively, compared to how it used to be at BT, certainly it's always been a shorter amount of time. Two, three days on average, I'd be away and then I'd be able to come home. So I think that's why missing is going in... As much as that probably sounds like me being a terrible husband and father, I like going out and being coming back. Well, as the stereophonic said, you've got to go there to come back. Yeah. And you've got to... If coming home is a good feeling and you have to leave, go and get it. Yeah. I like... I think like you said, a lot of families, and I think I'm no different, they benefit, they stay together, they go when because they have that distance and then they can come back. So we are kind of, four of us are being thrown into a bit of a pressure cooker at the moment that... And I think we're starting to see a few cracks now that... And to me and my wife talked today about maybe having a bit of time, whether it's we do... We're doing the exercise bit together on every day. But now, and even my son's starting to get a bit fractured with his sister. So we're thinking about now to stagger that and take them out in pairs rather than doing all together. Just to give them each a bit of time apart and probably me and my wife a bit of time apart as well. So I think we've all benefited from that. What about you? I see I missed the challenge, I think. So the... Every day was different. When people used to ask me about my job, what I liked about it, the only thing I would come back is I would say every day is different. And that's the one thing I didn't like about training courses is they do become quite samey, which is why I don't do many of them. But, yeah, every day, every conversation, every coaching session I have is different to the last one. And I don't know what I'm going to get. I used to like turning up at a client and not knowing what was going to happen that day. But, yeah, another moment, I'm pretty sure what's going to happen. Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? Yeah, one of the... We were doing... I'm doing a session at... Well, it was going to be a one-meter group. Now it's going to be a four-meter group simultaneously. Right. Next week. So a couple of hundred people, I think. And I'm doing... I'm putting together what I'm going to talk about. One of the things I'm going to talk about is really about yourselves to be part of a good team. And we do something like this in some of our courses. And I was just putting together an example user manual for me. And, you know, one of the things that you'd have as a sort of warning, if you like, beware about me, is I can get bored quite easily. When I get bored, I get restless. And I'll come up with silly ideas to really do something silly. Just to be different. Just to change things up. And that's kind of, you know, what I'm thinking about at the moment. Do something silly. For this user group? No, no, no, no, no, no. Just in general, in life in general? Yeah, you know, I'll buy something silly or I'll do something silly or I'll start a silly project, you know, that kind of thing. Just to break the monotony. It's not a bad thing, though. Oh, it's been a big part behind my creativity. The things that I've done. You could in fact, you know, actually to put you in a bored state is probably what you need to be to create something. Yeah. They said Einstein, didn't they? Einstein used to sit in his office and just stare out the window to go two thirds of the day. He'd quite often be seen just staring out the window or full of snoozing in his office. Letting your brain into that kind of wisdom sage-like state. Well, I saw someone that I like on Twitter today. I didn't respond because what I was going to say somebody had already said, so I wasn't going to add anything to the conversation. They were lamenting or feeling guilty about the fact that they just didn't have any motivation today. And so since lockdown, it might have been yesterday for all of them, since lockdown every day, you know, they'd sort of made themselves a plan. They'd been quite committed, quite dedicated, motivated, take some action, do some exercise, get some work done, be really productive. But today they just weren't feeling it. And they thought, I feel awful. I feel lazy. I just don't want to do it. And, you know, the responses were, like I said, pretty much what I would say is that that's okay. And sometimes doing nothing is the best thing, you know. Sometimes doing nothing is doing everything because you recharge. That's when your ideas come. You know, you'd have a day off, even if you were going into work, five days a week, you'd have a day where you weren't doing anything. The environment is weird, so it makes you feel weird. Yeah, I very much, as a family, we tried to treat this Easter weekend as we would an Easter weekend. So I didn't... I know that we're having a kind of call now, but I don't really view this as work. This is more just a catch up. But I tried, and I didn't check emails really. I had emails, but I, you know, I didn't respond to them. And I was quite... I tried to keep that structure that this was a holiday time for me. This is the time that I went out and played tennis with the kids today, and things like that that we probably wouldn't have ordinarily done if I was at work. But I know that work for the rest of this week is going to be different work. And it's probably that I can't treat it. I won't treat it like a full day. I'll do an hour and I'll have a break, and I'll come back and do an hour in the afternoon and sort of that. And it won't be a strict 95. I can't adopt that structure for the remaining whatever it might be four weeks, maybe, maybe more, who knows. But, yeah, I'm trying to treat it differently. I think I have to. Hmm. Yeah, I sent a newsletter today to my subscribers. Yeah. Quite a lot of people were on... quite a few people were on holiday for quite a while. Quite a few people with furloughed as well. Hmm. That must be a weird position to be in. Yeah. Do we need, I mean, for the benefit of our perhaps more international listeners, because I must admit it took me a while to understand this. Do we need to explain what furlough means for people that are perhaps not UK based? Maybe. So, to try and avoid mass unemployment, the government have decided to subsidize people's wages if organizations want to put them what they call on furlough, which is basically not working. Yes. So, if you want to say this person is not going to work or cannot work the job in this state, then the government will pay 80% of their wages for up to three months. That person then cannot work. And it's quite strict, isn't it? You can't even check your email. You've basically got to download tools. Yeah. But it's a way of avoiding companies having to make layoffs. Yes. When things do go back to normal, the economy can just restart. But those people are in a very strange place. They're out of the loop. And when people are out of the loop, all sorts of things happen. They start second guessing things. They don't feel as valued. They get a little bit suspicious. They're playing catch up. Are they someone that wasn't valued because they were one of the ones that were furloughed? All these thoughts are running through their heads. And more. But it's a very proactive loop by the government. Yeah. And obviously lots of different come up. Have you noticed in terms, if I'm thinking more in terms of social media and the number of interactions you're getting people, has it quietened, do you think, in our industry? The community is because of this furloughing that maybe the UK community is simmered down some of the noise levels? I don't think so because I think a lot of I mean, it must have done a bit. But I think IT is probably going to be less hit at the game with because a lot of those people can work from home. Yeah. And unless projects stop and less funding gets cut then they will be able to carry on. It's just a weird state. But, you know, I've been sort of embarrassed about the right word, maybe. This just the assumptions that you make from a position of privilege, I suppose that, you know, we just assume that everybody has a good internet connection has something now technically legally. I don't know what this is like in the rest of Europe and the world, but in the UK employment law says that it's the responsibility of the employer to provide adequate facilities and equipment for people to be able to work from home. So the company here is expected people to work from home. They need to provide them with a laptop or an internet connection and so on. But I don't think that's the case everywhere. And even if that were even though that is the case it happens so quickly. I can't imagine that many organisations were able to put that in place. But it's a lot of schools. If schools are going to be homeschooling has every household got the equipment for the kids to be able to be homeschooled or taught virtually, you know? And also, if you're working in high security or anywhere around areas of confidentiality you might not have the security in place to allow virtual connections from home anyway. You might not legally, you might not be able to work on that project or deal with that company from a place other than the security of the office. So it's not going to be easy for everyone, certainly. No. No. On a slightly more lighthearted note I I I was at the end of my email at the end of my newsletter I was trying to have something a little bit quite hearted. Yeah. And this time I embedded a video from Brandon Flowers of the killers singing Mr Brightside while he was washing his hands. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen that clip. I have seen that clip, yeah, yeah. And there's all sorts, there's Gloria Gaynor singing I Will Survive and there's Yorkshire Terrier basically doing something to make that boring mundane task a little easier to stomach and get into the habit of. Yeah. When it first, when all this first came out I heard people saying you need to sing Happy Birthday twice. That's how long you need to be hands for. And when we start talking getting our kids to brush their teeth it was to do it for a minute or something so we have egg timers or something. Yeah. That just makes it a little bit easier and that that concept of almost gamification of hygiene. Yeah. Which I just thought was quite funny. Well I think that's one of the benefits that will come out of this. I think we will as a nation I mean I'm massively hypothesising but if we do come out of this with a better sense of hygiene and everyone washes their hands for on average 50% longer that can't be a bad thing. No. And it's just it is about that kind of muscle memory the more you do that the longer your kids brush their teeth for the more frequently they do that the habit will kick in. Yeah because practice doesn't make perfect. No. Practice makes permanent. Yeah. So if you're doing the wrong thing regularly you just get better at doing the wrong thing. Yeah. I didn't realise for years and years and years that I was brushing my teeth badly because I was brushing too hard so I was rubbing the enamel away so my dentist said you brush really hard you've got sensitive teeth because you've brushed away I just didn't know. No. As long as I was brushing my long and well yeah. No matter how bedded that muscle memory of how hard to brush as well as the action and time that's where we say how even effective teams still benefit from external coaching because for all intents and purposes I had good dental hygiene but having someone who could see what I was doing and see the results of it and raise it back to me he held the mirror and I was able to refine what was to me a good practice. It is I think also it's time having time to think about it so the example I cut the law on yesterday was it today or yesterday it all splurs into one doesn't it it was yesterday and you know I thought you know what today because I've done this a lot now because I've got time to think about it I'm going to cut the law in a different direction so I normally wouldn't even think about it just going to autopilot cut strips that's the most efficient way to do it because I've done it a hundred times before but this time I thought you know what I'm going to do it in diagonals so I went at 45 degrees across the lawn and it took a bit more time and it was a bit awkward I faced a few more questions from my kids why are you doing it that way but I'm probably kidding myself I think I've done it better but it was just refreshing to have time to think about doing it differently and to actually try something different even though I might try it again differently next week but if you tried it differently once you'll try it differently again next time Did you learn anything from doing it differently? I think I think I'll let the looks I think it looks different it looks different and did I learn anything about cutting lawns probably not I don't think so but it's just if I was focused on doing it in the fastest time possible but do you think you were more mindful so again you broke up then do you think you were more mindful about it? yeah because I wasn't rushing it because you were doing something different you weren't just following no I probably wanted to do it better because it was different I wanted it to be better and I think that was a nice I like giving myself time to do that I like having the the thought the space to do that Do you know what caused you to do that where that thought came from? I think it was probably a little bit of monotony because I've done it I'm bowing the lawns more frequently than I ever have because I've got a lot of time at home to do it so it's probably a variety to break out of the monotony of doing it the same way but also I thought it might benefit the lawn it might benefit the grass the grass might grow better if it's brushed in a slightly different direction all sorts of reasons that I told myself to try and justify the time but I enjoyed it we talked about mowing lawns before check honestly we might have spoken about this before and I can't remember who ran the study but it was around students who learned things with different fonts had the font it was much more difficult to read generally better in their exams because they had to work harder to read it and therefore it stuck more I think there's that sense of mindfulness in that we're doing something different rather than just following the easy path that it probably was probably of a higher quality maybe it didn't cut any corners haha nice that we've done that talking about cutting corners it was probably I felt I worked at more of a sweat because I had to turn my mower more doing it in diagonals when you get down to a narrow a small part of the garden you've got to do quick turns more frequently than if you're just doing long strips so it felt like I was working harder but I felt I was more pleased with the result even though it worked exactly the same equally you would have had longer stretches where you weren't turning you would have gone corner to corner yeah yes so it should even itself out yeah maybe I felt you know I'm a sweaty man if you looked at my t-shirt at the end of it I was more sweaty than usual but it was a hot day so maybe that's why but I enjoyed it I've no shame in saying it I enjoyed cutting my lawn yesterday well I think I'm not making too big a stretch here but I like making this to our our teams because quite a lot of the teams that I've worked with especially given your your improv angle encouraged teams to do something even that they're doing well to do it differently to see what they can learn because it's very easy to get complacent 7 out of 10 but they could get an 8 they could get a 9 if they did something differently the risk is that they go down to a 5 and they don't want to risk that because we're loss of verse we can create the conditions where they're safe psychologically safe to try something different then I find it's a lot easier to build on something you've already got a strength in than to start with something that you're weak at you get 10% better at something that you're already 7 out of 10 at that's a lot better than getting 10% better at something that you're 1 out of 10 at yeah 10 at mowing the lawn maybe 7.7 now yeah but yeah he's probably still doing better but I don't think batter is always quicker either in my view so again in terms of trying to almost deliberately trying to find the slowest way to do something because you'll generally probably improve your practice by looking at it in a more slightly more inefficient way but yeah that's certainly the case we're going to go over the lawns and now we learn how to play yartsy today haven't played yartsy before that's with dice isn't it yeah no yeah we did that today did dice games today dice games and tennis was today okay a tennis court still open now we've got a little short tennis net that we can just about squeeze into our front garden just the dry in our front garden okay so we use the kids learning tennis balls which you have to really whack really hard but the day actually goes very fast yeah a bit of a camber but it was good fun and yeah I'll show you something else this is what locked this is a bit of visual clue here but what lockdown does to you these days this is a oh hello you have to describe what you can see Jeff for the way they're going to take he's got his instrument out I've got a big, big yellow instrument yeah I've got Scott, got the old trumpet out mate well they're playing the tune there you go I'm learning so one of the things we're doing with our friends that we can't see at the pub we're learning a talent or or relearning a talent that we we're kind of doing Britain's Got Talent over the Zoom calls on a Saturday night so I've got some practising to do but those are things that again if I didn't have the time I would never have got that out yeah so what was your favourite tune to play what was it well I used to play in a brass band so it would be things like I used to like marches a bit of Sousa Jeff Sousa googling American marches, Liberty Bell things like that was good look it up mate now if it is I'm trying to learn wonders of technology I'm trying to find an instrumental backing track so I can play I can just about play sweet Caroline and I'm going to play that next week but I need a backing track do you see Neil Diamond's video no, I obviously don't want for the washing hands thing is he yeah he says reaching out, not touching me not touching you washing hands oh that's good there is a lot of humour that's come out of this already that whole Matt Lucas thing as well and I heard on the radio just now Brian May a baked potato with Matt Lucas as well again this isn't this is very much tuned to a UK audience but an actor and comedian in the UK has basically released a a fun song about a baked potato which describes how to stay hygienic and stay self-isolate within the coronavirus and it's gone it's gone viral every pun intended but in a good way so now just about everyone's jumping on the back of that and doing alternative versions with Matt Lucas but no that type of thing is great for morale isn't it, it's great to keep people's hackers up so there we go alright there you go another one in the camp we've got a few more collaborations coming up we have a few we have to explain I hope we saw one but we've got more than one oh well maybe I think maybe we've got two crossovers yeah well certainly one one crossover and maybe yeah I'm not sure maybe two maybe three who knows but definitely one yeah so we're having we don't want to say too much now do we but we just ask people to keep an eye on make sure they're subscribed to get every episode these episodes are going to be coming a bit faster at the moment because we've got time on our hands to do them so are we going to have another opening social distancing on Friday yeah we might do yeah I think so it seems to be quite last one was quite, I couldn't stay there for the whole thing but the conversation carried on after I left I think didn't it yeah we had a bit of a lock in yeah and well I can't we've got name names Nigel got a shout out didn't he but in all the wrong ways who? Nigel, exactly one of the, Jeff did a pub quiz Nigel, I'm sure Nigel will be listening Jeff did a pub quiz and one of the questions was what was Nigel Baker's middle name how many people got it right Jeff? none no one got it right it was quite funny and the best thing was somebody said who's Nigel Baker oh dear I only wish he was there to hear at first hand but no, sadly not but yeah we do mission eyes it would be nice to see you in the pub on Friday if you're around but yeah hopefully we'll just keep those going while the appetite is still there alright maybe we could put a shout out for some topics things we're not stumbling across many things at the moment maybe there's some of our listeners have some questions or some topics they'd like us to address so if you're listening and you have a question or a topic you'd like us to cover then tweet at the agile pubcast and let us know yeah that'd be great alright everybody stay safe, keep washing your hands and we will see you again next week if not before cheers