 Hi there, this is Martin Hoxie and welcome to our latest alt community call and I've changed my venue if you've tuned in for quite a few of these calls in the past and I'm currently residing in Edinburgh University Student Union, so hopefully the noise isn't too bad and Delighted today to be joined by Daniel Scott Alt award-winning How are you Daniel? I'm good. Thank you, Martin. How are you? Not too bad, so it's Usually start these calls with kind of you know, what's your Background with you know, how did you first hear about the association? How you how have you been involved with Alt? When I first started my role at Banzer College as a learning technologist We had organizational membership And I immediately joined to the Alt mailing list that's supposed to buy just male So I was quite observing to conversations There was you know happening on there and I used to ask questions on there myself So I was quite passive at that point and just yeah, just kind of observing what was You know happening as such and then I think it was about a couple years later I was aware of Seamalt certified membership and I would be interested in Participating in that So I think I did I could have done me doing that at the beginning of the learning technologies role But you know you're late about fine or more settled into what I was doing and I found it a really useful you know Process to go through to reflect on what I was doing and what I'm doing what I'm doing in my role and my Organizational issue in my context and just knowing about what my specialist area is and yeah kind of things like that So it was very useful. I suppose one of the advantages of Not not doing your Seamalt straight ways You know you gain the experience evidence that you you can reflect on as part of that What were your kind of special areas within Seamalt that you you used as evidence I Can't quite remember now actually because it's been a while since I've looked at it but I think it was more to do with Online learning and activities, you know designing activities in online spaces. I think it might have been that Because I think of a time I was inspired by Julie Sammons five-stage model And I think that's one of the main things I've put down And I just like the idea of designing activities around you know that model and then using with it's a technology To construct these activities with yeah So obviously the other thing you've done recently is well you're the Oaks Living technologist of the year. How is that? You know has that changed? Life-changing event It has been yeah, I'm still really overwhelmed about winning it and be honest But yeah, it has I changed my life like say I think more people are aware of You know what I'm doing and how I'm doing things and and where I'm heading kind of thing and Probably more than they did before if I didn't you and So yeah, and yeah, it's just good to you know, I mentioned there. I'm an award-winning person and It's good that I've won awards as a team before but actually win, you know individual world and for myself. It's Yes, it's just overwhelming. So thank you again everyone who voted and you know, if you're nice comments and things on the day How did you find the awards process? Is it something you'd recommend to colleagues to go for this year? I would yes, I would have mentioned to that my penises and passive penises that I have You know, I said I would like to see them in future, you know submit some you know proposals for it And but I don't encourage it. I mean, I've seen it for, you know, this award so money for the last few years But to actually, you know be a part of it and it's quite special actually And I don't know I kind of did it the off chance to thought, you know, why it's the right time to submit this You know, I'm just finished you know master's in technology and learning and Yeah Completed other things as well. I just thought, you know, it's the right time and I just turned 30 other summer So just like let's just round it all up and go for this, you know award and just see what happens and turns out So you mentioned the work you've been doing with apprentices and that that was something that In your award, can you just give us a bit more background what what you're doing is Structured Right, so yeah the apprenticeship that we've run But I'll just talk about the qualifications first. So these are level three level four Diplomers in additional learning design and these are created about two years ago or approximately two years ago Because there's a skills shortage in the UK My research was conducted by a co less good curriculum, you know agency and Basically There was no like a particular career pathway in your learning. So it was great for that reason to upskill you know Eileen E learning workforce and Then you to actually build a career pathway because a bit like my role And I'm sure it might be same for the people's roles that you can like stumbled upon the learning technology So you learn you learn in designer, but now it's a career room And so the college a kind of college where I work and respond to well to that I see it fitted quite a few needs. It was felt like happening around the time and do more pressures to Get online materials to higher quality standards Because when it's more department it was made sense to have more people, you know Which end up in is it lean technology or you learn designer. So it fitted quite a lot of needs and Have the teachers and educators want what are interested in creating you learning materials and It's the usual thing. It's a time conscience that we're against. So having apprentices and free service within college Enabled that a good service So we employed a lot of female thought apprentices Under a company called elephant land designs learning company. It is internal, but it can be external as well and open to them and So my role is I'm a line manager apprentices So I think was like training them on developing their roles and responsibilities and knowledge and skills as new learning designer and learning technologist But what I did with that over the beginning and I created So I dropped description for level three, which is mostly around the or focused on your learning design a little far I've got your learning designing to it But more focus on as a learning technologist. So looking at the wider use of digital technology And say we offers apprenticeship to whisper. We're basically in him and yeah, so he's running a year in a day format So yeah, we'll start with them usually just a bit start a term until end of term next year In terms of training support And Can't offer Individual and group training and it can be what we used to do before when we had a few external apprentices as well They'll call each other days where it would run bit like a all term special interest group Where agenda was set by, you know, the apprentices and the external apprentices what they wanted to know and people would share good practice I would like, you know, show things and just encourage their development and We also use Sorry, I was I was just wondering is has working with apprentices change your own approaches to digital learning design or You know has you know working with kind of peers and it sounds like a very Rich experience that it doesn't work both ways. Have you have you learned a lot yourself? I Have yes and a lot about we're based learning and that is something that I don't want to focus on a lot more and Obviously that's coming from, you know, we can move apprentices and I've got quite well I've got a passion for education in general furthering our education such and obviously don't but Yeah, in terms of we're based learning Managing and developing apprentices. It's just giving you focus on where and how we can use your technology a lot more effectively Because I don't think it's kind of Not forgotten about but it doesn't get mentioned a lot So I want to make that a bit of a focus that could be a little niche of mine if you like So yeah, that's a focus and it's just changed your way. Oh It's not changed your way. I'm sure I think a specific example is kind of changed But what it has actually in terms of you know practice You know, I'm expected as a an assessor a practicing assessor Internal verifier to you know, use digital technology where I can and some of things for example. I use is Initially use Google sites for as any portfolio and Well, I started for the year before I got the princess to create run blogs And they're kind of like the coursework around that as well and some evidence around that but this year past year I created a central Google site with which I own and then the apprentice has got All their names like down the left hand side and within their names. They've got all the units and other criteria It's a bit like a grid really so it's got a lot of outcomes and we're all the criteria for units And then there's another column for evidence and what I expect our apprentice to do is submit Hyperlink or anything digital that they've done that meets the evidence so I try and basically The job description because again, it's what this learning is the curriculum So I wanted to and if all the evidence should be derived from what they're doing practical on the job So, yeah, I got them to work more ownership to work submit Everything they're doing on the job on to a Google site and then I would just pick that up and assess and That was a task there Also, you was a max off on Drive So I've all my feedback for apprentices on there and the learners obviously you was a one drive to start their documents and your work processes and tasks, you know Various bits evidence. So it's completely online. There's no paper involved Except, you know some tasks that we've been office math to be a paper based initially, but you know all the assessments online, which is good then also you was a Yammer as well as a Online community and both love feeling falls on there and we just share what I share links on there and resources to aid their development and again encourage our apprentices to share like Obviously, I think some things they come across but also to share images of the work. So it's been, you know, pure development on there Yeah, and so those are some of the technologies that I've used based on I've been a reflection on thinking where I cannot use technology myself I'm still constantly thinking about it and if that's what I learned and what she does as well It's come to keep thinking about where I can make this process a lot better and and I'm still an experience So you mentioned that Barnsley have And then how's company is that is that where all the Apprentices are doing their their work placement or the other companies as well And currently the base of Bartholomew College, we've had external apprentices before and we've got one at the moment So yeah, it kind of goes up and down we'd expect but yeah internal printers and external printers So so it's a mixture so in terms of the You know the tasks that they're doing then it can be quite broad then in terms of the projects that they're working on Yes, so some of the projects for the do so I'll start with level three for example They're more focused on like Queen E-Learning packages E-Learning objects So they work with tutors Queen bespoke content So that initial would start with conversation either telephone face-to-face or email Teacher would initially know what they want to pro-line or some cases I might not and then your principal Conduct like a meeting to go about what we're actually wanting to create a storyboard and create an example then for all kind of initial learning life cycle process and then Testing it and then you know action off the back with team with others and then yeah implementing it and then evaluation So yeah kind of all full cycle The little force kind of do it similar thing. Um, but again, they And focus on like learning technology so they'll work with members of staff and using latest things tools online services parts of model functions and Trails and things further And yes above do a model development. So making more visual more usable. Um, It's probably improving for all use experience of it. So downloading resources is plenty of interactive materials on there not just learning packages, but using and Exploiting models potential basically Active jizz is gone And we also do training with members of staff So a lot of fees are expected to do a lot one-to-one training and a little for the expedited to go training So that could be a group just a normal group of people or Full department And yeah, and all under my guidance and support So the training is there usually a particular focus is it usually Moodle or is it just wherever the the current demand is? It's on a variety of things. Yeah, most of it can be around Moodle But sometimes it could be about a new tool that teachers come across Yeah, so the online tools and the usual thing and could be You know turn it in as popular one of the e-learning systems like for a monitor that we use and planning each stream But what I've done for the last few years. I kind of conduct A college survey asking what you know academic staff are using and doing with digital technology To identify any like gaps and like training needs And basically what we need them to be honest, you know from us So um from that survey just identify a good training list and that's what I've done for the last couple years and Kind of what we're doing now really we're putting new lists together and then Um, I will with the apprentices on putting that training program out promoting it advertising it and getting staff to participate So, yeah, that could be a course like like I mentioned him online tool services and Moodle stream. Yeah So you mentioned that You've used different tools to to help your apprentices to you know You know gather their thoughts or it gather evidence um Is that um In the open or are these clothes clothes spaces? Do you do you find There there's benefits, you know, how do you well? I'll let you answer the question first Are they are they open or closed spaces you're using? Um, I'll say that Well, yeah the clothes initially obviously with the google site It's only me that can access that and the apprentices to get like a private link to it So it's closing that sense, but it's um not an engaging environment because the business is uploading evidence um And same with one drive for obviously documents evidence and feedback Yammer well, you could say it's a private network, but it's more looking obviously to you know, the apprentices they've got more You know flexibility to um, you know How do you want to want on that online space? um Do you see any Trends with them how they're using yammer is do they keep it very professional or does it get more social as well? Um, it's professional because that's how I kind of end up today But I would like, you know, I don't mind like humor and personality and that's always good. Um, and yeah Sometimes come across that interesting links, um and other resources. So that's fun. Yeah But I'm not just a change, um In their approaches to digital technology and workplace and they do seem to be using skype quite a lot for instant chat Um, you know shaming things. So it looks like I've could be moving towards that a very shortly and seeing what potential that's got in Workbase learning um Yeah, so that seems to be um happening in a moment So it could be switching from yammer and you know turning on to them skype It sounds like one of the huge benefits of The program is, you know, you The apprentices are getting that kind of professional experience. So they're They're, you know, understanding what what, you know, how to present themselves, you know, both, you know, physically one to one and Virtually as well. Do you think that's true? No, definitely. Yeah, the environment for, you know, learning obviously, um You know, professionalism basically and especially for your learning and learning technology Yeah, um, yeah, we're learning quite a lot from each of them So does that answer your question? Yeah, yeah So, uh, I'll just uh, if anyone wants to ask Daniel a question. Have you just tag it? And I'll see I'll I'll try and get that Um, but um, I just wondered Daniel if you had any examples of the the types of things that uh, the apprentices were were developing Um, yes, I could just share my screen and I've just populated a document with just some screenshots and I can just like talk through those I can share some more bits and pieces as well. So these are some Elan materials that the apprentices have been creating. So I'll just kind of skim through these. So you can vary from a apprenticeship handbook The usual light paper work they've got, they've got to complete. So That's one that would have been designed and it's been used Uh employer Employee rights and responsibilities again relating to a base learning Um, this was a very popular one nutrition in sports. Um, Yeah, um, it's one of my favorite ones as well I like the look and feel of that one is very colorful and engaging the straightaway There's a lot of activities in there as well C. S. C. S. The green card training instruction Health and safety cross college Introduction to the motor vehicle workshop Other um particular tools that they're using to to create these Um, yes, uh view mainly use adobe captivate Um along with other creative suite like photoshopping design illustrator. They've got um You know full control and creative control or what they do and like I always said to apprentices Um, you know, um, we have got creative control So no matter what the look and feel is as long as it has structure Um, and you know and flow and people understand it. That's the main thing But it's one of the things I try and encourage within them to um put with new ideas And what you might call like dynamic views of e-learning rather than like a linear view Which most of these tend to be So something I'm kind of conscious about on looking into how we can Take those from like a linear approach um You know to something a bit more Different and it's one of the challenges in this job, especially from apprentices. How can we take it from? um, you know Linear to something else Very visually appealing, you know, you know, there's kind of high production there um, it's you know, are they Sourcing those images themselves or is there like stock images that you you have access to or at their work? Yes, we've got um membership subscription to um e-learning rivers So we've got like We've got vectors on there images some here stock images and videos and bits and materials And that's what the apprentices used to create those Spending from into like Things like Photoshop and manipulating a little bit Another thing I'll just um show to everyone which is that kind of well anyone that is doing digital design Some plan that I've currently been um, well using in this last 12 months Before um, it was just a bit more of a course on the side which will working for me Which is something that I reflect quite a lot on Or to be obviously again around the job description because that is the curriculum. So anyway, um So it's all holistic. So all units um time with each other And yeah, it's around the job role. So as you can see it's just like it's like assessment plan It's like a project plan whichever good prior tasks there Understanding some new things because obviously at level three to be new to you know, uh teacher role And what you learn and learn technologies. So just some links there And then I've tied it around basically in like project tasks. So I'll not like kind of go through more, but it starts off with digital learning environment knowing the job role professional aspects um laws of distillation Communication and then it starts with in the adding model people are familiar with that. So analyzing like a project um task around that um design have storyboarding then into um development point all together and enhancing it implementing it creation And then some jobs that's outside the actual job role. Um additional things like web production there and using social media technologies So that's level three I know that skimmed quite fast on that. Um got my presentation later on and level four is pretty much same They just started well extending from the job role. So developing it further got reflective practicing there. It's new And it's going a little bit deeper. I don't be doing there um And similar sort of thing again it goes through a kind of adding model But this is more um level four introduces more learning theory um like gamification social learning um Yeah, you're learning models and more accessibility. So we're just going through that And then down at the bottom Additional tasks again, this is just doing group training And then just like an infographic on it safe online use Is there somewhere People can uh read more about what barnes league college is doing about apprenticeships So you should pay that please Somewhere people can read more about what barnes league college is doing ships um It's more information about All that view and it's an overview of the qualifications on the college website Um, but I do have some my blog posts because I do reflect on the what um What we pensions do what I do Um, so that's some my blog is working share links on that but it might be also worth looking at um the design e-learning uh network that Kind of like is it consortium for qualifications? There's some resources on there Um, and there's obviously with people that are doing these qualifications as well um So yeah, but I'm happy to talk to me about you know, you know further What we pensions do and again what my role is and how I you know, deliver it in ssc and the whole process I think we're we're talking about on bandwidth. I wonder if you could just um stop this screen sharing for A moment. I think that will help That's great. Thanks. Uh, so there's You know, we're always short on time on these calls. There's so much more to love to ask you Um, what what kind of my final question there and that's an opportunity also for me Um to plug the alt online went 200 with the calls for proposals Uh is open right now. I wonder if you're going to put anything in yourself for the Online conference this year. Yeah, I actually saw that and I've still got it You know to further look into because I would like to actually um, I'm just not sure what on yet. Um, but yes I'm very interested and um Yeah, I'll get back to people soon about that. Um, definitely want to do it. Um, just not sure what yeah there's quite a few things As our focus is on showcasing the the You know the best of learning technology. It sounds like you've got plenty that you could Share as part of that. Uh, but yeah, I appreciate hard to pin something down Said the call for proposals for the online winter conference is open until the 16th of November. Uh, and uh This is an event that we also ran last year And it's a great opportunity to see what is going on. You know the stuff that uh, you know Like Daniel is doing And it really is a celebration of the alt community Because uh submissions are only from alt members. Uh, but anyone can participate in the conference. So, uh, hopefully we'll see you Daniel Uh Some of the bits and pieces you've uh been to I'm conscious of time, uh But Daniel, thanks again for talking us through some of your work. Um And uh, I didn't show you time on the screen share but in terms of me using those digital technologies I mentioned in my work based learning like practices. Um, is it just case study on that? Um, so I've got my website somewhere. I think it's called rethinking. We're based on assessment or something What we can do is we'll uh, we'll share a reference to that in the uh, the video description so that If you want to have a look at it that they they confirmed it quite easily um and There's so many others that we could have talked about Daniel. I know you're also involved in alts in various committees Uh, but we'll have to save that conversation for another day Uh, and uh, again, thank you for your time and um, we'll Have your contact details as well the description so people can find you on your blog and other places as well Yeah, I'll pass you the details to our relevant ones That's great. Thanks very much. Thank you. Bye everyone