 Hello, we want to welcome back to enter the ether or the new podcast all about the upcoming third person MOBA ethereal clash of souls I'm your host the one and only man who's joining me as always is my friend and co-host jelly knees. How you doing jelly? I'm great, man Unfortunately, we were we were gonna have mud on this week. We're going to talk about um Things monetization policies and stuff like that, but uh, yeah, we Some things happen and we weren't able to do it this week. So that will be next week However, we did have something in our back pocket. What we're gonna be doing is we're gonna go through all the heroes or myths As that are called and talk about what alignment. We think that they are sort of um D&D alignment. I've never played D&D myself. Maybe I played once and it was terrible, but Jelly you're a DM. Yeah, you know games, right? I DM several games. I've got one every Friday right now So I love D&D been playing it for almost 10 years. I think so Yeah, right on So tell us a little bit about the alignment system. All right, so the alignment system is basically your characters Morals for lack of a better way to put it and your characters morals can be separated into nine different alignments We're going from neutral lawful good neutral good chaotic good Lawful neutral neutral neutral or known as true neutral or neutral evil Or sorry chaotic neutral then there's lawful evil neutral evil and chaotic evil and each of them kind of span over What you would do if you were in the middle of the street and somebody was robbing a store Are you the kind of person to go find the police? Are you the kind of person to step in and try and solve it yourself? Or are you the kind of person that would run in there and help them stick up the store to get the money and split the cash 50-50? So that's I think there are some oh 100% I think everybody a little bit thinks about it like I wonder like I could do that. I'm smart enough to go rob stores I think anybody that says they don't think about that is lying So I went through each and every myth and just kind of tried to work it out in my head What I thought each one what their alignment would be there was only one that really threw me off I think the rest of them are I've got them nailed down. I think I'm really curious to see what you think of the same myths But um Most of them I think are generally good. There's not a lot of evil ones that are there are some though And I think either generally good or generally neutral. So let's uh, let's just get get into it Let's start off with zero What do you think jelly? What do you think of zero? What do you think his alignment would be lawful good? 100% 100% all day long zero is to me and granted It's the angelic presence of zero that kind of makes you think this but also zero just seems like a good person through and through Always does the right thing to the tea is your your Upstanding citizen that would always stand up for the little guy would always step in to be the brunt of whatever's happening That's zero in my mind a hundred percent. I think just Looking at how he's designed listening to his voice lines and the little bit of lore that we've already read for him I think he's lawful good to a fault though. Like on the brink of zealotry like he seems to me like the kind of person that would That would flame an entire village just to get one criminal, you know what I mean Like I have no compunctions about it or like, you know, somebody got caught stealing some candy cut their hand off like Immediately no questions asked. I mean Maybe In my mind that kind of the burning down the village to kill the one bad guy is your chaotic good type deal, right? It's you don't care how it gets done, but at the end the right thing got done technically You got the bad guy congrats like the Avengers destroying New York City in the process of stopping the aliens Where do they really fall in this? But I I could see zero being like you said almost to the point of zealotry where that's exactly what he would do Is it doesn't matter the costs, but whatever he needs to do to vanquish evil that is okay at the same time. Yeah That's the way I see him, but especially the the ultimate voiceline that we talked about last week The you will be judged or whatever it is. Oh, yeah, that's a very Harsh line to give that I could make you're leaning me towards chaotic good now. Hang on wait now that I think about it I'm really considering he's good. I think he's just lawful good to the point that it's overstepping true Yeah, I don't know. That's very interesting Because the next one we're going to talk about is Dante. I think he's a great example of chaotic good. Mm-hmm Yeah, I would say yeah chaotic good or Chaotic neutral either way Kind of the yeah to me He's the he's and maybe that's partly because of the voice lines But he's kind of got that Deadpool type of attitude about him. I wouldn't consider him an evil guy But he's definitely got that side where you feel like he would do something questionable just Forgets and shiggles, but you know, it's one of those things Yeah, thank you. I mean if you look at his Lord the Lord that's been released anyway like um like he's uh He's fighting he's his father is in the client, but he's the king But instead of like being the king and like obeying the rules He just goes out and goes vigilante on people's asses Now I mean that's sort of that seems to embody chaotic good for me Like he he wants to do good, but he will do good Outside of the law if it needs to be done that way. Yep, absolutely the I Could see K I said now that you mentioned it chaotic good makes a lot of sense. He is doing the right things He's just doing them in a less than Conventional way, I guess is the but probably the best way to put it In a way that zero probably wouldn't see his moral not at all It's the Superman versus Batman type deal They both do very similar jobs But Superman looks very much down on what Batman's doing and Batman vice versa because they both feel the others doing it incorrectly Yeah, I'm gonna say this right now and people can hate on me in the comments if they want to Superman is the most boring fucking superhero Ever like he can do everything They just wanted the south to be represented by a superhero. He grew up in Kansas, right? Absolutely He yeah, he's so plain. He's like you asked him one a hundred years ago if you could have like superpowers What would they be a flight heat vision? Super strength and you are impervious to projectiles great. Yeah, you did it. You got Superman right there Oh Yeah Move over with our mess though. Let me not delve too deep into that one a whole different podcast about DC Grognark this is this is one that I had a little bit of trouble with. Um, I don't know What do you think of Grognark to me? Grognark is probably the closest to true neutral. We're gonna get in ethereal in that he is So environment-based in my mind And that he he kind of just cares about preserving life in general whatever that means if they're so great evil great good He just cares about being in that balance point the middle area and at least in my opinion of what Grognark is What do you think? Yeah, that's exactly what I came up with was just true neutral. He just He doesn't do things to be good or to be bad He just do's does he just do he do's things He does things just according to nature about to what's in his nature He's not governed by anything other than himself really so absolutely think true neutral for Grognark And I think I'll go ahead good I think a counterpoint and maybe this is skipping a part in the list But a counterpoint to Grognark would be Leah In that she I would say is probably the neutral good side of things But it is also a very similar vein to Grognark of trying to take care of nature and the environment around her and preserve that kind of thing But I feel like based on Leah's backstory and how she comes up. She's more on the good side of things than Neutral in comparison to someone like Grognark And she obviously obeys what she could say Yahime. Yep. She comes with the great tree Yahime or She there obeys it serves it in some way She's neutral good I mean my understanding is she's Yahime's vessel of some kind Kind of his energy channelled into like zero is the vessel of somebody and Talos is the vessel of somebody I Think that's her role if I remember correctly Okay, yeah, I can see that I definitely agree Leah is neutral good though. Yeah Um Acheron a lot of people always I almost forgot about acheron. He's he's actually one of my favorite heroes I don't know. He doesn't have voice lines out yet I'm not that I know of and he hasn't had much lore about him I know his lure, but I don't think it was ever. I don't think it was ever released. I Can't remember if it was on the website briefly or not Before they took him down Well, I can't say that I know his lore off the top of my head. So, okay Well, I'm I'm not gonna give any of his lore away, but he's lawful evil. I'm gonna say he's lawful evil which fits thematically If you look at his design as a character burning sword and such Yeah, that that makes sense to me that I'm not gonna look at him and be like that must be a good guy He great guy right there like that just doesn't fit and you hate to see it But like the lava sword or the fire sword automatically my head just like you're evil. Sorry. That's it Even though like every protagonist in RPGs gets a fire weapon at some point. So why are we why do we have? That's a whole other debate We could go on so many tangents. Oh seriously Start a second podcast just about the tangents This next one should be pretty interesting since it's two in one Two as one exhale. Oh, man, I think of exhale. I Feel like it's a little actor called me out for calling The voice actor for the shadow called me out for saying his weird shadow thing. I knew you call it a weird shadow thing. Oh Man exhale, I feel like is true neutral purely because both of his sides in my mind are One's good and one's evil. So it kind of they balance each other out in that regard Either true neutral or maybe chaotic neutral would be my guess What about you? What do you think? I? See I didn't even think of rolling them both into one I was think that that's that's an interesting point. I think as one. I think yeah, he's probably true neutral, but I think I think he himself is Probably lawful good. I'm not lawful good, but neutral good and but I think his his uh, His shadow shadow definitely came out of evil. Just K. I his weird shadow thing Definitely chaotic evil like it just wants to mercilessly kill and Destroy for like just the sake of doing it hundred percent also, but real quick I said something last week that apparently was incorrect and burb very swiftly corrected me in the Discord very he was like, ah, that's wrong Xcl is not afflicted by split soul affliction His mother was but what he has and what that is are two completely different things. Ah So I wanted to make sure that's cleared out and also makes him more interesting to me at the same time Because it's like okay, so this exists, but that's not what this is. I want to understand that way more now Yeah You would have to think that it's something called split soul affliction would lead to something like that In the future about both of those things flushing them out a little bit especially because I mean Xcl and Malaya both their mother had split soul affliction So it would tie in to give us a little bit more information maybe about that, but we'll have to wait Maybe that's not his shadow. Maybe that's just a shadow that has assumed his form I believe just I'm trying to remember desperately. I think burb said it is his brother That something happened and they are now one person Well one person with the shadow and whatever that But yeah, so separately I would agree with you the Xcl's good his shadows evil and then together they come they form some kind of neutral for sure I That's why I like talking to you jelly. You come up with stuff that I would never think of I try oh Nikolai Nikolai is another one another odd one. I would just call him probably just true neutral. I don't think or Maybe neutral good cuz he's a musician. Maybe neutral good. Um, you don't seem bad. He's a support You can't have an evil support. I mean, I guess you can I'll heal you with death. Yes, like perfect Yeah, I would say neutral good probably for Nikolai until we get maybe more information about him, too But he's he's a in this world at least a famous musician So in my mind, it's hard to believe that someone like that's evil Maybe his band manager is evil, but that's a whole other thing But for now, yeah neutral good's probably the best guess for Nikolai Yeah, I'm with you there with you there Uh Callia So I think I think I know this one. What do you think jelly? That's hard. I Think because of her voice lines It makes me believe that she's more of a chaotic good or neutral good type person Well, I could easily see her being on the flip side and just being like maniacal like Harley Quinn right the Like easily could be the voice lines are so playful because she just does not care about anything or anyone Which is a whole dark twisted thing Oh, I didn't even think of that I I just I just immediately tagged her as chaotic neutral, but um Yeah, maybe She's just happily plucking someone's eyes out And the voice line maybe that's the secret that's the hidden lore in ethereal They have the happiest voice lines and they're baiting us on the website with her voice lines and all that stuff It turns out she's like the worst of the worst in the ethereal lore. Oh cool marbles Oh my goodness, I would die laughing we're calling it now if that becomes a thing you have to credit us Oh Paris is probably rubbing her hands together right now. Oh My goodness Leah we talked about. Oh, this is the one that got me. This is the one I have no idea malware. I He doesn't he seems evil, but he doesn't seem to be Trying to be evil. It's like evil in the way that like a Bear that kills somebody because it's hungry is evil. You know what I mean? It's not like trying to be bad. I Guess I would put malware at chaotic neutral Potentially to me part of it is theming I think his theming gives him a bad rap and that when you look at the character You kind of get that evil vibe about him because this the cyborg eskiness of himself But I've never felt like he's an evil character in hearing his voice lines or anything like that So it's this like he It's a weird balance that I think that's why I would put him in chaotic neutral But I think it could go either way and just requires more information about him or something like that He seems like he wants to infect everyone But not out of evil just because that's what he does. Yeah, you know It's really hard to characterize something like that and it could be the same way of like a Priest wants you to join their religion. They're doing it because they believe that That helps you you become a better person in doing so Even if you believe that that church is horrible or that religion is terrible or whatever reason So I feel like it could be that kind of thing. It's more of a religious aspect for malware or religious loosely That yeah, I don't know But you're right in the way that a bear kills somebody is evil is a very good way to put it for malware I guess if you think the robots in the matrix are evil, then you think malware is evil Are you saying the robots in the matrix aren't evil wait a second No, they're not evil Okay, again a whole other tangent we could go down I'll just stop us right there All right, we're gonna talk after this podcast In the comments people will be dueling it out about matrix robots being evil or not Then we'll have the Superman Batman debate in the comments. We'll have robots and matrix being evil or not I can't wait. We'll have Khalia being evil or not. I can't wait to see what else we have the rest of this episode Hopefully more good things See Malaya She I couldn't really quite pin her down either. I think she's probably just neutral good Malaya to me. I feel like could be Chaotic neutral Because she seems to have some kind of Twisted aspect to her But I wouldn't quite say is evil, but I think it's it's one of those the she can't help but do bad things It's not her fault necessarily it just bad things seem to happen while she's around or that she's the byproduct of Because they talk about in her lore that she's Cursed she gets outcast by her tribe because of this curse she gets right so it's it's a very interesting that I could see her wanting to be good But not being able to do good at the same token She's definitely conflicted and guilty about anything. Yeah, 100% think things that she's done Yeah She seems like a very tragic Like classic shakes Shakespearean tragic hero and super edgelord like all the edgy people are gonna play Malaya to start guaranteed It's gonna happen And I don't consider myself edgy. I'm kind of a basic bitch But I'm definitely going to play Malaya first first chance I get it's gonna be the ethereal memes when they start coming out Is it's just gonna be like let me guess you're not an edgelord, but you play Malaya, right like Um, who's next who we got? Noxus Noxus I feel like it definitely falls in the same crap as zero Yeah, same here. It's all that talk about the light. Yep Thematically the light and it was to enforce it Absolutely thematically the light fits in in making her a good character But also to the point of like we said was zero to almost delitry where it could be nothing else matters Except for the light sheets. It's eradicating the darkness literally blind. Yeah Eradicating the darkness to her is more important than anything that happens on the way to doing so Yeah, the ends justify the means. Yep. Noxus Makes her makes her interesting makes her interesting Another one though that I couldn't tell us I I think like Los is good Probably neutral good or lawful good Because Talos is lower talks about how he used to be the shield someone shield bearer and Protected lots of people and that was kind of his whole shtick And then an event happened to him that he left his shield behind So maybe I'd put him more on neutral good now Where he used to be lawful good and he's kind of abandoned that Ideology that made him that way Yeah, but also because of I know and we'll talk about him I'm sure soon a Ron's backstory specifically ties into Talos and I think for me that yeah Pushes Talos further toward the good side of things thinking that Iran is on the bad side of things Yeah, I Agree I Agree So I guess I mean that leads into a run. We could just do a run. Yeah, Ron is next Oh 100% yeah, yeah Definitely lawful evil Lawful even where you can get yeah, like as all the way lawful evil as it gets he's the inspiration for other lawful evil people He means he's what you base your comparisons. Oh, yeah, how close to Iran is he on the lawful evil scale? Iran's backstory is that he was designed as a weapon of mass destruction to kill other people other of these vessels Which is why he and Talos go round several rounds is he's killed that vessel or that? Deities vessel several times before and so he's drawn to Talos specifically, but all of them So Leah zero all of those type of people Which is yeah, very very evil But but he's but he follows Something like he has there's a set rules. There's there's stuff that he does like It's not like exiles shadow that just wants to kill and murder for the sake of killing and murdering like Iran has a plan and his evil is going to satisfy that plan Absolutely, and he I think part of the thing that differentiates lawful evil to chaotic evil is Iran has people he answers to That he's got the people that created him that made him for this purpose He kind of answers to them in their own way Which kind of provides that hierarchy for a lawful structure in my mind Whereas chaotic is kind of just like oh, yeah, I just ripped this head off because I could like it's just That's that's just all it is And in his voice lines he refers to Legion which Legion normally implies the conglomeration of several different evil things into one but It I'm very curious to see more lore about almost all of these characters I think they built some very good baselines that they could easily expand on in the universe and make very cool interactions in there of Let's move on to the last one, which is a kaika and we have like jack shit to go on with a kaika. We tiny bit of lure So I feel like a kaika. Yeah, I know earlier. I said like fire bad, right, but I feel like a kaika is a good person in more in the aspect of like we talked about earlier in that He's probably protect in my mind chief a kaika is protecting his people. That's his whole thing. He's their chief who has I presumably fire powers Based on what we know about him that I think he's doing it more so to protect his people So he might do bad things in there of But I that's as far as I got for him. What do you think same here? I got I really ain't got nothing for a kaika I just the way the way people refer to him and the way he Like in other voice lines and a little bit of lore we've had for him We just know he's a chief that has some fire powers and Yeah, maybe maybe we don't know how he got to be the chief. Maybe he Burned the old chief alive to get his position. Yeah evil or maybe he was voted honorably into office Maybe fire equals bad is there for a reason and we're just supposed to assume a kaika is that is the epitome of that But yeah, I think that covers all of them So that's the ones that we know are coming. We do know a couple I think a couple I can think of one for sure God, I forgot to I forgot to go ahead No, you go ahead grace Yes, that's the main one. I forgot Probably lawful good We have yeah, let's we have less on grace than we do about a kaika, but I Feel like grace has to be lawful good. She seems like the combat medic if you've ever played overwatch She reminds me of Anna. She's got the healing sniper in my mind of that. Like that's what her whole deal is going to be I Will digress I have read her lore I'm not gonna come on. I'm not gonna throw my I'm not gonna throw my toot my hat in on this one Where she's an evil combat medic, I don't know I Not gonna say she shoots you with bullets. She then shoots an ally and transfers life across. I I have literally zero idea I'm pulling this all out of my butt And then the other one I forgot was Yara, which we haven't seen much. Oh my god. I saw Concept art for her a very long time ago. I Don't know that I could go to be along the lines of Talos in a way. Yeah But that's about all we know because I don't think we can I think there's enough to go one there to really make a Distinction about what her alignment would be Yeah, I don't I don't have I barely even remember what that concept art looks like to be honest So I couldn't tell you anything One way or another about it, but I feel like you're right is that Talos is probably a good bet for her Yeah, I think that covers all of them. I can't believe I forgot grace. I'm trying to think is there anybody else we know Oh, uh Owen That's not gonna be a character. Oh, no No, no, that was just something they um I Forget the whole story behind it But they had commissioned that artwork But they I don't think they actually planned on making Owen as a character because I thought we had a model for him But you might be right. I don't I believe you you have more information than I do so I Know they scrapped him a long time ago because his his like um, you have like chain shield Blade things that we're gonna just gonna be too hard to actually use Implement the game. Maybe they'll come back to Owen eventually. I don't know but for now. I know that he's Don't don't expect Owen any time in the near future The do that I want to talk about just briefly because we talked about it last week the malware is ultimate potentially being A like Revenant where he pulls somebody into his own realm and one view ones them and there was a comment on your video I'm trying to see if I can find who said it That's hot. That's a big fat gamer was it okay? That talked about instead of doing it that you put them in the same location That you just recreate basically like we were saying a double of the map that you then transport them to you basically make a cage Outside the map that they transport both of them to and they 1v1 while they're there Which I think is a brilliant response to that and you and I were talking to him about a little bit in the comments That that's a good way to fix that problem without having to utilize a crazy amount of extra resources Yeah, it's um What I say it was simple yet elegant Yep, and it it makes it easy it you don't have to double the entire map You just have to win that characters in the when malware is in the game assuming that is his ultimate We don't know for sure You just have that extra spot outside the map for him in order to transport you Yeah, I was right it was a big fat gamer perfect Yeah, I want to make sure give them credit. We didn't come up with that Yeah, that's an amazing idea Just really great Um, I think that's about all we had to talk about this week. Did you have anything else you want to discuss? Nope? I think that's it Next week's big We're y'all. Yeah, it's gonna be huge. We're gonna have much. It's gonna be great I'm gonna talk monetization. Not just mud in general. Yep It's always gonna be great, but mud will be here. Yeah We're gonna talk monetization, which who doesn't love monetization talks, you know Nobody has ever gotten upset about monetization in video games. So I think I think it'll be a very easy discussion No opinions anywhere anywhere among that. It'll be fine Okay, uh jelly anything you want to plug twitch stream, of course Yeah, twitch.tv slash jelly knees come in ask me what ethereal questions hang out always happy to talk ethereal always I literally do it all the time my girlfriend hates me for it Especially now that she's on the project because she can't actually talk about it with me So it's literally just me talking at a wall, but like what if this is the thing like oh It's the that meme of I think it's Charlie Day is the actor We're standing at the whiteboard with his hands out like that's me whenever I start talking about ethereal literally every time Right on I I got nothing to plug. So I've been doing a terrible job of these outros So I'll just leave you with a thought this week, I'll leave you with a thought this week There's never been a confirmed case of anyone being abducted by aliens or killed by a ghost yet There are plenty of unsolved mysteries out there of missing persons. So think about that as you go to bed tonight Well Last night it freaked me out And just be like hey, if you ever considered that they say ghosts and things aren't real but I don't know like I'm not saying they're connected. It's the give and see me and Batman in the same room together Yeah, I thought about I was going to sleep last night. Oh, that's scary All right, oh my goodness