 Okay, welcome to the Tuesday January 18th meeting of the Montpelier Design and Review Committee. I will let staff and members introduce themselves. Benjamin Cheney member. Meredith Crandall staff. Steve Everett member. Martha Snersie member. Ms. Pritchett member. Eric Gilbertson member. I will let Meredith review the remote meeting procedures and process. All right, so a good part of this has to do with letting people who are watching over the live stream on Orca media know how to get access to the meeting, but there's also some information for people who might be attending a Montpelier Design and Review Committee meeting remotely for the first time. So listen up. Okay, so first off, if anybody is viewing this meeting via Orca, you do have the option to participate in tonight's meeting. If you look at the agenda and see that there's something you want to talk about or have comments on, you can log in to Zoom using this link here. 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If I do get an email and can't seem to get somebody to log into the meeting, it means that the public is unable to access, then the meeting will have to be continued to a time and place certain. I will now hand the meeting back over to the chair. Unless anyone has anything to offer at this point, do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? I move. Second. All in favor of the agenda, speak your names. Ben. Martha. Liz. And Eric said, had to give his yes in there. Okay. And Steve. So the agenda is approved. We can go to the first application for 35 Elm Street for the replacement of two new signs. Is someone here from the from the applicant application? Yes, I'm here. Meredith Muse. I want to turn it up on the speaker a little bit. Okay. Hold on just a moment. We'll turn up the volume a little and then you can describe your application for us. Okay. Can you hear me? I can hear it. Okay. Is for everybody else is okay? Okay. Go ahead and explain your application. Okay. So my hope is to install two signs outside of the, let's see, I'm not for which end of the building it is, but the end closest to Langdon Street. And one of them would go over the picture window that looks into the business. It's an arch, an arch sign. And then the other one would be a small projecting sign that comes off from the building that you would pass under as you walk along the sidewalk. And I would like to call two lights that have shields on them so that they protect the light directly onto the sign that attached to the front of the building. Is the size of the sign conformed to their requirements? Yeah, the size is just fine. Okay. Meredith, are those two windows above? Is that an apartment? Oh, I'm not sure what's up there. The lights would be positioned so that they don't shine up into the windows but are just above the sign angled in toward the center of the sign coming this way. That's exactly what I was thinking of. Yes. Yep. And then the other thing I wanted to say is the original application went in that I was going to do it on three-quarter inch plywood and it seemed like it was going to be kind of heavy and my brother does, he's part of a sign building construction. He does margess and metal work and he said he could build the sign to look exactly as the sign that was proposed but out of a lighter aluminum material that would be so heavy on the side of the building. But the coloring would be the same? Yes. Yes. And then the sign that's projecting out from the building would be wood. Quick question on the sign above the window. How tall are the letters? I don't have the proposal with me but I sent a drawing to scale. Let me see. You hang on one sec. I'll go grab my drawing. My best guess is that they're about 12 inches. The letters themselves, the font is about 12 inches because the whole height of the sign is three feet. So the cap letters are 12 inches? That's my guess. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So the small lettering would probably be somewhere between six and eight maybe? I think around eight. Okay. And then this is the drawing for the sign that projects out over the sidewalk and that's two feet by one foot. The projecting sign, is that a darker colored border or is that the color of the material of the sign? That's a darker colored border. It's like a dark green with a pale green inside. Okay. Then that's black around the outer edge. You're right. Okay. Is the same border going around the larger sign over the window? Yes. Okay. And I'm assuming you're using these sort of like stainless button sort of hardware mounting things for both signs? Well, no. The buttons are going to hold the sign against the flat of the building so that it's projected out a little bit so it doesn't think at what moisture build up behind the sign against the clabbers. So it projects it out a little bit and then I had sent a photograph with my application of the metal hardware that comes out that holds the single. It's like a iron scroll work. That looks like a plant hanger sort of thing. I see. So the rod iron scroll work is going to be fastened to the building directly through that and then the buttons are to hold the sign off the clavards so that there's some space between the back of the sign and the outside of the clavards. Yes. So that my landlord asked so that we didn't get a lot of moisture build up behind the sign against the clavards. One thing you may want to consider at your option. I'm looking at the light fixtures you're using. It looks like the way that they mount they will be parallel to the facade of the building. You may want to think about because of the the spread of the canopy on those you may want to think about a similar fixture if it has a slightly larger gooseneck that aims back towards the building only because only only two for people walking along the sidewalk. So there's not any glare shining down on someone walking towards the lights from either direction. Yeah. And again that's a consideration. I mean that that type of fixture is fine but you may want to find one that has a just a slightly longer reach and angled back towards the building and again that will put more light on the sign and less light on the sidewalk. Okay. Yep. I'll look for something like that. That's a good that's a great suggestion. Again you want all the light you're generating to go on the sign. Right. That is the purpose. Does anyone have any other comments questions or suggestions? It seems like that's a vinyl siding that's on that building and I'm a little concerned about how you're going to be able to like mount your lights and the sign. I guess I could figure out how the sign will work but it feels like it might be nice if there was a way to put a like a sign band kind of block there that allowed your lights to like be mounted flat versus you'll probably have to cut some blocks into mount the lights onto anyhow. I'm looking at the one box that's kind of coming out above the door and the way that electrical mount will be kind of awkward on a piece of vinyl siding. So what you're suggesting is like a piece of wood that spans the length of the sign and out far enough to also mount the lighting to? Guess what I'm proposing or at least thinking out loud about at the moment would be to actually cut out all that vinyl and put a flat something back there like a sign band that would allow for your sign to fit there nicely and the lights to go on it nicely so that it felt like a finished product versus having the lights kind of like awkwardly put onto the vinyl. They actually make in the lumber yards carry them they actually make a block that fits a standard four inch box and what you do is you mount that box up under the the next row of siding so that it helps cover the block and you cut the block in you basically cut a piece of the vinyl out yeah and then that block mounts in and then they can drill through for the for power right to power it. At minimum I think we should you should be thinking about some sort of block for that for those lights to um and they sit nicely on and they actually make them to size for the reveal on the siding so you can get if you have three and a half inch reveal they make a seven inch block yeah or four inch they make an eight inch block and then the width required for your electrical box yeah. Okay uh that sounds like something I'll have to run by my landlord. Yeah I mean the the sign beyond sounds nice but I would think that if you did it you'd want to do it across the whole building right otherwise it would look a little awkward. Yes certainly possible but I do think that if you're going to install those lights out there at minimum they should be on blocks that allow them to be securely mounted to the building and camouflage in. Yeah no that makes them look intentional. Yeah is that what they're called blocks that is there a yes it's a it's a block that's designed to mount electrical boxes on a building that has clapboards okay and again they're available at lumber yards and some of the electrical suppliers carry them as well and they make them out of wood and synthetic materials that look exactly like wood like a zack or clear products KLEER and again you may want to check with the landlord to see what might be the best solution since there are a couple of options all right it's just that you can't really mount an electrical box on top of siding because the siding is so spongy and if you screw it tight it's going to warp the vinyl siding so again whether you use wood siding or vinyl siding you use these cut-in blocks for light fixtures okay and that's pretty standard the electricians are familiar with those as well all right and again that's you know whatever she whatever system she works at with the landlord is fine fine me yeah great thank you you're welcome any other comments questions or suggestions I'm good thanks not for me okay I can go down I can read down through the criteria for signs in the design control district the size location design color texture lighting and material of all exterior design signs within the design reviewed district shall be compatible with the building and structure of the site and surrounding properties that's acceptable where appropriate signing shall respect the original sign placement and sign bands on historic structures that's acceptable if a building has multiple tenants there'll be shall be consistency and placement and size among all signs acceptable it is recommended that sign placement be centered over building entries these are acceptable and their locations sign installation shall minimize damage to character defining materials on the building acceptable sign design color and typography shall respect historic precedents where appropriate and shall be the appropriate scale for existing and new buildings acceptable sign support structures shall be compatible with the building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves that's acceptable as well lighting fixtures for signs on facades of historic buildings shall not conflict with or damage the building's architectural integrity or cover or impact character defining architectural features that's acceptable lighting fixtures for signs mounted on all building facades shall be designed with appropriate housing shielding and photometrics to ensure there is appropriate lighting levels and illumination that focuses on the sign panels exclusively and again the use of a ghost of a goose neck facing back towards the sign will give you better lighting for the sign and less lighting on the sidewalk all in favor of the application speak your names Martha Anna yes Liz yes and Steve says yes so application is approved thank you um so Meredith the um because they didn't add any like changes to the application basically um I'm going to take this recommendation form and we will get your permit issued in the next day or two if they had made some some tweaks to the application with their recommendations I would have sent it to you and had you sign it and get it back to us um but it you know there's going to be some some ideas and options for you here um but I think we're are you putting on the block I'm just well both the block and the option to use the longer goose neck to concentrate lighting on the sign sorry so often I use you write that all in before you have them well I didn't have time to squeeze it in so because he is adding stuff in there in the recommendation block I'll just scan it to you and you can just sign it and then scan it back okay um then we'll need I was going to say we'll need a little time because you're adding the lights we have to do it administrative site plan report um just it's adds a little bit more time but you should be able to get the permit pretty quickly what were you going to say I was going to say if for some reason um my landlord is uh not on board with me cutting out pieces of the vinyl siding um then we've just dropped the lighting perhaps from the application yeah that's always an option and that's if you you're getting a permit that lets you do these three things right the lights the wall sign and then the projecting sign if you decide not to do one of those it's fine you don't have to come back to me okay and then um I'm just not sure what the next step is do do you all approve the work once it's done before I can be open for business or is this something that no you can I mean you can open for business without the sign um but we'll we'll get you we'll I will be in touch and you will get a physical permit um and we can either mail it to you or you can come and pick it up um but I'll email you with a scan of this recommendation form for you to sign or you can just come in the office tomorrow and sign it um and we'll you'll get a physical permit that lets you know when you can put the sign up all right terrific thank you so much you're welcome all right have a good night you too can I sign off now you can yeah all right thank you bye bye bye the next application is for 50 state street for Althea's attic LOC and by the way it's Althea ALTA yeah I think there was a lot of back and forth we got so used to there being in the Athena's attic and and I corrected it one place and I think I missed on this one and I'll return the I'll turn the review of this one over to Eric and Sharon are you there for the application I am here yes hello hello welcome to the meeting thank you hello everyone hi if you'd explain your application and what you plan to do that would be great okay um the as as they said the building I am at is 50 state street uh it was previously Salam boutique so we are replacing the existing sign with the exact same size and shape the new sign is brushed gold as opposed to the existing sign which is brushed silver and all new graphics will be flat printed black it will be routed in black around the letters and it will be trimmed out in black as well so it's a gold and black if anybody wants me to um share the images let me know and you're using the same mounting bracket to the building absolutely yes Steve I'm going to ask you to be a scribe with the criteria okay answer the questions and then I'll come down and sign it or we can do it electronically okay you read through and I'll just circle whatever you've got to read them I don't have them up in front of me oh okay number one for the does anyone have any questions before I read through the size location design color texture lighting and material of all exterior designs within the design review overlay district shall be compatible with the building and structure of the site and surrounding properties acceptable number two where appropriate signing shall respect the original signed placement and signed bands on historic structures acceptable number three if a building has multiple tenants there shall be consistency in placement and size among all signs either acceptable or not applicable number four it is recommended that sign placement be centered over building entries acceptable sign installation shall minimize damage to character defining materials on the building acceptable and masonry buildings this is not applicable number seven signed design color and topography shall respect historic precedents where appropriate and shall be the appropriate scale for existing and new buildings acceptable number eight signed support structures shall be compatible with the building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves acceptable and number nine and ten are not applicable there is already lighting existing at the location so eric i'll let you call for a vote all in favor eric says yes this is martha i say yes says yes and says yes so it's four to nothing in favor of the sign so the sign is approved put on that you abstained yeah i have it i i have to abstain because we own the building meredith you you have an electronic signature for me don't you i i do yes i think i can make that work with this sign it and go for it sounds good so um sharon this one this one and did end up not having any recommendation issues with it so um and there's no lights so we should be getting this permit ready for you tomorrow or the next day at the latest um do you want us to mail it to you or do you want us to just email you when it's ready and you can come in and pick it up oh you can just email me when it's ready and i will hustle on down there to pick it up i'm excited perfect thank you thank you so much thank you thank you very much thank you everyone have a wonderful evening you too okay goodbye i'm going to turn the chair back to mr everett okay we have a courtesy review of preliminary plans for a new memory care home at the gary residence for at 149 main street is someone here to describe the application or review yeah uh i'm tom bachman and i actually i just want to preface i have a i have to get in another zoom meeting at 7 645 so dan we will in our office will take over and down below you can see don stevens who is the executive director for the gary residence and rescue meadows and we just asked don to participate in case there were any questions or anything specific to um what you are in the gary residence and i don't know if you want to say a word or two just tell them a lot what what's up to you so i think most of you know the gary residence as the gary home may have been in montpelier we're a non-profit organization originally and still known as om fisher home is over a hundred years old and the gary residence is our flagship and we're looking to bring um continuing care to the folks that live at the gary residence and less few meadows and with that said i assume that the use of sort of the same kind of uh the preliminary package that we get some of them in montpelier yes that's so that's what they have is the preliminary package yeah um they i haven't given them any of the latest updates from brian uh and we have continued to develop this and when we have a formal application i think it's going to be similar to what you're looking at today but you know we're refining things trying to lower the building things like that so basically the project involves an 11,500 square foot condition that's behind the gary residence it is one level um there are some coding issues with the existing gary residence uh that we're trying to address as part of this project so adding a stair tower on the back of the building uh that connects to the second third floor of the gary residence to provide a legitimate second uh means of egress out of that building uh like the existing building not the existing building but the proposed building whose uh is one level consists of 16 rooms and there will be two doubles in there so we will be able to provide a memory care facility for in case you don't know the gary residence has 13 units of assistive living right now we are treating these as two separate buildings probably one of the most complex things we're dealing with in this project is floodplain issues the existing gary residence is in the floodplain and when you do a new addition new addition in the floodplain you have to be two feet above the floodplain so that means that the existing grade at the gary residence our first floor of this memory care facility needs to be 30 inches above grade so that means the the first floor of this memory care facility will be about 50 above the existing gary gary residence we are limited in how much renovation we can do to the gary residence because we go over a certain percentage of the value of the building we need to make them completely uh floodproof so we're trying to be very careful of how much money we spend at the gary residence so the uh i think in your package you'll see some of the i'm sure you're all familiar with the building you'll see some photographs of the existing building we are working with scott newman from 106 associates as a preservation consultant we've been on site with him he really doesn't have any big concerns of what we're doing as far as relating to historic building we do have a meeting um Thursday morning at nine o'clock with people from the flood preservation office and we're going to look at the project and you know in more detail look down how much difference in the floor levels are there between the existing uh first floor of the gary home and what you propose it will be almost uh 20 it'll be almost two feet higher how are you going to resolve that as far as access yeah there's an intern if you look at the floor plan there's an internal ramp that is you into from where you enter the building you ramp up to get into the gary residence and then you ramp up again to get into the memory care there will be um uh food will be provided or or prepared in the existing gary residence kitchen there'll be some upgrades to that uh ramp system that we're just talking about will also be the way to transport food up to the memory care facility so we're providing uh 18 more meals from the existing gary residence kitchen thank you the parking is basically we're trying to retain the 18 parking spaces we're working with Merida on some landscaping uh issues that we're looking at right now so we may have to incorporate some answers in that parking area but we are flipping the parking right now the parking is uh perpendicular to the inn at Montpelier uh it just makes a lot more sense and a much cleaner site but the parking just basically uh mirror it so the parking will be against the um sidewalk of the gary residence tom do you propose a basement under this new addition no we cannot have a basement because of the floodplain okay in fact we have to work with uh Audra in the city uh we're not sure if we need to do floodgates yet or whether we're going to be uh wet-proofing the link between the two buildings so we've got basically if you look at the floor plan uh you can see there's kind of a link but it straddles the two buildings you put it in at an elevation of five to four four five you ramp up to get into the gary residence at five point five point five and then you continue to ramp up to get into the management facility which is at five twenty eight there will be some sort of we don't know yet but some sort of terrace associated uh with the gary residence portion of the project for outdoor dining much like what they have now and it will be located just behind the big maple tree on the northwest side of the site uh we do not know a hundred percent sure what we're doing with the roof yet we have to bounce some storm water and the site is very tight we have to treat storm water on site as much as possible so we are proposing that we have some sort of a green roof on this building uh that is yet to be defined let me see what else can I tell you so the memory care facility we're providing an outdoor garden space that is self-contained it will be behind a fence or some sort of a structure because memory care folks will be self-contained in in their their facility and we want to give them kind of walking paths through the building and to make it go outside into the gary residence south facing pretty nice area if you look at the elevations you can see the two links that we're talking about but we need to provide on the second third floor the gary residence it goes into this new stair tower to provide a second west side of that building but we'll see but we'll also if you're familiar with all of the site that you're talking about the large stair right now you have to inform to all of this addition so we'll be replicating or providing a new maintenance facility at the eastern end of the site for uh the city on the north elevation if you look there's a uh a kind of a glassy porch we don't know exactly how it's going to be kicked out what that area is where the grant is the grant person there to get you up to the area and then up to the memory care the concept is that we would be treating that porch somewhat as a transition between the historic building and then our new building which is behind uh if you look at the typical wall sections and floating sections that we saw here you can see exactly what i'm talking about the flood plain issues so when we're walking along the sidewalk along this new building we're going to be about 30 inches lower than the first floor of the then at the very end of the package this is a little outdated kind of an image sketch we prepared for the yearly residence during this building study just kind of shows you the feel that we're trying to accomplish with this building you can see in that sketch you've got the historic building on the left you've got our glassy link that connects the fire the stair tower and then you can see the uh the concept of what we're looking at for the memory care facility as i mentioned as we're developing this we're doing everything we can to lower the proposed building just because just by virtue of it being the first floor being 30 inches out of the ground and we're great this building's getting tall and we want to make sure that it is for lack of a better word subservient or secondary to the existing care investment so we're trying to do everything we can to give the yearly residence the existing historic building kind of front and center and this is uh you know somewhat of a background building what would you uh a 10 minute overview uh just like i said we really want to just introduce the project we are anticipating having formal applications to the city sometime in mid to late February just depending on how things go we're still making decisions on a lot of things so just as i said we had our technical youth committee meeting last week with Meredith and many of the city representatives and it's the same thing it was to introduce the project here what they were going to be concerned about and that's uh that's how we see uh this introduction project so with that i'll be quiet how much does this addition add to the footprint of the building it's a 11,500 square foot footprint the existing the existing building is probably the time probably with the basement account probably about 12,000 square feet the existing building is three three levels yeah but um this this looks to me tom like it at least doubles the the length of the building yeah i think it probably does mark that you're right or maybe even triples yeah is that correct yeah i think that's a probably a fair assumption okay because we're limited to a one level here yeah footprint gets large that's what i'm thinking yeah and in case just a little background memory care it's imperative that they be on ground level i mean you you don't want memory care folks on some of the floor and that's uh one of the reasons we have kept this tom steve steve here because of the length of the building has and i see it looks like on the on the back of the building uh on the i guess the south side or somewhere near the south side south southwest whichever the south elevation showing it looks like a long section of some kind of fencing or something in the back has any thought been given to doing some kind of a uh sun shading solar array uh steve are you talking about the east side of the building the south south elevation south okay south elevation let me get to that the building's rather long which is fine and you it looks like there's a long section of some kind of fencing or something in the that dark area and i was asking has anyone thought of using some kind of solar array to give some sun shading to serve two purposes than that section of the building if that is accessible by foot yeah actually that's a very interesting question steve because we've got a meeting tomorrow with don and her representatives and we are going to i mean basically coat now requires the buildings be designed to be solar ready so we have to make sure that this can accept solar panels this won't have to be size for that we have to bring power or a conduit for power up there so we are going to discuss tomorrow whether it makes sense to at least get an alternate price to put some solar panels on that roof that would help screen we're gonna have a lot of rooftop equipment up here we've got air source heat pumps so we have totally uh total electric building so we will have rooftop equipment that needs to be screened and the whole concept of screening that with solar panels i think is certainly something that merits investigation good it might give you the same appearance and serve as a double function i'm curious what you're proposing as a siding it says masonry memory care rooms so i assume it's a masonry but it feels as though you're being very intentional with your with uh with how you're breaking it up on on your windows so i'm imagining it's actually something sort of panel and not bricks but i don't i don't know what you're proposing well i think what we're looking at right was that you ben yeah hi tom yeah we are proposing a masonry building but the appendages are the not the additions but the areas that aren't part of the main mass will either be a wood product or a fiber cement product but the what we what we're trying to do is we would like to have the actual resident rooms there it's a pretty clean plan there they flank uh the north and south walls we would like those to read as a masonry mass and we want to tie it to the existing very well so i certainly think that masonry is the appropriate material for the majority of the project but like in the memory care garden um where people will be sitting and walking and we'll probably don't do a lot of wood there just so that it is um friendlier more reminiscent of a house for memory care folks we want to make this as familiar as we can and we're trying to do the same thing inside and out with the building sorry dan i couldn't hear you i think that the divisions that you're seeing in the facade the masonry facade would be something like expansion joints so they might just be reading more evolutions i like i'd like all those lines there and i like the way they sort of register with the window openings i think they're really i think it's a nice modern move yeah and we're working now with the windows and looking at some multiple windows so i think those lots of windows that you see now at this point are actually broken up a little more and bring that scale down so those are evolving um i just wanted to support the uh your idea about having brick as kind of the dominant exterior material to to blend with the gary residence so yeah that's thank you on page a six it shows typical exterior wall assembly is modular brick with ties and we also don't think uh when we're talking about brick i don't think we're our intent is to match the gary residence but i think we would probably do some sort of contrasting brick i don't i think we want to definitely make this look like it was obviously i think that's fine yes i i was going to suggest that and what do you mean by architectural concrete at base is that like uh it's it's just not going to be rock concrete whether that's burlap rub or polished or some sort of scoring in that um we don't really know yet but we just think that if you're walking along the sidewalk and you've got about 30 inches of concrete we don't want just like a foundation even though we're proposing or we will have pretty extensive landscaping there i think to soften that yeah i think that's nice not having just formwork exposed but have something with a little more intentionality there i think is a really nice feature are you thinking about coloring uh concrete at all uh we haven't given any i don't think we've gotten to that point this may be a question for don um assuming everything goes well with permits etc when would you expect to start building we're hoping uh late summer early fall of this year okay yeah martha the uh the goal right now is to have this out on the street in july with hopefully starting construction in august okay there's uh you know because we're doing the flood plain here there's just so many stage groups we have to jump through and we're in the process of doing that right now if there's civil engineer and you had mentioned that this uh more hand sketch was to kind of get the vibe and you were talking about um some sort of green roof opportunity what i'm what i'm seeing is a bunch of groveys kind of coming down the side of the building um towards the back of it sort of cascading down is that um sort of what you're you're really thinking or is that um well we did this sketch ben we thought assume there was going to be this was going to be a really big budget has reared its ugly head yeah it does that i'm not sure what that means right now so that's something we're working with our landscape architect right now what's the best way to spend money that we've got yeah and actually i gotta tell you we started out with what everybody thought was a really good budget um but unfortunately covid has uh eaten into that a lot it's just to lend us cost increases from everything everything from every component of the building so we are just very very cognizant of every dollar we're spending right now yeah well for what it's worth i like the groveys and if it's possible to keep them in there uh i i like the gesture one thing we did talk about then if we can't if for some reason we can't have them coming down with the roof uh we've been talking to our landscape architect our landscape architect about some sort of a kind of an aggressive line on that building also not also fine but we want to have some green on this building yeah it's going to really soften it it's it's a tight site we've got cars that are close to the building so anything we can do to make people i think more comfortable as they're walking along that block uh we're really trying to achieve yep it's a very good intent intention actually we're we're just very excited about the project it's just we just really like these downtown projects and in my mind this is exactly what we should be doing with some of these open spaces we've got around you know behind buildings and uh to me this is just it just cuts a lot of boxes for environmental and the right location it's just it's a good project i think i agree with all that i'm it's very nice to see something like this happening in in downtown and being part of kind of that our landscape and for the client tell that you're serving i think it's a really really excellent project for the city so and i'm thankful that you guys are the ones doing the architectural work on it so thank you i i agree with what ben says i think it's a a good solution to providing that kind of facility in downtown which is important to continue that both for the tenants and for the rest of the community well i think one thing you know the city has to i think it's great that the city of quickly has been so this part of town so that it allows camps development so as i say in this mind in my mind this is exactly where we should be going to develop i know many families and residents will be thankful when this opens yeah it seems like there's a need it's cute you want to keep their loved ones right here in Montpelier but a lot of times that can't happen so you know sometimes the demand is much greater than availability of space sometimes it's hard to find a space anywhere uh that extended families had a recent experience and had to wait probably three months to find anything at all for somebody who was was needing something like this sorry my grand dog just arrived and my dog's barking so i didn't care to say anything does anyone have any other questions comments or suggestions or did tom have anything else to add well we hope to see you folks in a month or six weeks okay we look forward to having you come back great yeah yep i'm looking forward to it and good luck with the rest of your permits yes look forward to coming back thank you very much for coming for the preliminary review thank you again and good luck with your project thanks a lot thank you all thank you thank you thank you is anyone have anything else to add at this point or has anyone had a chance to review the meeting minutes from december the 20th i have steve and i'd move to accept them the way they are for eric seconds for both dates no i wasn't here the second date okay so this is just for the december 20th that's right okay so we have a second all in favor speak your names for the december 20th minutes eric martha steve yeah liz you were there i'm trying to remember i was thinking i i didn't need to review any minutes but um because i thought it was just one sorry no that's okay your name was on the list so yeah okay i wasn't that one then okay sorry about that well i haven't reviewed them but do you have a majority yeah we're good so you could just abstain if you want okay sorry about that okay and on the meeting for january the third do i hear a motion to approve those minutes or does anyone have anything else to add or change i don't know that i have anything to add they're complicated no minutes but i uh i accept them i'll i'll move it or second it whatever bend it okay so all in favor speak your names eric and and steve so those minutes are approved as well does anyone have anything else to add at this point or do i hear a motion to adjourn i will move that and i will second it all in favor of adjournment speak your names eric says go for it yes yes yes yeah and steve says yes so meeting is adjourned we'll see you again on february the 7th thank you all thank you everybody three weeks until next meeting you get a little break