 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa. It's time for off-the-press where we take you through the front pages of a National dailies and bring you up to speed with the big stories making the rounds Toonday Kola Wale a legal practitioner. It's on standby. He just a conversation in no time. Good morning. Toonday Kola Wale Thanks for joining us Merry Christmas All right, let's start off with the Paper this morning the daily Independent newspaper as always would be looking at some of the big stories on the daily independent The banner caption says patronage of POS deeps as customers return to atm others World bank cushions Nigeria gains hiking electricity tariffs and that's underneath the boat caption You are suffering loss of memory Obasan Joe fires back at Edwin clark Insist crude oil other resources belong to Nigeria 2023 elections governor mastery we affirm support for power shift to south Edwin clark calls out Lai Mohammed asked him to build bridges Says Jonathan flushed out Boko Haram from 14 Borno local governments, not Buhari talking about security concerns Attack on pdp congress in Zamfara assault on democracy. That's what the parties quoted to say Says no amount of I like to take the ride again says no amount of Machines will save apc in 2023 2023 presidency south east leaders and does aim And all set for Buhari to sign 2022 budget into law friday Mandatory direct primaries to costs or to costly for nigerians That's what the president says quoted to say And just before we move away from the daily independent another caption here says NCT minister shows on helping next Supermarkets regain footing This is some of the headlines on The daily independent newspaper. Let's move away from the daily independent and check out the leadership Newspaper this morning on the front page of the leadership newspaper South east political bigwigs eyeing 2023 presidency, and you have a picture to that particular effects I don't hate niger delta former president to lucia gunobasan jaw replies edwin clark husband two wives son die in niger boat mishap And fcta to revoke titles of 1,035 abandoned buildings and plots Justify your promotion. Ami tells new generals Direct primaries will be financial burden to parties presidency insists Says only apc pdp will benefit Presidents mohammed abu harry signs 2022 budget on friday And you have four months to deadline 11 pfas battle to meet 5 billion era Recapitalization now. This is some of the headlines on the leadership will move away from the leadership now And let's take a look at what the punch has to say. I see we're talking about the elections and 2023 you have the banner caption saying 2023 electronic transmission of results doubtful 301 local governments lack internet facilities That's on page two And you also find underneath the caption only 473 local governments have internet access federal government plans additional 224 local governments by 2023 experts say satellite technology can cover local government without internet Ina can use other platforms where internet is not available finder who's saying all of that, but this is some of the riders underneath the boat caption national assembly sends appropriation bill to bohari president signs friday hopefully and you also find federal government set to disclose 2022 marginal oil fuel bead round Disco suffer load reduction as power generation shades 571.5 megawatts and 15,049 Nigerian nurses move to the united kingdom in five years. This is according to reports I'm sure you want to find out what that's about away from that auditor general queries ministries 3.8 billion narrow spending from suspended RUGA fund reps debates bill to end Widow husband and brothers forced marriages That's also another headline you find on on the punch news people this morning And so you're looking at it just before we move away Ayadeh months as ex-senate president wires Widow's dies in the united kingdom emo kicks as Okawaches son-in-law tackles uzadima and false arrests Well, this is some of the headlines on the punch. Let's move away from the punch newspaper this morning and also check out the nation newspaper not the nation newspaper of the banner caption All belongs to Nigeria not Niger Delta says A former president to lushegun Obasan Joe might just be dominating All of the headlines and that's generating a lot of conversations across board ex-president tackles edwin clack a bn o grudge against region Outrage in Nigeria others as Push oil price to 80 barrel You have that per dollar. That's also another caption you find here ex-president guilty in mother of nine Nigerians COVID-19 wh o can meet 40 global vaccination target Biosas peel aprop well-head leak impossible without interference experts actually insist Well, so I was accused of supplying amps to militants And the palace two vehicles touched after Oshun carnival This is some of the caption you find this morning on the nation newspaper But we just head straight to the conversation now and starting with the big story now We have to Nikola Wally who joins the conversation once again. Thank you for being part of the show this morning. We appreciate Thank you Okay, so um, let's let's get your reaction on, you know, the big story that's dominating the papers the papers this morning all wells Belongs to Nigerians not just the nail Niger Delta according to the former president lushegun Obasan Joe What are your thoughts on that? Wait there on this on this list again I will not have inspected If you look at the To update The issue of oil leaks Of the data system Technically speaking And under the law This is obasan Joe Is merely The statement of the odds If you look at the 1923 constitution Which most people are clamoring for its return And if you also look at The 1999 constitution As amended that we are practicing today You will find out That oil is on the exclusive legislative list And whatever is on the exclusive legislative list Is under the domain of the federal government And whatever is under the domain of the federal government Belongs to all Nigerians out there Oh The state The local government Cannot legislate Cannot take any action Cannot appropriate the oil On their own Without The concurrent of the federal government So if this is the case We could say That President of the Czech Republic of Georgia Is right But What about the position of equity You and I do know That even though the whole Nigeria Has been exploiting this oil resources Since 1959 The people Under whose soil The oil has been dug out Or it's been drilled What have they been hesitating from it Their environments are being polluted Gas is being flared Pushing enormous heat In the atmosphere Their lands are not developed They are not drinking water And all manners of diseases Are rampant in places Where oil is being prospective So if that is the case Should we as a nation Not admit And be implementing laws That will ensure That the people of the Niger Delta Derived a critical benefit From the oil that is dug from their ground Not let them do that We have been persecuting them We have been sending soldiers to them To kill and maim their people When they protest against environmental degradation You will remember Our Nigeria Who are they They're with Kansai Uiwa A native of Isogoni A competitor Whereas That ought not to have a right Say for example If we have made sure We build good schools in the Niger Delta We provide free accommodation To all the people where oil is being prospective We make sure that they are drinking water Some of the agitations that we have in the Niger Delta today Will not be there So I will conclude That President Ushakopas is just a statement Even though they may be right He's either insensitive And totally uncalled for From an other statement like President Ushakopas or so No way I'm flammable No how touchy All the people of the Niger Delta Faced with regard to injustices That have been done to them With regard to the way that they've been taken Away from under their soil All right, let's also look at the daily independent news before this morning Mandatory direct Paramaries too costly for Nigerians That's what the president says saying Do you think that we probably might just get over it Because this particular clause Might just be, you know Be a serious delay for the passage of that particular bill And which might not allow us to You know, enjoy the benefit of electronic transmission of results Come 2023 The issue of direct primary For me I would think It's been blown out of proportion Why do I say this The National Assembly people That propose this direct primary thing What they're doing is We are not too strict Purpose Are they doing it for the benefit of the abled immigrant voter The answer is no They are proposing the direct primaries The cause The governors Have only been a hindrance To some of them seeking the lecture They have proposed the direct primary To cover the accesses Of the Godfather As they set on the local level Who impose candidates on the party In spite of whether the candidate is popular or not So that law In my own opinion Is a law That has been made From the background Of an enlightened type of interest It is meant to benefit The people in the National Assembly And the people in the respective Houses of assembly In the state Furthermore I want to say That the president In the way Is right In the position he has taken But Why do I say this I say this because Occasionally under the law How the party choose their flag bearer To be the businesses of the parties It's not a thing that you begin to Make a law about It's not a thing that you begin to Put into the electoral act After all All the parties that we have in Nigeria To this Have Laws and guidelines As regards how the flag bearer Of their parties could be chosen Under Their constitution Some have their race primary Some have concept of candidates Some have the technical system And we want to think That it is what best suits Any of All the particular political parties That is the method that they should adopt In choosing a flag bearer But with the president You could also ask His refusal to sign a law I mean that's being told Is it being done With the perspective of improving Of electoral act The answer is no The president's position is also self-servant He is doing it With the purpose That We will maintain the status quo We will maintain the status quo That the Godfather Will continue to dictate to us Who gets the flag Of a political party And who doesn't get it The president has learned To call a bloke A bad name In order to hang it I also emphasize That this direct primary thing Is not a new thing to us You will recollect That during the primary Between And the president The direct primary Was used in Lagos Did that direct primary work The way it should work The answer is no The party with big weeks The party Godfather Those who have the party in their hands Dictated Those who have access To the party The political And they also dictated Which party member Asked his name on the party register They also dictated Who is giving a valid box To be able to vote on the primary So what I emphasize From this is Whether you use the direct primary Whether you use the consensus candidates Or whether you use The delicate system The Nigerian political class As we were frustrating Whatever methods Whatever system Whatever choice you have chosen To select the flag bearers Of any political party in this country And the reason for this Is not far-fetched They don't want the political system To work smoothly And seamlessly Because any time Our political system Begin to work smoothly Most of the people Most of the people I repeat That you have the most of these Political offices We never take political power again In this country Because they are neither popular Nor wanted by the people They are imposed on the people Not just by the Godfathers But by the private armies That the Godfathers have also established The enforcers Those who insist That must get the party flag Almost be the party Flag bearer And the private armies of the politicians Impose these people and people Where they are unable to impose them They make sure That they disrupt Whatever system or whatever primaries Are put in place So take place in the stronghold Of their political opponent So it is left to the Let's have a look at some of the Let's also look at Another issue as well Because it has to do with the 2023 elections The electronic transmission of result That's according to the punch now Electronic transmission of result Doubtful as 301 local Government lacks internet facilities Don't you think At this point in time we probably Should have moved away from Some of these kind of excuses That we're making right now About having result Electronically transmitted In 2023 That's another lie They are telling the Nigerian people Who look beneath it That are far back as 1993 Nigeria Has been transmitted A natural result A natural economy You go and find out The election that the president Of All the later Even clear the other world Most of the results are transmitted Electronically If as soon as the results are completed In the different voting booth They are sent to an internet server In Abuja And the server automatically Calculates the results And it is displayed On TV or in a computer That is mounted Outside the iNEC office In which all journalists Or whoever is present and all the party leaders Have access to So I was surprised That In 2015 or the other INEC was telling the Nigerian people That they have no servers That they cannot transmit results Or that the 2015 results Were not transmitted Electronically And then the One they are saying now That certain local governments Don't have internet services and whatever That is another bogus life If it is not through the internet alone That you can transmit Electronically results I'll give you an example Do you know that the Nigerian army Do you know the Nigerian police Do you know the Nigerian navy Do you know that the Nigerians Say no Those who The ships and water They have the way of communicating Without going through the internet services They use the radio system If we have accepted That we want to transmit Electronically results We could use it to write That is the satellite telephone system To do it We could also ask the army To make their facilities available To us To transmit the results Because the army communicates Without using the conventional methods And there are so many other methods On social media And not a platform That can be used to transmit this results The truth of the matter is that Since the ABC Came to power They have never organized Any free and fair elections They have never been trusted In any free and fair elections And they will never be interested In any free and fair elections So long as they remain in power Look at all the local government That the ABC says Have conducted So we'll look under the local government To the color To the color Yes So now that Where we are now Giving his ass into the bill And it therefore means that If with the whole Logistics sending it back And then it comes back There might just be a delay of time And it might just leave us falling back To the electoral act of 2010 Which would also keep us in the same position Of not being Given the backings The legal backings To have results transmitted Electronically And we can do to get out of this phase And do you see a possibility of us Legally having the legal Backings To transmit results Electronically No I don't think so If we are going to have that It means that The National Assembly Would have to monster To thought of their members To override The President's assent Or once The big gets back to the National Assembly And they have to to thought majority And they debate and stay positive To the law That bill automatically That electoral act Automatically becomes law In which the signature of Mr. President Is no longer required But Taking into cognizance The antecedence Of the President National Assembly In a robust stance Of the executive arm of government Would they have the political will To override the President's assent The answer is no What I suspect Might happen Is that those provisions That the President says is not happy with They will remove them They will expunge them From the new electoral act And then pass it back To Mr. President To sign into law The contentious area Like the direct primary Electronic transfer of results and work They will take all those arms out And send the bill back to Mr. President To sign And he is most likely to sign that Because that is in tandem With his own perspective And in 1977 So to say As he gets what he wants to see happen In 2023 It might be That the Nigerian civil society The Nigerian labor And then the other political parties Can lobby And begin to put pressure On the National Assembly To override The President's assent So that's it But like I said They have never, the National Assembly Have always never had the balls To confront the President When it comes to issues Such as this Mitchell Okay, let's also look at Another issue right here And that's on the leadership Where Generals have been asked to justify Their promotions And that should translate to We seeing results The entire country being secured Against All of these criminal elements The Army Generals Are they? Yes I saw the list of promotions And I'm one of those Who is always careful To condemn The servicemen Because of the enormous Sacrifices That most of them are making To make Nigeria secure Army Generals Are being killed In this war against Boko Haram The ordinary rank and fight Soldiers are being killed All these people have wives They have children They have relations Who are dependent on them They are dying in a war Which they never Contributed Into creation They are dying in a war That they know nothing about So to that extent I think by and large They have done well If it's a political class That I would say That have failed Hopefully The Nigerian Army And the security people in general With regards to The winning of this war Why do I say this? That's the number I've emphasized Army Generals alone Don't win wars Go and check all over the world Army Generals alone Don't win wars And machineries will never win Any war for you In most places that are war War has been war In a very decisive manner It is the civil society I Some Thinkers in the society Usually will team up With the general So divide ways and means Strategy and tactics To win the war Say for example during the world war The political class Approach al-Bashez-Stain How can we win this war decisively? And al-Bashez-Stain Assembled scientists and others And they came up With the atomic bomb And immediately the atomic bomb was dropped On Hiroshima and Nagasaki That was the end of the war Japan surrendered The armored forces looked at the surrender When you also look At the history Of the war between The Soviets, you know And the West And especially the legal people It was a stormy, it was a stormy And Leon Trotsky Who were not Army Generals That led the offensive That divides the strategy and tactics That led to the winning of that war Also look at the Nigerian Civil War It is of course a Miahoula war That divides both of the strategy and tactics That led to Nigeria Or that made it possible For Nigeria to win that war Without borrowing the cover To finance the war But with that as it may I will also say I'm not too comfortable With the performance Of the Army Generals Despite the fact That they are making Enormous sacrifices Why do I say this? Nigeria today has no business Importing bombs Because it is the Bukurampu Manufactured bomb And they are using it And it is effective They don't need to use it To kill a soldier But now Nigeria should not be Also look at the AK-47 That cost almost About 2.5 million Naira so far Nigeria has no business Importing any bombs The blacksmiths They may say In some of the eastern states They manufacture the AK-47 Which is very method Which is effective Which also uses the conventional ammunition That importers the AK-47 Use Secondly By now I would have expected The Nigerian Army To say we are testing I would have expected the Nigerian Army To display Short-range missiles That the scientists have been able To invent and manufacture But they are not producing Any arms and ammunition We don't see any genital creativity In making sure That this country does not defend On the position of all the arms And ammunition Also You remember the Nigerian Civil War It was a man who was here Who put a group of scientists together That manufactured What we call the Ubu Nubi Which is a missile Which the Piafra was using against the Nigerian Army A man who was here Who is an engineer He had the technology Most of the scientists That he worked with Some of them are still alive Why can't you call the man To come and give Their expertise That he has With regards to manufacture and production Of arms and ammunition Also During the World War What the Russian people did Was to reconfigure Some of their industries That were producing civil goods Into Industry Into manufacturing industries That could produce arms and ammunition We can also do that In Nigeria Because in the automobile industry In the same motor And then the Assembly plants in Shaga That produce these Amor vehicles That can be reconfigured To produce most of the arms and ammunition That the Nigerian soldiers Require to use Against the Bukwala But the generals are not moving in that direction They want to be imparting All these arms and ammunition With the purpose Of probably Reaching themselves With the purpose Of probably using the opportunity To siphon money outside the country And what are used to buy houses And other luxury goods In those places So In terms of sacrifice The armies have made the normal sacrifices But in terms of creativity In terms of ingenuity In terms of determination To win this war Recover time And with minimal cost With minimal loss of life Our generals haven't demonstrated Any ingenuity at all Mr. Kola Wali, I'm sure That the generals would be able To hold the Nigerian government Would figure out why it needs them To prove Their worth and the reason for their promotions And the likes Will continue to encourage the Nigerian army As much as we can Good morning to you and good morning To our viewers also. Let's move over To something on the punch this morning That talks healthcare 15,049 Nigerian nurses Relocated Moved to the UK In five years That's from a report. 15,049 Nigerian nurses Moved to the UK in five years To Mr. Kola Wali, how much of a problem is that? It is a tragedy For the Nigerian nation First and foremost I see it as Another Second slavery There are those people who will be Welcome in there They will render services But never Will they be assimilated As a British citizen They will forever remain second-class citizens There will always be a boundary Beyond which they can never cross That is one Secondly Look at the amount of resources Look at the time That is used to train a medical doctor That used to train a nurse That used to train a veterinarian A doctor Look at how long it takes And then After you have trained them They now immigrate to some other country And begin to use their expertise To develop those other countries No country Who will sit by And what that kind of brain drain Affecting it on its daily basis You will recall that When Covid was started The British and the Americans Changed empty planes To Nigeria here To come and carry nurses To come and carry medical doctors To come and carry veterinary doctors With the aim that When they get so British As some of this country They will regularize They will keep them this far I think it was the federal government That started that program But after they have started the program The nurses and doctors Have been finding some other ways To go to some of these countries This is a tragedy on our part It's a thing that we choose Not have enough to offer But can we stop the young people From Traveling abroad When we are unable to give them job here You will recollect There was a medical doctor Who was driving Uber The whole medical doctor He was driving Uber And some young people Hired him And in the process of him Taking them from one place to another They attacked this doctor And killed him Somewhere in a better there He that doctor has been our daughter And he has gotten a job Outside the country We would have discouraged Him not to go The answer is no So these doctors and nurses Are immigrating These are self-inflicted programs This we have made our health system To operate At the international standard level These doctors, nurses And veterinary doctors Wouldn't have been living in a doctor I have given this example before I am happy to give it again The United States of America The United States of America Is not free to in Nepal Most of the princes The kings of Saudi Arabia They used to come to the battle for treatment They weren't going to prison They weren't going to the US They weren't going to Germany It was the battle here They were taking their treatment So what happened Between that time They were taking their treatment in Nepal And the present times in there We allowed the health system To deteriorate To zero level That nobody again Wanted to have anything To do with us Most of the expertise have left So If we are going to be stopping These young people from immigrating Remove just Up our antics Raise the standard of our health system Make the doctors Make the nurses Make the veterinary doctors Very good money Which is their path With what they could wear in anywhere in the world And then you will be strong They won't have to leave the country again You also have to provide security Because security is very very important Who is secure in this country again To say This particular question you have mentioned I am also a victim The only doctor that I have Is on his way to Britain Is in giving a job over here All the prison that I have made To her All the pressure I put to her That she should stay in here And develop the country That these people have not stayed back In Britain In the US In Germany So develop those places Who she have had a place to go Who she have had a combat spot To go and walk But the young lady Has simply told me That that is nothing to do with reality But the reality of today Is that we the young people Want to walk In any country In any society Where we are guaranteed safety A decent job And then put standards up there To leave it Even though she is on the government That our system runs the way It is run In the other different parts of the world To Nikolao There is also something on the Daily independent top right corner That says 2023 elections Governor Masari reaffirms Support for power shift To the south So quickly share your thoughts on that one And how much importance Will that aspect be In the build up to the elections With regards if the north Continues to hold power If it comes to the south Or if it even goes to the south east As has been spoken about before On this last weekend I wonder Of those two beliefs In this power Special thing I do know That certain people And certain sessions of the country Are disadvantaged To holding Or having access To some of these plump jobs That we have in the country But the truth of the matter is that A nation That aspires to develop A nation That aspires to catch up With the rest of the world In the area of science, economics Politics Infrastructure Will not be talking about the rotation Of presidency Or any job for that matter You will be looking for your best hands Your best brain Your best mind Your most agile individual To step into Some of these culture posts And begin to turn things around For the benefit of all Nigeria Whether they be Igbo Whether they be Ausa Whether they be Fulani Whether they be Kanuri And not be thinking That it should be a Yoruba man It should be a Kalabari man In the past What's different As Genelusha Gwabasa does Mere to the life of the Aboriginal and Yoruba person Having helped for our two times What's different As Dr. Gulo Jonathan Mere to the life of the people Of the Niger Delta Having the president for almost What's different As Wari made To the life Of the people in the north The north is today breathing On that Wari So if it is a matter Of Rotation of presidency And some of these other Officers and all that That assumes that when the Section of the country catches They will prove a lot of their people The disadvantage Of the other sections of the country That again Will be again the spirit And letters of the constitution Will say No sections of the country No men or women No child or adult To be discriminated again On the basis Of the section of the country That it comes from All the background of its That which is shown This primordial Attitude Of saying let it be Let it be Yorubatong Let it be Botong Let it be a Kanuliman store It has not served those ways And it is not likely to serve us At all If there are people who are Disadvantaged What we should do Is to make sure When anybody is a president We should ensure That all the amenities Are equally And evenly Distributed among all Nigerians We should have a benchmark For education for all Nigerians We should have a benchmark For good health facilities For all Nigerian people No matter where everybody may be In this many parts of Nigeria We should have a benchmark For adequate housing For all Nigerians Whether they be Kanuli Yoruba or Kanabari Absolutely We should have a benchmark For infrastructure We should have a program To develop the railways system To live on our major cities Whether the cities be in the south Whether it be in the north Whether it be in the west Whether it be in the middle belt Where I think That is the direction In which I think we should be moving Alright, thank you very much And of course I'm sure there's a lot of people Who also agree with your perspective on that But we'll have to wrap up here Thank you so much for your time this morning And we wish you a very Interesting day ahead Thank you for having me You have been lovely with me You too And best wishes to my sister there Thank you for joining us Stay with us, we'll take a short break And of course share with you what happened On this day in history Many years ago, we're going back to the year 1985 To talk about a railway Rapist As he was popularly called back then And right after that our first major conversation Kicks off