 Hello everyone. What's Hiker? Welcome to the Hiker podcast. Does? I wonder if that's format. Japanese characters. But it looks like it's Korean or Korean. With the big symbols on the side. Anyway, let us know if you are able to hear us okay. I'm just impressed. We got two likes already. We got one person watching and we just started. Hey Mark. Hello. FOMAT. Oh, so FOMAT is not the guy. Someone else. Wow. I have no idea. Got another member. Woohoo. That's awesome. Yeah, I actually, I thought it's you when you changed your name FOMAT. Was that the Hiker one? We got another member. The whole thing is green when it's... Yeah, it's got a little... I have so much to learn about how all this works. The windy there for you guys. It's a little windy here. Or I mean... But I was just, if I can talk about what we eat when we are backpacking outside. So that's what we're gonna talk about. And still here. Yeah, it's pretty windy. That will block it. What do you think? Oh my God. They're gonna come... We're doing all of the customizations here and moving and shifting things around in our community. Man, it's... I don't think I've done the best job yet. Let's see if we make this closer. Even worse. You guys don't know this yet, but I hope it won't catch that thing on fire. We'll just go ahead and start. If it's too windy, just let us know and we can see what we can do. And if you see a big pillow fall over on you, then I've not improvised very well. I kind of want to show you what's happening here, but it's a big mess. Like, we shuffled everything around our community. If someone sees us, it's gonna be like, what the heck are you doing? But anyway, so we're talking today about food. We're talking about food on the trail, what we eat when we are hiking, whether it's a day hike or an overnight backpacking trip. And then we have something exciting because we're gonna be eating as we talk to you. So we've got, if you want to show us Alex, you're gonna see it. Our fancy meal. It's actually not a meal. That's just a gas canister. And then we've got the just boil right here. Oh my God, it was gonna be a pleasure. And then we've got a meal that we're gonna prepare as we speak. Yeah. So we go to REI all the time. And there's like always just an aisle there full of four or five different types or different brands of food. Some of them are mountain house or backpack. Backpackers. What's that? Backpackers? Mountain house, backpackers, kitchen. All type of brands. Anyway, we don't have a preference. So we're gonna be making this as we speak. And then how the exciting thing, we're gonna be giving away two meals today. Not two of the ones that we have here, obviously. I think you're gonna send them via. We'll figure out the logistic, but the way it's gonna go, we're gonna hang out until the end of this live, which is going to be one hour, just like usual. We'll try not to drag it this time. And then we will do the wheel. Like we have a website where we can go and just enter the name of people who are here in the live. And then we will be picking two people. Doing wheel of names. Yes. We'll do the wheel of names. And then we'll send two meals to two of you. So for what it's worth, I'm putting together just our little canister here. I'll see if I can't make it somewhat visible to you. But there's this little orange triangle that usually just comes inside of the canister and just clip it to the bottom. And then there's the top part that actually goes ahead and just kind of lets the right amount of gas just regulates. I'm gonna try to put that in. You hear it just kind of hiss there for a brief moment, right? As I kind of got the valve depressed. And then here you go. So this is what we're cooking with. And what we end up putting on top of it. And some of these meals, by the way, take about 20 minutes to kind of just sit there in the heated water. So we're gonna get this going early and then we're probably just gonna sit here and talk for a bit. Anyway, shout out to our man Jeff from Superstition Roots Line. So you take your little Jeff Boil. There's these little knobs here, these little like indentations. Just put your canister right in there. And there you go. You can actually get the whole thing attached to all at once. Which is pretty convenient for when you're actually working on stuff. But I missed it. But just by locking it in there, you can definitely deal with a little bit of an uneven terrain or other things of the effect of that. Sometimes you can start the canister in your hand, but obviously it's hot when you're done cooking so don't try to unscrew it. And we're gonna have a beef pasta marinara. I tried the, when we went backpacking this this last weekend, which we will talk about that adventure in a little bit here, I took, what was it? It was chicken and pasta alfredo from the same brand. It was good. I just put in more water than I should, but it was still tasty. So I'm excited to try this. Yeah, so on the back they'll have little instructions and such on how much to put down there. This one says one cup. And if you look inside of our little canister here, I'll just take my word for it. There's some little bumps there, you can see. And those bumps are actually right. You might not be able to see it. There's some little lines on the inside that just indicate how much. There are different size cups of these that might hold more. This one's two cups, which we found to be pretty good for the both of us, because we usually boil a whole. No, it's more than two cups. It's more than that. But anyway, so it just feel like 0.5 and 16. I'm guessing it's a liter at the top of it all. It puts up until here is one cup. Really? All right, there we go. That's why we had our mix. One liter here. There's got regular old things. Sorry, this is just like a cooking show for a moment. We'll start talking in a moment here. We just got to get this going early. We need, we need to eat. Yep. How many do we need? Two cups? Just one. One? Because I'll be just up until then. But you don't want to feel it higher than the 0.5 mark if you are getting exactly to a rolling boil. Yep, yep, yep, yep. And so there's a lid obviously, a little spout you can put on. And I usually like to make sure these ones have a little handle that you can peel off from the side. And I'll put this bigot out of the spout obviously facing away. Do you want to do it somewhere there? No, no, no, I think it's pretty good actually. These jet boils, not all brands do this way, but the jet boils, I'll start it here. I see what you're saying. No, we will get in trouble. Just do it over there. Okay, you mind if I, I'll kick it off and then we'll run over there. Um, so anyway, open up the valve. You can hear it hissing there. And then, there you go. All right, go, go. You can hear it going. So I'm gonna go run away now. Format, that lid works great to keep rain out, use mine today. Oh, awesome. Cool. So that's that. We'll wait for water to boil and then we'll make our little meal here. I was kind of rushing out of the house, so I didn't really bring a plate, but we will be fine. I usually, when we're backpacking, usually just grab it straight from the package. Yeah, I tried the one of these meals last weekend. We went up to what is it called the, we wanted to do the Ketchina loop. Ketchina peaks wilderness. There's a very nice loop up in Flagstaff here in Arizona, but we hiked the first section of the loop and when we got to the first saddle, we couldn't because there was a lot of snow. Format, I loved your mango drying video. Thanks, Format. Have you tried dehydrating any meat to rehydrate at camp? Not yet. I definitely want to make some beef jerky and I think it was two months ago. I went to, there's a Middle Eastern grocery store that I go to and I found that they sell very thin slices of meat that can be great for beef jerky. I bought them and then I was like, okay, I'm going to dehydrate them and I totally forgot and they were just there in the fridge for a while. So that water is spoiled. It's pretty quick. Forgive me for jumping in. I'm going to stir it up really quick because you want to get all that power that might be gunked up on the bottom out of the way because it might hide in the corners of the package and such. So you get that in there and then seal up and that'll stay on the back from how long. This one says let's stand for 10 minutes. Now, if you're at a higher elevation, you might need to let it sit for a little bit longer just because of the change in the boiling point of water, et cetera, things like that. 10 minutes. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just talking about our backpacking trip this weekend. So anyway, so let's talk food on the trail, whether it's day hike or backpacking, maybe for the few of you who are watching us here. What is your favorite trail snack? What do you like to eat on the trail? And then as you type your answers here, we'll talk about what we eat usually on the trail. So let's start with the just regular day hikes. What do we like to take on the trail usually? So for just a day hike, or if we're starting and ending in the same day, I usually won't go too crazy with the before meal or an after meal. I like a cliff bar, to be honest with you. There's plenty of variety of them. So I usually grab like either the mint ones or the, I like the white chip macadamia or the raisin ones, blueberry ones. It's a whole, whole grab bag of them. Those are good. Some trail snacks are good as well because I like just trail mix in general, some nuts. Usually the sweet and salty stuff is good. Salt's good because you need some sodium to fill up. When you're sweating, obviously you lose a lot of salt. And then last for me, let's see. I think the noon tablets are still liquid, but I consider them to be a snack. What about you? If we're going for a day hike, I definitely like fruits, dried fruits. I started really enjoying dried apricots and prunes. I used to take trail mix before, but I just don't enjoy it anymore. I feel like it's a little bit, it makes my mouth dry with all the nuts. So I like some of the fruits with some moist in them, apricots, prunes. And I also like to take dates because they are sweet. They give you tons of energy. They have a lot of fiber. And then my guilty pleasure would be Pringles. I like Pringles. Beef jerky sometimes. Sometimes the sticks where they have a piece of cheese and a piece of beef jerky and you just bite on both of them at the same time. And what else? But if we're really going on a long, long hike, I remember a lot of long day hikes, we would even take a sandwich, just pack a sandwich and throw it in your bag. And you know, when you get to lunch and you feel beat up and you want a good solid meal, just eat your sandwich. Yeah, if you make it in your own sandwich, you can chuck it in just a Ziploc bag or something like that. Oh, it might get a little smushed up. Yeah. And if you have like a little lunchbox or something like that, that's a soft case. So those are pretty good. Or we do Subway or something equivalent to that. But you got to be careful with those too. You don't want to put like a bunch of olive oil and mayonnaise and other stuff like that on there. You can still get nice and soggy by the end. Me, I like to go with Burger King. And especially if we're starting off on a longer hike, which I might be transitioning, and I'll pick up like a McGrittle and then like three burgers. And I'll eat the McGrittle and the burger in the car. And then I'll have another two in the bag for while we're hiking just to kind of give me some easy meals that don't need to be cooked early on. And then we'd, you know, fall into the regular snack sort of thing after that. Yeah, I've been, yeah, the other thing that I like taking with me sometimes be packets of olive, just green or black olives. They are really good. I feel like they provide with a good amount of salt. And I find the olives to be really tasty. Hey, Mike. Mike, it was nice to see you yesterday on Diane's live. I saw you come and she was like, Oh my God, this is Mike. This is our Mike. So happy to see you there. Our friend Mike. But yeah, that's, I think that's all when it comes to day hikes. I love dates. Sometimes I would just take the medrall dates, open them and put in some nuts or walnuts inside. And that would be my snack for the whole day. What else? Let's never forget the Harding Icefield Trail. Sometimes we just find snacks on the trail. Yeah. We only did that once though. But we were eating berries right there off the trail. And that was pretty neat too. A little nervous because we're like, Oh, you don't want to eat the wrong stuff. We were not going to eat them actually until we met Billy on the trail. And we just became friends. And he said, Oh, no, I'm familiar with those. They should be fine. So it's like, Yeah, we, if you have them, we'll have them too. If we die, we all die together. Okay. So format. I love making, I love making air fried chickpeas for trail snacks. But sometimes they make me cough a bit macadamias and cashews. Sometimes I put some M&Ms in the bag as well. I love cashews too. M&Ms. I like anything chocolate like that. And sometimes even they'll put like the little peanut butter and chocolate things in there. Delicious. But you got to watch how it doesn't get too hot or the peanut butters. Well, it's gets nasty. Get messy in there. Mike. Mark. No, Mike. Hey, Mike, Mark. Hi, Mike. Oh my God. Being from Florida, I always bring a Cuban sandwich for a day hike or for dinner on an overnighter. What's in a Cuban sandwich? I'm curious. I want to know what's in a Cuban sandwich. I think when we have the opportunity now that we've started car camping, we will take a cooler with some stuff that we can usually take some cold drinks with just to have at the end of the trip. Because there are times where we'll get back from a trip and where we don't have like as much water as we could drink to the end. And you could probably go through a liter or two. So we'll keep some cold drinks in the car. And I think we went car camping the other day and you showed off, obviously, that we could cook some burgers. They turned out delicious. Yeah. So that's more for car camping. And honestly, even if we are going for an overnight, I think next time I would try if we're going for an overnight and we know for sure that we can have a fire around the camp, we'll probably take even that jet boiled pan and just give it a try. But so when we are just backpacking in the back country, we keep it, we try to keep it light. So always just the jet boil and that's usually freeze dried meals like this one. And that's it. Sometimes if I'm too ambitious, I would take my little teapot and I would make some Moroccan mint tea on the trail if I want to. It's been really good when you've done that. Yeah. It's always nice. So overnight backpacking, what do we do for breakfast usually? Oh man. So like Habiba said, we're kind of learning our way through a couple of other things here with like the jet boil pan and such. I think we were a bit hesitant to take real cooking stuff with us. We like to be a bit too minimal by only bringing just dehydrated stuff. But when we went kayaking and we brought a pan with us, we would cook some eggs or some other meat like that if we had the opportunity. But really in the morning, most days, to be honest, it turns into just a cup of coffee with some dehydrated coffee, which is delicious or tea if you bring instant coffee. And then we'll usually make one of these breakfast meals to be honest with you. But like I said, we've started dabbling with actual eggs and a little bit of actual ground beef. Ground beef is better than patties. That's for car camping. Fair enough. Yeah. So only talking about backpacking in the back country. So breakfast, like Alex said, he likes cliff bars. I usually like the waffles. I don't know what brand they are, but it's just like. Stinger. Stinger. I think they're stingers. Stinger. Yeah, we just get the pieces of waffle from REI. They even have them in the grocery stores. It doesn't have to be REI. But anyway, so just a piece of waffle and then I would make coffee with the instant coffee. I personally like honey stinger. I forgot the name. But yeah, so coffee, I personally like it with some milk. So I would just take a Ziploc bag and I would put in stinger. Yeah. So anyway, so the Ziploc bag, I would put in some instant coffee. Oh my God, like my brain is all over the place. Instant coffee with powder milk. And then I would just mix them together. And that's my coffee for the morning. And then the other thing we started doing is oats. So I would take a stature Ziploc bag that's reusable. And those bags are really nice. I shared the quick short the other day on YouTube. But those bags are so good because you can add in hot water. It doesn't damage it. You can put it in the microwave. You can wash it in the dishwasher. It's really good. But anyway, so on that Ziploc bag, I would put in some rolled oats and I add in milk, powdered milk, and then I would add in some cinnamon or a cinnamon stick. And then when we get to camp in the morning, we just put them in the little bowls, add in some warm water and sometimes honey. I pack honey from time to time. That was really good. Because it's chocolate stuff too. Did you like it the other time? I thought it was great. Yeah. It was very tasty. It's rewarding too. Omeal's a brand. No. Oatmeal, I meant. Yeah, just some oats and some oatmeal. Just some oats. But that's fair because you have been doing that. That has been tasty. We have those little cups too. These little cups that like collapse down into like nothing and then you can stack them up. They're like Russian dolls. Like there's bigger rings inside of them. And we'll take those with us. And those actually doubled pretty well for us as a cup as well as a bowl. There's this bottom piece to the jet boil. We don't really do anything with it very much. Some people are serving it. We just kind of set the other bottom on it. Nor do we ever really try to eat out of the jet boil. Just because that's like a lot more stuff for us to have to clean while we're out there too. Anyway, just as a matter of saying it. The oats are really good but expensive. The oats meals. Which, I don't know what oats meals you guys are talking about. No, this one. I make it at home. Mike is out to me. I'm a tea guy. I could, I cold brew. I can't even. I cold brew my tea by putting the tea bag in the cold water bottle on a hike and let it brew while I hike. You're definitely having to take it out part way through so it doesn't get a little sour or like I'm just wondering like how long is too long. I guess you would just take it out and hang it off the back of your bag when you're done. Oh, they're talking about oatmeal brand for dehydrated meals. Oh my god. I was, I was so confused. I was like, no, I'm just talking about oatmeal. So I think we are toward the end of this. I'm gonna pop this bad boy open. It's hot. Would you like to feel it? Ooh, hot. There you go. We're gonna do a giveaway towards the end for some meals. This one. No, no, not this one. No, right now. We'll mail this one to you. I don't know which, maybe we'll do the backpacker meal or mountain house. Which, which brand do you guys like better? We'll give away two of them today. We'll do the, what's the wheel? Wheel of names. Wheel of names. We'll do the wheel of names towards. Wow, this one, we did this right. Look at this bad boy. Yes, like the other day when I asked Alice to make it, it was a pool. He put like one. I did double. We had a four cup thing and I put twice as much water for everything in there as just get out a little squirrel like jet skiing in the back there on the, on the daily news. I apologize. I can't see anything. Not, not any better. I have to go see an eye doctor. Yum, yum, yum. That looks good. Want to have some? Can you please? Oh, Disneyland. Hello, Disneyland. I'm so happy to see you here. Can you please give some insights on your Alaska budget? You may share your experience, budgets, etc. Yeah. So if you want to just wait a little bit, we're going to continue the conversation about food, try the meal, and then I can answer your question about Alaska. Um, hike with Mike. I love to bring kombucha out hiking in the woods. It's always my water bottle. I have also made warm kombucha on cold days. Do you put the kombucha in your own bottle or do you bring the glass ones out there? I guess I feel like they're always, um, I've never seen like, I mean, there's a really big growlers, but I'm like kind of just, wow, this looks really good. It really does look good. Show us in the camera. Yeah, you do it again. Oh yeah. I'm like content to like even tilt it. It's not, not too much water, not too little. Better than last weekend. It was like a pool. We were drinking the meal. Yeah, I ended up just drinking the nasty water in the morning. And you got to drink it because it's got nutrients into that point of stuff you need. We always joke about the fact that some, maybe if sometime someone comes to visit and then we would just make a meal like this and serve it to our guests and see if they would know or not. Oh, really tasty. It's like, um, the lasagna meal from a mountain house. I don't even have to blow on it. I'm just holding the wind. I put the kombucha in my metal water bottle. Sounds really fun. So this weekend, or last weekend when we went up the mountain, I tried the little goo packets, not like the big ones with the plastic twisty top that looks like you're starting one of those little like zipline planes or whatever back into their helicopters. This was just like a little pouch to squeeze the goo in. I did the chai tea one and I did the vanilla bean. They were both pretty good. It takes a little bit to get used to the texture, but it's shot full of a bunch of stuff. I think it had a hundred calories, a little bit of sodium, sugar, some vitamins and other things like that. Those were good. I personally didn't like the taste of it. It wasn't that good for me. I remember you. Yeah. I tried and honestly, I didn't feel like it gave me energy or anything, but I know that you like them. And you like the goo tablets too. I feel like that was my version of the Gatorade goo tablets or whatever they were. So the Gatorade goo tablets, that's what they are, right? I think so. Yeah, that's the Gatorade goo. Anyway, other than that, when you're going though, it's kind of important to understand how many days you're going hiking because you don't want to bring too little food because then all of a sudden you're rationing. I find throughout the course of the day, when I'm hiking, I don't eat meals the same way I would at home, like in terms of frequency. I'll probably eat a meal when I start and when I end. Yeah. And in the middle, I'll probably go through a cliff bar if it's an easy day. And if it's not an easy day, I'd say I can go through two or three. So in my mind, I'd probably provision for two cliff bars a day plus probably two of these meals a day. Now, we can split one. A lot of these meals are usually two servings. But after a long day, you can eat two servings. But sometimes if we're not too full, we'll split them and we can kind of ration them that way. But I'd rather cook a fresh one in the morning. I'd rather not have a leftover, to be honest. So yeah. It's a lot easier when you're backpacking as a couple or with a group of friends. I feel like, you know, if he doesn't finish his meal and I feel like I'm still hungry, I could finish it or vice versa. It's a lot easier when it's a group of people. I feel like we don't waste any meals on the backpacking trip. I also like the tea idea that Mike was talking about. I think it's something that's also worth trying at some point. All right, so let's see. I'll try to be the eyeballs here. Let's bring Kombucha. Kombucha, great idea. There we go. Do we recommend any specific clothing brands, styles or layers to wear for hiking? And a hike with Mike says a tip is bring the things that you can leave on the trail like bananas. Leave the peels for insects, oranges, leave the peels for animals, peanuts and leave the shells. The salt is sought by animals. And at that point, you got to look at the leave no trace recommendations of the area. Some places I think don't have a problem with that, but I think some places do as well. Yeah. So it's really, it's a very, you know, there are different feelings about, you know, leaving things like banana or peels. Just people have different opinions about it, how we can impact the environment and so on. But I see what you mean. So the question about specific clothing brands, styles, layers, not a specific brand, but there is a video that I put together, Nishita. I don't know if you watched it already. But if you go to our channel, go to videos and search for what to wear for Alaska. There is one video in which I talk about the layering system for hiking and backpacking. Even though the title of the video is what to wear for your visit to Alaska, but I pretty much talk about how to layer. And I do share the clothes that I wear personally when I'm out hiking and backpacking, and you can find even links to all of them. And if you go to kit.co slash trekking paths, you will find, I would say, almost 70% of our gear, both hiking and filming gear, and you can find some of those clothing articles there. And I'll say, for me, usually I'll wear pants and long sleeve, like, wicking material. I think we'd been doing Columbia for a while. They had that omni-heat stuff you were talking about. I've done some lighter things. I like a collar shirt. I never really was the type to do too much like that, but the collar shirts are pretty good when you're on the trail, because you can pop the collar up if you need to keep your neck out of the sun a little bit. The buffs usually do a good job, too. And if you haven't used a buff, just look them up. But they're like the thing. Everybody knows their buff is. But I will wear a collar shirt. I think Cool is the brand that I bought the other day, KUHL. They were okay, but I got to be honest. I was in the gym and a little tender at the end of the day, but we need to go into that anymore. A couple of the other hiking brands that you'll find, REI brand, are pretty good for us. Columbia has some stuff as well. By the way, as I'm eating this, I just remembered that that's one of the reasons why I like the attached spoon and fork, especially for these meals, because you can just scoop and go all the way down. While if you only have, because your dad gives us some spoons and forks that are just mini-sporks. They're like double ended this size. Yeah, but it's a mini one. So if you're eating from a bowl or from a cup, it's good. But then if you're eating from the meal, it's going to get messy. So that's why I like the long version. Our powers combined. We are Captain Planet. Human gear. Um, you know, definitely this one's long in a lot of these bags. This one's actually a little bit shorter. I think the mountain house meals are even shorter. No, they're taller. Is it the, I thought it was the backpacker's kitchen ones, or the ones that are really tall. This, I think this is the shortest I have tried, other than the, the meal for the scrambled eggs that I tried once. This one is the shortest pack. Oh man, some of those ones are all for like when you're cooking them, like you have to take like the chicken out and then put it in halfway through or make the gravy. Keep it easy. Okay. So Nishita, thank you. We'll check it out. Ghislaine, the problem with the bananas got ripped easily in the backpack. Yeah, it's not a good idea. I feel like any food that can be spoiled is just not a good idea to pack. And that's why we started dehydrating some fruits. I think someone was commenting on my Instagram post earlier today and they said, but when you dehydrate fruits, they have usually more calories and they are sweeter, but they're just easy to maintain and keep in your pack. When the fruits are dehydrated, it's not going to leave a mess in your backpack. Form of a backpack. Can you please Alex read the comments from Mike? All right. My buddy had a trail camera on private property and put out a pork chop. Wow, that was a lot of peas in that essence. I put out a pork chop to attract animals. And he saw a deer chewing on the chop, not for the meat, but for the calcium in the bone. Never knew that. Like when Mike also says, wonder twins activate from the, uh, from the super friends. I may be showing my age, she may not know what I'm referring to. That's what I say in form of a trash bag. Do you know the reference? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Good. How brave were you guys with standing water? Ooh, huh. No, no, not brave. Even with a filter, filter straws in here, good and bad things. We prefer like if we could find moving water, obviously, there could be a lot more bacteria in standing water. We have a life straw and obviously in a pinch, you would do that. But if we're not in a pinch, we're not looking forward to standing water because even when you filter it, you get that taste. Yeah. And that's where like those noon tablets and stuff come out shining as well because you can mask some of that. It's still like stinky car, right? It's like with the Christmas tree in the front. It's minty stinky car at that point. The water is still nasty, noon flavored water, but it's better than just nasty water. We stay away from staying water. Yeah. When we hiked West Fork Trail in Sedona here in Arizona, we saw some really nasty water and I'm like, thank God we don't need to filter that. Okay. Rizlan, we need more calories during hiking. It's fine. Exactly. That's exactly what I told the person. I said, well, I don't care if it's too sweet. We need calories. We're going to be burning through them anyway. Hiking with Mike, my mind went straight to Wonder Twins as well. Chew off some of that. I'm full. I'm hungry. I was like waiting for us to go out to the store. You started eating this salad to go place. Really good. It's really good. Yeah. Now that we have this, I'm chowing down. So you get to watch me eat today. This is all for the viewers. Yeah. But we've got seven people watching. So thank you guys. If you are enjoying this, please give the video a thumbs up. It's going to help with the YouTube algorithm to suggest it to more people in the future. Maybe we get the 30 likes today. I'll run back to the house and cook another one. Oh my God. A lot of folks think swamp water is gross, but the water is really good. It just has the brown color because of the leaves and cypress needles. Very possible. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like we've not hiked near the ocean either too. I've never had to deal with trying to figure out that's a totally different thing. Anyway, finished. Finished the meal. Now I got to make sure is that all my trash doesn't blow away because it is windy enough. It was really windy. That was delicious. Good. Okay. So that's that's some of the foods. We try to keep it simple. No, you know, we don't pack more than we need usually freeze dried meals. And I'm going to start trying to make some beef jerky at home. That's going to be next on my list. And then I also want to try to make some lasagna with meat and then try to dehydrate it at home and see if that's going to be delicious or not. Yeah. Ever since we got that dehydrated, I feel like you can throw anything in there. I never understood it at the beginning, but they had a little drip tray to catch wet things. I could put a shoe in there and I could probably just eat it later. But I've learned with them that obviously the thickness of the stuff that you put in is important because that'll actually determine how much moisture will be left over at the end if you cook it for a certain amount of time. But you want to make sure everything's uniform. You want to make sure every piece is the same thickness. Otherwise, some will dry more than others. And if you're going for a crispy, crunchy rather than a dehydrated but soft and still a little bit chewy, you're going to want to be able to control some of those aspects of your prep to the food. Okay. So as we're kind of waiting here just to see what we have going on in the comments, we're going to start the wheel of names and then we're going to see who from the seven folks that are watching right now who is interested in entering the giveaway. I mean, I know it's nothing fancy, but we just want to share, I would say. So if you are interested in entering the giveaway right now, just leave a comment and say interested. And then Alex is going to be entering them on his phone in the wheel of names. And then we're going to pick two people. All right. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Okay. What fruits have you dehydrated used to love banana chip as a kid? Mark, so I tried bananas. They were good, but I wasn't a big fan. So I don't think Alex liked them down much either. So what we ended up doing whenever we have guests coming over, I would add them in the cheese board and it seems like they liked them. So bananas and then Alex made the, he dehydrated some apples and I love the apples and then I dehydrated mangoes. And then what else? I think that's it. Bananas, apples and mangoes. Interesting. How you do with Mike is interesting. Interesting. Nishita, if you want to hang out with us until the end, I'm going to dedicate some time to, to answer your questions about Alaska, but I just want to focus a little bit more today about food for hiking and backpacking. Okay. Fun fact, I have never tried any of the store bought meals like that yet. Really? Just always come to through my own thing together, but keep saying that I need to try it. Well, full mat, today might be the day. All right. I'm going to read back really quick. Oh, wait, Pat, I've just about report ourselves. Okay. So, okay. I'm going to, I'm going to, I can read you the name of people who are interested. So we've got format is interested. Yep. Mike is interesting. Think with Mike by Yinka. And then we've got Rishab, Jane is interested. Rislan is interested. That's what I've got. How many people want to, okay, so keep that there for right now. If anyone else is interested, we'll make sure that you enter the giveaway as well. How about we do, what do you want to say when the live stream hits 45 minutes? We'll, yeah, we'll do it. When we hit 45 minutes, we'll, we'll pick someone. I also have to make sure, actually, I wonder if everyone is located in the US and Canada. I know his name is in Canada. That should be probably fine. I have to double check, but probably have to make sure that this is limited to North America. I want to give me that bad boy back, actually. Which bad boy? Yeah, that thing. Okay. I'll put this way in the background too. I could just kind of be your entertainment while he was talking. So I want to dehydrate the other type of fruits that I want to dehydrate. I want to dehydrate apricots and prunes. So definitely interested to dehydrate some apricots. What else can I dehydrate? The apricots that we got from the store the first time you showed them to me here, I had them. I thought they were great. And I definitely am looking forward to that. I think you'd make some really good apricots. Arex bars are really good snacks. I recommend them. They list all the ingredients and the last ingredient is always no BS. Arex bars, are they the date bars? They said they're made of dates, cashews and something. Now I think it's, Canada should be fine. I think Canada should be fine. Canada and like North America region, including Canada should be fine. I don't know which bars you're talking about, Mike, but What are the ones? Is it like kinder bars or kinder? Not kinder bars, kinder bars. He said arex bars. Yeah, what are the other ones I'm thinking of there? They've got like all the nuts. They've got like a black bar across the Yeah, exactly. That's the one I'm talking about. I'm thinking about the kind bars? No, they're not kind bars. They're called, what are they called? They have, they are made of dates, the main basis dates. You've done some of that fish jerky stuff as well or salmon jerky or something like that from Maria also, right? Salmon jerky? Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, the salmon jerky. Oh yeah, that's really good. It's epic. The brand is epic. It's called epic. Leslie, have you tried beef jerky yet? I think that would be interesting. I haven't tried it yet. Someone actually was just asking the same question. I'm gonna, I went to the Middle Eastern grocery store the other day and I bought the slices of meat and everything but I just forgot about them and they were in the fridge for a while until I threw them. The brand is called Arex Bar aka Prescription Bar. Kind bars are Lara bars. Yeah, I don't like, I used to actually like kind bars at some point. Lara bars I liked. Lara, I think I like Lara bars better than kind bars. I definitely like the cliff and I used to get the chewy breakfast ones because I thought they were awesome and I was like a little kid again but then I realized they're not dense enough. But every now and then I would do a pop tart too if I would bring one on. Just no. Can you, can you guys believe that you can dehydrate eggs? When I bought the the dehydrator the first time I was going through the manual and then they're just sharing recipes and suggestions with you and then that one page was talking about how you can dehydrate eggs and I was like what? But it's a long process where you have to soak them in sugar overnight and then you dehydrate them and then it's just New York and it's just a complex process and I was like why would you even want to dehydrate eggs? Wait a second. Crazy. Like I'm curious now, hopefully you're curious too. I know. Do you fry the egg first? No, you just take the egg as is. I think this is at least what I remember. You take the egg and then you separate the yolk from the white and then you like you have a ball full of sugar where you just place all of the pieces of yolk and you leave them overnight and there's like some chemical reaction that happens with the sugar and then the other day you just put them in the dehydrator for so many hours and then they become in a solid state and they said that people would usually use them, grate them on top of pasta and just like on top of meals like this. I hope my reaction is your reaction. I get it. That sounds fine but also you're like I just boiled the egg. No, but seriously I was my reaction was the same as like what? Like eggs as we know them? We got another interested. I saw an interested. Okay, how is it possible to dehydrate eggs? I don't think it will be tasty. I don't think it will be tasty either. It was mind-blowing. I think I should try it just for the sake of the experience. I was thinking that you would like fry the egg and then take like the whole fried egg and put it in there and the dehydrator is interesting if you haven't used one. Ask Google. Say hey Google, can I dehydrate eggs? Ask Google. That's dangerous. We're opening up. Hey Google, can I dehydrate eggs? Actually, let me get off my thing. Hey Google, can I dehydrate eggs? Dehydrate powdered eggs, crack the eggs into a bowl, whisk the eggs. Sorry, I added my volume up. No, that's not the same technique. Whisk the eggs until fully blended in a little foamy. Pour the eggs carefully in the fruit leather tray of the dehydrator. No, no, no, not the same technique. So I'm going to try it. Rislan said I should try it. I think I should. That will be, that will be a fun experience. If I will say with the dehydrator though, you usually go for about six to six hours at a bare minimum, a lot more usually, and you'll only really dehydrate at like 125, 120 to like 160 degrees Fahrenheit. What happened now? No, Mike said he tried to dehydrate water once, he didn't work. Well, actually, I hear dehydrated ice is actually really good. Really crunchy. Oh my God. Foreman, I was actually curious if you could scramble eggs, dehydrate them, and then rehydrate on the trail. Yeah, you would think. That sounds like why, that sounds normal, at least. I'm part of me who's like scared now I'm thinking of like powdered eggs, but like they only rehydrate back into like a drink. It's funny, it's funny that Mike, I have so much to practice. It's funny that Mike mentioned the dehydrated water, because when we, before going on the backpacking trip last weekend, I was asking people, so first of all, one of the challenges with the loop that we were trying to hike is that there is no water source, the whole loop, and it's a very difficult serious hike. So we literally packed, I packed 14 liters of water. I don't know how many liters you packed. I ordered like a bag weigher the other day so I could start to do that. So much water. I never packed this much water, but before going on the backpacking trip, I asked on Instagram and I said, Hey, do you guys know of any, like do you have any creative solutions so that I don't have to pack this much water? But someone recommended that we try the liquid IV, you know, just to help us hydrate more. And then someone saw the picture of the liquid IV when I posted it and they told me what is that, dehydrated water? And I was like, Yeah, pretty much. I think the liquid IV stuff turns out to be just kind of like Gatorade powder, crystal light. It's just another powder mixture. It was disappointing, kind of. Yeah, it did the thing. I mean, it didn't get nasty or anything like that, but just like little sticks that you put in. My God. But we were like mules this past weekend. Yeah, we had so much water and it was not a shallow hike. It was steep. And we were just hurting. But we didn't do the whole loop. We just got up to this is this area is called the San Francisco peaks in Arizona and they have four of the highest peaks in Arizona. There's Mount Humphreys and then there is Doyle Peak and then there's Fremont Peak and Agassiz Peak. So these are like some of the best hikes in Arizona. Agassiz Peak, you can't hike it during summer. You can only hike it during winter. But anyway, so our plan was to go do the Kachina peaks loop and then go up to Humphreys Peak. But there was so much snow that I wasn't comfortable crossing. Right. You want to give me a favor? We got to 45. Cool, cool. You want to go just start at the top again. Yeah. Roll through just to make sure we didn't miss anybody. I'll verify and I'll spin the wheel and we'll hold it up and let people see. So let's see. Do you want to do you want to scroll through from the top just to make sure I didn't miss out on anybody? Well, you tell me the name and then if you guys don't hear your name, tell us so that we can add it. Okay, I've got four Matt. Four Matt. Because my phone didn't believe that I wanted to spell that the way that I spelled that. And then four Matt. Hike with Mike. Mike. Belinda Cabe. Okay. Forgive me if I if I say something wrong. Rishaba. Uh-huh, Rishaba. Uh, Yslane. Yslane. Nishita. Nishita. Awesome. So nobody says that that they also are. Who else? Interesting. Oh yeah. We're going to talk more about the snow in Arizona. You guys will be amazed at how much snow there is here. All over the place. Okay, so does anyone else want to enter the giveaway? We are giving away one meal for backpack and one freeze dried meal. So we've got how many people? Uh, one, two, three, four, five, six so far. All right. Cool, cool, cool. Got stem sixes. So the wheel. Ready? You got this old wheel o' names. All right. Spinning. So you're ready? Ready? So we're gonna we're gonna pick two. One, two, pop. Nishita. Nishita. Bringing off the reflection of the given. That's amazing. Alrighty. Cool, cool, cool. So Nishita, congrats. If you can comment with your email so that I can reach out to you, that will be great. And then we'll do the the second person in a little bit here. You don't you want to wait a couple minutes? We'll wait a couple. Okay. I'm going to pick a different song for this one. Bravo Nishita. So close. I'm just kidding. All right. So Nishita, please leave your email address in the comments here so that we can grab it. Okay. Awesome. So yeah, so let me go back to the comments. Mike, our dry season finally ended today. We got rain. So Mike is from Florida. We got rain. Now we will have it almost every day till fall. But we need the rain so bad the swamps had been bone dried. Yep. Yeah, so snow in Arizona. Yeah, it's all over the place. I mean, obviously the valley, not as much. But once you get up a little higher, I mean, there's snow all over the place. It gets good and cold in Sedona, obviously flagstaff, a lot of skiing and such. We could just go a half hour from here. What was it? A sunset? What was it like we did the other year where we were like making snowmen and throwing snowballs at each other? It was up north, north of Paradise Valley, Fountain Hills area. Yep. Sunrise trail. But that was a very unique year, 2018. It was snowing very close to where we live, which usually here in the valley, it's pretty warm. But like Alex said, flagstaff, very known for, you know, skiing and snowboarding during winter. And even right now, when we hiked all the way up to, what was the saddle, Doyle saddle, and then we wanted to continue to flagstaff, there was a lot of snow. Yeah, so depending on which side of the mountain, obviously you're on, the sun may or may not get a lot of the snow out of the way. And some snow might fall from above and come down. So there was a lot of snow there. I can't say it was snowfall on the ground. We were still hiking in t-shirts, but there's still snow on the ground. And then other areas like the, over toward Greer, over toward the White Mountains, over where Mount Baldy is, which is the fifth highest peak in Arizona, all the way over on the east side of the state. Also we'll get some snow and such there. So plenty of stuff in Arizona, to be fair. Yeah. My buddy hikes California in the summer. Mammoth Lakes has snow in June and July. Yeah, that's not, that's not a surprise. And it's a bummer because we wanted to get up to Humphrey's peak, but. Yep, especially after dragging all that water up there. My god, yeah, it was so much water. It was disappointing to get up there and not continue on the loop. But we did, if you saw my video about the ultra-sil day packs. Bag exception. We took those little bags with us too and just hung them off the back of our regular bag. And then when we got to the top, we set up a tent and we set up our tent in a really exposed place because there were actually a couple of people up there already and they stole all the good spots, which I guess is their prerogative. So we were just camping right out in the middle of the saddle. And I got to be honest with you, it wasn't windy. Super comfy night. Like actually kind of had to unzip the sleeping bag here. It's pretty cozy out that night. But we then left the tent there and the other stuff. We took out those little ultra-sil bags and those are what we attempted to start doing the rest of the hike with. So these bags are amazing. I just don't carry handbags anymore. I carry this bag everywhere. Yesterday, I went out to take care of some business and I took this bag. Business. It's like a purse, right? So there's the purse, which is the man purse. Then there's a purse, which is your backpacking purse. Okay, so where is Nishita? Nishita, where are you? Where is your email? I guess you could private message that to us. It's a little bit difficult. Yeah, it's a little bit difficult for me to find you and reach out to you. But if you want to send your email here, leave it in the comments or send it to our email address. Let me do the...actually, I'll wait. You're almost done there. It's like a little game pack of these things up, but actually they get surprisingly small. Can she get it? There you go. All right, so what else? I think we talked pretty much about everything that we had in mind for food. Yeah, we can do the other giveaway thing here and then we can drift off topic then, if you guys would like. Oh my god, this isn't when I go inside. And it's got to give it the beans. Nishita, where are you? Nishita, we need your email. All right, my buddy, we don't have youthful thoughts about making babies use your tracking poles. We've seen people do that on like long hiking things and such and it's a little bit less than we are looking to enjoy while we're hiking. But we could, but we haven't. We have a nice little two-person tent. When we used to do stuff back in the day, we had a four-person tent because that's just the tent we had. But then we got a two-person tent and that's been serving us well. I've really liked our tent. I think it's a three-season tent though, so it's not really meant for the winter as much. It's got ventilation and other things. So if it gets really cold out, we would probably need to get another bag or another tent. But this one's been doing well for us with our bed rolls, etc. So. Okay, awesome. So we have a question from Rieslenn. Rieslenn is my friend from Canada. Okay. Any plans from, she's the person who wanted, who asked for Kilimanjaro yesterday. Oh, are you coming? Are you coming? Any plans for upcoming weekend? So upcoming weekend is what? We had the, we put the calendars for training for Kilimanjaro every weekend we have something. I think this weekend. This weekend we have cooking. Yeah. So this weekend we're not going to be hiking because we dedicated this weekend for social plans with the friends and family kind of. So we have one cooking class with one of our friends and then we're going to go kayaking with one of other friends here in Arizona, which I'm very excited for. But at the same time, I'm a little bit nervous because it's going to be hot. And then my friend who's kayaking with us is seven months pregnant, almost eight months pregnant. And I'm like, oh my God. And it's going to be her first time kayaking too. What? The trucks are here. The trucks are here. You can smell the food. But yeah, so she's my friend is pregnant and she's very excited. She's going to be kayaking for the first time. So I told her, well, if your doctor said you're okay, then you're okay. We're not at a spot where we have our own kayaks yet. I'm debating getting like it on top one so that I can just hop off and hop on whenever I want to. But I suspect I'm going to be jumping in the water a lot. So that's the plan for Saturday and then Sunday. I think I'm going to be meeting a friend. So this Sunday is going to be really just socializing, which we haven't done in a long time. Oh my God, Rislaine, I can't believe you have to try. Yeah. It's so worth it. So worth it. So much fun. I would say do a river one just from the way that I enjoyed the Colorado River one. But obviously lakes are great too. I feel like for the river though, for me, it's like you're always kind of moving if there's always something new rather than just kind of like doing a loop around an area. And I feel like with the with a lot of the lake or a lot of the rivers and such too, you just sometimes you can take your time. I'm just laughing because. Okay, this is the funniest story. We're going to tell the story from that. So no, no, no, this is the funniest story. So when my mom came to visit me here, it was in 2019 and she's never gone kayaking before. And so we went to Tempe. We have a lake called Tempe Town Lake. And then, you know, my mom is not an outdoorsy person. She I just told her, you're going to like it. We're going to rent a double kayak and you're going to sit behind me. And then Alex did the paddle board. So she got excited. She was like, fine, you're going to be with me in the in the boat that should be good. So we're good. We go, we rent the boats and then we're ready to launch. And then we just walk to the marina and what happens? We saw a guy who just got his own kayak, he didn't kayak. Not kayak, a sitting, sitting kayak. Yeah, yeah, it was an on top kayak, not a sitting kayak, but a sit on top kayak. Yeah. And he put the boat in the water, he dragged it down there, right? Put the boat in the water. And then as you would expect in like typical Bugs Bunny fashion, he puts one foot on the boat. And the other foot stays on the dock. And he is ready to set off. But he doesn't want to set off until he's got all of his weight in the boat. And sure enough, the dock in the boat start getting further apart. And this guy is boom, just right in the water to the point where he can't quite figure out how to get back onto the boat or on the dock. And oh man. Oh my God, it was an adventure. He was, he was fighting for his life. And I'm like, and my mom, my mom, because she saw him, he was an older guy, my mom started screaming. And then Alex is like, oh my God, you did jump to the water. What do I do? What do I do? And then he was like five feet in front of us, like just like hanging onto the side. He was clearly uncomfortable and a little bit, you know, embarrassed, I'm sure. Yeah. But he didn't seem like he was suffering. Like he wasn't drowning or having, he was just not in the kayak. My mom saw that she made a big scene and everyone is screaming. And then my mom was like, I am not going in the kayak with you. It's not going to happen. And I'm like begging her, please, please, please, you love it. And she ended up really, really enjoying it. Okay. I was just laughing. Okay. So Nishita, thanks for the email. Mike, I like canoes because I can canoe camp. I used to canoe down the swamp. The what? Not the swamp. Down the Swani River. Swani River. And I would camp along many creeks that I ran into. The river, it was a beautiful time. I need to get another canoe soon. We were definitely thinking canoes were great because man, they're carrying capacities so much more than the little teeny tiny kayaks. But I think, I think the kayaks are calling out to us though. By being a little smaller, they're easier for us to hang on to. And they're a little bit more versatile for some of the stuff we wanted to do. But I hear you that canoes are. We were so jealous when we kayaked from the bottom of Hoover Dam to Willow Beach. A lot of people had canoes and they literally packed the big coolers and it felt like they were so comfortable. But we didn't have a lot of space. We didn't have as much space and we thought that canoe is a good idea too. But I think we're gonna stick to the kayak probably. Yeah, that was a funny story. I'm sorry, I got so excited. I was like, oh my god, I can't stop imagining it. So we're at 60 minutes. What do you say we do the next one of these so that if people are sticking around for that, we could at least release them? Yeah, yeah. So it's 59. I know that we scheduled this for a while. So we're gonna, we're gonna still answer some of your questions and then we'll hang out for an additional couple of minutes to answer some of the questions about Alaska. So people who had questions about Alaska, let's try to answer them. But we are picking the second person for the giveaway. All right, so let's read out the names of people who are already there. Sure. So we got FOMAT, Hike with Mike, Balinga, Rishaba and Rislane. And so if anyone else is interested in entering the giveaway right now, we are giving away a backpacking freeze dried meal, you know, just a simple thing that we wanted to share here with you. So if you want to enter the giveaway, leave a comment, say interested and then we'll add you to this list right now. There's a bug on my face. The Wheel of Names. The Wheel of Names. Okay, anyone else interested? Can you kayak from Uber? We'll talk about that a little bit. Oh my God, these bugs are annoying. It's just that one in particular. All right, ready? Okay. Five, four, three, seven, two, four. All right, ready? Get a meal. Sorry, I didn't figure out how to personalize it until after we did the first one. Very cool. That was fun. I like the music. All right. Have you been correcting my name to Alex? Oh man, it's fine. It's a hard name to pronounce. It's more just like the phonetic elements that I'm not familiar with, but um. Rizlan is from Razelle. Razelle is the gazelle. Like Razelle. Anyway, that bug is a danger. All right, so congrats to Hike with Mike and then Nishita. We got the email. And the Hike with Mike, if you want to send me your email as well, I'm sure I can find it. Hike with Mike. Wow, we've got 10 people watching. Double digits. Never happened before. But that is so cool. So, sure, yes, yes, yes, Mike, you don't have to share your email here on public, you know, our email, you'll find it right there. It's weartrackinpowds.com. And then we'll reach out to both of you, get your address and get that sent out to you soon. Okay, so this is usually one hour for our Thursday live. So, before we wrap up, I'm gonna, I have one update that I want to share, and then we will keep an open floor for the Alaska related questions. So the one update last time, I don't really remember. I don't remember if it was Mark or Mike, but someone suggested that we talk more about preparing for Mount Kilimanjaro. And so we decided we're gonna start going live on YouTube twice, a week. So we're gonna keep our normal Thursday, 6 p.m. Arizona time, just like today. And then we're gonna start going live on Mondays as well. So Mondays are going to be series about Kilimanjaro, and we'll probably keep those to 30 to 45 minutes. I don't know yet, but I missed it. Neighbor stopped over. Oh, no. Well, tell them to watch, too. Yeah, so Mondays, we will start Kilimanjaro related series. We'll do 45 minutes, just talk about Kilimanjaro exclusively. And then Thursday, we'll do our normal topics. Yeah, I think that's a good balance, too, of introducing. But also, we kind of wanted to separate the generator talk from the Kilimanjaro stuff, because we didn't want it to, like, pewter out after we went to Kilimanjaro, and then, like, had to reinvent the moment. We wanted it to be a consistent spot. So that's why the other day, the other time slot makes sense. Well, awesome. Well, thank you so much, guys. I know that some of you know that it's one hour live. If you have to drop off totally understandable, really enjoyed hanging out with you. But for the questions that were asked earlier about Alaska, if you guys are still around, what are your questions about Alaska? We'll tackle them right now. And let's say, we'll give it 10 minutes here before we close. Any questions that you have about Alaska, drop them in the comments, and we'll answer them right now. Sleep of a busy day tomorrow, last day of school. I will spend hours upon hours grading homework. Awesome. Well, good to see you, Mike. Congrats on your... Alex is fighting this bug barrier. He's fighting me. He's like facing, but... All right, Mike, take care. And we'll talk to you guys later. Like, Mark, great channel, totally grew really fortunate with everyone. Really enjoy hanging out with all of you. And really, I was telling Alex that I'm starting to really look forward to these live streams. FOMAT, thank you so much. FOMAT is our number one supporter and the channel member. We really appreciate your support as always. Rizlan, awesome. Happy to see you. I will leave you. It's 10 p.m. here. Thank you so much, Rizlan, for joining today. And have a good night. See you. It's just a reliever. Well, cool. So I don't really see any questions coming in about Alaska. So if you have questions, like usual, send us an email. We are tracking pals at jumile.com or on Instagram. We answer pretty much every message that we get there. And with that, we'll close it for right now. Yeah, I think that's all. I feel bad. I feel like somebody might be typing up like a long question and we're just like saying bye and they're like furiously typing in the last moment. We'll give it five, four, three, hit the button, hit the button, hit the button, hit the button. Two, one. Okay, bye. All right. You guys take care. It was great hanging out with you. And we will see you soon on some new adventure. We'll see you guys next week. Bye.