 Good evening everyone and welcome to tonight's meeting to the public who's watching at home welcome Thank you for joining us before we start the meeting. We'll have our city clerk madam Sue Richards So read our quote of the week. Thank you mayor to effectively communicate We must realize that we are all different in the way we perceive the world and use this understanding as a guide to our communication with others I'll call the 24th regular meeting of the Common Council order. Madam city clerk. Will you please call roll? Bowman D-Berg E-Berg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron and van der Wiel 16 present or was present I'd asked all of them I read us and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you all the one Meyer Thank you your honor I would move that uh We approve the minutes of the previous meeting of the common council and the same stand approved is entered on the record There's motion to second to approve the minutes. Is there any discussion? There being none. All those in favor of state aye. Aye. Any opposed minutes stand approved Mayor's appointments the city attorney McLean Thank you your honor hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration to the charter communication free for a franchising advisory committee All the person Dennis Bowman Susan Hart mayoral assistant Kerry Coucher director of tv8 Andrew Bubb citizen and timothy Elvis citizen All terms shall automatically dissolve upon the execution of a contract between the city shaboy again and charter communications signed by the mayor Those appointments will lie over And the building use committee all the person gene kittleson term expiring 4 17 0 6 Joseph Clark carl regatti and cameron stewart terms expiring 4 30 0 6 signed by the mayor Ask for a motion to confirm So move your honor Motion to second to confirm any discussion There being none all those in favor of state aye. Aye. Any opposed appointments or confirmed Thank you attorney McLean public forum madame city clerk Yes, first on the list is milton storm If you would please come up to the microphone and mr. Storm. Can I have your home address, please? Yes, this is 1736 marvin court Marvin court And you will have five minutes, sir. Okay. Thank you I want to thank sue richards and the honorable mayor press And distinguished members of the common council for giving me this time to speak You could title my dissertation freedom of speech the first item. I would like to Address is the astute nasty letters to the editor criticizing WHBL radio and talk show host falsely The second item is rc 24 39 on page 6 of tonight's agenda The honorable mayor prez versus former alderman bonnet As congressman cents and members said at the impeachment of now citizen william jefferson clinton the democrat What chance do the poor and the weak have against the rich and the powerful in a court of law? In 1948 when I attended the university of wisconsin extension up in maryland wassa area I studied how to write letters to the editor of a newspaper It is a right and a privilege as a freedom of speech As with free speech and writing letters to the editor comes a responsibility honesty humbleness, and yes truthfulness Truthfulness may not always be beautiful, but then there is no beauty in untruthfulness The dispute between the arrogance of the honorable mayor and former alderman bonnet and letter writers against whbl seems to be smell of a rancid odor I will try to watch my language for fear of being bleeped or gabbled Whatever happened to freedom of speech is that why we find language at bowling alleys pubs and yes, even public streets The dispute between the mayor and the distinguished honorable former alderman bonnet could have been avoided if the mayor had listened to me When I called him personally on the phone I had written a letter to the editor about this matter, but the shaboygan press failed to publish it same on the press I told the honorable mayor that the bonnet was willing to forgive and forget I told the mayor also that he could demonstrate the same type of character by saying he also was sorry and stopped the silliness He was displaying That is when he went into a tie raid and said he did nothing wrong blamed everything on the former alderman and said to me I'm going to sue him After months of bickering acting like spoiled child the mayor is now passing the buck to eight members of the council and five others and blaming them With district attorney joe jackals decisions still will not admit that he had been wrong wasting a million dollars worth of taxpayer's money With some citizens of shaboygan mostly democrats I do not understand what is wrong with the freedom of speech of w.h. Bell's excellent broadcasters I suggest they read jeffrey mac angers book That can be found in a meet public library. Maybe mary lou Donahue and sharon winkle would be interested in reading it too jeffrey Mac angers youngest son is a special child just as my son was He has an article in here And it's named if tomorrow never comes and i'd like to read it If I knew it was the last time I would be there to share your day Well, i'm sure you'll have so many more so I can let this one just slip away Tomorrow is not promised to anyone young or old alike and today may be the last chance you get to hold your one tight Then you surely will when we get to the grade that you didn't take the extra time for a smile A hug or a kiss and you were just too busy to grant someone what turned out to be their last wish Take time to say i'm sorry. Please forgive me Thank you or it's okay And if tomorrow never comes you'll have no regrets about today And in closing a statement I used as a prayer at the budget crunch meeting and spiritual Gathering at st. Luke united Methodist church. I prefaced this book What I told congressman simpson brenner many years ago You will never change anything unless you show a change of attitude and you change your way of thinking God give me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change and give me the courage to change the things that I can And that need to be changed And give me the wisdom and understanding to know the difference between the two of them Thank you for listening and hopefully the citizens of this citizen can avoid and survive a recall if it occurs Thank you. Thank you As always it's uh It's important that there will be a point of clarification when statements are made such as tonight I think it's important for this council to remember and it's important for the community to know That I did not vote in that decision there was eight alderman who voted to send that complaint to the district attorney If you get down to the nitty-gritty And dissect the support some people may say that four of those alderman Have been in large part supporters of mine, although at many times they haven't supported some of my initiatives And that's okay because that's the way it should be But if four alderman are considered to be my supporters Where did the other four come from? There was at least eight people that felt it needed to move forward and that's what they did It wasn't me and people need to understand that the mayor Not vote and did not send that out to the district attorney's office So it is incorrect It is inappropriate to insinuate or to make that outright accusation against me The next thing that I would like to inform the public and the council With respect to similar issues is that there has been a lot of commotion That perhaps alderman graff Was involved in some impropriety I don't believe that there was ever any impropriety But I think it also should Something should be done to prove a point and to ease the community and let the community know That we will work as fair as we possibly can when the circumstances and the issues allow us So I will be documenting everything that occurred from the beginning of the non renewal of the chamber of commerce contract to the point where we created the tourism department and to the point where Ms. Graff was hired and all those details will be put in the form of a letter And they will be forwarded to the district attorney for his review And hopefully we will have a review from him a response from him soon So that these issues that keep interrupting our management and our operations can be put to rest They may be glorifying. They may be sensational But all they do is get in our way all they do is get in your way We cannot allow This to continue So the issue is that alderman graff is being given preferential treatment. I can assure you he is not You know, I will forward that letter within the next two days to the district attorney and ask him to quickly act on it So that we can put this matter to rest once and for all So that this council can get to work and do the work the public elected us to do Thank you Madam city clerk the next one. Uh, next on the list is henry capotillo Scheptillo, can you give me your home address, please 16 19 north 38th street shabuigan? And that's the town of shabuigan. Thank you, and you'll have five minutes. Okay I'm here today to speak on open government and um by When I say that I I mean by having citizens from the public to actually be able to attend meetings to You know hit have public comment And the reason I say that is you know, there's reasons why you have open meeting laws and why you have Basic reasons of why you're allowed to go into closed sessions when you do go into closed session and I think the reason that that that is that way is because You want the public to get as much information as possible To have access to any discussion that's being discussed For if it's taxation or if it's a project that's being developed That you should be able to have public input and even if you don't have public input to be able to have the public To at least listen to the discussions that are being held I know not too long ago. There was a comment that was made by the mayor Which basically said that you should not conduct council business at a radio station And I think that cuts both ways You that's right. You shouldn't be doing council business outside these council chambers And that means not only at a radio station, but that means that if you're meeting outside these chambers And it doesn't matter if it's uh one or two people if you're discussing council business and and working on that The public doesn't have access to that You may say well, you know what we're not breaking the open meetings law because you know, there wasn't a public quorum at these meetings And there were only a couple alderman there That really doesn't change things because what happens is the general public can't attend these meetings. I mean, where are they posted? They're not in the newspaper. They're not at the radio station I'm pretty sure that you're not just going to make over open invitations to anybody to attend these meetings So it's important That you keep this in mind that Council business should be conducted in the council chambers and also in the council committees that are that are developed There's a reason why you have committees standing committees that Discuss various issues that you have various alderman that are on there And that's to conduct the business of the city of shaboy again in those in those committee meetings and not to be Meeting outside of those meetings and and conducting business and then coming back And actually having your mind made up of what you're going to do because what happens is the public does not have access to that again There's sometimes where you want public input and you actually open up the floor Or you ask for public comment like today in this in this area You also ask for public input through referendums It's important that you keep this in mind that when you're you're conducting business that it should be conducted in these chambers here and The other thing I wanted to speak on was also to be able to accept other people's opinion and criticism on issues that That you may not agree on and I say this because There's been issues. I know there was a Perfect example as a flyer that was mailed out for alderman bonnie serda I mean as disgusting as it can be it happened Um, someone didn't agree with with with her her views and what happened. This is what you get um I read the paper on sunday and one of the things that came to mind of this was about former alderman Menard, which basically one of the things that caught my mind in this was And and and I'll read it. It says in an interview published shortly after the august 21st retirement Menard said she was proud of how she had represented her constituents. I never made a deal with anyone. She told the shabuagan press So what happens is? You can agree and disagree you can talk about compromise but do it within these chambers and again Issues that people don't agree with I think that It's far far from Doing the types of things like I said with with bonnie serda and also the little poison pen letters that I've gotten at my home Regarding certain things at our building You know what you hurt the people that are in our building. You are not hurting me If you want or you disagree with something that I say And if it's either here or out in the public Come to my office. Call me on the phone If you don't know where I work the address is 1428 north 9th street I'm in the anorized st. Nicholas hospital building. I'm on the second floor east side Can I have a little bit of extra time? You can you can come and see me if you disagree with what I have to say Come and see me if you if you don't like what I say call me My telephone number is four five three nine four four four Don't send anonymous little poison pen letters to the police department into it to us and You know I say come and see me but I know that these people won't do it because they're they're cowards They're people that do not have scruples that lurk in the shadows like the bigots and spew their venom And like I said, if you have a problem with what I stand and the issues that I support Come and see me personally Thank you very much. Thank you That's it Thank you, madam city clerk And thank you, mr. Cabotello mr. Storm. Thank you for addressing the council tonight Next item we have is the mayor's comments. There's two items that I'll be briefly touching on The first item will be the house number in ordinance. That's an effect And along with that ordinance and that those comments we will have a brief PowerPoint presentation done by our Inspections department And then I'll be talking about the city code update initiative that sort of ties into that But before we have that presentation, I just wanted to make a few comments regarding the housing Numbering numbering ordinance this pertains to the tiles There's tiles that are required by ordinance to be Above your door for safety reasons and all that will be explained to you tonight Last week there were some Notices posted on their doors or either that or sent out via email And some people got those notices and were Upset because they were being asked to comply with the ordinance I can understand sometimes people becoming upset because they're making me do it Why not the other people why not on that other side of town? Why not on this side of town and so forth? But it's not something that's being done to single people out There's a city ordinance in place. It will be enforced There's other city ordinances in place They too will be enforced and they will be enforced fairly and equitably No one is going to be singled out I will say also as a brief update since June 05 to To today There were about 255 letters sent regarding the same issue So it's not something that happened last week. It's not something that happened last month It's something that happened since 05 in june up until today. There were a total of 255 letters sent out Letters asking people to comply with the number numbering ordinance 44 second letters were sent out And 173 people came in and bought numbers So it's not something that happened last week. It's not something that happened to single anybody out It's not something that happened to punish anybody for it Because if that's what I was I got punished. They made me put numbers in front of my house too 10 years ago, my house was resided They yanked the numbers up out and never were put back on because guess what the mayor got to put them back on And I bought them here too. So it's not something that people that are Inspections department is singling anybody out and I will ask the alderman I appreciate your concern and your And you and you being thoughtful about caring for your constituents But if there's an issue that deals with some of the people that I have to to To work with and represent another represent but manage that are under the hierarchy of the the mayor Please talk to me. There's no need. There's no need To jump on the staff I'll take that beat in myself. You can jump on me if you want to But my staff the staff your staff is doing the best they can to enforce the ordinances to do a good job And by golly, I admire them and I respect them for that Larry with that being said would you please step up? Yes You can't lift it. You got to slide it. There you go. There you go. Just just this one here Thank you your honor and members of council and appreciate just the time to Explain our house numbering system and the importance of that and get that closer The importance of our house numbering system the primary responsibility of the building inspection department as it always is is the life safety issues of the city residents and We have come to expect when we call 911 that the police or fire or ambulance is going to be there within six minutes or a reasonable response time And the numbering system is part of that we expect Homeowners to have numbers on their house so they can find the houses in Short order when you when there's an emergency so Mayor Perez asked us to put together a short presentation on the house numbering system and why we we do that Um Over the past couple of years we've noticed that many of the houses in the city don't follow our numbering system And the requirement is that you buy the tiles by us and you put them on the front door and the side of door And we'll explain that as we go along As the mayor said we have sent out about 250 letters And we're going to probably sending out about four times that as we drive around the city We can see there's at least that many or more that are not in compliance So with that i'll ask pat or map to start the power point for us We've just got the housing Numbering system has been enacted since 1944. So we've had the system in place for 60 years And The chapter is municipal code it establishes uniform Numbering system of houses It establishes how the house numbers are to be assigned location The physical characteristics of the actual numbers and where the numbers are to be placed on the building Under this article The numbers and holders shall be uniform throughout the city Shall be procured from the city and cost paid for by the property owner. I have a set here This is what they look like. They're available from our office This set with four numbers and the and the frame is nine dollars and fifty cents So it's not a huge cost to the taxpayer And if you get three numbers it's less and so they are available through our office only That's the only place you can get them because they are reflective at night And we'll have an explain that as we go along The location of the number shall be conspicuously placed immediately above On or at the side of the proper door, which is the main door of your house which located on the front Facing the street so that the number can be seen plainly from the street. That's very important for the emergency Workers to find that Why why we have uniform numbering course emergency services the number one issue that we have Planning and zoning zoning utility service gas company and power company would like to know where you are Navigation if someone's visiting the city looking for your house They need to know how to find it quickly and record keeping for the assessors for building inspection everybody else who's looking for your house in the city Now we have some pictures of non conforming houses. We just randomly Matt randomly took some pictures Around the city you take a look at this one It's pretty difficult to see on the right side of the door It's a brass on a on a yellow house if you are looking for that at night or even during the day You can see it's very difficult to locate This one if you look on the post on the left side of the porch And it says 920, but it's very difficult to see even during the day. You can you have a hard time These are taken from the street So this one is a brown letters on a brown house very difficult to see at night, especially They have the the written letters They're okay. You can put them on but you must have the These city numbers you can always put your vanity numbers on you can put anything on that you want As long as you have the city numbers to go with them. This was one someone purchased that has a just a stick onto the siding It's not legal It's pop you can see it during the day, but at night it would not be reflective This one is on a mailbox if you take a look it's on the side if you're driving down the street There's no numbers on the front of the house someone chose to put it on a mailbox Which you couldn't find at night also here's An example of what mayor Perez said someone painted their house took the numbers off You can see where they were on the left side the door and they're gone This is also the black on white stick on letters. You can get it most of the home home centers, but that's not reflective at night Same situation here Similar brass letters on a brown house This looks nice right now and it probably could be easily found, but it's not part of our uniform system The same situation This one is in the bottom of the door you can see it's 531 very very hard to see on the screen door This is the old existing tile that has been in place since 1944 when we used to sell them in our office They were ceramic tiles actually they're not as reflective as they are now But they are still legal if you have them on your house The intent was to have a porch light if you turn your porch light on and you can see them that way They're they're pretty good at least they're at the side of the door This one says it's on the door 24 12 on the bottom It's technically legal, but it's really not a good place to find it if you have snow on the porch or something You really couldn't locate in a quick way This one matt took from the street. That's a typical The porcelain tile that we have and you can still see it if you're shining a flashlight at it from the street So that that's okay to have it on your house, although the newer ones are much better when we get there That's that's the new tiles. I just held up that one two three four You can see that this flashlight is not even shining on it's taken from 60 feet away and look at look at the difference if you were an ambulance driver What that would make a difference to find that place in in minutes This is taken from 150 feet away put it on its garage from the street and you can still see it And even the flashlight is not on it So this is uh directly illuminated without the flashlight is off to the side There's not even a light on it. You can still see how these new new tiles shine So that's why it's very important that we have them on the building correctly These we just got a couple pictures of the newer houses that have the vanity numbers Some of the newer ones in the subdivision like having those on but yet they have The house numbers that go with it. You can see there. It's 504 and they have them in the brick They look nice, but you still must have the city numbers This house under construction you can see the contractor just put it on the side for now until he Finished construction at least that way the contractor could Find them and also when when anyone takes a building permit out in the city for a new house We give them the numbers with it. We charge for them. So every contractor to get to house Any building even when blue harbor was built every one of those Condos had eight numbers. So we we provided them for them If from planning inspection perspective, we'd like to continue with the current ordinance and not have it changed Uh, you may install vanity plates numbering but uh uniform numbers must be displayed in accordance with the ordinance And uniform numbering is essential conducting department operations Deputy chief sharp is here. He would like to speak briefly on On the importance for the fire department to look at this And also deputy chief weiss is here also. He would like to speak in the perspective of the police department Thank you. Larry the fire department does support this concept in fact in the commercial buildings and the Residential three units are more where we regularly do fire inspections. We have enforced this for a long time But the concern is in the residential area is the one in two family homes that do not get regular fire inspections It's very very important that we know what to look for and where to look for it You might ask why and just a couple comments and points that i'd like to make up first of all It's not only for your home. It's for your neighbors as we approach homes We're coming down the street and we're starting to look for addresses before we actually get to The block or the part of the block that where we're going we look for numbers as so we know exactly how close we're getting Why do we do this? In case of a fire this is a very important fact If there's a fire at your home and we're responding with our trucks from several different stations They don't just end up in front of your house in some kind of a random order. There's a system to what we do We pull an engine company past the house We stop one of our truck companies right in front The company that might be making the fire hydrant comes from the other direction and lays holes If the first unit that's at this residence overshoots this house and stops past it further than they want to That can have a adverse effect on our entire operations as Uh, if the driver would take time to back up that can be an unsafe practice If he leaves the truck where it is it can have a total effect on everything we do right from the get goal I don't think I have to tell you that what we do whether it's our ems services or fire services Time is very important loss time can cause loss of life I think that's points been made and many things that we talk about here But this numbering system is surely something that is very very important I have to say in looking at the presentation here tonight I personally didn't realize how bad the situation is and how many of these there are and I I say on behalf of the fire department and the firefighters who serve you that we totally support this. Thank you Mr. Mayor council members, uh police department would also support This continuation of this ordinance Pretty much everything's been said already especially at night When we roll up on a specific area We generally have a An idea of where we're at however when you start zeroing in we need to see the specific address number when the when you shine a alley light or a spotlight On a residence that's in compliance. It just lights up that makes it so much easier and The seconds are critical. Not everything is a life and death emergency, but Uh, I rolled up on houses where I never did find it And it was a decorative one it blended in it was beautiful in daylight couldn't see it all at night And uh, so we would support this enforcement this ordinance. Thank you And from the planning inspection, uh the perspective of the requiring uniform number still allows for vanity without the ordinance Uh changes to regulate the virtually unlimited types of styles We're much better having it. We we we regulate only the uniform numbering system And that is much much easier for us in the city The reason that we're doing this tonight is because of the 250 letters that were sent out Some of the alderman have been getting complaints and questioning why we're doing this and Why are we picking on them? And there was even a question as to whether we should be changing the ordinance and you can see the importance of keeping it Like it is And as we send out the next uh thousand or so letters, which i'm sure we will be doing shortly Um throughout the course of the summer as we have time when you get the calls from the From the citizens saying is that all the inspectors have to do? Well, that's something that's one thing We do have to do it's part of our job and we're going to continue Uh providing safety to the citizens. So I thank you for your time if you have any questions We're open to that any questions alderman Thank you very much gentlemen appreciate your time Good Yes, please. Thank you again gentlemen deputy chief. Thank you And as a final note, I'd ask the alderman to please cooperate with us We're there's a lot of work that needs to be done all over the city in particular the inspections department I asked the public to please bear with us and understand that we have a job to do Again, we're not singling anybody out Just something that needs to be done and i'm sure When other letters go out Several of you alderman may or may not get letters Please help us explain the importance of this ordinance. Thank you Next one i'll touch on briefly is the city code update initiative and this is something that's uh derivative of the clean city initiative and The fact that the house number in ordinance has been enforced I have had several people call email and actually come by and talk to me personally in my office expressing some concerns and rightfully so about how Some of our ordinance ordinances May not make any sense at all may need to be tweaked may be unnecessarily punitive may be Stupid as i've been told that ordinance is stupid Uh my reaction to that my response to that do exactly what we've done in the past If there are citizens that are concerned about particular issues that impact their lives In particular the the number in Ordinance, which is a quality of life issue and we have a duty and an obligation to make sure that we set up a forum to listen to them um And along those lines, I will be Having a an initiative where we I will call for five public sessions And invite the public to come in and tell us where the ordinances need to be looked at tweaked Done away with and so forth But I think the main thing that's going to occur from these listening sessions is that the public will better understand the uh The the reasoning behind a lot of these ordinances and it's important for us to do that There will be five listening sessions At the moment we we're going to be scheduling the five listening sessions at the library At different times of the day I will ask again a member of the pd of police department a member from fire department inspections department to be there During the listening sessions to answer any questions all the alderman will be invited to attend also If you've had any constituents that have expressed concerns of our ordinances, please Be present so that you can answer questions too But it's an important initiative because I think uh after all these years a lot of these ordinances have been there a long time And maybe our citizens have have a point. Maybe some of the ordinances need to be tweaked I know that there's one in particular that brought some concerns That uh, we've already addressed with inspections department and we'll be making some tweaking in that particular ordinance And that deals with the clear water inspections The clear water inspections as you know, it's coming to play now And we're doing those clear water inspections and there are instances where Where perhaps the the ordinance does not make sense or needs to be addressed and And perhaps even amended or modified so that'll be an issue to deal with when we have our listening sessions So again, I invite the public to attend when we announce that I invite the council to attend And anyone who has any concerns about our ordinances Thank you Next item we have two hearings hearing number one to change the zoning classification of property located at 1435 south 7th street The ol optenberg site from class nr 6 neighborhood neighborhood residential 6 In ui urban industrial of the class morning star pud which is planning unit development 2006 classification The second hearing we have is to repeal and recreate section 15 0.915 Subsection 5 and 6 of the historic preservation regulations of the city of shabuigan zoning code Relating to the powers duties and procedures for designation of historic structures Historic sites and historic districts Is there anyone here that would like to address the council with respect to these hearings? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? With respect to these hearings I will ask one more time. Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Alderman Cigali Thank you. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I appreciate if a city attorney in the clean could discuss This historical preservation ordinance that we are brought to an act if you could just explain To the citizens briefly just what this is concerning since The old ordinance is sold and now we have upgraded it so that they know what is going on City attorney McLean Thank you, your honor. Uh, be happy to Alderman Cigali the uh, the the primary change to The historic preservation Regulations which are part of the zoning code and that's why the Statute requires a public hearing on them Right now There's uh, there's three categories. There's historic sites historic structures and historic districts that are designated in the historic preservation regulations Currently and since the ordinance was adopted historic districts are Uh, recommended by the historic preservation commission to the council and the council establishes the districts, but the historic preservation commission Has the power to create historic sites and historic structures and Number of years ago Ran into an issue where the commission started to do that designated some city-owned facilities as historic and You know only council only found out about it later. I think founton park had been designated and Uh, I think the intent was to designate the county courthouse And it was just done at the committee level without really any input from the council or anything What the what the change does in essence is to make all of those designations historic sites structures and districts Recommendations by the historic preservation commission to the council and the council then will approve those or Take Take the recommendations from the historic preservation commission and decide whether to establish the historic sites structures and districts and that's really in essence the The change Thank you, attorney mclean. Are there any questions? One more time. Is there anyone else that would like to address the council? There being none president graff Thank you, your honor. I've moved that both hearings be closed Motion to second to close both hearings. Any discussion on that? All those in favor state. Aye. Aye. Any opposed hearings are closed Consent agenda 24 1 through 24 23 president graff I was 24 1 through 24 33 I would move that all Our o's be accepted and filed all our c's be accepted and adopted We pass the resolutions and the general ordinance Motion to second any discussion There being none open bowman I thank you, your honor 24 17. Please if I could just ask for a hold out, please Pull out for a separate vote discussion. Also on discussion, please and and vote 24 17 correct pulled out for a separate vote and discussion. Please proceed On this resolution. I just have a question for the finance committee. Please and this is the Is this fee actually legal and the reason I'm asking that is because Usually it is charged if there's a third party provider And if we process these direct the mastercard visa rules do prohibit service fees for all retailers From doing the same. So i'm just kind of wondering if this is through a third service provider Hold on graff president graff. Thank you, your honor I would say yes that same question came up at at the finance committee and Steve if you want to further explain about it But it's something that we can do attorney mclean Yes, thank you. I don't have personal knowledge of this, but I understand that the county Clerk of courts the county courthouse currently has the same Authority and they charge 2.75 percent and so All we're doing really is authorizing that To do the same thing as the circuit court did for the municipal court. They they charge the same fee in the counties I will say it was there was some discussion of that at the At the advisory committee for the joint municipal court Sergeant Tarkowski. I think brought up a comment that because of the service fee It was his understanding a lot of people don't avail themselves of using credit cards because they got to pay the extra fee but I guess that we can deal with as we go as if I feel it's not warranted to have the service fee or to accept credit cards, but It was felt that It's being consistent with what's currently allowed and provided for at the county that somebody does want to pay with credit card it's a convenience to the the citizen Holden Bowens, is it okay? Thank you, sir. Oldman susha Thank you. I really do like the The concept of allowing people to pay their fines through credit card. I think that's a great idea Now you mentioned that you checked with how the county is currently doing it But did anybody call the credit card company to see if this is legal because I do agree with elder embalment I know that in a private business you cannot charge more. So did somebody call the credit card company? I don't know oldman susha. I did not I haven't I didn't have any involvement specifically in this So no And again, there's nothing that's being done above and beyond what The citizens are not used to doing with the county when they were paying the fines before If there's a problem with us doing this, it certainly would have been a problem with the county doing it Any other comments? Okay, 24 17 will be pulled for a separate vote. Madam city clerk, please call the roll We need a motion. Oh, you need a motion. Yes, sir. That would work. No No Well, you had a motion you wanted you don't want it for a separate vote. Okay, that's what we're okay So you just wanted to discuss it. We've got to discuss. There's a motion and a second To approve the consent agenda Anything else? There being none. Madam city clerk, please call the roll. Okay D bird E bird Serta davis graph Kittleson mani meyer montemayor radkey sagali stephan sushi van akron Vander wheel and bowman 16 ayes motion carries communications and petitions 24 through 30 24 34 to 24 37 except 24 36 will go to public protection and safety They will be referred report of officers to 24 38 by the city attorneys have been as a matter of record a communication by lee realty of shabuigan ink Requested an extension of the closing date for the sale of city-owned text parcel number 59281-471040 president graph Thank you, your honor. I need to pull forward 24 56 with that same document though Which is the resolution Authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute an amendment Profit of purchase And I'd ask for a suspension of the rules on the on the suspension on the um resolution. There's a mo Request to suspend the rules on 24 56 as it relates to 24 38. Is there any objection to that? There'd be a non. Please proceed and your honor. I'd move that the are all be accepted and Filed and that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion to second any discussion I'm under discussion your honor. We need to approve this this evening as The original contract expires on march 30th and in order to grant this extension We need to approve it tonight. Thank you president graff Any other discussion? Madam city clerk, please call the roll eberg Serta davis groth kittleson manny Meyer montmayor Radke sagali stefan sushi van akron van der wheel bowman and deberg 16 ayes motion passes 24 39 by the city clerk submitting as a matter of record the district attorney's opinion Referring to anthony bonnet ethical review, which was received by the mayor's office on march 15 206 president graff file Here I move that the um, I'll be accepted and placed on file Motion to second to accept place on the file under discussion There being none all those in favor state. I any oppose motion carries 24 40 by the library board president stating that the library board voted to make the recommendation to the common council to adopt general ordinance number 103-0506 repealing and recreating section 58-38 of the municipal code relating to the audit of vouchers for library expenditures president graff Thank you, and I would move that the our all be accepted and placed on file There's a motion in the second place on file under discussion There being none all those in favor state. I Any oppose motion carries 24 41 lies over to april 17th 24 42 through 24 55 to be referred 24 57 We have a suspension on that one. Yeah, yes. Who's a president graff? Thank you, honor. I would ask for suspension on this resolution Is there any objection suspension? There being none, please proceed. Thank you, honor. I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion to second is there a second Second under discussion under discussion your honor Just to let people know this is to to um get the appropriation for acquisition planning and services appraisal for the walmart development and this is um Something that is paid back through the um through the walmart corporation uh to us So it's just to get this started as quickly as possible. Thank you president graff any other discussion There being none madam clerk, please call the roll Serta Davis Graff Kittleson Manny Myron Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman D-Berg and e-Berg 69 Motion carries 24 58 lies over 24 59 to be referred Report of committee six 24 60 will be referred back to law and licensing 24 61 by special committee on risk management Recommendant filing document submitting a claim from david galinetti for alleged damages to his vehicle When his city snowplow struck the vehicle and paying the claim in the amount of $6,498 and 4 cents Alderman pros and graff Thank you, and I would move that the rc be accepted and adopted and that the claim be paid in the amount of $6,498 and 4 cents There's motion and On the second under discussion There being none, please call the roll. Madam clerk davis Graff Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman D-Berg e-Berg and surda 16 highs Motion carries 24 62 by salary and grievance grievances recommended filing documents submitted a communication Being a press release from the shaboyan county taxpayers stating that Stating they have various concerns regarding the shaboyan tourism coordinator position Vice president berg. Uh, yes, sir. I move to file Motion to file Any discussion? There are being none all those in favor of state. Aye. Any opposed? One one opposition Motion carries 24 63 24 64 to be referred Report of committees 7 24 65 by law and licensing recommended denying the change of premises for the niche bar based upon their previous record of violations The committee standards for permitting premise changes and a lack of evidence that they meet the statutory requirements for such a change Alderman manning Thank you, sir. We'll be accepting file report of committee It's a motion to second to accept and file under discussion There are being none. Madam city clerk. Let's call the roll gruff kittleson manny meyer montemayor radkey sagali stefan sushi van akron van der wheel bowman D-Berg e-Berg surda and davis 16 highs motion carries 24 66 by finance Recommended filing resolution number 288-0506 by all the person sushia Requiring any city employee who plans to travel out of the state on city business must obtain approval by the common council president grau You know, I would move that the rcb accepted and adopted and that we file this resolution There's a motion in the second under discussion There are being none. All those in favor state. Aye any opposed one day Motion carries 24 67 to be referred the part of committee's eight 24 68 by salary and grievances recommended filing resolution 258-0506 by alderman manning Regarding the formation of a short term committee on employee renumeration Vice president berg Oh, yes, thank you. You're on a move for the filing There's a motion. It's the second to file under discussion There being none all those in favor state. Aye any opposed motion carries I'm sorry. Apologize alderman manning. I'd wanted to make a statement first to wait please do the votes been taken. Is there something Is there any objection from the council to let alderman manning make a statement after the vote has been taken? Please do sir. Thank you I want to be clear too. First of the question Filing this document then means that the request is dead correct I'm sorry Bellarmongraff saying yes. Yeah, that's what I understood I want to speak on behalf Of the document Although it looks like at this point in time. There won't be much ability to influence the council to vote otherwise And I was going to offer an amendment to it After I was going to speak on behalf of this And speaking on behalf of the resolution huge concern in the city is the budget And behind the conversation is the tax rate And the pressure with declining revenues from the state, etc The biggest part of our problem is personnel costs As 90 percent of the budget is constituted by those costs There is a perceived problem of injustice That lives in some real measure in the city In that perceived sense of the justice is the cost for health care The benefit packages for public employees Versus those that are basically current and present in the private sector Uh, this resolution and such a committee would bring to the table information That would be helpful It might point out that in fact, um, there is a major discrepancy And if so, that would be leverage in conversing with and dealing with unions and labor contract negotiations Information on the other hand might suggest that reimbursement for public employees is is quite consistent with historical norms And if that were the case of the conclusion of this study That would be interpretively important for citizens of the city In recognizing that degree in which public employees are reversed So I think this resolution is intended to bring us information Information is power information is helpful information. I think is good responsive and informed government And that's why I would speak on behavior on behalf of this resolution And I do that move also to change one term of the resolution from Um on page two at the top from july until august Okay, the uh The vote has been taken in order to read readdress the issue. We would need a motion to reconsider In order to readdress it all in month of my life Thank you your honor. I'll make a motion to reconsider Agenda item number 2468 Motion to second to reconsider under discussion Oh, those in fairer state. I Roll call Motion to reconsider open up the issue again so that all of mani can formally make a motion to I've excuse me an i vote would be to reconsider kittleson mani Meyer montemayor ratki sagali stefan sushi van akron van der wheel balman de berg eberg serda davis and graff 12 eyes for nos Motion passes all in many you may make your amendment now, please motion to amend Yes, I move to amend the top resolution on page two to change the word july To the word august There's motion. Is there a second and a second to amend accordingly under discussion? follow me sushi Um, thank you. I think that this definitely needs to be done and the reason that I voted initially to file it is because that I think that the salary and grievance committee should be looking at this I don't know if there's really a need to create another committee To look at it again. I mean, doesn't this fall under the umbrella of salary and grievance? Perhaps the chairman could answer that question My president bird Yes, thank you your honor. Uh, there are uh, one of our goals is to look at the exempt Employee classification because that's the one that we have the most if you would flexibility with rather than The union so in that has been a goal adopted by the salary and grievance committee But the goal does not typically address comparables in private sector Because with the meat our below although there are some changes planned Private sector comparisons don't play heavily into the meat our decision-making Thank you, my friend bird any other questions There being none we will call the roll Just having a moment Okay, all those in favor of the amendment state aye union opposed Okay, that's what I thought roll call Okay, and I vote would be to amend from july to august mani Meyer montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Susha Van Akron Bander wheel Bowman deberg Eberg Serda Davis graph And kittleson Ten eyes six nose ocean carries many like make a motion to Pass up as a amended Okay, uh, I move to Except for report the committee and move the resolution Um Be put upon its passage with the amendment There's a motion the second under discussion all of them Stefan I think it's motion. He said it's going to accept the report of the committee In the report of the committee is to file the document. I just want to be clear So we're voting on filing it Right. Is that what the motion was? Owen grove That's not the motion that he may mean to Um accept the um Accept the report of committee but to pass the resolution Is that correct? Owen many So we're filing the report of committee, but we're looking at passing the resolution Right, so we're not accepting and adopting the report of committee because the report of committee is to file The resolution so that's not what we're doing correct Attorney McLean, thank you your honor I've always viewed the difference between accept and adopt versus accept and file accept is to Accept the report It's not necessarily to Approve the report accept and adopt the report is to approve the report Accept and file is to accept it but to file it Not to act on it in a positive manner So I believe the motion is appropriate to accept the report from the committee That doesn't mean You're approving or acting on the report of the committee. You're accepting that but you're Being asked to vote on favorably on the resolution Thank you, attorney McLean everybody understand that Stefan did you wish to speak sir? I'm sorry. I tried that a few months ago when I was told we couldn't vote against the report of committee We have to put the report of committee up to a yay or nay vote and then if we didn't like it We could come in with another resolution We couldn't you know take the report of committee that said no and I would say I wanted to be yes And I was I was told that was out of order. I couldn't do it Well, attorney McLean That's another issue and I I agree with that that's The the The action ought to be that that's correct. Uh, you've Took the original vote was To file this you move to reconsider So really what's on the floor is the committee's recommendation And that should be voted down if and then Alderman Manny should be allowed to make his motion to pass the resolution. So I I agree with that Okay, let's explain that so the motion If if this council wishes to pass the amendment They need to vote down the report of committee and then Alderman Manny needs to make a subsequent motion to approve the resolution That's yes, sir. Do you have that? Okay, everybody understand that we have president drop Thank you, your honor. Well that being the case and I urge everybody to vote down there's rc and then ultimately Support passing the resolution in in the salary and grievances committee This was a 2-2 tie during two different votes And then finally we voted to recommend filing to the common council to get it out of the Salary and grievances committee and then it came out for zero to accept in and file and At this point in time I would prefer that this committee would be enacted and we can look at these salaries Does anybody want a roll call and a motion to file? I would like to Roll call A navel would be not to file. Yes And a navel it will be to vote down the report of committee That's your intention and I is to vote to file A nays to vote not to file Okay, everybody understand that Thank you. Please call the roll madam city clerk Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serta Davis Graf And Kittleson Six eyes ten nos motion fails motion fails All in any Thank you. Your honor I then move that the resolution be put upon its passage As amended Correct as a man There's a second under discussion All in Serta Thank you. Your honor just in reference because I think it's appropriate Is this something similar that we just did to document 2466 do we have to vote? Because I think what we did is we voted to file, but then we accepted the resolution and adopted Did we need that we didn't okay just fine Same thing I turn with lead Thanks, um, I understood All in Serta's question was on 2466 That you filed the uh, you accepted the recommendation of the committee to file the document Okay Okay, we're back to 2468 motion to Pass the resolution as amended Please call the roll Meyer Montemayor Ratke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vanderweel Baumann Dberg Eberg Serta Aye Davis Graf Kittleson And Manny Ten eyes six nose Motion carries 2469 by public protection and safety recommended temporarily declaring certain streets as truck routes so as to the best protect residential neighborhoods during the commerce avenue reconstruction And to prevent future problems with truckers using shortcut on non-truck route Alderman Vanderweel Thank you, honor I'll make a motion to accept to end up the report of committee and put the resolution upon his passage There's a motion in a second Alderman Dberg Thank you, mr. Meyer This one here I cannot support whatsoever As we all know Not too long ago The area of Sheridan park was hallowed ground for all the kids that were going to be playing in the park And we were going to protect The neighbors The residents and all the children in that area So what do we do? We put heavy trucking Right down the middle of the Residential area right past Sheridan park where all the children are going to be playing I hope I'm voting no on this Because if anything would happen to any child or anything in that neighborhood at least i'll be able to sleep at night So i'll i'll vote no Thank you, mr. Berg. Alderman sagali Thank you, mr. Meyer. I also will be voting no on this I know it's only going to be a short period of time that commerce avenue is going to be shut down But I also know that that's going to be the busiest time for the children To be in that area because school will be out. So I feel also that this is going to be a danger to the children In that area. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Alderman. Sarada. Did you wish to speak? Okay, I got you. Okay. We're trying to get those lights as a blank. Alderman Meyer Thank you, your honor. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Alderman Sarada. You're not you're you're not on Thank you your honor I too have concerns about traffic around Sheridan park, but my main concern is 14th street versus 13th street Which is only going to be temporary 14th street is nothing but speeding all the time And um, I'm sure that once this truck route temporary truck route starts down 13th street All the parents that are going to be aware that this is happening And I'm sure they are intelligent enough to make sure their children are not playing in the road And seeing that this is the only route that is available for the trucks to get to the docks This is the only solution we have and this comes from our experts from public works They're the ones that came up with this route initially And there's no other other alternative unless we want to shut down Mainline and rock line, which is what this will do if the trucks can't get to their docks So I suggest that we all accept this It's temporary and it should it shouldn't cause any problems. Thank you. Thank y'all are Meyer. Alderman metter wheel Thank you, honor I just wanted to say in committee that we did listen to the neighbors concerns And tom holton was there and we worked with tom holton to address those concerns And we came up with solutions and we came up with ways to slow down traffic And get the trucks to go over on them too. So thank you Thank you, your honor I too am going to support this document because we've got three businesses down there We can't be shutting these businesses down for several months at a time We are doing them a service by replacing commerce street as long as I can remember I can't remember the last time if ever that commerce street has actually been worked upon It's a it's a problem down there. I hate taking my card on there It seems like it's ready to fall apart just driving my card on that street But those neighbors down there are good businesses. They provide a lot to this community As a matter of fact almost 190,000 dollars worth of taxes between all the various different businesses down there We need to take care of our businesses in this community. We can't be shutting them down We can't be saying look we got to look out for one street because Some of the kids may be hurt because they're running the street It'll adjust the kids will adjust and be able to work with this Safety is my concern as well, but business is also my concern And we need to take care of our local businesses because Frankly folks, there are other people that take care of us every day when we get paid So we can go out and spend our money and pay our taxes and everything else. So I'll support this document Thank you all one right Anybody else? Okay, we will call the roll. Madam city clerk Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Hi Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Bauman Excuse me Thank you Dberg Eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny and Meyer 12 eyes four nos motion carries Reported committees 9 24 70 by public works recommended repeating and recreating section 74-2 of the municipal code relating to the establishment of parks and passing the substitute ordinance Allerman Bauman I thank you your honor I would move then that the report of committee be accepted and adopted that the Substitute ordinance be put upon as passage There's a motion and a second under discussion allerman montemay Thank you your honor. I think this is a great Motion that we're working on this evening. However, I do have an amendment Section 3 I would like a motion to add a new section 3 and I would like it to read Any amendment to this ordinance must be passed by a three-fourths vote of the common council And that would make Section 3 being section number 4. Does that make sense what I just said? Motion and a second under discussion. There being none Loan and Meyer Thank you your honor. I agree with alderman montemay. This is a very serious matter our parks and Seeing that we do have people in this community that really don't understand the value Of our park system And maybe they just see things differently But our parks are very very important to our city and our people And I think if we make it as hard as we can to take a park It's in the best interest of all the people in this community. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman mire Alderman graf perler graf Thank you I'm curious about this amendment up in section 1 the Second last sentence says the recommendation of the board of parks and forced to commission to the public works committee to take Apart for any not non park use must be approved by the public works committee and confirmed by three fourths vote of the common council Isn't that the same as the amendment No, because that particular clause can be changed by a majority of the council anytime Then it defeats that purpose. All right. Does it make sense to you? When you have a three fourths vote closed like that a lot of times it Becomes symbolic because a majority of the council to come back and change at any time But if you require a three fourths vote and then a three fourths vote till men and that locks it in vice president Byrne Yes, thank you, and I guess I will vote against this because for me in order to establish a three quarters vote by a majority We should have a three quarters vote to To pass the document a couple of thoughts on that I think when we looked at Recent contractual matters between the library director and the library board one of the things that stood out would be a 100 percent of that particular board you need to vote for a particular incident I think that stood out very clearly Any change in this ordinance? I guess for example, we have had a park board in the past that For a number of reasons apparently the council did away with We could not do away with the park board without having a three quarters vote for example of the Of the council to change this ordinance. I don't know and I guess a question for attorney McLean How many ordinances do we have on the books that you're aware of that are like this that require If you would the super majority or the three quarter Vote to change any of our ordinances attorney McLean Thank you your honor the only votes I'm aware of that require three quarters. There was one at one time I believe to To change if you're going to change the table of organization it would require a some sort of a study And that study would require a three quarter voter. There was some Provision we had in there for a short period of time generally super majority votes are Are set by statute. There are certain provisions that require More than a majority vote, but typically roberts rules of order and our Rules of procedure call for amendment To be made by a majority vote There are some special voting requirements That are statutory zoning amendments where somebody files a protest requires three quarters of all members Establishment of fuel depots in the city require a three quarter vote of all members Acceptance of budget Procedures detachment of territory Um, those are all statutory so You know it is a concern when you start changing the The rules of procedure for particular documents I think an amendment. I think you could From a legal standpoint probably amend this to require amendments To need a three quarter vote But I would question for instance I don't believe you could establish in here that it would require a three quarter vote to repeal this because Repeal or rescind under roberts rules of order is a Calls for a majority vote and not A super majority one one way you could get You know perhaps a a better way to get a super majority would Provide for a charter ordinance you could do that if you have a charter ordinance that requires a two-thirds vote to repeal But I'm Yeah, I'm hesitating a little bit because I guess I'm Concerned about adopting this with that three quarter vote requirement to amend it. I'm not Uh Sort of caught off guard here, but I'm a little concerned about being able to do that and how that can Uh relates to roberts rules and and our own rules of procedure Thank you, attorney McLean. My my understanding is that although the rubber rules of order calls for a simple majority Rubber rules of order sets a minimum of the vote isn't set up cap. It doesn't say you cannot allow a three quarters of vote Um, although it's a serious thing to a lot to require a three quarters vote I can guarantee you it's a serious thing to mess around with parts and start taking parts And this is a message that this council needs to send So that we can assure this community that our parts are never again going to be threatened This is extremely important council that we pass this resolution as amended The message has to be consistent that this council is sensitive and jealously protects Our green space our parks It's not impermissible. It's not illegal to require three quarter votes The rules present to you at least the minimum It can happen And if we are serious about protecting our parks And then I ask you to please approve this with the amendment Anybody else please call the roll We first got an all eyes on the amendment Yes Do you want to do a roll call on the amendment roll call on the amendment? Okay, everybody understand what we're voting on. No, I'm seeing shaking hands. We're voting on the amendment Um to create the new section three to read I believe on the mont mayor any change in the ordinance requires a three quarters vote of the common council Is that basically what you were? Yes. Thank you an aye vote would be to allow the amendment Red key Excuse me. I just to clarify that Hold on mont mayor then the current section three would become section four. You're not proposing to delete. No, the existing one Thank you. Please continue red key Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer and mont mayor eight eyes And each nose one two three four five six seven eight eyes eight nose title. It's an easy one for me. I Motion passes as an amendment passes now. I'd ask for a motion to pass as amended. Which please hold on mont mayor Say there are any promotions that say The ordinance we're getting we're creating section 72-4 of the municipal code related establishing Partly put about its passage as amended as amended. Yes second Any discussion president drop. Thank you, but it's um, I believe it's the Substitute of that general ordinance not the general ordinance. Yes, that's right Thank you all Please follow rule Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Excuse me Said hi Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor And ratki Thirteen eyes three nose motion carries 24 71 by finance recommended repealing and recreating section 5838 of the municipal code relating to audit of vouchers for library expenditures president rough Thank you, your honor. I would move that the rc be accepted and adopted and we pass the general ordinance There's a motion in the second under discussion all women sushi Thank you your honor. Um, I would like to make a small amendment to the um ordinance um at the end of the second line it says or schedules Um, I would just like to remove that so what that would mean is that the library would have to forward all the vouchers Um, they don't have the option of forwarding the schedule that way all the vouchers could be looked at by our finance department So we can see that the bills actually truly do exist Was there a second to that amendment? Let me do that motion second under discussion on the amendment only changing one word There'd be a non does anybody want a roll call or a voice vote? There'd be a non all those in favor state. Aye. Any opposed motion carries Motion to put forth as amended Holden grub Um, I would move that the rc be accepted and adopted and the general ordinance as amended be put upon its passage Second motion in the second under discussion There'd be a non Attorney McLean I'm a little slow on the switch here, but the the language Or schedules covering the same Is statutory language that That came right out of the statutes And I guess at this point I would recommend that you conform to the statutory language, but I think you can You make the uh, you've amended it. So you've taken that out. I think you can adopt this without that language in there but that language was was in because That was the language that was in the statute Oldman month my law. Thank you your honor. Um attorney McLean Could we substitute the word and for the word or can we do that much? Attorney McLean, well, yeah, and I think you can delete the schedules as well All all I'm suggesting is if you want to be consistent with the statutory language It would be okay to leave in the or schedules. I mean that's the statute allows Vouchers or the schedules covering the same to be reviewed by the library board I think you can take that out you change it to and if you wish You could make those changes. So, you know, there's nothing illegal about doing that, but You're then getting away from the strict Strictly following the language of the statute We have all humans Thank you. I think perhaps then I would like to make more hold on. Oh, excuse me. Hold on On to my oh, okay. Thank you Then I think I would like to make the motion to leave the word Schedules in there and simply make forward the vouchers and schedules covering the same Okay, we do have a motion on the floor. Do you wish to withdraw yours at all too? What the city attorney is saying is that we can make it more restrictive and that's not illegal I don't believe it's illegal. Okay, because I think you can make a statute more restrictive You just can't make a statute more liberal. So I'd like to just take a vote on it We want to withdraw your yes Alderman sushi, can you just clarify for me because I have when you made the motion to change Did you say to change or to and and that was all you were doing? What was your motion? My motion was To remove or schedule or schedules and just replace it And that replace it at all, okay That's a great precaution to take all miss herda. Did you wish to speak ma'am? Thank you. Paul. I'm the Stefan sir Thank you your honor Last week the finance board met with the library board I thought we had good discussion on a lot of different issues and this didn't come up It sounds logical, but I don't know that but you know, I'd like to know what the Ramifications of it are for the library board. So I guess I would Ask that we refer it back to the joint meeting between the finance committee and the library board I think you know just to make sure that it doesn't cause any More paperwork than we're you know trying to save There's no harm in that almost so should you have any objection to that referring it back? Would you like to withdraw your motion till men draw my motion and recommend we refer it back To finance and library board Didn't we already pass the your honor didn't we already pass the amendment? Yes So no, we didn't the first amendment we did we have an allies on the remove the or schedules But we're just sending the whole thing back So there's no reason for all of them in sucia to withdraw her motion because that's already been Was there a second to refer was there a second to refer over sucia second. Thank you all member Polls in favor referring it back state I Any opposed motion carries. Thank you matters laid over 23 25 Oro number 6 120506 by the city plan commission recommending repealing and recreating section 15 9 15 subsection 5 and 6 Of the historic preservation regulation of the city of shabuigan zoning ordinance relating to the powers duties and procedures for designation of historic structures Historic sites and historic districts and this has been addressed by our city attorney mclean during the public hearing Paulerman monta maiore Thank you your honor I make a motion we accept and adopt the report of officer and the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion in the second under discussion There being none. Please call the roll Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman D. Burke Eber Serda Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Monta Maior Racky And segali 16 eyes motion carries 23 26 ro number 6 130506 by the city plan commission recommending rezoning property located at 14 35 South 7th street the old optenberg site from class r from class nr 6 neighborhood residential and U.I urban industrial to class morning star PUD plan unit development 206 classification Allerman monta maiore Thank you your honor I'm in commotion to accept and adopt the ro and the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion in the second under discussion There being none. Please call the roll madam city clerk susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman D. Burke Eber Serda Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Monta Maior Racky segali And stefan 16 eyes motion carries 23 27 ro number 6140506 by the historic preservation commission recommending approval of general ordinance number 9050506 relative to repealing and recreating section 15 915 subsection 5 and 6 of the historic preservation Regulation of the city of shabuigan Zoning ordinance relating to the powers duties and procedures for the designation of historic structures historic sites and historic districts alderman segali Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm moved that the ro be accepted and placed on fire There's a motion in second to accept and place on the file under discussion There being none all those in favor state. I any opposed motion carries 2346 resolution number 280506 by alderman graph stefan monta maior Susha davis authorizing a transfer of appropriation in the 206 budget president graph Thank you. I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage This motion the second under discussion There being none madame clerk. Please call the roll van Akron Vander wheel Bowman D. Burke E. Burke Serda Davis graph kittleson mani mire monta maior ratki segali stefan and susha 16 ayes motion carries 2374 general ordinance 950506 by alderman susha vander wheel ratki mire and monta maior Amending general ordinance number 90 0506 relating to the no parking prohibitions to change End quote add a no parking school days only 7 a.m. To 4 p.m. With arrow pointing west 40 feet west End quote to read start quote add a no parking school days only 7 a.m. To 4 p.m. With arrows pointing west 40 feet east End quote the change from west to east Of the curb lines of south 16th street along the north side of wilson avenue Alderman mani wheel Thank you, honor. I'll move to put the ordinance upon its passage Motion to second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion There being on madame city clerk. Please call the roll Vander wheel Bowman D. Burke E. Burke Serda Davis graph kittleson nanny mire monta maior ratki segali stefan susha and van Akron 16 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 24 72 will go to a special committee on risk management 24 73 will be referred to public works 24 74 will go to public protection and safety 24 75 will go to finance 24 76 a resolution by alderman groff authorizing the issuance and providing for the sale of three Million dollars general obligation promissory notes series 2006 a And one million four hundred thousand dollars general obligation promissory notes series two 206 b tiff number six and providing other details with respect there to president groff Thank you, and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion to second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion under discussion your honor this involves the um the selling of the um that issuance for um The capital improvements program for 2006 Thank you president groff There may be no other discussion ma'am city clerk, please call the roll bowman deberg eberg serda davis graph kittleson mani mire monta maior ratki segali stefan susha van akron and van der wheel 16 eyes Motion carries other matters attorney mclean Thank you your honor 24 77 is resolution authorizing entering into a contract for the 2006 portland cement concrete paving program And the shabuigan business center detention pond expansion bid number 22 99 That will be referred to public works 24 78 is a communication from jenny dolman stating her concerns regarding the rules about reptile ownership in shabuigan As she was searching the internet for different sites about shabuigan I found one site disturbing showing small children with reptiles and pictures of reptile shows and asking that this group be shut down And will be referred to public protection and safety Motion and second to our journal is in favor of state i Stand adjourned