 I was in the researching participation and civic engagement session and it was about the the problems in framing civic engagement and participation and how they're measurable and how might they not be measurable. So we spent the we spent the time really sort of deconstructing the the notion of engagement and and why it's a why it's an assumed good and and ways in which we can sort of complicate that that notion of engagement in order to make more sort of robust research questions. So there were some there were some some tensions some interesting tensions some some certainly some some good agreement but ultimately at the end of the day we we got to a point where I think we were all just a bit uncomfortable with the terminology that we're using. The takeaway that that that I that I now have from that session was was ultimately having a conversation with people from around the world that it really got to the point where even if we could come to a consensus about what these terms mean the actual practice and application of these terms are so wildly different that it would require many many many more conversations of this nature in order to get it some sense of some sense of clarity. Well I'm not sure I mean I think the the next steps it's it's certainly open I mean I I certainly left to energize and and a little bit confused by the conversation and I and I hope others did as well so I mean I feel like there is some there was incredible brain power in that room and I and I can only hope that there there were some connections sparked and and that we can continue these