 The fifth amendment to the 1999 constitution mandates the president to transmit the names of his ministerial nominees to the National Assembly within 60 days upon assumption of office. The president's first list of nominations that was presented earlier today was dominated by non-names and politicians, including ex-governors, serving and former members of the Senate and House of Representatives. Out of these nominees, 25% are women, while 75% are men. The women are better, Edu, Doris, Sanji, Uzoka, Anatsu, Musawa, Enkiru, Uye, Jiocha, Stella, Okotete, Uju, Kennedy, Ohane, Iman, Suley, Ibrahim. As you must know, ministers in Nigeria are appointed by the president and form part of the executive branch of government. They are responsible for overseeing the various ministries and departments of government and for formulating and implementing policies in their respective areas. The specific role of ministers in Nigeria varies depending on the ministry they are assigned to and with the names presented on the ministerial list. Today we are asking, will this bring progress? Please let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-80384663. You could also tweet at us as we show Africa with the hashtag with show. I mean, so the first thing for me when I saw this list was, okay, thank God, at least 7 out of 28 are women. So I mean, that's a first step because I remember during the elections we were talking a lot about women participation and inclusion and all of that. So I'm happy to see that this president's government is actually allowing or including the women in such cabinets, right? I was also, well, would I say I was surprised to see certain names. Let me hear what the audience would have to say about this list today. So please guys, we're waiting for you to call in and open the phone lines. But before I do that, I want to hear from the ladies, what's your take or what are your thoughts on this ministerial list? Why are you surprised to see Wike? I mean, he campaigned for the Manduinti. I know, right? I think he's a very controversial. Is that what you want? I don't even know if I would say controversial, but he just enlightens us on how tricky politics can be. So it's like my uncle used to say something that politicians seem like they're fighting on the outside, but in the inside they're actually friends. I think I don't know how they're able to manage themselves that much. There's also a John Enno also on the list who Tinebou had asked that he was contested for governorship and stuff. So I'm like, Tinebou asked him to put his, what's the thing you call? When you, him and the other contestant, Mary Eta, also were running for the post. And I think he went to court for it also. So Tinebou told him to put it aside. And I'm just thinking, oh he did that because he was like, yeah, I have something in for you. So it's like everyone is lobbying for positions as well, and which is very much interesting. But we just hope that these people can deliver. We're tired of seeing the same names, the same set of people that are being cycled, just changing positions. However, we're really praying that these people will bring progress. Because they have good backgrounds, good records. I mean politics takes its side. It's not easy to be a politician in Nigeria. And these are strong people coming out there. And I believe they do have a bit of credibility on... Let's have more good than debate. Yeah, so like from the list, some of the women like better. I know better is a very popular health enthusiast, you know. I've heard, I've read a lot about her, I mean even before now about how, I remember during the COVID-19, what's it called, the pandemic, she was heading that's the palliative team in Cross River State. And she did a very fantastic job. She was also commissioner for health in, what's it called, in Cross River State as well during the time of... What's that man's name now? Is it Benjamin Yede? No, no, no, Cross River. Yeah, so I know that she actually has the experience and I strongly suspect, even though they haven't assigned the roles yet, I strongly suspect and believe that she's probably with the Minister of Health. That's Minister of Health knocking right there. There's also Hannah too. I know she also, her father is a very known politician. She was also the women's political leader for this thing as well. So I mean, I hope that these people, they are bringing some experience to the table. So they are not just regular people that he has picked. He has actually looked at them and they seem to be somewhat credible. And I'm only just hoping that we are able to see some level of progress from these people. Jenny. So there were some credentials here. They were very impressive to me, like Stella Oke Tete, right? So they said she has experience in policy design, in implementation, international development. And she also has a certification in new models of business from the University of Virginia and risk management. And that kind of stood out to me, right? Because her experience that she has seems like something that would work for the economy, right? To be able to predict what would happen next, right? How to manage resources, right? And how to channel the resources in the right direction, that kind of thing. She was also a co-founder of the E-Girls' Rights Foundation and has actively engaged with internally displaced persons at IDP camps in Meduguri and Abuja. I think that's very impressive, right? And I really can't wait to see what she brings to the table, how she would deliver. Because I feel like there is a low playing field, there's a medium, and then you have the high levels where everyone needs all eyes on you, right? The expectations are usually high, especially for women. So I'm excited to see that. Another person that picked my interest is Enkiruka Chidubim. So for her, she was a commissioner for resource management and manpower development, right? So when you look at these two women, they sound like powerhouses, right? These are people who have experience in things like this. And I'm excited, I'm excited. But there's a particular credential that I saw that didn't speak much to me. It just looked more like fluff, right? And that's Muhammad Idris. Now, when they were describing him and the work that he has done, they just said he's a fellow of the Nigerian Institute of Public Relations. So basically he's a media guru, right? He's into media, he's into public relations, he's a philanthropist. And there was one that said he has attended several local and international workshops and conferences. And to me, I feel, yeah. I'm like, okay, you have attended these things, okay, cool. A lot of people have attended seminars, right? And to me, it's like, if you're bringing somebody on board, even if it's just paper, right, you're trying to amp up the rest you made so that it looks really good, then you need to make it look really good, right? But this wasn't speaking anything to me. Again, I'm interested. And I want to see how far these people would go, the amount of progress that it gets to make, right? There was something that looked like they were trying to give him something to an extent, right? They said he led a committee that developed an implemented training guide. That's a death fund. Yeah, so that looks, okay, I'm like, okay, cool. Cool, cool, cool. But then the way they started it off, like led, you know when you're trying to review your CV, right? You say, oh, I led a team of, just to look right here. For me, you're just a member. But I'm looking forward to it, right? I really want to see what each of them would do, right? Even Wike, right? A lot of people don't have very good... But what would you think Wike might be giving? Honestly, if you ask me, I don't know. That man is full of surprises. Let's hear, let's hear. Noma, do you think going by this ministerial list of nominees, do you think it's to bring progress? What are your thoughts? Isn't Noma there? Can you hear me? Okay, yes, we can hear you now. Okay, thank you, Chinelo, for throwing me under the bus there. No, I didn't. Do I really think that this would bring... Well, I think it's too early to know. Some of them, of course, we've seen some of their outputs in different positions that they've held either politically or by appointment. You know, even in their individual day-to-day engagements. Well, the thing about this ministerial list is it's not... Okay, yes, we have a list now. And definitely this is not the end of the list. I think there's probably going to be a second list because if I'm correct, yes, a secondary list because I think every state is supposed to be represented one way or the other. So it's a little bit too early but it's no news there because that we have politicians amongst the appointees because the first... I mean, once a president or incoming administration comes in, one of the first things they want to do is to be able to settle scores. And that has been the tradition or the way of doing things in Nigeria. After that, they are trying to settle scores of people who have supported through the campaign season and all of that. Now they want to be able to say thank you, so to speak. So there's going to be a lot of that and that has been the tradition over time. This is not the first time it's happening. So it's no news that we're seeing people like we care who is there. Of course we know all of the drama that surrounded the political season and it would have been questionable if he was not settled in one way or the other. Why my interest will probably be is in the different appointments. Who is going to be playing what role? Because for some of them and this is very important because if it is just done based on I would want to see a lot of competence coming into play, putting people I think Jennifer was mentioning the lady who was championing health during the 2020, during the pandemic and things like that. I want the administration to be I think we lost number four a bit there. Yes, I think she was just trying to write on what the credentials are what they've actually done before and then hoping that they can actually do more now that they will be given ministerial roles. There's an angle I want us to look at but then before we do that I think we should go on a break when we come back we'll take that angle. See you shortly. 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Please call us on 07025007749 the number to call again is 07025007749 so before we went on a break I was saying that I wanted us to look at it from the tribal angle right so Jenha was saying when she saw this list she was like okay okay what's going on here but he wanted to say there are quite a number of northerners on the list there are quite a number of southerners on the list as well I mean I think off the top of my head the Yoruba pull I said was I think the Femiah Lake is on that list there's also by more what's his name now there's also on that list but I have noticed Fagbemi rather there's also Fagbemi so there's Fagbemi there's Adilabu and there's Alakedu that is three Yoruba people I think Edwin is also Yoruba that is four Yoruba people that I'm seeing on this and I'm like okay looks like there are quite a number of northerners there are quite a number of southerners southeast, south, south represented in this ministerial list that we are seeing here what's your thoughts on that Jenha I think I'm quite okay with the fact that he was able to pick people from different tribes I'm not tribalistic by nature for me the most important thing is giving opportunity to those who are competent competence over tribe if you're from my tribe and you're not doing what is expected of you then as far as I'm concerned you should be young you should be out you shouldn't be there even if I'm Igbo if they put in a Yoruba person and that person is doing well I would rally behind you I would support you with everything that I have but if you're not delivering then I don't see any reason why I should support you that's why during the campaign and during the election the whole tribal war was just a big mouth to me it was very chaotic to watch and I saw a lot of educated and learned people being they were siding with their own tribe I'm just like come on at the end of the day if the country is suffering everyone will suffer for it if they give you ministry or minister of health and you're not doing anything with the health sector it means that both Yorubas Igbo's, Calabas, Ausas everyone will suffer for it so I'm really not concerned about the tribe I just want competent people people who can deliver like Mary said in two months you should start asking where are your deliverables have you met your goal? you have a target for one point have you met it? what percentage have you gotten to? what's the progress looking like? what are we to expect in the coming months? do you have proper plans in place? and how do you intend to meet to meet those goals or to achieve them? so yeah okay we have a caller already Loman from Abia states hello Loman, good evening good evening my beautiful good evening Loman really I'm happy to see you all I'm excited thank you it's the continuation of what our former president who are in do not see anything our president our dear former president Mohammed if you pick somebody who don't thank you very much Loman thank you very much personally I feel like we should give them a chance but then let's hear from Loman so now okay this is my question right so now we've looked at this list we've checked you know what we've read out their portfolios what they have done we've said okay maybe some of them are credible for example the woman with the health thing we've looked at the woman with the fiscal policies and economic budget resources and all of that and if somebody has that kind of experience is expected that person is able to bring something to the table right so I'm now asking this list is it that is this list just filled with politicians and people that have held certain positions before or is the list actually filled with technocrats do you believe or do you think that because I mean that's what it's going to bring for progress it's not by packing all the politicians in the world and putting them in a ministerial list right the big question is do these people actually know what it is that they are coming to offer but then before Loman asks this question we have a caller Youngest Old Man good evening Youngest Old Man hello hello good evening hello good evening good evening go ahead your like I'm afraid the network is not too good but if you can hear me we can hear you I think what you need to be doing is to attach I don't know if the law needs to go ahead for that to attach their portfolio with whatever name you are sending so that we as citizens can easily identify what the person is going to do and you can even back you up with prayer because stop it now there is no one who can do that to pray for them to do just like this son of the prayer let's say that his father will not feel that way because what I am collecting now is what to do and I wouldn't know where to put my feet at this moment so power line is just to pray that they succeed you understand so they should attach the portfolio so we don't have prayer or else we start praying for them in line with the prayer point of their portfolio but before they won't get to the office I think that's what they need to do so that they are not the names they don't know if they should show the name the portfolio should be there so that we start praying and we don't pray that they are really praying but they don't do much no way thank you thank you very much you understand but you know the truth is that they don't have to it's everywhere on the internet if you just type in their names you would see the things that they've done you would see what I mean that's how we found out what it is that they've been able to some are easy to find some are not the third person that I spoke about it wasn't as straightforward the first person I think that was Stella Stella Stella has a website just dedicated to everything that she has done in Kiruka Chidubem I found her credentials on stairs but for Idris it wasn't as straightforward I had to check different platforms before I could get something on him so I think he actually needs to create a platform like an actual portfolio telling people what you have done and I honestly agree with him well I don't know how much prayers can do for people who don't want to do the work but I think experience is very important putting the right people in the right positions don't take someone who has never managed projects before and they put them in a position where they have to manage multiple projects or someone who knows nothing about health and then you put them in the health sector or someone who is not even interested in education and you put them in the education sector they're just going to mess the whole thing up so it's just hoping and praying praying that they put the right people in the right position so they can deliver appropriately before my youngest mother called so are these ministers are they supposed to be politicians or are they supposed to be technocrats in the sense of we know what technocrats are are they supposed to be providing technical solutions so to speak to whatever problems or whatever possibilities that they are appointed into so let me ask let me hear from Onoma first actually if I come to Mary Onoma do you think that these people that we are seeing here are just going to bear the name ministers as politicians or do you think they are actual technocrats all right I think from the list looking at the list I think there are a few technocrats on ground we have people like and one or two others they are definitely like I was saying before the network just messed up most of the first list is definitely going to be about settling people those who were supportive during the campaign season and all of that so definitely we are going to see some politicians we are going to see different people come in technocrats are also part of the list and it's going to be a mix so we are seeing people who are into channeling different causes who are activists depending on the way the president decides to tilt but in another few years I'm sure there's going to be a reshuffle based on how they are performing in different roles and I was also saying alluding to what Jennifer was saying that putting square pegs in square holes will make a lot of difference for people to be able to if they are lobbying and they are choosing if there are state house or ministries where you feel that money is going to be involved then that is going to be a challenge because when you put somebody in a place where they can't function then it will be obvious that the person is in the wrong place it will be all about the monies that they can take away without any form of performance on ground so it's a mixture there's going to be technocrats there are politicians and then eventually or when the second list or the supplementary list will come out more people will be brought in but if we remember during Obasanjo's time some of the names that were brought out people like OBS Gwasele Iwala these are people that were not popular they were not known as it were even though they had level of competence by the time they started performing we could see the difference that they made during that administration so if this administration takes that part of picking people not just for settling scores now but also bringing their competence to the table then it will make a lot of difference at the end of the day so I just hope that in their decision making that they are able to appropriately place these nominees or these appointees in positions where they can actually function we have seen people like El Rufai when he was former minister of FCT if I remember and the transformation he made during his time I can't vouch for that for him as being a governor but significantly there was a lot of difference when he was the minister FCT or state so if people are placed in positions where it is a place of competence for them it is easy for them to function and hopefully we can see this we can see it in this administration including the women that have come aboard so it's not a situation where oh we are just doing the women a favor or we are just putting them so that we could cover the quota that we have actually there's some level of inclusivity when it comes to the female gender let it be based on the fact that these women have the competences they have the skills to be able to deliver and they are also positioned in places where they can actually function very true, very well said thank you very much you know I like when she brought in the person of OBS Equestria and the life of the Cojo who was very well asked and were very very functional you know when those women were appointed nobody knew them actually it was right through their performance and what they had done as ministers that we started to hear their names personally I'm hoping and I'm quite positive that we're probably going to see let me not say a few but most of the names here as people that would actually perform and like Norma rightly said bring something to the table based on the credibility that we have seen from them so far what do you even call the attention to Abubakamomo that I mean they was thinking that he was it but apparently it is not the same man on the ministerial list actually it is the Electoral Institute DJ Professor Abubakamomo that has just been reported dead not the not the same Abubakamomo that has been reported as the ministerial ministerial list also I realize that there are some states that were not represented because usually all the states are supposed to be represented about 11 states that are not represented here so we're hoping to see that in the documentary list that comes out we'll see other states being represented as well before they start to drag BET again you know I think he does a good job in the delegation of duties and so definitely I think everyone every states will be sorted hopefully what we're just praying is performance performance is very very important so it's an opportunity to either mark or break them for the ones who have been under the limelight it's an opportunity for them to say hey look we still hope for the country and you know we can do something and I don't even think as Nigerians are asking for too much we're just asking for the basic things so I mean while also reaching out to them say hey it's an opportunity for you to be different and we're hoping that something great will come out of it you know the things I'm also very happy that we're starting to because these guys are going to realize that it's no longer business as usual and they can actually be held responsible accountable rather and the citizens are already they're waiting for you see how everybody has been talking about this ministerialist before we would see ministerialists and me I would not even be bothered I would just move on with my the ministerialist okay we move but you know everybody is waiting there okay let's even see what this person is going to be assigned let's see who is going to be ministerialist let's see who is going to be ministerialist and you would see that I mean this is why we preach AI we do the enough is enough campaign on the show every Monday right because the minutes we realize that we need to start asking these questions we need to start holding these people responsible if we don't do that people they're not going to give us whatever it is that they feel like giving us and we will just accept it we will definitely guess what Jennifer she is saying like she has something that she has to say so I think one important thing that I will encourage them to take into consideration from now is building the right team right your team can break and one thing you need is to make sure that you have the right people people who have the same drive the same vision they share the same value and culture as you they will be the ones to push you on days when it feels very hard on days when it is very tough they will be the ones to come up with great ideas because I mean one person cannot do it all when you have an amazing team people who are competent not they do the favor for somebody and that's why I'm bringing you on my team that's why you're working with me because at the end of the day you have a team of 5 people and 3 of them are brought in based on favoritism right and you only have 2 competent people they will carry the bulk of the work on the team and before you know it they are going to have like they are definitely going to burn out and when you have burn out you have people who are not delivering they are not much churning out low performance in the team people are not being effective and we don't want that right people shouldn't see it as business as usual you are coming in to serve the country to serve the states that you are being placed in so you have to do the work you have to take out time to actually pick the right people very very important but I have a comment here from Daniel he said good evening my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying the ministerial lists will this bring progress honestly speaking I don't really know all these people and their capabilities presidents I hope he knows what he is doing as regards his selection of ministers because our past president made some errors and blunders in his selection and some of them failed to deliver my dear beautiful sister Jennifer made mention of removing tribalism when choosing people to occupy an office saying that this will bring progress I really don't know I am really excited that women were considered because it is about time let us look very well before we choose people to occupy an office because it is very important you that is look beautiful tonight my dear beautiful sister I am so excited to see you anchor in the show today my name is Daniel Ilu thank you so much Daniel we love to hear from you every day thank you I know right not my final words well we are watching we are hoping that things will be better definitely this is not the end of the list we are waiting for some symmetry list and we are waiting to see what how these ministers will perform I think Nigerians are gradually becoming better from where we are coming from we are in a better place we are in a better place people will start calling people out if you are not performing so let's like I think Jennifer said it is not going to be business as usual I am really really interested in what ministerial position that we will be occupying but I will be patient to wait to see where we will be positioned but we are looking forward to what they can do and if they are not going to perform also looking forward to them being taken out very true okay I will take this comment before we go good evening ladies our present is following Buhari steps by appointing ministers with no portfolio and this is from Ade oh well I guess this is the conversation that we would come back to when we see the final list and we also see the roles that these ministers have been appointed especially we care what is waiting but before we go do ensure you follow us on instagram as we show Africa you can interact with us further drop a comment and most importantly follow on all our social media engagements and remember to like share comments and invite your friends and family to watch us and follow us if you miss today's quotes here it is again the way of an enlighting ruler is to make it so that no minister may make a proposal but there are always the same fields much with actions and results and this is by hand fay see you tomorrow at 8pm as we bring another great conversation see you tomorrow at 8pm thank you Mary, thank you Jennifer, thank you good night