 It's 5.03, so I'm gonna call the meeting of the Licensing, Hearing, and Public Safety Committee to order with everyone in the room. Would you please rise to the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Is that it? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Oh, here. That's the last one. Here, Steve Becker. Here. I'm Betty Ackley, I'm here, and Barb Fildy is here. Moving on to item 2.1, the approval of the minutes. Is there any discussion on the minute for a motion if there's no discussion? Motion to approve. Second. All right, those minutes are approved. Moving on. Motion to vote. Oh, oh. Sorry, I'm already goofing up. I'm sorry, I'm not used to this. So, okay, how am I supposed to say that? All those in favor? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Chair votes aye. Motion passes. Okay, sorry about that. Item 3.1 is Resolution number 592122, direct referral, a resolution authorizing the purchasing agent to issue a purchase order for the purchase of seven vehicles for the Chevroletian Police Department. I expected somebody from the police department to be here and they are not. I can tell you that we did review the resolution to form a content and it's fine as far as legal goes. I believe that this was in the capital improvements budget as well. Yeah, I feel like I just saw it there, right? Yeah, I'm sorry, what should I say? So is it okay for us to make a motion? Thomas looked at it real close. Yeah, legally it's fine. So it's just a matter of whether you wanna buy the cars or not. Okay. Not yes. I move a motion to approve. I have a second. I have a second. Okay, we have a motion and a second to approve the purchase of the vehicles. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any nays? Chair votes aye. That motion is approved. Item 3.2, General Ordinance number 232122, dated 9721 and ordinance amending section 118-44. Seven of the municipal code. So as to clarify the parallel procedures used in section 118-133 related to parking tickets and section 118-447 related to bicycle tickets. So you kind of said exactly what it does. It's there were a few things in the ordinance that didn't quite match with what would be done anymore. And there were a few things that just weren't quite exactly the same between the two kinds of tickets, but they haven't really used bicycle, skateboard, scooter tickets much in the last 15 years. So it wasn't really a high priority, but now that we have the scooters around town, they really wanted to use those tickets and the bike tickets and those kinds of things in this way. And so making sure that the process was correct is good. Basically what this is is you can write tickets on a traffic citation to a scooter to a bike, but when you do that, it right away goes to court. It makes it a more formal process. Court costs go right on. And even though court costs in municipal court are a lot cheaper than back in the day when we would go over to circuit court, it's still, do you really wanna pay twice the amount of the fine in court costs to write these things? And frankly, police officers were not writing these tickets because they don't wanna write a 15 year old kid, an $80 ticket for riding wrong on a bike, whereas 25 after a warning or whatever, seems a little more reasonable. So if any of you have ever gotten a parking ticket, it's gonna be a lot like the parking tickets, where in essence, you get the ticket, you either pay it or you contest it, but you don't contest it through a pretrial. There's a written process that you can use. And then in the end, you don't like that process. You have the right to have it written on a traffic citation and sent to court and have a formal trial. But I prosecuted those things for 17 years, I think, 18 years, and at times when we wrote lots of skateboard and bike tickets, as well as parking tickets, and I would say if one in 100 contested them, asked for the formal process, that might be pushing it to more than it actually is. So this is a good process and will allow it to be enforced without going crazy. I had a discussion about it, I'm 3.2, can you have a go? See, so you're saying that this will allow for them to give a warning and then the ticket of 25? They always can give a warning if they want, but this will allow them to do it. They already have the authority to do this, but it's making sure that the process works correctly so that they will, and they can write them on these bike and skateboard tickets and they're left. The less you're fine, and that would include the scooters. It does include the scooters, yeah. Okay. Nothing, it's not, this isn't actually allowing them to do it, they're already allowed to do it. This is just making sure the process is correct, since they haven't used that process in a while on a bike and skateboard ticket. Did they sort of push it because of the scooters? Yes, it was because of the scooters. Trying to figure out that there's either missing one or more violation on it? Well, the reason we're doing this because of the scooters is because there has been some concern that we do actually need to enforce, like scooters on the sidewalks in the downtown area. And so just making sure that the process is right to actually have to design the tickets a little bit differently because the old tickets weren't paper and weren't in the computer system, and now they're gonna be in the munis system. And so a lot of that stuff just all needed to happen. And this basically allows the process as it will run through munis to work, it's tweaks to make sure that the process is matches with what's in the ordinance. And, sorry, can I have a follow up question? And then we've realized, I know that there was going to be a campaign. So I'm an alder that gets a lot of emails about this for them over to Ryan and Kevin at the time, but the Bird Company hasn't done a really good job of sort of marketing of the needs of where, how do I say this? Market to the user of what the restrictions are, right? I know it says that on the scooters, but still a lot of people have missed it. I'm assuming PD is aware that there's like a grace period on this, right? We're not just gonna like pass this. And then in two months, we're hearing that you're just like handing out all these things. PD is aware. I will say that it's not that people aren't aware of it. It's people, because it is pretty clear I've got on the app myself. And it makes you actually check to say that you've read this. It's just that everybody just checks it without actually reading it. You're clicking through it fast because the time starts right away. Yeah, okay. Time should start after you agree. I feel like it starts right away. Bird also did push through. So even though I haven't rented a scooter, I got a notification on my bird apps, even though I hadn't even opened the bird app, saying you need to agree to understand that you can't ride on the sidewalk in Chicago again. And they recently too, just put in the downtown zone and I think up to Michigan Avenue. So 8th Street up to Michigan, they restricted the speed as well. So that's a restricted speed zone now. So automatically, it slows it down automatically. And the bird representative is not sitting, he's coming home for Thanksgiving. So he's going to meet with myself and Chad when he's in town. And we're going to talk, we've had conversations about signage and different educational things. So it's on a radar. It's the big educational thing that we just think people aren't aware of. I would say these things are similar and regulated like bikes, you know. They're going to be seasonal, right? Well, yeah, people can ride them on bike paths. So the one on the road drive, they can do that on it. They can't go on sidewalks. They can go in the public right away of the street. So that's the big thing. Just one of that. It might be worthwhile for SROs to do some education at school because I think we're getting more younger. I saw them in the bigger cities before they came here. You didn't see younger kids as much as we're seeing here. Put all those green lights. Younger kids have the ability to do so. So that might be a way to help reduce, yeah, because if the other kid gets a ticket, it's really going to go to the parent, right? That's true. And if a younger kid gets a ticket, it may also cause the problems for the parents and scooters, you're not supposed to use them if you're under 18 or whatever. Is it 18? 16. I thought it was 16. But if the younger people are using it, what they're going to do is suspend the parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, yeah, okay. Because that's... Chair? Yes, I mean... I said one... That's one of the things that I've noticed a lot of. I've seen a lot of younger people, I mean, that are obviously not 16. I've seen some 10, 12-year-old kids riding them. I guess that's the other issue. I mean, it's a safety issue, I think, that Bird really has to address. I think is there a way to prevent the younger kids from, you know, that shouldn't be driving them? They're just lying about their age and they have a debit card, so, yeah. And they all have phones, I mean, everybody knows. It's not a lot different when each of my kids turn 13, you know, that's when you can use Facebook. Now, two of my kids had no interest, so it didn't matter. But when my daughter, well before she was 13, was pushing us to let her have Facebook because all our friends already have it, like, how are you going to check the boxes that says I'm already 13 years old? I'll bring that up, Dean, too, with the conversation with the Bird representative as well, just to kind of pick everybody to see what mechanisms they might have to better regulate it when it comes to ages. Okay. Thanks. Is there any further discussion? I'll make a motion to approve. Second. All those in favor of approval, please say died. All right. Is that Barb on the phone? Yeah. It is, I couldn't get through, so I'm on my phone. Hi, Barb, glad you can make it, I'm screwing up already. Hello. Hello, everyone. Hi, Barb. Hello, everyone. Moving on to item 3.3, our own number, 80-21-22. 9721, submitting various change apprentice applications. Charles. We are recommending granting both of those. Any discussion? Seeing none, I'm looking for a motion and a second. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say signify by stating aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, none. Chair votes aye, motion passed. Item 4.1, next meeting date, at least September 29th, 2021. Item 5.1 is a motion to adjourn. Any other motion to adjourn? Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor of adjournment, please signify by stating aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. We are adjourned. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you.