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Ac mae eich oeddyn nhw haydodd mae'n dweud oetusu gyda'r semi-bush llefano. Nid yw'r semi-bush llefano maen nhw. Ac mae eich oedd yn rhywun o fain o'r busblue ac mae eich oed ydyn ni'n rhan oisewd i arda i fynd amddangos. A erbyn hynny, byddai'n ysbryd yn argyrchu. Fy nid o'r ysbryd a'u ace yn fath o'r ysbryd. Diogel Unlike i'r Unifor. Fy hwn i'n rhoi dyna ni'n rhan o'r bobl o rhan o'i ddach. careers of stick. W optical. Thank you. So it's like Andy Busch is a not because he's a little lovely fellow I'm into what I'm trying to say here. Yeah. I just conscious of the fact that I haven't been quite as available of late as I have been before relative and that. In our eyes, Dave, you're very much the talent of the you are. Yeah, you see but I genuinely don't see it. that we do because you unser. That's What? Oh, the inner blood come out! You know, it's coming out! You know, I thought because I'm remembering that day, I haven't gone over, in being in the city. I'm not coming in. I'm mad to him being in the city, bitty in the city. That's what we could've done. That's the episode right there. That would've been recorded. Bity in the city. Bity in the city goes round the world. I just thought what would have been good days. 좋? Dave? Cydw'r sed, wedi bodangos i'n ymwneud o'r rydym. Llyfridol, ddim yn cyflodd rwy'n 20 munud, ac wedi gofynnodd ein mhantau yn y gwpen o'i tîm ymlaen, gan gyda'r ymgrifedd... yn ymddangos i fanol. Chydiwch. Ac rwy'n gwyfnodd hynny ymddangos i ei gofyn. Ac rwy'n gweithio ar y papau yma. Ned cydydd pweld â'r cwyrddol. Ac y gyrhau ymddangos i'r cwyrddol, Onw i amdîm, mae'n ddigon nhw'n ei cyllid yn ei ddod. So rydyn ni'n ddigon nhw nhw. Rydyn ni mwyaf nad ymddylio dfyndio. Rydym yn y dyfodol o'r issuing. Rydyn ni'n ddigon nhw ymddyliad. Rydyn ni'n ddigon nhw. Rydyn ni'n ddigon nhw. Mae'n meddwl, mae'n gwybod. Dwi'n meddwl, mae'n meddwl, mae'n meddwl. Rydyn ni'n meddwl, mae'n meddwl yn mynd â'r butff, ac mae'n meddwl yn hynny. Mae chi'n ddartyr. Diolch. Rwy'n fy ふith yma. Nid yw'r amser y dyfodol yn gallu'r awdurau sy'n bod yn gweithio'r pryd gan yw'r arweinydd. Rydym yn ddaerwy. Rwy'n fy ffordd fel ymddangos. Rydyn ni'n gwneud hyn mynd i ddechrau. Mae'r rhan o'r lleidio. Mae'n ôl arddangos. Rywbodaeth yn Y Fwrdd. Yn olygu rywbodaeth yn y Gathau Cyngor, yna gadold drafodaeth yn weithesïau. Yna.... Rywbodaeth yn weithesïau. Felly ddim â'r llu ym Mwliadau Hwyl, Rywbodaeth yn weithesïau, ddweud y cenderddai'r maen nhw David. Efallai ar y trafodaeth Cylgwyl. Rywbodaeth. Efallai i gadael ychydig. Dw i ni yn yng Nghydd Wilthyn? Nghaid e? Nod fel yw? Mae Gwylthyn. Beth. Cosaid yn ymgyrch. Gwydol-i gwybod peif— Merthyr. Maen nhw'n gwybod. Mae pob innwyd blaen. Mae pawb yn mwy o'n pwaith. Pwyd yn casof. Efallai gwybod yw rai. Mae fel Gatecia yn g Buildor. Mae'r cyffredig. Mae'r cyffredig. Mae'r cyffredig. Wyth yn gwybod yw'r cyffredig, dwi'n credu'n cyffredig. Mae y storfi, weld o'r cyffredig ar ôl. Cosaid? Mae'r cyffredig. Mae'r cyffredig erwaith. Mae'r cyffredig. Cysi. Felly, i'n deall! Mae'r ddechrau, gofal o ddechrau gyda'r Gathei. Oh, yn ddechrau'n ddechrau? Mae'r ddechrau ond, mae'n gofal o Gathei. Mae mewn ember ond, o'n ddechrau, gan ddod, gofal o Gathei. Fy mod i'w gweithio agol ac roedden i Goliad ond dyna'n eu hollu! I feden nhw, yn cael ei ei wneud. Mae'n gymuno a lludio'n ddafodol. Lleodd oherwydd. Fyddwn i'r ysgol, I'r ysgol yma, mynd i'n gafodd, a we have to record this at a different time. Dave, 11 crystal palace, crystal palace, manadulus with a, although apparently manadulus, coferdli, becawz oliva gasent. Glasnaw has given the team instructions for three days prior to the game. But hey ho, what happens, if four of their best players out, I don't predict the law. No, he didn't, you know, but I'm fuming. I'm not really. Remind me by the way when you've done this bit, I've got a guess who for you. Okay. Okay. It's related to this. OK, well that's fine but it ended up with Eviton needing to come from behind to get a point. I still am sitting here frustrated two days later that we have dropped two points at home in a game. We had to win and should have won. How did you say, Dave? Largely the same and bitterly disappointed to have not got three points as you say, in a game that we desperately needed to get three points from, especially when you look at fixtures and where those points are going to come from. But the other side of it is, you know, they could well have got nothing, you know. So and that was my fear for, you know, for certainly part of the part of the game. So there was a certain sense of relief when they equalised. So I don't know whether whether that's making me feel more positive than I should do. Ultimately, we shouldn't be positive by it. But, you know, it could have been worse. We could have got nothing and we could have still been in the bottom three. So I don't know. I mean, it's just a depressing time, isn't it? It's a worrying time. And when's when's the decision going to be on because I thought it was supposed to be last week, right? We discussed this last week was going to be a big week. And I thought, here we go, we're going to know. And then there was an announcement on Monday, wasn't it? Saying that Evan could expect to hear the results of their appeal in the next 24 to 48 hours, which then made me think, oh, I know why they've done this, because they don't want everyone kicking off on Sky on a Monday night on the tally. So as soon as that game is done, then we'll find out yesterday. And then here we are at the time of recording on Wednesday and still nothing. I remember a few weeks ago hearing that it was going to be the last week of February. And then like you said there, Dave, it's been moved because people in the media have said it was moving basically. And you're right after the game on Sunday, I think it was on Sky when they put the table up. They said, oh, that that that could change in the next 48 hours with Evan likely to hear. But I don't think anyone knows and it's left us in this terrible limbo, hasn't it between with that and the ownership and also the when's the second one and when a forest having theirs, it's ridiculous, isn't it? It's like this big organization, this huge organization has known all around the world. Can't even set dates. Like can't even say that it'll be out on this date and the second one will be on this date. It's that to me is ridiculous. And if we don't know, you know, we'll we'll give the ownership group till this date to make sure they get all we'll give them an answer. It's like this is a football club with fans all around the world that, you know, and we just want an answer. And it just as you mentioned there, it just it just plays into all the anxiety sailing when you're at the game and anxiety also. It wobbles the entire integrity of the league because it's not just us. It's the fact that everything in the league from top to bottom is all based upon, you know, the exacting points of each side within that table structure. Now, if that table structure isn't accurate, which at the moment we don't know whether it is accurate or not regarding our position and also regarding forest position, you know, it just makes a nonsense of it. You know, where where are we? You know, are we 17th? Are we are we 15th or four? You know, who know? Yeah. And you mentioned there, forest, forest. I've got to go through all this and I will have I will have less time. I mean, I don't know whether that's better or worse, but they'll have less time between when they get they get something. You imagine they will with a points deduction between when they get it on the end of the season and they automatically go below looting because they ain't getting they ain't getting less than four points deducted. Addy, there's not a chance of the below looting already. And that as you check, it leaves it leaves everything up in the air. And if Skyler having to reinforce that when the term of league tables and, you know, the asterix is there, I know we've gone on about this loads, but it does play in the part in the anxiety and people have questioned the atmosphere of the game on Monday. But it's really when you're in there and what you're watching is the footballs drops. I mean that we all admit that. I mean, whether you think Dice has done a good job or not, the football is rubbish. It's not easy to watch. It's not easy to be in a garden on a Monday night when you don't really want to be there. You know, Monday night games to me. I've never got them in a really as a country. We should have done what Germany done and forced them to stop it. It's it's dead full. It's an excuse for the to for Sky to look back at all the other stuff that's happening this weekend. I know. Oh, my God, an eight o'clock. There's a game to inconvenience. It's a weekend mop up, isn't it? Really for them, you know, but also with the, you know, hung on the fact that they've got a game to televised. That's it, isn't it? Yeah. And we are in a perpetual state of limbo on everything on the ownership on, you know, with the points and you still seeing nonsense stuff going round. You know, see for us fans, like, well, we'll be all right. Cos everything will get like what everything has done is well wasting. You're like, where are you getting this information from? Everton, between nine and a half million over on 19 and a half million over. You're like 50 million over by in place. For us, like a bee. This is what happened with us when we got punished the fair. No one actually knew what we were getting done for. No, no. I mean, it's the same with Forrest. None of us actually know what they're getting done for. I mean, again, that's a horrible situation to leave your fans in. But, you know, but it was a game. It was a game show. Yeah, I mean, look, the man at your afterwards was asked about whether it was a point gained or two points dropped. And he was very much on the side of a point gained. But I don't know whether to look at that correctly and go, you know what? It's a couple of days have gone by. It was a crap result. We should have beat them. We didn't, but we didn't lose the game. And me and Pead have often said in the well in the last couple of seasons when it's been absolutely dire. We didn't draw enough games either just to keep the points target going. And maybe, I mean, obviously, the minute are you, smash is that in. A point is obviously better than getting on because it keeps Palace quite close to us. And it gives us that point that got us out the bottom three. And hopefully Liverpool's reserves can beat Luton tonight because they've got loads of interviews. It's a funny side, though, aren't they? I mean, that's the thing, you know? And that's that's the that's the. Well, listen, it's a worry for us. It's credit to to Rob Edwards and Luton. And, you know, if it weren't for the fact that it weren't for the fact that we find ourselves in the same predicament because of the way that they do play and they've conduct themselves this year, you know, you'd actually quite like to see them do OK. But, you know, I sort of quite like what they're all about. But yeah, I mean, you know, you look at the results that they've had of late in particular, you know, go into to Newcastle scoring four there, yeah, in a game that none of us saw them having any chance. And it was a bit like, oh, it's fine. Don't worry about it because it doesn't really matter what we do because Luton are going to go to St James's, you know, on the Monday night or whatever it was. And but yeah, you know, what with with Liverpool with the caribou cup final on Sunday as well. You know, I guess the good thing, though, Dave, sorry, the good thing for us is for Liverpool, they they literally cannot afford to drop points and that's the way it is. And Man City obviously won, so the city right behind them now. So Liverpool really can afford to drop points. So it is interesting now, isn't it, Dave, when you look at Luton, like they mentioned there, there's a bravery about them and what we saw on Monday is there's like, it's just not a that same kind of bravery about us at all we play. But yeah, well, I'm not sure it's a bus in, but it'll feed. Now it'll feed into that. We keep getting told that they haven't got the players to be brave. Yeah, but I look at Luton and go, well, a lot of them are in place that you demand everything bought. But yeah, you're right. They play with a bravery. And again, what's interesting about that is it comes back to recruitment. Again, it's like the players we've bought in in the last few years and you're told that you can't get any better than these. And Luton have a lot. Luton certainly would like bringing in Barclay for nothing and bringing in Tansham for nothing. And they have lots of pace, lots of mobility, lots of hard work. And I look at our team. And I know our team in reality is 10 points clear of that. But that level of bravery, we've swapped that bravery in a way for a defensive stability and being cautious. But what we saw do the night was, if you're too cautious, certainly a home and starting players like young and starting with two holding midfielders rather than playing on it, it can backfire because we're not good enough to break teams down. We don't want to be broke down unless it's going to be off a set piece. And we've seen that for ages. And yet Luton have come up with this way of playing. OK, it wasn't great to face. But it's now changing out results and goals. And I think when you can score goals, it gives everybody that sense that you're never beaten where there's, I think in a lot of games we play in, we go one nil behind. And even though don't work out that we're beating it one nil because we've been quite buoyant at times, but we haven't come back from one nil. We haven't come back from being one nil to win a game. And I think there's that general sense that if we stay in games and it's nil nil, we've got a chance of winning it. I know that makes that, you know, that's been the thing on the dice all the way along. But Luton just have that sense of bravery. And I think that reverberates a rather fan base as well, thinking we're never out of a game. But even Sunday, they were tune of that after seven minutes. That's what I'm saying. And then he batted, you know what I'm saying? And I think that's the worry for me, Dave, is that we've got games coming up that we have to win and the games that fans expect to win. And if we're going into them and we're looking, you know, we haven't got that bravery and we look very cautious. That's the fan base. I don't think we'll have that. I think they'll look at dice and go, you should be given as well more here because we're never in football club. We're playing at home front of 40,000 people and we expect to have a go at teams that are below and around us. But there was a time earlier on in the season where, you know, rightly or wrongly, and it's a very negative way of looking. But I think we were sort of going, OK, well, things aren't great for us. But you can't see Luton ask however many points. Right? And so almost that was, you know, especially after the points deduction, it was like, well, you know what? As long as we stay ahead of them, you know, we thought Sheffey you were done, Burnley aren't going to get out of it. As long as we stay ahead of Luton, then we'll be OK because we didn't think that they were going to pick up points on a weekly basis. That's not the situation anymore. You know, it really isn't. And again, credit to how they play and also credit to the fact that they've stuck with their principles and they haven't changed the way that they've played. And they they are still brave and they are still attacking and they do actually go for it, you know, even when they go behind in games, they don't give up. And now when you look at the fixtures ahead of us and I'm not talking about comparing particular fixtures that we have as opposed to particular fixtures that they have. But as a general rule, if you are neutral, you can't look and kind of go right. Well, over the next half a dozen games, I think that Evan are likely to to get more points in Luton because you can't say that at the moment. You really can't. And in fact, you know, they're better to watch than we are. Yeah, you know. So that's where it starts to get really, really sticky now. And the home form, isn't it, David? The manager's done a fantastic job away from home, I think, making evident and very competitive in most away games. But at home, he's won seven out of 21 Premier League matches. Now, one in three wins a goal isn't enough for a manager. We've been built for so many years, albeit since Covid, our home form hasn't been great. But we, David Moyesad, and I was sharp on back three years ago, but David Moyesad a very strong home record. Marko Silver in his face, he's not a good, a decent home record. Sam Allardice got, you know, every one eight of them for his home form was quite good. Ronald Cewman had a tremendous home record in the face. And Evan won nine out of ten Premier League games and at the 10 of the year in that one. Carlo, it was Covid, so it was weird cos it flipped. But while he had fans, we were all right at home that year. But Rafa Benitez, flank lampard, and now Sean Dites just haven't been able to to go on that. And I don't understand. Well, I do understand, but the manager's got to come up with a way to try and increase this home form in this the last three months of the season, because if he doesn't, we will go down. When you look at the away games because we have was, you know, we go to Manchester United, we go to Chelsea, we go to Arsenal, we go to Newcastle, we go to Luton. You know, they're not they're not easy games. We've got Brighton at the weekend. Now last year, we went to Brighton. I honestly thought we get battered cos they were flying and we end up beating them five one. So we might pull off a couple of shocks because we do stay in games and Chelsea should be looked at as a game that Evan can win because the way they are. They're so weird. They're better away, ironically, in the heart of the Slamford Bridge. But he's got to come up with something as he's got to the management team and the players have got to come up with a way of playing on me. And we spoke about it yesterday on the final wave and it's intensity, I think, a good thing. There's no no intensity when we play. It's all and it is sometimes because teams are sitting back like Petser before, but we've got to the view. I think you'll agree the best home performance as you've seen from Everton through watching Everton in your life have been ones where it's fast and frenetic rather than slow and methodical. I think so anyway, certainly what I think. Well, you know, it's things like I remember the performance against Leeds a couple of years ago at home and stuff like that. It's those sort of games where... And that was a big game that day, wasn't it? It was a massive game, you know, but those are the sort of performances that they need to that they need to conjure up. But for the most part, and I mean last Monday night was a class example, we're difficult to watch. Yeah, we're terrible at me. We're difficult for us to watch. Yeah, yeah. We must be really difficult for our neutrals to watch. I mean, that wasn't pretty. Whoever decided that should have been live on Skype needs to be given a strongly worded email and possibly, possibly, a verbal warning because it was an absolute disgrace of a game of football. Awful. It was a two for though. It was to get rid of a game, wasn't it, a palace game in another game? We were walking home, my dad said that only reason that could have been put on was just feeling obligated because no one in the right mind could have gone. That'll be all right to have it in a palace. But we have to... I think we have to adapt to the situation now because I think we all agree. I think everyone agrees that Daish has done a good job to get away where we have terrible circumstances, yeah. But we do have 20 points. We don't have 30 points, we have 20 points. And he's got to change something to get just to, like we were just saying there, for those home games, just to up the tempo a bit because it will get tricky. Llewton don't think of going anyway. And OK, the points thing still needs to play out and that could be huge if we get points back and forth, get points taken off them, that could be a big swing. But then we've got a second charge and we've got to see what that is as well. But you have to think for me, it's like the job he's done is being good. But I think just something has to change now because of where we are. And just I just I just think the first 15 minutes 15 minutes at Gullison, there has to just be a little bit more intensity just to get the fans excited. And to unsettle the opposite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, well. Oh, well, listen. I mean happy days. Listen, we we we're not in the bottom three. We might get some points back. I mean, we might have them taken again in a few weeks, but we might get some points back and that might give the players a little bit of a bit more comfort. We know Luton, even though we're we're praising them. They have got at the time of recording Liverpool away and asked them villar at home in the next couple of games. So they're two teams that Liverpool are going for the Titan. Villar a need to keep winning for that top four. So, you know, they they could quite easily lose both of those games. I watched them get it was weird because I watched them against Sheffield United and Sheffield United batted them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that was and that was a game that was a real concern. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you kind of thought, Jesus, you know. Well, they're not getting out. Luton will do these. Sheffield United aren't getting out. They're gone. They haven't barely relegated in my eyes. So, therefore, Luton that day, I was thinking, yeah, and then they go on losing again at home. I know it was a much better performance, but was that because it was Manchester United that kind of way through? Cwll fan? We'll see. It's on a Cwll final. We'll see out the next two. I think they're more likely to beat what gave a team like Man United a game that maybe when they play Sheffield, but they don't. They're not going to play too many teams because they're not going to play anyone that's below them at the moment, apart from unless they're way below them when we go. So... They've got barely, I think, in about a month. They've played barely twice. Oh, yeah, they've played them twice. They've barely beaten them. They have got a team close to them. That was loving it, the fixes. But it won't matter if we can't win these home games. It won't matter because they will catch us at some stage. And, you know, I mean, if everything were to go to Brighton at the weekend and get an unlikely victory, then I think on Shatley United, even though you'd go, oh, we could have had six points, but you'd go, well, you know what? Four points on those two games is all right. Let's keep going. But I mean, I do expect us to get some points back and that might just alter the conditions a little bit because we'll be a bit higher up the table. We'll see what happens. But Dave... Give me a prediction, then, if I had to push you on it, how many points do you think that we'll realistically get back if you had four? Four. I'm going to go, I'm going to say five. That's what a lot of people are saying five. Based on what? The Sheffield-Weddonstay rule. No, that's what a lot of Jane-Lists are saying. My in a voice. OK, a lot of Jane-Lists are saying because they can't have used the Sheffield-Weddonstay framework in the AFL when Wednesday appealed, they got half points back. So they got 12 and got six back, so people are using that gomal 10, we'll get five back. I think there'll be four or loads of stuff against the day I've seen. It's going to be ten because they've met it, but again, it's all speculation. But four, because I think they will say it's six points for a breach. But then that's mad because then you'd go, well, we may as well have gone over by 100 million and been ninth now, where the ten points didn't matter. So, I mean, I've said this before on this, John, who we have on it, John Blaine, who's part of this as well, he was like it really should be a point for every five million you go over because that then can understand the way that you look and go. Well, there will be some logic behind it, at least for now, before they change the rule again. Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. Maybe four, Dave, what do you think if you had to guess if we were getting any? I know you might say we won't get any, but if we were to be given points, what would you say? Well, I now tend to think that we will get something back, which I know goes against everything that I said before. But just because, I don't know, there's just been talk of it. So, I do think now that we will get something back, but what that will be, I've no idea. I've no idea. I mean, not at all, no idea. I would say a minimum of three points and anything up to 10. Yeah, I mean. And who knows, and given the logic which has been employed so far to actually get us to this shit show anyway, they'll probably kind of say, oh, it's seven based on what? I don't know. That's the thing, is it based on what? Well, for this and three for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, who knows? It is crazy because we should all know. And really, the biggest thing for me, actually, Dave, is how it's explained, why we've got it back because that affects the second shot. Yeah, yeah. So if we get some back. Yeah, but also, you know, however, whatever they do with us is going to have to have an effect on forest. So it's not just it's not just trying to nullify if you like what could be deemed to be a mistaken decision for our particular football club. You know, if it was just us who had been dealt with and this was a way of actually trying to, you know, wipe this lake clean and bring things straight again. Yeah. Yeah, but it's not. It's not as simple as that because, you know, you've got forest involved and they're going to be watching every word of this. And also quite also quite rightly will then be going well, hang on if you took the points off them and then you've given them all back supposing that scenario. Yeah, right. And then forest would quite rightly be going well, hang on what you do in playing with with with us then. You know, what are you going to do with us? And also if you take points off us now in this season, are we to expect to have them fully reimbursed for one of a better term? The easiest thing the easiest thing for them to do will be give out on the points back and give out the rest of it and scrap it and go basically we're coming up with a mechanism where it's a new system. We've got a new system as of next season, which will be explained to everybody and it will be clear and logical. And thereafter, we'll all know where we are with regard to financial breach. That would be that would be the way that this would make most sense to me. But it's the Premier League. Now it won't be the case. It's independent. It's open anyway anyway. Dave, watch it. Watch it. Watch it. Guess who to get for. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I've got to guess who. Go on. So I was out on my bike on Sunday. OK. And this was in the Swanky Riverside Royal Town of Windsor. Nice. And I saw somebody famous. You have to guess who it is. Peter, you're going first. Is it football related? Yes. Was it David Ginola? No, it wasn't David Ginola. I thought that's where he'd be rocking up famous. Related to. Cos he's worth it. Yeah, he is worth it. Just washing his hair in, you know, the water. In the water, yeah. Just like a fountain in Windsor. Just washing it and shaking it. Well, it's got short hair now. Mark Bright. No. Only because he said it's related to Leviton Palace. So I thought. Well, I did indeed. And it wasn't Mark Bright. I know Mark Bright and I'd have said hello if it was him, but it wasn't you didn't say. Ah, you didn't say I didn't say hello to him. You just said I saw someone. You're very right. I didn't. I didn't say where I'm at all. But I can tell you for further clarity that I didn't make contact with this person. I observed them. I clarified that it was them. OK. In my own mind. Yeah. Who was it? Was it Yanuk Balasi? No, it wasn't Yanuk Balasi. Good shelf. You know. Good shelf. Need to speak to Yanuk this way. Clank. Em. Did he? Was he an ex-evident player? No. It could be a crystal palace. It could be a well. It could be a well. We never know. It could be a manatee and never play. It could be a ref. No. He just surely pushed a ref over. So he had to shout random things. He had to shout random things. Come on. It's got a guy. It's got a guy. It's got a guy. It's got a guy. It's got a guy. It's got a guy. It's got a guy. It's got a guy. I've just asked was an ex-evident player. We didn't guess the name. So crystal palace. Nigel Martin. Is the wrong answer. Oh, I thought. Well, he's an ex-evident player for us. Nigel Martin. He's an ex-player. God, this could go on all day. So I think we should have three guesses each. And that'll be it. David, I'll do it. I think you're looking a little beyond the obvious here. Perhaps. Really? A little beyond. A little beyond. Steve Parish. No, but you're getting warmer. Far up, Mishiri. No, colder. OK. OK, crystal palace-related. I'm trying to, I don't want to say someone who's dead. No, they're not dead. OK. No, but I don't want to say that. I don't want to say that. You wouldn't have just seen a ghost. Well, that would have been a very different conversation. They could have come to an untimely demise in the last 48 hours. And I'm confident that they haven't. Was it Roy Hodgson? Is the right answer. Yes! He was out and about on Sunday. I saw Roy Hodgson and his wife walking down the street in, well, actually not Windsor, in Eaton, actually, across the bridge. You've got a me last. He was walking down Eaton High Street, him and his wife. And I definitely saw them. And I thought, oh, that's interesting because... Well, that's good. Yeah, it's good news. Because I thought, well, that's interesting because obviously, you know, he'll be at our place tomorrow night. And I was then sort of thinking, I wonder when they travel up, do they fly up tomorrow? How does it work? You know, all these kind of questions going on in my head. Do they get on a coach? I don't know. But I thought there was Roy Hodgson having a relaxing stroll and perhaps some Sunday lunch out with his wife on what was a largely nice day, weather-wise. And then, yeah, then it all was very different when I saw the news on Monday that he'd stepped down. And I thought, I wonder if he knew then that he wasn't going to be taking that game. Or was that something? You know, all these things go through. I think he probably knew on Thursday. He's the one who got rushed to hospital. He wasn't taking the game to be fair to him. He played some living the highlight for it. So while Roy was just walking around doing some window shopping and eating, Oliver Glaston was apparently taking training. There you go. And Dave didn't pop him. Well done, Dave, didn't pop the hodge. Well, you know, that's an intrusion of people's privacy. But good to see him out and about anyway. You know, he's doing all that. Good stuff, good stuff. There you go. Right, that was good. I guess he was good. Well, try and do them every week, Dave. Well, I mean, make sure you're putting pressure on me to see famous people. Well, anyway, I will try. Guess who I saw this week? And I could be feeling the head. If you like your bike round places that are familiar, you know, just go past the ivy now and again or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give you some one. OK, fine. Like that's his task. Right, Dave, we know your hamstring's getting a bit tight. So we're going to sub you because you're very busy. So great to speak to you and we will see you next week. And who knows, we might have a clearer picture. We probably won't, but we might have Sam and Sam as well. We might have a force and a clearer picture. So until then, take it easy, David. Thank you, David. Thanks a lot. Bye bye. Hello. On what an introduction that was. That's like, you know, when you come on and the first such is badly bumped. That's John Hills. Such I like this guy. Seker, 19, whatever it was. Ninety six, seven, whatever. It's all over. No touch it was like. Don't say Mo Bessage against Chelsea. But we'd already witnessed this first, which was tremendous and the friendly. When you go back in the friendly. Many just clattered the fella. Get a penalty away like, oh, I'm not sure. There we go. Right, have we got some questions? Some, I mean, in the remaining time that we have. Yeah, well, Ned, I mean, what's your take on that? I don't want to take. I'm not interested in Ned's take. I'm defining Shelf Force. You should have been prepared like a boy scout. I mean, you must have been a boy scout. I'm as if I was a boy scout. Were you just were you what's the cup? I was a cup in one. I was a cup for I was never in a cup. No, I'm just saying. A fire boy. A fire boy. What's a fire boy? Fire boy. Oh, is it a fire boy? Fire boy. Oh, choir boy. Yeah, you could have seen. Because Baz sung as well. Yeah, exactly. Ha ha. Professional singer there. That I mean, you should have heard the money came in before. Professional singer given a some notes. You're not in the boys brigade. That was me more. That was the boys brigade. The boys brigade. I was that part. That was the other side of the coin. The other barricade, depending on where you live. That's spandar balling there. The other barricade. This is a good one for Ned because I'm interested to hear his answer. Have you ever pretended to be sick when you're perfectly healthy? Where is the question from? Who? I've got a few. No one. Oh, you've just. I've got a few. Oh, no, that's. This is from the other week. Go on, Ned. I'm often quite sick. I was a sickly child. I don't know. I was in hospital. I was a kid. Did you like the attention? No, it wasn't the attention. Are you sure? I've got a story. Go on. I was perfectly healthy, but I had something and it meant I had a lump in my neck. One time in school, I wanted to go home. I blacked out. I was in bad pain. Obviously, I didn't know what was going on at this time. My mum did. She'd been told what might be happening. I didn't. I was a kid. I was like nine or something. So my mum comes to pick me up from school, crying her eyes out, thinking, you know, with this lump in my neck and what she's been told. I didn't know what was going on. I just said, oh, I've got to. Which is not unusual for you. So that was a bad thing to do. I just wanted a day off school. My mum was crying and everything. Do you feel guilty that you're upset your mum? I've got the day off school. Do you think you might have Munchals and Syndrome? What does that mean? What about Munchals and Biproxy? Bipro... He wouldn't have Munchals and Syndrome. No, he wouldn't have Munchals and Biproxy. He wouldn't have Munchals and Biproxy. He wouldn't have Munchals and Biproxy. So you're sure you've not got Munchals and Syndrome? Munchals and Syndrome. Give us a guess of what you think Munchals and Syndrome is. ADHD. No, no, because ADHD is ADHD. Munchals and Syndrome. I don't think it's hypochondria. No, Munchals and Syndrome. You make yourself think that you're sick and you're not. So it's a disorder imposed. Hang on, do I ever have a day off sick? How many days? Be serious now. How many days do you come in here and tell me you're sick? How many days do you think? How many days do you think? That's what I'm saying about Munchals and Biproxy. Munchals and Biproxy is where you want people to care for you. You're 23 years of age. And you say, by your own admission, although I would argue it's more, that you come in every once a week and tell us you're feeling sick. And that's not good. I'll be ill. And then when I start getting better towards the end of the week, I'll have a couple of gigs. Weird that, isn't it? It gets better. That's like going into school saying you feel sick, feel sick. And then at the end of the week, because you're playing for the school team, you start feeling better. I have a few chilled nights and stuff in the pub. And then by the end of the week, I'll be up for me gigs and I'll do me gigs. But after me gigs, my throat's gone, I'm coughing. And then I'm just like... You laugh and come in and go, I've got the flu. And I'm always knackered after you. And you know if you've ever got the flu, you wouldn't get out of bed. You wouldn't be able to, you can't lift your head. I have a cold after. OK. All right, I'll just ask you to come in. Hang on. Do I ever knock turn-ups? That's what I'm saying. It's not that you're sick. I just want everyone to feel sorry for me. That's what I'm saying. You just wouldn't say you were sick then, would you? No, you know what it might be? It might be a subconscious thing because in your childhood, when you were sick, people would give you affection, right? And you know what you can say? What do you think subconscious is? If you were consciously doing it, you would sit in your car and go, right, I'm going in. And I'm going to say I feel sick because then everyone will be all right to me. But subconsciously, you like that thing that people ask how you are. You're all right, you feel all right, you need that. It's more of a don't annoy me cos I'm in a bad mood. No, it's more of an attempt. So you're not allowed to annoy you? I think it's an attention thing. Do you ever think that you'd just rather be back in the womb? No. Not now because I'd eat it now. Wouldn't it be warm and you could just have a kip and someone just literally feed you? I'm too big now. You're not that big. I think there's a womb out there for you. Cos that's... You can't say that. Ned, the thought of Matthew Lamp, aka Ned, are not the thoughts or the opinions of the 1878 FM podcast. You can't say that. I'm moving on because we're finishing and you shut up. That might be the worst thing that anyone ever said. I've said far worse. Ned, this is the final one for you. What do you think the world would be like if it was filled with male and female copies of you? I've got male copies of them both. Male and female copies of you. What would the world give us an overview of what you think the world would be like? A female version of me would be good-looking. Well, if the male one's not, then how's the female one going to be? How you see yourself... Hopefully she wouldn't have a beard. Angry, sick. Angry world. Are you angry? What are you angry about? I'm not. Be angry at myself. You've got the cushiest job in the world. You can play a mean guitar. I'd be angry that everybody looks like me. You actually don't look too bad in yellow. Have you heard them? I'd be angry that everyone looks like me. Why? You'd have to have. Tell us what it is. You'd have to have with them yourself. It'd be really hard to get work if we all do the same thing. OK. The football would just be boring because we're all the same level. How would you know that it'd be boring? You'd all be professional though. I can play all the instruments so it would be a really good band. You'd be better than that chair. I'm on the warrior beat though. If it was a world full of you, who'd be writing the songs? I write songs. Everyone. You write songs that people then want to jump off buildings. I've got songs with a bandage. You haven't got. Every song. In this world, the band is all you. So your songs would be depressed because you haven't got. You wouldn't have people to go. That's the present. Let's write an upbeat song. Would you? Why don't you do it now? Because all of me would be the same me. The female versions of me would be different to me. Because they have different hormones and stuff. They'd feel different. No, I think you should do this. OK. Did they have the same talent and effort level of you? They'd have the same singing voice. That's not the point. So they would be different. In 37 seconds, just paint me a picture of what the world looks like. If everyone, male and female, was a copy of you. Nature would be thriving. Because I'm quite a generally a good environmentally person. What do you eat? What do you eat on your booty then? Ham. You've killed a pig. I don't know how to kill a pig. Do you keep animals in captivity? Or things in captivity? No. What do you do? You do, so that's a lie. Go on anyway. The environment would be amazing. Because he's environmentally good. Because he goes for hikes. Go on then. There would be a lot of people hiking. Everyone would be fit. Hang on. Everyone would be fit in what way? In what universe do you fit? There would be no crime. OK, that's a good one. There would be no hard crime. You have to change it. I like that. I want to be a subtle crime. I'd make the laws as well. People could drink from time. Lots of car crashes. Lots of murder. Lots of people being in court. Being allowed to go when even though they're guilty. But you say they're not. If I'm on the jury and there's me, it's been prosecuted. But they're not you. They're just copies of you. It's not just you. No, they're copies of me. No, really. They'd be like that. I'd be the king then. What version of you would be king? You're all you. They don't know that. I know how they think. You'd all think you were the original version. I'll just threaten them all. Hang on. We've got a better environment. Even though you go walking, you go damaging the environment. Things kept in captivity. That's just what you do. Nobody would call it subtle crime. Actually, he said subtle crime. Then he said he'd allow murders. I have no sayings because they go out of business. Nobody would shop there. Why? Just clarify that for me. Too expensive. Because it's too expensive. Nobody shop there. I think sayings probably disagree with that. No, I don't shop there. Which means if there was... Nobody would shop there. You've just said you're all different. Go on then. We need to finish that. This is the picture. That's it. It sounds like a great word. I'm glad I'm not any. Everyone would be married. You're not married? That's because there's no other versions. What you're saying is it'd be easy to get married because the other versions of you are also as desperate. The other thing is what you're doing there is you're saying factually he isn't married but since we've known him what he wants to do is get married. That's ambition in life. So fair play. If there's a female version of me I'm going to marry her. I think she's boss. She's played a guitar. She's dead good looking. She writes the press and songs. Your house would be a barrel of bleeding laughs. She's female. I will do everything in my power to stop Nedweld from happening. What I would say is everything thankful Nedweld isn't a real thing. If I go and have loads of children all over the world then it could happen. It can happen because you're nearly 25 and it hasn't happened yet. You have to get a passport. I could start easily. How are you going to start Nedweld? I could do a year touring just going and impregnating people. Did these people get a say any? If they want Nedweld. Is this subtle crime? I've got to just come back because you said if they want Nedweld to happen why would they want Nedweld to happen just out of interest? Because, like I've mentioned it would be so good for the environment. You said good for the environment that you said subtle crime but then you caveated it by saying no, I'd allow murders. No, I'm just saying that probably would end up being murders if you get the laws in Nedweld out of vage or death. I'd say no murder. No hard crimes. You start with a death crime then you went back to murder. Good environment. Animals in captivity, subtle crime. No shop that ends. You're allowed to do 47 in a 40. And you're allowed to speed. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be the van Helsing to your Dracula in this world. Everything in my power to stop people wouldn't be allowed in. Everything to stop this world from happening. You'd have to be a bit like Terminator someone would have to come and get you and take you back to stop Nedweld happening. On that note we are finishing because Nedweld freaking me out. Did he speak like me? Imagine like an American me I've met an American you I met an American you I met an American you in Baltimore in the fire whatever it was called the fire out on that note we are going make sure you like subscribe shake five star review it they can listen to it on any your normal podcast providers take it easy we'll be back next week hopefully with a forcing take it easy