 As we're like, let's have these fast meetings these days. But I'm also a little bit, yeah, we're supposed to have this meeting next week from today. And so, yeah, hoping we can spend a bunch of this time on the committee meeting script. And then also for Lauren for other business. For the. Why can't I find what I'm looking for the equity impact worksheet. So that sounds good. So let's get started. Okay. So, okay, so, review and approve agenda we can't do a public comment. No one's here. I'm going to, let's maybe skip over self education learning ground table and can do that more in depth next time. And you report backs from city committees. And then just create a discourse survey results. Just real quick. So we've gotten way more than we were and we were hoping for us. We got like 340 some survey results, which is awesome. And our goal was to have 30. And so I had almost 350 is awesome. We also wanted to get 10% from BIPOC residents and we were at 9% and creative discourses feels great about that. They're like, that's totally in line with like demographics and I think the big big two major concerns. One was that, you know, we had expressed interest of like the new American population in Montpelier wanting to make sure that we got things translated and things like that. And based on the, we didn't have a question saying, you know, like, are you a, you know, new American or, you know, what's your status essentially, but there, there were no obvious markers that there, you know, folks of that demographic filled out this survey and did not participate in the, in the, in the, in the focus groups. One of their concerns and then the other concern that they raised was that over 50% of the people who filled out the survey have a like a master's degree or more. And that we were like, they're like, is that on par? And I was like, I think so. And that resonates for me. And so like from my experience in Montpelier. And so we looked it up and demographically Montpelier is about twice the Vermont average of people with master's degrees or higher, about like 35%. I can't remember quite the numbers, but it was like 30% something percent to like 15 something percent. And so and it makes sense that people filling out the survey are, you know, you know, our folks with those higher. You know, education markers. And so we, so Cameron and I were saying, we said basically like, seems fine to keep moving forward with this survey for that reason. And for the new Americans, like, we're basically like, I think we just need to just like keep, like, keep moving forward with this and just flagging that as something that we want to be intentional about moving forward and like that's, that's notable in terms of the health that no one filled out the survey or participate in the focus groups, you know. And so, while there's, you know, such a huge percentage of English language learners, like, in the elementary school and stuff so that in itself is data. So those are really the two main things so they're going to spend a couple of weeks getting stuff back to us. They're going to send us a draft to review on May 24, which is on Monday. And so Kasia will come, maybe it's Kasia and Sue, I can't remember, for some of our Wednesday meeting on May 26 to hear any feedback or like share questions or concerns and to be able to kind of give the final thumbs up before finalizing that report by June 1. So how does that sound. Oh, go ahead. I just realized we don't have Michael so I'm trying to kind of quickly backtrack with some notes. Oh, good job. This is why we should actually look at our agenda, which has promises to do all these things. Nope. So does that sound okay that we're, you know, still planning on moving forward, not like trying to get more. So the results, things like that. Yeah, great. It's great the numbers came in. Like, not sure if we're going to hit our targets and stuff so. Yeah, go us. Look at us getting out there. Lots of hard work. So thank you. Thanks for all you're doing. It's great. And so then I think nothing in fundraising and recruitment. Helen reached out saying someone she knew. Hi camera who had applied and hadn't heard back. And I'm just going to assume that that's because camera is out sick and will circle back to that soon. So. Applications on tonight's city council agenda for other committees though. I wonder if there are. Yeah. Let me circle back to her. Yeah. And like sometimes those they'll add last minute. So. We can probably even get it on tonight's agenda. If I just slipped through the crack somehow. Great. I will. Circle back with her. Cool. Okay. Committee share meeting discussion. Should I share my screen is that how we should do this or. That's probably the way to go. This is a little bit goofy because Jeremy and I just met about this. So Lauren, we're really going to lean on you. Thoughts and feedback. I'm just saying it out loud. You realize. Yeah. So, um, we have. I'm using my personal zoom for it and it's on the agenda, but I don't think Mary has sent it out to committee chairs. I think that tells me that the email has not been sent out yet. And so it's like officially warned. And it's like, you know, so it's officially on the. Website. But I. Like. Mary. So Mary did all of that, but I don't think Mary has like sent it out to committee chairs. And Lauren is Mary the right person to follow up with. Yeah, I would think so. Yeah. And so using mine, we're having people register just so we can get a count of how many people are planning on joining. I'm planning a little bit around that. But yeah, we can have breakout rooms. We can have up to 300 participants. It is like an officially open and warned meeting. So people can come who are not. Committee chairs or committee members. Is what it is. Do you have a plan if. If it didn't go out and attendance is low. Like. It's a week away now. People or something. What do you think Jeremy. If we have. It seems like there's a real question. As to whether invitations were sent. So I think we need to find that out first. Yeah. Judging that there's no RSVPs. That probably means the invite hasn't been sent. I mean, or that there is not a practice of RSVP and yeah, so not sure. Yeah, but you're right. But I think we said, please. Like one or two would be like, okay, that makes sense. But zero that's. Yeah. So. I don't know what the protocol is since it's already been warned, but it seems like we should. It seems like we should try to get. Some confirmations. Before we attempt it, but. And if we get fewer than. Five 10. People on the call. We just, I think so much for coming. See you later. We're going to have this again. Yeah. I think it's fine to move a warned meeting. Like city. Especially out if it's just not on the calendar then and like. Like it's on the counter a different date. I think it would be okay. Yeah, you could still get some RSVPs if it just hasn't gone out and it's a week away. Yeah. Yeah. Or if it did go out, like how, how is the email written? And like, is there some. Thing that was uninviting. Yeah. Not inspiring people to sign up. Maybe I'll reach out to Mary and then maybe I'll also just like manually go through the committee, you know, make a spreadsheet of emails and try to send some personalized. Notifications to. If possible, you know, if I can get through emails and stuff. Okay. Yeah, and then planning to record it. And. I don't yet. Jeremy, do you want to walk through the agenda or. Yeah, sure. So. Hey, Lauren. I think that the approach here was fairly light. And. And straightforward. In terms of its focus. So. Just to like set up before the kind of specific agenda. We saw like 3 major goals with this. So. 1 is just to inform the other city committees. About C. Jack, you know, what the committee is its mission. How it functions and some of the work. It's done to date. The 2nd goal is to really start sharing some information and perspectives. On. On going equity and justice issues. That other city committees. Face. Whether they've thought about it or not. And then the 3rd thing. Which is a bit more of a question mark is. Kind of making the offering to these other committees that C. Jack can be a resource. On helping them navigate some of these equity. And justice issues. So that's the basic goals here. So then getting into the agenda. Start off with a really quick welcome and introductions review the goals. Set expectations around the agenda. As well as some ground rules for how we're going to be together. In this gathering. And we have some some ideas for that right here. I'll go through it kind of quickly high level, I think. Then get into a very short presentation about C. Jack. So this is like what our charge is. Which is publicly available. Some examples of 2 to 3 past or active projects. We thought, let's talk about. The budget equity tool. Creative discourse work. And then. Something. That has been more responsive or reactive. I'm not, which kind of predates my, my time so I can't really speak to it. The thing we thought we needed to do here is. Provide a very clear working definition of what. Equity justice means. Something that people can hold on to as they go into the later discussions. Around how their committees. Might be a kind of facing. Equity and justice issues. So we, we still need that really clear definition. Then we're going to break up into small group conversations. Or maybe 1 group conversation, depending on. Yeah, how many people we have. And this is a time where just really quick introductions. From everybody about, okay. Who are you? What is your committee about? And then kind of kick off with a couple of prompting questions for the discussion. So. 2 questions here. Kind of related. What equity issues are most relevant. To your committee's work. And, or what equity issues. Is your committee kind of currently engaged in. And that, that starts with just kind of 2 minutes of silent. Brain writing for everybody to think about before we get into some discussion. After that quick bit of thinking individually and silently. Then some sharing from everybody to get the discussion going. And it's really, I think it's about building a shared understanding of where people are at with respect to justice and equity. From their committee perspectives. I think then there's the moment of. Okay, some issues maybe come up, but I think the discussion. Things will emerge like, oh, we haven't thought about access or we haven't thought about. You know. Who we're not talking to when we're focused on what the work we do so. I think there's going to be some. Some note taking will need to happen. By us facilitators of those small groups just to kind of make sure. Hearing the key points and then. Get everybody back together as a full group. And not necessarily do a kind of March around the table report out. But invite people to share anything that was noteworthy from their small group discussions. And this is about again, building that broader. Shared understanding of the range of issues that might be. Faced by the committees. I think there's an opportunity there to look for any themes that emerge from what people are sharing. And then we had the thought that. As a more concrete example, it might be interesting for 1 of us to walk through and a little bit more detail. How the budget equity tool was used by city council and the kinds of things that came up. Just a little bit more detail about what. What the lens of equity and justice could look like in committee work. And I think this is this is more free form discussion too. So I'm capturing that would be really important. And then really that takes us to the end and kind of closing it out. And I don't know if we want to leave people with next steps. So that's something to answer as well. As well as like what our, what our offering is as a resource to everybody. So I'll let you sit with that for a second if you want. See what questions or thoughts come up. I think a couple of quick reactions. I think it's, it sounds great. I think I love the like giving some space for people to just like take it in and then think about their committee and then, and then have a chance to kind of hear other people as they're thinking through like how other committees because it might spark some different thinking for their own committees. I guess we should like think about that set the like before the closing if it is a small group. How would that be different if it's like further time for reflection or like going deeper into some things or how we think about that if it ends up not being a small to a full group discussion but a deepening of the full group discussion. Or if there's something else we could get out of it or maybe it just ends up being a little shorter or something if there feels like there's. I don't know if you've thought about that. And then just couple thoughts on next steps like most although I don't know if all but like most of them I would imagine have some kind of budget piece and I wonder if we should be like, it would be really awesome if each group was using the budget equity tool for whatever you all are asking for in the fiscal year. 23 budget whatever it's coming up. And, and that that's something that, you know, if this is true and we felt we have capacity like that we'd be happy to, like we'd love to see those and like help put that into. You know, and or like major projects that they're considering to use the tool and think through, or like if they're deciding between priorities or something like, like that would be a way to really, you know, I just think like the more it's like, here's a tangible thing and a way you got it like they're probably more likely to actually do it and yeah. And then it would make it easier for us to provide input or like reflect with them if it's around something specific. Like maybe it's like in the in the fall when we're getting to budget priority setting season, like we'd love to revisit with you or like we'd love you to send us what you've captured for priorities or things that have budget implications. So maybe that's like a natural follow up point or something. Yeah, I like that. Like my sense was like Cameron was planning to embed this more and like the departments and stuff anyway so I think I can see whoever like staffs each of the committees like hopefully that would be part of it but like them getting this overview to like better understand why and how it can be used and useful and that there's a group like this that could like help if they feel like they're stuck on how to think through something. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. I didn't quite understand your first comment about the small group to the full group, were you were you suggesting that we might want more small group time for kind of reflecting on the issues before. Oh sorry. So it was just if it ends up being just a small group where you're all together. So the small group discussion ends up actually being a full group discussion, just given the low turnout so far so if it's only like five people and we're all together and we've got a small group conversation. So if you were to think about like, is there a next phase then as a group all together, or is there like, would it be worth even in that small of a group to have people pair off for a few minutes or, I don't know just just knowing how late it is and that we might have slow turnout just to have a plan ahead of time if it ends up just being a small group they are all together, like that what that second half hour would be does that make sense. Yeah, yeah. I think the answer to that is, we just, we maybe, you know, dig, ask those follow questions go deeper as do the digging on the thing is that seem like they are the most salient and and a little early. Right, is that. Yeah, I don't ever feel like, because you schedule something for a certain time you need to take that time. Um, necessary so it could be. It could be that there's more time with what you're saying Lauren about conversation around the budget equity tool and kind of walking them through like, could tell me how do you think you could use this in your committee work and we could hear from everybody in that case. So just getting a little bit more specific. Yeah. And I, I thought the tool worked well to for thinking through the policy proposal coming forward with the ordinance change or even if it's not that formal but there's some decision they're making or proposal they're putting forward. It could be when they could have a big grant proposal or something and not and like thinking about how you would shape your project to structure of it works well to just get you thinking through a different different kinds of people and how they might be impacted and different kinds of considerations for how to make sure it's going to work for the community. Well that's also where like, I think we started talking about this but then never kind of circled back of just, are these the right prompt questions, are we like going to get stuck in, you know, what are what are equity issues on and things like that, and, you know, if our if our goal is to collaborate with the city committee is to support them in centering the experiences of oppressed groups, as they consider policy and decisions regarding city operations. Like, not that that's necessary, you know what is our language and their goal. But like, are yeah are these are these the right initial prompt questions to get to those. Yeah. What equity issues, you know, I don't know, do you see like is equity issues. I just, I'm getting stuck here and I don't know. I don't have any solutions right now. Let me just maybe. Yeah, I almost wonder if there's like a if depending on where people are starting, if like, you could almost see starting with one person and their group and like if they're like I'm, I'm not really sure. And like, I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about this for my committee. And then, like, is there are there a couple questions to start like peeling back like okay, like, like what's an example of a big project you're working on, and then like how do we think about the equity implications of that project and like what kinds of issues might you be thinking about like if there's like a couple probing questions or something that would get us to do this. Like, if people are wrestling a little bit with like what what we mean. Right. So, like, start with these prompt initial prompt questions and then just for facilitation facilitators have a few like follow-ups ready to go. Is that I'm just throwing stuff out here but yeah. Okay, and then for justice equity. I mean I was thinking of just like, let me see if I can do this. You know, something like that type of thing. I'm sharing that in the chat. Yeah. So that should we, should we assign roles here too to send out. Is that another next step here. Who will go over what content. Yeah, I think that's, I mean, are we just going to assume the other committee folks can attend a sign folks. The facilitators with the small groups. I think so. Yeah. And potentially like other roles here too. Yeah. Yeah. Of like, I don't know, like Michael's been around the longest so like have him review the charts language or, or have Lauren do that as a city council or something. So yeah. Maybe we can start from the top. Okay. Who should like MC and do the goals and the agenda and the rules. I mean, I'm, I'm happy to do any, any type of role. So you, you kind of tell me, you know, like where you want to be and I'll be where you're not like. Is that great to have you kind of like offer, offer the grounding of the space. Well, yeah, I can do that. And then Lauren, would you want to do like the about see Jack piece, just like how we came to be in the charge, like as a city counselor, does that make sense. Yeah, I'm happy to do that. And then examples, Jeremy I think makes sense for you to do the budget equity tool. Okay. Right. I can do creative discourse. Yep. And yeah, maybe Mike, Michael. I'm going to tell. The responsive thing. And then I can do the like definition. Great. And then. I can do the tech for moving us into small groups, but would you, Jeremy, would you want to just like launch us into the small groups with like. Yeah, I can, I can set up like the structure of the exercise and prompts and all that. And then facilitating a large group discussion or large group discussions. Here's something I thought of, which might help us. So I was wondering if for this larger group discussion we wanted some kind of visual note taking as a screen share, which is something I can do. But not easy to do and facilitate at the same time. So if that's something we need want, I could do that kind of visual capture thing and Shane, if you could handle the group discussion facilitation. That could work. Great. Okay. And then I thought there was a mirror board link on here. Are you still thinking of doing that. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking I would do it. Great. And then closing. And I think this will probably be a little bit wishy-washy, but I think it'll be good to have one person like drive that forward. And so maybe Jeremy, if you're doing that like visual capture, can you just be like, all right, let's like bring forward the big things that they've been coming up. And, and, but thank you and next steps, I guess, too. Yeah, that's fine. Great. Sign sign sign. Okay, and so then going back up to the top here. So we need to confirm people for their roles. And then. So documenting discussions should we just do that in a doc in like in a document in a, where are you thinking of doing that on mural to those long groups. No, I think in the small groups, it's just however people want to take some notes, they should just take some notes. Yeah. Yeah. Have people record on local devices. And then before getting to this real quick, I'm just, do we want to have like a PowerPoint with like the goals and agenda and rules and, you know, some sort of visual. Yeah, I think that's always helpful. Great. Okay, and so then for interesting microaggressions, I think this will maybe just go into the like small group conversation piece of, I mean, there's not many more of us to be checked in with but I feel like that does like make sense just to recognize like be prepared and recognize to tend to name to say, ooh, I'm not sure. Try rephrasing that that hit wrong to me or something like that. Just always a good practice to do you have on that kind of any like go to phrases or statements or questions that help. Yeah, do that. Just so we think it'd be great to have handy. It's not something I'm well practice that. We probably and my work we check in on it and practice like and are like actively suggesting that like probably once a month. Let me see if I can just like copy and paste something real quick. Put it down here at the bottom. Thank you. Why. Oh, because it's in. Thank you. Okay. All right, so making the PowerPoint checking with Mary. Confirm with staff with staff with committee members. I feel pretty good about this. If we get people to come it's going to be great. Yeah, part of our to do. Great. Lauren, should I hand the radio for tonight? Tonight stuff. Yes. Let me just. I was trying to hydrate I have my second vaccine shot in a few minutes. I haven't had breakfast yet. I've only had coffee. This is probably not the ideal. Ideal way to head into it. So, yeah, let me pull up. Okay. So I had a discussion last week and then. Or like last meeting and the last meeting and some of the input that. Some community members have had about the energy. Ordinance. I was. I had offered as you both remember to, to try to use our tool to like think through some different. Jays in the community. So I had taken a stab at using just that format from the. Budget tool. I don't know if. Maybe I could share my screen and we could just quickly walk through it and would love, or if you guys have had a chance to read it, which you might have. We could just talk about if you feel like there's. What jumps out at you. And if anything seems missing. I like Michael had gotten back to me and his, he said like the biggest question in his mind is, is this going to have an impact on home prices. And then it like, if it does, then that has potential implications. It's very unclear from the, what I've been able to find like the, there's, there's like a department of energy study that said people who provide this, their home price goes up a little bit, whether or not their home is more efficient just providing the information but that was compared to homes that don't have it so if our whole community has it. Like, it's been hard to find any kind of like Apple to Apple comparison or good data on this so the researchers you've been working with are like, they don't actually anticipate a big change in home price because of it like especially compared to the changes in home prices that we've seen where like the median price amount failure jumped like $80,000 over the last year from COVID demand. So, and actually there isn't evidence that a home, which is unfortunate for from a climate perspective perhaps but like there's not evidence that a more efficient home actually sells for more. So, that was like the biggest question mark that Michael had that I feel like I've been wrestling with a little is like because that that has implications like I think for buyers for sellers for like it's complex complex it's not like a clear like oh that's just a problem it's like well there's we have an affordable housing problem. So, access to buying homes is one thing like obviously for the seller if they get more money I guess that's a good thing but for them but. But anyway that was like the one thing that I feel like is not captured well in here that he had pointed out and I've been trying to get better data on and that's basically the status. So, what else jumped out to you all. And like my hope is to at Council tonight to like share a couple high level considerations about that jump out at this with Council. And so, if like anything to you is like oh that these seem like the biggest issues that you might be wrestling with or ways you should think about it or concerns to flag or possible benefits or whatever. I'd love to hear that. Yeah, I had a chance to look at it and it felt really great to see the tool being used in this way. I think even if you don't have, even if you do not have all of the things in it I think it's a really good structure for the conversation for people to locate concerns, whether their impacts are positive or negative. And actually, it just occurred to me. There is one kind of like larger impact here that I don't know where it fits in the tool, which is about, you know, addressing climate change. Right and like the benefit of that is hard to calculate. Perhaps but, you know, perhaps to mitigate our impact on the planet. We are taking care of ourselves as a community in that way so that's in some ways that gets lost in the details of, you know, kind of the various stakeholders and the kind of micro and well not micro but the smaller impact so there there's this larger frame that I think needs to always be made visible here too. I'm not sure if it goes in the tool or not. I mean maybe it is somewhere. I think yeah, I'm putting like a little bit of that in the young people and like young people would benefit from communities taking climate action as a generation that will live in the most harmful impact for the changing climate. But yeah, you're totally. Yeah, it's like these, we're talking about like marginalized populations for consideration but like, what, what about like the broader like the ecosystem that that is existing within. Yeah. And you know that to Shayna we know that people feel the impacts of climate change differently depending on their socio-economic status or other identities so you know, you know, you know, you think of long term horizon like larger scales of systems like this is an important step I think for those larger impacts. Got that learn good to go. That's, that's great. I mean I think that's like a good flag for this but then just more broadly because it is easy to get into like let me think of like the very specifics around the situation and like how do you make sure that this tool is continuing to capture like big picture goals benefits. Yeah, or problems or whatever that like might be part of a policy and like make sure you're not just so like in the weeds that those there have to be ways to capture those which you could kind of put it like each category acknowledged some of the big one, you know, like, what are you know, like you said like lower income people are hurt first and worse by climate change like is that captured here like we've got like the young people but like, you know so. Can I just edit this. Yeah, it's making me, although not every issue is going to be like this one but it's making me think about a version two of this. I don't know if either of you are familiar with some of the theory of change frameworks where you know you really you look to the long term change that you want to see as kind of the anchor of like why we're even engaged in this kind of stuff and then you can kind of from there cast down and cascade down into the more detailed steps stakeholders impacts. Yeah. Yeah, I could see like at the top it's like a way to capture like the big picture stuff and then go into like the more micro implications and potential mitigation. It's really helpful to use this and have a framework to think through and they were like, you know, like, we had talked about the need for city help but just like crystallizing a little more like what kind of community members might actually need that help and you know like people without reliable internet access people who might not have the computer skills to do it because it's an online tool. And so like, are we, you know, crystal clear with a community on like what exactly is available to help every single person who might need to use this at some point to be able to successfully navigate it and do it. That's because I feel like I'm like so in the weeds on the policy, like if you were like okay I was going to say like three of like the most like biggest equity issues that jumped out or like what what ones to you looking at this with relatively fresh people or like I would want to make sure that council and you know whatever community members are participating in the discussion like are thinking about X, Y and Z as like the big some of some of the biggest ones to be wrestling with I think it's like city making computer access is like that's a really interesting like thing for me writ large and I think that could be done through the library and I'm curious as you know I don't know if that needs with there needs to be any change, but I've just like recognizing the importance of computer internet access for all residents. Yeah just like seems like something to flag across the board. Yeah. Yeah, and do that to like what what personnel resources are needed to assist people with this. To do the work of complying with the ordinance. I think making sure there's a robust support there. I think you know the one of the leading net positive impacts is this idea of transparency of this, you know disclosure for people. So they make good decisions for themselves about, you know, how to buy and sell properties. You know, any, any, I have a hard time arguing against better information and better transparency so that people have what they need to make decisions so like that just seems like clearly one of the leading and most important positive impacts of this. The other thing coming up for me is that the issue of affordability and, you know, housing access in our community. This is not, in my opinion, this is not the thing that is going to move that needle either way. Like that is such a larger, there's such a larger set of issues and factors creating this housing shortage. I mean, we're talking more about, you know, market forces and the pandemic, and like so many other issues right so I guess I'm getting into some strategy here but to get this conversation away from from that specifically and kind of kind of a tunnel, myopic view of like, I mean, that's going to make housing more or less affordable or change like access to housing in Montpelier. That seems like kind of always have to like get people like thinking bigger scales bigger systems because that's what those issues are about. I'm not sure I'm making sense, but I don't know if I have anything else useful to say. Sorry. That was really helpful to hear those high level. Yeah, it's been really interesting. The input has been almost exclusively focused on home sellers and and the potential burdens on home sellers and like there's virtually no input on home buyer from a perspective of home buyers because it's like everyone's like who's weighing in sticking about like, if for when I sell my house how is this going to burden me. And I don't know if it's like that's an easier thing to think about them like in the future I might buy a home. I don't know. It's been like a very, very one sided perspective on it and like none of the benefits to like for every seller there's a buyer that now can make a better informed decision. Yeah, I think like, again, like that perspective. It's not really acknowledging the reality of our housing market. Yeah, I mean, you'd be lucky if you could buy a house. Yeah, I mean you'd have to like, you'd have to like, I don't know what you would have to do to not sell your house now. Because it's great right. Yeah. It's absurd. You know, yeah, maybe we need to get the realtors who generally want this to be voluntary or not exist because, you know, another hope that their sellers have to jump through. But like some of the, yeah, how many days are houses staying on the market now. How many homes are not selling in Montpelier like really. Well that that's super helpful and I mean that's anything like comes to mind before tonight. Welcome, but appreciate the input and chance to be able to talk with you guys about it. Good luck tonight. Yeah, well it could. I mean it's possible that it's the second public hearing, which is usually when we vote on things but sometimes if we want to get more or maybe even be the third. But, you know, if there's still ongoing questions or whatever we might continue working on it, but yeah, we might vote tonight to see how the, how the discussion goes. Oh yeah. Yeah, good luck. Thanks. Right. Right. So anything else on. I would say I will, yeah, we want to wrap up and see you guys next Wednesday evening. And then keep an eye out for Monday, the 24th, getting the draft report and then to discuss on the morning of Wednesday, the 26th. Sorry, that was a lot of numbers that was not that helpful, but I will put it in an email as well. Yeah, that's great. It's exciting. Yeah, here we go. Yeah. All right. And Shayna and you'll just like you'll be depending on RSVPs week will just stay in touch through email if it seems like reschedule if we don't hit some kind of critical math. Yeah, and otherwise we'll just, even if it's a small group, it could be a test run. Okay. Cool. Thanks so much. Thanks. Thank you. See y'all. You too.