 Right, great question from Brian. Why would anyone use a mesh avatar? I don't get it. What's the big deal? Haven't we all seen this before? Is Microsoft venturing into Second Life? I love that. I mean, Mike was a huge Second Life guy. So what are your thoughts? Yeah, well, I still have my, you know, I still have my MySpace up. So that whole Second Life and MySpace and it go right together. Yep. Yeah, no, no, not really. I don't know. I'm kind of mixed on it because it really, everything else is like avatars. When you go into any other kind of service, you go into Twitch, you go into Discord, you go into, you know, any of these other online service, you know, there you go. So there goes Christian, right out. Yeah, changing it right up. Yeah, yeah. You know, you start getting into these avatars, right? The problem is, is that, would you stop? Wait, I have to do one more. This is my favorite one. Robot hands. That's great. If I can continue Christian. Yes. Not distracting at all. So you look at all these different, the services that have these avatars, except we're talking about small avatars. Now Microsoft has gotten into this whole, really kind of Second Life, like you mentioned, or I hate to say it, but Meta. It's gotten into the whole Meta avatar world and bringing up, you know, a lifelike animation that you can pretty much just hide behind and you can, you know, not have to show your face. You can be whatever you want to be and talk to the people on your meeting, you know. So I think it's, I think it's cool. I don't think it's necessary, but you know, it's not something that, if they invested a lot of money in it, I think that was a wrong thing to do. The fun is necessary. We're spending so much time in these video calls and there is a lot of people, when we're talking about being inclusive, there are a lot of people who really don't cope with having their face out there and when we talk about diversity and inclusion and when we're also appealing to the young who, you know, really enjoy that sort of thing or in the schooling environment where they're very self-conscious and they won't turn their camera on it on. When we get the quiet and they're really self-conscious, it's a way for them to actually be able to flick it on and give them that bit of freedom, which I really love, when you've got family members that see it in that neurodiverse range, to see them actually feel like that they can be included is a fabulous thing. From a meeting perspective, when it's being serious and it's like, can we not? There's a, you know, there's like two sides to it that it's happened when I was in a meeting. Yeah, can we not, you know? But I was on the Yammer call and then Microsoft, they all turned on their avatars and showed us back when and I kind of went, hang on, who's who? Cause not all pictures are very representative of who they are. And you kind of go, hang on. So then you're reading names to try and then it was all a little confusing when we're in a serious kind of call. So, yeah. That's the question. That's the question too. I know that there's a, I won't shame in here, but a good friend, a Microsoft employee who says his policies, personal policies is if he joins in a call and there's people that are in there with the avatars, he exits the call. He says, I can't take it seriously. Like I can't, like for the work setting. And I'm just like, well, yeah, yeah. But so I will say this, like, look, I, like I haven't went and built the profile. I don't actively use it. I don't have a problem with, even if I'm having a bad hairdo, a hair day, I, which are, which is often. And I, I'm okay with being on camera and doing that. But the, I understand for all the reasons, Kirstie, you just brought up. And for the broader VR and AR world, I mean, the other side of this is that it's, we're going to see it more and more. And I think I'm more excited. We've talked about this in the past. I'm more excited about the augmented reality capabilities. I'm excited to get to the point where we can have more, more realistic avatars where it almost like looks at your picture and does like a scan. And so it's a cartooned version of you at one point and that you can tweak it a bit, but that it's more representative. So you do know who that is. But there's also something that happens when you're in those environments, the VR and the AR environments where your mind adjusts to that very well. And having an avatar versus just having a floating picture, I said it does something to the brain. You are able to adjust to that within those of VR worlds. And it's, so like I get it, it is powerful in those. I think we're not anywhere close to where it needs to be for it to truly be mainstreamed. I think we're years away from that. But I think for me in what I said before, I understand that the diversity inclusion portion of it that I think is something that's really beneficial, but at the same time for me, I'm kind of like that, it's distracting, okay, if you will. For me, I can't focus on, I feel like the person you mentioned from Microsoft, I can't focus on the meeting, because I'm distracted by all these cartoon characters all over the screen, right? And what they're doing. So I really don't get that from a people perspective anymore, being two years where you had all virtual meetings and you're just used to people with their backgrounds and their animals and their, and the interruptions and children and all that, right? We become much more lenient and empathetic to that. Yeah, with the avatars, eventually you get to a point where you just accept them, right? But I'd like really see is that, you get to a total immersive experience like they've been talking about, is when you get to the immersive experience where you're wearing the Oculus, or you're wearing and being able to go out and walk and talk and touch, and you can't really feel anything. But it also, I feel like I don't want to get to that point. And I'll tell you why I don't want to get to that point is because I feel like that I've just become my son's generation where they don't go outside a lot. They don't socialize a lot. They stay at home. They put on the VR or they're playing online games and that's their socialization or it's on a phone. So as an adult, that's lived 50 plus years. It's a thing where, remember when you had to go into the office and it was a requirement to be in the office and that's how you socialize with people. That's how you met people. That's how you lived basically. But this I think is leading us to being more secluded and less outgoing and receptive to getting out and meeting people. So that's something that sticks in my head. And I just, I don't know, I got a problem with that. Yeah, I'm disagreeing. I think each team needs to have, it's like part of that collaboration contract. It's the, what do you do when it comes to meetings? It's about understanding your team and setting our boundaries and understanding what those boundaries are and just go, sorry, I don't cope with avatars. Is it possible to have them and be vocal about it? But polite, it's like all things. We just have to start thinking about how we want to engage as a group. Like for a teacher, for example, who's got a lot of students, will that teacher actually allow them to have avatars on for these reasons or not? It comes down to there's gonna be some personal preferences and there's no real right or wrong answer. If you want to experience the whole avatar thing, but in the real world, there is some lessons to be learned from the movie, Frank. You've not seen it? No, I don't know. Look it up, Mike. Okay. All right. Yeah. But great soundtrack, by the way. But yeah, I think there's a lot that still needs to evolve around that space. Again, I go back to saying that I'm excited about the augmented reality aspects of where things are going and not so much the pure VR side of that. And I think that advances in the avatars to where it looks more like actually us, I think will be helpful in getting us there. Yeah, I definitely think we're just, it's a maturation thing. We're at the beginning, we're at the very, very, very beginning of being able to use these things for something that matters. And just remember, all tech starts with other implications and other reasons for being around. And ultimately, it kind of comes into the culture and it comes into the normalcy of what we do today. And the next couple of generations, this is normal for them. They are very, very used to those types of things and they're gonna expect that to persist through their business life as they get older. They won't look at that as not being serious. They will look at it as, this is just how life normally is. So I think there's gonna be a transition but it's gonna be slow. But I do agree with you, Christian. I think the more, I think the more realistic and the more like us, they can become for us to use in these kinds of situations when you do have, and it's not so much a bad hair day, but to Kirstie's point, it's the idea of I don't have a home life that I want to put on camera or maybe I'm not in a situation where I feel comfortable sharing myself, but I do want to have a presence. And I'm gonna tell you what, a couple of years ago, I had to say it was kind of silly, but after sharing its circles with people's initials in them for the last two years, I'd rather look at an avatar. Yeah. That's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah. It's growing on me for sure. I hate you.