 I think it's safe to say the early season optimism is draining pretty quickly you know. We never get beat by Westam, we never get beat that soundly by Westam, certainly not at home. That's six goals we've conceded in the last two games against them and that never ever happened. Disappointing thing about this, we sort of picked up where we left off against Huddersfield. There was no intensity again, the team disjointed, the attack wasn't flowing together and it was just nothing like what we've seen in the first few games, it's sort of like the team reverted back to type against Huddersfield and just carried it on against Westam. I went to see League of Gentlemen last night at the Echo Arena after the game and it was dead funny but one of the funny things about it was because you knew the characters and you kind of knew what was going to happen and that made it some of the scenes a little bit funnier. With Everton, it's kind of like the reverse of that, you know the players, you know what's going to happen but it's just not funny, you just don't want to see that anymore, we want it to change and it did change for the first few games but then we've just, it's frustrating to see us go back into that slow pedestrian style of play, we're not closing down again and Westam just came, they sat in but not like Huddersfield, they sat in and they got the extra quality and they hit us with that as if Jorma Lenko wasn't going to score yesterday and he went and scored two. I thought all in all, it was just really good up front for them, he gave Halligate a terrible time, he had his worst game in a long time and Calvert Lewinout on the left again, why? Why play him as a winger, he's a centre forward, Towson's game's on the wane by the look of it, he's not scoring goals which is fine while he was linking up well and knitting the plays together but he's not really doing that anymore, I think obviously the common denominator in this is not having with Charleston and you can say we're a one man team, we may well be but when you've got to play with that quality any team is going to miss that and we're missing that massively now, we can't come back quickly enough, it's Arsenal next, a place where we haven't won since 1996 I think when Graeme Stewart scored and Kacelskis but if you look at it Westamble have come to Guddison thinking they're not going to get anything, they were rock bottom, they were playing all right in some games apparently but they just weren't getting the result but they were rock bottom and they were coming into the game with Guddison, we're their bogey team and they beat us 3-1 so hopefully we can go to Arsenal and do the same, we'll have with Charleston back, we may have Mina in defence, he's going to have to come in and be a pretty big player now because our defence just looks, it looks shot to pieces again, I thought the positives from the game, Dean you played decent at left back, going forward he's very good and I thought Bernard when he came on he looked really lively, he's only small but he doesn't let that affect him, a couple of times he had the Armour Lenko off, he was about three times the size of him so he looks a class player and he looks like he gets stuck in as well, so then next week came in with Charleston up front making a massive difference but it's the defence, I mean Pickford's even off his game as well, he was off fault a few times and for at least two of the goals I think, it was just, it was just a really really bad game again and we need to pick ourselves up and get ourselves out of this rut, hopefully as I say, Charleston coming back will do that, Bernard having more influence in it, I think Sigurdsson's got to up his game now because he's been on almost the last couple of games, it's frustrating again but as we've said all along, we've just got to be patient, we said we were going to be patient in the summer, we can't suddenly turn round now and say oh that's it, now rip it up, start again because we keep doing that and if we do it again it's going to be like oh what should we just get Sam Ardys back in, steady this ship, we just need to stick with it now and it might be painful but we used to it, we used to go through pain, that's kind of what we do and but yeah just try and stay positive, that's all I'm gonna try and do, it's gonna be difficult next week at Arsenal and because they're usually batterers but just gotta hope that it doesn't pan out like last season and we go at them and we put in a performance like at Wolves or a performance like at Bournemouth until you know until like they pulled the background, the science to show that we can change the way we play and we can get better and hopefully we'll do that next week.