 Today we'll be talking about skill sets that prepare students for work in archives and special collections. So let's get started with the agenda. Today's agenda consists of an overview of the archives and preservation pathway, which courses students can consider, how students use a skill set, and then we'll meet faculty with expertise in this area who have made themselves available to answer your questions. So what is archives and preservation? Roles within a library environment could include digital project specialist, information governance manager or analyst, manuscript curators, records and information managers, or special collections archivist. Here's a list of core theory and knowledge that students pursuing the pathway would benefit from in building a career in this area, such as the principles, processes and standards guiding the digitization of cultural heritage materials, for how to collect and curate new digital media and libraries and other cultural, how to define, identify, control, manage and preserve electronic records. Foundational and recommended courses such as internships, resources and information services and professions and disciplines, or information technology tools and applications. Also in the bubble in the cloud is the website to the pathway for archives and preservation. So now I'll turn it over to Sheila. Thanks, Taryn. So let's get to the question that you all want to know. How will you apply this coursework in library and archival settings? Well, first you'll want to read and become familiar with the Association of College and Research Libraries guidelines, competencies for special collections, professionals. Now this guide lists the eight specialized skill areas for professionals building skills for this profession. These include collection development, description and access, information technologies, data management, instruction, management and leadership, preservation and conservation, promotion and outreach and reference. Each specialized skill cluster in this document lists further delineated competencies for each specific job function. And so the level of competency required will vary according to the particular position, the institutional setting and the career pathway of each professional. So it's a good practice to review these guidelines as you build a wish list set of electives with the iSchool career pathway recommendations and that you continually self assess as you go through the program. Don't forget to ask yourself what particular skill sets you may already have obtained in your own work or volunteer positions. If you don't have work experience in special collections or archives, it's really essential to plan for extracurricular activities. This might include attending conferences, taking a for credit or non credit internship, engaging in a professional mentoring program, or looking for student organization leadership opportunities as valuable parts of your professional development. Now the advising toolkit on our website has helpful tools such as our MLIS and MARA rotations. Now these tools tell you when we plan to offer the specific seminar topics across the terms fall, spring and summer. We also have a unit planning tool that allows you to develop a plan for your own pacing throughout the program. Our syllabi search tool and courses to comps, comps to courses tools, each help you to retrieve a list of seminar topics that support the specific MLIS competencies. If you need help working with any of these tools, you're able to schedule a personal zoom appointment with me to receive coaching on how to use these tools. Now MLIS students who are interested in the archives and preservation pathway can also easily earn a stackable advanced certificate in strategic management of digital assets and services within their master's degree at no additional cost. If they take the Info 282 topic of digital assets management, plus six more units from this digital assets management certificate pathway. And the courses are listed here. Now it's as simple as submitting a certificate audit form with the listed nine units immediately following the conclusion of your final semester in the MLIS program. This is a great way for you to highlight your digital skills with employers. Other resources that the iSchool has to offer you include the annual MLIS skills at work report with curated information for job seekers specific to archives and preservation work. Now slides five through eight of the report contain more detailed information about hiring trends and see especially slides 23 and 36 to view sample job titles, job duties, job skills and technology standards for archives and preservation work including museums and cultural heritage organizations. Our community profile series, which is broken down by the specific career pathways and our alumni career spotlights database and our LinkedIn searching are all fantastic tools. There are ways for us to find more about career pathways and archives and preservation now some of our alumni who have filled out a career spotlight page on our database. They have included their contact information. So you might be able to try to reach out to them, maybe through LinkedIn or their email, if they provided it for an informational interview and could learn more about the steps that help them find their way through to their current position. You can also be very proactive and create some job alerts, perhaps on your other job search aggregators with your keywords, so that you can keep one eye on the types of positions in the archival settings that are available in your area. Now, these are some examples from our very own student chapter of Society of American Archivist Twitter feed. I found that they had posted some great job opportunities, so keep your eye on that. We also have some examples on this slide from the archives gig site and indeed.com. Now, you can also regularly try our own SJSU handshake, which you all have access to through your one dot SJSU account. All job announcements that come into the iSchool are directed over to SJSU handshake. So this database is available to all iSchool students and even alumni have access to this for job search. There are many other recommended job sites listed on our career development resource on our website. So read those sample job descriptions as you create these job alerts for your targeted positions so that you could keep track of knowledge skills and abilities listed for the targeted positions that you're preparing for. And finally, don't forget to tap into all the fantastic career supports that iSchool has put into place for our students. A good way to organize your efforts is to make use of our career planning checklist, which is located inside your student success planner that many of you will remember from your Info203 class. And I've just listed a few of these suggested activities for career development on this slide. Okay, and now you have the amazing opportunity to hear tips and recommendations from experts in this pathway. iSchool's Archives and Preservation Pathway Advisors. We have not one, not two, but four of them here for you today. And first, they're going to introduce themselves and let you know a little bit about their background in this career pathway. And maybe some of the skills and topics they feel are really timely for folks pursuing this pathway, as well as a little bit about the courses that they teach from the pathway. And then we will be opening it up for Q&A with all the panelists. So that should be fantastic. So without further ado, I get to introduce Dr. Bushy, who will be going first. Thank you so much, Sheila. Hi, everyone. I apologize if there are some weird sounds behind me. I am literally working in a construction zone right now. Oh, so I am teaching this year, or this semester, Info 259, which is preservation management for archives and Info 284, the seminar in reference and information services and archives. So my background is that originally I was a professional photographer and I noticed the transformation of analog photography into digital and it made me so curious. I decided to go get my master's degree in archival information at the University of British Columbia in BC in Canada. And the timeliness of that was that I was able to become a graduate research assistant with the International Research Project on preserving electronic records in electronic systems. I quickly started doing research that I have conducted for over 20 years now on digital photography, and that has been an amazing experience. It has led me to learning and knowing about digital curation, social media systems, and now my most recent research that I'm doing under the auspices of the Inter-Paris project is artificial intelligence and looking at how that affects archives, but especially images. And so I have in my career, I have taught as a professor, but I've also been a consultant and led different types of archival projects from massive digitization projects at museums to working with the United Nations climate change secretariat on their audio visual records. And I can definitely attest to the importance for our graduates here at San Jose State University to be exposed to concepts of digital preservation and digital information management. And I think that regardless of where you choose to take your career, most organizations will want you to have a basic understanding of how to manage and how to preserve digital records and digital information. So I know that a few students have already reached out to me to try and make sure that before they graduate, they have some of those archival or digital preservation courses included in their portfolio before they graduate. And I'm always happy to have exchanges about that. And I think today we can get more into it while I'll let and leave space for my fellow colleagues on the panel to speak about their backgrounds as well. But one of the things that I do in both of my courses and some of you may be in them right now is really integrate both analog approaches or, you know, services in archives and activities in archives that focus on both analog materials and the digital records as well, because I think that that holistic approach will serve our students in the long run and will make it so that no matter what job interview you go for or research project that you're starting on, that you are always looking at it from this larger perspective and making sure that you are including both skill sets. So that I'll leave it now and I think it's Dr. Hodges turn on the list so Sheila I'll let you introduce him and I know he has an amazing amount of experience to talk about in the world of digital preservation. Oh, thank you so much. Yes, let's right away go over to Dr. Hodges next. Hey everyone I'm Dr. James a Hodges I am also an assistant professor here at the San Jose I school and much like Dr. Bushy I specialize in things related to digital archives and preservation. But there are some differences in our expertise as well so you know I thought it was really nice to hear her sort of short biographies you know where she came from. I think it's useful to know that in general so this is going to be a sort of theme I think that I would encourage you all to start thinking about when you're when you're dealing with professors are thinking about whose classes to take is think about where we've come from and what expertise that might mean that we have, and it'll help you to be a little bit more strategic and who you decide to take classes with because I think one thing you've probably noticed is that a lot of courses have multiple categories right and since they're largely asynchronous, you know it's not like you need to choose based on what day of the week they're happening it may be that you want to choose based on what professor most suits the sort of path through the program that you think is going to put you where you want to be. I'm James Hodges. Before I came to the I school world I worked in corporate media I did things like, you know I worked for the Financial Times briefly where I helped them develop a searchable database of corporate governance information. That was sort of my first step into the digital information management world. After that I was working for the New York Daily News where I was helping them manage assets related to digital photos kind of similar to what Dr. Bushy was describing. And then I went back to grad school, because what I really wanted to learn more about was preserving software. I grew up my father was a computer programmer I was a computer hobbyist. And as I was working in this sort of digital asset management world what I realized was that there's growing amounts of interactive digital objects like software for example or video games, or even just dynamic web content. And the, you know at the time when I was deciding to go back to school around 2010. There was not so much happening quite yet I mean the gears were just starting to spin, as far as understanding how to preserve those things in the long term. So that was kind of where I came in and I went back to grad school and I worked on digital preservation, especially focusing on issues related to dynamic digital, born digital content, like software like dynamic web pages etc. Now if you look at my research what I've come to specialize in is the application of digital forensics methods, which is ways of sort of reverse engineering these digital objects to understand how they were made, how they work, who worked on them so on and so forth which I'm sure you can imagine is somewhat important to know if you're, say processing a collection for an archive it's useful to know how to very similar copies of a file are slightly different which one do you keep, or do you keep both of them. So just an example and you know, if you want to get in touch and you want to read some research I would be happy to talk all day about that kind of stuff. But let's get into the teaching now I know that's the really important thing here so I teach info 202, which is a required course so everyone has to take it information retrieval systems design. And in the fall I'll be teaching info 256 which is archives and manuscript and that's sort of your gateway into the archives and manuscript world. So I'll go back to something I mentioned in the beginning of my little spiel here which is that a lot of these courses have multiple instructors associated with them right so I happened to be someone who works in the field that I just described to you born digital objects software web preservation etc. If you're interested in other forms of preservation, there might be other faculty who teach the very same courses who you might really want to get in touch with and take that course from so for example, in my sections of info 202. We have two weeks devoted to archival information retrieval systems and that is unique to my section of those courses. Other people, you know, there are a few weeks where we can kind of wiggle around and introduce our own expertise so other people might have different content there. So that's an example of sort of you know if you're getting ready to take one of these required courses. Think about who you might take it with and don't be afraid to get in touch with them ahead of time to see if they've adapted that course to include any of the subject matter that you're most interested in. You know info 202 everyone takes it, but there's different flavors so think about the flavor that you might get. Similarly with archives and manuscripts my version will be a little bit more geared towards some of the more in digital preservation issues that I happen to specialize in but if other areas are more interesting to you perhaps say, you know, medieval manuscripts maybe that's what you want to specialize in. There's other people who might be able to give you more advice in that area so now I can get into what some of my sort of general tips are. They say, don't be afraid to get in touch with us you know when you're thinking about what courses to take, as I sort of alluded to think about who's teaching it and what you might get out of it and don't be afraid to send them a quick email just to ask. We're all really busy you might not get a wildly, you know, in depth answer but I suspect we'll be happy. Most of us to at least share a syllabus or at least share some preview of what will be on the syllabus that can help you to sort of plan your path out ahead of time. One other thing that I wanted to note is just that, you know, my personal trajectory, you might have noted it involved me working in digital asset management digital preservation records management outside of the typical glam setting you know galleries and museums so there is a lot of work with the skill sets in alternative areas. And if you're interested in those sorts of things you know, don't be afraid to start sort of networking and dipping your toes in those areas as well. And yeah just to start talking to the professors as soon as you can to see which versions of these courses you want to get into because where your mentors were not just your professors for those courses right you know, if you need documentation, you'll probably still be in touch with us after the course so it's useful to try and be strategic about who you start having those academic relationships with when you're registering for courses. I think that pretty much covers it for me but of course I'm hoping that we get lots of good Q amp a so I will pass it back now and you can hear from somebody else thanks everybody. Thank you so much, and I just want to point out if you're a Mara student that's joining us today or you're listening to this recording that info 202 is an elective for the Mara program as well so that might be of interest to you. Dr Hoffman right on time. Awesome. You are next if you're ready. You, you're muted or something like that. You might want to check. Dr Hoffman is coming directly from another speaking obligation so we're so happy you're able to join us. Still not hearing. Yes, perfect. All right. It's been great with back to back to the end. Hi, everyone. Dr Dara Hoffman. I am the Mara program coordinator as well as an assistant professor and I teach info 284 digital duration, which is one of the archives electives as well as 200 information. And I'm always happy to talk about. Whichever part of interested in and talk archives all day long every day. Dr Hoffman if you want to bump up your mic a little tiny bit. Would you share with our attendees a little bit about some of the courses that you teach that folks on this pathway might be interested in taking. We have digital curation listed so you might want to start with that one. Is that better for the sound. Yes. So digital curation is an overview of the life cycle of digital objects from creation all the way through preservation and eventually to their access reuse and transformation into something new. It's a very high level course I always joke that you know every week is a separate course so one week we do metadata so it's very fast. Introductory level but it's a really good course to kind of get your feet wet if you think you might be interested in digital archives, digital preservation and then I'm happy to send you to all of my peers who teach the more in depth courses in that that are part of the digital curation life cycle. And I think I have a small boo boo on this slide because I don't believe you teach info 200 information communities so I apologize about that. Oh, did you in the past. Okay. Right now I because I have a course by out to be the more a program coordinator I'm not currently teaching it but it's you know it's part of the MLIS for and you know information communities are of course for to what we do on the archive side as well as in library and chip so. All right, I think it looks like are we turning it over to Professor Lindberg at this time. Yes. I'm muted. Can you hear me okay. We do we hear you all right well. Well, I have the dubious distinction of basically giving you my farewell I can teach, I can tell you what courses that I teach now, but I won't be teaching them after the end of May because I am officially retiring from teaching. And I'm still an archivist, but so a couple of things I can tell you, I've taught SJSU for 22 years, and I went to school SJSU. Thank you. I'm not retiring from being an archivist, however, but but I'll tell you about my work and maybe you'll understand why. So the classes that I talked here at SJSU. And I'm teaching this semester is info 256 archives manuscripts course 284 the seminar in on on EAD and so we have to find my replacement for that. I still serve on the technical subcommittee for encoded archival standards for SA a this the site of American Archivist so I will continue to be connected to EAD and all of its wonderful changes and coordinating of standards and all the things that you have to do. In that area of our work as archivists, and I also taught of course for quite some time in XML so I like the programming side of things that I like, I like making structure so that was always a great thing for me as an archivist was organizing and arranging things so I currently work where I started my first internship and archives you know school getting my getting my MLIS at SJSU was at Bank of America and I've stayed pretty much around the kind of corporate world for quite a long time. And I didn't just exclusively teach of course I worked also as a professional archivist and have been an archivist for 20 plus years. So my first, my first place was Bank of America, I stayed pretty much within that realm I went I left to became a consultant so those of you who are interested in, in kind of going, going rogue and not working for an institution, you can certainly contact me I'll give you guys my contact information. But I think I work for the Federal Reserve Bank Jelly Belly Candy Company. Sometimes your work really can be hazardous to your health because it depends on your, your clients at the time if you're going to be a consultant and when you're working for a candy company. You eat a lot of candy and so I gained 25 pounds working there so but anyway so being a consultant for a long time, kind of as I've gotten older I've decided okay, I'd like to have a, I'd like to have a final job you know it's the, this would be the crown jewel of my career which was has been a pretty, you know consistently successful self employed archivists. And so I'm working for Cummins which is a fortune 500 company, and I'm heading up there, their heritage center, and they're a great forward looking company they they're 104 years old now so started in 1919, and they're, they make diesel engines that's what they've been known for for a long time. But now of course they're retooling and looking for themselves as a bright new future so it's exciting there to to see the progress of this company go from strictly having records done by hand to the highest of technologies and so I've got, I've got all kinds of things that run the gamut in this particular situation and in this particular scenario so I really want to sit spend the last years of my career focused on it and so that's why I'm leaving his GSU after 20 years sad to see it happen. 22 years but but yes I'm finally will be leaving as JSU. What does that mean though we need and so we have some great faculty here Dr Bushy, Dr Hodges. And I'm sorry who was my, my previous, it was my predecessor. Anyway, we need a new. We need a new sponsor for the essay student chapter. And so if you're willing to take that one that would be fantastic. We have one of the best student chapters in in the universe believe me it's certainly the best in the US. They're incredibly active. The people from from the snap round table of SA I really look to our student chapter as their model of what a student chapter should and could be so I hope that one of you will will be interested in stepping up to that plate. It'd be fantastic it's nice to see that we have such a great number of new faculty coming on for a long time it was just me. So it's great to see how how well the mar program is doing. So that's kind of where I'm at and just want to tell you that depending on where you're going to work. You can chart your own path you guys, or you can decide you want to stay in one niche. I say don't put all your eggs in one basket, trying to make sure you get a solid grounding and digital material, you have to understand it from beginning to end. There's no doubt about it, because that's how our records are produced. Now, that's what they are. But also, if you want to make sure that you are well versed in how to deal with paper, how to do basic taxonomic classification, how to understand information structures, how to understand what we do in the organization of information. And that is absolutely critical in my work. You just learn how to how to use information visualization tools, understand the importance of metadata. And so take take classes that that get you down that path. Okay. I guess I will wish you. Yeah, the reports of papers that I have a lot of paper, the reports of papers that are greatly exaggerated. Yes, indeed, it is. So, yeah, feel free to contact me at comments. There's my email address. So you can look up commons.com you can learn all about my company. And it's, it's a massive multinational manufacturing entity. It's a great kind of capstone to my career. I'm very excited about it and wish you all the best of luck. Oh, that was just absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much for your legacy here at SJSU iSchool and for taking a moment to take us down the memory lane of what you've what you've accomplished all the courses that you've pioneered here. We're just so grateful and thankful for your time today. I think, folks, we're getting ready for our Q&A session next. And so just a couple of reminders. I think our Q&A should be working and open. If not, I will get our chat open back up again. So, if you'd like to drop in your questions for our faculty advisors. You can let us know if it's a question for a specific faculty panelist here today, or if it's for anyone you can let us know as well. And then make sure that you if you're using the chat to pull down to all panelists and attendees. And so we'll get going with our, our Q&A. Okay, it looks like we have our first question. Laurence wants to know, I have a question about gaining experience. I currently work as an adjunct professor in English and I'm trying to make the switch from teaching to archives. I use a lot of archival material in my academic research dissertation, but I'm having difficult time to even get an interview for an entry level part time or full time archives job. So I obviously don't have the MLIS in hand. So I was wondering if you had any advice about gaining experience. And this is for any of the panelists who want to unmute and take a stab at this one. I can jump in first. So, I remember a time when I also was having trouble getting some of my early jobs. And I when I finally got some interviews. What I remember was that people wanted to talk to me about things that I had posted on social media so without even realizing it was something one might do strategically. I had started Twitter and a LinkedIn and some blogging, and I would write about these projects that I was doing. So I was working for school sometimes kind of related to school. I was making Twitter bots I was collecting like visual artifacts of various kinds I was collecting music, and I was just kind of making things so that I could share that with people, and people did actually find it and I'm more than one occasion when I did finally get the interview someone would actually ask about something that I wouldn't have expected them to find it all. And, you know, people say, Oh, you know, be careful what you post on social media because people will find it but there's a positive spin to that to which is, if you post things on social media, people might actually find it. You know, I know it's sort of tough to tell somebody just start posting things to your GitHub or to your LinkedIn or whatever. But it can actually sometimes get you just that extra little nudge so that way someone sees some project you were involved in and feels compelled by and they want to ask you about it and that is sometimes that's more important for the interview. Then them saying, Oh, this is a great candidate we want to hire this person sometimes you know it happens on that gut personal level where people just want to ask you about something so whatever work you're doing I would say make sure there's some record of it so that people can find it whether it's coursework volunteer work, any other professional type of work you're doing just make sure people can find it because that really can be that little extra nudge people need to want to get you in for an interview. Super suggestion. Do any of our other panelists have other ideas. Sure. I definitely agree with Dr. Hodges. It's always important as a student but also as a, you know, in my own experience as an academic to have some place, maybe it's LinkedIn, maybe it's a website. You know, where you are promoting the projects that you've done or the partnerships you've been involved in. Of course the e portfolio that students produce here at the i School is a excellent example of how you can showcase what you've done and the knowledge that it's related to in a way that an employer can understand. And then also if you have an opportunity to volunteer. I know that that's not ideal because you are not getting paid, but I do know that volunteering or doing types of internships or practice comes with an organization that is either similar to where you'd like to work eventually or will give you the skills that you might feel you're lacking because you may have done a lot of online and not physical actual interaction in an archives. Those are all really good opportunities you don't have to volunteer for very long you can volunteer for a few months in a summer or something like that and it just begins to give you a really concrete idea of what that archival work is about what you do and don't like I mean there's nothing more important than finding out well maybe there's this aspect of archives that you find really tedious or that you find really enjoyable so that would just be my suggestion I know that that gets your toe in and everybody likes to hire someone who can say that they actually did do some digitization even if it's a small little project that might help you get in the door. Super and I see that some of our attendees are providing additional tips and suggestions Sabrina. Dropped in some comments about where she found her current internship through an SAAC event. And so yeah take advantage of our student chapters of professional organizations, get that article or blog post published with SAAC or am I trying to say the our journal SRJ sorry about that you guys. Dr. Bushy is answering a question so that's great. The next one we'll go to is anonymous I came to the archives pathway late in my time at SJSU, and I won't have time to take Info 256 unfortunately, although I've taken many of the higher level archives, digital curation pathway. Do you have any recommendations for readings books or external educational resources to get that introductory archives knowledge. Anybody on the panel. I'll jump in. I'm a fan of getting involved with our various professional organizations, not every archivist in the field has even an MLIS or a degree. A lot of folks kind of come into this field through side path and a little lot of the education that's out there. I just came from the National Association of Government Archivists and Records administrators there winter forum it's online and you know $50 for example full day event of currently practicing folks talking about what's going on. So there's a lot of resources available especially if you start looking at the various certifications like the ICRM certification, the ACA certifications they all have published bodies of knowledge, and reading lists that you can refer to to say okay this is kind of considered the basics for what a practicing records manager might need to know. I think it and it's also really good for them making the connections and getting your foot in the door because this is not a big field in a very real sense. Once you're active and say SCA if you're in California, folks are going to start to know you so that that's one of my suggestions. I would say also, well, yes, I also, I second Dr. Hodges suggestion of modern archives principles and techniques. Bear in mind, when it was written, and who was writing it, when you read it, but I would say to consider also the basic text by Gregory Hunter. If you want kind of a smattering. It's called developing and maintaining practical archives he just updated it not too long ago certainly you can, you can kind of give that's a good overview type, you know, text for the field of archives. If you want to know something about the history of archives, then I would look at. Gosh, and gill and sweatland sometime ago, put together a kind of a chronology of archives and the history of the archival profession. Which is pretty good it's a, I can't, she didn't really, she didn't really publish it. But it was a great it was around for a long time, but definitely developing maintaining practical archives is just a basic kind of text that kind of gives you some of the, the, you know, the basic terminology and everything that you would need. Super. Okay, we'll go to the next one I see we have so many questions is such an interactive session I love it. I'm still evaluating many options for pathways. How does job availability within archives compared to job availability for other pathways also within archives. Within archives areas have more jobs. I think they're asking which types of positions within archives are are more plentiful for jobs. This is probably going to depend geographically but doesn't do any of our. I think you should follow your interests, but I mean pretty much anything that's going to, I mean, think about certain industries, you know, if you're, if you're wanting to be an academic in the kind of the academic realm, then you're going to have to have a certain set of basic skills and things so they're going to expect you to know and understand that working and because they're all about data collection and data organization and data sharing and, and so on so you're going to have to be looking at that if you're thinking you might want to stay. I wouldn't recommend necessarily my pat my path. You have to be pretty outgoing and willing to, you know, do pretty much anything, but it's, but you can, you can do it if you have the ability and the gum should to do it but if you want to stay somewhere. It's really up to you, you know, I think it's. If you have a panelist base basis to your work, then kind of explore some internships and then see what what different environments might suit your personality better. Super, and I see that some of our panelists are also dropping content into the chat which is wonderful. So we'll go to the next question. Do you have any advice or suggestions for someone who wants to specifically work within the realm of queer LGBTQIA to s plus archives. Anyone on the panel. I'll jump in there. I mean, again, my experience is a bit more limited to Canada and but I would say that typically are those archives are very community driven. Pretty much a lot of times underfunded as well. So if you want to be involved with those communities, I would imagine that reaching out and getting involved in them and offering your services would be extremely welcome and extremely well received. And so I think that there's a lot of opportunity with those types of collections and also I am seeing more and more that there are funds grant funds to do even preliminary surveys to make sure that the history of these very important communities are able to be discovered and preserved. So I would also take a look through things like Society of American Archives to see if you can find a special interest group or even be able to start finding out about some funding opportunities. It also means to that if you find some like minded individuals and but you don't have they don't have the resources to pay you that you could probably find some funding for your position. That would be my my first response. Super suggestions. Anyone else. Yeah, so I'm going to build on what Dr, but she said she's totally right. One of the things that say a specifically offers is they have mentorship for students and including they have specifically LGBTQIA to us plus mentorship, as well as mentorship for disabled archivist and so that might be a good program to connect with especially if you don't have your student membership to SAA. And if you know that that's the space where you want to be. This is a large part of my research is working on a peer privacy in archives. You probably will want to make sure that you have those really, you know, practical business oriented. You want to know, make sure you know how to write a grant, you want to make sure that you have project management skills because you're likely going to have professional support from someone with an MBA to do those functions for you in those. Great, so be able to wear many hats if you're in a smaller archival setting. Super. Okay, we'll go to the next one. This might be for you, Dr. Hoffman as well. Can you speak to the value of being certified archivist ACA or digital archive specialist certificate SAA. Sure, I'm a big fan of certifications. They have a lot of market value, depending of course on the role that you're looking in, especially like in the rem world, where most of Mara is focused like the CRM the CRACRM certifications carry a lot of value again, a lot of folks coming into this field aren't necessarily from an MLIS or a Mara degree program. And so that's a way to signal that you have that experience and that work experience. And the digital one is nice. The SAA digital archivist certificate is nice to signal that yes, you have those digital bona fides. So is it, you know, going to be more valuable than your MLIS or your Mara? No, but it's nice to have on the CV as well. Okay, the next one is kind of like a piggyback question wanting within archives, which areas have more jobs. I think they're asking setting like what corporate or government or nonprofit, etc. Can anyone have ideas besides what was shared about the the jobs report or I mean I could maybe just jump in and say anecdotally from teaching the subject material for several years. I've been impressed with how evenly distributed the fields are that my students seem to be getting work. From what I've gathered it seems to be a nearly even split between students who find work in like memory institutions, GLAMs versus students who find work in a more sort of corporate setting. Students who go work at places like, you know, Disney or Viacom or something like that. So, yeah, that that's what I've noticed from my teaching I'm sure others can maybe have other perspectives on it or statistics. Okay, we'll go to the next one. And if you have particular recommendations for organizations or memberships that you found valuable. Note everybody that each iSchool master student gets a free year in a professional organization of their choice. And so I think SAA has been mentioned but if any other panelists have others to chime in. Okay, Dr. Hans put some ideas, Arma, Nagara for records and information management. You definitely and also if you can't afford because SAA can be very expensive. Okay, and I know that even for students, but for us professionals it's very expensive it can be so but still you can join your regional organizations, you have lots of nice regional organizations in the archives so there's Midwest Archives Conference, the Society of California Archivist we have a state here in Indiana we have the state of the you know archives, Indiana Archivist so there's a number of different smaller costs usually cost less. So you can network and you can find internships. I can't tell you enough about, you know, trying to get an internship it's very, very important. Such great advice about smaller regional or state level conferences they're more intimate it's often easier to have discussions with strangers I find. I also want to point out to everyone that if you go to our student resources section of our website and then click down into financial aid and scholarships. You'll get to a section of our page where we have travel grants for students. So if you need support you're presenting a poster at a conference and you need support. Special session students are able to write a grant through the iSchool to get some support with traveling to conferences so always recommend you look into that. Okay, we'll go to the next one. I've seen multiple internship opportunities and museums and archives but unfortunately they're not always appealing due to the very low pay. So for those of us who are mid career with other professional experience but cannot work for almost free. Have you all seen any efforts by organizations to offer internships that offer more than just experience. I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of opportunities because I have bills to pay. Yes, go ahead. Oh sorry, I'm so sorry. So, but I would say, you know, check out corporate archives because oftentimes they have them. And she's an SDSU student. She worked for me last summer and Allegra she came from California to work with me which was fantastic. Now she's back. So you can repeat your internships and it commons. We offer a six month internship that is paid. They will also give you relocation costs, and you get benefits, and you won't find anything like that in, in most places. I can tell you that but if you have if you're interested in corporate archives or in corporate record keeping or anything that is in that field, I would definitely, you know, look for internship opportunities there. And I have an opening right now. Wow, you heard it folks. Anyone else on the panel. I would just say that in our internships database for the four credit internships that's info 294 Mara 294. There is a way to search for which ones are paid and which ones are unpaid. I'll share some my own experience you know it wasn't so long ago that I was in a similar boat I needed to get work and I was as I mentioned when I was answering I think was Florence earlier. I remember what it's like to sort of struggle to get the type of job you need to get the interview you need. And I did at one point even have success going through the interview process and getting offered internship that was supposedly free and I said well, I'm going to break this to you now, I would like to take this job but it has to, I need to get paid. And it actually worked in this one case. I can't promise that it'll always work but if you see an organization where you think you could be a good fit, and it doesn't seem like a complete two string operation. You know interviews are part of a negotiation process right there's always negotiation so don't be afraid to simply say wow this is all really great, but I need to get paid you know it can it can be worth asking sometimes you certainly don't get anywhere if you don't ask. So that that's one piece of advice. I love that. Okay, we'll go to the next question. I'm in the same boat as the previous student I follow the digital curation pathway with the dam certificate. I'm in my final semester, because I didn't get to take info 256 and other archives courses I wanted, I wanted to take so I decided to stay at SJSU and get a post master certificate for digital archives and records management. Can you speak to this option. So for those who don't know a post master certificate and library and information science is offered here at 16 units. We don't. We don't often see people coming directly from their MLIS or Mara into the post master certificate. But you are able to to do that if you need to and there is a three unit. Info 294 internship. Option within that 16 units. So if you need more information about the certificate program. Definitely reach out to me because I run the all the. All the ins and outs for that program. How okay someone's answering that one. I currently need paid work while pursuing my studies. There seems to be many more public library jobs available in my area than there are in archives. I'm more interested in archives. I don't want to relocate right now. If I take a public library assistant position, will that experience apply much to archives or not really. That's a great question. Who would like to tackle this from our panel. I think a lot of it comes down to how you. Oh sorry James cut you off entirely. I think a lot of it comes down to how you, you know, I don't want to use the word sell but I'm going to sell that experience because there's so many important overlap skills. You know, as a public library and you're probably going to be doing some reference and dealing with the public's always an important skill to have. You might be doing some cataloging which is not the same as but it requires a lot of the same thinking and skills as say you know arrangement inscription so I think you can. It's really about using the experience that you gain in a way that move you forward down the line. In some interviews I did recently with some archivists about what they're looking for and their students they were like, you know, I think everyone should work at least two years of retail before they come into this job. You know, to deal with the crazy people who come in so. Okay that's excellent I was just going to refer folks back to those guidelines competencies for special collections professionals because in in there among the eight competencies. They're talking about instruction reference outreach management leadership collection development so like I think there's a lot of transferable skills from the other work environments that that folks can leverage. Okay, I think we finished that one. And we have one more panelist is answering the open remaining question Veronica if you want to like restate your question I'm having a little trouble understanding the question so maybe if you can enter your question again into the q amp a. Okay now I'm going to go check out what did I miss in webinar chat. It's been so lively. We have like about three minutes left. So we can probably answer maybe one or two more questions I think before we're wrapping up. Kelly asked I've noticed that some internship posting is require you to be enrolled in an internship course through your program. How is the timing of that supposed to work and should I be applying to internships now, and then enroll in internship units through the MLIS program once being off an internship position or the other way around I'll make a stab at this. We have an internships checklist on our website if you go to the student resources section of our website and then click into internships. You'll find our internships handbook and our internships checklist walks you through when to do what and your first step is to look at what what's already offered in our for credit internships database. You'll find the listings find the contact person make an outreach see if you can get the interview. And then once you're offered that position, you'll go ahead and fill out an application, which Dr Linda main our associate director will review and approve and in that application you're going to type out your outcome learning outcomes that you wanted to fulfill by doing the internship, she'll provide you with the permission number and then you register for the class that's it in a nutshell. Okay, two more minutes last thoughts, any of our panelists you have last thoughts or tips to share. I just, I just have an appeal, because I'm running for SA vice president, President elect. So if you'd be happy, I'd love if you would vote for me because I would love to have that job. Lovely. Thank you for sharing that with all of our participants. That's amazing. Have a great run at that. And I just want to take a moment to thank my co moderated co moderator Taryn and all of our faculty for their expertise and their time on their lunch or their afternoon, wherever it may be. I want to thank all of our attendees. This has been one of the biggest crowds we've had so far so it's showing you all. They have great appreciation for the courses that you're teaching and the technologies that you're bringing to the program. Thank you so much to all of our attendees and we will be having a recording of this available on our YouTube channel look for that in a couple of weeks. I'm going to put a link into our chat to a survey, which will also be sent out to folks if I can get my link to work who were registered if you want to give us feedback on this session. And so here's that link otherwise have a great rest of your day and enjoy the weekend that's coming. Awesome. Thanks so much everyone. Thank you so much. Thanks Tara and thanks everyone and thanks to all the students.