 Yeah, so just by way of background, the C. Jack, the Social Economic Justice Advisory Committee started in 2018, which is when Michael joined, I joined in 2019, and kind of with two main competing priorities, one to assist the city council in addressing and reshaping the system's policies and practices that perpetuate barriers to racial, social and economic justice, and to push those priorities forward. And so in early 2020, started the process in 2019, we, well, first of all, we have been a much, much bigger committee, historically. I think when Michael and I first joined, it was a full capacity committee, and with lots and lots of members, and the membership has really changed over the years, and has been pretty small for the past year, I would say. So yeah, in like 2020, we signed, we did an RFP and got a contract with Creative Discourse, which is Summa Cormack and Keisha Realms group based out of Burlington, for kind of an initial plan of like a two-year process to like create an equity plan for this city, with like all of these different processes for like focus groups and community dialogue and engagement and surveys and things, and kind of like an iterative process. So we kind of like signed the contract, then the pandemic hit and got our funding was pulled and like all of these other things. And then with George Floyd and kind of the racial reckoning summer, got the funding reinstated, kind of got a renewed interest in doing this work, we're able to fulfill the contract and be able to kind of really do work on, do this report and be able to engage about 50 residents and focus groups, and then others and kind of surveys and other things to and then also to partner up with the newly created on Piliar Police Advisory Council to have some recommendations coming out of that. And then the Montpelier Police Advisory Council, I think that's what it's called, right, took those and like, you know, kind of that was like a time bound kind of, you know, committee and so that they kind of worked on those priorities and then closed shop and Michael was also on that committee and so was able to be kind of the liaison between the two. And then one of the other big priorities coming out of that was the homelessness task force. And so that kind of created a project that like a task with a task force, you know, not a committee, but like focused on this thing that is continuing to meet at 11 o'clock on Thursdays, I think. So it's a time that I can never ever make, but none of us are officially on that, but that's kind of another like spin off. I would say like a spin off of like Zee Jack kind of thing. And so over the past year, as I said, things have really, really slowed down. I think we've really been trying to find our footing and figure out what the next projects that we want to push forward or, you know, if we should, you know, what is our role in the city kind of as being like a platform to be able to do research and answer questions for the city council. But when there aren't pending projects or priorities, it's like, you know, what are we working on? And so last year, we really we we've got a stipend project off the ground. So all city committee members can, you know, not without any needs testing or anything like that can get $50 a meeting just to participate in, you know, in city committees and have been working with Kelly to see if we can expand that to participating in public hearings or other, you know, using those funds in other spaces because they haven't been used in the way that we had budgeted and then have a significant lower budget this year. And and then also, yeah, we'll talk a little bit more later in the meeting about the what we have been asked of support is the the country club that you're not supposed to call it the country club anymore. Um, I can't remember what's called to 79 country couple in that project. And then also working on kind of looking at holidays was kind of another reactive, smaller project that I was actually going to wrap up, but then found that really great article that I showed yesterday. And so if there's more to talk about there, how do I do, Michael? Any or any questions, Caitlin or Evelyn? Yeah. Um, I mean, yeah, I probably do have questions. But they'll probably come up more as we just talk about what's happening. I came in with a couple of questions. So I don't know if that's this is a good time to ask those or. Um, yeah, I missed what our role is in the two 79 country club road project. And then I was also wondering. I saw somewhere, I think on something that you sent that maybe or Michael sent me a bunch of like reading notes. And I was just noticing that there is not a DEI city, city statement, which was surprising to me, very surprising. And I'm wondering maybe why and if we that might be a priority, maybe also wondering about those trainings that were mentioned, the DEI trainings that were mentioned. And I would be curious about the Montpelier Police Advisory Council, maybe like what came out of that exactly. But that's maybe something that could just like be sent to me or I could just look up somewhere. So I think those are my questions for now. Well, yes, there is a long report from the police review committee. And it's really too long to summarize in a few words here. And so I suggest that you go to the city website and you'll find if you can't, if you can't find, let me know. And I'll send you a link that I, that I have somewhere. The DEI, we do, we did sign on to the Declaration of Inclusion, which was a statewide, which is a statewide project. And the council did approve our version of it. So that's, that's what we've done. I think the rest of it is you're right. And I've been pondering this, you know, sort of this is mean that we sort of come to our end of our rope, or is it that we've meeting that we've been very successful because everything that we suggested, we suggest has somehow gotten through the city council and been implemented. So, you know, I'm starting to think that one of our job is to sort of one of our jobs is to identify problems or issues, propose suggestions and step back and let the city council, you know, do what it's supposed to do because we are only an advisory committee and it's in our name. So I think that's a, I think we still, we still have some function and as kind of watchdog and place where, you know, we can at least make some suggestions about what the city council might do to address some of those. Yeah, and I can comment. OK. I was going to say, I can comment on the country club road involvement. So I have been involved in that project pretty heavily for the last year, mainly because it has been such a massive public engagement process. That was going into the creation of the master plan. And so we we worked with CJ quite a bit from the basically from using that advisory capacity as a. So my communications background touches on a lot of the same tenets as that the like that this committee is is working towards. And so we were coordinating as much as possible to make sure that our communications efforts and our public engagement process was as as equitable and as inclusive of all the different that the different populations and stakeholder groups. So that was really helpful for for that process, just to kind of be like a sounding board to say this is you know, this is all right. Our ideas, what are your thoughts on that? And like from your perspective, how can we adapt and change to meet the needs that we just might not be aware of? Perfect. Thank you. Yeah. And to answer a couple of other questions that I heard for like staff training, C. Jack has not been engaged in that beyond supporting the city and like, you know, who should you know, who are potential people who they could hire and things like that. We've also gotten approached several times over the, you know, like just constantly I feel like it's like once a month, like several times, way more than several times from like other city committees or like partners with cities and, you know, just various people saying like, can you can you do a DEI training? And we've just been really, really clear that that is not our role, that there are lots of other professionals who do that work and that there's lots of expertise that goes into that. And that every committee is very like every every group is very different. It has different needs for doing that. And so kind of developing a lot of different resources and can support people and trying to figure out like, what are they looking for and kind of like DEI training, but that that is not, you know, that is not our role in in the city. And then for Michael, you've you've been on you've been on this for a while. Is that like, perhaps the city should hire someone and that's been just kind of like something also on our back, you know, the back burner for us. And there hasn't been a budget or a, you know, priority to be able to do that, like hire a full time or a part time person to really drive all of the these priorities for the city. But that is something that has also been discussed. I think, you know, so you you didn't you didn't include the the the toolkit for equity in city council policy and budgeting. That that was a major effort, I think. Yeah, we definitely have lots of other efforts to the years, too, of like writing reports on, you know, fair how fair hiring practices on, you know, like other like more kind of one off projects to respond to the city. And then this one has been became a much bigger one. That was a request for how can we do equitable budgeting and like participatory budgeting and came up with this tool that we use, like pretty have a bit mostly of just like what are the questions that we should be asking who are who are the, you know, people who should be engaged in these processes and be yeah, being be engaged in in budgeting and things like that. So I can share that, too. Or that is also linked on the CTAX website. Yeah. I think that helps. I have a clearer picture of what we're doing now. So thanks. Thanks for those questions. Yeah. And so, yeah, so we've been working on recruitment for this committee for probably about a year, but not super, super heavily because of some of these questions about like what does, you know, what is our role and where are we where are we going from there? And so we now have, yeah, I guess three volunteer members. And so is there anyone else who is wanting to check in on recruitment and membership if there was anyone else that we should. Invite in. I know I had a couple of folks who were pending and as of like two weeks ago, I think they've all said no. So other priority. It's like been hard. I think it's been a hard time for like volunteer engagement in general. I think like I know I've been dropping the ball all over the place. It's like in my experience. I say also I've worked in a couple of schoolwork committees, too. And it seems like the people who would be great at this are the people who are disenchanted by these processes. Honestly, I think that's really the hardest part about recruiting. And or are engaged in other pathways of change, which are so important. And yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's not just this committee, too. I've been working with several committees who are like down to the wire on on participation. So yeah, it's been it's not definitely not just this committee. It's kind of like we're seeing it everywhere. Yeah, totally. And I will say the stipend helps, especially for a full time student. Yeah, like a report on the two. And one said no and the other one never responded. So that's pretty much a no. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of everyone in my head who would who I would ask. And I know they would all probably say no. Unfortunately. And one of the things we heard from the the report that the consultants, we have is that the folks in minority groups who who speak up are exhausted because there are a few of them who are asked to serve on every, you know, every possible committee. Yeah, so they're we, you know, there's they're starting to say, you know, I can't take on any more or I'm tired of this. So yeah, ideally, this panel would not be all white people, for sure. Right. And we've tried. But we haven't had much success with that, with recruiting someone from, you know, from the BIPOC group. Oh, I just thought of someone. And yeah, and I think right as you know, it's like in an ideal world, this might be a committee run and inclusive of white people. And it's up, it's like up to us to as a, you know, white majority in the city to like do the work and to be driving this work forward. And because it is just wearing on, particularly more wearing on people. So I don't mind if I break down those names. So what can I fill my coffee really fast? That's a great idea. I'm going to, too. I thought this like tickle in my throat. So I'm going to have all the all the public meetings are over for the that the Oaks Club or whatever. Probably what's the next what's the next step with that? Yeah. So the so the the initial phase one, which was like the heavy public engagement part, building up to the master plan has just about concluded. So next week at the council meeting, our project team will be presenting the actionable master plan and asking the city council to adopt it. And then so from that point, the the project will transition from phase one to phase two, which will actually go about developing a plan of how to use that property based on the recommendations laid out in the actionable actionable master plan. Yes. Is there a timeline for the council to make some decisions on that? Or is it just what are they going to have to establish their own timeline? So we so for the adoption of the actual action, well, master plan, we're going to ask for a vote on on the actual in the council meeting. But then the the the phase two will take likely several several years because it's going to be engaging with potential developers figuring out how the, you know, what's going to be built in the community and recreation zone. That's also a parallel public process that we're going through right now is identifying the needs, the recreation and community needs, and then figuring out like what what tangible steps do we need to do we need to act on in order to make that happen? And so that's what the actionable master plan is going to lay out. And it's going to basically say here, based on the the feedback from the from the public feedback from the council, this is what we've come up with. And then it'll just be putting those steps into into order in phase two. So yeah, it's going to this next stage is going to be a very long haul. When do you anticipate like C. Jack's role escalating again in in that process, like knowing like it's going to be now, but then it's going to be years of engagement? When will that engagement like start ramping up and like, yes, when should we plan on? Yeah, so we're going to we're hoping to to keep moving forward with the recreation and community zone planning this summer. So you'll definitely be hearing from us again over the summer. And then that will like right now, it's just kind of we're doing like the analysis of the site, we're doing a data analysis of the usage and etc like that. So that's kind of all the behind the scenes work that'll be done in order to then we'll be able to take that information to the public again. And so, yes, you will be hearing from us again over the summer as that cooks along. Cool. Yeah. OK, bunch of other city questions of over like for several months now, we've been we worked on on getting a city committee application update to make that application for participating in city committees more equitable. And then I think like one change was made and then it's been a big pause. And so I didn't know if you had any updater if that was still on Kelly. I feel like it keeps almost being done. And then nothing's happened. So yeah, I don't. But I will ask her and I'm afraid of that out. Yeah. And then I know Carol looks like Carol is at this meeting and she's not on. But for stipends and budget updates that looks like the stipend budget got cut really, really significantly. But also I know that we haven't been spending that budget at all yet. And for our budget, because we haven't done another round of, you know, hiring for consultants that also has been held. And so, yeah, just is there is there more that we should know on any of those? I will ask that as well. Oh, OK. Michael, were you at those meetings or do you know anything too? Was not. So I just took a bite. Here we go. OK. So then our priorities right now. We kind of have two main ones than one that I saw in kind of our strategic plan. But so first of all, is the city celebrations and recognitions project. So this is not really like a project project. I feel like I've had a lot of complicated feelings about this because we want to make sure that. So the question that got posed to us was, you know, how come the city celebrates, you know, St. Patrick's Day and kind of all the federal white Christian holidays, but not like not a lot of other holidays that are on the calendar. And I think they're, you know, the response has been like that. This is more, you know, kind of a. You know, a lot of different like iterations of what this could look like. You know, like we want to do a report of what the city has celebrated in the past. We want to do more like education, like like just like lots of different ideas on like what this engagement could look like. And I think we're kind of with the next step of this is for the city is more engaging in communications and being really intentional and mindful about where we're sorry, this is not not my house. And there's a landline and I'm just not going to let it ring out. I'm so sorry, but and then it's probably going to go on this speaker for the thing. But I've been doing an employment employee engagement survey. And so Evelyn, I don't know if you know anything about that too. Or yeah, or and any communications update about like holidays and recognitions. Yeah, so I don't have any info on the holidays or recognitions, but I can't I will ask that to Kelly as well. But as far as communications is going, we so I have been working with a few different committees of putting together handouts, like a like a trifold handout pamphlet and to just have as like a tangible document of what it looks like. And to just have as like a tangible document for each committee that kind of just runs through the basics of like who we are, what do we do, what's our mission to increase to have something that we can like, you know, to put around the city or on bulletin boards or send out in like school newsletters or things like that. So if this if this group would be would be interested, I'd be more than happy to to work with you all to put together something like that. So not even for that quite yet. But for like, I think there was like recognition of like posting on social media of of, you know, making sure that there's like lots of different holidays. And I think the blog post that I shared yesterday had a link in it to a calendar of just like not every holiday, but quite a few holidays and like celebrations and like days of recognition in there. And so is yeah, I'm just like, is there a kind of communication, social media recognition plan being made to. Yes, that's so having having that laid out, spelled out with all the different calendar days of recognition. That would be super helpful for me because I am working on putting together a communication strategic communications plan that would outline basically everything that I do in my job to that like very fine detail of, you know, when do we post on social media? How do we post on social media? Like what language are we using to post on social media? And so like a calendar of days, it would be would be like a wonderful addition, I think, to that plan. And this is again, it's like if the strategic plan is going to take, you know, several months to include, but that's OK, because that's, you know, that's just the nature of the work is we're building on something that didn't exist before because this communication or this position is so new. I would think that's a place that C. Jack could be supportive as we're doing that. So sorry, Michael, absolutely. That's OK. I went online and I found three there are a whole bunch of sources on National Holiday Recognition Celebrations. And I found three. I thought I wasn't sure if I had sent it around to the committee, but I can do that and include you, Evelyn. And then, yeah, a degree. And, you know, it is true that just about every month has something. And and and that and the question really is. Which of those some things does the city actually recognize and in other ways than just having giving city employees a day off? Exactly. And what does recognition mean really? The and I said this was some caution, but I'll say it anyway. The issue about the St. Patrick's Day, that was not really an official. You know, it wasn't any official recognition. It was the the building, the. Which are not buildings and grounds, what we call public department of public works had a lunch at their at their garage and they invited city council members and stuff like that. So I don't and I understand I understand that it was a sensitive issue. Nonetheless, because they were city workers, but that that was not a city a city recognition. It was one, you know, one department holding a. A kind of internal celebration. And I really don't mean to dismiss it because I think, you know, the question was, well, why did that? Why did it go out just city council members and why that day and things like that? So I think there's a problem about what we mean by a recognition and a celebration that needs to be defined pretty clearly if we're as we move forward here. I think Juneteenth is a perfect example of something that could be worked on because although it is now recognized as a holiday, there's no education really around like what that is. And I think particularly in a state that is this white, there might need to be some sort of just acknowledging what it is type of thing. So it's not just like, great, a new day off, but I would love to see something like that. The city doesn't get it off to notice a federal holiday. Yeah. Yeah, and just like that, you know, we want to make sure that everyone feels welcome to set like to publicly celebrate their cultural holidays and in a predominantly white city and a predominantly white staff, that's going to mean some holidays are more feel more welcome to be celebrated than others and want to make sure that it's not like appropriating other holiday, like the city is not appropriating other holidays and recognizing and like doing a celebration without people from that community being centered in the decision making around that celebration and that process. So yes, it's this is why we I just feel I have so many conflicting feelings about this project. And I'm like, right. It was like raises like this is a question and like this with a lot of curiosity. And I think I've been really trying to still be struggling on figuring out what that means. I also one of my to-dos coming out of our last meeting was to reach out to Gary, the government alliance on racial equity or something like that. And I reached out twice and haven't heard anything back. And so but they're run by a broader organization. I think Color Alliance is what it's called, something like that. And so they don't have many materials on their website about holidays and celebrations. And when I reached out, I didn't hear back. So that's kind of why we've been more focused on communications, planning and strategic communications. And so it seems like that'd be a great partnership here. Evelyn, is there anything else that we can do to celebrate the communications piece? And then is there anything else that we want to prioritize for cities, all versions of communications? Yeah, one of the things kind of on my back, the back burner, just because I haven't had time to work on it is and this. So the city a few years ago, the city did a survey basically asking people how they get their information and what channels do they do they prefer to get their information? And so kind of revisiting that since our technology and communications changed so frequently, revisiting that is something that I would be interested in as well, just to make sure that our communication is effective because it's it's all well and good to have stuff on a website. But if people don't visit the website regularly, they're not going to know how to get it. So kind of like even just gathering anecdotal information at this point would be helpful, but we could also look into doing another smaller survey because we do have a right now our contract still includes the poll co platform that you might have been seeing as different surveys come and go like we used it for Country Club Road several times. So in the the big push that I'm working on right now is to is and you'll see this in today's edition of the message in Montpelier in the article in the bridge is basically all about making sure that we're living up to our commitment to effective communication as outlined in the strategic plan. So yeah, so that could also be something that that this committee works on or consults with. Yeah. And so are you looking at doing a poll co like survey update or not quite yet? But I know it's not quite yet. We kind of, yeah, like if we if we kind of move forward more a little bit on this and realize, yes, like that would be a great thing to do, then then totally. Cool. But open to other points as well. Dovetay is really, really nicely with the next point here, which is communicating the city's equity work to the community. And this was something that I had been kind of on our back for like or a bit on our strategic plan and then just got raised up last meeting as well. And so I think I'm very, very intertwined. But yeah, just figuring out how people in the city hear about the city's work and then yeah, how what does that mean for how we celebrate and recognize days and communities? And then also, how do we communicate the city's equity work? So what is what everybody thoughts on that? That's I have not planned any report back here. This is kind of an initial conversation. Well, we have Tom McCollum, who is a periodically writes a letter, writes an article for the bridge for about us. And excuse me. He's probably the best, the best advertiser, we, you know, the best communication source that we have because he's really interested in it. I don't know what else we you you're thinking about. Sheena, I think to promote this committee is what you're saying. Well, I think it's promoting the city's work. Sorry, what are we doing and what's being done in in the area of social equity? I don't think we want to be we want to be think people thinking that we're promoting ourselves. But but I think it's important to see, you know, to get to get the word out that there are people paying attention to it. And there are some things that have been done. Much to do, of course, but. Yeah, I think that's a great idea to have this out there. And it seems like a lot of people just wouldn't know what's what they're doing around this work. So I think letting people know is a great idea. Yeah, and even just like with this stipend, which we'll be talking about more later, it's like we budgeted 30 times more than we've actually spent on that, you know, and so just like we could we could be doing a lot more there. Well, I see that there are signs up on City Hall about it. And and as well as recruiting signs on the front front door of City Hall anyway. I haven't gone in the back door recently, but so and I think that there are other places where I've seen, you know, notices that vacancies are there are vacancies on city committees. I haven't seen very much about the stipend part, but I don't know how that one gets. Well, that's that's included in the application. Not yet. So that's what we were suggesting. Yeah. So if anybody if anybody is interested, you know, gets it up, pulls up an application they they don't already know, then they'll find out about the stipend project. And I don't know how better what else we can do on that. But I mean, I'm just thinking like more city council engagement around it, like posting on front porch forum or I know they I think they have a Facebook page, things like that. Maybe they have a Twitter account. I don't know. We have put in notices in front porch forum about the stipend program when it was first passed when the first pass we did. I don't know if we've done since then. Yeah, we did something like before, you know, in like. In June of last year, I want to say, and then after the July start of the project. Um. But yeah, I don't know. I think it has been several months since we posted anything. And then, yeah, social media, front porch forum articles written in the bridge and have city council talk about it, you know, have work that had to be recorded on work. But like, yeah, those types of things. But I think kind of is what we're talking about of like how to how do people know about what's happening in the city? Also, like, yeah, are there. To use my craft business words, like thought leaders, like influencers in the community who can, like, get the word out about it and stuff. Um, I know, right, like we used can for a while. And I know the city's had this weird or has like a funky relationship with can I don't know where that stands now, but like, is there more happening with that, like that was thought to be kind of this place of like, you're the people in these different neighborhoods. It's like, we talked to their neighbors, but yeah, I don't know if there's any and where that stands. Yeah, unfortunately, the leadership of can transitioned last fall and it kind of made an abrupt halt to that program, which is really unfortunate because that was exactly like we were hoping that that exactly would serve that purpose where you'd have people in the community in like neighbor, like local neighborhoods where people trusted folks to deliver and share messages and information. I'm basically what is happening now is, is I'm doing my best to absorb and help create those new structures in the meantime. I think just repetitive posting too, like there's so many front porch forums that you get. So even sending it like once, twice a month or once a month or just kind of make a plan for just scheduling emails to send to front porch forum to send out to different places, right? Just like setting it up ahead of time. This little communications campaign, those are, those are actually, I really enjoy working on those two because those are usually it's they're, they're very focused and it's for a specific issue for a specific like time timeline. So I think we're talking now about like stipends, but right, but this could be used for, yeah, I mean, like making a plan and then being able to use that. Um, anyone wants to take on, you know, Keystone's campaign for stipend outreach, because if not, like incredible thing together. So you mean we are the ones posting about this? Good question. I don't answer a role, but yeah, good, good question. Or is that the city's responsibility, Evelyn? I would say it's both. Um, it definitely can be amplified through the city, but it's also great to hear from, like, from actual, like people involved in the committee. And even if it's the same, um, like, like a, like a copied and paste, uh, message that would be tweaked slightly, I think it's, it's great to have it come from as many people as possible and organizations as possible. Yeah, I'm happy to, to post things like that on like the Facebook friends of Montpelier schools, pages and events pages and things like that. I just don't want to write it. I'd be happy to, uh, to help draft. Yes, send me something and I am happy to put it on front porch forum and all of the, all of the places. We have some draft copy from last year too. Yeah. So that we can work off of that to you, Ellen. Right. I was thinking we were, that's really what we were doing. We're not, we were not rewriting it every time we posted it last year. Yeah. I don't know if anybody kept that. I, I did it a few times. I don't remember and probably did not keep copies for my own use, but we made a plan for outreach. Like everyone on the committee, I think, yeah, there was four or five of us at that point, like real, you know, did claim a week and, and push it out there. So yeah, I think we did do some good work on that. But didn't see the impact that we thought it would have. And so back to the question about how do people in the city get their communications from the city, you know, do we want to run a survey or just ask around and gather anecdotal evidence or what's the next step for that? I'm sharing stipends and for just like sharing general other equity stuff, right? Like knowing how people in the city hear about stuff from the city feels important. I think it'd be nice to have like a set of five questions or something and you, you could even put that as a survey in the posts that we're posting, looking for people. Because I think it's important to know exactly what we are working on when we're recruiting people and what they know so they can know exactly what if they want to do it or not. Yeah. And so what do we like we want to post it in different places and then to say like, what are the sources that you use to get your information and then where do you get information from the city? Are those kind of like the two major buckets of questions? Yeah, that's where I would start. And then we could also like one of the questions could be out of like the using the the foundation of the channels that we have now, like we can ask which one people use most frequently and then so we could kind of gauge like I know like Facebook was really popular for a while and now the engagement has dropped off quite precipitously. Front Porch Farm is definitely where like that a lot of the engagement is. But again, it also it's only reaching people that are on Front Porch Farm and it's active as it is. There's still a decent chunk of the population that isn't that isn't using it. So I can work on that as well as putting together a few a few questions and then sending it back to this group for for feedback and review and editing. Will you email that or? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just yeah, is that and then posting that around and then seeing what the results are. Yeah. I'm I did find my text for the committee stipends announcements for Front Porch Farm so I can send it off to you, Caitlin. Thank you. Thanks so much. And to Evelyn, you want a copy of it too or? That would be fantastic. Yes, please. Okay. All right. Well, it sounds like we are next step. So that Michael will share the draft copy with Evelyn and and Caitlin. And Evelyn will pull together some questions, share with us group for feedback. Caitlin will review the police advisory and the other reports and just like there were more in my notes, but I don't have them here. Yeah. And then Evelyn will be asking for updates from Kelly on the city committee application and on the stipend and on the city budget. Anything else? And then we'll all just stay in touch about the company club road. I think there was something in the notes that I took the last time, which laid out some other things that we were supposed to be thinking about. Let me see if I can find that that document. Um, we are, we're, aren't we supposed to be submitting a request for continuing the pilot, the stipend project to city council pretty soon because there's because they're doing their budget, budget planning. I think that happens. I think that it was five thousand nine hundred dollars for FY 24. Oh, OK. Yeah, I think I missed that. All right. Well, is that when did the when does the budget happen? Yeah, so I don't think we participated in it. I think that just happened with like Helen and Lauren and like our, our, yeah. So the big, the planning, the budget planning and preparing happened last late fall, early winter. And then it was just approved back in January and then it went to them to the voters in March. But yeah, you're right, Michael, we're going to present to the city council on. stipend participation. Well, because we haven't gotten the data from Kelly. Yeah, no, yeah. OK, next agenda stipend. Oopsies, sorry. And to present on. So next meeting, we will do with a stipend participation from Kelly and to present to the council on. We will talk about communication survey. Also, Carol, Carol had made a specific question, specific request that I put it into the notes as an addition. Carol requested that committee stipend policy language to include the CJC volunteers, not the staff of the volunteers. Yeah, we have some other questions on that, too, right? And like if she can use it for if the city can use it for other types of city committee participation, like one off participation. And so, right, that Kelly was saying that needed to go back to city council. But because we were also trying to see if we can use it to get people to go to the hearings on the Oaks project. Yeah. Yeah, just one observation that I have made from the CJC restorative justice committee, too. I don't know if this is something that I should even like bring to hear, but we need younger people. And by younger, I mean 50 and below on that panel. So having the stipends there might be amazing. We really need to recruit younger people. So I don't know if that's something that we could promote or if that's separate. Can I add that into our agenda for next time for talking about this city recruitment and procedures? Yeah. What's this? Oh, one other thing and that is I did attend the the declaration of inclusion celebration. I guess that was that was the last time we talked was before that happened. Wow. And what they're focusing on now is obviously implemented. They got they got more. They're way they they're way over their hundred goal for that celebration, but they're still they're still working on other communities, but they wanted they really want to know how worse we're advertising the fact that we have a declaration. We have submitted a declaration of an amendment or passed a declaration of inclusion. And so that's part of the communications you know, problem, I guess, you know, does anyone know that we that we the city passed that draft? And what does it mean? What what else are we going to do about with it? What are we going to do with it? I guess this is one question. So what we make this declaration? Right. You remind me of when that when that took place. It was in May, May 5th. May 10th. Sorry. Yeah, they may have what to do about it. That we just haven't. Yeah, engage with that significantly. Oh my God. I guess they were they were hoping that we were able to do that. Yeah. I mean, the number of committees that city town with committees reported, you know, they've put it in their newspapers. They put it at city offices. They put copies at the library and things like that. Just post, put it up. And and have it there. I mean, it's a step. Yeah. It is. Yeah. But and is there community communications that we can do. Get it out there and why? I guess too. Right. I feel like that was always the question is like, we're doing this because we're part of this statewide movement. Now the statewide launch has happened. So now why? It also turns out that there are some, the Vermont Community Foundation has opened a new grant category, equity grants to towns to implement equality. Equality. Programs up to 10,000 dollars. So if we, if we have a plan for something, we might contact the the Vermont Community Fund for funding it. Funding part of it. I think we got funding from them for a much, much smaller projects back in like 2019, 2020 for when we did the RFP. When we were just trying to get some more funds for high school. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, we've had a lot of things for a long time. So that's fine. I'm just, I'm hiring. I can look back at my notes and see if there's enough, you know, where that stands. But. Well, I'm just saying is if, if there's a. Yeah, if there's a project. If there's a project already starting up or in the planning division. This would be a way to. Get it, give it a boot. A start up fund. And I assume it's some kind of matching grant, but at least get some more information about it. And that can be done probably by going to their website, which I have not yet done, but this piece of paper keeps, periodically, rises to the top of my file and then gets sunk down again. You know, it gets covered up again. I play that game, too. Yeah. Ebtide is wonderful. It reveals some of the stuff that's going on my desk. Okay. All right. All right. I do think I have to hop because I do have another meeting in just a minute here, but our next meeting is trying to find when that is July 20th, July 12th, if that works for folks this time. Yes, July 12th. Yep. Amazing. See you then and I'll send these out next Friday, does that make sense? That's good. Shayna, could you send me a copy of your notes so that I can fill in my blanks and my note-taking? Thank you so much for taking notes, Michael. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you all. Thank you so much. Be safe. Thanks. Bye. Thanks, Michael. You too. Bye-bye. Bye, bye. See you later. Bye. See you. Take care, too. See you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. See you later. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Bye-bye. Bye, bye. Bye. Bye. Bye-bye. Bye, bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.