 So, yeah, welcome. For those who don't know me, my name is Beth Lorimer and the ecological justice program coordinator at Kairos Canada, and I'll be the host and facilitator of tonight's discussion. I thank you all for being here for taking the time out of your busy schedules to be in community on this conversation. And for those who are going to share, thank you for preparing some reflections to share with the group tonight. I'm going to begin with a land acknowledgement and this land acknowledgement. I give credit and gratitude to my colleague Connor Sarazan who wrote it. And I'll show that now. I would like to acknowledge that we are meeting today on the traditional territories of the indigenous people across Turtle Island. We thank them for allowing us to meet and learn together on their territories. To the original caretakers of this land on which we stand. We acknowledge the land of the Huron-Wendat, Seneca, Petun and the Mississaugas of the Credit Indigenous Peoples where I am right now. To all that was here for thousands of years before us across Turtle Island, we honor the struggles and the lives of those who gave themselves for it. For those here today we acknowledge the ancestors beneath our feet, we acknowledge the land. Our ears to the ground we can hear them, the Cree, the Métis, the Dene, the Soto and Anishinaabe, the Dakota and Lakota nations, the Inuit, the Blackfoot, the Inu and all nations that came before us and those yet to come. An infinity of footsteps of those who wrong called this land home, the unfolding of bundles, the undoing of colonization, and the opening of this land to allow treaty to come alive. We affirm our relationship to each other and to the land. We acknowledge and pay respects to the indigenous nations and ancestors of this land. And I thought to start us off, this is a nice small group and I may get in a moment. Well, I think I will leave the introductions in the chat and that way when people, maybe when people speak up later, they can just say who they are as they speak. But I thought just as a time of kind of community and bringing us together and maybe shedding whatever we were doing today, kind of leaving that and entering this room together that we could start with a brief meditation. And I'm bringing this meditation to you. It's part of a new resource, contemplative resource that was developed by for the love of creation. Developed by a young woman called Anna Bigland Pritchard called creation care as self care. And this is an audio meditation file that she created for us but I'm going to just to just read it and share it with you with you now. And it's just a kind of brief prayerful mindfulness exercise that's inspired by the wisdom and interconnectedness of trees. And it's to bring us all into deeper awareness of our bodies, spirits and connection to one another. So I invite you to find yourself, you know, sitting with your feet. Or another body part feeling kind of connected to the ground of the form and you can close your eyes or focus on something in your room or outside your window. Imagine roots growing from your feet down through any floors of your building down into the deep ground and reaching out to connect to the precious roots of everyone else here today. We may seem to be disconnected physically, but we are in fact still together and connected in our spirits. Remember that roots send and receive nourishing nutrients. What do your roots need today. What nutrients can you offer. Feeling yourself rooted in love. I invite you to breathe in a slow, grateful sip of wonderful air. And find any pitch to resonate on. It can be the same note as mine if my voice doesn't crack. Or a different one. Just let that breath out. God be in my head and in my understanding. God be in my eyes and in my looking. God be in my mouth and in my speaking. God be in my heart and in my loving. May you fall upon us. May your healing grow with in us. May your beauty overwhelm us so that me may know your grace here on this land here on this acre of God's love. Amen. So thank you again for joining me in that brief moment of pause and for again for joining tonight. And this event is part of Kairos climate action month, which I hope you are all engaged and participating in already we're halfway through the month. So thank you to Kairos climate action month in 2019 to galvanize more awareness and action after the intergovernmental panel on climate changes 2018 reports, and other urgent UN special reports on the climate crisis, and wanting to bring a little bit more focused attention in our work to, to, to raising awareness, and it's the impacts of climate change on vulnerable communities, especially women and indigenous peoples. However, we've been sharing information on a topic related to climate change on the website with blogs, and with the goal of nurturing both personal gifts and motivating and inspiring daily practices for taking action for the climate. The month is centered on weekly themes and those weekly themes have been sharing supporting resources, videos, events, links to other partner organizations and their their reports and their resources as well. And we aim to throughout the month aim to highlight the work of Kairos member churches, future stories from our global partners, and showcase communities that are taking concrete steps to address the climate crisis. The reason for this gathering tonight is to do just that that last part to showcase local work that people in the Kairos network are taking to address climate change to to learn from one another and to hopefully uplift each other in this work. So, tonight we're going to first hear from some speakers, some kairos friends from across the country, who will share their work in local local climate campaigns and actions. And all these actions and campaigns are varied, and it is just a reflection of the fact that responding to climate change requires all hands on deck. All manner of skills and talents and resources and interests and connections. And we all have a goal to play based on what we can bring to the table so that I think that the various campaigns will hear from are just a testament to the diversity of things we need to bring to the table to address climate change. After we hear those reflections will take a few months to if there's any specific questions for the speakers who kind of share their reflections. And I think we're small enough group that if people have questions during presentations I could probably just drop them in the chat and hopefully people respond right away. We can work on responding to your questions. And then we'll move in just to a broader discussion with everyone gathered. And I have a few questions prepared for that but I welcome you to share insights from your own work at that point and offer any questions for this broader discussion to the larger group. And this is really a time for all of us to benefit from so I encourage you to engage in whatever way you find you can can lean on this group for your own learning. So, feel free to just ask me anything in the chat throughout that throughout the presentations and you can get to those during the discussion. So, we are first going to hear from some of our kairos friends across the country. I think I am going to start in the East. I was wondering if I should just do it randomly but then I thought a bit of order might be helpful for myself so I think we're going to start with with Marion that's alright. Marion is an Anglican church minister and was coordinator on break of coordinating the the diocesan environmental network for the Anglican diocese of Nova Scotia and PI and I'll let her I'll let her introduce more on that. Thanks. Actually, I'm still doing this I'm still in the coordinators coordinators position with what we call Dan the diocesan environment network. It's morphed over the past 10 years from being. The Bishop asked for a task force or task group but I thought oh yeah a bunch of meetings and get nothing done with people who don't really want to be at the meetings and burning up also feels to get to the meetings. So anyway we formed a network instead and one of my biggest problems. It's a great one is we have so many people joining and connecting with this network that that we have a hard time keeping up we have three coordinators now it's almost 10 years old. And so we'll have a 10th anniversary in the spring, but you know when I looked at the, it's so I have taken on a full time meant interim ministry project as well just to prevent boredom. And yeah, fun from is the experience with Dan, and in order to be able to build this vibrant ministry because I believe that this is the church in the 21st century. So what the, if I basis on your questions that it, you know the first question was what actions have we been involved in in the community, and we have taken a real cast your net wide approach to this. We've been involved in everything from fracking to deforestation to gold mining to fisheries to first nations fishery by default to you name it we've done a renewable energy. So in spite of the fact that my vision at the beginning, 10 years ago had been that this would be a group that would encompass all Anglicans is turned out to be mostly Anglicans, mostly from Nova Scotia PI, but we've been able to make connections with every almost environmental group in the diocese secular environmental group as well as connecting with international groups and national groups. So that sounds like a lot of work and it was. But it's more of a less focused and more community development kind of approach that has really paid off, because not only you see I'm wearing my shirt and collar tonight for a reason. This is eight seven eight years ago when the government held a fracking consultation on fracking. I went to that meeting of 350 people in Windsor Nova Scotia and the first question I was asked and asked a number of times is, are you lost. And they couldn't believe that the church was really interested in caring about creation and I speak about the church in the broadest sense I don't just refer to Anglicans. And so all of a sudden, we've got this great reputation and we've got such an incredible reputation now within the church groups, at least in the barra times that the church is now, you know, like it's kind of, it's reduced that suspicion of the church. And it's made the church relevant for people who aren't necessarily connected with the church at all. We've developed a sense of trust I remember walking behind a couple of people at a meeting with extinction rebellion because we have a great great relationship with extinction rebellion. Walking behind two people after lunch as we were headed back to the meeting and one said to the other oh go to the Anglicans they'll do anything for you. So we've developed, what are our goals has been to not we don't pick the actions we don't pick the issues. What we do is we broadly support all of the different groups within the region and beyond, and try to find ways of supporting them and if we still have an aspiration around the environment and we want to support that. And yeah you're right that they bring different gifts and talents and interests to the table. So we don't, we didn't just abandon Anglicans we are holding a symposium in the fall on on greeting churches, but it cut me off what I've spent my time here to I could go on for an hour. You know, when there's a demonstration they call on us. When there's any kind of a particular action of petition, like owls head there's a part that the government is going to sell to developers for golf courses. It's a beautiful piece of land that's very much natural habitat. And so we do what we can so we have a Facebook page that they can advertise through we have any e news that we they can, they can promote the issue through we can, we work our best to get Anglicans and others who are connected to about 600 and whatever people they are to sign on to petitions to attend demonstrations to develop and and we've developed real relationship again with those environmental groups so so some of our people, a lot of our people have no connection to the church other than this, but they've connected to us, because they, like I say can trust us and they know that we'll come through. What I'm trying to think what the other questions were strategies that's basically our strategy. And yes, there has been success because all the time people are connecting with our network and so on our Facebook page we don't have to come up with posts they do it for us. And so I just get to look all day to see how many different people have posted on our Facebook page. How many different people have asked us to do various things and actions. So we're getting from the Canadian food grains bank and some of their actions, church groups to, you know, and our one of our job is teaching, providing platforms for people who are experts on their issues so that they can talk about those issues and educate them about the Thursday evening thing every Thursday evening for this is like our four season or something by zoom, and we get people from Vancouver and beyond to come to these things. Everybody's welcome. And it's the idea is we can share information. So we share information on things like green burial. And also, you know, the fisheries deforestation, whatever those those hot issues are. And where do I feel hope I feel hope and every single person I encounter who cares about this planet. It's that simple, and I'm surrounded by them. And that's a miracle and a blessing. Anything else you'd like to know. No, I mean, I think that's, that's wonderful. Thanks, Marion. I'll maybe just ask if there's any immediate questions for Marion right now. I think you ended on a really nice note, Marion. So that's great. They asked me, they asked me to be the last speaker during the Paris conference during a demonstration in Halifax, and they called because they said, you're a priest. You should be able to deliver a message. Hope we don't want people paralyzed, demoralized. We want people to leave with hope and feel energized in action. And so it really was a lesson for me and the type of ministry that the environment network involved itself in. Thank you for that larger lesson for all of us, I think, and that to those people of faith. And Janet, you had a question. Hi, Marion, and others. I'm just, I'm interested about your Thursday evening event on on zoom. And is that something that you just started over this past year and a half or had you been doing it before. Okay, so you're just doing it and I'm wondering if there's any kind of format or agenda to it, other than the teaching part like do you perform any other kind what's the, the structure for the time together. One of the big things about the environment network is our lack of structure we really try hard not to have any. And so that's why we're open to all of the diverse things that happen. And a lot of them are one of the stars of the show is the Thursday evening sessions. And so what we do is we try to make them the Nova Scotia environmental network called some coffee houses they have the same format just happened that way. But we have a guest who comes and gets the first round of speaking like I did tonight, and then it's not followed up by q&a it's followed up by a conversation, you know we try our best people slip into the whole q&a highly structured thing and that's okay if they do and that's fine. They can have they can bring a PowerPoint they can bring a video they can bring anything they want to it this is like I said we started yes we started with pandemic, like everything else we had to like immediately be able to adapt to technology because of not being able to see the world and it's been an incredible blessing for us. But yeah so we just kind of pick people to come like we have Simon chambers from action by churches together coming this Thursday to talk about the conference Ned Merle and to talk about acts involvement in this last, like who did we have last week. We had a man in the region who has written a book what really counts he's an economist who looks at economy in a very different way from the you know the capitalistic society, kind of economy. And so we and we had one who talked about blue whale poo and the importance of blue whales. So, and so we get a we try to make topics interesting engaging we have First Nations people come and talk about the wisdom of caring for creation. And, and so we vary the topics and but we try to keep it as casual as possible Janet, and everybody's welcome. And I get it sounds interesting and I gather somebody's a host though right. Yeah, Nancy Blair who also is a specialist in ecological grief and a coordinator for the environment network is generally the host and I do a very short reflection that's very faith based at the beginning, but it ties into whatever the subject to the day is. Thanks. Okay, well I think I'm going to pass it on to our next speaker to keep things rolling. And so now we're going to move westward and Brian Macintosh is going to speak next. Brian is a member of Kairos West Toronto, or Toronto West, you think is how we are supposed to. And I'll let him take it away. Great, thank you. Mary, it's great to hear that the church is turned to for a message of hope. That's fantastic. Given the relationship to me. I would like to present Kairos Toronto West, we've been a group that's been together for a long, long time. A little bit of a dwindling membership but having said that we've been rejuvenated in the last couple of years with tourists being new members, including a new chair person. We've been together for a while and so on others moved away or got frail as they move over. But we have a young dynamic chair now and she's rejuvenated the group a little bit inspired by the for the love of creation campaign and materials they wanted to do a local workshop we do. Non COVID times we've been doing two workshops a year and we get 70 or 80 people attending on a regular basis in the spring and fall, and on various topics, obviously related to Kairos work but we wanted to try to do a workshop after a bit of a hiatus during the early parts of COVID and this past spring we plan to try to do one and despite the challenges we formed a small planning group. And we have the brainstorm to try to reach out to other local environmental activists climate change activists because beyond the church we want to reach the public. And sort of a more general audience and just church folks. And so we, I got to know a little bit local transform to volunteer, who is our topical board to climate champion here in a topical this is with the city of Toronto that major major campaign that they're putting a lot of emphasis on over the next number of years. And we met him in early 2021 and with him and some others that he brought in and then some other people that I knew in our local community reform together a climate action group, which was the first of its kind and central topical so this. I'm going to tell you from here on out isn't just about Kairos Toronto West but is about this topical climate action group. We had a few meetings and formed a group that was going to work on the workshop for which Susan James was the main leader. And she's a former Kairos volunteer and staff was actually in the national office so we're gifted with her presence. We planned and delivered an educational event on zoom on June the third about 50 people attended, which was decent wasn't great. It was decent. And it was certainly well worth it with the feedback we got from the attendees. The attendees included many of our usual suspects who would come to our non over workshops and non zoom in person workshops. We gave a little bit of ground in the planning because it was a partnership with a number of other people and organizations and not just a face. We gave a little bit of ground on wanting to use some of the Kairos learning material from those three excellent for the level creation workshops and much of the material though within those workshop was still used to one degree or another. And this was the first of what we plan to be a number of workshops over time so the workshop was called transform it over and the focus was on local solutions and finding local solutions. We included sort of five parts to it a general overview on the climate crisis called challenge choice and change by Lynn Adamson, delivered by Lynn Adamson of climate fast. Some of you might know then an introduction secondly to transform to you and what the city is trying to achieve that program. This is by the champion for our word Brian McClain, the third part of green home retrofit presentation by a local energy expert who has completely converted his urban home. Bob Baches his name is working the energy sector, and has actually been a consultant to the Ontario government really knows his stuff. He converted his own home to about 15 or 20% of what the energy that he was consuming prior to the conversion. And it's all solar and so on so many many different things I can't describe the office I'm not the expert but fantastic hearing from him. And then we had a discussion on waste reduction from a local Rotarian who was also a waste management company owner called clean farms is the executive director very reason. He was using red fest as an example. Some of you might know about red fest across the country. And they generate tremendous amounts of waste over a week, a week and a period, and they reduced it by about 75% under his direction, and when they last ran it in person for three years or two years. So he talked about that and then lastly a brief presentation on art for the planet, a program of a local art center near my church by Carol Essex. We benefited for this workshop from the expertise of a local technical activist who is a staff person for lead now. Well, if you know Tim Ellis, but he's a wonderful guy. And he was our technical expert and our chair Jen heard of the Kairos Toronto West Group and myself introduced the whole workshop. And then Brian McLean of transform to kind of hosted most of the workshop included breakout rooms a Q&A and so on a close which foreshadowed the formation of an even wider. A typical complete a typical wide climate action group so we now have a typical climate action group that it's got like a membership of. I think there's 80 people on the list or something that's growing all the time, and a lead group of the 10 or 12 on myself included that kind of guide the work of this new group. Another thing we did just recently was the, the hosting of a leaders candidates all candidates debate on the environment that was hosted by that group. This last Friday, last Friday, and we had four of the five candidates and service don't seem to be showing up and any of the writings for candidates meetings but we didn't have that but we had the other four. And it was really, really good. And about 150 people attended that which was great. And we have a plan, as I said to continue with the, with the other workshops we want to do, kind of building one on each other and trying to gain more of an audience. Trying to establish some local momentum for local solutions. This is our emphasis. And we'll be meeting on Monday, I along with a couple of others from the total for climate action group are meeting with our two local city counselors to talk about the transform to program. And also to introduce ourselves to them and let them know that we're watching them. And that we're expecting action on the climate. So, you know, where do we gain hope I think that there's interesting that we formed this partnership, you know, hope it's been a big challenge, all of us. And we're not all that technologically adept but Tim led us through and we did a nice job with that workshop, we want to do more. But the development of partnerships I think was the key factor in the success, not only for this workshop. And it enabled us to envision working on climate change for the sustainable future, not just by a few of us, but by more and more of us in our local area. In fact, I'm missing in a total for climate action meeting tonight to be with you to give this little presentation. I think partnerships, the development of partnerships provides the kind of energy and boost that you need. When you begin to despair about any action being taken on a consistent level by our leaders. There's many, many people out there beyond the church, but we also are glad to see that the church is committed and involved. As Marion said I think that provides a kind of here in the community that maybe we wouldn't have had otherwise. And I think that those partnerships are really key to building the momentum we need, especially in a big city like Toronto to be able to lobby. For the work that we need to get done. And it helps us avoid despair obviously to connect with each other. Lastly, I just say success is hard to measure. But feedback was positive and encouragement is wonderful. And we've made lots of connections with lots of people. As I said a growing membership in this group. I Ross is alive and well and looking forward to doing more on this, just like the reaction. I know I'd happy to. That's enough. And I'd be happy to hear any comments. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. And yeah, I'll take a question. I just wanted to note first, or just to send you some, some courage for your meeting with counselors. Other people on this call may not know that the two counselors he's referring to are ones that are not open to talking about climate change normally. It was a few that voted against the fossil fuel proliferation in the city of Toronto. But interestingly enough, I have a long time relationship with Stephen holiday, who's my counselor. And he's very supportive of a few other social justice things right he's a fiscal conservative, but he cares about people. Whether he cares enough to change his human on the environment remains to be seen but I'm hopeful that are knowing one another might begin to sway him when he knows that I care about this as well. We'll see. Yeah. Well, thank you for those those efforts to connect those conversations are important. Mary and did you have a question. Yeah, I was trying to decide whether or not I should ask it or just type it, but Brian, I really picked up on the art thing because then has what we call the hope and inspiration gallery of the arts. And so I'm thinking that it would be really nice to have a conversation with you one on one at some point about how we might be able to promote your artists, and perhaps we could raise you could reciprocate. But we could get a lot more exposure. And the whole idea is that if people fall in love with nature. Then they're going to care for it. Right. Right. I'd be happy to have that conversation after this. Yeah. The main person for that was a member of the local art art center who has been a longtime member there and cares deeply about the environment and became active on our group and she brought the idea for this part of the workshop is really good. I think I'll be with her and try to have a freeway. Oh, great. Sounds like a good idea. Wonderful. And that's great. I'll I'm going to keep things moving but if there's any other questions for Brian maybe just pop them in the chat and he can respond to them and we can always revisit some of those things that Brian talked about in our big discussion. So I'm going to now pass things over to Elizabeth style and john Lawson, who are with Cairo squelps Elizabeth is the local rep for Cairo squelps and and john is a united church minister and a member of Cairo squelps and I'll let them take it away. Well, I guess I could start. So we have two projects to report on, and maybe I'll start with the gas plant one because Brian just refer to it also builds on the theme of networking, which seems to be a common theme happening here. And it's just to give some context for, for, for people outside of Ontario the provincial liberals closing of all the Ontario's coal fired generation plants was completed in in 2014 and was, and maybe still is a single largest emissions reduction project in North America. And they did that liberal government also strongly encouraged renewable energy, but in 2018 the conservatives under Doug Ford were elected and immediately spent 230 million to cancel 750 provincially sponsored renewable energy projects including some that are almost completed. And they now plan an expansion of gas fired power plants, and these plans will cancel out a large part of the improvements from the coal plant closings. So the, and the severity of national natural gas emissions approaches that from coal because of production and transport admits a lot of math nothing. But then as Ontario's clean energy, their clean electricity gets dirty. It becomes much harder to reach the net zero through electrification. So that's the background. And so this undermines the ability of Ontario cities, including Guelph and all the other ones to reach their goal of net zero emissions by 2050. The group called the Ontario clean air alliance, which is an NGO that led the campaign for the coal plant closings. They work with local councillor NGO citizen allies to encourage cities council motions that urge the provincial government to phase out the gas plants by 2030. There's no alternatives. There's the, there's the cheap clean hydro from Quebec. There's, if we had a renewed push on renewable energy sources and then there's a huge potential for conservation because we waste, maybe about two thirds of the energies we consume. So over the years, Carl Scorsi has been involved with other climate actions and networks. So it's kind of built on some of the, some of the actions that that Brian and Marion of speaking about over the over the years so we were invited to meet with potential council to make sure all the points recovered at the council meeting and then an allied councillor brought forward the motion and then in my presentation to council we'd discussed how climate change undermines the city's vision of prosperity and and climate change for social justice and how the city's strategic plan includes an action to advocate for provincial regulation and federal for regulations and policies aimed at, at reducing carbon emissions. So that matches the motion. And each one of 12 delegations many were high school students and there were other NGOs involved in a climate action. And Jack Gibbons from the Ontario Clean Air Alliance told us that none of the other 10 municipalities to date, had any delegations other than him. And he also noted he code he'd never heard before so many uniformly excellent deputations to miss municipal council. So that was probably we had a sort of the strategy meeting beforehand and that probably helped us kind of spread. Make sure we covered all the bases. After a couple of hours of council discussion the motion was passed 11 to one. And since then many other municipal councils have passed similar movements including Toronto, again, most of them either unanimous or almost unanimous. So I think, as has been just has been discussed certainly the lessons involved the power of, of networking. I think another one, which maybe fits into the hope businesses is the inspiration that the youth bring. I think that really swayed swayed council, a lot. The stories and examples of hope for another source of hope I guess but that, that maybe, maybe the coal plant closings was a form of that. Anyway, I guess I'll turn it over to john for the, for other project. Maybe other folks had questions for you Liz. I don't know. Well maybe what I'll do is present as well and, and then if there's questions for both of us. I'm happy to happy to respond. But what Liz is along amazing woman who has carried the torch for Kairos in wealth for many, many years so it feels a real privilege to be working with her on some of these things and we decided that we really like some of the love of creation material that was put out. So we thought well we've got to do something with this and, and lent seemed like a great time to have a kind of lent and journey so we, we did a three, a three evening zoom of course, we had a hallway says right now, a zoom presentation on each of the three from Climate and us building a better future and concern from concern to action. And I, I was really pleased we had basically, we took some liberties with the Kairos material, but we try to adapt it so that we had a section and not just the science in both cases. So, science around, obviously that the science of climate change, but also some of the psychological issues that that are part of that and the Kairos material also made reference to that. And, and finally, you know what are some signal signals of hope as that as the final one. So those were, that was the science part but we also wanted to have a theological part so thinking of it as a lent and journey. Some of the understandings of how our understandings of God, for example, have broadened and changed to allow us to think in new ways in relationship to the climate and to the creation as a whole. So, I was really pleased with how it went and I think this was as well and she presented the science part I did the theological reflection, but we wanted to bake in each time that there was a lot of time for conversation. Not just on the details but on how people were feeling. And, and I think we did that we had around a dozen few here above and below that on our nights and that went really well. And following up on that we thought well we, we got to do some more of this. And we decided to put together a single night event so we try to collapse all this. into one session and we did that for Earth Day as well as World Environment Day. And so we probably wasn't quite as successful I think we tried to talk too much, and we didn't have the conversation that we had in the first one, but nonetheless, we're, we're, we want to see if we can spread this word a little broader and it's really inspiring from, from Brian and Marion that, you know, the partnerships and expanding that dialogue so that's a wonderful challenge for us. We're thinking about doing something on YouTube where we have this where we could package it and offer it to people. In one session, let's see a church group or whatever could just use and we'll have a little pauses so that it could be used as a resource anywhere across the country. So we're working on that now that's our next, our next step but it's inspiring to hear what others are doing as well. Oh, right, we had, we had some learnings. Sorry, I've written a few notes here and I realized I had forgotten to put these learnings in, which I think are important. We were amazed that how important of the science, getting the science to people is like, I was surprised that many people didn't have a very comprehensive view of the science. And, and Liz presented so well on that using again some slides and PowerPoint that I think were really, really effective in doing some really foundational education. The conversation time was really important people wanted to talk and, and they did talk and that was wonderful. Also, I was as a minister I was really, really pleased that people wanted to talk about their faith in relationship to climate change, and where was God and all this and again that ties into the whole part of what we've already talked about this evening. And finally, one of the learnings was that so nice we didn't have we had too long intros at the beginning of people introducing themselves and then not sort of skewed off a little bit. So it meant that we had to scramble a little bit so it was good to meet and get to know people along the way rather than at the beginning so that was just a very practical kind of learning that we that we made out of our time. But that's, that's what I have. Okay, thank you john and thank you. Yeah, both those are just really nice complimentary pieces of work that you've both been working on so thank you for sharing. Any questions. Maybe when we get this YouTube video on. We can maybe share it with this group. Yes, I don't know. Yeah, of course yeah I can I can certainly circulate that you happy to. Wonderful okay well I think we'll, we'll keep moving and we have two more speakers to hear from and then we'll open up and just to a two a broader discussion so I'm now going to pass things over to Laura Stewart, and Laura is a member of Kairos Regina and she is on the United Church of Canada climate advisory body, and I'll pass it over to you Laura. Thanks, Beth, I'm going to just pull up my notes here and pretend that I'm looking at you and I'm actually looking at my.