 We have to ask ourselves in what society are we living today? What are the organizing principles of society? Are they principles that lead to dignity or that lead to the destruction of dignity? I personally believe that today We don't live in a society that Who's organizing principle is dignity. I think the organizing principle of a society is money That's that's that's the reality of this society I don't I don't think in any way we are we have a society that is focused on money. I take I take I take issue No, I don't No, because money ultimately relates to why do we why do people want money because money is a tool and it's a tool to provide Opportunity and volition having money gives you the opportunity to exercise your volition and in that sense money is it's not a fetish It's not a God it's not anything else It is simply a tool and those who have more money have more opportunities have more opportunities to Exercise their their nature to do good to do evil to to exercise their volition And so and so therefore it is simply a reflection of everything else we're talking about It's not you're making the point that money dominates because you're making the point that the more money you have The more the more power you have you make the point that money is really the structuring The structuring force in that society money in that sense is a tool and government is a tool and religion is a tool And if you use those tools money government power religion whatever to deny people volition to deny people the interrelation of Humanists is then that is bad than that is For so many people it's not a tool. Yeah, but that's the problem if you don't if you have it It's a tool if you don't have it. It's a perpetual daily humiliation and a difficulty The kind of evil that keeps me awake at night is the more inhuman form of evil and that is a bit closer to your question When we create systems you mentioned algorithms that nobody understands. It's a bit of an exaggeration But I do think there is some truth for that We are good at creating formal systems if you wanted me to characterize modern civilization It is that it's a formal society We use formal rules to organize ourselves and this has an amazing scalability We can run much larger societies than ever before but the downside is of course it might mean that you don't need the human relations and Many of the scalable algorithm whether they are software or in robots or in the form of bureaucratic rules governing a government or a university Take a life on their own and then you get what? And a very good blogger and they're called a mollock from there In the gold who you had the child sacrifices to you set up something to give you value Whether that is a corporation or a government or a defense system And then it start growing and it starts destroying value You still need to join up with it because it forces you or because it's the best thing to do and before you know it You're working all the time and you don't have a time for those pleasures Capitalism was supposed to give you or the government that was supposed to save the nation Leads it straight into the abyss So I think these mollocks they are the real threat money is instrument Product of artificial intelligence are instruments They demonstrated that they can live to loads that the human person or these muscles cannot lift So these are instruments in the hands of the human person and the instruments become whatever they become In the hands of the human person the person who is using them He can use them for noble scopes and ants. He can use them for evil Whatever scopes on end. So money is an instrument But when the pursuit of acquiring this either to increase your ability to whatever type of thing Makes you subject everything to the acquisition of this instrument then something is gone already Then then then we get in and it's happened It's happened and in several other forms which contribute to some of the list your items on your list Human trafficking is to make money into to feed brothels to to feed You know all of those with people so people can have whatever so there are there are cases where Instruments take over and directed the pursuit and the aims of people in society and that is when Instruments cease to become instruments and they become the values the dominant values of people's lives And that's where sometimes we can be looking at evil. We're talking about evil and evil is a great word Right, it's got kind of a serpent's tail and teeth and it's terrifying It's worth remembering when evil came to came to kind of came of age as a word that it would have been being Talked about probably in Latin and there is no distinction in Latin between evil and bad So suddenly it becomes a more manageable concept Marlem They're both Marlem, which is incidentally also the Latin word for apple, which is why in the Garden of Eden They eat an apple. It's actually just a piece of fruit. They just like the pun But my point is is that While we would all hesitate do you do evil? No, I don't do evil. Do you do bad? Well and I actually think it's an easier discussion almost to think of the bad you do and The and the ways in which you do bad rather than evil and then suddenly you can see that With these many many clicks that we do when we buy something from Amazon and and Supporter support an industry in which workers have no rights that these are the evils these tiny tiny tiny Incremental dying by a thousand cuts rather than evil that we do today is not Evil sounds like me standing up from this chair taking a sword and chopping someone's head off