 for those who cook, we present a drawer. Not just any drawer. A drawer with... Good morning, Lisa. Hey. I had trouble getting on live this morning. That was weird. I kept getting a strange error message. I'm not sure what was up with that. How are you this morning? So we're going to do a... We're going to go back to working in the watercolor journal and I'm going to do a two-part painting, I think of a... I think we're going to do a little bird, like a little sparrow type bird. I'm going to use a couple of different brands of paint this morning, side by side. We're going to use the Daylor Rowney little pocket kit. Oops. That we have the aquafine student. I think they're the student watercolors and then we're going to use the Prima, which should be comparable types of paint to each other. Yeah, we're having trouble focusing. Like this morning is just not... Okay, it's just because there's nothing here for it to focus on. There we go. We'll put this here. I don't know about you guys, but that's annoying me going in and out like that. We'll leave this here. Maybe that'll help. There's a delay in the video footage compared to what I'm seeing, so I am just waiting to see if that helped moving the watercolor box over. Yeah, so there's just too much white space for the camera. All right, so I have my two Utrecht brushes, which I'm really enjoying using. These are the Utrecht brand 6150 round brushes, a number six and a number eight. These are the Utrecht as part of Dick Blick, and these are their generic store brand watercolor brushes. I'm really enjoying using them. Recently, when I was out running Aaron's, I stopped by Aaron Brothers Art and Framing, which is owned by Michaels. It's not only not worldwide, but I don't think it's nationwide, but anyway, they do have fine art supplies there. Hey, and they had their buy one brush, get one for a penny sale. Aaron Brothers, like Michaels, has coupons all the time. They're owned by Michaels, so they run a similar type of ads, but also unlike Michaels, Aaron Brothers frequently has paint brushes and stuff like that on sale, like they have penny sales. So they have, of course, penny sales on their frames, and that's what they're known for. But I love it when they have penny sales on their paint brushes. They have either buy one, get one for a penny, or buy one, get two for a penny. Sometimes they have that. So if you need new paint brushes, that's the way to stock up. And these are by Princeton, these are called Snap, and these are not an expensive paint brush. I have a Philbert number four here, and I have a little round number, what is it, two. So I thought we would try these this morning. These were inexpensive, they were $3.99 each regular price, and I got one for a penny. So that's, you know, I'm not, I'm not for spending tons of money on paint brushes because I'd rather spend it on other stuff. All right, we're gonna need a pen. Let's see, at least one. Let's draw some bird this morning. I do have my book off camera, my bird book open to a black throated sparrow. So we'll see, we'll draw our image first. I hope everybody's having a great day. I'm a little off this morning. I spent lots of time last night, I'll talk while I'm drawing, editing video for journaling Crazy Island Style because I wanted to get the editing done and get it all. The three lessons I filmed this week so far edited and loaded today. And I realized this morning that I did some editing wrong, I have to re-edit a bunch of video because the files are too big for the website. So yeah, there's that. So I'm just drawing a bunch of blue sketchy lines and I'm, you know, shapes. So whenever I'm doing any drawing, I just think of the shapes, the basic shapes, drawing what I see, not what I think I see. And it's good to have a reference photo. You can find, find reference photos for birds on like Pinterest. I like to get like Audubon Society books or those kind of field watching type books. They're great for just keeping around your art space for reference. Okay, that's pretty good for the basic shapes I think for our bird. Now I'm going to start putting in some details. I hope you've all had a great week so far. And Poet Spice, aren't you a teacher? How come you're home today? Is it spring break or something? Not that I'm not happy you're here, because you know I am, but I thought you worked at school, out of school. Just curious. Not that it's any of my business. So I'm just drawing in the different things I see on the bird from the bird book. And I don't actually, it's funny. I like to paint birds. I liked, I mean everywhere, a lot of places I go, I end up finding feathers. I'm not sure what's up with that. But in reality, I'm not a huge bird fan. I like watching them, but from a distance, because I always, you know, birds are messy. I don't know. I'm just odd. I know, I know that. So I'm just, now I'm just drawing in the different sketching in features, sketching in what I see. So here's the, here's the picture that I'm looking at. I'm sorry, you're having a lousy week, Lisa. That's too bad. So yes, we want to paint in some of our features, but okay. But we want a good drawing too. Now, we're going to draw a line. I'm going to avoid drawing it actually on the bird. But remember, this is kind of a study. We're doing these multi-part paintings to test out some of these paints, like I did here. This was four different brands to see which ones perform. I won't say better than others, but in a way, hey, Mary, in a way that we, I'm happier with than others. So, so far, I really like the brighter brands like Quar, Daniel Smith, Maymary Blue, Schmincke, Mission Gold. I like the brighter brands more than others. I mean, I really haven't met a watercolor paint I hate, but to be honest. But like the Holvine paints, this was done after the paint dried in the palette. I like them fresh out of the tube. I'm not so happy with the way they rewet. So, there's that. So, we're going to do the bird today. We're going to do, I think we're going to use the, like I said, the Daylar Rowney and the Prima. So, the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to take some of my lines for my bird. I think, Dina, if you subscribe to my channel, then it should show up in your news, in your news feed, in your subscription feed, when I always try to post something that I'm going to be going live at least an hour before. If I remember, I try to do it a couple of days before, and we'll talk about why I didn't do that lately. And then, yeah, make sure you turn notifications on. And thank you, Mary. So, I'm going to outline some of the features in Sharpie Pen. A pen that I know is going to dry and stay permanent. Not a lot of features, because I wanted to find my drawing with paint and not necessarily with pen. But I think you can add some notifications, Dina. Also, if you're in one of my Facebook groups, my group, or Crazy Island Family, or Kelly Donovan's group, or artsy endeavors, why can't I not think of Kelly Donovan's group name? I can't think of it right now. Maybe one of you all knows. I post something in those groups usually an hour or so before I go live. Okay, and then I'm going to write at the bottom here what the brand, which brand is where. Okay, the name of my group is called A Life of Art and Self-Expression, and I always post something there. I almost wrote that at the bottom here. I told you I'm off. So, how about Daler, Rowney, and then Prima. And we're going to do Daler, Rowney, and this is the Aquafine, which I believe is their student grade watercolor. I know, right? So, I've been frantically trying to get all of Dirtling Crazy Island Style done and filmed in the can, so to speak, for all of 2016. And I'm at a crunch time this week to get it all filmed, and then I'll spend the next few days editing, hence why I was doing some editing, and then had to re-edit. That way I can catch up on other things. Like, you know, I don't know, Start Lifebook, which I still haven't started yet. Hello, Ampex! Hey, how are you? Now, I'm adding a few lines in this pen. This is a Pilot Varsity Disposable Fountain Pen. I really like this pen. Yes, it will bleed. Yes, it's going to blend and smear even a bit with the watercolor paint, but it's going to add something interesting, I think. So, I'm going to add some of it to our bird here. Okay. Oh, thanks! I barely got started. So, this is my new favorite art supply, the Pilot Varsity Pen. It does come in colors. I like the black. I do have the colors somewhere. Wait. Here you go. So, they do have these at JetPens. I haven't tried any of the colors yet, but I love the black. And I love that they're disposable and you don't have to, like, mess with ink cartridges or anything. They're not permanent. It does bleed, but I like the fact that it bleeds. All right. Let's get some paint wet, shall we? Hey, Cheryl! Good afternoon! I hope you're having a better day than you've been having, honey. I'm going to spray all my paints. I'm doing it off camera. I do have all of the Prima watercolors, the ones that Prima did not send me. I bought. I am loving them, especially if you're just doing quick journal pages or greeting cards, things like that. I think they're a really great watercolor paint. They do claim to have some light fastness. How much? We don't know. We haven't gotten a straight answer out of anybody. My office, I don't know where to put stuff. My office is a mess. Let's see. All right. Let's put that there. That, I guess, will work. I don't know. I guess it'll work. Now, in this Daylar Roundy kit, we don't have a black, so we're going to have to, like, make a gray black color. I'm going to start with this small filbert brush, and I'm going to take some of the, this is Prussian blue. Then this bird is, you know, black and gray and a little brown. We don't have white either, so we're going to have to just make it work. Yeah, because I'm in the midst of all the filming for Journaling Crazy Island style and editing, I've got little piles of art supplies out everywhere on my desks, so that I remember what I used on what page, because I have to create PDF documents. It's my office is a giant mess. Okay, so that was red and blue, and now I'm going to add a yellow, and that should give me a neutral e-color. I chose the yellow ochre, which was okay. I'm going to add some of this other blue. You just kind of start mixing your primary colors together, and at some point you'll get a mixture that is a neutral tone that'll work for what you want, and there's no other way to do it except trial and error. There's no quick way. That's actually not a bad color. It's a little bit on the green side. Let's put a little more orange in it. See the only problem with some of these kits is I really miss having Payne's gray, because I know how to mix colors, but I'm not a huge fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's better. Let's get a piece of paper and try that. Let's see. It's a piece of just scrap paper. Yeah, that'll work. All right, so start light, work your way darker. Yeah, see, I'm just not a huge fan of mixing paint. The nice thing about the Daylor Rowney side is that we have that pen on here, and we don't have a black in the paint palette, but that ink is going to mix with our paint, and it's going to give us a dark color, the ink from the Pilot Pen. See like right there. There we go. Nice gray tones from the ink. No, you're not. You know, I always say to people, I'm the lazy crafter. I do not. If I can avoid mixing color, if there's a shortcut, I'm going to tell you guys because I don't like it any more than the rest of you. That's why I prefer a larger palette even when I travel. My palette usually has at least like 15 colors in it, because I don't want to mix violet. I don't want to mix teal, and I don't want to mix dark, panes gray or black. Yeah, exactly, Mary. You get the color right, and then you run out. A nice way to add more colors to your palette, especially if you're traveling, but also if you have a limited budget, is to use your other water soluble materials in conjunction with your watercolor paints. So, you know, why can't you use your pens that you know blend and smear, your watercolor markers, your crayons. Use them together. Why can't you? I have to remember not to do the whole bird and to just do the half of the bird, because see I'm chatting while I'm doing this. You notice I didn't get rid of the pencil lines or anything. I never do that. I let them help me define the shape that I want. Yeah, use it all, whatever you have. One thing, too, when you're painting anything with watercolor paint, you either you have two choices for your highlights. Leave white paper or go back later and add white, and you can do that with gouache, but you could also do that with a gel pen or a paint marker. I'm going to see if I can get something that's a little darker. Also, don't feel like when you go out and, you know, buy art supplies, don't do what I did. This is another reason for me doing this, you know, series and, you know, hopefully helping some of it, somebody out. Don't do like what I did when I first got into Mixmedia. I felt like I had to go out and have neocolor crayons, because that's what the teacher used, but then I also felt like I had to go out and have all the neocolor crayons. There are, there are subtleties. Some of them are, yeah, why won't they, Cheryl? So you should always test your pens, and the micron pens may work if they don't, if they're waterproof, they would work for the outlines you don't want to have move, and then the elegant writer would work for the ones that will move. Why won't they? So I have a slightly darker here color here. I'm going to go in and add some shadows. It's kind of a green, but again, we're going to have trouble getting our sparrow to be black because I don't have that color in the kit. And since I'm lazy, I'm having trouble not wanting to mix it. So test all your pens. You should test all your pens and see which ones will, what they'll, what each one will do. I would recommend doing something like we did with the product review swatch book and doing it with pens and pencils, whatever you have in your stash, and testing each one with water and without, with Gesso, over Gesso and without, and see what they will and won't do. And that way, when you are working on a painting and you want to add something to it, you know, by looking at your reference book, what product to pick. And thank you. I don't know. I'm just, I'm doing a chickadee. I'm, it's coming out a different color than the one in the picture, but that's fine because I, you know, like I said, I don't have the right colors. Thank you. So the other thing too is I'm a big fan of Jean Haynes and she does lots of animal paintings and she does not do them in their natural colors. She does them in, you know, purples and blues and, and there's no reason why you can't do that. And I love the idea of urban sketching, Mary. I have some books on, on that that I'm going to be studying up on. I'm grabbing just some Prussian blue FYI. We're going to Alaska and I want to be able to take some of my, I am taking some of my stuff with me and I want to be able to do some urban thing, urban sketching type things while we're there. So just because you, you're painting, you know, a bird that's, you know, you know, brown and black doesn't mean you can't use dark blues, purples, violets as your highlight and shadow colors. We're painting an impression of the bird. So we're, you know, we're not trying to copy the bird. And yeah, urban sketching in Alaska, I mean, you know, I don't know that there's too much better than that. So I'm looking forward to it. So a little bit of pigment and then some water. I'm not blending out all my marks, but I am blending some of them. I like these little study paintings and I like leaving all the pencil lines because it just it adds something that's interesting to the painting. That's pretty good, I think. That's the Daylor Rowney. I'm just catching up on the comments. Okay. So that's a Daylor Rowney. I'm going to set that aside for a minute. I'm not going to go too far with it because we might want to add more, but let's do this side. You notice I started to paint over here. Oops. All right. Here's the, this is the Prima. Now in the Prima, I have a lot more colors to choose from. My husband and I are going on a cruise to Alaska. We have to book our excursions. I'll be taking a lot of photographs for sure. We may be shooting some video because I'll be bringing the video camera, although I won't make any promises in that regard. And I will definitely be bringing a watercolor kit with me, the one I usually bring with me. When my husband and I got married, we wanted to go there for our honeymoon and we couldn't afford it. So it's our 25th wedding anniversary. So now we're going. Now with the Primas, I'm going to try to get, you know, a close color because the paint brands are different. I have different colors. They're not going to be an exact match. So we already know that. Also, I have this sneaking suspicion from working with the Primas and I do like them. Don't get me wrong. But they're, I think they're a little bit more opaque than what I'm used to as a watercolorist. Yeah. I can't wait. It's going to be so much fun. And yeah, the pen, I just finished a bunch of illustrations for a book when it is time to have it be published. I'll let you all know, but, and I did them mostly with the Pilot Varsity Pen and a wash from the ink from that pen. So I'm going to take this color in its darkest, purest form and put some of it on there. And then I'm going to come in with some water before it gets soaks into the paper too much and blend it out a bit. Now again, it's going to mix with the Pilot Pen. I'll be letting you all know, and it's going to be sort of a charity fundraiser, kind of a thing. It's for a special project. The author requested I do the drawings in black and white. So I did that mostly. So thankfully she liked them. And yeah, Mary, I'm sure you had a fun time with that scrapbook. I'll be posting a lot of pictures that you guys will be more than welcome to use for inspiration. I'll be taking as much photos as I can. Now up here, I already messed up because I went over, but I'm going to try to leave a line here so we can see the differentiation between the two paint brands. I am adding kind of a lot more water to the Prima than I seem to have to do with the De La Rowney and be a lot more careful about how much pigment I put where. I haven't done a proper scrapbook in years. I don't know about the rest of you, but I got into mixed media and then, you know, promptly forgot all about scrapbooking. Okay, so you can see right here where that ink from the pen is mixing with the paint and I'm getting this secondary color. That's great. I love it for our bird. I'm also able to pull some of that pigment out and moving around and it just adds another level of interesting things. Yeah, I got rid of a lot of scrapbooking things, but, you know, I still have some of the paper. Some of the ones I just can't seem to get make myself get rid of. So because this is a bird, you know, if you get some lines like right here, you know, if you get some brush marks that seem to like hint at feathers, you don't leave them. You don't have to blend them all out. I think they make a better dark color, a darker gray color than the De La Rowney, but I think that is more because of the color selection I have than it is because of the paint. I do think they're more opaque than other paints. I think that and I think that's pretty true with lots of the student grade crafters grade watercolors. Generally speaking, I think if you are a water colorist and you really like the transparency of watercolor, then you're going to probably want to stick with more of an artist grade paint. I use gouache. I have gouache, but I'm not a huge gouache fan. I like the layers of puddley watercolor transparent paint. Like I said, these are okay. And if I was just doing a journal page, I would probably use these instead of Schmincke. I mean, you know, I don't think I'd use Schmincke on our journal page. Okay, so I'm going to switch to a littler brush because I want to do the eye and for the eye, I'm going to grab some of this paint, but I also put some of that pilot varsity ink in there. There we go. I do have a black in this palette, but because we don't have it in the other one, I'm going to try to avoid using it. I am going to grab what is like the equivalent over here of the Prussian blue, color number 35. Thank you, Mary. It seems like lots of the student grade paints are a lot more opaque than the artist grade. And I think that's probably just the nature of the paint because it's, you know, less expensive. You know, it's not really made to be the same. I'm sorry, I was looking at my drawing. So this is, so this is that small brush I just bought. It's a very small, this Princeton Snap round number two. I really like this brush. It has a nice point on it. I'm really hard on my brushes, so I tend to buy brushes that are inexpensive. Let me see if I can move into the bird's face just a little bit. Hang on. Yeah, you know, just remember to, you know, have a light touch with the paint brush. It's my acrylic brushes I'm really hard on. I do have to replace them every now and then because I'm so hard on them. And you'll find like right now, I'm doing pretty well with these Prima paints. They are, like I said, kind of more of an artist, I'm sorry, more of a crafter or student grade paint. You just, you can get similar results with, as with the artist paints. You just have to work a little harder at it and be a little more careful. So it just depends on, you know, what you want to do and how much you want to work at it. Right there, his tip of his beak is a little dark, so let's see. Aha! Lifts pretty well. Like, I like that. So if you get too much on there, that's pretty good. All right, looking at my picture. Thank you. You know, I like to draw birds. I'd rather draw them than have to deal with them in real life, but you know, but I like, no, this is just plain paper. This is Fabriano Cold Press, 140-pound watercolor paper. I made this journal last, let's see, I was going to say last year, but I think I actually made it in 2014. There should be a video somewhere. I think actually, now that I think about it, I think this is part of one of my paid for classes on Udemy. Okay, so I love that. I love the way that part of the bird is looking. Well, except for his foot. We forgot about his foot. Let's see. So remember when you're doing any painting, you know, stopping so hard on yourself if it doesn't look like a photograph. If you want a perfect representation of something, take a picture. If you want to do an artistic interpretation of it, then paint a picture. We're shooting for painting our interpretation of the bird and not a perfect representation of said bird. Aw, thanks. Okay, so let's go back to the bird over here with the De La Rowney paints. So stop being so hard on yourself if you can't get a perfect interpretation of something. That would be my biggest piece of advice for you. Just enjoy the process. So I'm going to see what kind of color we can get if we just mix the brown and the blue, the same color that we have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. We'll go with it anyways. All right. So now we're going to, I want to add more of these like light strokes that we have kind of over here, just barely touching the brush to the paper. So this is two completely different brands of paint, two complete different colors, color ways, really. Enjoy the process. Exactly, Mary. Enjoy the process. It should be about having fun and being creative. If you're not having fun, what's the point? He's pretty good. I kind of like him. I'm going to take one of my larger round brushes and we're going to get splattery. Yeah, stop comparing yourself to everybody else. You're you. If I wanted a painting by Van Gogh, I'd buy a Van Gogh. If I wanted a painting by Mary, I'd get a Mary. I'm not Van Gogh. I love, I love splattering my watercolor paints. It's a fun thing. So I like both of these brands of paint, I have to say. They both work really well. Now the mixing palette, the palette was easier to work with in the Prima because I've got a lot more colors. The Dayla Rowney's Fine, there's nothing wrong with it. In my opinion, and I said this before when we had it out, it needs a black, a white and a paint's gray and a violet in my opinion. And if I'm going to continue to use this and I'm not going to pass it on in half email or something like that, which may happen at some point, then I would probably, and even if I do pass it on, I would probably add those four colors to it before I did because in my opinion that it's easier to get the look that you want. Yeah, I love the gray grayish tones that you get here from the Prima paints and also from the pen. Hey Teresa, that Pilot Varsity Pen, this one. I love the look of this more than the look of this. And this is just from, this is the book that I have, Birds of North America. Actually I have a few books on birds. I think I've got this one in Amazon, but I usually buy them used for like a penny. And then I'm just paying for shipping or I, if I have time, I go down to the used bookstore in my town and go buy, I go to the coffee table and bird watching, you know, or a nature section. And those are not sections they sell a lot of books in, so they're usually pretty cheap. And one book like this has a lot of, a lot of different kind of birds in it. Like look at this purple finch. Yeah, if you have a library that has them for free, do that, go get them for free. These, even if they're missing a couple of pages or they're not in the best condition, these make the best reference books for your art library or, you know, collage books because you could cut these photos out and use them in your journal pages. Yeah, I prefer the DK books have the best photographs and detailed illustrations. So they are, I have a few of their, their sort of natural history type books and they, they're one of my best brands that I have. And then I also have my book weight to hold it open while I'm painting. So there are just a quick painting. Does anybody have any questions? Or would you like to see something else? DK is the publishing house, Mary. Discover more at www.dk.com. DK is a brand that you hear about a lot if you had kids in school when they had their, you know, Scholastic Book Drive. DK is a big school, kids' schoolbook brand. Oh, there we go. Oh, there we go. Dorling Kindersley. It just says DK all over this book. Does it say Dorling Kindersley anywhere? See, look at this photograph. That's right in the front of the book. But I have them on birds, fish, eggs and nests. Like there's, I don't even think it says here in the book anymore. It just says DK. Oh yeah, it does down here. Dorling Kindersley in little teeny tiny print that I can barely read because I don't know how my glass is on. I'm supposed to do a bald eagle for my husband one of these days for him to hang in his office. If you just go to Amazon, Mary, and you type in a DK bird book, they're going to come up. But I'm loving these, none of these brushes were expensive. I think the Utrecht ones were like $5.99 and the Princeton Snap were $3.99. Buy one, get one for a penny. So these are all, in my opinion, great brushes. The bristles are staying together. They're not displaying. They're not, no bristles are falling out. They are stiff enough to not only do your traditional light stroke painting with, but to scrub a little bit. I'm loving this small filbert brush. Number four, Snap. I'm loving this brush. It's a great size for doing some watercolor painting. McGraw Hill still is a schoolbook brand, Mary. Alrighty. And then, of course, our pilot varsity pen. And you know what? While we're here and we're just chatting, let's try these. So these are all, see, I just put all my brushes away. Let's get one out. All right. So these are the rest of the Prima. The Filbert is my great, my favorite, most favorite flat brush shape. Okay. So these are the pilot, this is the pilot varsity set. You can just buy the pens individually. I have a bunch of the black ones because it is my favorite color. But I did get the set so that I could try some of these other colors. So let's do that. This is the blue, red. Now we found these or heard about these when we were in Las Vegas. The girls and I were in Las Vegas. The art supply store there had them selling them individually. They, I only bought black. When I got home, I tried it and I loved it so much that I bought, I had to go to Jetpens and Audemars. These are disposable fountain pens, Mary. So they have a fountain pen nib on them, but they're disposable. They're not expensive, and they have a lot of ink in them. Can you see in the barrel there how much ink is in there? There's a lot of ink in them. And I love a good fountain pen, but I get tired of dealing with the ink cartridges and clogged nibs and all of that other crazy nonsense. So those are all the colors. Now we're going to get some clean water and look. And there's no reason why you can't take these and mix them with your watercolor paint. Turquoise is one of my favorite colors, but black has always been a most favorite color of mine. When I was in school, we didn't know what goth was, but I probably would have been one of them because I wore a lot of black. There is no brown, Mary. There are only these colors. I wish they had a brown because I really do like these paints. Look how great they blend. I love them. They're fabulous. And then, of course, we have the black. I really love them. I want to encourage all of you. Yeah, you could probably mix some of the inks together, like the red, the black, and maybe the green to get sort of a brownish color or the red and the black. We could try that. So you can also use something like these alone or in conjunction with your watercolors. Do a quick little sketch over here. No, that red is really strong. I think you would have to add some of the green. And honestly, I think that would be pain in the neck. Oh, yeah, if you do the red, green, and black, you get something that's closer to brown, Mary. But it would be easier to just add a brown distress marker. So then, you know, you can use something like this. So knowing that it will smear, that it's gonna, it's water reactive, right? And you don't have to react to all of it. You can be careful about where you put your water. Yeah, and get something interesting. Yeah, with just a water reactive pen and a brush. And I would, I would say these kind of pens like this that are water reactive, this is a great way to take a few coloring implements with you. That you can, you know, add, add some colored pens with you to just do journaling with. But you also, if you bring colors, colors that aren't in your travel watercolor palette, then you can add, use them as additional colors for your watercolor. Once it's reactivated, is it permanent? I don't think so. Let's dry it. Um, they do seem to hang on. So these pens are not waterproof. First question, Teresa, these are not waterproof pens. The Marrior question, these are by Pilot. And these are the Pilot Varsity. Here it is on camera, the pen brand. I've heat set these. Now I will say from working with the illustrations for the book that, yeah, Pilot Varsity. Varsity is the model of pen. That once it's dry, especially if it's heat set, it still will move, but it moves less. So see, it will still, it still moves. It's always water reactive. So if you were using this on something that you were going to add more layers on top of, you would probably want to spray this with something like workable fixative before you did that. They should be. I've got mine from JetPens, but I bet if you go to the Pilot website, Mary, you probably could find out Pilot Corporation of America. They're made in Japan. They may have them at your office supply store too. I know I never heard of them before I went to Las Vegas, and they had them at Desert Art Supply. They do have them on Amazon. If you have Amazon primed, if somebody is on the internet right now that is looking for the pens, maybe you can go to Pilot and see if they have them available. Oh, see, look, I have watercolor paint all over my arm. That's just fabulous. You can tell I'm a true artist. I've colored myself. Staples. Does Staples have them in the store? I would guess, I would think Staples would have them, Mary, or if you have Office Depot or Office Max, I would think that I would think that you would be able to find them there. I know you're on a spending freeze. I do watch your videos, and I do save these, by the way, FYI. I either put these in Happy Mail, or I put them in my journal that I'm using to document my year, just so you know, these little sample scraps. Okay, cool. Check Staples. If you only can afford one pen because you're on a budget, I would recommend adding the black one to your stash. Not only is it nice to just write with, but it is a nice pen to add to your stash, especially if you only have a set like this Dayla Rowney one, and there's no black in it, add one of these black varsity pens to your kit, and this will give you a good black. And if you don't have black or purple in your kit, like that one doesn't, this whole set, if you could get the set, this set is a good complement to a small watercolor set like this one, or this Windsor Newton one, because neither one of these have black in them. So if you have a set like these that you're working out of, and you really don't want to add more, you don't want to increase your palette size, because that's not the ideas to have a small one, add some pens to it, because not only can you do some journaling in your book, but you can use these as additional colors, water soluble colors with your paint. It's pro, you know, I have no idea. That's the short answer for that question, Teresa. It may not be light fast is what you're asking, but this is the 21st century. So if you're going to be selling your art, and I don't sell originals in my journals like ever. So I keep all my journals, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to sell this say little bird, but I sell a reproduction. So if you create a painting that you might want to sell, reproduce it, scan it, photograph it, and reproduce it, and then sell the reproduction, that one's going to be good forever. If you're really worried about light fastness, then I would contact Pilot and ask them. I would say that there's probably some things you can do to increase the lifespan of the pen by spraying it with sealers and fixatives and keeping it out of direct sunlight. There probably is, Mary. We probably just don't know about it. But if somebody knows, please, let the rest of us know because we would sure love to do that. But my best advice, if you're doing any kind of mixed media piece, and you are not positive about the light fastness of anything that you've used in that piece, I would recommend scanning it or photographing it and making a digital copy. This is the 21st century after all. You can get really fine art quality reprints these days, probably from a local photo lab, sometimes on canvas and sell those. But if you seal it, if you spray it with a good, you know, spray it with some workable fixative first, then put a couple coats of sealer on it. There are watercolour sealers, and then you put it under glass and you keep it out of direct sunlight. It should be okay. I agree with you, Mary. There's got to be something that we can spray on the page like a spray wax. Wouldn't a spray, a matte spray waxy thing that would dry and yeah, we need one of those spray wax. But if you think about it, this is a pilot pen, a pilot ink. A lot of their inks are fairly light fast. I have, you know, pilot pens have been around forever. And I have notes like written by my grandmother, you know, back in the 1920s, and the ink is still fine. So it's probably going to be fine, but I, you know, it wouldn't hurt to write pilot and ask them, is your pilot varsity ink light fast. Of all of the colors of ink, my guess would be you're more likely to have no issue with the black than you are probably the colors. Because the lighter the color, they're probably the less light fast it is. Glossy and not sticky. Yeah, wow, Mary, you're not asking for much. Yeah, I have some of those too. My grandparents used to keep, you know, budget books. And that was all done in pencil. You can still read some of it, but it's fading. And the paper's yellow. Alrighty, I think that's it for today. I hope you enjoyed it. We will have to do some investigation on the pilot varsity pen. And I will be posting to my Facebook group any conclusions we come to about light fastness. But yeah, scan, scan, scan any of your artworks that you've done that you love, whether you know for sure that the piece is made with light fast materials or not, I recommend you scan them or photograph them. Always. You never know in life what could happen. And so I recommend having a digital copy. You're welcome, Mary. I'm sorry I broke your spending freeze. I'm sorry. But I think you're going to like this. And especially if you happen to have this in conjunction with, and I love a good fountain pen, but if you have this in conjunction with this one, which is waterproof or the Sharpie marker pen. So these two are waterproof. And being able to use them together, and when I did the illustrations, I use these two. You have lines that you can put on here that you know aren't going to go where they're going to stay with the waterproof pen, then you can add a little bit of the varsity pen that you know is going to blend and add it to the shadows. And if you use them together, right, you're going to get something really unique and really beautiful. And I, my goal always with these live broadcasts is to be instructive not only for you guys, but for me, I learned something new all the time from you guys too. So, and this is another fountain pen. This is the carbon ink pen. I don't have any idea where they have these online. I got mine from Amazon, and it's the only proper ink cartridge filled like fountain pen I have because it's the only one that doesn't get clogged. So I've kept it. All the other ones I returned because they get clogged and they drive me crazy. I have no patience for that. You're welcome. All right, I'm going to go to the gym because they still haven't done that yet. And then get the mail and hope the rest of my stuff is in for journaling. Crazy Analyst I can finish getting my stuff filmed today. That would be fabulous. I got to film October and November. Everybody have a great day. Don't forget to play with your supplies. Don't be afraid to mix your watercolors with your acrylic with your pens and your crayons. Just have fun with it. And the most important thing, go out and have a great day and do something nice for yourself because you deserve it. All right, I'll see you all later. Bye.