 Ray and Jeff Satters and the father-and-son team up have you done this before you guys we have we've done a few Targas sometimes together and sometimes with Jeff driving our older car. How's that go when you're driving? It's good fun. You get a lot of advice. Yeah constant Tell me about the the little Sunbeam interesting little vehicle and you're a bit of a Sunbeam fan Yeah, we've had a few Sunbeams over the years and When we started target we used a rapier, which is a four-cylinder car decided we needed a bit more grunt So we built up this this tiger for the job and Tiger is tell me about the detail of this it's a Sunbeam Alpine so kind of a Sunbeam sports car and they just dropped an enormous v8 into it a 302 Ford. Yeah So how do you end up in terms of balance with that? Is it a little heavy in the front? No when when Sunbeam made this modification they built about 8,000 of these cars They pushed the engine as far back as they could so it's actually got quite a good weight balance Just pretty short in the wheelbase. That's the tricky bit on the corners Who's giving her advice and what is the advice that you need to handle one of these? Dad's giving me a lot of advice and most of it is stay off the brakes and come into the corners easy That's exactly the kind of advice you want from your dad, isn't it? Don't slow down No, we we just work it out the brakes are Ineffective really in this car, so we have to be a little bit smooth in our driving Aspirations for the event Just to finish to really have a good time and finish. Yeah, we're not really out to win much But we we you know want to go as hard as we can but not take risks so that we don't finish