 George Bruno with the 21 report. We're at the 21 summit in Orlando, Florida. The year is 2020 And I'm having a conversation with Jennifer Molesky. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me All right. We just spent the last four days here. Mm-hmm Consuming content about bettering ourselves as individuals pretty amazing. What are your thoughts now that we're This is the post game show here Well, you know, I've said to everyone this is Hmm, I it's exactly what I expected, but feeling it is something different It's the same as saying have you seen the mountains? I can explain them to you But you have to you have to be in the midst of it to see the impact that they can have on your psyche And whatnot. So that's that's how I feel about everything I've experienced Kind of I did I I said a lot but without saying anything didn't I There was a lot going on here Did you talk to a lot of attendees? Yeah more on friendly levels I Truthfully not many people approached me And probably rightfully so a lot of you know, you're not supposed to take dating advice or anything from a woman So they didn't but it was it was more friendly conversation about what's happening in their lives and And what they are striving for and the purpose of them coming here But I was mostly you know, I didn't go to any patriarchy I attended some of the 21 on the first day, but then I was in the in the 22 convention with the other women. Okay You met a lot of speakers here a lot of content creators some very well-known Give me some of your experiences with their with interactions with them It takes all kinds of people to make the world go around so I've said this at when when we were on the panel I hate the idea of this red pill red pill brand And truthfully I didn't even I still really don't consider myself necessarily red pill I just feel like I want everyone to be better. I have some information I apply it the best way I can It seems to me that some people think that that red pill is here's information And if you don't do with it what I want you to do you're out You can't be kicked out. There's no trademark on truth Okay, wait, there's no trademark on truth I don't think so and you said that with the implication that there are some people who think that there is Yes, they own a Corner of truth. Yeah You just debunked a whole bunch of people That's probably good for most people and bad for them. I mean they can do what they want, but I it seems It seems oily to try to Command how do I want to say this I? Have the truth and now I have the troops You know so when you ask me about the the different content creators here. It takes all kinds When when you have information you go and you live your best life with it and and the people that were that were speaking were Representations of those different avenues and I think it's neat because as You know like have you ever watched the YouTube channel and then and then after and then like there's three and you loved Them for a year and then after like the past three episodes You're like, I don't think I like this asshole anymore You know or they just kind of like start rubbing you the wrong way because you're ready to move on And there's nothing wrong with that and what I really liked about the speakers here is that they spoke To everyone and there were certain people that were like, yes Yes, this year 2020. Yes, maybe next year. They'll probably next year They'll gravitate towards another message because we're growing. We're organic. We don't have truth and then say stagnant with it You just don't I'm a level two Selma yay So you can be a there's there's while there's one two and three there used to be four But now there's like 300 master Selma yeas in the world and they know Everything about wine except for they're learning every day more about wine You don't just die once you have all the information you as long as you're alive You're you're applying different truths and experimenting with different things For some people the truth and this isn't an axiom actually, but a concept is all women are bad Okay, so that works for a while except for when they meet a woman who's not then that shatters a truth And then they have to move on with that or not That's why I know I'm getting way off track But that's why I always say like be careful what you sell yourself because you'll buy anything When you need to buy something if it makes you feel good and you take that pill and it makes you feel good You're gonna keep taking it, but but at some point you might Find that it's giving you diarrhea. No, you know what I mean? And they'll be like well if I stop taking this pill then I'm not gonna get well, but there's a different There's a different way to apply it. There's a different medication. There's a different truth There's a different way to live and when people sell themselves something You know that I always say to women be very careful to young women Be very careful how you speak about older women and I could say it to men too Here's why because unless you die, you're gonna get older and if you're a woman that's who's 20 Who's talking smack about a woman who's 40 50 60 when you become 40 You're gonna have a lot of therapy to go through not because of the world but because of what you sold yourself. Yeah That's it. I had a talk with Richard Granin Last summer I like him and we talked about We had a similar talk about the red pill and he said he responded with the phrase The adult pill. A lot of these guys need to take the adult pill And I've been running with that for a long time. Just grow up. Yeah Well, what does that look like to you to you? What is growing up? What is the pill of growing up? What happens when you take that and it starts to work? Do you understand what I'm asking? I do. Okay. I personally I think it's being able to get along with the greatest amount of people. I Don't want to take it. I don't want to take a pill that makes me hate a demographic Or be suspicious of this or that if all women are like this or all fill in the blank Let's just say races or whatever or like that and Then I meet someone who's not like that. It's like oops. Yeah, I guess I was wrong Like you are the gateway drug To many people in the Manisphere a lot of people will find the men's community through a woman, which is paradoxical odd But people will click around YouTube will suggest videos When they're watching your video in the right column. Yep, I'm gonna be there. Yeah Anthony's gonna be there Socrates is gonna be there Tanner is gonna be there and then they'll just click on that and then of course, you know clickstream behave one click leads to another Then you spent the whole night watching Yeah, red pill videos and you're introduced to all these people, but you are a gateway drug for a lot of people Do you have a what is that a profile of your typical? Subscriber well, that's tricky. Isn't it? I recently talked to 70 of my subscribers and oh So a lot of people say what like what's the demographics of your YouTube channel? I know who's listening. No women are listening. Okay. I kind of agree There's only about five. I went up from 1% when I made that make-toe video a Year and a half ago because we talked about it at a meet-up. I thought it was an obscure thing So I spoke about it It was a new channel then too, so I didn't have many other Videos, but it was 1% women watching and now because I don't I don't talk about red pill a lot Red pill I talk about trying to be better now. We're at about 6% women Typically the men are in pain verging unhopeful of future And that seemed to be a lot of the phone calls that I had was was people going through something painful figuring out how to get through it finding me or You know a lot of people found me through you and our conversations and And whatnot, but that seems to be The people that stick around the people that stick around are are that But I also don't want to be unfair to the other people who have no no Connection to this forum. There's a lot of people who just are entertained and Find that they get little nuggets of information or ways to look at the world Through the way I communicate That has nothing to do with men or women. Yeah, just trying to be better. Yeah, so I guess it's a Few different I have about 16,000 female followers many have written me and said More Jennifer more Jennifer. Oh, really? Yeah, and that's interesting. Mm-hmm. It's very interesting and I just started Interviewing or having conversations with women on my channel this year. Yeah this year and it's added Something nice now some people would say I got some emails that said oh, it looks like George handed in his man card So is that what a does a real man not speak to women? Wow? That is that's a real man Does he so manly that he can't even talk to women like what is that? Yeah? I mean part of being a man is I well, I don't know. I think that seems It seems like a frightened person would say that as a way to block off Possibly their inability to accept the softer sex So they're just gonna say that no real man would ever talk to a woman type of a deal I think I just rambled right there, but Did you understand was there any okay? I posted a picture. I did kind of a shot kind of a selfie of The red man group yesterday That was the 22 convention red group, and of course you are front and center I was moderating the group you were in my hat. Yeah, and some guy said oh This was your jump the shark moment like this red man group really took a dive down Now that you have a woman on the panel. Uh-huh. Yeah, I brought you down. I'm sorry. Yeah And there are some guys that think that and I said my response was It's not like we're doing Red pill light now What do you mean? In other words, nobody had to go easy because we had women here I hope not and Actually, that was that was a fear I've told a lot of people here that I felt rather guilty and that's why I stayed in that 22 room because there's a There's a club in in Colorado Springs that is for men only and it's not cheap It is not cheap to have access to just men. Okay, and and their bartender just quit after 40 years and they hired a female bartender and I am devastated for them and and One of my regulars came in he's like, yeah, I mean like You know, we still talk guy talk, but we have to there's a woman now and And now I'll just speak for them. I imagine if I was them What I'm gonna complain about a woman. No, I'm a misogynist. You know what I mean? Like that's their space. So actually I can I now saying this out loud. I'm working through it I understand that that guy like, okay, you've taken a dive down. You hired a female bartender, you know but when when we did all the pictures I stayed out of all of them except for the 22 because I don't want to Be the bartender You know, I'm the bartender of the female group and men and women come to the bar and it's fine But but I want you to I you know Athena. I thought that she protected men She protects civilization and civility and I want to have my bow ready to protect men Keep them safe When they need their when they need their masculine space, I want to be on the outside I want to be the I want to be the bouncer not the bartender That's what I that's an interesting concept it is Let me ask you this When you spoke and I didn't have a chance I it was so fun. Yeah, did you do? Did you go easy on the women? I went normal on the way? I mean there was no I wasn't scolding anyone I don't like it. You know, I was thinking about how do I make anyone better? I make them look in the mirror And I can't say here do one two three. You'll be better. I suppose I could I could come up with a formula But my thing is, you know, like one of the things I mentioned was in alcoholics anonymous. They like the first step I can't remember the The the oh my god I can't remember the whole sentence But it's something like I we admit that we're powerless over alcohol and something something something So I said to the women maybe try that not not alcohol But what am I powerless over I'm powerless over comparing myself to other women. Okay, so now we get rid of media Okay, I'm powerless over trying to control my husband. Okay. How do we do that? We have to bite our tongue and submit and and understand why that's important. Whatever it is So there was no harshness Directed it how they're screwing up. It was how they are screwing up for themselves Does that make sense? Yeah It does Who did you meet here over the past four days that you had to talk with like content creators or content? Man, I'm trying to think I spent time with you There's actually a person who didn't speak his name is will and he was marvelous and he's starting a podcast for but he had the the Guzzies know that no the tan I can't remember he had one couple on for his inaugural podcast Guy with the shaved head and he's got a beard will yeah, well, yeah I Actually liked sitting next to Coach Greg Adams. Yes. Um, did he like sitting next to you? I don't know. I Like to think yes, but I don't know I thought it was so interesting that he and I were next to each other because he's like don't trust women And I'm like hey never get married don't cohabitate And then he's have a conversation with Jennifer. Yeah, which doesn't make him weaker No, or does it? According to some men now now coach poor coach Greg Adams is out of the manosphere because he spoke to Jennifer He gave in his man card. Yeah I liked I like sitting next to him. I'm trying to think of the Oh Socrates I like him so much I like him so much in real life. He's um Very he's my kind of personality. He's he's jocular. He's engaging. He tells a wicked story He's candid and authentic And I probably everyone was was authentic and I love stoicism in men But it seemed that there was a lot of stoicism to the point where I didn't appreciate it I'll be honest. There was some people who was so stoic. It was like, is there a person under there? I knew a woman who was um an older woman who was a Mormon from From birth to cradle. No cradle to grave is what they say. Yeah And she almost seemed like robotic like I am a woman of God I'm a woman of God. I will do this. It was like, is there a woman under there? Like, what do you think? Do you have any rage? Do you have any feeling any emotion? Does not compute does not compute. Yes Yeah, and and I kind of felt like is there a smile in there? Is there a happiness in there? It felt like so heavy like they were like constantly lifting weights around around the place Are they bad people? No, I think they're amazing powerful humans. But for me I really liked the that personality of a man and that's why I really liked that. There was so many different um content creators speaking here because There's a million different people and and I I think you're great I like you very much. Some people think you're a douche I think I'm pretty cool. Some people think I'm we both have critics. Yes, and and I expect that If I please everyone then I'm Can there's no way that I'm an authentic human being. Yeah Yeah When we've done videos together I get comments like You know you hand it in your man card Why would you have her? Watch this video about her. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Or what's the other one? And then I get comments like My two favorite content creators or thank you for introducing me to jennifer that type of thing. So I do get a wide range Can I tell you something that's annoying to me? I I don't like it when anyone I don't like it when people believe something about another person So when I wait on tables sometimes people are like, oh, you're gonna love this couple I'm like, don't tell me that because now I'm judging them from a higher box. You know what I mean? But Sometimes people will make a video about me saying bad bad thing bad bad bad. Don't trust don't trust hate hate and they'll come over to me and be like And and the chameleon video. Yeah, good example. Yeah. Okay. Yes. So and they'll call me that fine So it's like a hundred comments. But then there's other content creators are like, no, jennifer muskie is amazing And they'll come over and be like, you're the best. I I don't really love any of those subscribers I'm sorry. I I want them to come over And if they can wipe the slate of what they've been told and think for yourself That's all I want people to do. I don't care if you hate me, but if you if you hate me authentically I support it I just don't like it when and I guess that's the same thing with the brand Don't tell me what to do with information Don't tell me what to think about someone Think for yourself. Yeah. Yeah To the best of your ability You've interacted with some Pretty prolific authors here. You've seen In content creators You hung out with bulldog. Yeah What are your thoughts about bulldog? Uh Awesome. I he spoke at the 22 convention and I really liked that um He I didn't I didn't bond with him You know, um I think I I bonded with socrates more than more than anyone But I think I think he's great. I think his message is consistent. He is the same human When I say I didn't bond with him. It's not like I didn't like him, but we weren't like buddies Uh, but he he is consistent. He is the man. He represents He is the man. He says he is. Yeah And he gave counsel to people that needed it. Yes here as many people did And he explained to women how to get a high value mate Guess what you have to be high value You have to be high value to get a high value mate. Um So, yeah, that's it. I use authentic Yeah, he doesn't be us He doesn't miss it misrepresent himself overall Impression of the overall event now here we are at post game show If someone Was pulling you aside and say hey Tell me about this thing. What did you really think? Because people are going to think you're editing yourself right now. Oh Okay, what did you really think? Yeah, so so I've been traveling before and there's an experience that's very uh unique to traveling So I thought it goes like this you land on a different continent you end up at a place a city It could be agra india or a little island in vietnam and you don't know anyone and you have to No, you don't have to but because You're in unfamiliar territory. You're hyper aware even on an accident of everyone that's around And the first day that you're there everyone's like Timidly friendly And and trying to Everyone's hyper aware of who they are. I think is what it is. How am I presenting myself? What do they think about me? Oh that person is popular and I've looked up to them for a year and and it's just a lot of It's a lot of people being internal The next day Through repetition you become a little bit more comfortable and by the end of it. It seems What I've always explained for traveling and now with this convention. It seems like family In the sense of we know who's in the club And I don't mean the I don't mean a club, but oh these people are are Safe good people I feel I've never been in the military. My husband was in the military and and there is something really important or Hard to get any other way that is I hate this guy next to me But I'll kill for his to protect his life because it's camaraderie So I feel like it's a it's a lighter version of that Uh, you know, I don't really like that guy. I don't really like that speaker I really don't like that guest But no one better mess with them and I feel like that's how everyone kind of was and by the end of it No one's internal anymore. No one's thinking and worrying about themselves They're actually comfortable with the family that's here. That was my impression And we're okay with each other even though we all don't yeah And everyone knows who they like and who they don't and who they still want to talk to and who they want to talk to Again, and it's just life. It's just life just like at home But here in a new in a new way. Do you think there will be any collaborations In the next year between you and the other content creators. I think so I don't know I have a few people that I want to Speak with Yesterday you described yourself as an anti-victocrat Explain that the first time I ever heard that word. Yeah, I made it up where I did. I don't know But it just I don't like the whole you know, there's democrat republicans. So I just was a play on words I just don't like victims. I don't like the victim status I despise that there is going to be some person watching this who feels like they're a victim right now No, you're a victim to nothing but your shitty decisions and the life that you've created There are victims. I think that victims are children Because they have no power They're supposed to have people that are protecting them elderly are supposed to have people protecting them And animals are out in the world being vicious to each other or if we've domesticated them Then we're supposed to be protecting them. So those are the three victims um I you get nowhere in life by sitting in your box pissed off at the world for the decisions that you made and What you ended up with is it fair? No It doesn't make sense often. Yes always it does, you know, and I said in my speech If you can take one percent if you can think of your life and Any okay, let's start with any bad thing that happens in your life if you if you can find one percent Where you were to blame or you could have changed things that one percent will soften into two percent We'll move into three percent and then pretty soon you have control over your life And the good thing about being self-responsible for even the negative is that you get to become Powerful and responsible for the good and now you're building self-esteem now. You're knowing who you are now. You're you're breaking down barriers That's what anti-victor cat is to me. I like that Let's pivot for a second. How does a woman find a husband? Yeah, I don't know Um, they I they work on them. I think it's the same for for men You have to work on yourself so much that you exude What is it they throw in the water for sharks chum, right? It's to smip and now and now the the sharp the elf is in the real feminine the real high caliber people Are smelling something and they're they're compelled to it I talked to you about desperate cologne. Some people are just so pathetic Do the do the thing well Like you I don't know they they spray desperate cologne. They they spray themselves at this and everyone smells it smells bad No one wants to be around someone that has a lot and they come across as being desperate, yes but if you if you If you spray yourself with self-esteem You'll be a beacon and the thing with that is you reject Without having to do any work low caliber people They don't want to approach you They're intimidated. They're scared They think you're a bitch. They think you're an arrogant P But that's how you find and then you go into the world and be that in front of people I mean you could walk through a hotel lobby. You could be at a restaurant. You could be At work, but if you're exuding that you're you're you're compelling the right people to you You know Bulldog and I and I love what he said, but he gave a list of places to find High quality people because the high quality people hang out at quite high quality places. I give him that But if you're a high if you're at a high quality place and you're smelling of low quality cologne Good luck. It doesn't matter where you're at You're driving your your your Kia might yours all say to myself. I have a centra. It's like driving a centra into a Bentley lot like No one wants to wait on me, you know, because I'm not that person. I'm not that caliber I like that frame is everything A conversation with Jennifer Molesky Thank you for being on the show. My pleasure. Thank you so much