 Yo, yo, welcome to the culture shock show where we talk about everything in hip hop culture on the mic and off. Brand man Sean, how you feeling man? Good, good man. What's up with you Russ B? I'm good man. I'm your host Russ B. Welcome to the show. Let's jump into some of the most exclusive topics going on in the culture. Exclusive topics. All right. Damn man. What we out? So yeah. You know, Apple, Google Maps, they both are paying homage to Mac Miller and pretty much naming Blue Slide Park in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, they're naming it after him. So anytime you drive past there or whatever and you see him on the Google Maps, that'll pop up, which I think is good. Mac Miller is, in my opinion, you know, you look at Eminem, who's a white rapper. And I feel like there's been a lot of conversations about white rappers. And I think Mac Miller is on the higher spectrum of that category. And I think, you know, he's somebody who was, you know, he might have seen got a bit of criticism early on, but I think over time he really proved that he was dedicated to the culture. And he was somebody that, you know, we could all respect as, you know, one of our own almost, you know, so I think that's respectable. And I think there's been a lot of conversation about, you know, black rappers versus white rappers. And, you know, a culture voucher has been a term that's been used a lot during around the lot. So I really wanted to get, you know, your perspective on, like, what makes a white rapper valid and hip hop culture? Yeah. And what makes a white rapper a culture voucher? Yeah. First of all, I think it's super dope that they did it in the first place. The fact that Google Maps and Apple did that, I thought that was interesting. I wonder if they came together, they actually discussed it, or one of them came up with the idea of the other one. Copy, either way it goes or something dope. Maybe, you know, maybe somebody behind the scenes probably got somebody's ear on both sides and thought that it would be dope as a tribute. However that came together, I thought just little stuff like that is always cool to pay tribute because Matt Miller has always been somebody that's just been respected. Even if you don't know him heavily lyrically or musically, just the way he's carried himself has always just been one of those, you know, just one of those personas that's heavily respected in a game from both sides, you know, whether he's white or not. And I would always love people like that, that kind of carried themselves with good energy. You know what I mean? Right. That is unfortunate that he passed, man. So young, for sure. So let's step away, let's step away from the rappers, right? And let's just talk about in general, race and hip hop. We've obviously been seeing the Yes, Jules conversation that's going on. She went on It's Biscuit and Murder Moog show. She, you know, in the past has been pinned a lot of different titles, one being a coach of Ocha. What is the determining factor that separates, you know, a person that, you know, racially doesn't, ethnically doesn't, you know, hold the certain characteristics that you would normally think are in hip hop, which I really feel like in 2019, there are no real characteristics that I feel like are hip hop anymore. But obviously, you know, this is black music, you know, or at least it was started as that. So when, you know, different people from other coaches do come in and into the culture and make their money, people are going to have their questions. You know what I'm saying? So what is the distinguishing point? You know, what separates it from, you know, a Mac Miller, who we can all accept and we can all say, you know, this guy is accepted versus a Yes, Jules, obviously is not very accepted the way Mac Miller is. Man, at the end of the day, it's all coming down to respect, you know what I'm saying? Because Mac Miller, as I said, he's always carried himself as somebody respectable in the game. He's always shown respect for the culture. Even when you look at Macklemore, right? He always bigged up the culture show. He studied it. Somebody like Yes, Jules, they've never really shown that and they've always victimized themselves when people show any kind of animosity towards them. Prime example, somebody that's like an ally that could come in, they respect the culture. As a matter of fact, when I did an interview with Wendy Day, one of the things she talked about, how she had a lot of pushback, white woman coming to hip hop, right? But at the end of the day, she paid her dues. She showed that she was there. She studied culture. She helped people out work their way up. And that's the difference between how Yes, Jules, you know, she kind of finessed her way up into the game. I can't knock anybody taking advantage of opportunities. But when people call you out for your lack of respect on things, you can't look at yourself as a victim. So that's like, that's one thing. They've been victimizing themselves and they don't show any understanding of the culture or any respect for the culture of people who have paved the way for them, right? Then you got other artists that is even like Post Malone, man. Like at the end of the day, acknowledge the fact that this is the way you dress. This is the way you look. This is the way you acted, whether it was your idea or not. It might have been your management, but you leveraged hip hop and black culture for your image, for a given period of time. So when you come and then when you double back and make all these comments against hip hop, right, people let it pass because of your talent, you know, just kind of like how they let our acrylic pass because of this talent for a given period of time. But at the end of the day, just show respect for what it is and it's not even like somebody's gonna make like hold it against you. Like you got talent, y'all got opportunities, y'all are making moves, no one cares. At the end of the day, all they want is the acknowledgement that it happened and that's because everybody's trying to prevent white, basically white flight into the game and taking over the culture and white washing every single thing that already existed, all the work that we did, just like what happened to rock and roll, right? People think of rock and roll as a white genre because it became popular, white people took it over and now that's a white drama, right? House, like all these things that we create when people come in and they don't give acknowledgement of what existed, then like they're a threat and they're picking off and when you're picking pieces of the game, monetizing the game and showing respect, all you are is a culture. Point blank. And I'm not saying close Malone is a culture, but there's been some culture, culture tendencies at the time. Yes, the Jews is a culture, those are from everything that I've seen and not. Yeah, I think it really comes down to intent. Like I think that's the main thing. I think there's some guys that get into the culture because just like us, they were, you know, into it from a young age and it was just like it was a part of them, you know, and then you get other guys who see it as a financial opportunity and things like that. And I think that happens like all across the board, you know, if you like, you remember in the mid 2000s when Pharrell really was kicking stuff off and everybody wanted to be like a skater, but all the real skating and then Lupe came out with kick push and everybody was like, yo, like skating was the thing, but the real skaters was like, yo, like, what are y'all doing? Like this, this isn't like, it's deeper than a Bay putty, you know what I'm saying? Like so. Yeah, perfect. That's a perfect example. I'm glad you said that, bro. Because culture, like there's, it's not just black culture. There's so many cultures to culture, bro. Like there's so many people, especially in today, we got artists or other people, just people in general trying to cap off of a niche audience. Yeah. People are looking for niches and you got people finding cultures and they're trying to flip that culture, whether it's game culture, whether it's game culture, whether it's black culture, skater. Everybody's trying to flip a culture these days and they're not putting in the work to be a part of that community in the first place. Right. I get it. And it's like that with everything. Like even today, like podcasting is cool. So there'll be some guys on here who aren't really committed to hip hop, you know, who might become a hip hop podcasting and they not really even, they just see it as a financial game and then that's gonna dilute the entire culture. That's gonna, so that's really where the cautiousness is. Is it's like, do you really care or are you just trying to make money? Because when you're just trying to make money, that's when the culture becomes diluted. Everybody didn't hate that Vanilla Ice was a white rapper. They hated that it was so evident that he didn't really care about hip hop. And hip hop just was blowing up and you just had the marketing dollars to really capitalize and make this song and do what you need to do. That was the problem. It was never his skin. So when you get an Eminem who's, you know, growing up around black people, he raps better than black people. He's really, he loves hip hop just like a black person. We don't have a problem. You know what I'm saying? Cause we understand that the respect and the love for the culture is no different from us. But when we feel like you're kind of just in it. And that's kind of my problem with like people calling Leo a co-inher, a culture voucher. Because I'm not really convinced Leo doesn't care about hip hop. I have a hard time seeing somebody that's been in the game for 40 years, 30 years, you know, well before, you know, we was even born. He's been in this game forever. And I just feel like, you know, he could have gotten money doing whatever else. You know what I'm saying? Like who spends 40 years in this, in one culture that they're not particularly interested in. You know what I'm saying? Some people bleed green if they're like, they're just true and blue entrepreneurs. Where they like, hey, I know how to get this check over here and I'm gonna keep blowing up and getting that check over here. I'm sure he has money in other places. But I'm not saying that just to say that I think Leo is, I honestly don't know, because I don't know enough about him. Like I know his history personally, but as far as why he gets called one, I honestly don't get that big effect. I make her like the specific reason that he gets called one. You know what I mean? Like damn, if you don't care about the culture, I don't see it, I never heard of an example. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why people call Leo a culture voucher. He's a 60 year old white man. So people look at him and he's out promoting, like back in his 300 days, he's out promoting like Young Thug or Day Day. And they like, man, this old white dude is not driving around listening to Young Thug. You know what I'm saying? And here's my thing with that. It's like we're all gonna get old one day. So yeah, you know, we in our 20s, music is made for us right now, but there might be a time when we 50 and the music ain't necessarily created for us in mind. But we might still wanna be a part of the music business and we might still have a perspective on what's going on, even though that's not our first pick when we put on some. What about Dane though? Dane never called, like, but Dane had been calling him a culture voucher beforehand. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know, I would have to hear more on that, but even Dane did an apology, which is weird. I don't even know if that's about, but like let's bring this back to this yes, drill situation though, because this man, Myrtle Moot, was Wilder, right? Yeah. You told me, I hadn't heard this. Like you said Myrtle Moot came out and said that he was just doing it for the views, but does that make it better for you? Nah, it absolutely doesn't. It's, this is really like kind of what we had spoke about before about just like the attention hoarding and the downside of it. I think this is a perfect example of like, you did more damage than you did good for yourself because the whole point of a podcast is credibility. And if you up there just kind of proven that you're not a credible source or that you don't really have like a backbone to really say the things you need to say in the time period given the same, people aren't gonna listen to you. You know, people, the whole point of media is for when a Yes Jules or anybody, or R. Kelly does an interview, the point is to get everybody who ever views this, the information that they wanna know. So when you get somebody where people wanna know information, it's very important that you don't let the person control the interview. You don't let those main points get lost. You know, and you rationalize them in a way where everybody feels like you've done a successful job. That's the whole point of an interview in the first place. So when you- That's a very sound, logical, level-headed explanation. For me, I just think that shit was all trash, bro. It was trash. I didn't believe like coming up, being a young boy, listening to murder moot, battle freestyle, stuff like that. I couldn't believe that this is the same dude. The way he was coming off and the way he was encouraging and abling and almost just in defending her, even at points that she didn't think. But there was some points where she was like, yo, no, not exactly. But she was like, no, I'm white. Like he was like, you white? No, you are not. Like you are not white. She was like, yeah, I'm white. Like, no, you ain't white. Like he was like, dude, what are you doing? Like you, once you sacrifice like your respect for the cloud, like that's when it starts to, you lose the credit. Now you're moving on a different time period. That's when that whole trolling thing, like it goes out in the water. You have to literally continue to do that type of shit just to keep attention. And that shit's short lived, right? So I don't think that's the right space for buddy. You need to figure out a different platform because like that, like Jules is coming at it. Two very well respected black women. The black queens, you know what I'm saying? Like that came out, that came up for real, for real in terms of hustling their ways up. It's a lot of great white women in hip hop. They are, but yes, Jules for one is party culture, not hip hop culture. And people don't understand there's a difference between party culture and hip hop culture. Yeah, yeah. So like you attacking them, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't do you any good. Just throwing those names, trying to say they're the jealous of you and things like that. And there's a lot of other things that Jules got going on as far as rumors and things like that. As far as how she gets in the game and how she made her way up the ladder, I don't really know those kind of details. I'm not gonna get into those alleged accusations of sleeping your way up to the top and all that stuff. But at the same time, when you've got certain paths or certain lack of credibility in certain spaces, you gotta tread water, you know what I'm saying? Like you can't just go out around people. And I think that's the problem. Like when a yes Jules could go on these platforms and speak wrong about Karen, that's why she feels that way. Because there's not enough of us correcting that. You know what I'm saying? So that episode was like the perfect example of, and this is why she feels the right to even say some outlander shit. Because in reality, her and Karen are nowhere near the same, they're not in the same world really. The atmosphere of, they're not in the same world really, but because Yada and allowed her to think that, she thinks that like this is like a, you know, me versus her, her versus her type of thing. So it's like, nah, Karen's on a whole, Karen's on a whole different level, man. You talk about somebody who's worked on presidential campaigns, man. Like you talking about somebody, a black woman from, I believe New Jersey, you know, the hood, like different. People of Northern New Jersey. Yeah. All right, to keep it real, man, like that was like a perfect image of what so many black women have told me, which is they hate how black men enable white women to talk crazy and down on black men. But black men apparently want a black woman to uphold and to call them king and things like that. Well, a lot of black women, but like they're not being treated as queens. Right? We call these other women and we allow them, we enable them and all that kind of stuff. And like, I get it. And when I see moments like that, at the end of the day, that goes back to, even if it was, you were just trying to do something for clout, that isn't one of those things you can do for clout. There's some things where integrity shouldn't allow you to do. And I don't know. I don't know what his integrity or what he's about. He's like, everybody has a different version of those. But there's certain things that I won't do, even if I know it'll blow me up or give me certain views because at the end of the day, like I got certain things that are more meaningful than a quick little pop in the view count on YouTube. You know what I'm saying? And I'm gonna be real with you, man. Like, certain people like, I heard Joe say on a podcast, everybody don't need a podcast. Everybody don't need a platform. And if everybody do have a platform, make sure your platform is something that you well-versed in. Like, I'm not listening to no Murder Moog podcast. No, no, it's Biscuit podcast. For real. I don't know any podcasts, so I guess it won't. Like, if I'ma listen to Murder Moog talk about anything, it's really just gonna be like battle rapping or basketball or something. I don't really care to hear his angles on like anything particularly important. You know what I'm saying? Like, for real. And it's like, for real, especially with Biscuit, bro. Biscuit is like, Biscuit is a funny dude, man. He's somebody that I just wanna go on Instagram and I enjoy his content. I really do. I just, I laugh at him, man. He's funny. He's really a funny guy, but he's, again, he's not somebody who, I didn't even realize they had a podcast and I'm curious to who watches it because it's like, he's not people that I would ever consider like really listening to an hour, two hours, up to three hours of content from. To me, that's ludicrous. Biscuit, that's a black dude. Who was there? Biscuit was the other black dude who- You know who's the white guy? I don't really know who he is. He, they had some rum on the table and he's like a brand ambassador or something like that for that company. Okay. Yeah. I don't know what made him choose these two people. I guess he just looked at the Instagram following and said, hey, let's do it, but nah, this is like, nah, nah, man. Biscuit is not somebody that I would be listening to for two, three hours. To me, that's crazy and murder moog as well. Like, now you talk about like a Nori. Nori is different. Nori is a beast, bro. Nori's a beast at the interview and the radio, all that stuff, man. He a beast. Different beast. Different. He has his flaws, but he's a beast. And speaking of white people, I know you had Yellow Wolf as a topic that you wanted to talk about. Yeah, yeah. So I guess you put all that stuff out the way, man. Yeah. What did you think about Yellow Wolf's did this? Oh, I really felt indifferent towards it. I really thought Yellow Wolf overall has kind of been an artist I've always felt indifferent about. I never really heard a Yellow Wolf song that I've particularly liked, but I've also never really, yeah, I mean, I never really been, I never really done like a real strong deep dive into his catalog or anything like that. But the record was cool. The record was cool. And I feel like, you know, Ham, the machine gun Kelly's, you know, I think they cool, but they don't serve my demographic or what I'm trying to listen to. But I definitely, I respect his perspective, you know, on how he feels about the climate and all of that. All right, well, first, I wouldn't consider myself a Yellow Wolf stand, but I did appreciate, like when I first heard Yellow Wolf, man, I remember being like back at Georgia Southern University, I ain't go there. I was like business and homies and truck music that came out not long before that. I just had to be like 2010 or something like that. Truck music has tracks for that project that adds tracks. I was like, I rock with this dude, but I haven't followed him heavy. I remember when he started to rebrand and to bring the cowboy thing and it was more so like an honor as parents, apparently that was kind of the culture he grew up in, something similar and all that stuff. So I respected that he was staying true and integrating more of where he came from versus trying to like pander to black people, you know what I mean? Or take too much of that image. He always felt like he was authentic and what he was doing. And I felt similar about MGK and stuff like that, but as well, but not to the extent that Yellow Wolf had been. My thing about that diss, when I first heard it, I thought it was kind of wack, honestly. Like I just heard like the second half of the song. Cause, and then when I say wack, I'm just talking about the actual flow. I wasn't liking how things got delivered. I listened back again, started from the beginning. And it seems like he's taking shots on a lot of people. Like people that I don't even know and understand, but it sounds like he's taking shots the entire song. It wasn't just directed at those people. Obviously it's a play to get views for his upcoming project and everything. But I would like to see post Malone reply. I would like to see MGK reply. I know post did reply like on Twitter, stuff like that. But I don't really care. Of course, overall I don't care about the beat, but I think it'll be interesting to actually see an actual battle of lyrics. That part I can always appreciate. And I love, and he did have a lot of dope flows. I take the fact that it was wack, back, back. It didn't like impress me heavily, but he had a lot of dope flows. I don't understand the beat though. I really don't understand. Cause they don't even seem like these white boys know each other in terms of like, I don't see them together. It doesn't seem like anyone has done anybody super wrong, but a pan is his whole, there's some kind of beef going on, like in the white underbelly that I don't know about. Yeah, I think overall though, one thing I could say is that he can rap, you know? You know, he definitely is a lyrical dude. And I think in general, it's not really, they not really given a respect as far as like, I do think as far as from a technical aspect, white rappers usually like, stereotypically do really hold the technical aspects of rap to a higher regard and really try to be like a very traditionally lyrical, you know, approaching rapper. So in that respect, I do really respect that about white rappers. But I think, you know, that's enough on that topic.