 There's a delay play See you're strumming and it and then it and it's sort of like you could hear it only after the fact. Oh But you but my voice is not delayed your voice is good. We're live now by the way, but it's okay Jammin live. We're jamming my friend. We're jamming. Let me get my guitar Jammin That's that's the problem with zoom the the audio of an instrument is always delayed You know unless you got some sort of real-time thing going on. I actually had no idea I've actually never played guitar on the zoom before but The zoom is it's a mystery to me, bro I I struggle with it, and I'm just happy that you and I were able to figure this thing out because It was my fault There's been a no no no. It's hey man You you came on you were clear as a bell You looked great, and I could have easily been on my side So I was like struggling trying to figure it out, but fortunately we got it now. We're live all our life Doug do me a favor just go down a little bit because your head's getting chopped off right here. Okay, can you do that? Or I can back up like this or you can back up you can lean back and I got this thing That's got a zoom on it's got like a oh, yeah, I like that. Yeah, that's a lot better. Yeah, no, it's good It's good. Look at that. I got a remote control too, but I don't know what it does Yeah, I just actually be honest with you. This is the first time I use this kind of camera setup I've been using I usually use my phone Mm-hmm, and I thought for Jimmy I can't I can't roll with the phone And I gotta go like I gotta upload it somehow so I went with the clear one. This is a clear one Zoom camera system that is pretty I like it. It looks really nice Is that your setup in your basement or you're in your jam room or whatever it is my this is in my studio room I wish I had a basement man. That's East Coast thing. Yeah We in California. We really not very many people have a basement. I don't know why I guess the water tables Yeah, yeah, I think it's two things. I think it's earthquakes and water Yeah, well definitely earthquakes It'd be bad, but I think yeah, the water table was high too So you'd be having some issues all the time with water coming in, but I haven't it's a it's a how it's a little pool house outside of my house and it's I've lived here for 20 something 25 years or something and Man, this room has had every I've had everybody in this room from obviously cover ill Had been here with me Ronnie James deal and came over and a couple times worked with me here Glenn and I did a ton of work here And then just all kinds of sessions and stuff. I've done it's been this is like my this has got this if these walls could talk It would be the same. Do you have a name for your studio? I did David and I used to call it The mojo something I forgot You need a name and if anybody's watching it If anybody's watching and they got a cool name, you know, just type it in there and we can maybe like baptize it today Right now it should be called messy studios.com. We love messes We love cables on the floor and tons of amps everywhere and pedals everywhere. It's It's pretty messy, but it you know, that's the thing about it a studio if it's pristine clean. It's kind of a little bit like, okay Not sure if it's giving me a vibe yet, but when it's messy you kind of just Go there. Let's just rock. That's it. Yeah, it's a good point. That's how I feel about my basement about my wife You know, she disagrees well You got to give it up to the missus man Fortunately my I clean up after my misses so it's like So good news, I mean since the last time we talked, okay, so we had Krabi in the band Then Glenn Hughes is in the band Krabi's back in the band. I spoke to Krabi. I Don't know. It's like a month ago less than a month ago on the streets of Montreal And he was and you know great guy Oh, he's a great interview and he kind of explained it to me Maybe you want to just give everybody a little bit of a history lesson of he's back in the band Well, we're grateful to you know, we we love John and we always had a you know, John is Kind of the quintessential dead daisies guy. He's done the most records out of the six studio albums that have been done and He definitely put his mark on stuff and um Well, let me start back in 2012 or 13 was when the first album came out and that was David Lowey and John Stevens and And I didn't really know about it. I didn't know about the dead daisies at that point Little by little Marco Mendoza joined up Uh, and then Brian Tishy and then they got Richard Fortes, Dizzy Reed and John Krabi and that's when I They put out a video for midnight moses and I was like Man, that's that's pretty freaking kick ass. That's great And I'll tell you a side story. Jimmy is like I knew John Krabi when we were kids in Philadelphia And there was a you were too young to we couldn't legally go to the clubs but we had all fake IDs and um We go to the clubs in New Jersey and there was a band that played midnight moses And it was their signature track and they would they would like It was like the big moment of the night when they played midnight moses And we didn't even know it wasn't their song later found out it was Alex Harvey and Alex Harvey group And then 20 something 30 something years later. Here's John Krabi doing it with the dead daisies. I'm like Dad faster. He did it. He pulled it great. That's like I had totally forgotten about that song and And they sounded great. It's a really great song off of the cover of a revolution But a lot of people thought that was the dead daisies and that's when I first heard of them And I joined up right after that because the moses went back out together And Richard said you should get dug and I knew all those guys. They're all my buddies. Anyways, you know Me and david lowey talked and we hit it off and we made a couple records with john You know, he'd already done revolution and we did a couple records together and then we did a live record but um, eventually You know john wanted to kind of focus on solo stuff a little bit He had been trying to do it on the side and his son was playing drums For him and he's like, come on dad. Let's let's you know, we got to do some shows So that's when john split for a little while and and we had a great run after that with glenn hughes which we were blessed to have glenn, you know he uh He's you know, he's a legend He's glenn hughes, so we we we wrote A little differently together with him and we wrote some I wrote some things specifically for him because I know glenn and I know what he likes and um Yeah, so it was it was going really well, but you know pandemic made it a little difficult for us to to tour and stuff and eventually um You know glenn wanted to get back to doing his uh deep ripple stuff is he covers the deep ripple albums and He's got a great band so at that point we were kind of just taking a break and somehow Krabi we got in touch with krabi at some point just to see what he was up to it and we decided that we wouldn't put a best of album out best of Six studio albums and yeah during john and glenn most and and david and uh john steen's too You know, it's incredible when I put like I put each other songs on from the greatest hits and Every song is like a knockout, you know, and it just it speaks John krabi's it he's a huge talent and the only person pissed off at john rejoining the the dead daisies is john krabi's son Well, I mean that's what john told me he goes my son's go come on dad. What are you doing? We're just starting this solo thing here Yeah, but he can always do he can always do that when he's got free time He's been doing he's been doing he's been on the road. I think that's when you saw him in montreal Was doing solo supporting Maybe no no actually so he broke off from that pack and he did the acoustic set A few weeks ago Yeah, yeah, so he's just doing the acoustic on on a couple of side shows here and there when that group wasn't touring You know as as a package, you know, it's actually it's such a great show I mean because it's very mellow and john talks a lot. You really get to get a feel for his personality he's such a cool dude, you know like I mean literally One of the few musicians who's got he's got no ego. I mean you can basically you can Tell him whatever you want to tell him he's just like a rock, you know, but Um, he definitely with the dead days. He's we crank it up. We put on a show that We had we changed years with glenn. It was a different kind of a show It was more, you know, kind of a muso type of thing, but with john it's it's pure rock and roll and He's the emcee of the party, you know, he basically He wants people to have a blast with the band and And rock out, you know, that's what we do You know is amazing dug when you guys played munchie all and I'm sure you did this everywhere else First you played the music store, which was steve's if you remember or not Yeah, that's one of the you did a set you did a set there Right go ahead. Sorry. I was gonna say one of the most famous stores in the world steve's music um I have a t-shirt from that time actually but I still Still where I want to keep it nice in case they don't have any more when I come up there next time but Steve's music's famous. It's a great store and uh, they've they've always been, you know friends of ours If you don't have it, we don't need it. That's their motto on this shirt. At least that's what it was at one time You did a set in a music store during the afternoon, let's say at like three four o'clock And then you did your gig at night and you kept repeating that. I mean, is that burnout? I mean, don't you guys get burned out of playing and especially for john who's got to sing right? You know singing. I mean a lot of guys A lot of guys they won't even talk during this during the show day or in off days or whatever they'll just be like you know Yeah Like that, but um john's got a He's pretty much bulletproof. I mean he's it takes a lot For him to even say anything, but I think you know his voice was never burned out just Physically and mentally sometimes when you're on the road you get like One after another after another after another after never and it does sometimes get on you a little bit, but We uh on this now that john's back. We plan on taking good care of him. He's like You know john to me is a legend. I'm like I said, I've known him since we were kids Like you I was in the 10th grade when I met john which was many years ago obviously and uh He's he's legendary. I mean his his work with the scream I remember when that came out. Actually, he had a band before the scream they were playing in la around the same time I had a band called lion you're playing and and um He that band was great Uh And gora, I think they were called then he got the scream and they put a record out Yeah, and that's a killer album the blues boy on guitar and John algeretti from from badlands and some other guys. I forgot but um But yeah, then the motley crew story, which You know grunge came and wiped everybody out except for a motley crew Because basically they had a ace in the hole with john karate And that got that got them through that period where you know, they made a change and went a little darker a little heavier and And john's just he's hilarious too. I mean they were that was a really good record that they made I think And then obviously, you know, he's done all kinds of other stuff, but um The dead daisies is when I discovered him the last time was like I said that 2015 And and and to the songs that were chosen right and it first of all it it's the whole catalog It's like a little bit of everything Even the glenn hughes era And oh, yeah, of course and there's 200 least tracks for the people out there Were they from what sessions were they from? That's from the robby sessions, right? No, they were from the that's the glenn hughes era. I didn't hear them. That's why Yeah, you got to hear them. They're really cool. They're really cool So basically what happened is during the pandemic Everyone we had this album holy ground in the can that we wrote together and um We we it was a We thought it was a really strong album with glenn. It was our first album with him And pandemic it we couldn't really go on the road. So we wanted to hold off the release and it ended up we put out like We our first big single was going to be um Like no other that was going to be the big single And uh, we didn't want to give that away So we started with unspoken and that kind of became a underground single uh during the pandemic But we were stuck. We couldn't go anywhere. So glenn and I started writing a little bit and I helped him uh I kind of produced his vocals and demos and stuff and we worked up some songs and um I threw in some bits here and there but basically there was some stuff that glenn had and Those are two of the songs from that time They didn't make it on the radiance album not because they weren't great, but just because we didn't need them It was a different vibe. It was a little darker and deeper Vibed and you know with radiance. We wanted to just make it a straight up 70s kick-ass rock record And uh, those songs were very deep the healer Is probably one of the heaviest tracks that we've ever done. It's very dark and heavy, but it's super cool very cinematic And then uh, let it set you free is a beautiful melodic, you know song of hope kind of thing about the human condition and um Those are extra tracks on the best of the people will get to hear it and I'm glad they're coming out They're really cool songs You know Going back in time you're you're you're a you're a child of the sunset strip in a sense, right? You moved from the east coast to the west coast and you kind of like saw the early bands sort of come up, correct Yeah, the first the first band that I saw choir riot was already I think they were already It was what you're what were you what were you what year did you go to california or los angeles? It was 81 the end of 81. I got to california and so the first one of the first people I met was robin crossby from rap And super nice guy. He was a bit older than me and and um, but he he and I kind of just We just hit it off, you know, we were just we I'd see him. I never had his phone number anything, but we'd always Okay, you're breaking up right and I was kind of He took me under his wing a little bit because I was young There we go. How about now is that better? Yeah, it's better if you have anything open On your browsers. Just just shut them down with the exception of zoom Um, yeah Save that for later Um, we don't want any incidents Um No, but when I got to la I met robin crossby the king Yeah Cool, dude I saw a rat when they had jakey Lee on guitar. It was a four piece And motley crew was kicking around town. I saw them play a couple times Um, but then I got I didn't have any money really. I was working in a music store Um, but I didn't really have enough money to go out And I ended up getting a girlfriend and we started to be exclusive. So I didn't go out for a while and then I started playing with several bands around the strip and eventually was in a band called like I mentioned lion and We we got a we were not Everybody passed on us because we were definitely not the sunset strip sound. We were definitely more of a European kind of white snake thin Lizzie kind of thing Uh, and it wasn't You know, they were more interested in the glam sound I think or the The rock and roll like an aerosmith or guns and roses type of vibe So we got passed on but we finally did get a deal and um And then, you know, the rest is history. I went from that band Faltered and I really wanted it to happen. I got some offers to join other bands But I wanted to stay with that band But we we just got caught up in contractual problems And eventually broke up and then I started playing with a few other people here and there and And one thing led to another and finally when I got working with Ronnie James deal is when I really got out there and started to you know tour and Get a name for yourself, right? Yeah, I mean I kind of had a a little bit of a Rep, you know Around town for sure and then in certain places where lion had done well But did not did you see did you see wasp at their beginnings? I was at wasp very first la debut performance. I was in the audience and they had these Plastic bowls they call them tupperware And they they had the red meat in there and he was they had I'll never forget they just he just stopped the show or I forget I do forget what if he was playing or if they stopped it, but he just Oh, you're breaking up at the best part Doug we're breaking up A piece of nice steak red meat Check it out Sounds better You know what you're you're yeah, you're you're cutting you're cutting are you my am I cutting out? I think you froze You're frozen Doug can you hear me? Doug I would really froze So stand by everybody as we try to get Doug. I'm gonna try to get Doug back No worries. He's probably gonna dial back in this usually happens people usually freeze and then you know Merib you can see me. I'm went away for Doug Doug froze this is what usually happens the gas freezes And then they drop off and they pop back in but in the meantime you can pick up The dead daisies the best of It's gonna come out on August 18th, I believe on steam hammer Records I'm waiting for Doug to come back on that's right August 18th. You could buy the double CD or I believe it's a double vinyl as well 200 least tracks As we wait for Doug And I will guys tell us a story Jim Well, we can ask Doug about this. Oh, he's coming back. He's coming back. Hold on. Hold on He's coming back on Doug's connecting to audio Jimmy you're back You're back. Don't we I covered for you. I covered for you. I'm thank you. Thank you, bro. I'm on my fastest connection. I'm on the best Connect and I got Do me a favor Go to turn off your turn off your go ahead. Sorry Litchy Anyways, uh, where were we? You're you're you had a big Tupperware of meat and he was tossing them black. He was tossing them out to the audience Yeah, and I just said, you know, it was the red meat thing that lost for due I just said I wish that people would be throwing steaks out nowadays because just grab one and take it home Have a barbecue, but buddy people don't throw steaks out today You can't afford to throw steaks out into the crowds, right? People would have their barbecues ready um I'm gonna mention to you that I think it was it was Kathy and Chris Holmes who say hi by the way I'm not sure if you could even hear me anymore Doug Yeah, they're they're great Yeah All right, let us continue. All right. Let's go back to were there any other bands in the early days on Sunset Strip Can you hear me? All right All right, we're there Somebody put a piece of steak there. Were there any other bands in the in the early days that you're kind of like wow that Yeah, gonna make it Now I lost her audio Okay, go ahead Doug do this turn off your video check one two check check one two turn off your video for a second turn off your video Okay Okay, how about now? Yeah, okay, that's it. That's it. Okay. Check. So okay So are there any I'm gonna maybe find a picture of you and put you put a picture of you instead So this way, you know, we don't yeah, that's cool. So So you were asking about you were asking about other bands, right? Yeah, yeah so when I When I saw rat with robin and warren and those those guys That was like, okay, these guys they had some kick ass tunes, right? So It was pretty for sure that they were they were up level from a lot of bands Mm-hmm So that was the the main one there was um You know, I never really I never actually saw guns and roses, but I heard about them And uh, there was a big buzz about them Obviously poison poison used to play shows supporting lion actually and they got snatched up pretty quickly um Because they were just over the top, you know, that's what they were doing Brett And and cc they put on you know, a great song show and they're really cool songs for that kind of stuff but um After that kind of the dregs of the glam scene started coming out and It was nobody's I mean there was a lot of killer bands Armored st. Tough and all these bands but there was a bunch of other bands that were um Um Maybe just kind of tagging along for the ride and weren't doing it's something as original. Maybe I don't know So it got watered down a little bit and then eventually it went away That's when later bands started getting I remember philadelphia had a thing with bands Portland had a thing with bands We're like philadelphia had britney fox and it had um Cinderella in skid row All right, it's cool. All right. I mean two others. Sure. Okay, sort Eventually seattle Yeah, eventually seattle kicked in All right. Yeah, of course, of course So tell me quickly about uh, you know, you joined d.o. Which you know, we've talked about that in the past But for all those people who don't know, you know, you Did you have to actually let's go one step before like, you know, you auditioned for kiss, right? And I know you've told the story many times But do you remember what songs you you actually auditioned for kiss? This is like before they got vinny vincent. You were young lad back then, right? Right, right, right now. There was um It was um, I remember black diamond for sure Um firehouse for sure and I think the third one on the first go around was strutter I think okay Then I went back again a couple weeks later and played with them again and they had doctor love and Rock and roll Oh all night. I think it was no detroit rock city. It was detroit rock city Yeah, uh detroit rock city and doctor love of two more they wanted to jam on and And yeah, I was really you know, I was very young and I probably played the stuff okay but I think as a You know hanging out they could tell I was just a kid. I wasn't really ready to you know I'll tell you what jimmy the most important thing Other than playing when you're trying to you know work with other musicians Because it is close like close relationship is the hangout factor you can't you can't have like Some guy doesn't matter how brilliant the guy might be on his instrument or singing or whatever If you can't actually feel comfortable eating Lunch together or waking up and having a coffee together Just being normal together. Then it's not gonna work out the hangout factor is very important And you're young and they're older guys, right and they're rocking these guys were worldwide rock stars. I mean I I was just I was just they were I think the reason was is they were At that time everybody kind of got thought it was cool to find an unknown person Like whoa, where did they find this guy or that guy? So They did that they found vini vincent, you know, and he was the guy, but he was a bit older and um He was a great guitar player, but then it just Petered out Doug. Let me ask you this. So somebody wrote Chick eastwater says when was this makeup came off? No, this was this was at the time when they still had their makeup on They're looking for vini vincent or a guitar. Sorry they got vini vincent. Yeah, right? Were they planning a character for you or were you kind of thinking man, what kind of character would I like to be? This must have been gone through your head, right? Now I could be the ego. I could be the hawk I didn't even think about it. They would have made me a sheep or something. I don't know But no, I I never I didn't think about it. We but it was That's an interesting question because their makeup nobody had seen them without their makeup. So I felt It was hard for me to look them in the eye because I felt guilty like oh man I'm not supposed to look at them, you know, and and it was just The whole thing was just a little bit awkward for me. I didn't you know now I would just be like these are normal people. I'm a normal person. We all are doing our best Let's just play together and see how it feels. But when you're a kid I don't know if things get in your head, you know, and it gets in your way, but Um, yeah, they still had makeup and they came back out with makeup with Vinny being the ox or whatever it was. I forget Yeah, not the ox the uh, the uh, I know She's now that's simple stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, somebody's gonna write that in All right, I will repeat it but go ahead. Yeah Yeah So he's all rich. Yeah, but I mean there must have been like something man if I get into this pan, I'm gonna have to wear makeup I'm gonna wear this as well No, I'll tell you what was really the thing that blew me away the most Was playing through four martial stacks all plugged in all turned on and it was loud as hell and it was Like I was like that is the shit man. I loved it And that was also a cool thing. Um, it was really Eric Carr that Came to saw me play in a club and then he came back And then he called me at this music store. I was working at and said, okay I want you to come down to the record plant and meet the guys and But Eric, it's it's the angk warrior angk and kh warrior. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah okay, so yeah, he He was that and he did he did a great job. But I think You know, they were all the bands were looking for the eddie van halen type of guy They wanted a guy that could shred. I think, you know in hindsight I think keeping Like the ace vibe. I mean, obviously keeping ace would have been optimum but And because the ace is the ace is a great guitar player. I mean trying to learn those parts You know, I had been trying. I had been kind of getting into, you know, the the guys like Randy Rhodes and but also jimmy page and Tony Iomi and blackmore and eddie van halen and when I listened to ace freely, he was definitely It was he had his own thing and it was like really cool What was what's the most interesting part of ace is playing that intrigued you the most? Is it some sort of It was it was it feel a tone feel like what was it? It was a feel thing I mean, he kind of had he was closer to a jimmy page guy But he had a lot of cool parts that he would play if you listen to, you know, his parts On on those records. He's coming up with a lot of cool melodic things and simple effective parts really cool um You know, he's never probably been known to be A shredder in any way, but I and I think that's kind of what they were looking to do was to Compete with you know, if you remember that Ozzy was still out at that time and um And all these bands had hot shot guitar players. So that's what they were looking for You could have been that hot shot guitar player. I mean, jeez. Well, I I definitely could play but I mean like I said I was very young, you know, but I think they got a good guy with Vinny and they they did some good songs So I really liked the um Well, I love that that album that they did I think on creatures of the night they had a lot of guest musicians like the coolant brothers and um Some other people maybe denny probably played on it at some point They had some cool songs on that record. It's a great album War machine was on there and some other stuff. Yeah, good song Um, which when I was in the studio playing over Jean said hey, I want you to put a solo in this song and What would you play for this? Like kind of like we want to see what you would do with it and and I was listening to that riff And I was like, what key is this thing in man? I know I it's like it was it was kind of freaking me out a little bit and I started playing something and And jean goes what what if you try some major scale on that and I said, what's that? and he goes He goes do re mi fa so and I go. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay And I kind of recreated that to my michael schenker like major pentatonic Again with minor pentatonic and that's what I played on that In the studio as a reference my solo is not on the album. It was just they were just no, no, no Yeah, yeah, they were just they were sort of auditioning you with the material that they had recorded That's what you're trying to say, right? Yeah, yeah Yeah, and well because we don't want to hear the news tomorrow. Doug Ulrich played on creatures of the night No, but it was it was then they'll be like pictures of you, you know with your face on creatures of the night You know, that's funny, man No, I it was a good experience and I was grateful for the opportunity and it really kicked me in the ass like Hey, I definitely I got something going so I got a really Now kicking the gear and start really trying to work hard and learn music more You know learn more about music because when jean tells you to play a major scale and you're like, what's that? It's not good. I'm well. I'm basically playing from the My heart my ear, you know, so that's You don't really know what you're doing at that time when you're a kid. I guess sometimes I'm pretty sure, you know, ace was not a student of music either, right? He wasn't somebody who was trained I think he just played like you right. He kind of learned how to uh, Yeah, but I'm pretty sure if you said ace played the major scale he could probably do it but he he's definitely uh, and God bless him, man. He's still kicking ass out there right now. For sure. For sure. Absolutely. All right. So you're you're in deal I mean, you know, we've talked about the deal years before in the past but You know, uh, tell me about, you know, ronnie. He's jamming in your your room there. You're in dug's snug your jam room That's what somebody wrote but yeah, you know, I mean You're coming over and you know what I put on uh killing the dragon Recently and wow, you know, there's some good stuff there. Like it's sort of like the dark horse album that people, you know need to get It is it's a cool album. It's it's ronnie's return to you know, kind of straight up melodic heavy rock, you know and and heavy metal and it was um You know a transition year because that's when I came in and Craig Goldie left and Mm-hmm jimmy bain Still in the band and simon and scott warren And it was a it was a blast man I've got such great memories of that of going in the studio with ronnie and just feeling like immediately I was part of a family You know You've played with some great voices man when you think about it david caradale ronnie james deal glenn hughes Of course karabi, right? You played with the best Voices of them all. I mean, what was the coolest thing about deal that you were surprised to uh You know, you know, you met him. You go. Wow. I didn't know he was like that What was that? What was that moment? What was that thing about him that you didn't you never you go man? I didn't know he wasn't like that there was a lot of him a lot of him jimmy he he was He was a really simple down-to-earth cat. You know he You go to his house to have a meeting or to write some music or to to you know, whatever discuss something and He would be you go up You you he would never come to the door You would just go in his garage and go upstairs next to his studio And go and just go to the kitchen because he was always in his kitchen And he'd be sitting there or standing there In the morning listening to sports radio, you know, and he loved he loved American football and he would He'd be listening to you know, the sports guy on a little it was a little transistor radio. It was like old school And he loved it and then he'd be like, okay, right. Let's get to work and we'd go in the studio or do whatever we had to do But I loved that he was so down-to-earth and he was a no BS guy man. He everything Was straight up with him. You didn't have to guess. I don't know a lot of people like we've all had Those people in our lives that you either work with through your friends with or You're dating or whatever and you can't figure out where they're at. Like are they are they okay? Are they pissed off? Are they happy? Like what's where are we at? Like Is she gonna break up with me tomorrow? You don't know with Ronnie It was new you knew it you you were comp he made everybody better for that because he you were He would make you feel confident and strong and he would encourage you to be the best you could be that's That's the greatest, you know takeaway from anybody that's gotten to work with Ronnie Is uh, you know, and he he learned from the best. I mean he was working with amazing musicians even prior to working with blackmore, but You know, did he do crossword puzzles all the time? Better and I loved his work ethic, you know, he he loved he loved to rehearse. He'd be the first one there and last to leave Um, you there still? Yeah, sorry You know, I just I'm just trying to see if it's he liked crossword puzzles He liked to watch like game shows and he liked to you know trivia I know that much, right? At least He probably had an IQ 130 plus who knows where it was, but He was very intelligent and he did he sat there when I was recording guitars on killing the dragon. He sat there For a couple weeks while I was doing my work, but basically every day he'd be sitting doing crossword puzzles the whole day While work was going on That's pretty cool. Yeah, you know, that's why he the spoken word or the written word was very important to him Right, you really had a good grasp as a craft he had some he had some I mean the stuff the rainbow stuff the the deal stuff the Sabbath stuff It was all It was just It was incredible, you know, I mean Really For me the greatest heavy metal singer Yeah, me too me too me too um When you like I've even asked you this before in the past, but I'll elaborate so magica there's there was one song that was That was released electrica. Is that it? Yeah, it was electrica in 2012 Wendy's saying there's still some more songs that were demos I know there's been a lot of talk about this has been there has there been any progress Of releasing these demos or reworking them? Uh, that you know of Yeah, okay. Well, first of all, so electric was part of what was going to be a next album for Ronnie, but he basically Came up with electric to promote the tour that he wanted to do at the end of 2009 He was going to release Re-release killing the dragon and a live show that we did from that tour and um That song was going to promote the album and the tour and it was going to be this whole thing and then he got sick He got he found out he was Had cancer so it all went away, but the song electra Did come out and it was Pretty cool, man But prior to electra He had another song that and i'm sure he had lots of bits of songs and maybe a few that were completed But he did give me a completed song prior to electra that he wanted to be the the promotional track And then he he basically moved away from that and we went with electra instead, but I had that track and I I put a solo on it and Didn't have a title but um I had it and I talked to Wendy about it and I mean we never she never You know To be fair, I didn't go over and play it for her but I did talk to her about it on the phone and And then she kind of wasn't ready to listen to anything like that at that point Years went on And and I and then I ended up doing a renovation at my house and I took those hard drives and I put them in storage so at the moment There's talk that wendy wants to put out some stuff Some unreleased stuff next year in 24 with Ronnie including um remake of the track that he sent me which I am still in the process of finding it and Wendy texted me last week and said You know any luck and I said I'll get it. Wendy. I'll get I just have You know dozens of hard drives that I need to go through to find it and um And once I do I'll give her the track and I'll either record it with her and them or somebody else will but it was it was haunting because It was Ronnie playing bass and playing rhythm guitar with the drum machine and singing and the vocal was just It's haunting man really crazy, you know like kind of you know, it's funny when you're in munch y'all we interviewed you in munch y'all I asked you about the track just quickly and you go oh man, I got it upstairs on my laptop Yeah At the time you had it on your laptop four years ago or five years So yeah, maybe it's on that laptop I it's not I did check that but because so I did the renovation during you know, 2020 when everything was shut down. I wanted to to um Get my you know expand my house a little bit and clean it up and get new stuff And so I wanted to pack everything up nice and neat and get it out of here because when there's construction You know, it would have hard drives would get dusty and all that so I um Including That computer was all backed up on hard drives. So I'll get I'll find it and I hope Wendy has some other kick-ass stuff I really do because that would be pretty cool to hear an album Leave them an album of unreleased Unreleased stuff that was original music and or You know some really cool versions. I mean I can only imagine there's got to be some Cool stuff that they did with maybe they didn't use with um With um I would think there is she told me when you go she's got like a garage full of stuff, you know to go through Well now we're losing your audio G You're breaking up We're not having a good day. Are we? No, man, you're breaking up jimmy jimmy jimmy. I can hear you now. Yes. Okay. Here we go Man, we're not having a good day. It's not. It's okay. It's all right. Like I replaced you with a picture Of the dead daisy. So at least that's that's good. Let's just let's just ask Ronnie Ronnie quit fucking around Give us a good connection bro. Come on man Ronnie can do it Come on Ronnie. Come on Ronnie from the heavens Come on Ronnie. Give us a good connection Okay, let's let's flip over to a david carver dale You know, you get the gig with this guy. This guy's like royalty, right? You walk in you're like man This is david carver dale. It's like wow. Oh my lord. What was it about him that you were so surprised to learn about? um he was uh He's a gentleman, you know, I mean, I wasn't surprised about anything I knew I knew about him I was a big fan of his work and I knew about the early white snake even though it wasn't really readily available in the u.s. But I knew about it from my first What would the band lion the singer cal swan? had been a fan of early white sick and he had all those albums come get it ready and willing and love hunter and a bunch and so He and I just hit it off because he was happy that I knew that stuff and and I Talked to him about like, you know Eventually putting some new music out and trying to bridge the gap between europe and the us or the You know us in canada Which was more of the glam era of white snake versus europe, which is more the blues based And that's when we started to try and develop a sound that we kind of crossed into both those And um, I thought we came up with some really cool stuff Yeah, forevermore is a great album It's like, uh, it's fresh There was one before that called good to be bad, which I actually back I actually really like that even better because that was the first album that he and I did Yeah, you know Like that was where the pressure was we were like, okay Nobody's heard a new white snake for a long time. So this better be good, you know and we Were I was sitting in my room here and I had this This thing with three chords And I and I had it in my mind. I just was like tell me baby. I went Tell me baby. Wow. Wow. What's on your mind? And I told that to david And he was sitting right behind me in the chair that I'm in right now And and I'm he goes play it and I started playing and he and he sang it He sang my little goofy words that I made up which And and my the hair on the back of my neck stood up with that covered up voice And it was just like damn that is just so We we would get together to write and there would be always After a week there'd be at least two Maybe if we had a bad week it'd be one song But we you would always come away with two maybe two and a half songs Maybe three one time we did three In a week we'd write and demo together and it sounded like a record. I mean these demos were like Killer and david gets so into it. He'd be like, yeah, let's let's overdub it hard. Let's do this Let me put a harmony, you know grab your guitar. Let's try something out. Can you put something? you know blah blah blah and it was So he'd walk out of here or I'd walk out of his studio with a cd of these couple songs And then you'd are the drive from my house to his house was about seven or eight hours And you'd basically just listen to that thing over on repeat and by the time you got home. It was like, yeah this is white snake, you know and It was exciting because it was brand new stuff that we knew nobody had ever heard and we just created it and it was cool My good stuff. I should also mention you the dead days are going on tour, right? in Yeah, we're gonna come to Canada and we're gonna come see you man August 22 It starts in, uh, Pennsylvania, right back to back to the roots Back at back to Pennsylvania back my family's gonna be there or you know, my Family that's able to be there will be there and we got yeah, we got Pennsylvania. We got um Jersey right after Toronto, Canada and you're doing London, Ontario, Canada You're doing after that Kitchener. Wow. You're doing a lot of can eat Hamilton then Montreal then Ottawa That's pretty cool, man. Then you're going. Oh, then you go to vancouver Then you go to west coast. It's my first time going to Ottawa. I can't wait Well, auto is like a little mini london You know, they have their parliament building, right? They have their parliament building in london Well, auto has got a little bit smaller than that. So it kind of reminds you of london I'm extremely excited about Canada. It's been it's been a long time. I think the last time we were there was maybe 17 or something I'm not sure Yeah, but yeah, very excited. I always love to cross the border and get into that great country and I actually, um Montreal is one of the great rock and roll cities in the world I mean, I got a lot of friends in Montreal A lot of musicians that I know come from there and they're it's it's like a real It's a rock and roll town like in in the same way that like boston is for for Nashville is a real town now like Montreal's Got some of the greatest fans. I remember playing. I think it's called bell center Yeah, yeah with white snake and scorpions and It was It was insane, man. It was like that's that's a real like this is really a rocking rocking town Yeah, when you guys play here with the dead daisies They love much allers love the dead daisies. Actually, well, we love you guys. We can't wait. We're coming back we want everyone to come out and We're gonna have a huge party I mean, I want to see that place sold out. I want to have everybody come out We're gonna have a blast. I mean Carabi'll be there. That's that's worth the price of admission right there. And then you got brian tisci on drums Right to she right to she is pound for pound my favorite drummer In of all time. Okay, and why I'm saying yeah, I mean, I love john bonham. I love cozy pal Tommy albridge all these people but Brian is just he's just amazing And then we've got david lowey and I on guitar and we got the new guy michael devin Who is our secret weapon? he's Young and sexy as hell And he plays great. He sings great And he's he's he's like a he's like a Secret weapon for sure for us Is there anything else you want to mention to everyone I think you pretty much covered everything Well, we're just thankful for you know our fans and which are really friends We've made a lot of friends over the years and we've got you know a bunch in canada all over the world But you know, like I said going to canada has been a long time coming. You know A lot of it just like canada is a sacred place just like you know in the way like japan is it's it's not easy to get there sometimes because You know they're if you're You know, it's just a little difficult to cross that border sometimes and and like I say same with japan or australia Those are countries that are always really like it's they're careful about you know letting a band come in They want to make sure everything's cool of course I mean, what kind of trouble could we make I'm not we're not going to do anything We just want to kick ass, you know and play rock Turn out turn on your video again. Let's see if the video is going to work now turn on your video if you can Let's see Let's see. Okay. Hey, there it is There it is. Okay. Let's see if it gets choppy. Does anybody else out there who's watching have any questions for dug as we reach the final Five or ten minutes if anybody has any questions. No people have been texting as we've been going along And uh, I kept there was a picture of you in the dead days is instead of you know your video But I hope just to keep things a little more stable in terms of connection. I have to think quick on my feet my friend See again, you're freezing up Well, there we go again right See every time you turn your video on is it isn't still is it still frozen? No, it's it's not frozen now. Sorry about that. No, that's I don't it's all good man. It's all good um If anybody has any questions new album, okay somebody uh Brandon saying is there a new album in the works? Are you writing material for a new album new dead days is album? As you answer that question turn off your video. We'll go back to the non video Wait a minute Steve Okay, are you back am I back you're back you're back. So I just switched. I just switched to a different, um Source maybe it'll be better. I don't know. All right. Go ahead new album. Are you writing new material for the new dead days album? Well, we've all got some I'm sure we've all got some risks the cool thing about when we write together we do it in person and we do it with five guys and um I I would say, you know, there's a there's a good chance you might hear a song or a few Maybe next year. Um, we'd love to do that With we've got I would love to hear, you know, karabi and devin together, you know their vocals together on an album You're gonna hear it live so, um Let's see what happens, you know, right now we're focused on the best of album and promoting that and basically You know getting an opportunity to come to play for everybody at this point Can you ask dug? How was it working with wasp on the crimson idol album? I think you played one song on that one Can you ask dug? How was it like working with wasp on the crimson idol album? It was interesting. I he I think blacky had been gone had gone through a few different Guys on that album trying to get an elusive sound that was in his head and He called me and I went in And I did uh, I played on like two or three songs actually, but only ended up making on one Mm-hmm, and he called blacky was that was a strange hang by that time. I had been doing some sessions I've been around a little bit. So I was comfortable But blacky was he liked it being a little bit uncomfortable. I think he he liked it just being that I'm blacky lawless I am the bot I'm the man, you know and so he I'd play something and I'd be like I'd be really happy with it Which I'm a perfectionist so it's Not easy for me to be happy with something, but he would like go Yeah, that's pretty cool. But you know, can you try something else? I'm like, okay. What do you got in mind? he'd be like, I don't know play something and So I was I just I did my best and I was like, okay cool and he goes good good Um, if frankie banelli was there, I think too and he was like, yeah, yeah, I love it And a couple days later, maybe it was a week. Maybe there's two weeks later. I get a call from blackie and he goes, hey, Doug um I wanted to try some different stuff on that. Um A couple of those things or whatever and I was like Well, I mean Okay, but yeah, I mean, yeah, and it wasn't a big It wasn't a big budget to begin with. He was you know, he had Been working on this album and didn't have a lot of money left, I guess And so he said, well, you know, I just want you to come back and play I'm like, well, do you have I mean like can we consider this like another day of recording He was he was like No, I mean I already paid you for the songs And I was like, no, I know but you were happy with it when I left. What happened? He goes, well, I just got some new idea and I want to try it again and I don't know. I think I had some other stuff going on. I was just like blackie look man I'm happy to come in and play but I mean, I need this is my gig. I got a You know, so it didn't it didn't work out. I just said if you got a budget of any kind call me Back and he said no, I'm really you know point you to come in and play again It's already paid you and so we got a little bit of a standoff there and I just said, okay, well Let me know, you know, okay and I Eventually I found out that he used one of the solos so And trust me, he's still got a deal for the one solo. I mean it wasn't you know And it wasn't about that anyways, I definitely wanted to do the session and I was excited about it But it was you got to eat everyone's got to eat right everyone's got to pay bills, right? Yeah, and then but there's been a lot of times when I do stuff on You know on on spack they call it on spack I'll do stuff as a favor because I because I care about you know what somebody's doing or I got extra time and I'm free and I was like, okay I'm not you know I'm happy to do it, you know, but um I was probably busy and just didn't have the time But I do like playing on other people's things sometimes when I you know when I of course when you can Jim Harrison goes a black he got the two for one deal Yeah You know what that's how it goes that's rock and roll That's rock and roll jimmy. I mean hey, that's rock At least I got on there. That's cool. I'm part of the wasp history history That's it. I mean to me wasp is only it's blackie and chris holmes to me Those were the two guys that made wasp what wasp is and the legacy of wasp You know and another cool, you know All the rock stars that I've met I've met a lot I've met so many of my heroes and a lot of them are really great. Sometimes they're This doesn't go as well as you hope whatever but but chris holmes is a sweet He's a sweet man. He's a really down-to-earth guy as crazy as he plays in his he's uh You know, he's been around the block and he's he's a wild man on stage But he's a really normal down-to-earth person good dude I just saw chris in london and chris is the kind of guy he always has a story He always got a story and you got to listen to his story. He always got these great stories And he's so passionate about his stories too. He's a really nice guy. I got a story of chris We I before I knew chris Or around Now I had already done the wasp thing, but I don't even think we got into that because We were I I was going to japan for Something by myself wasn't with the band. I was going to japan to do a session. I think There's something like that and chris was on that flight and I don't know how we I don't know how we got to be sitting next to each other But in the end we were we were in business class and somehow he was like And at this time at that time business class was just slightly better than economy Yeah, and at that he goes. Hey, man, let's let's go to the back of the jet Let's go in the very back row and I and he was like He wanted he was trying to write a little postcard for leader ford And he's like I need I need to talk to you man. I got to get your advice I got to have somebody I can trust And he's writing this love letter postcard and I said well, that sounds pretty good chris I thought it was really really cool that he was handwriting postcard to his girlfriend or a wife I'm not sure if they're married or whatever I thought that's He was he was definitely pounding some drinks at that point we both were and we got into We got into uh, japan and we were going through customs and He was kind of lit by that point and he started talking to some japanese people And i'm like dude. No, no, no, don't say that, you know, he's like ah, fuck it, you know It was funny now in in hindsight it was funny, but you know Nowadays if you say something you say the wrong thing in an airport you're banned for life, but Um, we got through customs and it was all good. I mean they let him in I'm mind you He's such a massive guy. They were probably just in awe of him, you know, he's like so tall and blonde hair and Tat I guess he had tattoos or work But uh, yeah, he's like six. He's like six six Yeah, compared to the average height of japan, right? I saw him a couple years back in in um In france, I think we were as he lives there and yeah We didn't really get to hang out. It was one of those dead days these nights where we were kind of Rushing in and rushing out and I just got to say hi to him. We took a photo together just fun and That was it, but yeah, it's definitely down to earth person Yeah, kathie's wife is amazing too. They're both a great couple and a great people and uh, super nice met This is rushy six seven says med dug at a guitar clinic with Rep beach near manchester a few years back. He was so jet lagged. What an amazing night a true gentleman Of rock signed my lion cd. Thanks I never well I'll never forget that night bro. That was so cool But yeah, I was so basically we had been in japan And white snake had played in japan. We were going directly to europe and we were putting out a live album with four new songs on it and um And so But the mixes that we were getting from la weren't good enough and so david said I need you to go back and work with the mixer the engineer We had a couple days off so I went back here to la and I worked and tried to help out And so I had the last minute caught a flight from la to um to manchester and I slept the entire flight It was crazy, but I was still like just my head was spinning I mean I got I landed that morning and then I went in my room took a shower And we had the clinic and it was it was a lot of fun, you know It was um We flipped the coin who would go first reps that okay, I'll go first and then And then we ended up jamming at the end, but it was really fun Jay says I'm sorry Not just gonna say me and rep we did a couple of those things over the years. It was fun Jay says in the 80s, I would always confuse him and And the bassist that bassist I would be writing names. Oh, I'm gonna try to get this straight here Aldridge and tommy as Aldrich All the days when I was up people getting confused with Aldridge and Aldrich Right, so that's what you're trying to say. A lot of people. Yeah, it's normal. I mean the for the most part I get people will say Aldridge Doug Aldridge and they won't even think of it even if they know the spelling Um, but it's pronounce Aldrich Aldrich like rich like richie rich Yeah, Aldrich versus Aldridge and uh, tommy We I would always get people ask me like, hey, what's up with your brother, man? How's he doing? I'm like Hey, I didn't know tommy had a younger brother Chick Eastwater says what's the biggest difference working with Ronnie and with David Carverdale? um but There's a lot. I mean, there's some some funny things, but Basically, uh, who was funnier. Was Ronnie James deal funnier than David Carverdale or vice versa? Yeah, they're both they're both in a league of their own. They're they're both hilarious. I mean Ronnie We would you know with Ronnie It was all of us and the crew on one bus and we'd have these parties where we would just be drinking wine You know cracking jokes and farting and just like it was just hilarious I mean Ronnie would do the funniest stuff when he was you know, had a couple glasses of wine or a couple beers or whatever and uh David is um He's larger than life. I mean he would it would be you know, you'd go shopping or something and I remember this one time David He had his own bus by himself with his assistant and he arrived earlier in um Somewhere I I can't remember where it was, but he arrived early and he checked into his room and he would have his his assistant set up his room with candles and blah blah blah and They went out shopping afterwards and when you go shopping with David He would say oh, of course you're gonna afford that now. Look at I pay you well, you know, and be like Okay, Douglas. You're a snake now. You can afford it. Get it. It looks brilliant on you And but I was a job with the media. I got to the hotel and there was fire trucks there and And uh, they they made us come out of our rooms We had just gotten in our rooms. They made us come out And there was a fire up on the penthouse suite and David's trying to get in and the Firemen are like no you can't come in. He's like what what's all this? David coming out. I'm in the top floor and they're like, oh the top floor. That's where the fire is Well, apparently his assistant had lit lit a candle in the bathroom that melted down and Melted the toilet seat and then the whole toilet exploded somehow. I don't know how that works but David and I I was coming out of the hotel on David. They won't let me and Douglas said, you know somebody one of you And at the time I was smoking cigarettes. It was one of your smokers must have set a fire, you know It's a great invitation. I love that invitation. And I was like, I don't even have I didn't even have a chance to light up a cigarette in my room. I just got there. We just got here And he's and it turns out it was his room that had the fire and it was it was a funny thing, but Um, but no, he's he's hilarious. We you know David Did he always call you Douglas? No, sorry Douglas Well, anybody he would call you james and see he wouldn't say james. Yes james Here's the scenario james. We're going to have a nice interview and I'm going to tell you all sorts of interesting tidbits and Coming straight from my short and curly is down here and you know, he does he's just like He's amazing Are you still in touch with him? Actually, I am I I actually just You know, it was interesting. Um Because now michael devin and brian and I are in the dead daisies. Yeah, yeah So it's kind of like a little mini part of of white snake era and um, I talked to him about I said, hey I sent him a picture of the three of us. I go to dc could you Would you do me a favor and post this, you know, we're doing some shows and just, you know Put your stamp on there like hey go see my boys And he did and he did it and I was really grateful about it and um So, yeah, I we're in touch. We you know, he'll send me these joke things He's super into if you follow him on like twitter or whatever especially twitter. I notice he puts Tons of posts every day and it's a lot of really funny stuff A lot of weird stuff, whatever, but he's uh, he's into it and I still remember when twitter came out. He was like, what's this Good thing, you know, and I'm like, well, it's like, I don't know what it is exactly, but It's kind of something everyone's doing. So I'm gonna try it out and when he did We've kind of joined by jove. I love this. Is that what it is? Yes Yeah Yes, of course twitter. I love it It's it's a it's a wonderful outlet these four. How about darling? Does he call everybody darling? Yeah, I love it Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone's everyone's darling He would he would call me sweet prince Yeah, but it was a very nice thing. He would say, Douglas my sweet prince I need you to come up here to like Tahoe and we're going to resume our crafting That's when you know, you spend a lot of time with someone or you can imitate them Well, he's just got it. He's just he's large in life. So it's just like and we're yeah, you're around somebody a lot You can do it. I I you know, there's nothing like the real thing. I'll tell you what would blow me away the tone of that guy's voice what it sounds like you put a mic on there and You know, you you got a good voice, but I don't really have a great voice So like I could go on you give me the most expensive microphone and it would still sound like just kind of lot But david man, he just had this barking voice. It was just like Walk, you know, and it it just really cut really nicely and cut through And the other funny thing about coro when we were we would be you know Now he's got an engineer and stuff, but he would send me in the studio and be like Let's I really like these rough mixes you've been doing. Why don't you do a mix for the album? I'm like I don't know how to do that. I was working with a drum machine before and this is like real drums I don't know anything. I he's I trust you Douglas. You can do it and I I go down I spent like three weeks in his in his studio and I finally figured out how to get a drum sound kind of I think you know and worked out in the end, but um He would then we were mixing and he would go like, okay, the mix sounds great But tuck the vocal then a little bit though. I want to be part of I want to be part of the The orchestra don't make me stand out. I want to be part of the And I'm like, okay Let's bring it down a little bit and I'm like, but DC your David Coverdale The record company is going to be pissed if they can't hear you, you know, and he'd say Oh, you know forget that or whatever. So he would basically ask me like hey, he would say Let's let's go ahead and turn the guitars up. I'm like, I know but I turned the vocal down already He goes, well, let's try it. Just just try it. I turn the guitars up. Okay. Good Do you think we're losing the bass a little bit? I'm like, I think the bass sounds good. Maybe, you know, maybe difference on the guitar, so you know Nah, fuck it. Bring the bass up I'm like Okay Miss I'm losing the kick drum and the snare I'm like, I know because we raised everything and bring give them a give them a bit of love Douglas So he raised them up and like then he would say I believe the vocal is a bit shy now, Douglas And I'm like, yeah, it is very shy right now because everything else came up. It was already shy in the beginning Let's put it back up where it belongs and so everything just got louder and louder And that's how it was funny. It went like that, you know, but I wasn't, you know, experienced enough to know like what how to To really deliver a proper mix. I can do it sort of I can get lucky But I mean the guys that do it for real, they know what they're doing and And uh, you gotta play it on different systems, right? You play it in your car You gotta play it on the speakers you just to understand any because what you're hearing on your headphones and you're hearing on your speakers are two different mixes Oh man, and we do it realities do that We burn a cd and we go in the car and we listen to it We go into do all these different setups and try it and stuff and It was by the time, you know, I mean for me by the time I listened and worked so much on something I have no perspective left. It's like I don't have that that's another problem too Yeah, I wouldn't know if it was like a Grammy award-winning mix or a piece of crap. I wouldn't know it's like I think it's you know rocks. It's loud. I don't know. I mean it's And I still second-guess stuff, you know from years ago. I hear I'll hear stuff. I'm like Why do we do it like that because it would have been much better if we would have And I want the thing that bones me out the most Is on certain tracks over the years It'll be like and I remember going hey, can we bring the guitars up just a touch And then when I listened to I'm like The freaking guitar is too loud. It would be a perfect mix if I hadn't asked for that, you know Nobody notices that stuff except the person that is in in deep in it, but There's some stuff that's hard to listen to because this is like We had it and we lost it but that we ran out of time or ran out of money or whatever and that's what it is what it is You know what that's that's hard, you know, you're always chasing that perfect song or sound right and you're always it's a constant Right, it's never because what you like today Was probably not the same thing that you like 20 years ago, you know that maybe you recorded something right Maybe it's coming around a little bit though. Jimmy. I'm actually starting to go back to you know, like I was just I just started a collaboration with black star amps and They're making some really cool. I mean there's a plug right there Yeah, that's where I was just I was playing through and um um But they've got an rd rnd group of people that are really coming up with really cool things and So it started to get my wheels turning and I'd hear other people do some stuff and So I've been kind of going back to I want to get I heard a video clip of um randy roads. It was just this insanely crazy distorted sound but it was like it didn't sound It's just sounded big and warm, but it was over the top crazy. I mean remember when randy would turn his volume up it would squeak and go and I went through a period like that and I'm just experimenting with I'm kind of going full circle. I want to Get some of those toms out of that black star and it's able to do that I'm just kind of learning the amps right now, but they're really really awesome All right, that's a great plug for black star once in a while. Yeah full circle Absolutely, you know what we I guess I guess we go full circle as humans on everything is because we always want to remember the past You know, it always brings us the happiest times are when you're you're younger, right? So that's why we always go full circle on everything movies on music Uh on that note. All right, man, you know, we've been talking for about an hour and 22 minutes Probably 20 minutes of it. There was no there was just a picture of you, but it's all good Yeah, it's all good Buddy, this is like live this is like rock and roll like you go on stage just gonna happen Stings strings are gonna break video is gonna go You gotta keep going Well, you know what it kind of bones me out is that I think this other this other frequency thing, but we're not friends. It's other Wi-Fi channel channels the right word. Yeah, we don't we don't seem to be having the same problem No, we're not we're good Because the other one's supposed to be the fastest one, but I think what it does it it it automatically moves to the channel with the least amount of traffic. That's what it does okay, well and What John Croy would say in a situation like this is whatever Ravi we got to do a radio show at 7 a.m. Then we're going to be on jimmy short, too Then we're going to do a meet and greet at six. Then we're going to do a two hour show then we're going to do a A Meet and sign whatever after all right, man, and you guys want to kick my ass cool. Whatever Whatever Anyway, we look forward to seeing you guys come see us we're going to rock out together and Montreal always kicks ass the whole tour is going to be great Yeah, yeah, so august the 18th the double CD and vinyl that's coming out the best of a decade I think it's called a decade Yeah, it's a decade of the dead daisies Just you know a few bits and pieces from each record Representing, you know There's a bunch of good tunes on there and it kind of lines up Similar to what our live show is going to be so And I've seen you guys and I got to say man, you guys kick some serious, but The songs that well they're chosen They're just you know you put the song even when you put on a dead daisies album They're all every every track is like you guys just it's so I don't know what how to describe it, but it's it's Maybe the word is refreshing to hear something so Honest and and and raw, but produced at the same time. I don't know what it is. I think it's just great rock and roll That's what it comes down to overall. I can say this We are very blessed and grateful to be doing what we do and it's it's a huge privilege to be able to travel and go to another country or Even just be able to to Play music and and make a living doing it, you know, it's like a serious blessing, so Thanks, you guys. Thanks everybody and um, we'll see you out there Okay, the tour starts and the last note august 22nd in pennsylvania and it goes it's for the month of august basically all the way down from the east coast all the way to the west September we're gonna be we're gonna wrap it up. I think in los angeles at the roxy theater And then we have a little time off and we go to japan Going to europe they're gonna have another little break and then we go back to europe And we wind up halfway through december. We'll come home for the year and on that note Whatever All right, thanks. All right jimmy. Thanks. Thanks to everybody and uh See you see you in person a few weeks