 Yes, I got it all right. Good to go. Let's rock and roll here. So the 6th of April 2023 hyper ledger supply chain and trade finance special interest group illuminating session today and what projects we want to work on for the rest of 2023 or at least for part of 2023. So thanks everybody for joining either. Live here in working through the problems associated with zoom that Tomas will dig into thank you Tomas as well as for those folks who are listening to a recording here. So what are we going to do here is let me first share my screen here and show an agenda. And everyone, it looks like there are several people posted to link to the LinkedIn that they couldn't get in. So I've just shared the revised link there as well. Okay, we may see a few more people join. Okay, that's good. Let's let me get to the agenda here and then share that screen. Let's do that. Okay, so first off in a trust policy, anything we share, please don't share anything confidential here and also everyone who has joined and even the people in recording. If you want to come back, you're all welcome and we value all of your inputs and thoughts and ideas here. So, upcoming events, April 23 GS one, which is obviously very important from the supply chain perspective visibility summit visibility is obviously continuing hot topic in supply chain there. So we have that announcements Eric. When was it last week two weeks ago you talked in Toronto at the hyper ledger Toronto and talked about supply chain. Anything you want to say about that. It was fun. I met people. Yeah. We had a bunch of folks in the room. It was an in person event which was great that actually see and meet people. A lot of technically inclined people as well who are interested in supply chain which was fun, because in these calls I think we're pretty much more on the on the supply chain side. And the gold community seems to be interested, which is exciting. And, and yeah, met met some folks and had a little glass of wine at the end of the evening and enjoyed it very much. Some Tuscan wine I suppose. No, unfortunately, not Sandra, but hold tight. We'll have that in a couple of weeks. You learn nothing so far. Come on. Oh man now we all got to represent our wine there. Okay, good. Thanks Eric there. We were going to have a tool and on who's a PhD candidate has put something out on the wiki has a survey as part of his research here adoption of blockchain and supply chain management. Probably do some of the difficulties he hasn't been able to join us today so we'll look to have him on in future to go back to the wiki pages you can see his post is probably about a month or so ago. A number of us have taken the survey, provided some feedback to, to him, it was probably, I don't know Eric, I know you took it I think it was, it was probably like 1015 minutes something like that to go through. Not even. Yeah, so I'd encourage everyone to do that and help a tool out as he's doing the work there to hopefully become a PhD doctor a tool then. Okay, so that moves us to discussion. And today there's no presentation this is really a discussion and glad everyone has joined here here. So, we've talked pre on previous sessions, and you've seen a little bit on the wiki going back and forth here. And what we're, what we're planning right now is to do an ebook project, very similar for this specific sake here, very similar to the one that was done on central bank digital currencies. And let's let me see if I can share if it'll pop up and share that screen yes. So they're what there's one there's actually two of them out there. The first one was done on central bank digital currencies and we just want to give everyone an example of what this thing looks like, because you hear the word ebook and you think lots of text 7080 pages, etc, etc. And it's more of a high level, get people one interested in hyper ledger to that there's value valuable case studies out there in in blockchain with supply chain and trade finance. And so you see here, the kind of the structure of these ebooks here. Introduction a little bit about hyper ledger foundation a little bit about, you know, this is where there's going to be some work here a little bit about, in our case to be supply chain trade finance, what are some of the value props, etc, etc. For blockchain and specifically the hyper ledger projects there. And then these community work with CDBC's and hyper ledger CDBC is in our case again supply chain and trade finance. What are some successful examples out there that we want to highlight. And, you know, we already have a few that have presented on these calls that we should be able to share like the DLT labs story with Walmart Canada. I think Andrea, the story with UAE trade connect. That was a great story and it was value associated with that, etc. So, this is the flow of the idea here. We're hoping just to kind of a timeline here. I said earlier through the rest of the year. Ideally, this is something and you'll be able to the link is in the agenda. So I'm going to go back to the agenda here. The link is in the agenda. So go click on that. And you can download the ebook. We're thinking that with an appropriate set of people working on this, that we would be able to complete it in good form by the end of June. Now, things always take longer than we think, but the goal here is not to have this drag out to December, not to have this be turned into something intergalactic that takes us to December, September, something like that. Hopefully, we know Andrea can enjoy his August vacation. When he's off of the whole month, Mr Europe there. Sorry, sorry, Andrea, it was too easy forget about that. It was too easy. It was too easy. I mean the rest of this country is going to be off. Yeah, there you go. So anyway, yeah, so the goal is, again, not to have a drag out for a long time or have a create a lot of extra work here. It's let's follow the template the pattern that's been established, and then drive that out. So let me stop there and see what questions what thoughts people have or Alicia, Andrea, or Tomas or Danielle I see you've raised your hand you're welcome to say something also about this. Yep. So I agree with the timeframe. And we want to keep it, you know, as not as intensive for all of you as possible. The other thing is take a look at the India at regional chapter the India regional ebook, which really highlighted the work of the India regional chapter. I want to make sure that this also highlights the work of the supply chain trade finance special interest group, and drives people to the SIG, and drives people to the work that the SIG is doing. And, you know, so where the CBDC ebook was not tied into a SIG or a chapter anything right it was about specific use cases. The India regional chapter was tied about, you know, also highlighting members in the region. Primarily, and importantly, the India regional chapter, and driving people to that community and I want to do the same thing for supply chain trade finance. Good thanks Danielle that those are good points that I didn't cover there. You know, we've all we're always looking for additional talent to join that the our group here, as well as all the people that have been part of it and the work that they've done highlighting that that's also a nice, nice benefit for this. Anybody else have any thoughts before we maybe transition into what do we need to do. Hey, Tom, it's Alicia I just to piggyback on what Daniela was saying, one easy way to really push people or point people in the direction of the SIG is, as we choose which companies to highlight, we already have a library of video presentations from past guests. And make sure to include those and then have that link and that'll bring more people onto the wiki. Good. Good. Yes, that those links and then the other thing I'll bring it up since you bring it up now. Daniela, since she's responsible overall for hyperloader foundation, she as well as Tom us have visibility even the projects that we don't have. And they've shared some of those with us and we would be able to set kind of take those and maybe segment out based on however we want, so that we're not just trying to come up with things out of the thin air. I mean, what we're really looking for is to represent projects that have had some success in real life, and because that's going to give us more bang for the And I guess the other thing here, I don't know pernubes on here, but we think about these projects that we want to represent at a business level. But if we could represent a one or two and here's the technical successes that happen with it, we could provide some value associated with this document also. So it doesn't all have to be here was the ROI, we were able to reduce costs by x or we will increase revenue by why out there. If we could say that some technical successes that would also be good. Maybe we use hyper leisure firefly or whatever here and here's why that was a benefit to help us get it out faster there. Let me stop there. Anything else anybody else want to share. Shake your head Tom right now who wants to work on an ebook volunteers. I'm in for sure. Here. I'm in obviously rolling it out there to the other folks on the call. I'm in do rather than a print it. Great. It's my very first time here folks so I'm going to wait for a couple more meetings before I help you out if that's all right. Of course. That's quite all right. I introduce yourself. I was just going to say that what you could do Marina is that you know yourself. I sure can. Nice to meet you. I stumbled by an accident on this group because I am starting a company in supply chain that deals with invoice optimization and payments. And I got a green light from the National Science Foundation in the United States to submit for a phase one grant, but it needs to be the application needs to be built on distributed ledger. And I don't know so much about distributed ledger. So I'm trying to learn as much as I possibly can, and you guys have some use cases that might be in line with what I'm trying to do so I ended up here. Welcome. Yeah, you're welcome Marina by the way wonderful name I like it very much. Yeah. Well, that's great well we certainly as you heard earlier Marina. We have a number of videos from past sessions that you can watch as well as there's probably other stories that are going to come out here as we do this ebook work here. So, we'll we'll appreciate any work that any help that you can provide and we as a group and we're very open. If you want to get us on the phone. Some other time outside of this we're happy to share what we know out there. Yeah, I would love to. And I tend to volunteer a lot of my time and never say no so I have, you know, I could be of help. Yes. Yes, sir. Okay, anybody else out there. No, I think you can count on the structure of the ebook. What are you looking to produce I mean I heard there's one from India that we can go reference as another one but is this like a chapter for each author topic specific case study specific what's what's the structure. Well, let's so the structure is this right here when I'm sharing introduction, hyper ledger foundation, and then we'll talk about open source and supply chain and trade finance, a little bit about hyper ledger projects that are applicable in this space. And then the community work, right what our group is doing, as well as yours what some success stories are that's the hyper ledger around the globe section there. So it would be useful to people who haven't seen it already if you click through, because I know for a lot of us thinking ebook admit like we had discussed before a lot a lot of writing whereas the format used for this one. It's a bunch of one page topics. Let me do a page with links to other resources. Let me do it. Let me do it this way. I'm going to open this here because I have the India one I was looking for the CBD C1 before I got on here and I don't don't have that one downloaded. Can you see the screen here of hyper ledger foundation and some nice green circle. No, we're still seeing your white screen. And if you just click through on the English on that it downloads in a few seconds. Yeah, well, we'll do it. We'll do it this way. I'll just do the one since Daniela brought it up and I have it on my screen here. And we, there we go. There you go. Okay, beautiful. So this one is probably closer to what we're thinking here. And you see the same number of topics here. And what they did is they talked through and this is this is what Alicia was getting at is the these aren't deep dense text type of ebooks here. It's really around getting a high given a high level Daniela there you are in all your glory there. More like a magazine. Yeah, it's more like a magazine. It's not quite a marketing piece, right, but it's probably closer to a marketing piece. If you guys are familiar with that, as opposed to a, you know, a NIST white paper that's 100 pages on a topic. So a lot of graphics, a lot of ideas let me go through here. And then what they chose to do is let me get down a little bit as I'm scrolling through. And here's the contributions from the hyper ledger India chapter. So we want to say contributions from the hyper ledger supply chain and trade finance group, you know, here's here's what we've been doing out there. Right. Daniela, you know, Daniela just wrote in the notes for the India book we didn't highlight case studies but rather members for supply chain we want to highlight case studies like the CBDC one. Good, good point. Thank you for going after the chat there and keeping keeping us updated on that. But I wanted to share though is. Let me scroll down. And who's the, who's the audience for the, for the paper. Yeah. So, okay, let me just do one thing here. And then somebody wants so you'd think it'd be easier here. Okay, here, here's a page here. This would look like. So, at least as we've conceived it, the page would be for managers executives in supply chain and trade finance. For them to understand the value that blockchain could bring in specifically hyper ledger projects could bring to make their projects go on. And we have not thought of this as a technical document for, you know, lead developers or something like that. Okay. So here's an example. Instead of we pro I mean use hyper ledger India member, we would have Walmart Canada for instance, right and DLT labs in this, and we would have a very short blurb on what this is. Here's something that somebody says about, here's the value we got from it. And then we would have links to, for instance, the session that we did with DLT labs where they talked about the Walmart Canada story, for instance, here. So again, which it's writing a paragraph Michael and a little bit of getting a quote, and then some linkages to relevant locations. Following that, does that help Michael. Yes, the overview is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to be able to take a look at it. Sure thing. Absolutely. And, you know, maybe, maybe. Well, maybe what we'll do is let's put what we can put in the wiki the link to both of these. Yeah. Hey Tom. I worked with Tom Ash to put a template together for you. Can he just walk you through it because I think it'll be helpful for everybody to just visualize the mix of the two and save you some time in doing that. Tom, we have that ready to go then let's let's just have it ready to go Tom. Oh, no, I can see everyone's here. Hi Sophia. There we go. Can you see my screen. Yep. Yes. Let me maybe just it's a little bit big. Yeah, just do it share share screen. If you just do a good presentation to much you should be able to you mean like this. Yeah. There we go. Okay, so this is, you know, it's the template prepared already it's, you know, really just a high level so you can see how it should look like. So, right now, as Tom you already pointed out so we have the internet introduction hyperledger foundation blockchains for supply chains, supply chains, especially interest groups and so on so I don't just read from it and then we come down to the supply chain process. So, right, and that's, then, you know, we already talked with sort of use cases should be there should be in production or very late POC and with some ideally with some our eyes that we have and then pointers to the videos that were presented to the six and so on. So let's go quickly through it so right introduction we do have sort of like template one because it's a hyperledger introduction. What is hyperledger, I think it's quite self explanatory and then we are going to the blockchain for supply chain and then this one is much more specific to what this particular ebook would be about right so we have the topics of why blockchain can be used for supply chains. Here is about the special special interest groups in particular right and this is a good way you know to make people enthusiastic about joining and, you know, we'll use some of the newer presentations we can have the links to the supply chain and trade finance YouTube channel so people can always see what's going on here and obviously the link to the wiki as well. This is just what what remained here it's, it's really a template just for to have an idea. India chapter s should be replaced then I'm not sure if you have any mentorships this year but this could be something that we could include as well this page. Hyperledger projects again should be like a general, you know, template about the project, and then on the next page we do have the hyperledger project if you'd like to have specifically the ones that are related to some of the supply chain use cases that will be presented on. Then we have the community work with hyperledger so here you know we do have case studies and we do in fact have already couple of case studies related to supply chain and trade finance written. So you would need to link them there as well and basically just talk about what the community is doing within the supply chain. And here that now we go for the supply chain use cases over there so this is where we start to put some meat on the bones. And here it's already a description right so it's just a four or five sentence explanation of the use case and the content should already be that's what we talked about earlier Tom that should be already public information. And we wouldn't at this stage do any new content. And, you know, let me just add on to what Tomas is saying so I originally heard this I was thinking okay we're going to have to do interviews, build a lot of stuff. The idea here is Tomas said is utilize existing content of this existing existing success stories as opposed to going out there and building all this anew at least in least for this this this iteration of this you know eventually maybe we'll get there and we'll want to do deep dives etc etc, but that's not the purpose of this right now. But Tom Daniela did add that if there are use cases that are not in the broader media, we could highlight those as well. Yeah, talk about already right. Yeah, the key. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry, Michael, I didn't go ahead Michael. Oh no this is actually Jeff. Oh, Jeff sorry. Sorry. Why don't you go ahead, Daniel. No, I was going to say it's just we it's not deep research we want to pointers to the original source of content that could be original source of content that hyperledger published could be original source of content that you know GBBC published it could be original source of content that the media published or some other standards body or exactly. What I don't want is I don't want to create original source content for this specific thing. It should be original in the sense that we're presenting you know x amount of case studies and we're presenting the work that's a supply chain sig is doing and links to the videos you all have recorded in global form videos and other types of resources. If someone wants to really understand what's happening supply chain, this would be something that would pull up and spend hours going down the rabbit holes hopefully. So, you guys did a big favor for me or Andre did about a year and nine months ago now I was invited to present what we called the Tu ID the transport unit identification number and we did this in one of the supply chain sigs early on, and that same concept of the Tu ID has now been accepted by a technical committee of the international standards organization to be turned into a a standard for creating transport unit identifiers and there's some white papers that were submitted with you guys early and that is kind of the first distribution point of it is that the sort of stuff you'd want to be able to showcase here or that and kind of where it's where it's going from here or are you talking more. I mean in the hybrid of the use case and the people just would that fit for you. My gut feel is that it's still early Michael. Now if somebody's taken at standard and applied it in a way and they got business value out of it. Then, then we'd want to talk about that. Yeah, I mean what what was that what ECMA has asked for which is the standards body that runs the TC technical committee for this standard is to be able to run case studies where where there is an implementation from the industry where they say let's have this run in parallel to what we're doing at the moment where it doesn't disrupt our workforce but we understand what implementation looks like and we write a case study about it. I mean that was six months ago as their request so that the standard can be refined based off of input from the user community. I mean that's how standards work, you know that they don't they don't run projects inside of them that they they try to align with other organizations that are seeking similar outcomes. Right. Yeah, in back to a comment made earlier about the ROI or some sort of tangible evidence of success there. Let's let's let's put it in the parking lot because I mean, absolutely the idea makes sense, whether it's right for this, probably not but let's see as this evolves maybe it does come back to it is my gut feel. What is the use cases you're looking at the screen because I'm doing something parallel to this actually right now with another group that did this for sure with more in the climate accounting and action. He's actually got a he actually has a thing out there on that on that website that has 6 million visitors about the solution about carbon accounting. Hyperledger so sure it more has a whole thing out there now that they'll be put out there. I'm doing something similar to supply chain out there right now, we're on use cases and, but you have a thing up there so this should be contents already written and public no need for new content through interviews what does that mean. If there's something we can like the way I'll describe it in a lot Thomas Thomas and Daniel. Actually, I'll let you guys I'll let you guys go for it. Yeah. Okay, no Jeff just to, to, to make it clear it was because when we had this initial discussions discussions Tom and I were also, you know, talking if we need to create original content and then yellow also just mentioned that this is basically the point of this ebook it's more to provide the however overview of the use cases that are out there and provide the pointers for the people to go and see you know and explore further if they're interested right and for example, if you see on the bottom here we have a case study we have a member of webinar, you know, and these are basically the pointers it's not the right one because it's just an example, but you know, here is Edmund, he's a CTO at the global shipping business network, and we do have both case study and the member webinar with them. So, people, you know, could always go to one of these links and explore this solution further in the world. I just wonder how maybe what I'm doing for another site may help I'm getting a requested use cases for people have done successful use cases around supply chain and trade finance I'm getting flooded with responses from this thing and sorting them out and I maybe I'll shoot this by a time or something. Yeah, when I get these in because it would be great. Yeah, the only problem I did is I put it out there and I didn't specify hyper ledger so I'm getting these things pouring and I have to sort through it. So I may redo it and resend it, but it may be available for all these use cases is just it goes out there off of this request site and there's millions of people look at this thing I'm getting flooded with responses so. Okay, I'm trying to sort it from right now. Yeah, and Jeff, I think it's the, I can't remember the, the place that you're talking about the 6 million members there. But I remember looking at it and if they have the original content there that we can link to, and they will, they will when we put it out there. Yeah, so so that that could be that would be something and hyper ledger is actually a membership, a member community of that big website. Good, good. So we're good. Do you want to mention it right now. I can't remember the name of it. It's called blockchain industry group.org and hyper ledger is part of it. And it just it's a big organization where people put a lot of information on blockchain solutions blockchain technologies others. And it's part of this, part of this Microsoft. So I work with the CEO on this thing and that's how we get sure what's climate accounting stuff all out there. Okay, good. And since you, since you brought that up and you talk about how you're serving in the field here. Maybe now is a good time to switch to what what needs to be done what roles need to be filled here and accomplishing this goal. And before, and I'll say for that, well, three that I can think of one is research figuring out who we want to represent right who are the who are the better players that we say, yeah, this is a great story that we want to share with others. Right some are obvious but there's some hidden gems out there that we'd like to find and try to share out there. There's going to be need to be some writing that will be done, even though it's not a lot of writing right we're not writing the great American novel. It's still, though we'll need to be some writing to follow this template here. So we'll need to be some editing at the end here with this. So I see research writing and editing, and then Thomas, Daniela, correct me if I'm wrong. You have via hyper ledger some folks who can make this all look nice and pretty and polished and all that kind of stuff that's not something that we need. Yeah, we'll make it look nice. Thank you. That's very helpful. Make making nice and user interfaces of night is not my forte. Okay, good. So the folks earlier on, I mean, I guess one one thing that could be helpful here. And so we have the next our next session two weeks from now. And my thought is here that we take the next two weeks and maybe it's a research here for and have each person come back, or anybody who can come back with two or three options that they think would be appropriate to share here. No editing necessary, no editing necessary just, Hey, here's two or three case studies that we think would be successful in or not successful are successful, and that others would love to hear about whether that's the obvious ones, or the hidden gems I talked about. So let me throw that out there, and see if that makes sense. And is doable in two weeks. I don't want to time box on it but you know again we don't want this to stretch out forever and we come up with a grand total of zero. We know wrong tree. We're not going to come up with zero. I know we're not. And before the meeting in two weeks people can also send things over the list server if you want to share ahead of time. I can also create a page on the wiki specifically for people to list ideas. Thank you for new Sophia what do you, Jeff what do you guys think about the options that Alicia put out there, or Andrea you've been quiet too. I see something actually. No it sounds good. It's good. Yeah, I think so as well. I mean, I was kind of trying to think how I could contribute. I'm not sure. Think of all those. Think of all those trade lands competitors there Sophia. Most are using blockchain so yeah. But I'll happily be a reader and critic. Okay. Alicia, I'm kind of partial to, you know, putting something on the wiki that people when they have an idea they can just put it there. That way we don't duplicate the effort. We kind of see what was coming out there. Okay, so I'll add a page within our wiki. People will see it over on the left 2023 book. Okay, and could you put something out on on to the email list so that people know where to find it. Of course. Thank you. You're welcome. I suspect this time we will not have the same problems with. Oh man. Okay. But what's this post production? We will need help promoting on social. Yeah, thank you. Yes, we got some some promotion. And I guess LinkedIn, the discord, our twitters. Yes, main channels. Yeah. Yeah. And also, you know, when we get inquiries from people from the outside, right, it could sometimes a student sometimes somebody thinking of experimenting. It's also the thing that we share. Right. And that's what we're doing with the CBDC book now as well right to sort of also help raise the visibility of the sick. Yeah, that sounds good. And I guess when you, when you, this is I'm just thinking out loud here, when you put a case here or an example out there, if you could provide a link to that external thing, it could be a YouTube video, right, where most of our presentations are, or it could be like, you know, was was talked about earlier if it's some external site here just having a link then others can take a gander at it. And we can say, we can kind of say, okay, here's here's it. Yeah, this is a top 10. And I don't think we're really necessarily, we're not looking to do 40 or 20. But we're not looking to do, you know, we're not looking to do two. This is, you know, 10 seems to be the right number here, just to kind of give you a flavor for things. And if we end up 11, I don't think anyone's going to sweat. Tomas, Danielle, are we going to sweat it out if we have 11 or 12. I don't think so. Right. No. Good. Good. Okay. So, so, so time again on this. So I've learned a bunch of LinkedIn groups that have specialty areas and there's tens of thousands of people that belong to these things so I could put out a link to one of our YouTube videos you're saying or our LinkedIn page, things that I could put those links in there. You can do that now and then to Danielle about promo. I mean, once we have this, this piece done, right, we'll have something even more tangible and more concentrated. Okay. I can put that out there. The only problem with is that LinkedIn those LinkedIn groups I belong to off of that site are so busy. There's a thousand people posting stuff and so you put something up there and then an hour later you got to scroll down about 40 days. They're too active. The vein of social media. Yeah. The LinkedIn group groups were too successful that these. I think yeah, I think we're right for right now, focus on finding or developing in your mind what your top three or four case studies are out there. I'm going to be like I mentioned through that site and I'll specify hyper ledger some have come in hyper ledger so I may have a bunch of them in two weeks. Good. Let me see the quality of first. Yeah, and to be even more specific here. It's any using any of the hyper ledger project it doesn't have to be fabric I mean fabric is what you hear about a lot, but it can be any of the hyper ledger project so they're using like cool they're using basu. I mean it we can use any of them. And it probably be helpful to have that kind of diversity, right so they're not all fabric ones out there. I've just created the page for the wiki and posted it to the chat. Me and you're good. I try. Okay. Beautiful. Let's see here. Any, any other questions or thoughts saying that that's probably. I feel like we have a we have a plan here. Thank you for thinking about it. Marina. Thank you for joining today's festivities here. And we look forward to talking with you. And again, we can get offline and share more about DLT and what's going on. And you'll see some of these success stories as they come through here. And hopefully that can help you with your invoice financing type of thought. So yeah, it's really nice meeting you guys. Yeah, good. Sorry I was late zoom updated my machine. This was I went to click on and mess my machine up and I had to fix it and so it cost me 20 minutes. No worries. Okay. Any last thoughts. Going once going to just one thing so I don't have to, you know, I don't write an email as a follow up it's not about the book just about the zoom room. And the invite was correct, but there was a technical issue, and it was fixed during the meeting. So it's okay to use that going forward. Just so you know, thank you. No thanks. We're not we're not crazy here is what you're saying that's good. That is correct. Okay, beautiful. Thanks Tomas. Beautiful. Thanks everybody for joining. Enjoy your Thank you. Thursday and look forward to seeing you on the 20th and look for some stuff in the wiki mailing list here, and we'll look forward to seeing your everyone's ideas here as they percolate and populate through over the next couple weeks here. Yep. See you guys. See some. Thank you. Bye. Bye.