 You don't even see a lot of clips of them. So I don't know, maybe it's just not entertaining or anything. I can't imagine it entertaining. It's like George Lucas and the Holiday Special. They want to destroy all the clips of them speaking. No. That was a miracle. Crimbo miracle. Very glad it happened. And had it not happened, we would have been a lesser society slash culture for it. That's what I think. Absolutely, 100%. Don't think I can be pretty wrong on that either. Pretty much in the stone. Stream is live. Chat is is this before it's working. So hello, how are we doing? Welcome to your allotted episode of this. Yes, you are. Are you ready to turn in your one quarter portion redemption ticket for your weekly e-fapery? Why? I know I am. That was Simon Pegg. That's that's that's his contribution to Star Wars. That guy. Yeah. Well, remember, Stephen Fry was in the Hobbit. He was. That was that was a role, too. That was a role he got paid. He did. Oh, well, I feel like it should be acknowledged immediately. But as has recently completed Gollum as an elephant, the Gollum could be me and Matt will actually the Chad's beat it yesterday. Oh, cool. And Paulie. They love their ball. Completely won the race that was totally happening between the three of us. Won the race and the argument. At least I think he's finished it. I haven't been able to check something setting up the old fappens. But last I saw him, he was looking at the cutscenes at the end. I don't know if he chose to break the bird's neck. I certainly did. He let it let him let it live. Really, this is the debate of our age. Yes, as finished it. There you go. Yeah, I just finished it. Good for him. I'm glad he's gone past it. It's it was a tough one. It was it was a it was a legendary thing that was made. For those who don't know, you can see myself medal or as play on our sorted areas of the Internet. It is a glitch filled is died. It's a mess. It's horrible. It's one of the worst things ever. It could have been better. Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. It's like a full potential has not yet been realized. It's it's quite a quite amazing. It got made at all and apparently they're making more. They got metal metal paid them to make more. So yeah, sorry about that. They already got two million in Germany's tax money to make more of the rings content. Can they have gotten the two million to fix the current game? No, that seems like it would make more sense than make a whole fucking new game. But Germany doesn't worry about old mistakes. They just no carry on and they just try to move on. Yeah, this this is what all wrong fucking evolving, but just backwards. Yeah, I've seen this one. It's the kind of shit that is so embarrassing that you kind of wonder how did this even happen? Yeah, it was so you play meme and then I saw Gollum's like, oh, that actually looks like Gollum. He looks so goofy in that picture. And that's that's how he looks in the whole game. Yeah, a little guy, a little goober. I don't know what they were going for. I was actually expecting the character model to change at some point. It's like, oh, this is like a younger version because he's been doing stuff earlier. And then he is in Mordor for years, apparently. And then he gets to his even grosser face. But no, that's just it just didn't give them too much credit. Thought it just said the only link that doesn't work in in fucking description is metals. Why? Every fucking time. Wait, again, I didn't even look. It changes it, right? So when I put it into the description, it says at metals. I think at metals forge, right? That's that's the hyperlink. You put it in, you go live and then it changes it to the garbled shit. And it's like, why? I don't know. I don't know. I had to. That was a problem. I think I was having with my description yesterday. Fucking annoying, man. Like it would it would it have the drop down menu when you put in the channel and you'd click on it. Yeah, then it breaks and you'd expect it to work. And then when you post it, it just turns into it's quite me. Some you can click on. Because why do you lie to me? Yeah, because the actual links are at whatever you put there. But if you do it via this click thingie, as you just said, it just breaks every time. I don't know why. Which is weird, you know, because it looks like it's supposed to work like, oh, it's like at our age. Oh, click. And then it's like, see, look, it's even a little gray box. And yeah, but in reality, no, you fool. Yeah, I have updated it. And hopefully it fucking stays that way. But who knows? That's normal now. We'd already updated itself, actually crazy. God. Wow. We've got a big helping of Fliems today. But before I introduce what we're up to, I figure we should we should take the opportunity because I don't know when else we'll fit this in to talk about the fact that me bringing in rags after several recommendations actually got together and watched a television show from start to finish. It did. No, it's kind of insane. It's kind of a TV show. And now I didn't take the recommendation. We we watched it all the way to the end. It's been in Super Chat several times. I saw a couple of clips. I really like Brian Cox as an actor. So I was like, fuck it, I'll bite the bullet. And I watched an episode. No, I think two, one or two of of succession. And then I was like, this is so good, but I'm going to drag rags and bring into it. Obviously, the idea was show them and then see if they want to join. And I think you guys were pretty thoroughly impressed by the opening episodes as well, right? We were like, holy shit, the potential, the acting, the writing. Yeah. For those who don't know the premise, the premise is that of basically a big old it's it's allegorical to like, would you say Fox is supposed to be a white star? Royco, Maddox, the mood. Yeah. So like, and it's a family run giant corporation that runs theme parks, cruises, news, outlets, media, all kinds of stuff. And that we're seeing the sort of leader, the big old dad, the patriarch of this whole family is coming to the end of his reign. And what's going to happen next when he's got four children and many people working in high positions and, you know, the complications that come with it. It sounds like it would be maybe boring to some out there who like, it's just a show about people making deals. There's no action scenes. There's no lasers, no spaceships. There's cars, single laser. Not a single spaceship. There are cars. Is there a single laser? Is there a gun fired in the show? I remember one gunfire is one at least. It's the yeah, it's in the distance. It's distant. You don't see it on screen. A distant gunshot. Yeah. There is a. Oh, there's a car crash. There is a car crash. That's the most exciting thing that happened in like an action scene kind of way. Yeah. So maybe you won't be interested in that vein, but we were so thoroughly impressed with the characterization that we were following this family and whether or not certain people will rise or fall in power levels or positions that we were just just just in it, just watching it. Oh, lovely. Get nice and addicted. And I'd say the peak of investment possibly for even you can say that three of us was post season two. We were like, this is two solid seasons of just building up everything. And you can see where all of the things are going to come in and possibly crash down in a very potent dramatic sense. Then we watch season three. I'm trying to remain positive here because it is. You should you should be positive. I think the first two seasons were stellar, top tier, incredible. The third season was it was OK, a little slow paced. I don't feel like we were really making much progress, but, you know, everyone was, you know, behaving in character and things seem to be doing all right. You're like, OK, we're still into this. I think things should happen. More things should happen. But, you know, this is really good still. You know, it's good stuff. There's a couple instances of, oh, you could have gone this way. But you went that way. And they're both with viable ways. I just I think I would have preferred to go the other way. But that's all right. The way I said it on Gary's stream was felt like season three was the spinning the wheels season. They wanted to keep everybody sort of in limbo. They weren't sure exactly how they were going to end story lines. And so we sort of ended up repeating, pushing characters into places and then pulling them back and then pushing them out again. For sure. I think that that felt that contrast between the way the seasons were progressing felt really sharp because, like, by the end of season two, it felt like we'd progressed quite significantly with a lot of characters. Yes, like that they had changed pretty dramatically from where they were or at the very least were, like, on the path to pretty significant change, like, lots of conflicts bubbling to the surface. Development regression for people, like, yeah, it was it was like really moving along in those first two seasons and season three was like, yeah, we're not, I don't know. I feel like we didn't achieve nearly as much as in those last two seasons. Didn't feel quite as dense. Still plenty of strong scenes in season three that progress some stuff. And the final scene of season three was like, oh, I'm trying to avoid spoilers in a sense, I guess. Because, well, we'll get there. So the part of the bigger reason why I was checking out the show, too, is one thing I didn't mention was the hype for season four. Everyone kept talking about this season was coming out. And I was just like, well, I haven't seen any of it. So what I said to Rags and Friggy, ain't it neat how good season one and two were and that four is the one that the fans are going nuts over? So that's very true. Because that's exciting. If you loved season one and two, then surely season four must be something incredible beyond belief. If you watch the first two seasons and you were really excited about the fourth. Makes you wonder what hooked, what was the hook of the show that got them in? And so I think we maybe we should switch over to spoiler mode now, because for those who are currently watching succession or wish to watch it, you're going to have to mute or leave. And I will signal to you that we're done with the spoiler talk by. I'll open up, watch together and the screen will go down. That'll be the signal that'll let you know. So just just mute. We'll be right back. I don't know how long we'll be, but we'll go right now. So season four starts up and we we we watched because it's it's episode four is the big one that everyone was talking about. And three. Oh, sorry, three and luckily for all three of us, we had no idea why people were talking about it. We had no idea why it was was famed, why it was getting like nine point nine to ten out of tens everywhere. I was like, holy shit, I can't wait for that. I love me some, you know, excellent TV episodes. So we, you know, first two, everything is running kind of like season three. It's mostly fine. And then episode three comes around and the reason why that one is so famous is because it's when Logan Roy, the main man in charge of the one who got the the brain bleed in episode one that set all of this off. In a sense, he finally dies. Yeah. That comes to an aneurysm, was it? Or I forget. I think it was a pulmonary embolism. So and, you know, when we understood that that was what was happening, you know, we ran some theories like, oh, maybe it's a lie and he's trying to see what his kids would do as a result of it, or maybe it's misunderstood. Or maybe he's actually dead and it turns out he is actually dead. The episode is him dying and then you see the kids sort of react to it and things start moving forward. And, you know, we're not going to be doing like a season breakdown or even necessarily scene breakdowns of any particular favorites, but the rest of the season rolls out and the finale came out. I want to say a week ago, two weeks ago, somewhere. I think it could go like that. You get your endings for everybody. The show is over, series end. This is it. It's all done. The story has concluded. I will say our little discord call that was connected up while we were watching it by the end. We hit credits, so I would say the word might be miserable. Yes. Furious. Yeah. Yeah. Really, really, really up to it. Furious is closer. Furious was closer than miserable. I don't think I've ever been angrier at a TV show. I think that the fourth season is trash. I think there's virtually nothing of value, maybe like literally a couple exchanges that ultimately don't really end up meaning anything. But, boy, I am shocked that people think that this is not only not terrible, but it's really good. I have no clue why they think that. And it makes me question, how did you fall in love with this show in the first place? If you praise the fourth season, which is like the antithesis of the first two seasons. The thing, first thing that struck me come to realize is one of the biggest flaws that they had as a writing team seemed to be that they just didn't know how to make characters grow. They didn't want them to. They had an archetype, and then they just relied on it. Characters would go through circumstances and then just repeat them again and again and again, seemingly not understanding anything about history, not understanding anything. They don't learn anything. They get backstabbed by the individual characters, get backstabbed by the same people throughout the show like five times in a row. And every time they'll just be like, well, let's go again, you know, whatever. And then it's like almost like five minutes later, we're just back to normal, whatever, it's fine. Yeah, fuck it sucks when they do significant damage in the form of career monetary or just betrayals of like trust and stuff. And then like, you know, following episode, it's kind of forgotten about and they move on. Really annoying. When you compare it to like season one where Kendall takes a shot and fails, and it's like a dramatic consequence for him. He's out, like he's just out, he's done. Ex-communicado, and he even changes his attitudes quite significantly when he's with the family next, though he's on drugs to be fair, but he's so much more curt with everybody, less business-like, you know. Several episodes of building back up, ramping back up to his next big move, as opposed to just like, yeah, I mean, you did something, but you know, it's okay. Yeah, it's fine. You know, it's cool. Like we'll give you another shot. Thirty characters just basically get to whenever they fuck up in astronomical ways, be it to characters or potential damage to the company. It really does like, oh, it's fine. Is the next episode, all's forgiven, all's fine. There's no issues, no problems, whatever, no consequences for you. There's, you know, we can tackle a couple of different things, but one of them is they just had plot threads that didn't go anywhere or were forgotten about throughout the whole show. Yeah, we just totally, totally dropped, like in season four, dealing with Kendo's addiction problem. Like that wasn't like an element of that season at all. Yeah, season one was the main one to build that up, and then it kind of just didn't get, like there was pushed in certain directions, drinking, cocaine, all these different stuff, always kind of referencing it. It never went anywhere. Yeah, it didn't go anywhere. It's the last, they just sort of, he just isn't synaptic to anymore, I guess, because it's never a part of the show. It stops being an issue. People use it against him. More so, the density of people using it against him goes further back. I think they just decided to peter it out and not doing anything with it. Marsha takes up a significant portion of the whole show, and we discovered all amounts to her basically saying, I really loved Logan. It's like, yeah, I don't think the show, yeah, it seems like they changed trajectory on a lot of things, because last we saw her before that essentially got wrapped up that way was that she was basically negotiating for a shit ton of money and power in order to be used as a, like Logan's in a healthy and happy marriage. Like that's one of my, I actually really liked, that's probably one of my favorite Marsha scenes is where her and her lawyer are talking to how, I think Logan's lawyer and there's like, we need him to look like he's strong, he's married, he's happy, and then she's like, that's great, but he broke my heart. And so if I'm coming back, like I'm gonna need, and then she like has a list of demands. We never even saw if those demands got satisfied. We assumed not, I don't know. They made it sound like it was a desperate thing though, to have her back in the scene and viewed. But yeah, she sort of drops in with every girl, do you remember, what was the name of the girl that he was like with, but not with, but kind of with? Was it Kelly or Carrie? Carrie, Carrie, right. Yeah, I think so, something like that, yeah. That was strange too. That didn't seem to really, it felt like the show wasn't sure what to do with that. Then yeah, as you mentioned Gil, there was this whole political angle with the candidate that we learned about since season one and he like dropped, this is really great stuff. That's season three, right? The court stuff, the trial? Yes. Really like that, that was awesome. It was all to do with the cruises, which is actually gonna be relevant in a sec with something else, but Gil has like made himself clear as this character who's running, I think for president, right? Yes. Ultimately. We haven't even reached the primaries yet. He's just sorting out his campaign, he's running with it and has Logan Roy's daughter working for him. It's like, what an interesting dynamic because he hates Logan Roy and wants to sabotage him, stop him and regulate him as much as possible. He considers him a cancer on America sort of thing. Like, oh yeah, okay, well, that's a great dynamic. Where the fuck did Gil go? I don't know, the last time we saw him was at the congressional hearing and that was it, as far as I'm aware. We had the whole election and we didn't even see his side or whether or not. Different candidate was actually like up for presidency. I think he was meant to be like VP. And it's just like, why would, I don't know why, like what, I don't understand why we dropped that thread. Like it just seems like there's a lot of potential there. Do I even say Connor is a fucking dropped thread? I don't know what, I don't know what the point of all that was. There were four seasons of a worthless, pointless character. It wasn't a, I can't guess that. The ground never amounted to anything. Connor never amounted to anything in the show and neither his relationship with Willa too. It just was like, okay. They had it all right there. They set up, is it the end of season one? There's an implication he might run for president. It's like, oh, what a great way to make use of him. Go, go, go, go, go. And they barely do a thing. By the time the last payoff of him trying to run for president is I have 1% of voters going for me and this is the election night. Maybe if I drop out and endorse someone else which doesn't happen the night of when the actual like final results are coming in, I can vie for some level of power or position. And then he's offered ambassador of, I don't even remember what country it was to you. Somalia? Utterly fucking bizarre. And then he just sort of drifts away toward the few end episodes. And the biggest payoff I think we ever get is him just being like, you guys don't care about me. It's like, they don't. Nobody does. The show doesn't. It's really like, it just, he's in that basket of all the threads and plot ideas that just got actually forgotten or they just didn't amount to anything. And so much of what made the first couple seasons so incredible is this idea that they were presenting of, you have all of these things that are going on in this world and there's going to be a payoff or all these things are gonna come to a head. There's going to be a resolution to all of these little, these things were setting up. There's gonna be payoffs to all this stuff. And looking back, it's actually kind of nuts. How many things just literally went nowhere? They just disappear as plot threads. My favorite corner thing in the entire series is the speech he gave with the funeral. And you might, like the funeral with the, what's his name, Moe. Oh yeah. That shit was fucking hilarious. And it was very funny. It was really great for a representative, being representative of his character. It's just such a pity it just went nowhere. But hey, we're building toward the bigger and bigger problems here. So I mentioned Cruises. And what I liked about that was, for those who don't know or those who do know, but need to be reminded, Cruises was this horrible skeleton in Wastar Royco's closet, basically. It was a collection. It represented a collection of all of the horrors that have happened on their cruise line that have been given hush money or people have died and they've sort of brushed under the carpet in whatever possible ways they can. They have a stack of all the history of things that they've done wrong with it. And there's a guy, his name, Bob or Steve or something, he was the head of it, controlling it. And he passes it on to one of our characters, Tom, in season one, really early on. And it's basically a time bomb. It's just, hopefully no one discovers it and hopefully you can deal with it, just sit on it and eventually you'll retire happy, you know. And as the show goes on, more people poke at it and it gets brought up to be used as leverage. It's something that permeates throughout the show and has loads of different consequences and the plot lines develop from it, really good. That is wrapped up in several ways. And then there's little leaks, like characters taking extra pieces of information holding onto it or people being aware of it but making a deal and it'll come back, that sort of thing. In season four, it feels like different people wrote it because a lot of the dramas and ways that characters get leverage and stuff just happens out of thin fucking air. Instead of cruises being planted really early on and characters making decisions about it that match them that have ultimate repercussions, we have things like the kids have to make a decision whether or not they want to sync their dad's reputation in order to boost their own when he's dead and they decide against it, two of the kids out of three and then Kendall's like, well, it's really important we need to do it, how can I get it done? And Hugo just comes up to him and says, hey, I told my daughter that Logan had died before it became public news and she sold his stock, obviously before it plummeted, so that's bad. And then Kendall's just like, huh, yeah, that is bad. I'm gonna use that now as leverage against you so that you help me sabotage my dad's reputation without letting the other kids know. Hugo just hands him leverage on a thread that was invented that episode. Really fucking annoying, so she's like, oh, that just came out of nowhere. Really fucking Finn is what that is, like the way that it was working in the earlier seasons. Yeah, characters just decide to say things against their better judgment or without any reason. Or against their own interests. Or against their own interests, just so that we can have like a full of Finn sort of happen because of it. Yeah. Everyone kind of turns super stupid in that aspect. Well, yeah, and we started to notice more and more of them as they went along, obviously because of doing this as fast as I can for people who don't care about succession, okay? We're trying to get through it because we're almost to the big one, right? But you have that, you have the whole of season four is dealing with a deal with Gojo who's organized by Lucas Mattson, that's the name, right? Who's played by one of Stell and Skarsgard's son and he's great. Unfortunately though, they need to create drama with him. And so like he's pretty solid right up until, he's a bit of a, you could call a maverick for business. He does things differently, but he's also super successful. That's kind of how he's introduced. And then randomly, you have Shiv Roy, who's one of the primary people who's involved with like the company's merger slash being bought out by each other. He like takes her into a room and just tells her that he's been freezing bricks of his blood and sending it to his like communications officer, which has started to get him in trouble. And we were just like, what? He just randomly tells her this stuff that she can use for no reason because he just does, I guess. And it was just like, oh, I guess we just, we're just making him insane. Like, why, who's blood bricks? And why is he telling her and what? What? And then it was like the next episode, they have like a private meeting about how they've got a connection and those two are going to work together, subvert her brothers. And we were literally just like, they pull this out of their ass. These two don't have a connection. Why did he tell her about the blood bricks? Why were the blood bricks the thing? That ends up being, right? That is the inception, so to speak, of the ultimate payoff in the show. Like that's where Shiv's deceits sort of begin for no reason at all. The three of them agree that they're gonna work together with all decisions going forward after their dad dies. And then like, they split off immediately. And like I said, she talks to him who has no reason to give her any information at all. And he just starts telling her about this incredible fucking controversy that's under, because if that became public, right? If anyone knew that like Bill Gates sent a bunch of blood bricks to one of his people who he was interested in, feel like that that would never be forgotten. But that's the, that's sort of felt like the writing was starting to really fall apart. Now, since I've been talking a lot, I don't mind if either of you want to take it, but should we talk about living plus? Yeah, let's just start talking about random. Yeah, let's just start talking about living. Where did that come from? What the? It was invented. Living plus was just invented in the episode that it became an insanely important plot point that made Kendall connect to episodes as well. Like it just didn't fucking matter anymore. Do a set ground work. That's what the fucking plot up is, you know. An episode opens and it's Logan Roy after he's died delivering his presentation related to living plus. And all was like, the fuck is living plus? Never heard of this. It's incredibly important and it's going to matter significantly in loads of different ways. And the kids have to figure out what they're going to do with it. Drop it or try and boost it up as best they can. It was so funny. Was it the whole episode or was it two episodes that we were demanding the show tell us what the fuck living plus is? I think it was just one episode. I think it was. It was gaslighting us into thinking we just like skipped an episode or missed one. So it was it was insane. We were just like at the beginning of the episode with like a recording of Logan, it was apparently a project he'd been working on. And then it was like that episode was all focused on that as like a project that Kendall could create to essentially like inflate in the eyes of the world like the value of Wastar Royco as like an entity that could continue as its own thing because he wanted to destroy the merger and essentially take a company and run it. Had offered them a price to buy the stock at a very good one. And Kendall comes up with this radical plan that if he can sell living plus then he can skyrocket the stock price. And we were all just sitting there like good luck whatever living plus is good luck getting it above the price he's just offered you. That's not gonna happen. And then we found out what living plus was. It was like some corporate hellscape like a town run by a corporation that you live in where like everything like all of the entertainment within the town is like supplied by the company. And apparently like when he pitched this it was like popular and successful. It was so funny, yeah, literally Disneyland suburbs basically but for Wastar Royco. It was so funny because we've heard about this IRL and every time it's mentioned everyone thinks it's a fucking horrible idea that's just gross like just dystopic. Like why the fuck would anyone ever wanna do that? You live in like Disney houses with Disney bucks and you watch the Disney channel constantly and Disney news and Disney newspaper and you go to your Disney toilet and you can have your Disney cereal. It's all like it's just no, no, that's never the way. And they pitched that and the whole world is like, whoa, that's amazing. And then all of like the internet are like, oh, it's so fucking good. Then Lucas Matz is so annoyed. He tweets out something incredibly offensive about the Holocaust. He's trying to tank this shit happening because he doesn't want the price to go up so you have to pay more, blah, blah. He doesn't believe in Living Plus. So he just does that. We were just like, what, what is happening? I can't even get over the fact that Living Plus would be popular and that the stock would go up. But then he just does that and the only reason we've got is like, yeah, well, he's fucking nuts. He makes blood bricks, okay, fine, sure man. And yeah, that pushes the kids back further up in terms of leverage, which we thought was terrible. But now, should we talk about the election? Sure, we could talk about the election. The fact is that two, it's down to like a couple of votes with these two candidates. One that we like, so to speak, with Ray Star, Ray Star Royco, like our characters want them to win and one that they don't. And the one that they do want to win, they discover they can sort of help because is it 200,000 votes get burned? Yeah, like in Wisconsin. Yeah, a building gets like exploded or burnt down and we lose that many votes. And then based on projections, it was understood that those votes would most likely, was it go to a particular candidate, but sorry, that's Shiv's logic as to why they should announce for candidate A. And then Roman's logic is that they don't count now, they're out, so we assume nothing. They're not counted, like we vote for candidate B, right? That was like the argument. Yeah, pretty much. And we were sitting there losing our fucking minds, being like, the votes have been burned. This would be like the most controversial shit ever. You can't just announce that they don't matter now or that you assume what the votes would have been. This doesn't make any fucking sense at all. And then by the end of the episode, ATN actually make the decision to simply announce who they believe is the winner. Well, and remember, the reason why they make that decision and why Kendall makes the decision is because Shiv is like, oh yeah, I talked to the other candidate, they might be open to regulatory measures to block the deal because that's essentially the motivation behind the decision is they believe candidate B will block the deal. They believe candidate A won't. She was like, oh no, I talked to him, we will. And then Kendall calls and then finds out, oh no, she didn't, like she didn't even answer, like she pretends to get on the phone to talk to them instead of actually getting on the phone and maybe asking for a favor, you know? Like she just doesn't do anything smart at all and that's the reason why he makes that decision. People are trying to- That's Shiv the entire show. She does stupid, risky, backstabbing shit all the time and she never gets her comeuppance for it. No, and people say, didn't that happen in real life? 200,000 votes getting burned in a building? No, there's nothing in real life that is connected to that and then you can't, the show is aware of this, by the way, it is trying to acknowledge that this is an insane, all the characters say you can't do it, you can't do it, it's literal, it's just illegal, it doesn't work, it doesn't fucking, and then they're just like, nah, do it anyway. And then the next episode, they have like a news report about who might be having to go to court, who might have to be dealt with and then we just never deal with it again. It's just passed, it's like, oh, okay. Don't worry about it. So yeah, and the thing I really wanna highlight there isn't whether or not I believe that, like, because someone could argue the legal shit happened after this show was over or something, ultimately, it was really delayed. It's that none of the characters are this stupid. It was really sad to see like Candle, Roman, Shiv, all of them being incredibly fucking stupid. Yeah, we're constantly asking like, what are you doing? Who the fuck are you? What's happening? What about all the stuff that led us here? Have we learned nothing? Have we totally regressed into some, just some idiot, some loser, some insanely risky person for no reason? Like what's going on? And that was the third season. I was wondering what the fuck happened to everyone. Which I guess, to wrap this up, the final subject of the final episode before we go there and why it has to allow our characters. The ultimate decision comes down to whether or not the board will vote for Gojo to buy out, was it buy out or buy the stock for Wastar Rocko, right? It was a 50% cash stock, basically total acquisition of the company. Yeah, which would mean like, they wouldn't control it anymore as a family, which is kind of, you know, since episode one been the huge deal of Wastar Rocko must remain in the family. We have to honor our dad and all the work he did. You know, it's our company. We got to fight for this. And by the time we hit the last episode, the three kids have agreed to work together and that Kendall will be CEO of the two with, you know, strong positions and that they have the votes. They'll have the majority. And everyone votes and we get a deadlock waiting for Shiv's vote. And she says she needs to think about it, which we were pretty baffled by. We had no idea what the angle was going to be this time. We assume maybe that it was just she had some kind of deal with, with Madsen or there's something going to pull out their ass. That at the beginning she was really like arrogant about having won. And all the while she had like neglected to account for the fact that like Madsen at any point in time could make the call of like, no, you're not going to be CEO. You have no experience. Yeah, she got, she doesn't. Every single, this is another thing that Shiv never seems to learn in an entire show is that her lack of experience means that no one ever actually takes her seriously in anything. And she gets shocked every single time someone says you have no experience. She's like, whoa. And yeah, she was promised CEO. And then she was immediately like lie to you about that. She assumed that she'd been promised CEO. He never said anything. Oh, right. Yeah, they do that. Wait, wasn't that like the actual scene they, she says like, can we talk about it? And he says maybe later and she's like, no talk about it now. And then he says, yeah, yeah, we'll talk about it. And then they don't talk about it. And then, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was in the election episode. Yeah, we'll be in driven nuts by that too. In any case, she explains to candle that. Well, and remember that the big drama of this episode is she tells Tom that she found out that Madsen was looking for another CEO who says that Greg told her. Yeah, which prompts. Like she just announced that. And then Tom announces that he's the person who's being chosen. They have a big fight. And then there's this dramatic music playing as they're all like ramping up to have this big battle. It's like, what the? Like all of this was set up by these two and everyone used to be smarter with how much information they would leak, but everyone's just leaking it all over the place. Fucking annoying. She basically explains, we finally get it out of it, that she doesn't want to vote in favor of team Royco because she doesn't want Kendall in charge because she doesn't like him and doesn't think he's good for the job. That's basically what it comes down to. One of the huge frustrations around a lot of the show is that like Kendall is the obvious choice throughout the seasons of the show. He's made a lot of really good decisions. He seems to legitimately care deeply for the company and keeping it going. Yeah, the only time he like detonates is when everything is taken from him. Most of the time when he's actually running something it's perfectly fine. There's a reason why he was first in place to get the company in the first place. And even we never actually got, that was kind of a regret on season one. It would have been interesting to explore exactly what decision he should have made when Logan was in a coma. We never really got to have that discussion. He just didn't like the debt was solved by giving stock to Sandy, right? And Stewie. So yeah, she says that and you get kind of baffled by it because there's one of two choices here. Even if you don't like Kendall, why would you go with Luke Madsen? Why would that be better? Doesn't really make much sense until you realize that her relationship with Tom goes on a big old loop and she gets her result. But you have to watch a scene. It was kind of funny to watch because we knew that everything had to fall apart but there was nothing to use. As a writer, there's no spark there to make them fall apart. Like how do you get Kendall and Roman to like everyone to hate each other in that room? So she starts out being like confused and Kendall's a bit aggressive. He's like, you know, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're going to go... Until different things just start coming out and everyone's getting angry and angry and saying shit that just felt completely out of character and just unsupported, which is such a shame. Kendall, you could argue this is the biggest moment of his whole life and every single thing he says will have great consequence. He recognizes that. He always does in these sorts of situations. You'll get nervous and he might even stutter but he usually comes through going after living plus would be an example of the fact that the show supports that. Like this defined by everyone else as this thing that will absolutely not work. It's a huge stress. And he does it anyway and pulls through. He does the speech in the funeral that Roman couldn't do. Like there's a lot of times where it's clear that he's the one. And the show seems to back him on that right up until the show reveals to you that there's a second motivation that's actually his primary. It's really the thing that defines Kendall. At least that's what the writers want you to believe which is that he feels he deserves the role because he's the oldest boy. And he shouts that at her and it was cringe as fuck. You know, yeah. I'm the oldest boy. And when he does that, she's like, whoa. And they make Roman come out with something that I've seen people say like that didn't seem right at all. And they don't take the next step into saying it's completely out of character. I don't think because they don't want to be too much of a dick to the show. Roman implies Kendall's kids for the first time in the entirety of the four seasons. They're gonna know where. His kids are illegitimate. They're not like Roy's. And they're not even his. Yeah. They're not real Roy's and then they're not even his. Which felt weird as fuck. It comes out of nowhere. This has never been brought up or mentioned before in the show. This idea that Roman is like, especially in Roman's own familial issues like that's another drop thread that we're not even going. Or his girlfriend, all that stuff is never. That's done. That's another drop thread. But this just happens out of nowhere. That whole convert. I'm mad thinking about it. This show is mad. Just thinking about it. I fucking hate this show. Well, so and I fucking hate this show. It's like, why would they do it? And it's like, well, what do you think Kendall's gonna do when Roman tells him that they're not his kids and they're not Roy's? He's gonna fucking hurt him. He's gonna do something. He's gonna get mad. Anyone would if you do that about their fucking and you say that about their kids at a moment like this. And so he arguably attacks him and then that makes everything spiral out. Everyone's screaming at each other, throwing shit around and it's all over. They're just kids fighting over their dad's fortune. Done. And you know that everyone's gonna have that commentary on the show. It's like, that's pretty genius. This is what it ultimately came down to. It's that their dad's legacy was just torn over and picked up for scraps by his kids who none of them deserved it. When Kendall in that situation, he wouldn't say, I'm the eldest boy. He would have said, I have infinite experience compared to you guys. Roman just doesn't have the spine for this. He doesn't have the confidence. He doesn't have the killer instinct. Dad said that was the one aspect that was like struggling on my part but I've shown in the past like few years that I can handle this shit on my own and I can push through any of these deals on my own. I know exactly what to do. Shiv, you know better than anybody, you've got no chance of being CEO and what are you trying to suggest that Luke Mattson would be better? Do you wanna team up with the Swede? Have him take over the dad's entire history, his whole life, his work instead of his children? The whole scene would have to go one way but they couldn't. They wanna have a different ending. So they had to make the three of them do insane nonsense to make them all fight. So then Shiv votes for Mattson. Kendall's whole fucking life is ruined. Roman just goes to a bar and has some drinks. Shiv just teams back up with Tom. Fucking God knows why when she's done what she's done to him. And then she, so she gets to be married to the chosen CEO and have a kid with him and stay a part of the family while Kendall and Roman have been booted out and Kendall's like fucking, the implication he's considering suicide, which is real fun. Yeah, so that's great. Kendall, the most competent by a mile, the person who legitimately cares about the company so much, who works so hard to keep it together, who saved the company in the first season, who had the most interesting relationship with Logan. He's fighting all his demons and everything. Kendall, he loses. I don't even know what the fuck's going on with Roman. Roman I guess loses. And Shiv, the nastiest of the three, the worst person in the show that conniving backstabbing bitch wins. And it's just like, fuck this show. I can't believe it. We had to go through so much character destruction and plot contrivance and nonsense to get to this point. To go to one of the worst endings possible. Fuck the frustrate. It literally is like the worst ending possible. It was, I mean, we finished. I think what is worth emphasizing is like the nature of how like this ending just does not feel like it lines up with a lot of things that were developed in the earlier seasons. Think about like the ending of season two, for instance, where throughout that season, Kendall was basically utterly subservient to Logan. And then it all leads up to, there's going to be the big blowout with the cruisers thing. They need to basically, somebody that they're going to sacrifice, they're going to be the fall guy, they're going to, yeah, they're going to take the fall for it. And then there's a big conversation, a super interesting conversation where all of the characters make decisions about who they reckon they should throw into the bus and make arguments for. And of course, this is back when the show was really great. So they're all making really interesting and compelling arguments for different people. But I mean, obviously, as you're watching it, you realize that it's like Tom is a big candidate or Kendall as well, because of like Kendall's super subservient position at that point, there's a lot of great drama that happens in that episode and ultimately culminates in, Kendall has a conversation with Logan where it's like, oh, it's going to be you. You know, like you, like he believes essentially because of how subservient he is that he'll do it. He'll be a good fall guy and he'll save the company. And then Kendall basically asked him, was I ever going to be the person who was going to be like CEO? And that's, you know, when Logan basically says, like you don't have the killer instinct. And then Kendall goes to the big press meeting where he's going to throw himself under the bus. And then he's ramping up to talking about it. And then this is a big old, but actually Logan is like the malignant tumor within the company. And then he's got the evidence that Greg had kept from cruises and he's going to fight him. And then the end of the episode is Logan smiles because why? Very subtly, yeah. Well, why do you think? He knows his company and his legacy are going to be safe. Kendall's got it. Kendall actually has it. Kendall actually does have it after basically being brought down to the absolute lowest point that you could take that character to. No. I don't see how like you look at that ending and where we ended up at the end of season four and like how these fit together. You know what I mean? How do these sort of things fit together? Like really neatly as a story elements. They're like, no, really fundamentally at the end of it it was just that he was promised something as a child. And that was like, that was it. He's the oldest boy. So he should be CEO. But like that was all there was. So sad to see him absolutely fumble and make arguments you had never seen him make before instead of all of the normal, actually substantive arguments. The problem is that he's given those arguments before to them and all of a sudden Roman's flip flopping for no fucking reason. Shiv is being a bitch as normal and thinks that she should just get all this shit for free. She's the most entitled one of a bunch by a considerable margin. And the show does not punish it for that. It lets it go away. Yeah, the show like rewards her for it. She's the one who's least involved with the company. She's the most backstabbing. She's a traitor to the family and the company many times over, but she ends up just winning it all in the end. And I'm going to go get a drink. Fuck this show. It is interesting, right? We compared this sort of because it was something that we were wondering as a thread as we were earlier on in the show was like each season going to be essentially building up and then knocking down each of the kids. She start with Kendall, build them up, knock them down. And then season two, there was more of like a focus on whether Shiv would potentially become CEO. And then there was that dinner with the pierces that they had where she basically just like openly She tanked herself. Oh, I'm going to be CEO and destroyed it, like tank the deal. And then that all sort of like led down the road and screwed everything up. Excellent scene, by the way. It was, it was a fantastic scene. But I guess if you think like long-term, it's like what were the long-term consequences really that she suffered from like that blunder, which was a massive blunder because I needed that pierce deal. The reality became quickly understood. She has no fucking business making any decisions in this company basically at all beyond just standard critical thinking in terms of normal discussions. Like someone explains to her all the components of a thing and it's like this decision gives us this, this decision, you know, like an ultimate things that all of us could weigh in on. But she doesn't actually know anything works. She hasn't been there at all. She doesn't know any of the people. She doesn't know any of the systems or any of the individual industries that are a part of all of it. And so it's just like, you should never ever be CEO. And that's what the show kept teaching us as we went along. And then Logan did something that I was saying should have happened ages ago or would happen to make her shut up. He gives it the role of president of Waystar Royco. I mean, like, what does that mean? It's like, well, it sounds really good, but you don't have to do fucking anything. You sound really important. You are really important. You don't do anything. You can just do whatever the fuck you want. Like, oh, that's that shiv. That sums her up. And that's a really smart move by someone like Logan Roy to shut her up, but to give her something that she clearly wants, but she also doesn't have any accountability or reliability on anything. She's just there. What is arguably the next best thing or even a better thing for her to end up with? Well, not CEO, but wife of CEO. That's like perfect. She gets to have the influence at a level she wants, but she again doesn't have any accountability or responsibility. And she's arguably anchored herself in with a kid. It's gonna be really hard for Tom to get rid of her after that. It's just such a fucking shame that she gets to have everything she wants. Well, it's just, it's kind of, when you compare it to someone like Kendall who was punished significantly, but then of course there's a contrast with like, he made several significant moves. It's the reason why I was so baffling that like Shiv and Roman seemed like so insistent that it couldn't possibly be him. It's like, it's hard to generate the arguments when he is like, he was single-handedly responsible for like dealing the most damage, you could say to the company essentially in trying to take over it. Or more aptly that he made a lot of the best moves. He almost won the board meeting in episode six. The reason why he lost that was because he was, it was that uncertainty that he had, like the insecurity that he had to go over to talk to the killer instinct. Yeah, because he talked to Ewan. It was one of the best representations that you have him faltering on all those individual pieces, trying to fix them up and repair them and ultimately it kills him. Meanwhile, what does Logan do? Comes in for a normal day, is annoyed that they're taking so long, finds out the whole company's about to get taken from underneath him and he just shouts at everybody, shouts of all the, counters a lot of the arguments, gets them all scared and then actually wins. Like it was the power of Logan Roy and that was the one aspect that Kendall needed to have and he began his path to really nailing it at the end of season two. And then we find out like they undo it, they roll it back. It's just like, ah, what a fucking shame. Because I think the reality is like it just, I don't know, maybe people disagree, but like to me it seemed like the clear and obvious route to take for the show in terms of like the broad overarching narrative is that like Kendall becomes his father, essentially. He turns into Logan Roy, not quite the same like a different version of him, but ultimately like the same version through like complete destruction and reconstruction of that character. Don't, don't get us wrong. We're not looking for the good ending or the happy ending, looking for the sensical ending and where it seemed to be building everything up to until you hit season four is the Kendall was going to become his father and it was going to be harsh to watch, but impressive. That he would, he would become a lot more ruthless. We got those moments. We got those moments. Oh, we got this thing. It was all built. It was really fucking executed well. And then it got fucked. They changed their mind. And I am inclined to agree with Brian Cox, Logan left the show way too fucking early. Well, his death closed the door to a lot of like further narrative payoffs. And of course, like the counter I'm going to be like, well, it was shocking right. And like the death was kind of handled in a way that felt more realistic in the sense that it begins with like uncertainty as to whether he's dead. Like the situation is developing and evolving. Like, you know what I mean? Like sort of a more grounded. And then, of course, the fact that, you know, sometimes people die unexpectedly, like sometimes people die and you don't see it come and like an illness, something that happens to them. So it's got all of those elements. But like Logan Roy was like such an interesting character to not have him anymore. Like that absence really was. You've got to be careful and make sure you know what you're doing. But it felt like they didn't. And yeah, so in conclusion, I hated season four and it's it's arguably like it's tarred the show so bad. I was trying to explain it's the exact same way of Game of Thrones. The it's like just double up everything, right? Season one and two golden seasons one through four and Game of Thrones are pretty much golden. And then the last season just killing it through fucking up all the characters, just failing the plot writing and killing the overall thematic element of the show that I was so fucking interested in. Couple of things here and there. You might like a couple of performances, couple of scenes, couple of this, that and the other. It's, you know, cool and stuff, but fuck me that season. And it's to the point where if someone said like, so do you recommend it? It's really fucking hard to. And I would probably recommend stopping after season two. And you can imagine how everything went. It's a really solid ending season to honestly. Yeah, this ending of season two was it was like the high point. We were so excited. That was the peak of investment. You got to understand, guys, we were thoroughly impressed with this show, like for those first two seasons. Yeah, like pretty enamored with it. Some of the best TV I've seen. It was absolutely excellent. And it's probably my favorite role from Brian Cox. He's fucking brilliant. He was fantastic. Everybody's great. Like the performances are excellent. Like everybody's everybody's really great at embodying those characters and giving them those little subtleties and nuances. Soundtrack is awesome. I really like the soundtrack. Yeah, yeah. So there you go. So there you go. That was nice and quick. There you go. Sorry, we needed we've been sitting on that for a while and we needed to get that out. Yeah, and I'm memory holding a lot of that show at this point. I'm going to forget a lot in a month's time. I'm probably not going to remember most of it. It upset me quite a bit. So it's it's going away. Now we're upset on that one. That was that was pretty painful. Especially during that finale. Holy shit. But I loved I loved the times that I loved with it. You know, I'm a. Yeah, I guess now because it happened. Now I've seen some people say like, wow, so what are the four hours today? I spent all the other successions. Like that's not how it works. We're going to finish the video. We finish the videos. OK, so it takes as long as it takes. Now I'm going to I guess signal that the spoiler times are undone. OK, we're not going to say anything about succession now. It's all over. That was it. That's all done. And I know they're going to be hyper passionate fans. So like they need to address further. They need to make a break down. You're not getting it. That was it. That's all we want to do about session. I'm sorry. Fuck this show. I'm not thinking about it anymore. It's I'm done with the show. Fuck it. It's you know, we do different breakdowns of different things. That one that was just that was that was painful. And I'm done. I don't want to I don't want to think about succession ever again upset me. Um, yeah, fuck it. Don't recommend now we're talking about what are we doing today is is the first of I think we did it once before, but we're doing a kind of different format this time slightly Skywalker. I think we do for Joker. We do a cinema wins and sins on Joker as well. I remember us. Remember cinema wins was the one that muted the gunshot. I think we knew the blood splatter, but not the gunshot. That was brilliant. Classic. I remember though what we're doing is we're going to check out good old cinema wins and sins. But we're going to we're going to mark them and we're going to see who wins. And I'd like to take a bet before we start on behalf of, I suppose, the audience and ourselves as to who do you believe will win. Now, the rules are I want to be very clear. They get one point per highlighted point on their video that we consider valid. Now, not significant or substantive necessarily explain. Should we do like points and half points, maybe? Oh, that's like, I think binary might be the way to go. I don't know. Well, I think I think it'd be it'd be better to say because, you know, a lot of the time when we cover people, they make like observations that are just really kind of like surface level and you don't really like, yeah, you don't get much credit for that. Like half a point, right? And then you have like a full point or we can do a point and two points. Like, oh, you that's really like if they say something particularly insightful, they get like a little example or two points. If if that. So what would you give them if one of them said Benedict Cumberbatch does a really good job? He's acting well. Point five, they'd be half a point off a point. Hmm. What do you think for me? Because I think I don't think that that should know. I don't I don't know that I want to I'm going to give them points for like real sort of insight. OK, so I am I love how all three of us have a different point of view. I was actually going to make it binary. That if it's valid and fair and true, then point. If it's not, then no point. I don't know. I don't know how much I want to reward. Like, oh, yeah, Benedict Cumberbatch is a good actor. It's like, yeah, it's real. Like, yeah, no shit. We all know it's pretty clear that he's doing a good job. It doesn't mean that much, you know, with all the great actresses. Like, yep, nice, safe, boring observations. Like, let's OK, so what about the rags of suggestion that they get at least point fives for non substantive true points and then substantive true points get a point? I think that's damn. Like, I don't know. I'm almost thinking about it. You know what to be true? Because there was a there was a negative point. As someone said, negative points for lying slash misrepresenting. Oh, well, then it would just be a battle of who's less negative, which would be funny. But there was there's a show. I don't think it's called like around the horn. It's like a sports show that I've just caught idly on what I meant, like bars or restaurants and it's playing. And they have four guests. And the guests talk about sports topics and things of that nature. And there's a host in the host gives them a number of points based on how true or insightful the thing is, which is sort of where I get the idea. Well, oh, yeah, that's true. That's a correct stat. So a point or someone says, well, this this player got traded to there and that matches well with this other player. So that means that their stats of the touch of the like ding ding ding. That's three points. That's very interesting and insightful. So that way, it's not just a matter of who could name off the most observations. Part of the reason why I was going to go with the binary is because at the very we're not only going to have trouble deciding whether or not something is a half point a negative point or point would depend on the system. But we'll also we may disagree as a team of five, but luckily, because we're five, we can vote to go like, say three of us said it was a point, two of us didn't, then that can overrule and, you know, and that's much easier with binary than it is with, like, if I say it's half a point, Mel says, yeah, half a point. Then Rick's like, no, that's a point meme says that it's a point. And then Fring's like, oh, I don't I don't know. I think it's like two points. It's so good. Five of us will never have a tie. You would if you have more than two options. That's what I was saying. Yes. Yeah. All right. That's why I'm voted. That's why I prefer binary because we can't fuck that up then. I don't think it's a matter of us fucking it up really. Well, no, it wouldn't. That's just like a colloquial term. I just mean we won't deadlock at any point. It'll be quick and simple. Oh, I got you. I still like mine, but I'm not like attached to it in particular. If we could, you know, this won't be the only time we do it, depending on how people like this insane nonsense. We could do it again. Yeah, I like the idea. The concept's really fun. Because if we is it fair if I just say, can we try it this way this time? And then we'll we'll not do it ever again if it doesn't work. So so just to be clear with everyone, the criteria is if they say something that is true, accurate and fair, they get a point. If it fails any of those, it's it's not a point. I don't think we're doing negatives. It's just you get a point per, you know, good, good, good shout. Now, I guess I want to ask this. Let's start a poll with the audience. Who will win? Let's see what chat believe wins or sins. For me, this is easy. I've already I knew. But as you as you started asking the question, I already knew what my answer would be. Well, as well, I was going to give a chance for all of us to answer. So we'll go from left to right, I guess, for me. Well, since we'll win, since we'll win. My vote, it's it's not like out of the realm of possibility that wins could win. But no, it's going to be sins, I think. Well, yeah, I think it's going to be sins. Rex, I think Cinema Sins is going to win meme. Yeah, I'm not going to be breaking the mold on this one. He's such gig a cringe that wins person. Unfortunately, that even though sins is also pretty cringe, I think the cringe in wins will out cringe the sins. There we go. There's your rhyme for the day. I can't see a vote right now because chat will be biased. I mean, they're here. There are we we've accepted that. I think this one's going to be hard for wins, right? Like if we were to make wins as a video, this would be difficult. But I think I could make 27 minutes worth of praise for Multiverse of Madness. It wouldn't be very substantive, though. Oh, that would be the caveat. Yeah, it could be done. We're talking about the stunts or the special effects sometimes or the acting or the some of the editing, some of the cinematography. You know, it would mainly be that. But we could be surprised. You don't know. Absolutely. We could I hope to be surprised. I'll lock it off when it hits a thousand. And we'll see. I got surprised at the play Golem. I don't know if I want to surprise. OK, fair enough to make sure we're fair. OK, we're going to give wins every win he earns. Oh, another question I guess is worth asking is who should go first? Wins or sins? Oh, good question. How do we decide? Let's do because because I think that most of them, well, I think because most of us seem to think that sins is going to win, let's do sins first. And then give wins a chance to come up from behind. Bottom of the ninth, he's down by four. The bases, maybe there's some people on base. I don't know. All of them. Maybe he needs to hit that home run and have that, you know, that that win at the very end. It's tense, you know, the sides of swap for the last time. That's what I think we should do. So go chat votes, 76 percent likely for wins. And we do we say we start with sins? Yeah, I think we're going to start with sins because I think he's more likely to win, which will be dramatic. Keep a track of his points as we go as everyone is in. Yes, so we'll start with cinema since we're here for those who don't know a channel based around just making a fun, goofy comedy video about how a movie is bad and he applies it to all films. So you get different results in terms of what he might try and make a joke, but he might also try and actually criticize the film. You never quite know. Oh, this is not a good start. Oh, I hadn't even. What's the date on this video, geez? Better help. I mean, better help. I've seen rising again. I think they've maybe they've they fixed up their fucking. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe the app is I would have wanted to rebrand if I would. Wait, is it? Is there a conversation? I'm not aware of better help has a crazy history of back in the day being I think like presented by so many YouTubers who then one of them two of them, whatever, look to the actual like way the thing works. And as far as I know, you submit yourself, you sign up, you subscribe, whatever. And you get given a counselor to tell you like, you know, are you OK? And it was sold as though professionals will be helping you. And the way that you could become a counselor on there, it required nothing. You could just sign up basically. Oh, so basically you just get someone to talk to. Yeah, you know, ultimately, you could say it's a people call it a scam. It's like it's just fucking discord almost. I'll just jump in with you, guy. But I don't want to make any claims about it right now. I haven't looked into it recently. This was I'm talking fucking. What was this like? We make no claims. Like eight years ago sticks or something like that. It was a number of years ago. It feels like it was ages ago that better help scandal happened. But if you look it up on YouTube, you'll find all kinds of videos about it. I like I said, I haven't looked into them recently, but apparently I didn't even know they were around eight years ago. I know of them because of like since last year or something when people start talking about it. I didn't know they were around for so long. That's interesting. Yeah, the original scandal was one of those like early. Be careful who you promote. Right, right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right, then. Now it is weird. Is everyone ready? I assume so. Yeah, let's go. I'm ready to sponsor this. We understand the importance of mental health and are glad to continue to encourage our viewers to find time to connect with a licensed therapist that will work with you. BetterHelp.com. I'm sure they wouldn't still be claiming their licensed therapist if they weren't. I'm sure like it couldn't possibly be right. That would be a. Listen, we'll guide you to your questions that will help you connect to a great therapeutic match. You could be matched with a therapist in a little of 48 hours and be able to talk to someone on your time, all from the comfort of your home. Get 10% off your first month with our link below. Oh, boy. Well, well, well, well. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well. Oh, well, well, well, well. Oh, Jesus. The load I took 34 seconds to logo. Oh, all right. Thanks. I hate it already. So that is correct. OK, this is where we before we really start. We really make a mistake on those half points already. Are we boys? So I'm just about to say, are we are we going to include negatives? We definitely not doing that. like 1, 0, or negative 1, depending on... I'm trying to think of a time where we'll really want one. Say for example, he said something like, fucking, I don't know, like an actor is in this one, they're not. Like something that's just... blatantly fucking false. Would we want to give out negatives, or no? So this is the problem with the set of Ascends. It's hard to tell the difference between criticisms, deliberately inaccurate criticisms, and jokes. Well, so yeah, what you'll find from Ascends' fans is they'll say he does that with every movie. It's supposed to be funny. Hmm. Which are, okay. I don't know if, what was the J-way around this? Like, yeah, but is what he said accurate or not, and I guess... Is it obvious? Is it signposted, et cetera? I forget what the rules were, but, you know, part of it is like, fine, we'll treat it all the same way. You know, like, it's hard to tell the difference a lot of the time, and that why don't you just treat the assessment of it as a joke if it's gonna upset you too much? Like, this is all for fun anyway. But, I don't know what to do with 34 seconds of logos, like, I guess that's true, but it's not exactly... I don't know if I counted it as fair. I mean, I haven't timed it, so... It's not inherent, like, with all fans. I assume that it's accurate, but because it's long, yeah. Yeah, like, what we wanted for counting as a point is fair and accurate, right? So... Right. Well, in that case, yeah, it's probably, yeah, it's not fair, right? Logo's long. It's a legal thing. They can't actually do anything about the logo necessarily, but... You know, they worked hard on a movie. They can have their logos up for a while before it, you know? Yeah, yeah. They do clever things with the logo review as well, but... We'll just say no points awarded for that one. Sorry, Sins. No points. No points. 34 seconds of logo. Behold American viewing public, this star on the back of America's jacket, which is something I'm supposed to be excited about, but the fact that I'm not just makes me feel like I've been thrown into an exam I haven't studied for a class I didn't know I was taking to a school I didn't realize I was attending. I don't know what that was. Wait, what? Was that even a criticism? No, I think that was a joke. Not the jokes, I think. It's tempting to have a negative point. It really is, but I guess we're committing to no negatives. Sins, we voted for you. We don't have to commit. We just started this like four seconds ago. It's true. It is true, but what were the criteria just so I'm clear? Fair and accurate is a point. I guess either fair and non-accurate or not fair and accurate. I don't fucking... zero. What would zero be exactly? We've got to be clear on our rules. Zero, well, we could be... Zero, like the first one, right? It's the true. It's 30 seconds, four seconds of logos, but that's fine. You just made an observation, but you made it a negative, but it isn't. So it's kind of like that balance of, oh, you think it's negative, but it's true, but it's not. So it's just like, okay, neutral. We come out neutral. What was the question? How do we define negative one? And what would a negative one be? Negative one would be something that's probably that he thinks is a problem or something that he... like he gets it wrong in terms of saying it's quality, but he also gets it wrong in what he took away from the observation. So he noticed the thing wrong or he got a detail wrong or he was inaccurate, and he made an inaccurate of quality statement about it as well. So should we just say the inverse of one point, which if it was fair and accurate for a point, unfair and inaccurate for negative one? Yeah, something like that. And then zero is just when it's a bit of a combinational murky ground of both. That's probably the best we can do, I think. Sure. Okay. Also, you're writing this down, right? I'm gonna tally him, yeah. Okay, I just make sure before we go that we're all not just keeping mental notes. The first point was a zero, but second point, I don't know what to do with this. I don't even know what he's... I think it was correct who ever said that's just a joke, but it's not anything. Yeah, so zero. Yeah, zero is fair. I did about it, but the fact that I don't know it just makes me feel like I've been thrown into an exam and studied for a class I didn't know I was taking. In school, I didn't realize I was attending. Are there like three different cuts in that line? I mean, why not deliver it again? Is he out of reference? Correct. One point. Oh my God. See this? Well, all kinds of things will happen here, I'm sure. Who knows? I mean, why not just freeze it again? Is he out of refrigerant? It's too strong. I can't hold it. Well, then instead of fucking watching it for the rest of your life, why don't you try doing whatever it is you came here to... Wait, why are we here? I'm assuming it has more function than just defending my eyes with an amethyst CGI soup. Oh, sure. Well, that's not a very good point. It's like he was almost there. Because what you want to say is... Doctor Strange spends way too much time not doing things in this moment. Yeah. But I guess you could argue he's considering killing her and that's why he's 50-50. But we have to get into how stupid it is that he hasn't decided to just fucking do it straight away. Like chop a head off sort of stuff. That was just half baked. It was close. So is that a zero? I guess if you wanted to have a half point, that would be what it would be, where he's half right and then he fucked up. We introducing another? I don't think we're doing half points here. I think it's like you get it right, it's a zero or you got it wrong, negative. I think he says I give it a zero. It's like you're almost there, you need to straighten it out a bit. Yeah, I'm half with zero. No half points. No half measures, Walter. I'm not going to give... I'm not going to give IGN the ownership of the half point system. Oh well IGN actually, I think I got it wrong. IGN is not just half points, they do like 0.1 points. They have the seven point system. We've got a suggestion that he was outright wrong because they do point out they're trying to get to the book. Someone else said he's right because he's pointing out that he's pointing out that they should be trying to get to the book. But like I said, it's very gray to me in terms of exactly... If we let's do it one more time, let's see if we can really figure out any definitive point he's making. Too strong! I can't hold it! Well then, instead of f***ing watching it for the rest of your life, why don't you try doing whatever it is you came here to... Wait, why are we here? I'm assuming it has more function than my own. It's like he was almost there. It's weird that he wrote it this way as though he doesn't know that they're getting the book. It was signposted in this scene that they're getting the book, so... Yeah, I'm going to go... This is by Amethyst. CGI soup. Amethyst. Because I know what Amethyst is. It's my birthstone, in fact. In fact, it's about rags. The Amethyst is my birthstone. But I don't know what he means when he says an Amethyst CGI soup. Maybe it's like... What's that? It's a color maybe? Yeah, isn't that a color? So it's purple, right? Yeah, Amethyst is purple. Dang, it's a purple CGI landscape. Oh, the landscape. I thought he was talking about the monster. I thought he was talking about the monster or the props or something going on here. But I guess it's purpley in the back, kind of. Yeah, it's purpley in the back. It's purpley. This is zero points. Someone said the reason he's not mentioning the book is because he's making the joke that we... I'm just like... I hate the multi-layered analysis. We figure out how ironic he's being. Amethyst CGI soup. Oh, sure, you can suck out the multi-dimensional powers of this girl with your right hand while trying to keep a barrier around the demon with your left hand. But for some reason, you can't just use that right hand to strengthen the barrier or throw a lollipop at it or whatever it is you dirty sorcerers do with that right hand. Correct. It's like the amount of hands and focus that you use on a spell should kind of determine how strong... multi-tasking with magic seems like it diverts your attention and thus the power of the spells that I'm doing this over here. You think he'd freeze with the other hand. Yeah, strengthen it with the other hand. Like he said, yeah, it's just... I don't know what he's doing. Yeah, pretty basic. Super basic and all magic rule for fiction. The more you can focus on a singular thing, the better that thing will be. Multi-tasking is where the skill and the practice and the concentration comes in. Steven turns to his left and the next shot is him looking at his watch, despite it being on the table to his right. Well, no, that's not even 180 rule. That's just... It's complicated because you could just argue, well, no, he turned again between those shots because you don't show everything. But it's a little unintuitive for the viewer, I think. Yeah. Well... Steven turns his head to his left and the next shot is him looking at his watch, despite it being on the table to his right. I think that's fair, and I'm sure you can see it's a nitpick. I think it's fair. Could there be a really weird angle for the camera to be? Like behind the night stand by the books on the wall or the radio? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to... I think the watch is facing the right way as well. I think it is, yeah. It's just a really, really small thing that when they're filming they must have fucked it up somehow. I'm sure the shot where he looks at the watch... Steven turns his head to his left and the next shot... That shot's probably done in an entirely different time and place, like it wasn't... ...he's looking at his watch despite it being on the table. So yeah, we give him one for that, right? Yeah. It's really small, but I think we have to consider it fair and accurate. It's still a good observation. Yeah. Either someone in charge of continuity or we missed an epic double take that would have snapped strange his neck. At least you forgot he was magic. You guys might... I think that's just... So tying ties isn't difficult, but it's nice to be able to use magic. He wants to do it really magic. That's fine. No points awarded for that. And he has broken hands. Yeah, he's got broken hands, so probably doing it with magic is less painful for him, I would imagine. I'd be upset that Christine isn't marrying Steven in this scene, with her Tony Stark and Streis. So it makes that long a way to Sherlock a T'wah joke that I've been holding on to for six years. I wouldn't be above Lennie Everett. We've already decided this is his... So yeah, we know Sivis does references where he just says, remember this other thing, and it's like, that's no points, I'm sorry. That's not a sin, that's just you referencing something else. You get it. No points. I'm sorry. I wish it had been different. Oh, I guess he's just... I guess he's saying it's boring. I think you get negative points for that. I think you might. Oh, shit. Is this our first negative? Yeah, I think this is... It's totally unfair. I went through that whole conversation when I reviewed it. That's good. About the cats. So... Yeah, are we actually awarding negative one? What we have as our description for that is inaccurate and unfair. Does it qualify or does it qualify something else? I think it's sufficiently unfair. It's sufficiently unfair. It's just, there's nothing else to it, right? Like, there's no... Well, it's neither accurate nor inaccurate, and it's unfair, so I think that's one point. I think chat seemed to feel it's a negative one as well. All right, very well. I'm ready to give it a negative. It's two conversations that are skipped, one of which is going to be a foundation for... It's going to be a foundation for... Yeah. Even though obviously thematics are... Yeah, you need to acknowledge them in order to know how they're broken. I wouldn't be above letting Everett K. Ross in on the phone as well. I wish it had been different. Sorry, I completely forgot. You're right. Yeah, he skipped the conversation you had with Dr... other doctors. Forget his name. Yeah, the two... Yeah, a good amount of stuff right now. To skip, remember the days when we would use mobile phones to call emergency services, instead of just using them to record people in trouble? Good times. Yeah. Because it's not out of character, but it's kind of lame that he would do that instead of immediately calling people. But that's that guy, you know, and I can believe someone would do that, unfortunately. Yeah, we do live in current year. But is that a zero? Or is that... I guess, yeah, if... It's just an observation at that point. It's not a criticism. Yeah, zero. Gosh, he's stacking up. Good times. What the actual flying f*** is Stranger doing here? He sees this car hurtling towards a monster. Oh, yeah, buddy! He's trying to f***ing zoom ahead, but he can eat the car and fly away. Instead of eating the car and the mother and child, he's trying to save. Wait, what? Oh. It seems like he's saying that, oh, Dr. Strange, I guess, just hoped that the monster wouldn't eat the woman as well. So I think you've actually come up with a way. Oh, no! He believed the car would fly away instead of eating the car and the mother and the child. Yeah, yeah, Fring's right. He's saying that Dr. Strange summoned this thing in the hopes that it would only deal with the car and that it wouldn't turn on the mother and child, which is not a worry at all. Oh, you were so close. It's the idea that this is an insane... That was an easy dunk, dude. We were so hopeful. And then it was just like, oh, it's a good thing it didn't eat the mother and the kid, too. What? I would be more concerned with the car that fucking landed on some innocent civilian. Yeah. Or is he trying to say that the nature of the spell is such that he has to hope it only eats the car and not the child? So I think it's a bad faith assumption to say that he doesn't have control over the head. Yeah, he believes the head has some agency of its own rather than just being a thing that is directly and solely controlled by Strange. So yeah, that's a good point. I don't know if it's... I can believe someone thinking that he's summoning a head from another dimension and it's doing its thing. No, it's not an impossibility, but the way you always go good faith, you don't go bad faith, right? In the realm of possibilities... I mean, good faith to him in the sense that I think that's what he could reasonably think based on how crazy... Yeah, we know that. He put it in the video. It's not fair. The actual criticism he should be making here is like, why are you summoning a demon head to eat the car? Why is that the way that you try to save when it sends the car flying? Look, you can see it, the car's flying elsewhere. Yeah. The criticism is not... It's weird as well. He's highlighted that you're lucky it ate the car and flew away. It moved the car. It didn't even fly away with the car. You know, like... So, yeah, he almost had it. He had components he needed to iron that one out because it's weird. If he was actually saying, like, so weird to summon a creature to eat the car, I'd be like, well, I think he's just... that's just the form it took. He's just trying to move it. I still think it's a plus one. Nah, it's not accurate. It's not fully accurate. It went off the rails a bit there. Listen, you understand the kind of thing we're doing here. We gave him a point for the watch one when that is, like, not consequential whatsoever. But it's because it's actually accurate and written well. That is what is happening. And this is not what is happening. Yep, zero points. That it'll eat the car and fly away instead of eating the car and the mother and child he's trying to save. Again, why the f**k is strange picking the most complicated ways to deal with these obstacles? What's stopping him from sling-ringing that s**t into the Antarctic? Yeah, that's fair. You did it. Did he put it into his counter? We get two? He's still going. Having him from sling-ringing that s**t into the Antarctic. Look at the f**king car that he's creating behind him. Probably nine minutes in, we're already waiting dangerously close to Green Lantern summoning a f**king machine gun levels of dumbassery. Yeah, that was the same. Is that count as two? No, that's one. That's one. Also, another thing we should probably highlight then, are we always going to stick to whatever they decide is the conclusion, like the ding, or are we going to go by how many points they make? I think it should be one ding is one point. Do we want to behold into their ding system? Because I can't remember if their ding systems are the same between sends and wins. Should we keep it stable? Say, for example, he said you could have used this spell and you didn't. You could have used this spell and you didn't. You could have used this spell and you didn't. And then he does a ding with that count as three for us or one. I think that count is one because he's listening. You could have used alternative spells like these. And this one would be why aren't you using this one piece of equipment? You did this which caused the separate issue, which is the carnage behind you. I think I see what you're saying. I get what you're saying, that the way that it should work is using their system. That constitutes, apparently, a one point. Okay. I think the issue might happen if sends and wins really are different, but we'll see when we get there. We'll figure it out. I got the point, you're making. Yeah. I'm looking into the future right now into the future where we switch to wins and I'm just remembering that wins is a lot more long-winded than sins and that he might actually have four, five, six, seven, eight points within a single win that might make us re-question the system again. I just wanted to bring that up. That could end up fucking it up a little bit. We'll have to see and we may have to feel it out at that point. Say, for example, sins has 100 points and we give them 50 of them. While wins makes 40 points it's weird, right? Yeah, we can reassess. We can reassess. I don't know that I feel like that's the best one. You need to get away from this thing. It's not necessarily only going forward. Why would he stream it like it's the donor? It's not a donor. This is not a wide open field. This is a street with a lot of obstacles. It's broken from the get-go. The tentacle monster is chasing her. It's not just going in the direction. Exactly, that's what I was about to say. Because she turns the corner and the next shot I'm pretty sure and he turns because he's alive and chase-a-girl. I won't give her really any shit for being in a stressful situation like that, seeing an open space ahead of you and taking things to the left and right and making that clear option. Was that a zero or a negative one? I would say it's a negative one because I don't think it's true. I think it's inaccurate and unfair. He wanted to do the Prometheus Strike because that's one of his running gags. It's a negative one point. These are not the same scenario. You cannot compare them. They did not go to the same school. You want to make the jokes. It looks badass, but why are the squishy sorcerers engaging in hand-to-tentacle combat? Keep your distance. Do some spells and shit. I agree. That is a point. Good job, sir. Excellent. This person trying to drive his motorcycle through here. That's true too. Typical motorcycle driver. Think the road belongs to them. Excellent. Another point. Cloak is smarter than this, right? Instead of whisking America away out of sight, it's just flying straight up in the air with a motorcycle at it. I said go around a corner as soon as possible. It's pretty much the same point, I think. It's going quite high up, right? It's very lucky that America landed on that ledge. I think he gets a point for that. You could argue that Cloak is making two mistakes there. It's making it so that if he drops her, she has to suffer and it's still in range of antical boys. Valid. Also, because I edited this part in your video more, post-traumatic flashbacks to all the slowdowns. How fucking long it takes to edit the whole thing. You'd get like one fight scene done. You're like, yay. Yeah, especially because it's so bad and you just keep seeing more flaws. And now they're using magic chain to try and restrain the octopus monster, which has shockingly a little effect on it. So either these are the lamest sorcerers to ever sorcer or they are deliberately f**king around ignoring any inconvenience, damage, or death sustained to the New York taxpayers. Wow. One point. I almost want to give him two points for that in terms of good faith. He actually said like, you know, if this is a viable spell, then why is it doing nothing? And then if it's not viable, why the hell are you using it? Okay, so I guess we are deciding then that our system is not bound by... Well, I'm just saying that was some good faith you don't always get in these videos. That was good faith. Surprisingly. So are we introducing a plus two, which is when he's accurate fair and kind of goes above and beyond to make sure? As long as I think we got to be pairing with it, I think that it takes like a plus two is the most that you could probably get. Maybe like that's our ceiling for points you can get. So as long as we treat it with a bit of reverence, then I would be okay with it. What do you think about that one? Do you think it earns it? Part of this will depend retroactively on what else we give two points to. But... Um... We could flip a coin on it. Oh, I want to know your opinion. Well, that's why I said a lot of this will depend on what we give point, you know, twos in the future because... Why don't you... Why don't you put like one with an asterisk that this could turn into two depending on as we progress through the video? I'll give him two. I'm feeling good. I'll give him again. The point you could have made is what a stupid spell to cast it goes completely wrong. It's like, yeah, okay, that's a point. But then to say, and if... It's delving into like the specifics of how the characters would make this decision and that he's knocked out any possible counter-argument, which is like, that's pretty good. Because someone could have said like, you can't say they're stupid for using it. They're sorcerers, they know what they're doing. It's like, well... You know, he counters it ahead of time. I'll give the character a bit to make maybe that is what helps elevate it, that it takes both of those... Someone's writing an interesting point in chat. You made a negative two as well. I kind of agree with that. Oh, God. That might come up. If it's a foul and stupid point, it might earn it. Say, for example, if a fucking cinema win says Wanda was right, he will be like... No, I thought that's negative ten, my friend. So... Okay, you know what? If we give a plus two, we can give a negative two. We are enabling you to do great and terrible things. So... It's spiraling out of control. Yeah, our system has evolved. We'll be handing out minus sevens in an hour. Fuck it. Wine is 100 points. I don't think this is spiraling at all. We've got under control. I feel like I have a grip on... We go Michelangelo at our block of marble and slowly and surely the pietta is taking shape. It might not... It looks a little rough right now, but one day we will have a beautiful Virgin Mary. Jesus Christ, I just noticed America looks like she's dabbing. Oh, God. She's dabbing on God Gandalf. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Okay, so... Yeah, okay, let us continue. Of course, sir. I can't put my finger on it, but the Doc Octopus fight is so reminiscent of Spider-Man 2. I can't figure out what connects these two things. I totally disagree with that. I haven't even considered that. Well, the reason why you haven't considered it is because they're not even the same at all. I guess. Well, I guess there's like a tentacle-ish thing on the building side. Yeah, the difference is that the actual makes the fight between them is different. Yeah, but on May... It's just like the fight. 100%. No, I... It wouldn't matter anyway. He's getting zero no matter what. This is a subjective like it feels like something, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that. I don't even know how he possibly feels that way. I'll give it to him. I'll be like, okay, tentacles, a building side, woman in peril, I'm crowded city. What about like the actual nature of the fight, the fact that it's like those are different. Tentacle creature versus woman. That's the same. Tentacle creature trying to get a woman on the side of a building. I get it. I never thought about it until this moment until he brought it up, but I guess if that's what his brain goes to, I don't have a problem with that if that's what he thinks about. I really don't see that. I don't either, but I see how he could... I'm actually going to go ahead and say I don't fucking care. It's a tiny thing that he thought about. Who cares? It's connected vaguely. It doesn't have to be a substantive connection. If it was literally just him saying doesn't the tentacle man remind you of you can be like, no, but it's fine. He brings it up. It's fine. I guess that's what comes to your mind. You got to understand more. I'm not arguing that it should be a negative point. I'm just saying I don't see the connection at all. I really don't see it. He's literally just going like, oh, Sam Remy directed both of these. I wonder if that's going to be a running gag in this video. That's what I mean. That's why I'm awarding zero, but just whatever. Yeah, no, I don't want to report, but I don't get it. Took me less than five minutes of playing Portal to realize how momentum works, so I can confidently say this is a dumbass way to save yourself. Oh, wow, you're about to... If you should have done it, just make the exit portal fire him up so that gravity can slow his second to set. Oh, that's my suggestion! That would have been cool as fuck and shown as going back to yourself into a fucking car. Is that two points there? That's one. That's one. So one is pointing out this is really stupid and two is presenting an alternative that's actually kind of like, that would work. I still think this is one territory. Two is a precious thing. I think two is... I would have assumed this is a one. This is a oneer. I can understand that one day with enough care and treatment and if it's well watered and kept in the sunlight as necessary, could one day develop into a two? One point five, we're not doing one point five. No, one point five. Even I'm going to be like... Complicated enough. Because essentially, by the way, just so we're clear we basically replaced the point five and one system with a one and two system just so we're clear. In a way... One is a complete good point above and beyond good point. We've got five different point awards right now so... this system was never even suggested but we have it now. How the f*** has America not run into another Spider-Man already? That's not a good point actually in the multiverse. Yeah, you have to... Well, let me... I don't think that's a very good point at all. Spider-Man could be in a different city. He could be... Maybe it depends on how long he's spent in those worlds. What year are those timelines in? Are they necessarily running in exactly the same year? The time component of jumping universes we're not even going to f***ing get into. The important thing is Spider-Man is not an inevitability in the multiverse. I think that's the important part here. Spider-Man is not inevitable. I mean... Is he, right? It depends on which ones you go to. She would have to miss all of the infinite possibilities. We're getting into multiverse stuff. There's infinite universes where he doesn't exist and infinite universes where he does so it's just f***ing... The problem with weighing this up is that you have two sets of infinite and infinite is not an actual number. She met... Was it two? Before this one? I think she met two. In any case, whichever one she met was a part of teams that didn't involve Spider-Man in those universes. It shouldn't spend much time in a lot of these universes. A lot of them are like paint or something that's absurd that doesn't have any Spider-Man or anything man in it. Surely it's more likely that a doctor strange in a car accident f***s up his hands than a Peter Parker gets bitten by a radioactive spider. Surely the doctor strange one is more likely to happen. I just think it is possible that this has happened. It's not entirely unreasonable and it's just not really a 0.0. Yeah. Only 72 compared to infinity. I think this is perfectly reasonable criticism to make. It's just not accurate. I would almost consider this fair but not accurate. I think that because of the confusing nature of the multiverse and infinites and how this movie plays with it, he's kind of off the hook a little bit. Later, chances are you'd have run into that John Mulaney one by now. Fine's wall shoots webs. Out of his butt. Why would this be your default assumption? That's actually kind of... Well, this is a spider's web. A spider shoots web out of its posterior area but I don't... It makes me wonder what does she think he looks like? Yeah. Yeah. He's a terrible horror-track, awful amalgamate, like some... the fly shit. What does she think? There's Spider's Man which is like a 10,000 spiders that take humanoid form and believe they're Peter Parker. That's a comic reference. Good job. How are we feeling, everybody? Is there a fair thing for her to assume or not? I don't know. It depends on her character whether she would I don't know we have enough to work with in that apartment. The thing about this is I think you can justify it by saying that she might consider it a possibility and it's worth saying because it's funny. Like she might be saying it for that reason. I don't have a problem with her saying that. Yeah. In which case it would make his point a zero, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think this is an offensive. That wasn't a dream. Proof it. So either that portal conveniently landed America of this building or she decided to drag his dead ass all the way up to the roof. I mean, yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Hip portal can open anywhere because it's random. Yeah. And I think you do have to fairly highlight there are far more likely of all the places that could open way more like vastly more of them will kill you than won't. Of course. There's like three quarters of the earth, water. I mean, the same city. Oh, I'm going from the planets. Always New York. I don't know. It opens randomly. So I just, yeah. Oh, well, then again, the end of the film it says you always open the way you needed to go. Yeah. But even you said that's like that's a post hoc rationalization. It doesn't even work. Well, things sort of worked out in the end. It would be cool if it did work that you look back at all the portal openings and they actually made sense. How could you possibly argue that what she did to her parents was deliberate in a subconscious way? It's like no. Yeah. The Illuminati and all this shit and the incursions. Again, the rationale is well, we're not dead. Oh, yeah. I don't think that would be a good kind of so this remains accurate. Even that multiversal like, you know, when we're going through all the multiverse all the universes before they ended up in retard universe which the difference there were a lot which one is yeah which one is there? There are degrees but there are a lot of if my memory serves a lot of those universes they were smashing through weren't in a safe location so it kind of kills that assumption right there. It's of our multiversal selves. Oh, the fuck. Fuck! That's actually kind of funny. Well, so the problem is do we I like that one too, but I don't know if we give points for funny. It's zero. It's sort of like you're like that's you basically said what the fuck and that was it so you don't get any points because you have to actually say words. I think so. I like it and I'm pretty sure I know what he's talking about but he didn't say any of it. Yes, I'm not going to I'm not going to do that kind of heavy lifting for you unfortunately. That's a zero pointer but it did make me laugh so bravo and really that's probably the that's one that you could really take with you you know. Previously on WandaVision What's WandaVision? Oh it's just a six hour TV show that you need to watch so you can fully appreciate what's happening in this movie while it sets about making it completely redundant. That is true. What do we think? Hey, if the director didn't feel the need to finish it or the writer then yeah. I would back him in saying you do need it to understand fully what is happening here which is exactly what he said because you will miss out if you haven't seen WandaVision in a really bad way too. Like I said in my videos some people didn't even know what they were basing it on that Wanda would take over the multiverse. They're like where the fuck did you get that from? It's like yeah they don't mention that in this movie. They don't mention the Darkholds prophesizing that they only say it is prophesized that's just it. It's like since when? From who? So you get that if you watch WandaVision but at the same time you could argue yeah WandaVision it's such a small scale nothing event now compared to what happened in this that this will be everything to do with Wanda now. The stuff happened in fucking Westview won't even matter. Except Vision if he eventually fucking comes back. Do we say a point for that? I'd say that's fair. That's about right yeah. I'm on the ball for that. I'm fine with a point. Well I changed my mind do you think you can come talk to me if you want? Pity talk. I made Wait what? What? Just a joke. Pity fuck joke. Pity fuck pity talk. Oh oh I see um yeah but this is zero. That's a zero. Mistakes and people were hurt. All true but the main thing is that you've learned from those mistakes there's no way this movie would undo an entire season of character growth in 90 minutes right? You don't agree that that was character development do you? This might be approaching negative two territory. Okay so you watched WandaVision and you know that despite how horribly written it is the point that they're clearly making by the end is that she understands what she did wrong and undid it she understands that suffering is bad and that she shouldn't cause it right you could say that right? I think that's the point he's tried to make is like didn't you spend a whole season learning that you shouldn't fucking like torture people and you wouldn't undo that in this film would you? So I think it's right obviously the counter would be the Darkhold affected her character whatever but that argument goes out the second you dig into it as well so I would have given him two points if he dug into that but he doesn't so he's just making the valid point I would say. Okay yeah I can yeah I think so yeah What do you think Rex? You're on board? I will I'll go with the flow on this one Wow, it's pointless Whoa Shoot him We won't shoot you Nope It's all fair Jesus Wanda how the fuck did you make this rookie mistake of saying the name you shouldn't know from old DVDs they were all sitcoms but I bet someone made this exact mistake in one of them and I can't believe this is what makes Dr. Strange realize Wanda is not his friend well it's just like an intelligence thing you don't you know like he just I think it's really disappointing that Wanda fucked it up on just saying a name she shouldn't know the whole DVD thing I assume that's just for a joke that's not like an argument I don't think like you watch sitcoms you should know how to counter that but I think it's valid to say that it's just out of character for her to have made that mistake when she's you know puppeteering all of those Yeah when she knows it's coming and she should be prepared and give him one for that right Hello I would agree I would agree I know it's the book of the damned and that it corrupts everything and everyone that it touches except all the times that it doesn't just say Yeah that the discount book of the dead is solely to blame for making Wanda evil this means the movie can make her do as many f***ed up things as it pleases and we don't have to care because it's not really Wanda doing it I'm going to leave this It's cool he's highlighted but he hasn't made the second half you have to do the second half which is that it's inconsistent it's kind of a bullshit excuse it doesn't really make sense all he said is oh so that's your excuse fine Yeah That's your excuse it's not a good one He didn't say why it doesn't make sense he's just said that's their excuse Yeah in the load of the rings when the ring corrupts people you could tell when it's working you could tell when Boromir is influenced by it and when he's back to being himself it doesn't straddle that line of oh anything bad they do could be like the ring or whatever it's definitely doing a good job at showing the difference People say he's mocking it he's saying it's bad People say why you can't just say it's bad it was a whole point Yeah we want explanation You've got to say why Yeah it's good that you recognized it's bad but like why are you here When Wong slammed into the car Howdy just said that's stupid We'd be like oh well that's zero You've got to do better working Yes you have to show your work Reality And go to one where I can be with my children Oh great I'm just stealing from god damn cloverfield paradox Is it the one A mother going to an alternate First off making me remember cloverfield paradox I was going to say I don't remember Well in cloverfield paradox well to catch those up who are lucky enough to not remember cloverfield paradox There's a woman whose kids die and then when the ship goes into an alternate universe in this universe the woman is alive with her kids in this alternate universe and you go see your kids and everything and she needs to accept that she should be happy for this universe as people and she can't just like barge in on their life and there's like a copy of them with the two moms and stuff so it's a decent parallel to make in terms of shitty movie comparisons But it's just a reference And to some reason the event of cloverfield are happening at the same time It's the same multiverse of yeah when we go to a different universe we're in the same point in the timeline or similar point in the timeline so it all makes for a great fun movie Someone said I disagree the video format is quick points he's not going to explain all of them so all he had to say was it's applied inconsistently so it's not a good excuse That's a second to long Yeah and then the idea that the Wong point he spent like 10 seconds explaining what was wrong with that when he could have just said that was a really stupid move because it's going to hurt you instead of save you Also in those videos there's plenty of times where he goes on for like 30 25 seconds for one point And remember folks something to really really understand about the way we're marking this this isn't we said earlier he was funny you didn't get any points for it it's good to be funny but it's not going to get you points on the system we're marking we're seeing the validity of the sin which we already knew going in the references ones are all going to be zeros but don't worry about it it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be in the video it just means that it wouldn't be an accurate sin if one gets tallied as more accurate by the end exactly oh great the movie is stealing from god damn cloverfield paradox is it the one you use when you gave Thanos the time stone evil Martha Marcy Mae Marlene has a point in infinity war we sort of gave strange a pass for handing the time stone to Thanos because hey after all he looked at 14 million different futures and it was the only scenario that came back positive but seeing the shit that's come after that I feel like 14 million possibilities actually weren't enough so that's so fucked first of all I don't agree with the assessment in the way that he did it but there's a point there but that's a point against infinity war and that's a point in favour of this film if he actually was it would be like yes it wonders got a point it's like no so yeah this is fucked I don't even know what to say about this maybe negative one because from his point of view he should be rewarding the film for this he should be taking a point away from the same counter there should have been more possibilities I wonder if that earns him anything that he made that observation but that's the thing though it's only that would be in favour of wonder like at the time yeah so yeah so negative one point it's just yeah that's completely fucked sorry man I wonder if either of wins or sids will end up with a negative like points at total I don't know oh no reality is she chooses and is prophesied to either rule or annihilate the cosmos so this is definitely something we should be worried about then like something that might bring spider-man or falcon or ant-man into the fray no? well alright then okay yeah you got one point yeah that's definitely a point and I remember counters that were made by people were like what are they going to do against her it's the end of the fucking multiverse they should be there yeah what's the guy with the archer going to do make her feet sticky he called him falcon but he's captain America no he's captain falcon sorry it's still inaccurate then captain falcon I'm going to let him slide for calling him falcon I think it's fair well you know the two points there would have been I know that they may not be able to make you know a complete difference but they should be here it's so stupid to assume like oh we won't want to call spider-man or witch whatever the sorcerer supreme asks of us she'll be done as long as it can be done by six people or less kind of the same point again it's a lot more than six though that's just there they're the leaders yeah that's kind of zero honey zero on mine as well okay those creatures after her instead of myself was mercy no it was just a waste of goddamn time it's the thing a villain does to disguise their evilness too early in the movie when all they had to do was show up and get what they wanted in the first five minutes he's correct there's just a lot of other things you could say such as it's against her interest to have done it but that's kind of covered by him saying it would take much longer so you know I'll say that's a point so what would you have done differently that would not have been mercy since you have to kill America anyway where you're gonna water border or some movie's gonna run with this excuse twice as if the real reason wasn't to cover up the fact that she's the antagonist of this movie correct that's another point mm-hmm very true cinema sense good job you understand that even now what's about to happen this is Michael Waldron you're like what the hell hello nepotism guy please stop making movies and fry fry him that's mean I will do what I want I think this is supposed to make us believe that Wanda is deliberately neutering her powers to some degree instead of tearing apart the fabric of reality to get to America as we all know in Evil Scarlet Witch absolutely could I think although she was really referring to was that she's not going to be sending things anymore she's coming from now I think that this criticism is inaccurate like it's magic against magic yeah a lot of people having to work together yeah you know I think you miss the mark on that one yeah all that's happening there is she's saying like give me America and he's like no and she's like okay but you know what so far like with the tentacle guy and the weird pasta monster from the opening not that he saw that but you know she'd be like I'm not sending that anymore now I'm coming and I'm going to kill all of you which she does so yeah it's um but she already came here saying negative it's just zero right he's correct he's got the wrong workings no because I feel like you're missing the second portion of that where it's like in fact can we replay that because I'm pretty sure that yeah let's do it let's go this is supposed to make us believe that Wanda is deliberately neutering her powers instead of tearing apart the fabric of reality deliberately neutering her powers by deliberately neutering her powers you could interpret that as I'm sending creatures that aren't as powerful as me to do the job but if you fuck with that then I'm gonna be coming like but you know that's a that's what she means he's saying neutering that's a choice of words but what he's saying is the truth is that even in this scene she's neutering her own powers because she could tear reality apart which is the problem is like she probably could just fucking auto win here depending on how you know like it's all very strange this whole scene in terms of like what she can and can't do what she can and can't do throughout the whole movie is a big problem same for strange yeah I'm not sure how I feel about this one in terms of a point I might might recuse myself maybe we should just go neutral then because I'm a low now I'm just confused uh yeah I'm gonna go neutral as well I feel like I don't have enough explanation for him to really know minus seven points this is zero but I'm looking at you I've got a brow raised I'm a little like zero with the brow raised write that down to get to America as we all know an evil scarlet witch absolutely could should and would yes premature source operation I must you get nothing for that no you get nothing zero it's unfortunate because you just highlight like why she's human why isn't that doing anything saying yeah that's what he's gonna do but you know a bit of difference but I'm surprised that the greatest sources on the planet are showing an extreme lack of imagination in the variety of their attacks basically have magic arrows and a magic ballista where are the floating monster hands or the which that we saw earlier true um yeah yeah absolutely yeah they could be doing all kinds of different crazy stuff to especially with you know knowing what the stakes are yeah you could be we could be especially if you're like the sorcerers and you're at the sorcerer school you're here at Hogwarts and you're like man you should be excited that you could use all these crazy ideas you've been thinking of yeah could also add that uh long and strange both don't help with the barrier at all even though they can make huge ones they're really powerful themselves yep that's it for Wanda then much as I'd love to see the attempt I don't see how season 2 WandaVision is gonna bring her back from that yeah you got a point for that do you get a point for that? what's the point? what's the criticism? the point is so Wanda's done as a character right we're not actually gonna pretend like she can have is that a criticism? she's actually gonna get a redemption arc I um I think it's well so I assume the criticism should be um this is either this is out of character or the post this they try to redeem her and it's it's like it's morally fucked or something saying that she killed someone ruthlessly and that it's gonna be difficult to come back from that isn't criticism so this should probably be a part of whenever we get the corner good redemption for her at the end either that or I'm happy for this to be said I think this is this is assassinating it right now right I don't I don't know that that's what he's saying hmm because he even says as much as I'd love to see them attempt to redeem her like Wanda then she's got a cremated bunch of sorcerers here sorcerers here as much as I'd love to see the attempt I don't see how season 2 of Wanda vision is gonna bring her back from that it does feel like a meta observation right at the recognition of they will try and fail which he's probably correct about but that doesn't really that's not fair to this movie that's not yeah well I guess what happens if they actually get like a super talented writer who manages to write a compelling like Wanda redemption story which by the way it is possible it's just not so marvelous capable of I don't know I believe that's a zero yeah zero if he would have said something along the lines of yeah maybe he could have made something out of this like well these these ones were defenseless and out of the fight or whatever and she vaporized him anyway semantics it's a one so it's not semantics it's not semantics he's saying I don't see how they will bring her back from this that's not a criticism that's just an observation that he's interested in first of all we haven't even seen them do that yet like in terms of a like he's he's specified season 2 one division I don't even exist yet and I don't think that's ever gonna exist so yeah it's just it's just not the same criticism as we would have made here and I don't see how it's accurate like oh I don't see it's fair to this film as a sin it's just an observation about the future which could happen it could be really cringe that they try and redeem it I would expect that to happen too you want the girl you want the girl you'll have to go through me fine well then why the f*** didn't we open with this you really have to sacrifice all these people it's not like you use that time to get America to safety you wait until the last possible second to start playing House of Mirrors correct he could have just said no one show up it's not gonna do anything we're just gonna trick her to think that yeah should have done first thing was Miravis put her in there I can't believe he does that as a lost result it's so f***ed up put her in life straight away she's using the reflections she's f***ing what what does that even mean because you trapped her in a Hall of Mirrors she's able to things I think that's enough there doesn't seem to be any rules whatsoever magic can be intuitive with how you see how one thing connects to another it's like the force it used to be kind of intuitive but this is just like you're in a Hall of Mirrors so now because there's reflections on puddles that means that you could get out of the House of Mirrors the light reflects on f***ing everything like the idea to cover the puddles yeah it's so stupid she's using the reflections like oh the whole room then like no the puddles the puddles there are puddles in the room for some reason there are puddles why are there puddles in the room why are there puddles in the room what kind of roof he got there yes he's correct you can count on me Steven I'm gonna cover up all the reflections that I've been inexplicably stared directly into that's a good point excellent point you have no children they don't exist oh but they do in every other universe in every other universe I thought the idea of a multiverse was that every possible outcome to every decision possible exists somewhere shouldn't there be countless universes with countless wandas all pissed off and trying for the same thing he's correct absolutely correct Michael Waldron doesn't know how any of that works he's just like she's the only wanda doing this right now and I remember people the comments being like well yes because wand is a nexus being a what now a nexus being that means there's only one did they say that in the movie no why would it why would it need to be in the movie yeah what an idiot why would that be a thing that you would need to hear he's been called out he's on a roll right now full corrects in a row keep it up it goes strange couldn't open a portal because something it kind of makes me wonder should we do like a streak like a streak counter who gets no no streaks now he's able to I'm wondering if the portal is off the table now or did he just forget that he could he fucked up so yeah the point he's making is how come he can't open portals but he can open serpents does he not know is it off the table how does that work and it's like well what they showed us is that the sling ring was poofed out of existence so you get negative one points this is wrong wrong even mad like a whole scene where it's just gone and that's part of the magic bullshit how you can just do that you think this is a negative one rather than a zero just checking negative one yeah because the sling ring especially because there was a specific scene devoted to strange noticing can go away all right I'm willing to be negative one yeah and it sucks because he was if he paid a little more attention then he'd have an easy criticism which is what the fuck there was a whole scene devoted to strange noticing the ring was gone and that was its own weird like oh shit you could do this like what the fuck it counts as America and strange tumbled through the multiverses I'm not convinced the movie fully understands the implications of showing this animated one I mean we may never see that universe again but now we all know it exists what the hell does that even mean why would an artistic medium from our universe exist as its own distinct universe I'm curious about what he is going to say when he invariably covers across the spider-verse I'm not sure what to say about that I don't know well is he saying that like the world itself is an artistic medium that we use I feel like that's a zero which might be fair but you could still coincidentally have a universe with a different set of laws of physics that look like an animated universe coincidentally well don't we go into like an old timey something thing at one point yeah it's like literally filters on the screen that are happening but not everything yeah but the issue is I don't think that we have any reason to believe that it's logically possible for that to happen so a universe where that exists isn't even going to occur but we don't know I don't know but I would air on the side of it I would air on the side of him probably being correct I would air on the side of being incorrect yeah I don't think I want to give him that one I don't I'm not talking about giving him a point but I he may be right but I don't know but I know I don't think he gets points for that but I'm just saying that the idea of what he's talking about well I would happily give him a it's fair to say but I don't think he's right I agreeish yeah I essentially agree yeah it could be right but you don't get points for it because I don't know how I would get points you get through this universe doesn't have a me but how do you know that because I've looked and because I never dream a lot of people can't even remember their dreams why is this a measuring stick and you can't sorry cinema you might have made a big error here let's let him finish I guess every universe oh okay yeah I think does he get like that's inaccurate then well the second half is accurate you couldn't possibly have checked that's not something you could possibly know is what he's saying hold up the rule that this film establishes that dreams are direct connections to parallel universe versions of yourself which he did acknowledge but it looks like he's saying the fact that people can't remember their dreams is a reason why that's not yeah from his point of view it's not enough that's our world not this crazy Marvel world where apparently your dreams are direct connections to parallel universe well yeah but I'm sure they still forget their dreams in this universe I mean people can forget their dreams but they don't forget that they have dreams right like people know that's the part I was going to zero in on is the just because people don't remember them they often they're very fully aware that I think I would know if I've never dreamed because people know because people know what dreams are and I think that they would understand like why why do people talk about dreams when I've never had one ever in my life however they're colorblind it's it's not like I still think it's retarded but even if I didn't because apparently there are people who don't dream so if I were a person that would never dreamed I wouldn't then assume from what strangers said that I'm the only America I was was this before or after this is after they've established it but I still don't I don't I don't buy that that's good enough if he said to me dreams are or so whoever says dreams are a way to look into your other realities is like oh I don't dream so I guess I'm the only one of me it's like I don't think I don't think we can assume that yeah that would be zero points then right I think or are you we think that this is an accurate criticism of America Shavas interesting thing is if you knock out a lot of people kind of remember their dreams if you knock that out this is a one point it just looks like that's hit one of his cause like that's foundation for the argument but I think I assume it's more than just that I get what I get the lanes to the side of a point because it of the have a lot of people can't remember their dreams it's just I don't have dreams why is that your metric for whether you exist in other multiverses and then he does say you can't have checked every looking like that on its own as a point um yeah I I'm leaning to give him a point on this um yeah I'm leaning towards a point you know I am I am leaning to a point as well okay I'll give you ever give him the point before we proceed no no no someone in chat said Loki established different universes are created by choices the question is why would that cause a universe to look cartoony um well it could be at the versions could be at the bit point of the big bang yelling go all the way back to maybe even before creation and that this choice is being made yeah are there choices being made at that point that we have to go good faith right you have to assume the model universe the way it's created we have no idea how it was created so we have to just opt to go okay apparently that's possible I don't think it contradicts anything necessarily it's like insane theoretical you know bullshit we're in the realm of insane theory but I guess under those crazy rules where we have abandoned reason and all of its I would have to call it like lazy lazy in the sense that we want a quick route to getting some cool visuals and it's like I guess you can do that sure in the same way that multiverse is lazy it's like I want to have access to these characters but they're dead okay we'll just go to the multiverse fuck you okay can't have possibly checked every nook of every universe for another version of you food free and most universes actually hey right you didn't pay for that how the fuck did 838 ash not know that America had walked off with a pizza bowl without paying for maybe he was having somewhere else pizza bowls lying around for people to pick up or does he prepare them for each customer like a normal vendor maybe it was made for himself because I can understand someone saying that we just have to think for five seconds he could have them prepared he could have them prepared as an example is like this you can buy you know and then you look the other way while she grabbed it that's a zero he's a vendor he has one it's a pretty decent connection to make and it might have been his like he'll stop in a few minutes about three weeks the guy asked America to pay for her pizza balls and because he insulted you a little bit you cursed him to punch himself for three weeks which is going to put this vendor out of business glad you think this is hilarious you got one point what a fool he is to not counter the upcoming fucking slurry of comments saying it's a reference to evil dead idiot no but I know I know it it was evil demons making him do that and evil dead and here it's doctor strange yeah why the fuck are you evil demons yeah you get a point absolutely very accurate doctor brings being a prick replay your significant memories this really isn't how memories work each time we recall something we are literally recreating the events in our head it isn't like a blue ray player this rendition is just as likely to be filled with our own biases and false recollections and if anything we'll just end up compounding them agreed yeah yeah yeah there are there are several ways to break down how stupid this is he's chosen one that I think is valid so yep yeah absolutely that's accurate yeah you you took you could have taken many shots you took one and you hit it so I feel like this technology would be way too easy to abuse or misuse oh he's still going you just know movies would immediately adopt it as a lazy way to give us exposition about where's this home god damn it yeah yeah this is accurate and a night neat neat way of delivering that to oh yes yes yeah good on you for the bit of artistry and craftsmanship there good job time for this doctor strange would be amazing it's an it's fucking the same video where we had pity time okay wait we don't have time for the yet like doctor strange is correct and then you saying he's good at cinema sins implies that you're saying that he is correct to criticize her for doing this but that would be a point to the famous films favor not against it yep we don't have time that's how the layers here get confusing sometimes that's a zero I mean this doctor strange might not the one from the first movie but he'd do it way better but this doctor strange backwards you lost his streak again come over oh no I'm curious who will have the biggest points to know no ultra kill for you I was a portal open up behind America's parents and in front of America in this memory but every other portal that's open in this movie has opened behind America convenience superhero loses their parents storyline is convenient now that's not that doesn't seem like a point to me why so in two instances opens behind her and one instance is opens in front of her so it seems like we don't know enough to establish any kind of pattern I'm trying to think of all the times it opens up so well once you punch it behind her in the prologue well you can't count any of the times where she has full control over it so behind in the prologue behind when they travel into different universes and in front here so that's three times that's like flipping a coin three times and being like how the fuck did I get ahead when I had two tails there was not a pattern to go off of I think that's wrong is what that is they'd have to explain why it appears behind her and then it randomly appears in front of her for no reason that's what they'd have to do but because we're just going purely off description you opting for a negative one there for me and then of course because someone in chat saying it's convenient it's not convenient all three of them get sucked through the portal so it doesn't change anything that's actually true too how come they landed in different places if they got sucked into the same portal well it's crazy I don't know the way the portals work it does seem like they they're going boom boom boom boom boom so if you get sucked in and then someone else gets sucked in a few seconds later I can buy that they end up in different places sorry negative one yeah don't brush all of them to wrongness well inaccurate and unfair I think it does qualify yep which is interesting because when I first heard him say it I was like ooh is that a point that I was like no the memory thing why wouldn't it show us what happens after America goes through the portal so this unit yeah you got a point for that fair so the point is that everyone dresses monotone the cities are decorated with an abundance of foliage and the traffic light colors are flipped I mean I'm giving him a point I don't fucking twitter hated that one but it's true oh true Wanda has the ability to conjure demons and monsters to attack America and other universes on the surface this is one of the most worthless powers I can think of she was writing the script to Dr. Strange 2 conveniently doesn't know how to use their multiversal powers to drive the block it's a very specific thing that you could do I can attack alternate versions of you in different dimensions so take that through monsters not even me doing it it is a very very specific power that you have and no one would know if you're lying or not people would just assume you're lying they're like you can't do that it has I'm going to kill you in Minecraft energy is that a funny zero or is that a one I think it's a funny zero but I'm feeling funny zero but I could be funny zero but it is kind of a funny thing yeah it is alright it's like my power is I can admit a wifi signal but only when there are no phones around you know it's like it's a super power but it's really useless you know kinda yeah I'm going to be careful here if a copyright is playing a lot of the movie yeah you know just in case their enemies can travel between multiverses tales oldest time that's actually it's kind of interesting because there is a point there remember that like people can't just travel the multiverse freely like that's not possible only so it's no well according to Doctor Strange 1 that's the problem unless you know Spider-Man is Peter Parker so like what is the nature of like dreamwalking is a thing that would even exist if people can't travel the multiverse like what does it even mean to have that ability I guess it's almost like this is like the Darkhold lets you do all of these different things and also ability 4621-B is that it lets you do this but until now it's never been useful or applicable in any way in some way oh like wow guys guys did you read page 491 there's actually a power that the Darkhold gives you that is so specific it helps us in this particular plot yeah it'd be interesting for anthropology multiversal anthropology that's about it until this point I'd say that's fair to give him a point for that I don't know if I want to give him a point I'm not sure do we want to do you want to put like a little tick by the score screen and next time he gets a maybe a point we add him together and he gets a point that's a point 5 we're not doing those nice try rags yeah the point is because just because there isn't an apparent utility for something doesn't mean that it's not something that could be like possible well is the idea that it's insanely like convenient that this power is a useful one in this kind of a plot um I mean I feel like you could make that argument a lot of instances for something that's like got a hyperspecific utility until the situation arises that you would use it I don't I think it's not convenient necessarily because it's the book that got her on America's Trail in the first place right and like it's all and it's the book that you need to use to like even do dreamwalking anyway I think you could argue with this connection is the convenience the invention of this book for this plot that it just allows her to do these things I but how is it convenient it's inconvenient it's like the thrust for all of the drama of like the whole what it's I guess it's extremely convenient for Wanda I guess like I mean I that's that seems strange is like an observation it's a book that's evil and it makes you evil and it creates all of the conflict in the film well it's a right to like find a way to get a thing that she wants as was set up by the show but she only really wants it because she was reading it right like that's the thing that the like it's fucking with her brain making her evil so she I guess what are you saying that the dark hold is convenient like it's very existence is convenient I if you have Wanda I think you might want to say coincidental rather than convenient right I guess yeah I think so yeah really convenient for her because that is a fundamental thing about a lot of this that we've talked about before that people don't like as a criticism but it's true for example you know spider-man will happen to be in the same city as all these other people doing these insane things that generate them into villains like the dark hold itself is in the same universal the infinity stones and same universal that you know all the crazy magic fantasy shit that's all if we build up the idea that Wanda wants to be with her kids and she can't and then she finds the dark hold that gives her the ability to dreamwalk in the story where that was happening because she got it in Wanda vision that didn't happen like between movies that was like did well it whether she like even if she starts off like having it because she got it at the very end the power of the dark hold was it that she was able to the power of dreamwalk is something this movie added in and so you saying what a fucking coincidence that the dark hold that you do that when is that's exactly what she needs the dark hold just happens to have this insanely specific power that will allow her to get what she wanted from the other from the other show think that's fair to say because there's no reason to assume the dark hold would have the ability to dreamwalk in it that's a very it's so insanely specific to the multiversal stuff and it allows her to track a person that they invented for this movie who's a nova person that of which there's only a nexus individual of which there's only a single one so that she can use that specific power to find this very specific person with their specific power so that she can get the thing that she wants what I will say is one division does kind of it literally the post credits where you hear the sound of her children's voices I think there's an implication the dark hold is a direct connection to like multiversal stuff and so then it's okay to assume it might have an ability to you slash effect other multiverses in it or like resurrect them from the dead or to make them real or it's it this is weird fine with giving this a zero or a one because I do think there's this level of like you know that I roll how many things of convenience lineup for you that allow the coincidences to meld so that we can invent things to make this one particular power useful to have a plot that relies on it very specifically I'm not gonna I want I think I've you know said my piece I think I personally put it on deal yeah I I'm on a zero for this one I shouldn't do this but I really want to abstain I'm not sure I'm not decided I have to wait a little bit I don't know what we're talking about to be honest all right meme is up to you sorry for God's sake I don't know I'm lost I'm so lost damn it I'm gonna roll it again and then I'm just gonna decide from their universe let's just yeah they may puppeteer this unholy doppelganger and pursue their enemies right you know just in case their enemies can travel between multiverses tails all this time these let us also consider another element where this applies very specifically to a nexus individual because they can travel themselves between the multiverses and still be like themselves and they're the only one so if you were trying to use this power on literally anyone else in the cosmos you'd be attacking a different version of that person that wasn't your actual target so I think that adds another layer of like this is a power that would literally only be useful against America Chavez like I'm not going to even say America and someone else literally only America Chavez does this actually the Scarlet Witch is a nexus being too so she used it on herself I'm just joking so I think I was gonna say I think so I think it's like the card in your UV deck that specifically is supposed to counter one specific card in all of you imagine that but like extended to infinity how insane it is that you know you have the one spell that counters the one literal individual across the cosmos which is weird you think the Darkhold would have her actual name in it written because she's the only one someone said that's not the point you made technically he did I don't know if he meant to cause he says just in case their enemies can travel between multiverses the implication of the statement is there is only one person who can do that it's America Chavez that's according to the film she's literally the only one this is the entire America Chavez spell in the Darkhold that's one point yeah I'm going with one for the board Rex has won the there you go oh he's gonna travel between multiverses oh that's why it was time so these spirituals that only work are sitting in the middle of approximately 7000 candles it's a god damn miracle that Wanda survives more than 5 seconds without immediately catching fire so it is he hiking? I don't know is that a magic cape that ever meant for so the thing about the camp I thought he was going to go the direction of how does she set them up all the time just like magic and answer that but then like it's a miracle she's not getting set on fire it's like hmmm I don't know why that candle is that an essential part of the ritual I don't fucking know but that's whether if it's only for funnies then it wouldn't matter it's just a zero but I don't think there's any validity to that if you find it funny I'm good it may be a demon that you face it may be the scarlet witch the dreamwalking explanation is a little confusing because Mordo talks about the scarlet witch possessing demons in other universes that tracks since we've seen two demons attacking America in this movie but the movie's ultimate rule is that the dreamwalker can only possess the alternate versions of themselves so how is she possessing demons or even conjuring them why isn't there a spell where she can just go to another universe by herself what do you think they're not the same thing I'm pretty sure those are two different spells all together she would be able to or control or command a demon to go I'm pretty sure she can summon a demon in another universe or she can take control of herself in another universe but she cannot take control of anyone else in the universe or travel to it with the dark old I'm pretty sure that is consistent throughout the whole movie I think this is literally my pick for worst movie of all time and I'm trying to say I think they stick to that so yeah I think that's a zero yeah I guess she would have to take control of a demon in another dimension but as long as she can she can't take control of a demon she doesn't control the demon she summons them and gets them to do something that's not the same as yeah okay she summons a demon that does her bidding in a different dimension how does the demon get America back to her that was that's something that they never address that's a good question actually Scarlet Witch possessing demon something he hasn't brought up yet he could he could get that he could snatch that extra point but this was a zero that tracks since we've seen two demons attacking America but the movie's ultimate rule is that the Dreamwalker can only possess the alternate versions of themselves so how is she possessing demons or even conjuring them why isn't there a spell where she can just go to another universe by herself and just to address that last bit this is like it's more so for funnies I assume because it's just while there isn't and it's up to them what spells are in the dark hold I guess mm-hmm what an oven book of Ashanti it can give a sorcerer whatever power I fucking hate that book or they need to vanquish their enemy seriously if you're not shouldn't Mordo here be really like should he be kind of startled that it was even brought up the book of Ashanti if it's only something the sorcerer supreme knows about or maybe in this rule the rules are completely different on who gets knowledge of the book of Ashanti there could be countless reasons why this strange knows something vague about it you know I feel like there should be more of a recognition of you you mentioned that book like the idea that it's a very even in this universe it's a very special and secretive thing you know that probably would have helped if he was almost like startled by like how do you know about that I'm not even going to try to describe it in a way that doesn't seem immensely convenient let's call it mcguffin's big book of sorcerer mcguffin rebuy mm mcguffin and just own that it is it's pronounced McMuffin but okay um I think that's fair as you basically just saying how fucking convenient it's like yep yep this is the win button we need to go press it don't worry it's entirely dissimilar to the other win button at the center of the universe quote-unquote that grants any wish to anyone whatever fuck it is not maximum who threatens our reality it's the two of you except you literally just explained the very specific ways that Wanda could fuck up this reality true got a point absolutely yeah it's so fucking stupid morto's like oh yeah she's coming and she can do it this way cool anyway you guys we need to sort you out not her like what oh you're sitting here to catch up I think yeah wins is in trouble this is gonna be tough oh wins I'm not I'll say it so far sins is having a pretty good show this is probably the best video we've seen from sins ironically I think that's correct yeah I knew this would give him good fodder for his very interesting system and he hasn't well he's he's not so too disappointing so far yeah sins is doing all right and only the only thing it took was the literal worst movie ever made I mean I don't make fun of five year olds for not hitting the you know the ball off the tee I guess so yeah good blame Dr. Strange quite a bit for trusting this tee was there a need for tee couldn't you have just declined the tee you don't know who to trust didn't you learn anything from the Wanda encounter you ever aware of the situation correct Stephen Strange is one of the smartest fucking characters in the whole universe the fact that you just drink tee because why not is retarded in a different universe don't trust anything bro what if it's just what if it's not only it's poisoned or whatever it's just like oh maybe there's something in there that my universe can't you know do anything with yeah it's gonna shit yourself so furiously to just die or something tee in this universe is made out of like poison or something it's just natural go to other universes and just start eating everything you know people are saying that we should uh next time do one where we cover like a good movie you know like a really good movie to try and balance out and see what I was which I'm totally on board with I was even gonna suggest we could do uh who's I'm doing literally gonna say that yeah yeah that could be interesting because that would really give wins an easy edge compared I think so also have you it's it's it's I think what happened is that it was like in heavy rain where the button prompts were switched around on Doctor Strange and that's why he drank the tee reference only three people will get it but I had to get it out I'm gonna pretend like I got it yeah not nice job yeah high five yeah ironies sure it's out sorry that was a point there ever aware of the situation I already sure hmm that's just so funny yeah this is zero I think um yeah uh yeah I think so it's a little funny yeah it's creepy I'm not a very flattering photograph and creating an ocean and a coffee mug of anything to do with possessing an alternate version of yourself um I mean this is creepy this is fair to say but you can just just five percent you see weird shit when someone takes control of you that's all yeah like I I agree that it doesn't seem to be like an intuitive extension of the spell but I guess it's just that's how it works I guess yeah that's your hallucination creepy stuff happens Tommy or Billy says this instead of asking hey why the lights flickering why just smash those two balls and why I don't know that any that's actually happening I don't know yeah I mean the balls would have shattered right or is she holding if she dropped them they must have hit the floor at least or maybe she's still holding them no she's clearly not holding them right so yeah yeah the balls had to go somewhere I assume so I think that's exactly would this be correct point but incorrect workings or fair enough to say correct I think that yeah what yeah it's like well the something happened to the balls who either dropped them or they shattered or what they shattered from getting tossed onto the thing they'll probably break from the floor so that's what I'm saying yeah I'll give him a point yeah I think so I think that's fair enough the kids should have known something weird there yeah how did you just stare at the camera that you shouldn't know is there that part is that's nothing that's nothing I'm sorry buddy so wait a couple of minutes ago you were arguing about the 2003 tigers and calling each other doofuses with various Googleplex multipliers and in the short time it took Wanda to get possessed you've come up with this lame song about ice cream the kids they may have come up with this before it's come on dude whatever I was a child once I came up with many strange things in very short amount of time that's a zero zero what an amazing moment for the Scarlet Witch to get in some mom time almost immediately she's being she's in the house with her kids she will have a mom more than likely she's doing something with the kids at the time yeah yeah yes that's a zero you're at school it's night time they're at their home could that go further than zero or is it a zero I just go a zero I think zero I'm happy with just that one is that unfair this is what it was this criticism unfair well it's like if you thought about it for even a second surely would conclude that it's very likely she'll be doing something at this time with her kids it's gonna be a high likelihood of that they live in the same house when she's full-time mum as far as I know in this universe oh yeah I can see your point there get some ice cream I landed on zero just for any reference I miss to be good nice motional blackmail what do you got nothing for that it's a zero yeah that was a clear cut zero it's all a little pun alright this is a what's the copies wrong giving in here oh we skipped the dark hole being destroyed there's who have already died in the attempt to stop all of that isn't the whole point put their lives on the line to make sure she can't f**k up the multiverse nothing was like a different point which is why did you tell her yeah it's like it's part of the point there is that element of like they died to stop her from getting the dark hold and he's like lol there's a copy um like I guess like I I'll I'll have all of the I'm willing to sacrifice in essence everyone here at Camortage to stop you but these three guys behind me that's where I draw the line um I I think that's totally fair to say though because the thing is here I just I formatted the criticism much different than this like this is you know the idea that he's like could you allow hundreds of people to die to stop it from doing a thing but then could you deal with people getting tortured right in front of you those are very different experiences and they can make you go like I give up I can't I can't deal with the screams thing that's the thing it's not entirely like but yeah the fucked up part was that he gave her the clue he never should have given her any clues he should have just said like what do you mean there is no other that that was the dark hold woman you destroyed it what do you mean what do you mean there's another one there is no other one that's all you have to do yeah I still think this is worth a point um but I feel like this is also like yeah you made a point you could have like you could have had like five and this is not the best one that could have been made but I still think it's accurate it's just that to me his criticism is Wong is giving in here uh because people are getting tortured when he's already had hundreds of people dies like those are different experiences to have to deal with it's a human being but Wong should know yeah the criticism I think it should be that Wong gave the clue which is not quite what he's saying yeah what's the conclusion I'm inclined to go with zero I am inclined to go with zero yeah well zero is one I guess it's zero that's fine I didn't want to have to give that a zero because of course I hate this scene yeah as any rational person would I said f**k you to the dozens of sorcerers who have already died in the attempt to stop Wong because like saying it's a f**k you to all of them I could even agree with that but it's not criticism if he said it was out of character which seems to be the implication I think Wong would be susceptible to having sorcerers tortured in front of him to give information it's just information he didn't have to f**king give nobody knows it's true except him isn't the whole point to put their lines on the line and make sure she can't f**k up the multiverse our universe is 838 and we've designated yours 616 I have curiosity maybe he'll say in a second why would you call your universe anything other than one yeah that's a good question it's really weird isn't it the only manner in which they're discovering other universes they need to start labeling and surely theirs would just have to be one or even zero I guess but one seems like the so we've designated yours like so I guess they know of 600 or at least 800 yeah I don't know why you started that when we find another that'll be two it could be there is some form of signature to the universes that they have somehow ordered and it ended up providing these numbers in some f**king way it is like not impossible that it could end up that way I just it is weird I don't know I'm not gonna pretend I didn't have to go to the internet for this one but I don't write saying that the MCU takes place on Earth 616 it's such an odd choice that makes it the same universe that the most well established moral comics are set in instead of making it its own distinct universe which would have been the perfect way to maybe satisfy some fans who wonder why so many events play out differently compared to the comics they love you kind of a meta point but like I don't really have anything to do with this movie yeah for a meta point is it matter if the cause if they'd said this is 615 then they're acknowledging almost that 616 is the comic universe and that it could be traveled to in this universe well I guess the question is like how does this cause I'm pretty sure that across the spider verse explicitly references the MCU universe as like a different number correct yeah yeah well so you have to canonize I guess that like Regina George over here is an idiot she read it wrong or she's she's mislabeled it that's what you have to assume I will default to Miguel O'Hara I don't know like I like the thing but I don't know if it's point worthy in terms of it being more of a meta thing why didn't they do this comic book you know I think it might be more the meta because the fact that if we're accepting that all the universes coexist comics whatever else and then this movie says this is labeled this the same as the comics like oh you fucked that up that can't be true oh well I guess what if Kevin Feige says it's different continuity completely including the multi-verse fundamentally different continuity as he said any of that in the movie is that in the movie at all well yeah but like what if you've never heard of the comics at all like what how does that have any bearing on like your observations about like bear in mind I don't like this choice yeah but I could say what if you've never watched any of the other MCU movies like it's on you to watch that if they're a part of the universe to know that information yeah but like what what is the conclusion that we're drawing here that there was like some error in that this universe she's mislabeled them it can't be that way because they couldn't coexist because they have different continuities that would have to be the conclusion I mean spider versus basically made it so that that's true right uh what spider-verse says it's a different it's spider-verse says that it is part of yeah what I guess I'm arguing a spider-verse has said something that makes way more sense and is like yeah well this movie hasn't therefore like this but I guess it's teetering literary on meta to actual in content criticism yeah it's a very illogical choice of grand scheme wise because he framed it as though it's a it's a fan related thing that would have been nice as opposed to like a any kind of contradiction in universe so maybe that would make it a zero because he hasn't even contextualized it better than that maybe well we think chat how's everyone feeling on this one zero one I would guess a lot of people are gonna go with one on this one they would for how they feel about it I'm just curious if we get any zeros yeah that's the thing like I feel a one but I don't think it lines up with actually getting a point by the criteria but it's something like I'm glad it's in the you know it's in his video it's an interesting thing to you talk too long and I don't care hahahaha hahahaha ah cinemas and spans are in the chat now uh ones and zeros oh hello hi at that point we're grading your boy yeah don't worry we got we got we're gonna get pissed off even more people with the wins one I'm pretty sure he's liked more than sin so ah it's okay let's do you wait but since it's so split in chat let's just do the vote left to right friggin what have you got ah I think I'm going with a zero I'm gonna go with a zero myself well I'm next I feel a zero as well my heart says one but my brain says zero I was basically gonna say that so what rag said all right zero it is zero it is but good for me I good on you for putting in the video oh yeah it was yeah yeah just a quick reminder just because it doesn't count as a point doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the video it's just a whether or not it's a sin against the movies a movie is failed or not it's the question and if he's saying it would have been nice for fans if you had said there were a difficulty in the comics that's not really that's not really a sin on the movies part as as we understand it's criticisms to work it's like if we get to the ah wait get to the Illuminati what? sorry I was no no no I was like I wasn't looking at the screen when I said that I was just thinking I don't know I had a lot of thoughts the point being like when we get to the Illuminati part and he says like why the fuck did you choose to do this ding like I was like yeah I get it like isn't it insane that this is what they did but I guess it's not actually yeah we need more which is funny right because I do what the fuck all the time in my videos but if we're great in anybody including ourselves if we simply said that's overtly stupid and then we moved on it's like well yeah that wouldn't be a point you guys are going to this cold as fuck place and you don't want to bring warmer clothing no I get it your costumes are rad and all but they can't be providing that yeah you're freezing extreme weather correct I agree you yeah that is a point correct he even acknowledged the people who are going to be like who is cool costume though right then you could freeze in your costume yeah my magic can only take us so far masters of the mystic arts weren't meant to just pausing for safety but fuck this stupid shit too I wonder what he'll say no but they sure as fuck take you right to their doorstep so what's the fucking difference I think that's fair well there is I think that's fair point I'm thinking what's the this is almost like let's say that you have a dark you have a dark magical castle and it exudes this force that prevents magic at one point that effect is going to it only prevents sling ring attack that's it yeah sling rings the only prevents magic is fine everything else so you could just do the thing that are motto what's yeah that's his name right Scarlet Witch flies up there with them using her magic yeah but that's witchcraft not sorcery well he uses sorcery later don't worry about it yeah he is a sorcery later um I'm just looking at his point but they sure as fuck take you right to the doorstep so it's Dr. Strange flies up there using sorcery yeah that's the thing like I'm trying to figure out how the point he's making works with what's I'm assuming the movie I thought where you're gonna go would be that if they made this this barrier how far would it go what would be the reason we would expect it to go that's kind of what I was thinking like if his point is well it allows portals an inch past its influence it's like yeah but that's not a point against it right it has to the effect has to end somewhere and at that point you can use portals that doesn't mean it this is why it's useless there is a viability to the argument because like if you said it covered the whole planet it'd be like well okay I guess but it's like that's fucking useful yeah I was gonna say it's not gonna do that so like covers the whole mountain it's like oh okay that yeah I can understand it's like covers most of the top of the mountain like it's sure real about the of this place and you having to like travel through mundane means to get to the top of the mountain that's actually quite an obstacle but well having the source this is this is the problem I think that you should be like this is dumb as fuck it only blocks out sling ring that's it that's stupid but because you can use so many other ways to get up there that involve either sorcery or witchcraft or magic whatever whatever but cinema scenes are specifically saying why the fuck did it block only up to here which you know I think it's funny I'm not sure it's entirely stupid like you'd want this rather than not having it you know yeah like I get this point and I think there's a validity to it but I want to know what he's like where do his dots connect exactly on what exactly he's trying to say I think he would say it should be the whole mountain not just the fucking top of it um I I'd have to see like how far away it is but even then the problem is like what if the fucking demon that did this said like I can't I can't do that I can only do this much I did the most I could the limits of what its power is is that it you can't like it's not like they choose to like oh okay we have a 500 meter one kilometer two kilometer barrier line it might just be this is just what it is it's not like a choice for how far it goes this is just an effect of the of wonder gore um so I don't I don't I still don't know what to think about what do you think about all that for me how you feeling um I mean I I understand all of that but I guess I still default back to yeah it seems like really stupid that it only blocks you to the point that you're like basically right there but not right right there that just seems dumb would you up to have that on there rather than not though um I mean I guess so but it seems like a distinction without a difference really like I guess I would but like it means fuck all because it really worked as if like this is as close as you can portal to it and now I did where he made a staircase like he'd make a little magic steps just walk over there so like what's the difference like if you're trying to block magic uses you've done that actually yeah um you're one of them I guess the big thing in my head is I completely agree with all those arguments I just I don't know if the it's fair to say this is the nature of the spell this is how far I can make the barrier I'm putting it on because I may as well put it on why would I not put it on it's better than not putting it on that's the only thing I could defend the great demon that did this whenever okay demon so thanks I think I'm more inclined to say it's valid on sins pot I think I'm giving it a one yeah I think it's the one man I'm I'm involved with the one the ones have it don't even need to ask the other two I get a wreck get tricked planes about not being able to portal straight to the place but then simply flies there so there's no reason for her to be upset about this and absolutely no reason to preempt our probable sin about it it's like a nitpick on her part though you're like we can't just go straight up there it's like no it doesn't let us like fine I guess we'll just you know what I mean mm-hmm like it would be kind of annoying but like it's nothing it's what I'm trying to say is that she is in universe being a bit of a bitch right so yeah exactly out of character or anything it's just I could see someone saying it yeah I just want to if once you show up the portal opens and you look at the spooky castle and it's all the way over there in the next mountain peak you would ask like why haven't we why did you go here and not up there like I think that's pretty reasonable for her to ask yeah I think it's fair that she says it are you up to something what's going on here how come we're not there this isn't the portal also we need the portal before we walk through but yeah at all some ancient demon around to the point of not allowing sorcerers to teleport up here still allow them to use spells like whatever their shield is I'm beginning to think either wrong or the movie is just making this up as they go correct I mean the best steelman fucking defense you could possibly come up with this yeah well that's all he could do the great demon he said like oh you can't use the sling ring but I can't stop them from using anything else it's just like that sounds stupid I don't see how that works at all wouldn't it just be a blanket sorcery why is it only sling rings why don't they use the runes from one division just like a general diminishment of sorceries like we can't use portals we can use some spells but they're weaker like there's like a the closer we get the less effective our magic gets so like we can use a little bit but you know we can't use the big stuff no summoning cat heads or you know things like that juju carl oh god remember all this the fly is that necessary you got the point for that yeah that was really fucking stupid the the best events you have is that she's trying to intimidate him she hates him but there's nothing there it makes no sense for her to hate him so I can't I what I guess I'm trying to say is introduce argument argument has no fucking validity so never mind one point one doctor black agar baltagon captain marvel read richards hey she has a face I don't like it the fantastical professor Charles so it's the terrific three now or the we will all have a dead on the team right what is that team oh terrific the just the just gosh god great three the the triumph and the cheers in the theater but I honestly think the scene will come to be seen as the worst Christmas ever imagine you get every single present on your list even the limited edition ones the ones that no one else liked or the ones that were murdered by Fonka Johnson and resurrected by Brian Singer all of them you get to play with them for a while but the next day your parents hide all the presents in the basement don't tell you when you're next able to play with them then instead of hiding all the presents in the basement the parents burn them all in front of their sobbing kids okay I I did the spirit of the point is they presented a whole bunch of shit fads wanted to then they killed them all yeah um that's more matter I'm afraid but it's funny it is a bit more matter I like the point I sympathize with it immensely I didn't want to see another cunt uh captain Margo I didn't want to see uh the her is um Captain America the other ones were neat it was neat to see um you know Patrick Stewart it was like give it a point I think it's funny it is good and I like this video but I don't think it's not anything it's just these characters here that they got killed that's not that is an accurate observation and I share in how stupid this was as a decision but um it it doesn't get a point right now I'm so sorry we didn't give it 616 we can't give it this is kind of what we're going for here kind of in the same van yeah hit a guy hit it there fantastic the strangest choice the MCU ever made was to bury that post endgame movie which explained how the spirit of Tony Stark transferred itself into Doctor Strange's body really would help to explain why he's suddenly full of one-liners and quippy insults didn't he have those wasn't he a little bit like that already I could have sworn he was relatively witty in his movie well they were having back and forth in infinity war weren't they they were um I I mean it wasn't just fucking retarded but the the general sense of it was there I think I think this is like part of his character I don't know that I would argue that he never gave quippy one-lines or insults I'm pretty sure he was quite insulting I think the point here is that the quips are shit yeah that would be a good point yeah they're out of character they're just shit they're terrible they're zero yeah it's like it's not yeah doing a bad bit you're like well I mean this isn't like wrong it's just shit alrighty Captain Marvel Defender of the cosmos I think it may 007 but it's possible that in a multiverse that Lashana Lynch is just playing multiple alternate versions of characters who will only have that title briefly before it's taken away oh that's just a reference to how she she's played 007 for like 5 seconds and now she's played Captain Marvel for 5 seconds so yeah zero but funny yeah hold hold up I need to video just died alternate versions of characters I accidentally hit the back button on my mouth okay it kept the watch together but it went back to the llama video the llama video we'll review it one day guys don't worry but um yeah we're good yeah we're good here we go let's take it away I'm sure Black Bolt's need for silence is a big part of his character but shouldn't it be Reed Richards who desires this to be a quiet place haha zero point nah incursion occurs when the boundary between two universes of roads destroying one or both entirely information you literally can't have like how could you know that has your universe been destroyed yeah you can say one universe maybe the one you visited but how would you know both there's no way yeah you'd have to have like universe detecting magic or technology in order to know that the conjunction of the spheres happened or whatever in the like oh yeah our reality in there is just bumping up against each other not in like a physical way but sort of not really the kind of if you don't think about it yeah theoretically both that would be something it's totally worth it zero yeah so the Illuminati was created to prevent threats to the multiverse but how the hell are they achieving that if there are only six of them five of whom are largely based on earth going behind this movie seems to be comprehending how big one universe is that's an MCU problem through and through yeah wait so sorry I kind of missed the what is he saying like he's saying like how will you even equip to deal with multiversal threats like if there's only five of you it's not because I remember this we've definitely discussed this it's the the nature of it is that if people arrive and claim they're from a different universe they put them in the little cube which is so stupid for so many reasons they're like we can't let you out of that cube you might have infections it's like you've already walked them through the facility and put them in the what are you and what are you gonna do with like the Hulk with Thanos he comes through his team is pretty big so this I think this is a point then yes I know the comics well yeah because because they have the opportunity to do more right it's one of those if they weren't able if you didn't have like Captain Marvel and the magic spells to do everything like that you know you're trying it's good that you tried you know it's better than not trying but you should the problem here is that there's not just five of them it's the whole facility it's like sure but I think that would be counted by what we are shown of how they deal with other universal threats is hilarious and stupid like it even though there's a shit like if they'd left it completely to our imagination it probably wouldn't be a point but the fact that we saw it like he would it's like he's made the point there exists a counter but there exists a very good counter to that counter therefore the point still stands I think that's worth a point that's how that works for us on the word infinite there should be a nearly countless number of strangers wanders and hey maybe some non-humans that's actually also valid that if strange isn't a nexus being why aren't there fucking thousands of strangers here with this this strange this strange should be peeling off loads of strangers you know yep and all of those strangers should be invested in America who is a nexus being apparently and so all of them would come to her the strangers would be interested in other strangers which by the way was a suggested ending I think that we made on our coverage we said that could be a cool finale like millions of different strangers from multiverses coming in to fight wander all together that could have been fun yep that could have been fun why the fuck is every futuristic high court set up this way oh wait so that's a point right I think so yes yeah expecting the multi-phase judge from transformers the movie to render a verdict in this scene reference really yeah yeah it's the best thing does some scarlet witch shit trying to turn this long into a white dude can you not wait so hang on was that a separate ding it was a joke a long into a white yeah I was just trying to check if that was a ding it was a ding you get no points like an undead yeah it's a clever little thing but it's not a dude can you not portal I don't remember wanting to take your sling ring after you portal to this place but they established that you can't portal up there that's an error so best faith analysis is that you literally can't portal you can use all your other sorcery so if we go with that then you can't portal I guess that seems to be what the movie is displaying yeah he can use it full demons awoke to worship wander when she arrived and I know you said some bullshit I think we didn't we highlight a meme eventually he is shown to have it but it goes it just goes off his hand at some point it's very inconsistent about when the sling ring is on his finger when it isn't I think I feel like we're missing the point he can't portal I'm talking about a different one now okay it's either some kind of continuity error or you're supposed to believe that Wanda poofed it like she did with Doctor Strange randomly at some point that's probably the best thing you can do with that correctly to wonder gore because of some rule that doesn't mean you can't actually use magic right or portal away from this place or else you wouldn't be able to do the other magic sh** you've been doing well no it's stupid but you have to assume that yeah there's rules for the sling ring and there's not rules for the don't apply to the other sorcery it's retarded that's a negative actually so let him finish the sentence get used to it that wouldn't be surprised if in this universe the earth orbits the moon that was a big f**king moon that was a big moon the moon does look bigger in photography a lot of the time so I don't know what do we do with that though is it fair to say that moon's bigger than it should look is that fair um it could be an optical illusion I don't know and it's another universe so I don't think I even want to entertain that as potentially being at that point the moon looks big yeah very well I guess in the universe it's totally possible I guess that the moon is a lot closer I don't even want to go that far the moon looks big like yeah the moon does look big 0 points but does it ever look that big for me is it worth I'm happy to leave it it's fine 0 right you know just in case you forgot that I said that just before the movie cut away to the Wanda Wong show yeah you got a point I think that's fair yeah Charles is not someone who's gonna be f**king wasting time with what he says usually I'll set a fight for him and repeat himself even as always chose to go it alone he turned to the dark hold well not as always he created the Illuminati shut up okay in hopes that our salvation might lie in the multiverse guess what Jesus does everyone get a chance to tell a piece of this story there's over a zoom brought strange in here telling the story of our strange but let's make sure everyone gets a line you know to be fair also let's rewind this a bit okay so that's a point it's really f**king weird to tell a story that way f**king everyone seems to hit the cues just like the idea that Charles starts it up he's about to continue that someone else starts up and he looks over them like excuse me like what the f**k I'm telling the story yeah it's like you don't think about it you know how this has never once happened in ever in the real world this just doesn't happen the way that people do this with stories in hopes that you might get away with it with two people three bouncing back and forth however many get involved imagine someone start a conversation like this and he just stops and looks at the other guy saying come on guys continue the story why don't you want to put guys like I wasn't there what are you talking about tell the story you one of them is not really paying attention he's playing like a game with the fourth part of the story he's playing Tetris he's in the middle of Tetris he tells the first story looks over this all goes yeah yeah I agree yeah he is a telepath he could be directing puppeteer in the mall yeah he goes into Captain Marvel's mind and go like a little director he's wearing the hat wait maybe he didn't find the answer but the solution absolutely exists in the multiverse you can argue that she used that phrasing to mean he didn't find it not that it doesn't exist at all but I can understand it's clunky as fuck because it sounds like she's saying it doesn't exist in the multiverse but it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it sounds like she's saying it doesn't exist in the multiverse when it totally does check all unlimited possibilities I would be curious if the fucking stupid book of Vishanti or the what's it called Eternity I wonder if those things can counter incursions I wonder if you can make a wish that means no more incursions happen I wish there are no more incursions would that work? I don't see why it wouldn't work I don't see why it would it seems to fuck with everything on a fundamental level nothing more powerful than a wish depending on what the rules are for your magic system so so is that a point well we'll let him finish oh wait he did finish I don't know I I'm kind of are we being to Captain Marvel? pretty much yeah it's just dependent on whether or not you think Captain Marvel is just using words to mean something that shouldn't quite mean it to mean it doesn't work so I don't know I will say but considering the context she hates the Doctor Strange and she's saying it as partly an insult to him like of course it fucking did an idiot and you destroyed a universe but they did find the book of Vishanti to kill Thanos Vishanti and that doesn't apply to like multiverse I'm pretty sure he found that in their own universe right oh wait no because it's outside of all universes so I guess he must have traveled outside of the universe oh good god so she's just fucking definitively wrong he was yeah I think he's wrong film thinks they're wrong right like you would say oh god do we think does the film think I mean the film seems to think there are souls right well yes but because I think I don't even know this is in my video but the fact that she's just said it was the answer to solving this problem isn't in the multiverse like it actually has to be because the book of Vishanti is outside of your universe so you're just totally wrong she's just totally wrong you know what I think we'll give it to him yeah I'll give it to him actually because this strange found that bullshit what is going on also back in infinity war when Doctor Strange was running all those calculations did crossing multiverses not pop up as one of the possible options was that not half the universe wow remember it's crazy bullshit because there was one universe at that time according to I think it's fair this should have been entertained long ago especially because I'm afraid Doctor Strange introduced the idea of multiverses and so now if you're calling this multiverses then he knew about it you can't say he didn't know about it is Doctor Strange one yeah you gotta do better you want to explain better that's the point I'll give you a point for that you never told us the details of what had happened only that you had inadvertently triggered an incursion oh we all know the 838 strange caused an incursion when he tried to help Peter Parker forget he got a B in gym class but that's why he didn't tell his buddies what happened Steve was that an incursion that's a joke but the best you could say is it's a criticism of no way home which isn't a criticism of this yeah right so obvious you're right pretty much even renounced the dark holds evil and helped us find the book of Vishanti yeah which universe was that in hmm idiot what we did use that's actually a really really great question now how did you find the book of Vishanti if he wasn't looking in the multiverse he fell there's not in their universe so how does whatever the portal thing to get to the thing this is a key did he make that portal or was the portal already there did he stumble across it who knows whatever means fucking five hour video and we're still finding criticisms fuck me so two people have said it would be criticism of this because they're not acknowledging the past of that having happened in no way home no they're not not acknowledging anything they're not that's not anything for them to consider that he did a spell for Peter that's not anything in fact these guys don't even know that oh fucking keep up god feet strange search the multiverse for an answer in fact they would know it though if Charles was to fucking read his mind which he never does solve all your problems exploring the idea of using an artifact from his own universe that he definitely knew about also wait what strange search the multiverse for an answer before exploring the idea of using an artifact from his own universe he definitely fucking knew about wasn't from his own universe though yeah this is this is a fucking criticism because of the information he's interpreted from the film which is inaccurate on the film's part you know what I mean the film has described to him how something works and he's criticized it based on that but the film's not telling you the truth fully because Vishanti's not from their universe would do you think it might be possible that doctor strange thought that the hub world was just a part of his universe at that point well I mean it seems that they understand exactly what the gap junction is it's between all universes so I'm assuming he knows that but would he then say that's not the multiverse that's just a universe plus something that's not yeah like an extra yeah like a waiting room to the other universes but hmm universal waiting room this is this is weird I'm just gonna say it this is weird strange search the multiverse for an answer before exploring the idea of using an artifact from his own universe whether the implication is that he discovered Vishanti after the multiversal shit though it's not like he knew about it and chose not to use it he would obviously have chosen to use it if he knew about it before the multiversal stuff because that's an automatic win book yeah but it's only fair to assume he discovered the information regarding Vishanti after he stopped visiting the multiverse that'd be a zero I think so the so that means all the Thanos stuff is after he realized that there was a multiverse yes yeah yep so he Dr. Strange is being Dr. Strange but he assembled the Illuminati to fight multiversal threats so the Illuminati they were just working together to beat Thanos he's on a multiversal threat here's what I'm saying he assembled the Illuminati in order to fight multiversal threats Thanos isn't a multiversal threat but they fought him anyway do you know what I mean they're here you use them but he used the book of did he use the book of Vishanti to beat Thanos somehow that caused a fight that they had to like instead of just automatically winning I don't really know how that works either so he used the book of Vishanti at that point realizing there was a multiverse so like he discovered on the way to fight Thanos that there is a multiversal threat no so the way it goes is Dr. Strange oh wait you're saying so Thanos arrives doing Thanos things and he starts looking in the multiverse for a way to stop him correct that's why he went to the multiverse in the first place with the Darkhold and then he comes to these guys and says I destroyed a universe I can't do multiversal traveling anymore I have to find something else he finds the book of Vishanti they use that to beat Thanos I think that's they're like he got to die yeah which is all of it is fucked but yes I don't know this movie oh man using an artifact from his own universe that he definitely knew about yeah I think by the films logic that's not the case yeah zero why didn't our strange think of using the book of Vishanti okay maybe it was one of the 14 million scenarios that didn't work out he doesn't know about it is what they say and he certainly doesn't know how to get to it when he finds out about it and I guess he's saying how did he find out about it from the looking into the 14 million it's like well you have to assume he looked into 14 million that didn't know about it either 14 but there would have been so he would have had to essentially get the coin flip correct 14 million times to where he didn't get universes that knew about it or had it you could say incorrect as in like he got the bad result if only he had found a universe where the book of Vishanti was a thing so he could be like oh shit how do we get that that sounds like it would solve all of our problems and it's like yeah you have to get it by doing this this this and then you could get it but yeah apparently he finds out about the book of Vishanti in this film so he didn't know about it from looking in other universes which means he looked in a bunch of universes that didn't know about it or have it some people would argue that makes sense because the 14 would have theoretically checked would have been theoretically branches off of his one which and his one doesn't know about it though Wong knows about it Wong does because the Sorcerer Supreme gets to know about it oh fuck like yeah he's aware of the universes I was about to say well okay maybe Wong found out about it somewhere he's like no Wong found out about it because he's Sorcerer Supreme that's what they say and also he gets in his little secret book or whatever strange should have known about it it's so fucking hard to keep all this straight it's not a nightmare he would have found out I don't know in any way because he was I think it's fair to say he should have known them because Wong knows and Wong should have just you know wasn't the fucked thing they say earlier that strange just didn't know about the secret book with all the secret things in it yeah that's another that's a problem isn't that what they said in the movie and it's just absolutely ridiculous yeah because they know especially when they say the Sorcerer Supreme knows about it I remember fucking talking about this now because it's like it's in a book you can read about it and it's like oh yes Stephen Strange wasn't known for reading basically every last written word about magic that's not a literal meme from the first fucking film but oh well no that you read books that were forbidden yep so you tell me that he wouldn't read a book meant for the Sorcerer Supreme cool I think he got our answer he should have known absolutely yeah he didn't look into other universes he looked into time to see other outcomes that's it's almost a distinction without a difference if they're going to be separated into other universes and would have different results but the fact is Wong would be in all of them by that logic and he knows about it in all of them because he's Sorcerer Supreme which means strange should know which means all of the extensions including the core of his own timeline should have access to the information that's kind of the problem Dr. Strange should know that's the conclusion what if he's really stupid though because it didn't work out but an artifact it gives you exactly what you need to defeat your enemy seems like the perfect place to start unless of course it didn't exist until this movie movie are we giving him a point for that I think it's getting real complicated yeah I think he sort of identified the nugget of sort of an issue here strange should know about it which is why I'm happy to give him a point yeah and I'm not gonna like are we gonna be super tough on people not understanding the mechanics of this this is where it gets tough yeah because there's so much to remember and consider about everything everyone's done and all the rules that Michael Waldron said count yeah if he sort of grasps that there's like an issue here and he can't quite articulate it I don't blame him at all so I'll give him I'll give him a point for recognizing it something's up all right statistically shows us a multi version of Avengers the age of Ultron why does that's nothing that's a nothing burger with nothing cheese also she should be dead I think but Wanda even entertain the idea of stopping her rampage here America is one room away do we think she has this kind of patience at this point in the game well she doesn't stop she goes through them she does the thing is up to this point she's been killing loads of robots so you can argue that this is still a step further that she wasn't necessarily hoping to take she was she was gonna give him a chance and also these guys play the pretty big she vaporized the sorcerer this is by the way this is part of the argument for why the dark hold doesn't fully corrupt a person it just doesn't she should blast through them if it does yes so if you go with that you know it's a problem either way but I think we're supposed to believe that yes she doesn't really want to kill these people but she will she has to so we would that be a zero then yeah she does it also it's probably good idea for her to size up this opposition because they're clearly not like the rest and they're they got special outfits and everything so yeah I could do this all day go fuck yourself oh man I wish I could give you all of the points I wish you could say why doesn't make sense for me to say that line because it's not her line yeah there's an argument you can make for that that's it's a Steve Rogers line that came from a very specific Steve Rogers an alternate universe Steve Rogers might not at all say that line there's no reason why she would have developed that line it's silly and it's just you guys trying to do fucking jangly keys but good on you for noticing that it's good to get on you for the sigh in the dings yeah I like it then one of the handcuffs come loose oh they were created using the sands of the saunty or some shit but good hard whack losing some up no time I think that's a good point they're not really good pretty inconsistent these handcuffs there but boy they sure do let him do the thing he wanted to do clear it it's gonna be so interesting if like there's ever a time where there's something that's been labeled as sin and we've agreed comes up just verbatim the same thing and wins but as a point in favor of the film like he describes it the same way this is good it's like way I could see it the choice to create a movie where magic and sorcery exist but then literally handcuffing the two most powerful sorcerers alive so they have to resort to a fist fight instead of all the awesome magic I'm gonna disagree with you on that one there's viability there to make that really cool the idea that they're both so used to sorcery and they're both forced to use hand to hand I think there's a lot of potential with something like that would be cool if they had like no hand to hand or training which is really sloppy fight that's a direction you could go it's also cool to see that they both do have expertise that would be a fun comedic point if they try to use magic or something stops them or prevents them and they have to just sort of get into this awkward barbarian sort of wrestling match and they're clearly like they don't know what the fuck they're doing cause they don't know how to wrestle why would they know how to wrestle that could be actually kind of fun cause I couldn't remember without rewatching the first Doctor Strange if he gets like fighting training but he does they both presumably have extensive the only thing that you could say is well doesn't that work better as a comparison we don't get to see the magic fight at all it's like yeah that's true but I still think it's not automatically a fail to have two great sorcerers have to fight without their magic no yeah kind of a relevant example there's a Green Lantern comic called Sinestro Core War and the way that one is resolved is they actually how depowers Sinestro's ring cause his ring's already gone so he grabs something to depower his ring and it's just this gritty slug match on the top of a building and that's how they defeat him at the end of that and it's a really satisfying sequence cause one has military training the other guy not as much to see what happens when these two get into a physical brawl after doing so much crazy like Lantern-y shit so it's a cool concept Christine knows exactly how strong these cages are and she's seriously trying to smash them with a f***ing fire extinguisher so true what a moron she built them with other people she's trying to use a f***ing yes yes yes one point your mind is being held hostage by your alternate self all is that what this white void is with the blown out building and rebar everywhere I know we're creating physical objects to represent abstract concepts I just thought it would look cooler and a witch's brain I'm actually going to defend the film I like it I think that she's trapped in what Wanda would consider her worst nightmare of her whole life which was under the rubble of her house as it got blown up you could argue it's like why is the background all white it's like it's a minimalistic choice I guess I don't know the you know I wouldn't consider that a bad thing so yeah I'm going to give zero focus on this thing it's outside of where she's sort of trapped in a way in a way it doesn't matter it's not what she's thinking about or focused on oh no Professor Axe is dead yet again where's Olivia Williams when you need her she's a reference to X3 right could have had a point here strange pun intended how he loses so easily in his area of expertise you'd think he would have brought that in because it's literally just I'm going to sneak up on you and your neck is broken goodbye that's blame like not even the struggle fight or whatever and nothing just over just like that yeah this is the fourth time he's died too on screen and this is easily the lamest one does everybody down this tunnel Christine closes a bunch of hatches why are there so many hatches in this tunnel anyway I get the immediate sense that if a movie wanted to want to be controversial and this right now but doesn't for a second there I thought he was going to fuck it up but his sin was that she could have beaten them and she hasn't yet which is true why are there so many blast doors in this tunnel like there could be countless reasons for that but that's still a valid point he closed the last hatch and just stand there for some reason even though they just saw the last every door on the way here point you gotta really bring your A game yeah I have a feeling just bought us some time all you've done is buy the time back that you wasted staring at the door a minute ago he's right why the fuck did you do that that should have killed her she wrapped herself in telekinesis shield rags are you stupid how did you know that very true specific to you that has been raised and lived in a different universe you know what as tempting as it is to make this video a two-parter I'm just going to add a hundred since here for all the ways I'm limited by what hey that's you know oh I disagree rags I think that's good I'm impressed almost if he has to he's saying there's a million ways this film breaks by not understanding how multiverse or infinite work and that he's not going to list them because I would take way too long I thought you were saying no you say something else I 100% agree with him yeah something I'm wondering is so you only get one point for that right 100 points he's alluding to like 100 arguments he could make and you would get a point for each of them but he's not making them maybe this is another two at least I would be happy to give him two yeah and then identify the broader part of the film he's highlighted in a very real issue it would take a very long time longer than this video currently is to explain all the ways that they fuck that up in his narration he could have been doing this all along the way this do the whole video and it would have been so I'm happy to give him two points yes this film shit fuck this movie kills me is how strange said he bought them some time and they waste every second of it admiring the gap junction instead of grabbing another point yeah correct do your shit my goodness and video games man if something's chasing you you don't fuck around you you run and you grab the thing to the point where when you're in a cut scene when your character is limited to walking you're like god damn it I sent Dr. Strange and Christine to another universe when you could just kill them yes I guess they are only a potential issue even if she puts them in a dying universe that is still better for them than killing them exactly I think it's valid they're the only ones that can stop you now they're the only ones that know to stop you yeah she can kill them she can definitely kill them with their powers no problemo oh crap look Wanda seems to be able to pick whatever universe she wants so count yourself lucky that you aren't floating in space living as paint or part of the DCEU except the DCEU no that's true especially the DCEU part well it sucks to be part of either but you know he's on a really good streak can he keep it up don't do a reference in the 90s don't do a reference wait the character damn it fuck it now yeah that's a zero wait does a zero end to the streak or is it just on pause no that ends the streak if he makes a joke is that in the streak or is it until he does something wrong no I think it ends the streak the streaks are meaningful because there are so many good points in a row instead of a joke or reference here's a question if you're playing one of them sports ball games and you get a bunch of goals and then you miss that ends the streak right surely no I don't think that's I don't think that's fair because he hasn't missed he's just he's missed in terms of our rules though he's just saying like a joke and we're not counting that as either way so how about we let's frame it differently then you're playing the sports ball game you miss but somebody on your team catches it and it goes back to you versus you miss and it goes out I don't think that's that he's just making a joke he's not trying to criticize the movie he's just making a joke and that's actually this one that's actually separate from him making substance the last time we significantly highlighted a break of streak it was from a negative one rather than a zero so a joke is a joke's not well a joke's not going to give him points either way whether it's a good joke or a bad joke well I did say just don't make a reference or a joke and you can keep the streak going that's what I said and then so I assumed a streak would be broken by a joke or a reference well personally what happens if it's a neutral observation then like one where we just go like zero if it's a neutral observation I feel like that still holds the streak maybe it does it doesn't add to the streak but it doesn't take away from it I'm inclined to agree with someone in chat saying that even if we were to decide that this doesn't break the streak it would feel like it's broken the streak of win point win point win point joke we were hoping for a win point again that's what the nature of the streak was as far as I was aware it's not like there's any bonus points about having a streak anyway rags actually suggested that as a possibility of a point maybe you're better you know when you're playing like devil may cry and you know you're getting like your combos and shit and you're getting your scores up if you just stand there and do nothing it goes down and then you lose I don't think rags is going to accept that well that's because the streaks in that game are literally relevant on seconds passing well the reality is we're making the rules up as we fucking go that's what it says reality is that I feel if he is making let's put it to a vote is the streak broken yes or no left to right I think the streak is broken I think the streak is broken yes the broken streak is broken I'm afraid it's four to one that's fine but I feel as if you're making points and then you decide to tell a joke that you can still go and then it's on pause I feel like it is in the spirit of a streak a little bit of a victory but still I actually don't even know that you fully buy into it rags because if you made another reference and then another joke and then a valid thing and then another joke and then another valid thing I don't think you'd be at the point being like yes he's still got the streak I feel like he'd be over it depends if the joke was like neutral in terms of it being correct then it's on pause right the streak goes because he's not doing anything how long is the streak unfolds until it ends you know if the streak is not about time passing then I would essentially say that as long as you keep saying as long as you don't say anything wrong or make any incorrect observations or you know or fuck it up you're good I'll allow you to tell jokes in the meanwhile you don't get credit for the jokes regardless of how funny but you also doesn't end the streak if it's not a good joke but if the joke is reliant on something that's incorrect that will break the streak sorry I just see a doctor strange it's actually friggy holding some goo yeah the joke neither adds to nor takes away it's totally the joke is neutral that's cool but like well that's it it got going that's okay if you guys want to do that that's okay that's fine you hate democracy what's going on I do hate democracy oh my god you're not like Palpatine holy shit I mean this Christ I guess the day after tomorrow she forgot to take the morning after pill and it had a conception with inception wow streak parking yeah the streak is dead there are some who you know would you know agree with that yeah we got a sister Donna you had a sister you for all you know this fucking guy lived on a farm and was raised by an alpaca right you got a point yeah all right the streak has begun anew but he needs he needs one more this is a straight sandwich it's worth a sit on oh damn what do we do with that because it's a goofy ass scene that makes so fucking sad but you can have fun with it so what do you do what do we do with that he just called it great there's a great scene he lived on a farm and was raised by an alpaca this scene is great it's a lot like the scene with the harpus and kung fu hustle but this is some great Sam Raimi madness here it's worth a sit on all right is it the whole scene now is it the Sam Raimi-ness of it the craziness of it because it seems pretty would it be a zero at that point I'm checking so I'm thinking zero I'm thinking zero I think this is subjective damn chat really wanted that negative one I think I understand I don't think I'd give it a negative yeah I wouldn't give it a negative I think this is just based on Sam Raimi he's not said it means anything in any particular direction what the fuck why does this one harp note break this entire ball of magic conflict some I think I agree at some point there's just this level of unintuitiveness to what I'm watching but wouldn't it just be isn't that just like an extension of the core point which is none of this makes sense I think that there is a level of well we see that the like the notes do things and they come from the paper so there's some level of like like connection between the dots and so when you see this massive ball of stuff between them and one little note is added to it there's no way to connect some elements of why that would break it all up I just I don't know why there's even a connecting dot the idea that he pulls a bunch of notes out of a book and the other one would he even pull out stuff from he like turns it around and fires it back I don't know how how do I know anything I think that I would give him a point for this because I think there is a there is a point where there's like this I guess a more substantive or more intuitive break within the logic of the fight we don't have much to work with and it seems to be kind of nonsensical but within that framework there are some lines of like oh this will probably happen if you do this and this will probably happen if you do that and the notes seem to be having this effect and they're pulled from this place and they can cause this kind of damage and there's this big jumble of stuff and I think it's fair for him to go this just seems to not make isn't it equally fair to say ah that last note tip the balance any one uh there's my whole point we have nothing to work with how can we go either direction and that's not what he said he just said how does it make sense that this one is the what makes the fight win how does any of it make sense what exactly were you making said solve it first I gotcha is that neutral I think he's close he's just not quite there yeah the fall after Wanda blasted him out of the temple even better he didn't seem to get any frostbite or have any ill effects from the cold whatsoever that's what would be worth more if he'd given it more right because like the fact that he survived is one the fact that he's not now frozen is another but he's is that just one then I guess he said how does he survive because of these reasons and that thing that's like yeah labeled like a couple of things that would kill him it's like it's like Leia being in space we you know what thing and we'd say well because of the heat and because of the cold and because of the lack of atmosphere and you know that sort of thing yeah all you strangers you're the same what was she expecting here my strange using the dark hold to get back to his universe a surprise how the else was he gonna pull it off absolutely true I don't know why the plan wasn't explained before and I don't know what what else is there Regina what are you gonna do I guess I'll die that's what we've got at least your principles are intact then okay while I'm under I needed to protect my body trespassing souls of the damned this movie just invented a whole last reason out of thin air to make strange seem like a better version of all the other strangers by asking for help from Christine and besides how does he know that's gonna happen when he just heard about dreamwalking like an hour ago no this is it's the possessing a body of the dead yeah that's the dead part but to be fair is that who do you learn that from I can remember well it's like he's saying right he only learned about the ring walking like an hour ago so yeah so then how could you know about the dead part of it can you possess the body of a corpse without dreamwalking because dreamwalking is another dimension so in your own dimension if you could because you can puppeteer a corpse well so yeah just just to clarify right he found out about dreamwalking incredibly recently and this seems to be a subsection of the rules of dreamwalking right I think that this is just I think that the rules regarding controlling a corpse in this case that's always gonna happen if you if ever you take control of a corpse you are you're gonna get the demon visit and if you dreamwalk it's just because dreamwalking into your own corpse then the demons come in because you're because of the corpse part that's why it didn't happen to Wanda when she dreamwalked it's puppeteering a corpse in any way whether it's dreamwalking your own corpse in another dimension or just dream or just controlling a corpse in your own dimension the demons are gonna come I don't understand that second part of controlling a corpse that's never been a thing ever it's just dreamwalking that's what it is can you control a corpse ever did they invent that for this this room said nothing about that being anything to do with like monsters coming to get you it's just dreamwalking into a dead part they said you dreamwalk into someone who's dead you're not allowed to do that and the monsters will come and get you that's it the other part that's coming from controlling so when the demons say that something's forbidden do they specifically say dreamwalking or possessing you can't dreamwalk into a dead body that's it that's what the demons say they say dreamwalking so that's why I was checking the script they say the demon people this would be the only thing that would probably support it to be honest with you the other guys are saying that they say they use the word possess it's also damn strange possessing a dead body is forbidden but they then say cease your dreamwalk you know it's yeah exactly it feels like it's interchangeable so can you possess things as a form of magic is that just a thing that magic allows you to do to possess we've never seen it certainly not in relation to sorcery we haven't seen any sorcery forms of possession unless I'm missing something I can't think of anything in the MCU that would constitute that maybe it's something that can be done I think because it's so poorly explained I'm not sure I guess the question is is dreamwalking the only form of possession it's the only one we've ever seen and it doesn't matter it is dreamwalking because it's in an alternate universe so regardless of whether it constitutes possession or not it is dreamwalking it has to be and it is the issue with the demons that it's a corpse he's dreamwalking into yeah that's the specific issue that they have because it's baffling because one possessing a real living human is apparently less bad than a dead body it doesn't make any sense there should be no essentially committing a moral crime by possessing a corpse in and of itself because you're not vile well I mean certainly less than a person who is actually alive yeah you're not like pausing someone's consciousness or removing their autonomy so it's weird it's just one of those who isn't it like spookier to possess a corpse or whatever it's like no I mean that visceral sort of look to it but that doesn't mean anything really just to clarify then the defense of him knowing is that he's aware of a rule that's a general rule do not possess dead bodies and he's like if I dreamwalk into a dead body that's gonna apply to that rule that I'm aware of but the criticism of course is that you shouldn't be aware of this rule because he doesn't know anything about dreamwalking it just sounds yeah like to me that's like imprinted doing a lot of work for the film that wasn't when I watch this my take away is that possessing a corpse makes the demons come and get you that's forbidden the dreamwalking element is separate but not necessarily contradictory to the control of a dead body and that's why the demons come to me I feel like that's doing a lot of work for the movie that wasn't in the film I would be much more comfortable if Christine said what do you know about dreamwalking it's like oh this goes well beyond dreamwalking this is like yeah something like that spiritual rule but you're saying we could just we could infer that on its own I think that's one of those really murky ones where it's like is there enough because comparing that with Wanda dreamwalking herself she dreamwalks an alive person and the demons don't care even though it's dreamwalking I think part of the problem is that possession would be super useful across many of the interactions he's had in this universe and he's never used it or talked about it I agree so like wouldn't you reasonably infer there is no possession spells I don't think so maybe if this was a really well written to clarify if they highlighted in this film that he could possess say Wanda in the middle of a fight we'd be like what the fuck why hasn't he done that in any other fight before I would agree but I wonder because there's not a consciousness in a corpse if that's just a thing you could do like I'm going to take control of this corpse because it's just a thing I could move it's essentially like remote telekinesis in a way going to your astral form or something like yeah like to me there seems to be like built into the idea of possessing a live person versus a corpse you know a meaningful difference between being able to do that like you have to put someone on pause or kick them out with a living person whereas a dead body is why are we assuming that this is possible though I've never seen it happen ever well the key point if it were introduced we would then have questions about previous stuff which is why shouldn't we then assume it's not a thing yeah that's what I'm saying I think that's the product of how bad like a lot of the magic has done in this stuff also then you agree so you agree with yeah because like your point seems to be possession is like overarching umbrella and then there's walking and specifically it's the possession of a dead body that will get you in trouble with demons and Doctor Strange knew that rather than he's just wrong and somehow knew something he didn't know which is that you can't room walk into a dead guy meanwhile I would say it can't be what you're saying anymore because possession would screw up previous films they'd have to commit to no possession or possession is something that requires the consent of the person or something like that yeah I know what you mean I just it's hard to tell based on all the information they give and the implications of it knowing you know the stuff that exists with all the weird fucking portals and shit and the magic stuff that they pull out of their ass and you know how use things to me I think simpler explanation is it's made up bullshit in this film like they pulled it out of their ass and that seems to be correct yeah whatever rule that there would be about demons not liking you doing anything bad with corpses to me it seems simpler Doctor Strange needs to room walk into zombie because zombie looks cool and then monsters will come out and fight him and he shouldn't know this to me that just makes way more sense to me as like the fuck up not that he knew that the demons didn't like you doing any crazy magic stuff like with dead people and he already knew that beforehand so are the demons so the demons are tied to the dark hold specifically do they exist outside like the spawn out of his eyeballs or something well if dream walking exists only as part of the dark hold why would you have a whole list of I get like so all the demons they just wait until someone uses the dark hold to dream walk into a corpse or is it just the other roles yeah I probably do other stuff I guess I don't know I I guess I'm pretty neutral on it I just don't I think sins is correct yeah I I think you're right I'll do what you guys decide on yeah when to happen when he just heard about dream walking like an hour ago you're bringing in the candle sure but how can you be sure this is enough that's just a joke yeah it was strange so that's where your assholes draw along yeah yeah it's weird that I guess it's part of the rules of the magic but it's insane and stupid but if they don't contradict it I guess I don't know you know it's like with the undead spirit demon people only care about corpses being taken it's like it just sounds so stupid but I guess so well that's more issue with that then I guess they don't maybe they don't handle the living ones but there is no one who handles the living ones yeah it's it's it's like a guild it's heavily unionized the demon do they look like between the universes as well then because they they have they have evil spirit demon skull people per universe that take care of it for their own okay so whenever it's total sense yeah it's like if you know that doesn't make sense because then those universes don't know that it's another I just tripped over all my things never mind it's like if you go on the internet and you commit a crime virtually in another country then the country that you're doing the stuff and they're like oh something's bad and the person who's doing it is in this other country and so they have to it's like that man can we make friends with these demons if they know like everyone he uses them to defeat her oh yeah he does it seems to be against their will I don't know if they're friends yeah no it's fine so is this what'll zero because it's not contradictory in any way it's just it just seems stupid you know I agree with the sentiment but it is a zero it seems to be we would highlight this too we have yeah this is actually in the video talking about the movie but I guess the rules are stupid not that they exist I guess show your assholes draw them on this works yeah that's fair they were fucking spirits even and she could kick it like okay that doesn't really light up in the spiritual I don't I don't get it I just that's fair that must be ancient sorcerers speak for the tube exactly the thing I need exactly when I need it go back you know does it have what it is written in English on the front of it I think that she knows she does yeah but I remember saying like why wasn't there a moment just earlier with you know just explaining there are weapons in this room you can use it was so fucking stupid strange was just like defend me from the spirits of hell it's like with what this is something she does spontaneously she looks around she's like this smashes thing she knows about it it's the it has like a funny name in the first film bomb Goliath that must be ancient sorcerers put punching them with a fire extinguishing extinguishing fucking hell extinguisher again I'll do it one on one with her and hits things with it so what he's highlighting is how convenient I'm trying to think of exactly where the convenience would be labeled like it makes sense that this thing is in this room it makes sense that a lot of sorcerer items would be effective against spiritual beings the two of exactly the thing I need exactly when I need it it's not necessarily it's one of many things that would probably be effective against those things that she would be aware of I'm not I'm not sure that's the criticism I'm not sure that's how I would put it I guess given the context of where they are there's some level of like yeah I mean I guess it's not unheard of that this magical item isn't the first thing she tries though it's like she recognizes it she knows what it is she goes for it so to speak right I guess you could say it's convenient she backed up into this area this thing exactly would that be the point I guess the yeah because I feel like the flaw here that should be made is the whole like you gonna help me out with some stuff you gonna give me a magic item you gonna point me into something I can use or it's just like protect me you'll figure it out because I think in the actual action scene she literally turns around she's right next to it she could have been at any point in this room really to speak for the tube of exactly the thing I need exactly when I need it go back to hell fortunately the discount goblet of fire doesn't need a special enchantment or any kind of magical abilities to use it just a lame will do the trick this is basically a very fancy lighter and deodorant can I guess that's how it works with a sharpened piece of metal so I guess that's how it works I guess it out works fire is a fire I guess well like Mordil has that sorcerer sword I'm assuming that just that works I don't know because they have sorcerer imbued items right you don't need to be a sorcerer to use them I'm sure I assume I mean they they just we know this because the sling ring is one of those items and Ned uses that like straight away right so you don't have to train but as like to become understand you don't cast spells to activate the items I guess is what I'm saying I think the items just work and so anyone can use them it's like putting magic into an item and then that item has now got you know power and so anyone can use it I think that's how that works so that'll be a zero then I think it's a zero right yeah I think so I feel like the first draft of this movie went to Marvel and they said we like it but it needs more Raimi and then Raimi was like well I'm flattered but I think I've ejected about as much Raimi into this as I can without breaking some MCU fundamentals and then Marvel was like look buddy if you don't get your I don't know if the visual in the background is playing for too long here like this kid I don't know if this is always scary your ass back in there and give us a scene where strange possesses his own dead body and flies into battle with a cape made of damned spirits from the underworld just gonna be careful I don't know I feel like this is going on for a little too long we're over some sh** so help us fighty we will give this gig to Edgar f**king right holy s**t this is actually correct it's just references really sh** he's using a whole bunch of demons as a flight I think Raimi, I think fighty actually said that literally the only feedback they gave him was more Raimi isms like make it even more Raimi okay so that's a good guess on his part I'm not gonna give him points but it's a good guess every single one of these assholes focus their attention on one points for the cloak that's a zero yeah zero when there was a zombie sorcerer flying towards them just a second ago I guess that type of thing is easy to forget now they all what the hell the f**king sound's coming from my phone what is happening you pissed off wonder coming to you from across the multi oh my god did he actually die that was terrifying it just started playing a video and it's off what hmm I told you wonder was not happy that he decided to move me maybe some kind of like did any of us say play video I don't know I don't know why that just happened but hey dark hold I don't know because there's a reflection on your phone screen and I'm gonna replay now because I completely lost what we were we will give this gig to Edgar f**king right also holy sh** he's using a whole bunch of demons as a flying cloak every single one of these assholes focus their attention on Wong when there was a zombie sorcerer flying towards them just a second ago I guess that type of thing is easy to forget I mean they just didn't see him I'd have to re-watch the scene I don't remember if they just don't see him he comes in too fast yeah I don't remember I'd have to look at eyeliner I don't know I don't know he's crazy just bought though he's like fully black on a very snowy background so well do we give it to him or not I don't know I'm kind of on a zero there feeling pretty neutral on my one I'm gonna say zero I don't know enough oh sorry we're on let's see what you think of this rags okay wait that's not it there's some sh** so help us we will give this gig to Edgar f**king right also holy sh** he's using a whole bunch of demons as a flying cloak every single one of these assholes focus their attention on Wong when there was a zombie sorcerer flying towards them just a second ago I guess that type of thing is easy to forget the fact that there's three of them they shouldn't all be focused on Wong surely you think one of them might try to knock off Wong while the other two focus on the flying no well I thought the whole point is they hadn't noticed him yet if they hadn't noticed him yet then yeah they should all be focused on Wong because there's nothing else to focus remember if they know about Dr. Strange yet if they don't then it's fine they focus on Wong if they do know he's coming then they shouldn't all be focused on Wong especially because Wong is super vulnerable one of them can finish off Wong I'm booting up the movie just to find the answers back in question oh here we go yeah you're inviting more curses into your technology hmm oh they must have seen him yeah they definitely see him in fact it looks like him arriving is what makes them walk over to the edge yeah yeah yeah I completely forgot the scene so they all see him right and they're like oh we're gonna fuck you up and then one of them gets stabbed by Wong and then they all realize Wong is there then they all focus on Wong and it's like no you should probably keep an eye on the fucking sorcerer that is a point yeah now they all fuck Wong one by one instead of throwing multiple rocks where the fuck is Scarlet Witch she's at home washing her tights Scarlet Witch the thing about it is the general criticism is she should have sucked the powers out by now but she's just not doing anything every time we cut to her she's just sort of looking at things I think that's fair just to say yeah sounds about right which throws her red energy at zombie strange and the demons suck it all up which is fucking great I'd remove a sin for this if I understood why they were able to do this rather than just get them all let's try it yeah yeah he was gonna go that's cool so point but the nonsensicalness of it was too powerful and so he gave it a sin that's a point I realized that's even a thing that was a fight of cool versus logic there I guess that's something that crossed his line yeah you know I've come here to tell you to trust yourself trust your power I wish they had found some sort of way other than believe in yourself for America to use her power here considering how long she's been wandering around the multiverse you think she would have practiced it a bit learned a couple things but never mastering it so when it came to this scene it wouldn't sound like a commercial for the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints true yeah I agree what he's highlighted there is just that yeah there was nothing that actually led to her learning shit it just believe in yourself it's you don't have anything to learn it's all inside of you and you just have to believe that you can do it it's not actually there's nothing that's coming from outside of you that you have to change and grow with it's just it's not even like a confidence thing like the issue isn't you know I just I just can't do it and I don't think I have what it takes and then she gets the pep talk it's just no you just do it and she does yeah you open the portal you send us exactly where we need it to go if that's true there must have been an easier way to do this sending you both to the fox universe got a lot of people killed and Wanda was the one who sent you to the dead universe with the dark hole which led you here and even if America is innately controlling where you ended up that means she's controlling the portals and can tell the f***ing future because how else would she know the perfect route to defeat her that's true that was like two points that sounds like two points to me I agree I think that gets a two-pointer yeah dang yeah some greater natural ability for her to tell the future and that yeah that that's not really anything I said before but everyone who's understood anything about this we would just be like Doctor Strange is full of shit that can't be true like full of shit America's star white punch open up a portal behind Scarlet Witch suck her into a new universe every single portal has been a hoover that I'm afraid this is when she's controlling them so the film has it on that one that's a zero it's the chief reason why America thought was thinking of her parents when that beast was wrong what kind of you were thoughtlessly well what does everyone think do you think that's a zero or a negative one can I hear that again he's saying that every portal up to this point has been sucking people in this one doesn't why when this is the first portal after she's got control over him yeah I I think I'm gonna go with negative one on this I think it's fair that especially considering the whole point of now she can control it yeah cause as stupid as it is with the whole pep talk that's what's supposed to happen basically that's what they're trying to sell already no they're just kids why do they think running just behind the banister of the stairs is gonna protect them they're kids they don't want to leave their mum but they also don't want to be in the open that makes enough sense to me that's kind of it's kind of an unfair criticism I mean it's weird that he wouldn't have said like I know they're kids but you know you'd usually put it that way if you are understanding that but it seems like he just doesn't even did he say it someone said he I know they're just kids oh sorry okay well then at that point it's probably a zero for me it seems like he thinks it's still fair knowing knowing they're kids yeah it's the kind of thing where if you were in this call right now he's like I know they're kids but surely they're smart enough to realize that's not gonna protect them and then we would say yeah but they're that scared they don't know what to do they're terrified and they don't want to leave their mum but you know I could see him be like fine I could see him saying fine to that but it's not much character references anyway for them individually so we can default the kids here pretty easily kids but why do they think running just behind the banister the stairs is going to protect them and because Wanda has been shown the ghost of Christmas multiverse she will now suddenly see the light and stop her crusade but multiple characters have raised this fair I was willing to buy her ignoring that logic because of the dark hole being all evil and that she's listening to reason now makes me wonder why the dark holds influence this feels like more than plus one oh yeah this is like wrapping up the dark hold influence possibly still find a way to root for Wanda yeah you got two points I think that's a plus too good point you've got it quite the little thing do you have any point in watching the other video listen he can try he's just gonna earn more points that's the key yeah until they are or when Batman puts the rubble of the Scarlet Witch Kingdom back together through his computer and is able to read all the symbols carved in the rock um what so like it'll be gone forever but I mean from her POV it's fair that she's saying it that way you know there's a lot of logic loops you can find that would mean it wouldn't be the end but I don't know that is that more so what he's highlighting because I mean it's weirdly highlights when Batman puts the rubble back together and reads the word like that I feel like that's less likely but it's not impossible I feel like so if she believes that she's destroying all of the dark hold it's basically as long as Wanda believes it reasonably to be true then it's okay well that um it's just I guess it kind of depends on what does it feel like he's saying here is he trying to contradict her and say she's an idiot for thinking this or is he just trying to point out that that's just not true I think he's trying to point out it's not true until they are or when Batman puts the rubble of the Scarlet Witch Kingdom back together through I'm inclined to give a point here I think um how's everyone else feeling what's the reaction out there though that he's right I think well like he's right it'll eventually get like figured out someone will figure out a way to interpret the information again there are a couple ways it can come back we've talked about them before like the whole other people these temples exist in other worlds so once you transcribe the temple to a book you can then use that book to dreamwalk into this world and then you can transcribe into this world but as he said I never even thought about the idea of re putting all this building back together because it's like how could they do that it's like well this they have insane tech in these universes now that maybe can't strange just uses wombo magic to just reassemble it well you don't have the time frame anymore but he could get it if he wanted to he did the thing with the bus right didn't he just disassemble and reassemble a full bus just with magic I guess the thing is is like what is she supposed to do is she wrong to just say like well it does seem like it's the movie's opinion that this is the case sure sure but I get that I mean are we appealing to that I think that's why I'm teetering I'm not sure I was believing that taking all the precautions to destroy the book for good they also have a time machine you can obviously get this back of course I didn't even think to bring that up because I guess Wanda knows about the time travel thing I guess that image oh my god it's not even fair we haven't even seen this video yet it's been about 2988 I'm glad that format could exist at least with Eva I think one fused on really trying to say to give this a point either way I'm not sure what he what the sin is referring to exactly on one hand he's saying this doesn't get rid of the Darkhold forever movie that's stupid but on the other you could say the movie's not claiming that it's just Wanda she thinks it is I'm pretty sure that you guys would all see it as the movie's point that the Darkhold will never be used again absolutely yeah and so that's why I'm more inclined to give him a point for this because it truly is very relevant that you can get the Darkhold back it's not done you haven't wiped it from the universe it's not gone probably not even possible yeah no well with the time machine it's certainly not possible Wanda's got to survive this and go destroy the time machine and anyone who does want to make a time machine so she's going to kill Tony and Bruce at this point no she should just kill everything just kill all kill everything in all multiverses so that you definitely make sure there's no more Darkhold wait is it okay are we on a one yeah I'm on a one okay yeah we're giving that read all the symbols carved in the rock it's a very necessary Darkhold involving plant units yeah this is why I think it's the movie's opinion that she was right about that that's a great point how the fuck did she do that you got a point for that how was that even possible it was nice of America to wait long enough for 616 Strange and 838 Christine to have their moment before extracting them from this universe yeah yeah I mean there's no reason why they took so long she would have portalled her and Wong out and then she should immediately portal for them but she doesn't for some reason that's enough for them to have a speech why are they still in the frozen tundra of lambo field America's star portal out of that universe oh my god I didn't even think of that well pointed out they forgot where they were when they made that nice good catch great point now that she can control her powers why isn't she off universe hopping and trying to find them again it's not even a matter of instant she can do it based on the people I'm glad I fell into your that's a point I would have made a biggest thing about it but that's okay that's a point even though it resulted in the destruction of several new york city blocks the death of multiple sorcerers and the very real possibility of an evil witch dominating the multiverse true true man here we are looking you caused an incursion Jesus Christ it is an impressive feat to undermine the dramatic ending of your movie that's even finished rolling we just skipped over strange freaking out straight to f*** yeah let's go universe hopping with sudden cipher from reindeer games fame and get oculating true they feel like they're made by two different people those scenes probably are why hasn't anybody tried to help this poor bastard yet or arrested him I feel like the 838 Rachel McAdams would have found this guy by now and fixed that s*** definitely one of the people who would have helped him he's right eventually the police would have looked at all the f***ed up food and everything like he's been trying to make it work but he's having such a terrible time he can't make pizzas in everything well yeah you just feel bad for the f***er yeah you just feel really bad because he was kind of a good dude and he didn't want people to steal his s*** and he got punished by a dick didn't even lose weight in that time my friend in there said come here look at this stuff it's all an exact replica what do you think uh Stephen Wright thanks again to better help okay we don't need to what is the rest of this just better everyone who watches everyone who watches Multiverse of Madness can probably use the therapist he does references at the end he just does little edits so that's all good time to tally to reveal the score uh how very exciting yeah so uh give me a sec I'm just gonna count my number off the top of my head I think this is the stupid one excel spreadsheet uh no just a notepad and I put one zero or negative one or whatever the thing was I could have kept it going the whole time but I just decided not to you think I know how to use excel what am I a wizard how do you excel to just like add everything up right oh here I'm adding well while while he adds I think it's safe to say that this was a pretty strong showing from uh cinema sins he surprised me honestly I didn't expect to do uh this well he pointed out some good stuff he had some insights I hadn't uh considered so good on ya cinema sins you definitely exceeded my expectations good stuff the only real question is if you you're gonna have what it takes to beat in the one round fight you're gonna have what it takes to to beat your your inverse cinema wins which you just might be able to I believe in you the negative I think if victory was your goal you might uh I think you've done good so far but we'll see you never know I mean cinema sin surprised me here so cinema wins could surprise me uh next grand total of 67 points according to the way that I recorded it 67 67 I think there was a total of like 150 points there if you exclude the extra 100 that he added on so that means half of them we considered to be like worthwhile um not bad really that's probably the best cinema sin video we've watched I think so I would actually go as far as saying it was a good video I think I think so it was a couple inaccuracies but really not some of them are very understandable considering how confusing this movie is well just there was some there was some like more fundamental kind of insights in that video that were worthwhile so not just like basic arguments but like much more thorough comprehensive sort of core points about the nature of the multiverse and how like if you actually want to delve into the nature of the multiverse and the decisions that people make and how those choices can radically change their lives that it's like blows the doors open or wonder that part at the end of summarizing wonder I was surprised it's like that's actually like that's not only accurate but like you've untangled something that is like quite tangled which is who the hell was wonder yeah he has ascended in multiple instances past that tier one of movie criticism he's been able to kind of be you know to really think about it and actually engage with the information and be critical of it yeah good on that why do we think is it because the film is so bad that it was it was easier maybe sometimes that's what it takes cause well a lot of well a lot of people just I'd say like virtually everyone they're just not consistent and this was one of those things where it's really easy to look at and see the issues and see the problems and like whether like it was kind of like TLJ for me sort of snapped me out of that sort of movie lull and got me to be critical about stuff like that so sometimes it just takes a really bad movie just to kind of make you go oh wait you know like wow this is bad I mean everyone has like their breaking point right I'm not saying accumulate I don't think you have a breaking point though yeah I don't think this is like a permanent thing I don't think this is like some permanent change but some movies you look at and they're just so bad on their face or there's so much stuff going on that you can just point it out cause even I mean that's what I mean everyone's got that movie that we can all point out and be like yeah that's bad because this and this and this plot this plot that and that doesn't make sense they just won't be consistent with that on a movie that they like so I think this was one where I guess that kind of you know tipped over the line for I just find it interesting how like multivus at this point the room and that film came out everybody thought it was really good yeah now everybody agrees that the script sucks like that is just consensus I think people will still recall like yeah but it's visually speaking remember and it's like yeah but mostly everybody now agrees that script was horrendous even on the visuals people are now like not as thrilled I'd say like cinematography sometimes maybe but like people should on the visual effects yep so this is slightly relevant I remember that and or guy I was talking to you about before so you know what guess what his favorite Marvel Marvel film is let me guess so this is the guy who thought it was like boring or he wouldn't watch Andorra or something he said that Star Wars shouldn't shouldn't have interest shouldn't have incredible dialogue that guy what would he have as his favorite MCU movie I'm trying to think of the most like heady feels he doesn't make sense one that there is it might be endgame but it could but I feel like a lot of people might say endgame so you might not have brought it up for that reason so I might go with uh Winter Soldier multiverse of madness I guess it's so topical I should probably guess that but yeah I get a point logically that he's you know he would he would I guess you know what a world I guess it's time then here it is the response over to begin this corner a different approach now as we've highlighted not the easiest task for those who don't know this channel is focused on praising film no matter what no matter what the film is we praise it we give it points we talk about its pluses and again we're going to have the exact same system as long as what he says is true and representative and you know fair it's just like yeah you'll get a point but I'm sure we're going to encounter some strange shit because defending this films writing is real fucking hard and gonna have to move some facts around in order to do it effectively I would imagine oh we start with a sponsor too oh my god this really is the mirror image I'll report for his own nebula what is happening to the video? nebula that's also 27 minutes okay I guess except for the playing on a it's the field if you could say that this movie is that they're both playing on is the worst movie ever fucking made but we'll see you never know maybe cinema wins can pull it out he was sponsored by nebula classes and specifically Patrick Willems brand new class how to make a movie make a deal for me negative points we can start learning from the best has Patrick has Patrick Willems made a movie? I think he's made like a short film or something maybe I don't know okay I'm curious hey that doesn't count that doesn't count it's hilarious that he thinks that I will never forget the Black Widow one where it goes then plays as I was just children screaming do you remember alright seems to be a little extra strange in Wanda and the Marvel logo this time and that makes these multiverse of mad style opening credits I don't know that's not that's the inverse the first criticism of the last one because he started the logo thing the equivalent of sins they would be like they're fucking shoving a bunch of doctors right you know we would say zero either way I think right it's not you have to do more you'd have to say more than that so that's gotta be a zero I'm afraid hey it even ends on a sling ring oh fucking zero zero zero zero to me that's like to me that's like saying Benedict Cumberbatch is in this it's like it's not anything you gotta tell me why that's meaningful tell me why that's worthwhile or impressive and just dropping us right into the action with the grooviest hair dude strange to date zero I yeah strange has a groovier hair dude yeah come on wins come on come on come on come on these opening notes are very reminiscent of the Wanda vision theme which would make sense since it's actually her attacking defender strange in America through the slinky dude yeah I think thematically that's okay on the theme because she's the one controlling the demon which is going to be revealed later right I mean I guess is that how you use any particular theme that is pertaining to any character like does that necessarily what does that mean but that's good that's a connection I mean it's a connection sure but is it appropriate like what is the Wanda vision thing with like which which part of the theme is that like I don't know all I remember is that it's like a fairy tale you like so I think it like it matches and then it's you know I think that is more than neutral yeah what do you think Rex I'm okay I agree that it's very I think I know what Fringy means here it's like yep that's the Wanda sort of behind it so we have the Wanda vision theme which I think the fact it's a secret that she's controlling this thing quote-unquote you know you already knew if you why it's like foreshadowing it's something more than just like if we knew this was her and it was just playing his vaguely something to do with this song I feel less inclined to compliment it but the fact that it's like in a sense giving you a clue as to what what the antagonist is I think that's kind of neat yeah that's sometimes because I have no idea like which part of the famous yeah I don't think he plays it let's see if he does oh wait I know he played like half of it I think I don't know I don't actually hear the okay fine you get one point moving on the first word spoken aren't in English love when the audience gets treated like adults no it's stupid they wouldn't just randomly switch between languages that's not yeah that's dumb that's a negative it feels more like pandery look we've got a different language and it's like why just for the hell of it especially when it's in subtitles you know I liked it in Andor when all the flashback scenes of Andor's childhood there were no subtitles to their language and you had to pay attention to their gesticulations or expressions or inflections I think you could even argue it's the opposite of treating us as adults like it's like that's what I'm saying with the negative one oh shit okay I think I might go with the negative one on this because you're praising something that I think is actually bad not even like negative it's more with the language switching there is as someone points out there's only one of the time she does it and it's for a joke and that's it yeah otherwise they speak out in English and when she meets the other Doctor Strange I think they start talking in English and everything so it would be really cool if they incorporated it properly but this is only here I think just to be praised for being here that's why it's cheap if she meets a new Doctor Strange adults treat you like adults because they're not speaking English I don't understand what that even means especially if there's subtitles especially if there's subtitles also what if you just speak Spanish we're treating you like an adult by speaking your language it also makes sense to switch in a high emotional state she does it later just for a meme so that's the two examples we have and then none for the rest of the film I mean everything everywhere all at once is kind of a go to example of how to do it in a way that this is how you swap or incorporate multiple languages in a way that makes sense and feels natural if they can switch there's English words mixed in here and there in a sentence because they're not as coherent on every sentence and how it's structured because they're not as familiar with the rules of the language and stuff versus just they speak this language here and now they don't okay but yeah I'd have to be convinced for a negative one I'd say zero but I'm on zero I personally I am personally going with the negative but of course if everyone wants to give it a zero we'll go with whatever correct me if I'm wrong but for in ML you just said zero as well yes that would be zero zero continuing on you're with horror this time around you got nothing for that nothing I'm wrong but he's saying that isn't it great that there's violence in this more so than we usually have is that the compliment? I mean if anything showing incredible injuries and not having the characters react to them could be a negative thing so so far this is just an observation yeah I would say that's why it's a zero yeah this is a zero this is the only way and I thought that ponytail was the most evil thing about him oh come on this again there are I literally have a ponytail right now I don't know negative 12 but not for that reason Darth Vader was bald I don't know what's going on it was a joke it wasn't a particularly funny one it's a zero ponytail people are evil yes it's funny somehow your sacrifice is worth more come up it's come up it's negative one negative one misunderstood the fucking see that's not comeuppance he's trying to save the multiverse you moron comeuppance instant easy negative one yeah he did a nice thing by trying to explain to her why he's doing it he didn't want to that's why it's a last resort listen if you didn't know she dies anyway she's dead either way never mind so many people don't understand this about the movie so cinema wins oh my god I don't care if he was a good guy he's gonna kill a kid are we on level one of morality jeez what are you there's just no scenario where killing the kid could be considered moral that's just impossible do you know Damien is I don't care if he's a good guy he was gonna kill a kid I don't care if he's a good guy he was gonna let the multiverse die I guess so when wonder gets crushed under the debris he's gonna say comeuppance I'm curious just how you would deal with the trolley problem with their old kids what happens then what's the moral choice let the scientists die and you shouldn't have to make them all kids like the person the single person is the kid and the five on the other side are adults and I mean like it doesn't even like we're giving them easy mode here with that example but yeah you wonder what he's gonna say but like I'm sorry that you're on like level one of ethics I grow up I just don't care how he hasn't considered what Defender Strange trying to do in this scene but that's he's gonna kill a kid simple as that also is she a kid is she I can buy people referring to teens as kids I get what they mean by it but I know what you're saying as well but yeah kid comeuppance he gets a slight moment of redemption a slight moment of redemption Defender Strange was a chat absolute chat he's like unironically kind of like the most heroic character here in a way he just wasn't fast enough with his decisions okay yeah if anything that's a negative one right kind of it's characterizing him as like it kind of rolls into the last point because of anything the last point shows that the reason that she's alive is because he was showing her a kindness by explaining why he had to kill her um which actually if anything kind of caused trouble here instead of him just doing the thing um wait someone said it's still the previous point is he dinged yet? yeah he dinged yeah he dinged this is a new point last act slight moment of redemption I mean there's nothing he needs to redeem himself for so it doesn't even yeah it's true I'm gonna lower the barf how does this even well that's the thing I don't want to give him a negative one for fucking everything oh well we have been right a lot of these have been zero yes so so is that one neutral because it's like I think this rolls into the last point yeah this one relies on the last one it's a zero for this one just like a shitty thing to say but it's a zero yeah the last one is the negative one for the characterization and this one relies on that kind of characterization so it kind of rolls into the last point the last one's a setup for this one what a slick transition to Bob Newhart about this cold open you could know about the Bob Newhart show right? no I mean I think it's a smooth transition we added on a reference that's all yeah whatever I'm okay with complimenting that cinematography it's kind of cool lowering the bar for difficulty if you can get into positive numbers by the end and that will be a victory no I was not in line with that that's just like a yes fa yeah it's so easy to forget that he's one of the celebrities so everyone's weird around him wow I was who was weird around him there's that one guy to the bottom left there you see him oh shit that's like one guy I was about to say good note and yes but then it's like who else is I'm afraid that is a zero because you're close I think the way I would have said this was valid is he said look at this guy reacting because he knows Dr. Strange of course he would I think that would be fine but the fact that you said everybody is reacting to was like no they're not celebrities so I don't know maybe you could argue that girl and the red back there is kind of looking at him maybe in the guy it's kind of it's kind of cool that he's making me think about how he's making me think about how there should be more people looking at him he's like holy fuck that's Dr. Strange yeah he might have kind of heard himself here because now I'm thinking yeah Dr. Strange on the Avengers they really are to save the whole universe and he might have called they recognize that it's something to acknowledge but they decided that it would only be this one guy really that's doing it well let's use your example from Black Widow how in the MCU Dr. Strange is more famous in his universe than Benedict Cumberbatch is in ours so Benedict Cumberbatch tuning up to a wedding would have many people being like holy fuck that's Benedict Cumberbatch he's Dr. Strange he's Dr. Strange he's more famous than himself what the I call him Smog wait so that was a zero yeah I would say a zero but that one almost is like that almost teeters on like oh like you I guess it's more of an up yeah it doesn't change what's in the movie but it's almost like you've kind of almost made the movie worse by saying something I lost both my cats and my brother priorities but I really do like the MCU isn't playing the blip off like it wouldn't totally screw everyone's life up I never understand a commentary like this yeah the MCU famously really committing to the blip yep that's what the MCU is doing there by by every once in a while mentioning it in an essentially throwaway conversation they're really committing to that yeah it's like sometimes acknowledging it 99% of life was wiped out and I walk around in a city and just it's like everything is fine and I see a lot of people and I'm just like yeah and it's like and then there's a corpse on the floor and it's like I love that they acknowledge the 99% of people who died not even close I don't want to spam negative ones okay that's a zero I assume that's a zero I guess depending on our scoring is he saying something that's just not true they are acknowledging the blip here this is what's happening I guess it's true but the MCU is absolutely playing the blip off like it doesn't screw everyone's lives up they totally do I don't know why he's saying that they don't they do and what about the priorities line the whole like what if the cat maybe he wasn't on a good relationship with his brother like it's totally believable that you know he was he liked his cats more than his brother I think the argument can be made for negative one I'm just trying to stop throwing them all out that's what I'm saying I feel like especially with the hey isn't it cool that they notice Dr. Strange and then we're like wait like no one is noticing Dr. Strange let's see and then the priorities part that's actually a good point that Rody would be considered evil for suggesting stopping Thanos when he was a baby I guess the atmosphere in that scene is that he's wrong for suggesting that and besides they have a fucking time machine so they can do a hell of a lot more things than just killing him when he's a baby there's plenty of options so destination species so did we do we need a vote maybe on zero or negative one 0 if you want to I don't I do not want to come across as being unfairly negative but I'm gonna go with negative one on this for these back to back just especially with the last one I think they I think that I think this is a negative one yeah negative one for me no balls cause I'm like right on the edge I could go either way really but edging fuck off cause I also don't like the whole we acknowledge it but that one is dumb priorities or whatever but also I also don't want to spam the negatives cause he's bringing up because remember he says I really do like that the MCU isn't playing the blip off he's not saying like this scene in this like doctor strains the movie he's saying the MCU isn't playing the blip off but it is that might be enough cause I was just thinking about how if this read I really do like that the movie isn't playing the blip off that I'd be like well this moment maybe but the rest of the movie doesn't really acknowledge the blip and so maybe that would be a zero but the fact that he said the MCU which is absolutely given zero fucks about the blip feel more like a negative one he says the MCU but would that count towards only the movie then would they just criticize all the movies then he could have said this movie he could have said something along the lines of even though I feel like the MCU doesn't often you know reference this event it's nice that at least there's some recognition here in this scene yeah I didn't know what I'm saying is because we made the distinction in the other video that if it's in another movie it didn't count correct if you had an accurate criticism of a different film it wouldn't count for a point so if you had an accurate criticism inaccurate criticism of another film meaning rest the MCU that would still would you say the difference is that he references the MCU for which this is a part of that's an interesting point yeah because the MCU is simultaneously not any single movie but also not like it's in all of them but also none of them it's not any single movie but it's in all of them that's what I'm trying to say yeah it's like if we were covering a Star Wars movie and he referenced the Star Wars franchise well this is a part of that thing it's not just a reference to a different movie as just a reference for a reference to a sake or a joke this is like to a degree like a like substantively a part of the MCU for which he's making the judgment this is adding to that it is part of the MCU that's all that's the whole point of the CU any of that convincing to you when you're sticking to the zero the reason why I think I'm at a zero is because like I can see that argument in favor of the negative but like the observation like is the observation that what he has said is overplayed because this is acknowledgement of what happened it's just that he's giving it more credit than I think it deserves I don't know if that's enough to constitute a negative for me fair I understand that all right now we got a vote oh I'll go with zero shit that actually means I'm the final vote okay well up to you yeah the chat what are we looking like you might decide it for me I'm phoning the audience what is it called call the ask the audience I said negative one negative one negative one negative one we can't use this lifeline again that's a lot of negative ones okay that reminds me of as play for today of Gollum when we were doing the puzzle people were saying call a friend call a friend Joker lock balls lock balls you'll find out about it someday probably I'm sure I'll watch your streams I'll learn about the ball locking the best surgeon and the best superhero lock I mean he deserves that one he didn't even climb a Ferris wheel for her no he does not fucking deserve that one he does not deserve that one negative one again why are you by the way this is the stuff that I find confusing about the notion of like see nice and positive it's like that's not very nice is it really like there's a the second half is a reference to second half is a reference to notebook I believe of which he was in with Ryan Gosling but could it be interpreted that he's simply joking he doesn't actually mean he deserves that one is the second half is a reference to Ryan Gosling doing that to get a date with her in that movie I don't know how do we maybe it gets elaborated on and like subsequent let's give it another listen does he sound serious or joking I mean he deserves that one he didn't even climb a Ferris wheel for her what I know it's a joke I think it's a joke it's a joke that's zero I'll give him a zero what are you doing let's see what wait hold on now I can't remember if I wrote down negative one which one is this 13 hang on this is 13 thank you love you okay I'll just undo my recent how many negative ones have we had in a row just one now right I think it was just the one but now it's just one that old classic Jesus trick sorry illusion Michael it's not an illusion it's just nothing he doesn't just change the color the whole point is that he said yeah he's specifically getting her wine that's the point of that better zero yes I wish it had been different no no to this do not do this at the wedding you want to apologize I'll let them know how you feel great you have literally every other day you're playing yourself strange he is actively engaging in this conversation wait did he give that a win that's that's a great point this is bad win wait what it's an observation that it's like see it's a win because it's in character that wasn't part of what he said is that what that doesn't sound at all like it sounds like he's just saying it's bad like it's not a that doesn't as far as I'm aware from his system that wouldn't be considered a win that would be not you know I mean like I'm like lost we take it away you know we know it's a win because it's a thing that's happening and that's a character I guess I was about to say if the argument is this is kind of good drama because it's in character and it's not something that someone should do then that would make sense and then we would actually give him a point is that what's happening here I don't know he says no no to this I don't know but you're playing yourself strange that sounds like it could be a compliment do not do this at the wedding you want to apologize or let them know how you feel I think that it would be very cathartic if someone came up to you and apologized for something that they'd done in the past it would be like a resolution to something which I think would make the day better because that's a good thing to happen right if someone I think you're right but if you watch the scene it does seem like he's probably going a little further than that yeah yeah he definitely was cause he seems to I think he drops a tear right I can't remember you can see him in his eyes yeah I am inclined to go hyper good faith and assume he is trying to say this is good right in because strange is in character and it's not a good thing to do which is actually something of a like okay at the grace then that would be a point I just his system can be it's just like sins where he can be confusing with it as well other day playing yourself strange little details like this are great that one is at least a second but yeah I guess that's what he wanted to in the context of his character this chug it moment isn't a cool let's get it done moment strange is emotionally struggling and also probably going into this fight buzzed rough baby I think I think I can buy that depends on his limits I mean if we're going as strictly as he chugs that drink down after talking to Christine cause that was so emotionally stressful and he chugs another one down on his way to fight some 60s and knows exactly how it's going to go I think I can buy that as like that's kind of solid a lot it's not a lot but it's it's it's more than nothing right it is it's more than nothing it is more than it's not explicitly highlighted and it's something you can draw being like strange drinks in order to feel better about stress for yeah that's a point either way would a masterful exit a king at the height of his craft it's not showing off if it's what you were born to do I mean it is but if Megamind can do it strange can do it I don't know if I think that's what I came at the height of his craft is I mean what we're about to see is definitely against that I guess he's talking about what's happening right here I quite like that transition into his outfit I don't know yeah I like the flip but his compliment is too strange himself yes um it's not showing off if it's what you were born to do is that like a preemptive like he's showing off and that's bad but it's not bad because it's just what he does it's I don't know I'm trying to figure out what his compliment is if it's to the character writing or if it's just to the spectrum it's a cool way of showing that he's really competent that would be my guess it's like a really straightforward honest like pretty quick like few seconds way of showing that he's confident but if he sort of gracefully leaves off the balcony confident I guess yeah he is being confident if he's talking about him being competent then I think that starts to broach into negative territory with all the stuff that he does but surely in isolation it would count because he is supposed to be confident isolation he's not supposed to be a fucking moron but they unfortunately make it so that he is I'll give him this one I think I'm inclined to give him this one he's on a he's on a three win streak I don't know I can't get the height of his craft it's not showing off if it's what you were born to do I mean it is but if Mega Mind can do it Strange can do it wait did he just summon a monster head to stop that car from flipping on the people negative one so let me re-explain the concept of negative one is that by the nature of his compliment there he's like completely undercut the actual reality that's horrifying he dropped a car on an innocent civilian and used a spell that was really stupid to deal with the situation his commentary here should probably be this is clear evidence that he's drunk because he's doing something horrifically yeah that's true and you could then turn that into a compliment you could be like this is in line because he's just had those drinks and he's pulling out spells here that are more showy than necessary he could have made a compliment there yeah unfortunately he just says this is amazing didn't you say Mola that he would have wins in here that would have almost the same wording as sins but it would be positive yeah sins is like trying to highlight how this is destructive and then wins is like this is amazing look at this movie did he give us, was that the one thing or was that two things I thought he gave it for amazing and for who directed this movie that's one point ok wait did he just summon a monster head to stop that car from flipping onto people this is amazing so who directed this movie look in the monster's face as he stares directly at strange as if he's pissed that strange just revealed him and then totally surprised by strange disassembling the bus it's one point that he looks mad that he got revealed uh huh like I guess I would be mildly that's teetering for me because they took the time to make sure they animated and expressed through a giant eyeball that's what they did but why does that get him a point that's what the animators did he yeah the animators did that why does he get a point for noticing that specifically he's got a all the stuff he points out as a compliment is all the stuff that the writers I would say is different for me is like I thought everybody saw that like the drink thing was kind of like that's kind of like an above and beyond observation I thought everybody saw the monster was angry I don't think that the requirement of our points is people have seen it will notice that well I think there's an amount of subtlety in the things that you notice that make your commentary more valuable I disagree so the stuff that we've got in here is some of those blatant fuck ups and we give points for that like you know what they do to the illuminati everyone over the world was pissed about that and it's still valid well like if we were covering like Empire Strikes Back and you know we say like oh Luke's really upset at hearing that you know Vader saying he's his father point to the acting I'd consider that fair well what is he pointing is that the acting that's being pointed out here for the like the monster so no this is the work on the animators part with complimenting yeah sure it could have had it be neutral as an eyeball but look at the expression I think he's right they're totally surprised by Strange disassembling the bus alright that part is more well both of them I like the look here that the tentacle guy gives because he looks as cinema wins points out he's like where did my cloak go did you just fucking remove it like he's like fuck it out I like that okay for the for the bus disassembly and the revelation I'll give a point I'll give a nothing's pissed that Strange just revealed him and then totally surprised by Strange disassembling the bus I'm impressed by that I'm inclined to say that there's one he's highlighted two points but I'd say there's one it's the expressions on one yeah there's a lot of them have one alright these back to back expressions yeah and fun fact Garganto's eye is a scan of Elizabeth Olsen's eye um that's neat I think I would give that a point for the same reason I give that theme thing a point like the idea that she she creates the monster she summons them so it has some aspect of here that's something it's never gonna be I think the problem is you'll never know that from the movie alone yeah you'll never know that yeah how does that work for us yeah like that's like legitimately cool but I think that's totally meta like that can't be used as a clue or anything in universe as to what's going on it's more of those like you read it on a tweet after the fact and like oh that's like that's really neat but like what is that is that a credit to the I mean it was gonna be someone's eye having it be her eye makes some sense but what does that do for the movie I suppose we didn't you say I think no you said it is it's a fun fact I am inclined to say that's too meta like there's just no way to who's gonna recognize that's her eye it is to only be able to know that there's no way you could in the same thing that is like but it is a zero it's some stuff like what about like you know the Jimmy Kimmel's cousin was in the first episode of Mando stuff like that would that be considered nothing I think that's nothing right yeah that's a zero that's like oh it's neat this you could be like Peter Jackson the carrot is like yeah that's neat but it's not like because this is something as in they could be a reason why the eye looks like that in universe is reasoning but you'll never be able to come be able to put those pieces together those eyes a scan of Elizabeth Olsen's eye tight moment that again shows how old had it all is for strange negative one again negative one again I imagine someone was kind of negative one wins I was hoping it'd be a bit more neck and neck I genuinely do get a sense that he knows and he just can't highlight it he knows he can't highlight it like come on man you saw this that was insane but even since highlights wins yeah you can you're welcome to be like though that was probably not the best spell that's how I would expect him to do it it's a concern about his deja vu sick match cut what sick match cut talking about the two America showbiz right it looks like that they do that in the middle of the framing but I thought you were treating us as adults so that's that's an interesting isn't it kind of annoying that they like see he remembers him because he had that he speaks you gave a win because they speak Spanish and that's treating me like an adult because at the same time like I was there two minutes ago and I was going to say I like match cuts but that's a pretty that's like though it's got to be the lowest level of a match cut right it's just a character standing and one portion of the screen right yeah like it's the easiest to recreate and it's the most straightforward it's just a person there's nothing more you can't draw anything out of that meaningfully you just like that's it's a bit neutral because it is not a sick match cut it just is one yeah and I'm I'm super inclined to compliment the cinematography where necessary but like I don't know about that one that one seems really strict like are we going to be complimenting like if he's like look a dolly it's like look they used you know just basic that it feels like that's that's not quite enough to give compliment to so I probably say zero I would say zero as well though it annoys me I understand yes monster vision where have I seen that before I don't know about that so uh I don't know like to fine tune it I'm literally like a 0.3 or something I'm like it's something but it's so little I think this is where I'm starting to wonder like if how fair is it if it's like ah see the points cumulate pretty well and it's like every single thing here is just like oh see that was kind of like a neat little observation compared to like a substantive meaningful like point about the storytelling you know what I mean like oh like how much is that going to skew I'm just like oh yeah it's I mean we give we gave points to sins for any of his we did that's the same thing as many of those how do we weighing the accuracy how we don't we don't do weight really at all do we as far as I'm aware we threw that out at the beginning I should tell I'm wondering now I know something I'm wondering about this is the only way we're gonna stand a chance we have to make the margins as broad as possible so what is that is that 1 or 0 the monster I won like I said I would as far as I could go as like 0.3 so just round it to 0 yeah there he is is the chorus singing long because they should and it would be amazing but are they they aren't right if they are that's fucking cringe he's simply complimented the music for matching Wong which I don't know if it did I don't know if they actually said Wong in choir for that it's kind of hard to judge that one I'm gonna have to all use 0 because we don't really know I like the music well no it would be saying the music is matching the characters coming on screen it's just I don't know that it does yeah I would definitely want more because I was about to say if he had said Doc Strange come on screen then Doc Strange theme starts playing it's like we're gonna need a little more than that I think helpfulness and again he's at least two drinks in makes sense he's so zonked that's not why he's he was thrown through the building yeah and the cloak fucks up so much in this scene there's a couple remember it doesn't opt to save strange when it could it doesn't move him out of the way of like several he gets thrown into that building because the cloak just sits there it doesn't move him when it usually does well so is that nothing or is that inaccurate helpfulness it's like you're ignoring all of the not helpfulness and then he's two drinks in it's like that's not why he's knocked out he's thrown through a building maybe that's a negative one both points he's just wrong and he's ignoring evidence that he knows is there so it's negative one it's gotta be and also like how fast does alcohol work exactly he's not drank that much I don't understand why it doesn't matter he's at most yeah I can't he's thrown through a building that's what did that probably the alcohol definitely Ken he's at least two drinks in yes the under bits look as gross as I expected sound design matches perfectly I guess we can I guess I'm really just wondering it almost seems like wow so it's just like it's good work fundamentally we're talking about is he accurately saying what things are good about this film and the under flash of whatever this creature is does look good yeah so that gets you as many points as when that is that is the format that they do right that's yeah all right well yeah okay yeah remember what he said he looked in the reflection that was the wrong direction I don't get the top of those one example like that's why I'm wondering that's still given a point which means that's the rule okay all right you know essentially custom to bow in the presence of the sorcerer supreme yeah I'm aware of the customs it's almost like strange has read the comics and knows he's supposed to be sorcerer supreme but glad to see he's handling it with so much maturity so he was sorcerer supreme he's just he's passive aggressive because he was sorcerer supreme not because he read the comics which I know it's a joke I'm just saying that like is that is that enough to be a point or is that a zero that's just a zero because people saying it's a joke so it's a zero but he's correct he is being passive aggressive because he believes he should be the sorcerer supreme or is he saying the reason is because of the comics I'm sure that's the joke part I'm sure no that's the joke okay of course it's not the comics like that's can't be a real point although with cinema wins yeah like we know that but you know I wonder no like cinema wins can't be making a real point like oh yeah doctor strange in this film has read Marvel comics like that's obviously not a big thing what I'm saying too is like he why the reason why he's being this way I think he's just taking an opportunity to make a joke about it he's obviously I would have to say we must understand that he's highlighting this because it is true that strange is annoyed that he's not super as sorcerer supreme right now yeah I guess that that would be an accurate description of that's happening yeah I mean I think that's enough I should probably I'm fine with it there's gonna be people in the world especially because they don't watch all these movies that would be like why is he like annoyed at Wong he'd be like yeah because of this event in this previous thing and now they're properly representing that that's still something that's on his mind and if yeah and if anything I'm glad he is annoyed because it's so fucking weird the whole situation I'm inclined to give him one for that I'm saying zero's I'm saying zero's but it's it's true about the character it's true about the attitude and it's not explicit you have to put that together that'll be a one I feel like we're bound by the rules to say that's a one I'm glad to see his handling it with so much maturity y'all got baby gloves on we gave the same baby gloves to sins we were being nice to sins and I'm fine being nice to wins even though he's cringe and he really needs it I'm glad to see his handling it with so much maturity that's incredible it takes a confident man to know that your wife dated a superhero and still think that superhero is awesome who's finding a guy who's good with who he is Christine wait he's talking about the fucking giant tentacle monster I'm pretty sure yeah but he says that's awesome if anything his character should maybe be one of terror and concern for the yeah it doesn't really make much sense that's his reaction this is kind of a hit on his character actually yeah so what a strange way to give him water you're finding a guy who's good with who to know that your wife dated a superhero his self-assured enough that he thinks Dr. Strange is cool without interfering with I don't know his relationship with Christine the fact that she dated him he's still cool so the point is he's not insecure that's a praise of the film I guess that's true I don't know this is literally the first we've heard him speak so it's not connecting to anything else it's just that's just that is a fact about his personality now it's not really I can't figure out sorry I can't remember did the husband invite him to the wedding I think that wasn't it said that he likes Dr. Strange I think she said that he's a fan okay so there's a bit of connecting to you but the problem is just of all the things you kind of talked about yes that is the way you'd have to make this video you have to isolate every last piece that is of like cause and effect of another thing that's been established and ignore everything else around it because that's the question then for the writing then how much can we like account for that while also ignoring that he doesn't care about the destruction going on in his home I think that's got to account for something that he's not more concerned about the fact that this is a horrifying situation and is that enough to skew it into negative territory is that yeah cause Wins has taken the opportunity after this to compliment him on his characteristics instead of criticizing him which he should probably do I know that you can say these are different elements of his personality but the fact is that's what this character is this is what he's reacting with right now which is unusual you can see that guy there so the one actually both the guys on the left those are expressions that are much more accurate to the situation I would say they're like oh shit what the fuck it was a big ass monster right over there we should probably run away even the waitress is just like holy shit being especially disappointed with Christine cause she like face palms goes like there goes Doctor Strange again where it's like no Christine would be mortified she'd be like holy fuck people are gonna die also the chick to the left of Christine there like grasping her chest well yeah we'll be like yeah it's like that's like dramatic but yeah the question is where do we settle I'm on zero right now this is like an element of you're pointing out a thing but actually if you point out the thing and it goes the other way you've decided to bring this up and so if we really look at it um hmm it's split between zero and negative one clearly it's hard to say yeah it is hard to say I think if you wouldn't have said anything it would have been a zero of course but by saying things are confident man I know it your way I still think the superhero is awesome I mean maybe it's just it's one thing to say that maybe he shouldn't have this reaction to this peril that's happening in front of him to praise his character for doing it when he probably shouldn't is it just an admission but another angle could be that he is correct that this is a part of his personality and that's what informs this reaction however he's not acknowledging the fact that his reaction should be that of terror so it's like it might average out to a zero yeah that's what I'm thinking you're trying to use this as a point by the part you didn't mention yeah which is gonna happen a lot probably and even though I'm still leaning towards negative one maybe but I'll go with zero but yeah I think it yeah haha funny joke totally gloss over the floor negative one both of them made reference to portal only one of them got the analysis right right damn it yeah but what does that mean it annoyed me that she's aware she would have seen that yeah the stone blocks is cut out in the shape of a star she'd look at it and see that it glows there's always yeah like I feel like cause he's trying to say the conclusion at the end of the film that see she always was in control of the palace to some extent they were always there but like all it does is raise more questions it not only can she see the symbol happening but it makes a sound yep it goes all it does is identify something that goes completely ignored by her throughout the film what it could have been consequential if they talk about it more well it's negative one he's highlighted as a positive one the thing about it is I know why he did this this was set in the film for that exact reason it's supposed to be like see the power was always there but it's like yeah well you should have fucking shown it so that she didn't see it that has consequences if the power was always there and she realized the power was always there then she should have been using the power that was always there to be fair she wasn't looking she totally would have seen it I don't buy it at all you shouldn't have filmed it so that she's looking fucking right at it when she steps on it star shape cuts the stone she was always using her powers even when she didn't know yeah look yeah she's looking so the same monster to strange keep pieces of one monster to use as he pleases that is a stretch and a half I don't even I figured it was just another like set of monster arms like is it better or worse that it's just summoned things or parts of a demon that he's using isn't it the same well I mean you know Molo is that not the same neatness as the I thing no I'm I haven't talked about whether or not it's neat for either of those things I'm asking which of those is more neat the fact that it's just a spell or the fact that it's all from the same demon which is more neat I don't know where is he getting that is it but it is continuity for him to summon things it's also continuity to summon things from the same demon do you think it's possible then like sure I don't know why we would compliment one over the other I don't really know so then does that if that's a conclusion we come to is that not just neutral straight away well so this ultimately just strangers using spells I don't know the right like you sort of use different language to essentially get to the same point I think I'd probably give it to him if he was to be like look at the amazing effects on all the different spells he's using but I don't know about using spells just in general does maybe if he used it in clever ways and you point that out this is pretty straightforward he just grabs a thing and then pokes him in the eye right you know so probably zero seriously who directed oh dang the monster hands popped out his eyeball right it's right it's right Sam Raimi directed this that's what's the win there just zero he's correct Sam Raimi directed that's good yeah maybe I don't know love this first that they basically know nothing about spider-man after no way home and I know I'm well no you know no no he doesn't know he doesn't know Peter Parker's like specific he knows everything about spider-man yeah you god damn it oh please mr wins I want you to live up to your name and actually win something man these get crap for always having these types of jokes about superhero names but it's because superhero names are ridiculous maybe I I've never personally I never had a problem with like Batman or spider-man or iron man as like names I don't know it's never taken me out of a story ever we're in the multi-verse version of spider-man so America's not wrong for asking questions well no but that remember that was only part of your observation part of your observation is ah see that's a good continuity that dr strange doesn't the opposite understand or no so yeah that's negative one sorry if with the amount of clip you're showing that when let me let me guess oh Sam Raimi and they go back and forth going to take off 47 see this it feels grotesque the second time it feels comedic like prove it kid oh I'm dead I feels comedic I don't know what comedic it's just like oh shit here's an alternate version of me that died it's horrifying yeah I think that's a zero I'm just waiting like the tone of a scene I don't I certainly don't get the sense that it was supposed to be comedic I really don't I don't think that you're meant to laugh will you understand this movie without watching WandaVision probably should you nah it's great and I what's that mean should you watch WandaVision if anything should you what was the win was it was WandaVision being good the win well you have to listen to what he says right he can't just should you watch WandaVision it's like probably but do you it sounded like the win was WandaVision is good which would just be a zero yeah sure oh he said if the statement is WandaVision is good that'd be a negative one no it's a matter he said it's great negative one in my heart nah it's great actually what do we think does the film make more or less sense with WandaVision probably less with WandaVision I think because he's gonna be wondering why the hell aren't you talking about vision more when he was a pretty prominent part of WandaVision for starters yeah there's a lot of things to question once you watch WandaVision yeah so that edges the comment to a negative one but I think we'll just sell a lot of zero we sell a lot of zero I think that's fair yeah yeah I love that the shows and movies are so connected they're not connected they are not discontinuously they fuck each other up is what you actually mean to say yeah yeah yeah consume all content you plebs yeah that seems right so this is new school again right because it's not a negative one could you say in the the film makes more sense and works better with which it doesn't with WandaVision will you apply a negative one to the last one too or this is hard my brain people are very upset by the consume yeah I was not happy yeah we know that's a zero I know I hate it too but it's not a point yep someone said how is that a good thing if he was correct and that it all adds to the experience then I think that would be a fine comment you should watch the TV shows because they're great and then they add to this yeah yeah oh yeah we're gonna sell on zero then zero I'm sure I don't need to tell you not looking good for wins right now it's the zero but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it should we get the tape for the pants now or later oh we need the snooze oh I get it oh fun the mid headstroke cut to Wanda waking up and all the warmth and light being sucked out of the room it's a good transition yeah one point for that I was about to give him the point and then he said all the warmth and light gets sucked out of the room the good darker yeah I think he's just using weird language yeah he's saturated the image gets a little bit more saturated and darker which is true I actually think this is an awesome cut I like the cut yeah good one that's kind of funny there are compliments we give to this movie and it's like all the ones that we've given I hope he hits them because he's got us straight away with those we'll agree with you straight away with that Wanda waking up and all the warmth and light being sucked out of the room so is that one too does he got two for that and for the lighting did he give it to or was it just one is the lighting a part of the cut the cut's compliment comes in the form of the music getting cut out and the it's audio and it's lighting and cinematography which you could argue is a part of lighting is a part of cinematography but I think two is in there okay what do you guys think one's in okay but I don't know where we are since so do we give one or two points for these two things even though he only did one no he did two that's why some people say he did one headstroke Wanda waking up and all the warmth and light being sucked out of the room it was two not one sorry random chatter so that's two then well one one rather I think he's being overly generous to himself but he needs I think those things I think those things I think you need the second to have the first so to count it as two different points is not fair I'm not sure that's true they could have done the half of it or the other half of it you could theoretically do a different form of a cut you could not cut out the audio you could have it fade there's a lot of different decisions you could make lighting changes different from the transition to the next scene yeah you could have it so the light doesn't change or that it doesn't desaturate yeah given the choice between the archer with the mohawk or one of the most powerful I'm gonna definitely pause here this fucking scene cost me so many re-uploads really it's because Dr. Strange says this enormous sentence to be fair this and there's one other scene in this one taught me in future that if ever I've written in my script for a scene I'm starting to pay way more attention to how long exactly does that scene last I don't just put in whatever I want it's like no you have to actually help me in the editing bay in future so yeah this one it was a nightmare I always appreciate when they acknowledge things like this someone like Hulk is super powerful but sometimes you don't need Hulk smash sometimes you need Hulk sit this one out negative one well you gotta elaborate go for it so here's the problem literally anyone could help out with the situation they're not useless they're not worthless you kind of need them and it's gonna get even worse later on when they still don't call them in once this fucking because I'm with you I would have said a more reasonable direction to go as Wanda has recently done something really bad it's probably worthwhile to consider other options before going to her considering what happened in Wanda vision it's so insane because you might want to make the art some people did they were like this is a magic problem right those things were magic related they had runes on them they highlight this therefore they need they like witch magic therefore they need a witch and it's like you fucking went at it with chains and Wong went at it with a sword don't fucking tell me that you need magic users for it you tell me Spider-Man wouldn't be useful at all Hulk wouldn't be useful at all Ant-Man Giant-Man wouldn't be useful at all Smart Hulk as so they say I inclined to agree with the idea of the point that it's cool when they recognize like you know what I won't contact this person for this job because they are entirely unsuitable but that's not this so are we in negative one territory unfortunately I think I'd say this is a negative one because it's like it was a really bad call to make given all the information he had at the time it was a bad call yeah and what does he say the only bug themed heroes to help me with this one it's like oh yeah cool bug themed heroes like Ant-Man who was one of the most instrumental people would have been more useful than fucking Doctor Strange against Gargantos who had gone big grabbed him and ripped him in half exactly or Spider-Man as well it's like yeah he'll fuck him up all guys got some crazy arrows man he's got some crazy Iron Man he's a war themed superhero he's a metal themed superhero yeah like for War Machine he asked War Machine for help he would have destroyed that thing what are they going to do with a gun themed superhero I don't know Captain America with freedom themed superhero you're going to do that this is great this is the thing we said they're both going to show it and then one of them is going to say why the fuck did she fail this isn't it great that she failed this that's what it means I sort of hate the I didn't tell you their name review oh my god you can't keep this conversation really but the fact that Wanda says this excuses it for me now the heck says the easy part lying you were so close negative one you were so close this is a sketch yeah negative one okay you don't have to pass out wins like I don't know hot cross buns or whatever he could have just been like yeah I don't really like it I think it's too convenient but because she says she's that lying that is sufficient reason for her to fucking off it's not self fulfilling at all it's like I'm focusing on the hex you see I can't focus on whether or not I remember her name he was like oh god she doesn't like lying she doesn't like lying therefore she's bad at lying oh my god yeah but still a negative point well here's the thing I am a negative coo well I mean I don't like lying but I'm really good at it or am I you liar oh god I don't know are you satisfied with the character saying yeah I'm not good at lying and it's like ah see not good at lying negative one point even though it picks off the entire film conclusion she doesn't like lying oh yeah that's right yeah it's not even that she's bad at it it's that she doesn't like it so she's bad at it it's not so she's the second one you created them using magic that's what every mother does what an epic enough no you almost would have be like no strange means like actual magic yeah he means like crazy like little magic not the magic of child but like come on but but here's the thing he's complimenting her delivery not the line itself ooh you're right delivery is pretty good of a terrible line what does that mean actually I am inclined to give the point because she's pretty damn good throughout the whole movie Elizabeth Olson yeah she's ashamed that the writing is letting her down I'm not sure I described as epic and heart wrenching as opposed to she's clearly hiding a level of distraughtness like beneath it you could argue she's in denial that's what every mother does epic is a I wouldn't say epic heart wrenching heart wrenching is like 50-50 for me so here's the question here's the question if you point out like oh yeah the acting's good and then you deliberately ignore like the underlying logic behind the writing how does that level out I think it's fair to separate the two things the line quality and the delivery of the line hmm if so that's a how many times can you reverse oh god this one it's not the first time it's happened we've been blown away by their thing and then we think about it in a deeper way oh my god we're going to reverse all to one point well to be fair it's more of like a 0.5 because epic isn't really at all wow 0.2.1 is the acting so if we're going to make distinctions here do you think that there's a meaningful difference between the acting as a meta and the acting as like in universe how the character behaves so when we compliment the acting we're talking about the fact that the movie convinces you she feels a particular way so it's a compliment to the movie still yeah I'm I don't know I just have thought maybe I need to form more well an actor does a great job delivering a line that is fundamentally contradictory to the way that the character is that can still be a crisis acting at a criticism of the well this is the talent of a real person that we're talking about how does that relate to and does it justify giving a point if it's not in service to how the in universe character should be feeling or behaving in service to what is happening in that specific scene like I am a surgeon like he's pouring his heart out but it's cringe you know there are lots of different ways to break it down because another way would be like is she doing good acting in universe as a character right now that she feels a very particular and powerful way about this but she's trying to come across as though she's much more calm so that's like a compliment to the character and their choice to portray themselves this way but then there's also Elizabeth Olsen nailing that performance like Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder he's nailing a character that is nailing a particular portrayal of it, you know what I mean it can get complicated with the layers but I'm willing to just give this a point thank you yes big ol' inner reversal there epic her sacrifice would be for the greater good how can this be for the greater good the greater good also throwing ponytail strange's logic right back at him no it's not no it's not negative fucking one ponytail strange this is not the same logic wander is holding a fucking pistol to the whole world saying I won't pull the trigger if you give me what I want doctor strange ponytail strange was trying to kill someone to prevent that gun from being able to go off he's not firing it put this in the negative two territory no it's one point because we're talking about her and him and how he's mischaracterizing I think he's already gotten the negative points for the stuff he said about strange if this was the first we'd heard of this maybe yeah it's the negative one could we also give out a few points because we did say before when it's building on things that he said in stone already it's no longer like new information necessarily alright alright otherwise it'll be like a combo breaker where every time it's mentioned it'll be another negative point on top of whatever he's saying which is he's got no fucking chance to begin with yeah I fucking know I do it and I become the enemy that doesn't seem fair I'm more sympathetic to Wanda in this movie than most but I'm not sure that line is the dunce she thinks it is strange's rule breaking was to save existence oh wow so what about ponytail strange what about before how do you do this I guess he'd be saying because there's no kid involved in this one rule breaking aspect right of doing things that you're not supposed to do as a danger yeah but it seems like he's recognizing the difference relating to the destruction of the whole will which is why Defender Strange was doing it I mean yeah but I almost feel like he doesn't recognize that comparison you know he's talking about specifically a rule that was enforced by the sorcerers done through this with the time and then he does it I'm also going to try my best to ignore that and just be like this is fair in isolation this point is strong well because he's saying this he's about to give it a win for this Wanda's was in response to her own trauma and only benefited her I'm not even saying if strange was right but it's still a false equivalence does that give you negative we must interpret then that he's saying she's incorrect but it is something that she would say question mark why would she say that after the events of WandaVision I guess is what the would she say that after coming to realize that everything she did was wrong I happen to have it on good authority that she doesn't like lying therefore she must believe this okay that's true it's against to me is that she knows that she's full of shit but she's saying it as a best way to try and argue a way in which is why it wouldn't necessarily be a flaw but I'm pretty sure it is just her being fucking batshit insane in which case it would probably be a flaw the idea that she could ever be convinced in any way she would perform about that logic is insane so him saying that would be a but he gave it a win he gave it a win that's why I'm confused doesn't that like flip our system like we would have said he's right and given him a point but now that he's given it a win means it flips back it's like he's saying this is a good thing for the film it's like no in this case should we err on the side of the caution and just go zero what do you think chat anyone else oh is this like the little neutrality at the end of this rocky section of the video I don't even know it's just so dependent on how it warps in with the rest what I'm saying is we were going say he was right and give him a point right up until he said this was a win for the film which to me kind of defines it as a negative one at that point doesn't it it's gotta be a negative one if you're wrong about it if it's not accurate I thought we had done something like that earlier where he gave something a win that seemed confusing we just said like nothing well no because he said Doctor Strange shouldn't be doing this at a wedding but it can't but that is in character and so it was like okay so that is a win for the film um okay so when he states something that is a negative and then gives it a win then it's just what defaults a negative we have to assume he's saying this is in character for Wanda and I'm trying to say it's such a batch it's stupid perspective that the only way you can argue it is in characters that she's simply trying to convince Strange but why would he be convinced by that of course okay yeah all right negative one that's yeah it's hard to argue anything else but that's the thing about these videos is that they just say things and then ding sometimes they don't even oh it's not a win because that was a bad transition he only said was Remy so that's zero did he give a win though yeah but that was an observation win oh well then again that makes you wonder about the Wanda thing he's just observing she's wrong but then it's so fucking confusing he's making I think he's making a qualitative statement because he gives it a win right well loads of people did they said that transition was amazing I just find it fucking hilarious yeah but they're all wrong yeah you don't know about film or how to how to eat film you don't know how so still I'd settle on a zero I don't know I'm fine with zero let's grab our sticks um I'm inclined to say thumbs up yeah that's a yeah sure cool thing sure that like we're talking just to score the music no that well there's drums in universe and then they transition to being as part of the soundtrack that's kind of cool yeah uh yeah yeah yeah yeah to make it diegetic in a way yeah I'm fine with that sounds all right nifty little touch yeah why not the most is the whole common London you're talking green bull exciting stuff all around Minotaur I know I know live action rent trust pretty dope honestly he's just there he likes the bull guy so that's a zero yeah I need more than that yeah also just like this all that stupid shit about how we don't need a bug themed heroes but then simultaneously just have a bull guy yeah I'm okay with the bull guy I guess just sort of beat around no that's not my point I'm just saying that we're gonna bring in the bull guy like why should he be risked I guess cause he's a sorcerer if you're a sorcerer you're fucked you're just getting brought in blew a hole through the head of the man I left and it meant nothing yeah since strange gave Thanos the time stone I can imagine why she'd be a little extra peeved at him no she knows why they won the day man they ultimately won I know it was dumb as fuck but they won the day this is a post in game movie and let's not forget vision exists yeah vision is out there remember you can't bring up vision and yeah she may not doesn't she know about the memory but she definitely knows vision what exists she knows that he exists but I don't think she knows about the restored memory but she would know if she was to go and search for him and figure out what the fuck's going on with him like she would have found that out by now but yeah the Heldner grudge against strange for something that was completely out of his hands like at least as far as he was aware yeah it's not like he knows exactly what's even if he did though she must understand why or she really is she just that character this would be if Wanda just ignores the reality that like none of this would have happened if you if like vision essentially got what he wanted which was just destroy the stone now because remember it's like they destroyed the stone like gone to Wakanda and did all the battle and everything like Thanos couldn't have won at least as far as we were aware it seems like the time stone maybe he could have used that to reverse a bit more but honestly this scene is not as far as I'm concerned some kind of like recognition that she has a personal issue with strange it's more it comes across as she's just annoyed in general yeah it seemed like kind of a it was just her because wasn't it he said like I know that you like your life sucks and then she said that and then was like yeah you don't know shit about like sucking and it's like well I mean Dr. Strange has had plenty of our yeah yeah we highlight that he had to die potentially thousands of times to save the world which is pretty bad as the experiences go it's not a fun one I know killing your own loved one you know is this a negative a misread of the scene or do we think that this is a fair he does use the word imagine so he's not saying it's a fact okay is that is that the escape hatch yeah I guess so he's like he's saying that that's something that he's thinking about not necessarily in the film I guess but then he's gonna give it a win what I mean he just it's hard when he just says a thing that gives a win it's hard I don't know so what is this it's nothing or is this an apt observation and strange it sounds so I can imagine she's a little extra peak to him this is never referenced so other than when she like said you know the decision that you made was okay but the one that I make isn't like the implication there isn't that she thought what he did was immoral it's just that I should be able to do it too it should be allowed to do it yeah it's zero right yeah I mean I'm happy with zero I'll go with that too yeah run I mean you're gonna run I'm gonna run we're all gonna run if you hear you far away enemies voice speaking I might not even think about it I might just turn around and punch it this isn't what's going on though he's running because of some crazy like magic shit I thought it was mind control they're actually just saying run yeah some sort of suggestion of the you know thing yeah that's negative one cause mystery or no is it nothing is it nothing cause he's misbreeding what's happening cause it could just be it's the meme like yeah see you're gonna run yeah I guess it could be that yeah I don't know it's also good we're all gonna run if you hear your far away enemies voice speaking right into you I'm pretty sure she's fucking with the mentally it says steal your minds right cause they remember we had a problem it's basically a magic move but they have this big magic barrier that should do things but this goes through so there's two things one wong is explicit he's basically saying it's not about like don't run when she tells you to run guys stay he's like no steal your minds away from her control over them that's what he's saying secondly the claim that the claim that this is a joke and so it should just be a zero anyway maybe it's hard to tell with him he's like hmm hmm the safety there would be zero I guess yeah that's the safer position though everything in my body wants a negative one but I am I'm sick with zero for now I guess it's well it's not gonna change guys I think what if we settle here we're probably not gonna return to this one um that's not how age of ultron powers it's a loop it's different age of ultron powers isn't that how she's always used to powers I think uh well I guess what he's saying age of ultron was specifically like the mind control pot when they were in uh in South Africa right oh that's what I thought he just meant the CG the red lights and stuff if he means the mind control then I guess but I don't think it's quite the same right because with that and breathing that she also had to do like a pulse into their head but I guess maybe she's more powerful now and she can just do it without yeah I mean she is way more powerful yeah is that fair then it's a continuation from powers this is all one point this is all one point he didn't do a ding for this pot oh oh well wait that that does clear it up then because he's recognizing that it's mind control right oh okay so then it's just a one hour yeah that's a one plus and okay yeah congratulations mr. winds congratulations finally get to see how powerful Wanda actually is in a wide shot where she's taking out dozens we already fucking knew look at what she did to Thanos this this is one of those like you know characters breathing when she's been shown to breathe before which is pretty neat it's like that she was always as fucking powerful that she was scary alright yeah that's just a zero yeah in fact it's funny to me too because she's against such useless enemies what are they gonna do useless they're so man they had what are they gonna do against her they've shown us that they are useless to fit in like it's annoying they shouldn't be because of fucking whole screen's gone blue what's going on what have you got that's a you problem the use of the mirrorverse for example or mirror dimension or any of the more powerful spells just don't see them and it's like the films decided like she outclasses all of them sorcerers definitively it's like okay but you know it's like the films decided it goes this way and I just I don't buy it so it's almost was a really complicated compliment like look how powerful she is we already knew that but she shouldn't be this good against them but she is but it's I mean she would be against finally part lower level sorcerers actually is in a wide shot where she's taking out dozens of sorcerers at a time I don't you just get nothing for that nothing he just array me yeah nothing as much as I want to take away see that you want to freak someone out music boxes even the scarlet freaking witch who's about to do this gets freaked out was falling wait is that magic box he is indeed saying that Doctor Strange is playing a music box to freak her out I did not I did not get pretty sure that is just the soundtrack I don't think Doctor Strange is playing those sounds he would have to bring a music box to the mirror dimension and have it play even the scarlet freaking witch who's about what do we have to what do we do with this this seems an actor my dude the mirror dimension she's never been in it before right yeah that's it I mean it's the double you know the double element of surely it's being brought to this new dimension of mirrors that's going to freak you out more than a music box and also the music box is not diagetic it's the soundtrack it's not an actual music box playing in a mirror dimension surely no Doctor Strange little box in there and he wound it up this is wrong right is that negative one I think it's I think that's two wrongs and I think those out of one way too wrong so right there is no music box and she's not reacting to the music box is one or is it definitely definitely one I think they add up together I mean they're you know they're paired up and he's trying to say that it's a positive thing when he just flat out seems to have missed it identified it and there's no way she's freaking out about the music box when I mean look at this diagetic diag Jesus Christ nice yeah seems like people split on whether it would be negative two or one I think it's a negative one I think there's like the little pair just sort of in a bundle here makes it a two things that aren't very well I agree about to do this gets freaked out there's Wanda's reality bending power showing up I didn't even notice his slingy disappearing in theaters if you buy that she has reality bending powers then why the fuck didn't she pull out these cards way earlier disarming them of their greatest abilities don't you think that would be the first thing she'd do and then if she can do that what else can she do she did that while she was in the fucking mirror dimension dude I don't know like the compliments attempt here is she has reality bending powers and she used them good job but I just think that that has to ignore all the times that she's not using them and the nature of it being used here is kind of insane so I don't know if it's not a negative one I hate giving them so much but anyone hello I'm hurting I don't know I feel the life draining out of me feel a little empty just at this point I'm not asking how you guys feel whether or not this what's the question just pointing out that she uses them so just check this out I don't know if you've seen it there's Wanda's reality bending power showing up I didn't even notice his slingy disappearing in theaters but yeah full on okay so what's what's the problem so I'm positing is that negative one because it ignores all the that kind of power should be used in all kinds of ways way before this I mean we've had right if you're calling attention to like an aspect of the film and saying isn't that neat in isolation while ignoring the elephant in the room of why doesn't she use that power in a more substantial way well and is it viable that she use that while in the mirror universe the problem is like Wanda seems to it doesn't seem to do anything to her that's what they seem to do she gets stopped in there for a few seconds at least she does yeah but like this feels like we're all kind of are we branching beyond the scope of what he's saying here to like our criticisms of the film if you isolate him hardcore he's saying she has reality bending powers she manages to magic away his sling ring does that line up and it's like I don't think that can be highlighted without being like well why can't she just you know bind them why can't she make them unconscious I agree but I feel like we've not done this for some of his prior points I'm trying to I'm trying to make sure that we're being no that's fair if you can define when we might be able to figure out what our system is I mean I would be happy to count that as a negative I don't think that's that feels like you're ignoring a huge portion of the conversation to give like a minor praise I don't think that's oh I was thinking it was it was what we're trying to figure out about the husband right like how much do we need to consider the totality of what's going on in that moment we entered on zero with the logic that that is an aspect that's been continued on but it's not necessarily something that he should like in feeling in isolation more than just that it was the positive of I guess noticing a consistent character trait contrasted against the fundamental fact that like he should be reacting in a different way in this case I'd say the negative is way more substantial than the positive so I yeah I could go negative on this one all right negative one I am going to go that as well yes I don't think that you can you can't have your cake and eat it too in a kind of way you know you're going to have to you might have to pick up some of the baggage if you're going to try and count something as a win it was never going to reach a one something I'm going to get to zero at best but not even that yeah I was going to say he's counting it as a win so so full on nightmare stuff here positive out of the water is this another one of like you have to ignore the fact that that dude is standing on the one puddle that she can even move through the puddles to grab people and the other nature of the reflection easy simply saying getting sucked through a puddle is night bearish I mean I guess it is yeah I don't know that that's just there was nothing I think it's a zero yeah yeah yeah I'm happy with zero for this zero's good I'm fine with zero come on give us some more substance wins you can do it and this is some commitment she either cut herself on all the glass one more likely the sharp broken edges of the gong she forced her way through I don't know what's happening there I don't know that's true she broke her bones that one's complicated because it's like yeah it does look like she's seriously like injured herself basically clawing away out and like that as a detail is kind of interesting but then it's like what is the nature of her being able to survive this like yeah what does that mean just reassemble herself immediately as well it's like oh okay I guess that is the nature of her magic her magic is fucking nuts yeah yeah um but this was just again hey that's the thing that happened right that's why I'm not sure if I want to give that one to him we're just learning to troll if I die from that he'd be like she's a witch and then I'd be like what does that even mean I don't know can she be killed and like I think that gray area is enough to say this is probably a zero like it's a good observation in terms of a thing that happened but it ignores elements that are murky we have no idea how a power works so it's kind of complimenting it would be like complimenting the verb holes thing it's like okay you can compliment it in terms of setup and payoff but complimenting it in terms of biology it would be like well you I guess I don't know that's just how that works there's no reason to think it would work that way no verb is the best thing about that movie it's just like I said I think you can compliment the setup and payoff I just mean that it's saying like it makes sense that he would do that that creature it would be like does it I don't know does it make sense yeah and that's what I'm saying about this it's like does it make sense that she can do this it's like fucking I don't know I don't think he's saying that it makes sense I think he's just where it would have a point that's where he would get a point he's not getting a point because he's just saying that's what happened it's like does that I don't know okay yeah that is what happened I guess um okay I guess I'm just trying to figure out that I'm just thinking I'm just thinking about we gotta we gotta be nice and consistent here I guess yeah um yeah that okay sure if we could give that a zero loving these huge horns I know okay all right that's a zero I like the music that's a zero yeah all right tell us why huge horns I was looking at actual horns like there's no horns here the whole by the way that moment sounds like the low key theme um yeah loving these huge horns I know some people's eyes might glaze over actually that was it I thought he might make a okay that's fine the thing is is because of course to clarify if he like didn't tell how the music was like reinforcing whatever the tone was it's like oh well you know you've expanded on your point that'd be worth I think we make for a better video it would achieve the goal better too why what is the point of the video that just says I like this it would be more convincing to somebody who is on the fence right about like any given part of the film would help I would help the people who hate the film come around but it would also help the people who like the film they'd be like oh sweet yeah that is true about that that's cool this is why it's so neat and cool and there's actually layers I didn't know before oh wow it's in his name but sometimes he explains stuff he's like sin sometimes sometimes it does it's almost like they only ever explain it when they have something that they can explain when they don't know why a thing is good they just say it's good we're during sequences like this but I never get tired of them show me every single universe live in tribal heads be world dinos and comic and paint hydro world give me a show that covers every one of these please and thank you that's a weird prize of a sequence that I really like in that I could watch this all day this is way better praises to make of that scene he just said like I like that there's different worlds show me all about that that's that's that feels like you miss an opportunity because the obvious the prizes the cinematography is awesome it's a longer version of saying I like the horns it's just I like this place I like this place I like why couldn't you highlight why it's so incredibly interesting that they chose those ones or what they are yep and how they interact with each of those environments for the limited time that they're there fucking a lot of people say about cinema sins that the reason he's shit is he just says things that are happening but no one will ever say that if you do in the context of positive yeah it's just positive it's a pass positivity gets a pass annoying that's nothing that was nothing yeah always gets paid oh my gosh it's the true mysterious but also not sure how I'm going to use it but I'm stealing that line nothing nothing that's a zero that is true he was going to play Mysterio one point about three weeks and if it was anyone else I would be upset but I know Ash can handle it just get that man at you that's a negative one that's a real problem yeah the cinema sins is smashing you right now oh man it's okay for you to say that's kind of fucked up yeah I'm fucked up I love Dr. Strange's new badass character he doesn't take shit from anyone ding that could I could have seen that happening so we three it is just no reach around and all the black mirror tech but it's like good what what the memory store is good you think it's good they take shit from your head without your permission how could you think that's good hopefully display it to everyone it's not good it's bad negative one damn it man it's fine when it's someone else's deep memories it's so blatantly not a good thing it's bad you just get your memories out of your brain they managed to commercialize memory and in front of everybody with loud sounds the memory store is such an obvious fail it's so weird that people like miss on it so hard like oh this is cool it's like it's not cool it makes sense that young kids with intense superpowers really would cause some problems this is not the issue with the scene it makes sense that kids with superpowers would cause problems you're not wrong it's just you're missing a lot of surrounding context with convenience well yeah it was a dog step on a bee the primary criticism is that she has her portal activated by extreme pressures emotionally and apparently a bee landing on her was the first time she'd felt that and that's why it opens it up which doesn't really line up at all doesn't feel like it makes sense but he's broadened it out to a child with lots of power can lead to bad things I mean yeah but what do we do really bad things if you don't know what they are and don't know how to control them power can be bad is is that borderline well for a child yes but like it's a borderline where it's like I don't know if that's enough to say it's a point I don't think it's a point I feel like we need a little bit more than just when she was a kid she had the power and therefore bad things happened could you talk about the scene it has to be hard to come up with alternate universe fashion but I love the subtlety of 838 what do you mean the subtlety subtlety everyone is wearing the same colors that's not subtle little subtleties everyone wearing shades of black and white draws attention to the multicolored flowers that's a thing but like I know but like it's not subtle I know that everyone is wearing gray and white black everyone is wearing black and white so that's just not subtle isn't that bizarre and unfortunately he's really only highlighted what's happening he's not giving us anything for why or how you can draw something from it furthermore does this not call a tent why is nobody noticing the two people walking through with very bold colors they are arguably an eyesore potentially for the people here I mean it's not just the fashion, it's Doctor Strange look at that that's another big reason people should be like what the fuck Doctor Strange I thought you died man, so great to see you different this is all beyond the scope of his point all he said is you got black and white clothes it's contrasting against the colorful landscapes I guess it's an observation it's an observation well there's a lot of greenery I'm happy to sell on a zero for this I assume you guys this is a zero on not a one not a why would it be a one it's a true an accurate observation of what's happening it's not connected to anything though it's like saying Benedict Cumberbatch is on screen and I wouldn't say that their attire is subtle so I don't think that's accurate that's also true but you know what I think about the clothing it almost I'm not sure if they did something to it in post but some of the backs of the heads when you can't see their faces it looks like the hair has been grayed out as well for some of them like they forgot to not gray out the hair if they were doing something to it subtly and it's the longer I look at it the more it looks like a filter I'm going to come up with alternate universe fashion but I love the subtlety of 838 different configurations, weird scarf placements but everyone is wearing shades of black and white draws attention to the multicolored flowers and vergency everywhere it also seems like you can't be out in public without hats who has umbrellas do you don't get anything for that one? that's again like you go further than that so as far as I'm aware funnily enough I remember reading this somewhere the idea with this world is that they've they did this for the sake of like getting as many trees and plants growing in the world as possible to combat I guess whatever the fuck is going on in the world and that everyone has umbrellas and hats because there's sprinkler like artificial sprinklers constantly everywhere on certain timers that covers the whole world basically that's where I remember reading about like behind the whatever but obviously that's not in the movie at all you don't even see it rain in this fucking world I would just assume that hats are fashionable here and that you want to you know it's very very you want to wear a hat it's part of like your attire well so they all got umbrellas as well that's why that's happening they have it for in case of sprinkler in case of false rain it's something like I guess the Tony Stark of this world or something made like a giant false rain that can spray across you know I remember reading it somewhere that's going to be paraphrased but the thing is like he could have found out about that and talked about it but he just he just sort of went with the he was like I don't know isn't it neat that they have different stuff they could have gotten sprayed on and everyone else took out their umbrellas real quick and they were left without theirs yeah and it could be really confusing it could be like what wait or they could have designed the water to spray on the paths but on the plants it'd be very efficient for water if you weren't spraying so much of it they didn't even have it in the movies so I don't fucking know no they didn't talk anymore you blew it I wonder how many Lees blew it with other Julius nah none we've got game for ages I don't even know I don't even know what happened there is that him, Lee is missing him and his significant other I don't know anything about them I dive in hugging although strange what you got a point for that a point for hugging he shouldn't be so trusting of Mordo he's not that's okay for here because his reaction is okay like that's okay would you let this Mordo get like that close to you with I think if you're if we're operating under America's logic which is like don't you don't know anything plus based on yeah don't assume anything and also your version of Mordo not a guy you want to have next to you and you're very calm with him getting close to you and reaching around you like that like no it's a general correct statement that Dr. Strange should have been way more fucking careful interaction but he's just complimenting hugging it's a zero well it's if the compliment is the hugging and he shouldn't be doing the compliment is hugging in general he's like hugging oh hugging in general but not this hug not particularly this these two hugging for character reasons just hugging in general yeah exactly that's a little extra really you think he's referring to hugging in general yes definitely yes because he's about to talk about the character stuff after it okay really nails the didn't really think we were there as friends type hug I guess he does kind of like nail it as a performance so is that a one I think he's nailed the performance but I don't know if that's accurate to what Strange should be like we had this conversation with Wanda and we gave that a plus what conversation about performance we have to figure out whether or not he's talking about Strange or he's talking about Cumberbatch here although Strange really nails I didn't think we what does it mean for a character to nail a true feeling that they're having wouldn't that just be what the you know what I mean unless he's trying to come across as a particular way that he doesn't necessarily feel like Strange wouldn't be deliberately trying to come across as like distant right like why would he deliberately do that to this person he can't even see his face when he does it that's what I'm saying it has to be a performance thing you must mean you should have said although Cumberbatch really nails the I didn't think we were really friends yeah I agree with that but I think that's what he's gone for there so if it's an acting compliment which it's not the most difficult thing to nail it I guess okay yeah don't want to go from consciousness from there this is Sam Ramey Ramey transitions man Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey explanation point Ramey crossfades here can be stylish oh what a great bit of analysis see this is true film analysis is when you know film you just say Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey take choices oh perfect it could be the drugs but wait but like strange isn't seeing this no but I get this to mean just a joke oh wait oh wait it was he actually talking about the drums it was putting the sands of whatever yeah yeah he's saying this could be this could be representative of strange but like a lot of these visuals aren't even like things strange can see but oh but that would also be an accurate because he only got like dizzy when he stood up so that can't be it right that is true as well he doesn't seem to recognize any difference until he stands up be the drugs really man Ramey I don't think he's joking so this is one of the ones I would say I guess is a fair comment to have made but I don't think if you look at the references that it's accurate yeah this is a zero to me Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey Ramey and for me dripping off into a drug haze would definitely be accompanied by 90s jam band rock hey more monster okay nothing which is fun anyway but this time it's the point of view of a hero who's now a baddie that's what is so specifically it's the POV like shot that's that's what it is yeah I feel like there's nothing to dig there other than it's just that's what she is kind of weird too what is she hiding from when she's like spiritually not you know what I mean yeah now now I'm getting real confused didn't we give a point for the monster vision for Gargantos earlier did we yeah I think we did I think no I think help me out here chat did we or did we not I can't remember if we gave a point for that but I still wouldn't what I just I don't know if you heard but what I was saying is I don't even know that it makes sense here why is she hiding she's not it visible and it doesn't matter because the second she gets to her you can't stop someone from dream walking into you that's like the whole thing yeah apparently the answer is uh yes sorry I do think that the monster vision on Gargantos would be more worthy of a point than this than this because this is incongruent with like what is actually I have no idea why and it's not it's not a special vision it just looks like a camera you know I mean like there's nothing I'm confused I don't know anymore but there's more to complement with Gargantos because there's actual special effects involved too Ray me monster vision which is always fun anyway but this time it's the point of view of a hero this is silly to me I know we all have tiktok filters that can do this always also zero or is that a negative one no it's zero right zero okay zero but nope that's still gonna haunt my dreams especially with the way the champagne remains still why you gotta be addicted to your own self Wanda you're being addicted to your own self it's a cool shot he said it's a cool shot yeah he said it's creepy which I think I can agree with as well like it's done well especially because it's like a happy thing and then it turns straight to just staring almost neutrally at you which is kind of creepy but I think we can give him that yeah yeah he gets a point for pointing out it's creepy wow he got a point for pointing out that Gargantos was angry and so he gets a point for that he gets a point for pointing out that animators work to show expressions on a CG monster which I think is good yeah well this is the same work right so well yeah and I think that's fair as well I would even give him a point for saying the fidelity of the C in the mug I don't know what he's about to say but like there's a lot of things you can say to compliment it that he won't because he's just trying to fulfill enough time to make a video and that's kind of the nature of all of this is to see how well they represent the film both of them man I just love the tempest in a teapot shot teacup there is a tempest in me seagulls and ocean sounds to go along why but where are the seagulls are they tiny that's fine is the wind blowing over us as it goes over the sea it doesn't it's all it's all mind fuck right so you there's any justification it's fine it's just that I think he comes so close to getting a point there but then he doesn't make it like he just says what it is he says he likes it and doesn't really expand on why and then kind of relies on you also liking it to do the work for him yeah there's no reason behind it here's why I like it compliment it I'd be like what's about to happen to her or is happening to her is so mind fucky that it's like combining a lot of how she understands different things and that she's associated like teawater with the sea and it's like put it in there almost a stretch of her own imagination and the her brain falling apart or not being able to have complete control like there's something there that could be said to be like complimentary to not just the fact that it's a strange visual there's something in the narrative that can match it but he's not going anywhere near it he's just saying I like it mm-hmm Arr matey and ocean sounds to go along fourth wall of strands losing the scarlet which is look me in the eyes they're both zeros you didn't do anything you didn't have to elaborate on that point so you get nothing it wouldn't be what's funny because both of them did that they both said she looked at the camera sin win yeah okay it's just yes you notice that she looked at the camera yeah I mean how is this not the same shit no one I'm sorry my sin is that that bottle by the by the sink the spout is facing away from the sink well it might I understand what he's saying but it could have been the last person to use it picked it up to use it and then put it back without realizing they had faced it the wrong way they picked it up so I'm trying to picked up a whole bottle to use some people do that that's okay you can live your life the left-handed it would be like a comfortable way it's okay I've seen people do it I've seen it happen it's fucking crazy this throws all those kitchens a mess but man that that that's shampoo that's not I don't know why I say shampoo but it's probably not shampoo but that that hand lotion thing facing away I was like what happens to get it to face away like that it just seems so strange like it would just sit there and you just tap tap on the top and obviously the spout's facing towards you so it's awful yes sweetheart like I said you'll find me to be a Wanda Apologist in this one and I love how I know why yeah because Elizabeth Olsen is a really good actress and she's really hot that's why like a lot of people felt that way I don't disagree I don't disagree I'm not a Wanda Apologist I'm just like Elizabeth Olsen is a really good actress yes Elizabeth Olsen fights with herself here she's not fighting with herself there's no fight she's making a choice about whether or not she wants to like just have fun with the kids right now oh as opposed to okay okay so I agree with the acting compliment yeah that's a point if you just spend the whole video every scene of his saying she's doing good acting we might be able to be Olsen's amazing I would go as far as saying she's one of the greatest actresses out there right now if she, if we just had cinema wins say that she's a good actress here and here and here and here and here like ding ding ding ding would that like count? can you just do that over and over and over? he's not gonna do that if he did maybe we would have to well and what I would say as a counter is like I do think that we should probably give multiple points instead of just her acting is good throughout like individual good moments like um when she's like losing it in the finale well that's probably one of the best parts in the film for her acting that I'd want to give a compliment to as well and I'm hoping he does Cobb and Inception where all he wants to see is his kids faces but knows they aren't real so we refrains in this case well wait no that's not real I was wondering this is real and this is what she wants yes the conflict is as you already said it's the she can like every second she doesn't go and secure her position in this world can be spent with these guys but she she shouldn't she needs to go that's the conflict even when you win you lose so yeah that's a bit I mean he complimented the acting which is totally fair but he's kind of got this bit just want to know she has some crappy stuff to do still and you can almost see her telling herself okay I'm just gonna murder a few people murder and steal the power from that girl and then I get to be their mom but before that I gotta do which girl she is either way her trauma is deep I feel like he's off the mark a little bit it's that she needs to go but she loves spending time with these two but he's saying it's that she's realizing that she has to be a bad person in order to be the person she wants to be which is ultimately no that's not in it no because the way that the character is done in this point in the film is that you're all wrong I'm right and you're all able to give me what I want but you refuse to because you're assholes like and I'm gonna kill you for it she's not like crying as she kills people which gets confusing because she tries to spare the fantastic whatever they are the group the Illuminati we promise to be careful for copyright be good I take it back though that song makes me think she should just bail that's a joke so zero that's a joke ain't nothing we can do with having a joke brutal yeah okay you're definitely not wrong about the brutality another sick match cut that one's way better yeah that one's better than the one yeah it's continuous too it keeps going so yeah that's a point you got it ooh and this time as her connection fades the match cut slips out of alignment dang um yeah yeah I think you got an extra point for that one it's something that's just barely anyone will notice so good job do more of that more of that I don't know if I would have made that video it's not the same thing that's definitely a different detail yeah senior fellow with the Baxter Foundation okay I know Reed is about to show up but if you're a nerd and didn't have the cameo spoiled that Baxter Foundation name drop would have set off some mind players it's meta the win if you know it's a little bit of setup ahead of time right if we gave it the one division little note thing then referencing Baxter like it before you talk about uh I think that's fair it's just nothing for the movie because it's relying on um is it well it is relying on meta but it is set up ahead of time I guess if it's like information that you find out later well I'm trying to think of how this would be fantastic for movie later on you've got the Baxter building or something it's like oh yes see yeah yeah like in multiverse of madness can you retroactively make it into more of a thing that's a tough one it is a tough one isn't it trying to figure out if that's just meta really or if it should count as a bit of foreshadowing kind of I mean you'd only like could you does that have any value if you aren't aware of the meta I think it's something that could be something that's a neat detail if they pay it off later on but as it stands in this moment in time it really is on the meta I'm inclined to go zero on it yeah okay all right all right where are we to each other in this universe not sure why he wants to know especially since he's so happy honestly love that he wears it on his sleeve what I'm inclined to give a point for that give him a point it's an observation that's like in character right with strange yeah it's the he's clearly desperate for Christine because I want to try and get that away yeah yeah I'm fine with that yeah I agree give him a point awesome at first it just seems like a wide shot of Wendigoer but then we see those tiny glowing specks of Wanda and Wong to give us some perspective of the scale of the temple it's big yeah I'll give you that one I think that's enough to give him a point that's enough for me I think you did I think you did sufficient like work there yeah I think so look at how I don't agree but I'm fine if you go want to give him a point well what would you disagree why do you disagree I feel it's to surface level it is compared to how them how they're small right but he's appealing to the framing right of like you spin the camera around you're taking the castle yeah like your brain might assume it's a particular size and then you see them you're like holy fuck that thing is huge yeah wouldn't that the problem of how this hasn't been noticed before if he's praising how big it is it has been noticed before the sorcerer is considered like a forbidden area to go to right well the rest of the world can't speak to that that's like a separate clue that's beyond the scope of the point that he's making here if it were the case that everyone knew about this thing in the universe and this was still the first time we saw it would still be valid as a point of it's mainly talking about the way that it's framed okay which I think deserves a point I still don't think it's point worthy but I don't think that being like it it might not be as big as you you might have thought it wasn't as big as it was but then when you look at it for a little bit longer you see how it is relative to people and it's maybe bigger than you thought it was if you assumed it was smaller I just don't see that there's a lot when do you think you would so why do we why do we like the opening shot from a new hope like why do we like that one so much do you reckon right with the Star Destroyer chase chase I think that was a good choice because that's kind of the same thing yeah well you see a little you see a ship and it's like oh it's a pretty big ship and then it just keeps going well I think one of the thing that's like it shows the power differential between the empire and the rebels I agree like the impossibility of them escaping how they're being I guess I don't get that from this scene I've been going for the same things like the big castle I guess I just don't see the what about it is literally an attempt to do a comparison of why one works and why one doesn't I don't know I guess to me it just the castle revelation of scale is the connection in Star Wars we learn the empire is powerful and that they stand little chance here we understand this building is likely ancient and full of power as well I mean look at I guess it's big yeah almost golden big I just I don't really I just doesn't work for me I don't quite I just don't see it that way I suppose Wander is small it'll be Wander isn't small when we connected to things it's not they're identical Fring's not saying this is a spaceship you have to go a little bit more this shot is as good as the one in Star Wars calm down I thought it was fucking obvious it's something that's presented as a particular size and then it's revealed to be much larger than you thought which changes your perspective about what this is specifically framing like cinematography yeah god damn if anything you wouldn't say I don't like this movie at all they know we hate it you wouldn't conclude Wander is small Wander is powerful look how fucking enormous this thing is I absolutely think that's valid how is that not valid I don't understand that castle is not a ship wait why is that yeah I know they're not scale applies to more things than ships no oh you should be considered great but it's definitely something it's a trick of the way the camera focused around he pointed it out and he didn't have to point absolutely I failed to understand any argument that would counter that it might be small arguably but it's still absolutely a point at first it just seems he did the thing we all wanted to do he said it was good that he explained why it was good because it does something more than simply presenting the castle come on what's going on help help me understand if anyone needs it said me and Fringy both believe the new hope opening shot is better there's more to draw from it of course it's better and him saying it's awesome you can say that he's being hyperbolic but that doesn't really change the validity of the point you know and to be fair he's probably more accurate than not if he's going with what the actual definition is this thing is awe inspiring even if it doesn't really inspire much awe we don't give a shit because of what it just doesn't mean anything like ultimately this thing gets destroyed this movie but yeah you know that's not that's gotten zero relevance to the work of the camera and the work of the design of the building that's all the writers fucking faults of wasting all this stuff the whole point of the system is if it's accurate and reasonable like if it's accurate and fair you got a point it is accurate the watch was on the wrong desk you got a point for that what's up Gargantos was shocked when the bus split apart it was like a really small like one second detail but that got a point and that gets a point in this play I'm very confused it's like a watch on Wendigoer but then we see those tiny glowing specks of Wanda and Wong to give us some perspective of the scale of the temple crew cinema wins Wong goes from ready to fight in a split second I mean I guess he you're describing that he's using a sword shields to swords why doesn't he keep one as a shield and one as a sword I don't know he's ready to fight they feel like this is a zero it's just like yep he quickly transitions from shield to sword this is nothing I don't know why we would think anything else why wouldn't he do that he's ready to fight sorcerers do have the shield moves that's the thing it does feel like it's more on the level of they need to go over there and they started walking there because they can walk yeah and what a walk it's a deep because this would be a real are we the baddies moment for just about anyone else well if he's possessed by the darkhold then that wouldn't well the darkhold is destroyed now that's the problem hold on I don't want to get into all that are we the baddies she only has that moment right at the end what can even zero question mark it is a zero question mark I can't gain anything from that it's so confusing this isn't a toad it's like Wanda standing on her own dress so strange seeing a statue to another version of himself had to be weird seeing a statue of yourself in your own world in an evil throne room created for you with your kids at your side yeah I'd be able to you can only ignore the signs for so long I'd be evil too no I wouldn't I think so but the joke is the joke is that this is incredibly overwhelming in terms of like prophecy and that you may as well just follow it at this point but I'm sure he's joking I don't think he actually means that he's just yeah I don't know this is zero I guess as quick as what you wanted and see what happens Ultron is still a jerk in 838 Aaron, Carl Mordo the sorcerer is super this is zero Carl? Captain Carter there's no arc yeah I'm trying to think of anything you can draw out of that just he's interested in the fact that his first name is Carl in his own universe I guess it's just not enough besides he didn't say anything other than it's a question, it's a fair question okay apparently Haley Atwell is ageless which works well when you're playing Cap Black Agar, that gets you nothing yeah even if you were to say Haley Atwell is just pretty you'd be like oh but yeah that show was not great but it's awesome to let Anson Mount attempt it do a cinema win yeah you gotta do a cinema win on the humans tv show do it you coward it could still be good even if it's not great even if it's not great that's true he'll have to focus exclusively on Anson Mount's facial acting so let Anson Mount attempt to do justice to the character good thing you said attempt good job was it his attempt or was he just doomed now we got a chance I like him for like the three seconds he was there he's character had the best writing in the film though yeah the best dialogue read Richards the definition of fan service and I've got zero complaints really that's a problem I've got one or two I have one or two zero complaints zero complaints as of like the two seconds that we've seen of him I don't know if he means right now but if he means just right now I guess we'll find out I assume we'll find out you've got zero complaints you've also got zero complaints yeah we've got about full zeroes right now zeroes all around wait what you guys talk in the 60s and he says kind of so it's just the reference it's not anything joke to you there was a guy with a fork on his head so yeah a little bit again fair what do you mean you don't know shit about him you don't know anything about the guy it's a symbol also he should be taking this very seriously it is weird that he's not because you want to make a good impression with these people they have all the power you work with a fucking minor tool dude that's very true I know I'm a gym fan but the 90s cartoon X-Men theme and that version of his yellow wheelchair he's very cumbersome okay it's what he said here because all he said is hell yeah X-Men theme is that different I think that's different this feels very key jangly like there's nothing else he said yeah I remember the one with Wanda like that was better than this right I agree this is just look it's the guy and this is the theme of the thing he's from well yeah the Wanda one relates to storytelling this one yeah this is matter pretty much matter yeah there's nothing else here and he could have tried to draw something else here but he didn't well what could you draw what could you possibly draw like I said he could have tried he could try yeah there's a cure for every illness a solution to every problem yeah okay zero points last one could also be considered a lawnmower mom we're on a big zero streak right now yeah we are oh boy that's not what I want this really is the boogie wings fight that one line is also an interesting glimpse into her psyche this whole time she keeps claiming it's not the kids it's a baffling one you just want your kids to go to a fucking universe where their mom's dead yeah this doesn't work so you don't mention vision you keep not mentioning vision when you talk about things you want yeah how to break cause by trauma what do we do with that I think that's a negative one I would say so too he's had an interesting look into her psyche it's confusing it's a baffling is that not enough honesty I love this freeze frame by the way um the problem is the other options but I mean the zero I guess it's zero extreme honesty what does that mean zero zero wind we're doing it's a place we're just falling oh that's neat the wind blew over the dominoes oh my god you did it it's the comeback it's the comeback time let's do it come on you can see the blades coming from the professor's head just like in the cartoons back to mezzo better better hero oh but this one might be a buff um yeah yeah I'm happy to give that a plus I'm conceding but it should be counted as a negative that he didn't have his surgical scars in the opening fight I do agree with that but it's fine I'm just petty I'm sorry but also I'd like to see this story these absolute masters went to tighten all together and he's imponed Thanos while barely even changing the planet barely even changing the planet I can't tell it looks pretty damaged it could be no damage or full maybe just one the thing is that the Book of Vashanti should have made it so the insta-win right kind of I wish Thanos was dead in all of his minions I guess if this is on Titan what the thing is they didn't draw moon that time Book of Vashanti yeah that's not fair oh wow it's just a smooth transition alright no add yet if anything that's a negative one yes he's just like forgot what happened to him provided them with the insta-win mechanic he's like oh wow they took him on with even less heroes that's another stupid thing to say you can have eight heroes and then you can have on the other side you can just have god what's gonna fucking matter are they superman vs. eight like spider-man I don't know if the spider-man are gonna win mm-hmm built a statue world needs heroes first hint that maybe this Illuminati doesn't know what they're talking about no the compliment there is like the doc strange is realizing that he wasn't the good hero that he wants to be in this universe turns out the reality is he fucked up I loved that bit where he says you built a statue he's like how could it possibly be that I wasn't like I thought I was a hero the first instance that the Illuminati doesn't know what they're talking about real heroes might make sense statues to folks who commit genocide not so much fuck me they don't know in the fucking they didn't know the people who are gonna see the statue like everyone who isn't the Illuminati doesn't know that's not why strange didn't even know strange is realizing that an alternate version of himself failed he feels partially responsible that's why he's tearing up built a statue it's a really good small thing that happens on Benedict Cumberbatch's part I've always liked that delivery world needs heroes first hint that maybe this Illuminati doesn't know what they're talking about and that's actually like not a bad idea like the world can remember him as a hero which by the way was always his intention he never wanted to hurt anyone he did everything he did to try and save the world it was an unfortunate side who the fuck knew the by dream walking you would destroy an entire who knows these things nobody no one knew it until they made it up for this movie exactly it could have been that it wasn't a rule at all so this is a negative one it has to be he's totally misunderstood the character's reaction and I don't like this whole statues to folks who commit genocide the guy allowed himself to be murdered in case it would have any negative effects on his own universe as a result of something that he's trying to do to save the universe this is what I mean like he was a hero absolutely 100% he's like the most heroic person in the whole movie like if anything he's too heroic this Jane theory just mentioned there's so many statues on the planet currently that go toward people that aren't perfect and I know you're gonna be like aren't perfect committing genocide well that's pretty fucking dumb to refer to it as committing genocide it kind of ignores all the context doesn't it and then it doesn't account for any of the good things that he did yeah yeah it isn't fair he just flat out isn't fair he was the reason they defeated Thanos and he gave his life in order to possibly prevent the potential of destroying his own universe what else is he supposed to do die oh wait what do we want him to do die literally that already happens also two genocides do you, does it require intent I don't but to be a genocide I think so it does require intent right genocide defined as the deliberate killing of a large number of people oh yeah because a homicide wouldn't be isn't just someone dying right it needs to be it's very specific genocide is defined and it includes violent attacks with a specific intent to destroy in whole or in part a nation ethnic racial or religious group yeah so if you accidentally like introduce a sickness or something like that or something along those lines and yeah I'm not sure what word you would give to what he did but it's not genocide yeah um I guess omniside is closer but even that implies intent it's just the accidental destruction of a universe I mean it's yeah the negative one I would say so, absolutely yeah um I would give the point if that's true it's hard to check it is a lot of different angles to keep track of all at once I think it's matching I'm just having a little look around it looks like it is yeah I think I'm willing to give the point for that yeah close enough and as far as I can tell this continuity is flawless just because someone stumbles and loses their way please don't just say it to any other man please give me more than that I'm begging you I get my zero gun ready well if that isn't the most professor Xavier thing to say pew zero he said it he said it we are inclined to give a negative one here because of the the reality is the next there's no way you should say this this Doctor Strange hasn't stumbled he hasn't done anything wrong he hasn't done anything wrong oh yeah that makes it even worse this one hasn't stumbled the one that did quote unquote stumble if you even want to call it that is like you didn't give him a second chance when he did everything right so yeah this is kind of a fuck you sort of thing yeah negative one I think it's negative one oh come on if you were desperate you could be like not only does that look cool but she's making sure to nuke like every last form of the security she can find just in case for example it could have a self destruct or it could record blah blah blah just get rid of everything she's on a rampage yeah you could try something anything yeah zero in a nice cheap with the Ultron oil to give her a real carry look and stay PG-13 I don't know if that's what they were going for they just battled 50-50 I don't know I give this a point because it is a clever way to get what looks to be a bloodstained character in your lower level movie rating wise I think that's where the compliment yeah I think so it's like again he has to stick with superficialities he really does because it's the only way he's getting points a lot of blood does some blood in PG-13 but if you've got a lot of blood it's you know like when Drax is inside the alien creature at the beginning of the audience like it's all yellow, there's yellow flash and yellow blood like if that was all red and guts that look resemble human ish ones familiarity with organs or earthly animals that would get you in some trouble you've got to be careful because that looks too scary I think it's very quite because in Halo the blood of the Covenant people have like when you die or when Marines die there's blood but obviously in Halo the aliens have glowy sort of plenty of red blood as long as it's in the form of say all the wounds they have at the end of Civil War that's fine to keep that but yeah if you had someone get their you know half their body chops and he's like oh it's too much and so a lot of the time they'll have aliens with blue blood, green blood whatever and whatever it's a person they'll have blood coming out of their nose or like a cut on their forehead like it's never too bad yeah but Dust Till Dawn had vampires with green blood just so they could get away with more I'm not sure I think that movie might still be R rated but it was to avoid getting like an NC-17 a great example in the reverse is how shit it can be when for example a girl gets her neck slid open in Black Panther and there's no blood not even red I don't think awkward as shit when a lot of the blood effects look clearly CGI and fake when people get shot, water, smoke or dust will come out of them at the back they'll get shot and it's like there's no blood because yeah Avengers almost got an R because of Colson getting impaled they had to really edit that down compared to what it was the first time you watch this movie it seems pretty baller however oh wait it's funny because they land with so much swagger and confidence they're all about to get just absolutely wrecked okay so you get a negative for that one because you're meant to think this is cool and you're like isn't it a plus that like they're actually feeble and worthless I think you get a negative for that one and I don't know what you're saying I think he's apprehentious it's like if the gun had five bullets it shoots four and it's out isn't that interesting that he thought there were more in there like what that sure is interesting yeah that's just he's coping there's gonna be a lot of cope at this point oh yeah yes there will be someone left to raise them you just got I was pausing actually for um for copyright take the hint go home to Jessica Alba no because if he went home every time a villain was like I'm gonna get you then like he wouldn't be a hero he wouldn't be much of a hero would he honestly compliment I would have gone with was that was kind of an interesting way to threaten him from wonder and the performance of top notch again she's selling the like stone face like I will fucking kill you like sort of thing but instead he went with you got dunked on yeah he dunked on play queen yeah it doesn't I guess I would give a zero because he's not wrong that it's a it's a dunk I don't know like but um it's so like you're not giving us anything you're not saying anything and you can you can talk about the character motivations here oh god here we go what's he gonna say I don't think Wanda is just a matrix stand at this point first the glass portal and now the mouth then hey you should go watch my resurrections videos because no just stay away from resurrections no that's almost like a negative one for whining well it's it's no it's just zero because it's a reference matrix it's a zero if you did oh okay he didn't do he didn't try to think about the headache blood okay that was wise that was wise yeah you need to get past this part as fast as possible yep oh Remy that's a gruesome ding this is a jaw on the floor moment at least it was for me in theaters you bring in all these characters no they just fucking hated this shit he sloshed them with prejudice this is not me rooting for and it's not me laughing what what are we doing I think he's again repeating the point of like look how amazing and powerful they looked and look how much they got annihilated yeah right that's not good though well it's all because they retarded everybody on the internet has come around to this position now there's no one left everybody agrees on the telegram like telegram about the mouth thing like everybody agrees at this point it's over it's a stupid as fuck scene every one of them shouldn't be here and shouldn't be in these positions if they're that thick like it's just that that obvious so let me fix we gave a negative one last time so it was a negative one again yeah I'll give a negative one for that one if he feels it's worth bringing up twice we have had a long streak of either negative ones or zeros this is yeah not surprised this now if you remember the sit of a sins said this was fucking cringe and just moved on which was the correct take he just didn't get any points for it what are we gonna get here I could do this all day always a great line but we now know that he does eventually always a great time all day no what are you gonna say about this so bisection shadowing oh wow okay wow so the logic cool is that uh even cap eventually gives up so that kind of foreshadows that she will not be able to do it all day I wonder that's because I guess that's a joke so it's a zero but what the fuck yeah that's all you got man come on zero gross and wonder gross oh all righty almost seems surprised that she sliced her in half just a note of regret there she definitely knew well yes she for some reason she's only Peggy that gets given a chance uh additionally to the group chance to leave she says how many have enough she gives her a chance to I don't know why she gives more of a chance to Peggy than anyone else but of Peggy since she had a relationship with Steve as if that's a reason to give her a break I don't even know that Steve would have told Wanda all about Peggy would it would same person this is a different universe maybe and yeah that's true too and that these are all human beings anyway yep like there were people exactly is it like oh well that's Peggy so it would be worse if I chopped her in half like whoopsie so what is that one then that's a um I mean fuck that's like a tangled web isn't it it is towards the negative though this video is bad I don't know what to give it it's uh I don't know either I really haven't inclined to negative one on this one negative one from me he's just making shit up yeah but we knew he'd have to doesn't check it let's not check out oh oh sorry she just like okay again it shouldn't be possible and yeah no what what he's about to say something here right about that was a joke now he's about to say something more substantive he doesn't understand how simple killing the others was for Wanda as being pretty strong saying stuff louder oh my god oh damn alright so you actually like all the way back to like big wrong about this it's so funny because he's gonna say like Captain Marvel's really strong it's like why can't she just fucking stop her heart if she can just turn her mouth off why black ball is supposed to be one of those powerful creatures in existence right isn't he supposed to be super super powerful if you were to speak of full volume he'd shatter the planet that's the kind of power you can speak loud or making your fingers nice and dismissive of uh good old Mr. Fantastic and everything he can do not exactly top tier powers read Richard's um read Richard's that's one of the fucking best powers with how it works it's amazing it's super OP a lot of people don't even know how OP it is well it's super strength he gets remember in the movie when he like does the super stretch over the uh the London eye like that's I find super interesting is the stretchy brain and as much as that sounds like bullshit it's the his brain could be expanded yeah like he's the most intelligent for a reason it's to do with yeah this sucks ass so fucking much this is so post-talk like if she just insta-killed Captain Marvel if she'd insta-killed Captain Marvel in a different order than all of this and Mr. Fantastic was the last one he'd probably be like well you have to understand Captain Marvel she could go fast and punch things she has laser beams I guess this guy could talk loud Captain America just fast but Mr. Fantastic though this is the this is the ship that annoys me right it's like yeah I'm the super positive guy and then it's like wow these are some pretty reductive statements on like yeah I mean this is lame for what to defend this crap movie but Rambo is pretty dang powerful in the comics so while she was in the comics you could just say she would be powerful in the fucking film we're here we're here we're doing powerful things and also she's Captain Marvel equivalent so yes obviously you don't need the comics to say that but similarly the others are fucking powerful well you don't need the comics to know that either the only one so far that gave Wanda any kind of fight the fact that it still only took about 30 seconds really should let us know how much of another level Wanda is on I don't know about that like Captain Marvel vs Wanda I don't know that Wanda wins I don't think Wanda should have won she shouldn't have beaten Professor X either I don't see how like how come Captain Marvel didn't just laser beam her Light speed, light speed she can't react fast enough to do that but then there's also just he says this like it made sense like dropping a fucking statue a dense object being dropped on top of Captain Marvel's top tier what do you mean? when Captain Marvel flew through Thanos' space ship she flew through a statue that was thrown at her earlier so this is this is negative 2 for sure negative 2? I think we gotta go further oh my god he just rattled off he just rattled off several points about how like so many wrong things oh my god oh boogie's in the corner now the pants have fallen down they have fallen get the tape metal there it is oh wait he's about to do the absorbed Captain Marvel a power that has no basis at all why can't she that's why I'm not a power out of people wait the mask is not her power that's just something she's wearing fucking hell that's the excuse people try to run but it's nothing why is it that Scarlet Witch can absorb cosmic power I thought we respected the difference she's a magic person she's a witchcraft person, she's not cosmic so why do we respect that difference anymore why is that thrown out now and why is it that Captain Marvel can't suck the Scarlet Witch's power who said that this was how it works how it works and if you look he says like she dominates Scarlet Witch looks like she's absolutely smashed by this fight she's limping around since we made rules of only sticking to the negative 2 at maximum I'm happy to just say that but my god in spirit that's like a negative 5 oh that's that's generous all of existence is being torn down around him as his friends die in horrific ways and he thinks voting is gonna make sense well I guess we know Mordor's a democrat what the fuck I think we can just gloss over whatever that was just Mordor Mordor is retarded in the scene exactly it's like yeah that's Mordor just don't even fucking know what's going on what's that is that negative 1 because it's just highland something really stupid in the movie they're trying to make a joke out of it it's like you're desperate mate we are we just skipped shut up just hurry up move on shut the fuck up let's get past it dang that was a mission impossible 2 level close 1 although this is of course a 0 because again it's just a reference yeah it was close twins you gotta hurry man that meme is becoming all too real I didn't know how much I wanted to see Benedict Cumberbatch and Chewie Attale Edgey a 4 fight in powerless hand to hand combat again isn't this so interesting it's the second thing but he said it was bad there is a compliment to be made he could have made the reverse of what Sins did but all he said was I like seeing them fight yeah he could have made a better argument which is of course what it looked like what does it look like when they're stripped of their abilities and what does it look like when one of them knows the terrain and the other one doesn't yeah that's super interesting but it's just like yeah I like it so 0 points 0 again oh no it's time don't do it what do they say he's making a matrix reference 0 again I'm seeing red that's the part you're not gonna show your kids because of what that's the reason you won't show this to your kids I don't fucking 0 0 0 Rami Rami Rami Rami there's part of me that says I can't believe you brought Xavier back just to kill him again and then there's the other part of me that says Sir Patrick Stewart is always a win why do you kill the part of your brain that works why yeah why do you do that do you not wonder why that part of you says that are you not curious why does a part of me think that it's better to win than sins off mutilation it's better to do wins than sins why would you focus on that thing we were right there bad that's what this feels like every time it's not it's not 0 I guess is it I guess though it's a win that Patrick Stewart is here which we've said is already just a 0 and him coming back for this little part shows why he's always a win you just gave the negative because you made one point into two points is a way to kind of turn it into a negative one because he started saying they brought him back just to kill him but it is Patrick Stewart and it is Patrick Stewart here which is like you just said him being here was a bad thing it was a bad use of him but now you say it was a good use of him so I think it is a negative one yeah negative one sorry you shouldn't have told us how you really felt at the beginning there I was wondering if Cinnabar Winston was going to pull a clutch victory by just pointing out these tiny little details you started talking about the film more significantly she fixed him and she clearly did it with a 3A Strange's cloak which is a little weird like getting a hand transplant from your mirror vs. Evil twin as if any of us understand anything about how any of that works I'm going to give him a point for noticing that the cloak is the same color as that universe's cloak how the fuck do you fix a magic cloak don't know don't care we'll just move on it's going to be so frustrating a immensely powerful sorcerer held captive by handcuffs that get turned off by a Subaru key fob well I mean that was something we designed to counteract magic well I guess isn't that the same as being like a big powerful bodybuilder is killed by a collection of metal like in his head or something it's just like well I mean yeah that's just the tech that's that's what it is I don't know everything hurts he's annoyed that it got a remote that's a zero surely yep zero oh Rami this one's Rami oh Rami I'll give you one for the shot actually Cardigan really explained the shot I don't know if I want to go we did say like him highlighting a shot exists sometimes it's gotta give us give us a why like he did with the the match cuts like give us a why it's meaningful is it enough that you say it evokes the slasher movies of of old it's a slasher killer POV well not POV just shot it's like he's almost he's almost there that's not why it's good I would probably offer like that her being out of focus makes it come across a lot more like demonic and uncertain she's scarier when she's out of focus maybe it's from the maybe from the point of view of strange in everybody like she'd be blurry because it's the idea of her that's chasing them they're not actually looking at her so she's a bit less defined and not as visual or something yeah something like that what are we thinking zero one or negative well it wouldn't be negative one it's just more zero to me it's just too descriptive and not there's no explanation here really it's just like this is what the shot is she's out of focus and then she's in focus like come on why is that good though why is it useful what is it doing I think I can see it on the edge but it's definitely zero yeah is it possessed by the fist to herself and inappropriate reaction got the same one for me in theaters really okay all right but it's appropriate she screamed at the I mean it's appropriate in universe for sure but I don't know if that's how far we go with this is that with a point she screams when acts like a human being it's funny if he had complimented it for the acting we're probably able to give it but the idea that he's complimenting that the character would be afraid in this scenario and she represented that uh I don't know that's just I think that's zero isn't it it sounds like it's zero to me oh wins let me work with something man we haven't had a win in ages oh no wait we have one we have one right it could be better and if you're wondering what the slow-mo groups were about it was just alerting us to what strange his next move might be um that's kind of interesting because it is very noticeable on that shot and it's not in other shots I think the argument would be that that's would have been part of how he clued into what his plan would be rather than it's telling us what his plan is like I would have rather complimented it saying that he came to the conclusion relatively because there's dripping and it's like oh shit we're beneath it all right I can use that the idea that it's a clue to us about what's going to happen next and what his plan is I don't know hmm it's something but is it enough the to imply that this is what's going to happen next I don't know the underground Subaru kind of look you're like water dripping from above I don't know just give him a point where we are like in the film right now and especially these last few like how many minutes of just consistent negatives or nothing it's just like he doesn't talk much about what's actually like the character stuff that's going on in this film does he especially Doctor Strange which I can understand why it's because it's really hard to latch on to any one through line because there's so many but I'm just noticing how like little of the character is being discussed here everyone is asking for a pity point I'm inclined to give him a pity point he's so far behind yeah we can give him yeah alright he can catch up though he's got sure if all of them are bangers from now on anything is possible he can do it the value that all strangers place on all Christians will get you cinema sins have the correct analysis here which is that that's crap that shouldn't be how it should work we got an infinite fucking you strangers who don't care about an infinite negative one and there's an infinite amount of strangers who don't even know about Christians existence those two characters don't even know about each other in an infinite amount of possibilities shitting my ball book I don't think he'll do it I don't think he has the balls to do it and it's almost too fast to catch but it does that's America's star on the page strange needs America I'm sorry whoa what just happened I'm so confused okay and it's almost too fast to catch but it does I think it's because he said alright give me what I need and then the book like opens up on a page with a star on it that doesn't to me I don't think that doesn't mean it doesn't require a protect America spell he has defeat scarlet witch spell oh but but remember the point of the film is that defeating a scarlet witch is just getting America a shot as to someone could try and spin some bullshit destroying the book was the books plan or something it was a star yeah I mean was there a picture of Thanos when it was I was actually going to say do the pages change based on the user maybe if you ask the book for something does the book like read you mind and give you what you need is that like I guess that's got to how it works so the star would be a star for Wanda too right I don't know but what's the star that's what I'm saying if no that's what I'm saying would it have a star for Wanda as well if she was going to use it maybe like if she asked about it and then it's if Wanda got the book if she what could she do with it yeah what could she do that's the great irony of all of this if she had known what that book was we wouldn't have a problem she would just take it use it and everything would be fine which is interesting like you come with some strange crazy book and it's just done before she even did she ever learn what it was even for ever there were a lot of context for a star being on a page by the way not just America Chavez it doesn't even make I guess cause she makes stars when she has a star on her jacket and she makes stars when she opens portals I don't know this there's not much connecting this for me I don't there's a star there sure and it might be intentional on the creators but I don't see much substance in the writing for it like but he noticed it so what is that worth I would probably opt for 0.5 and that would round up to 1 okay so 1 point alright yeah sure it's a shame that he has to miss you know everything surrounding it to point out a star I was going to say I thankfully avoided everything else also look at that star he's surrounded but that's a shit he's but like he is surrounded do you think the book would have a better star maybe it's folded or it's blowing in the wind oh my god guys yeah what do you mean I pointed it out page it's folding the fact that you even got it wrong at the first place I'm not going to get something wrong on a fucking static image you kidding me no you're not absolutely I am that's a page it's not in motion you flumbers I know it's not in motion but like you know that this is a moving picture yes because I would never expect him to make a mistake I don't know I think that wouldn't the bottom right point be like warp 2 in the same way if this page was bent it is definitely that the page is do you think it's like a flippy looking star yeah I think it might be a flippy looking star okay so we gotta play it then and then rags will be still in the chair I don't know it wouldn't change anything if it were he's saying it could be that's what I said look at that you see just to be clear what's my position the star does look flippy it is it looks flippy right there yeah the argument is that the star looks flippy because like that is the way that the star actually looks on the page not that the page we see it it looks flimpy when it's just laying there it looks like a flimpy star okay okay now we need to rewind now the arguments become even more interesting let's look at the America's star on the page how was that look at it that's a normal look at that it looks pretty flimpy it does look how big the top one is compared to the bottom left in the left one rags is actually right you're clearly flimpy it is so clearly flimpy wait a minute absolutely look at the top yeah look at the tail of the side they're really tidy yeah yeah look at this rags L oh my god yeah right it's rags double gear I agree it's a rags double gear from the jaws of victory I snatched victory yeah so it's a rags double gear I agree that's a flimpy looking star I can identify shapes it's one of my many powers my god I know a flippy star when I see one what an incredible ock that's crazy it's flimpeness is only if anything the bending of the page might make it even more normal I mean it looks better here when it's all bent because it's the book of the shanty is drawn by hand see this Wanda actually cares about her kids wait so what do you think about wait so what is your conclusion then about Wanda's perspective right so I guess he does realise then that Wanda's fucking nuts Wanda actually does care about her kids but evil Wanda does evil well in her own weird fucked up way but no but she does she also cares about a bunch of she's also insane you know what I mean it's there it's definitely there I'm not sure what to make of that I don't know what's he trying to say see this Wanda actually cares about her kids what she always did what do you mean I really don't get what he's trying to say this is the ultimate view about Wanda the Wanda yeah but what's the actually is this like when people say main Wanda doesn't that's what he means but main Wanda definitely does she's just insane she does all of them do so does that mean that he is that's a negative then he's got it wrong well yeah I would say so because I've talked about this before it's a pet peeve of mine when people say actually and then refer to something that's expected some people say good some people say yeah but the owl crazy wonder it doesn't have any actual kids and it's like I don't think that's what he's saying actually cares not actual kids so I don't get it yet to say that I don't I don't get the I don't see the actually they all of the Wanda's care about the kids even the main Wanda that we have that doesn't have the kids she the idea of the kids and wanting to be with those other kids he clearly cares about them a great deal it's causing her immense yeah so yeah I think it's a negative one words are important in what you say actually like I I feel like he did this deliberately but I don't know what he's trying to say because it couldn't possibly be that evil Wanda doesn't care about kids because she does of course she does that's like the whole point of the movie it's what pulls her away from ultimate evil is the realization that she's causing more damage than she's you know evolving or whatever but I okay delta 88 uncle Ben's car well I don't know it's just reference zero nothing to draw from that it's one of those like it's neat but why would uncle Ben's car be here why not rags you big it I thought that the Sam Raimi references that this is the car from evil dead well it could be both well I don't know I'm sure that shows up as well I can't remember if that is uncle Ben's car I have to check like that seems like the reference you'd want to go so I like this shot and it does show the scale yeah you got a point I got a point excellent come back I'm back to hang in a movie filled with cool shots this is an extremely cool shot and ominous stairwell to seemingly nowhere completely disconnected from what we know is reality yeah you got that one I think I'll give him a yeah I guess I want more but I think that's good enough take it take the points just on it's reality on it's reader I mean look at me do you want to be emo too nothing as zero you had two ones there just saying yeah we were here probably me I know the eye is creepy but how about those pointy spark eyebrows you got nothing for that what are you playing the pointy spark eyebrows are creepy or I think he's just having fun I guess zero oh no that's different oh yeah fine if the argument would be like he's using them as a weapon therefore they've been sharpened and they kind of resemble weaponry I'll give him a sympathy pick it is a compliment of the special effects people yeah it's a good job they don't look like lilo in stitch notes yeah it's really inventive that's the point it's inventive inventive I don't know if it's inventive maybe somewhat it's probably the closest thing to complimenting this scene that you can get yeah I kind of want to give it to him for that avoiding everything else like the notes are sharp when they fly at him and that it's creative he takes notes off a page and then throws them at someone I guess that's I have no idea what any of it means but you're sure it's something that makes you go oh look at that look at that you get a point maybe back to two can you get a three streak he has done it before I think he had a three it's gonna be tough talking about this scene I gotta say yeah he's had one three streak before can he get it again defense like a bow staff that's a what was it like a bow staff you get a joke there so you blow it oh I'm sorry they're not staff staff defense is there a like a pun there yeah that's what it is that's the staff all the lines I just don't quite buy like why do you say bow staff because a bow because a bow is like the thing the staff is called the bow it's kinda like what people pointed out he ruined it by explaining it it's like he could have just could have left it I don't understand how it's like it's this thing it's just the only thing that connects it is the word staff like this is a zero okay I was just sort of waiting for a conclusion so I'm sure there we go strange prime got shattered into multiple echo selves damn zero right yeah is that a music thing I feel like there is a compliment to be made but he didn't catch it I don't think I'm not even sure what I would say is the common it's probably to do more so with the special effects of it rather than I don't know what you would argue is happening storytelling wise it's hit by the magical staff and then that turns them into echoes for a moment and I don't see it's just nothing dubstep electro is so jealous this is how you music fight complete with Bach vs Beethoven nothing again oh win just cringe winny winny I'm struggling to find anything that I could say is worthwhile about that it's just nothing I'm surprised he didn't say Ray me yet the sound design score here is amazing not since Scott defeated a failed vegan has it been this good and if you were unclear how dangerous the musical notes are watch the little table there's something I wish he had said more about the sound design he said it's good but he didn't really elaborate is it with anything that the table disintegrates the close of the ball matter gets to it that's that's something because part of me is like well isn't it implied that that thing is dangerous isn't that like what we already know but that disintegrates the table if you see the effect of the danger I guess it's true to say that well the plus one here would be like the dissonance and the score is reflective of the visual of all the music notes getting rammed together without any sort of matter that's what would be the plus that's what would be to say if you wanted to get a point like that like a visual representation of the music and how they go together the tables with something though I'll give them the table I guess because it's in the middle of the frame but I guess your eyes are like he's trying to pull it back okay he knows he's trying to get in here yeah and what an insane ending to the battle why was the harp note a nuke no clue who cares oh who cares wait wait wait wait what if it's a single clashing note the whole thing was clashing the whole thing was clashing so I'm leaning on negative one because his explanation was not intuitive based on what we saw it's so strange I hate the who cares thing because he would likely argue with many other portions that something being incongruent is a problem like he would whenever he's willing to highlight something like that but here he was like I don't think this makes any sense whatever it's just like why even fucking highlight if that's all you've got to say and then like the whole clashing note thing that's nothing the whole thing is clashing but he's throwing notes at him and he blocks it and they all clash like it's who cares why not care please care please appropriate reaction yeah what becomes of it nothing we don't give points for that right no point woman reacts as she would react to that plenty of MCU characters who I wouldn't even blink one is not one of those characters but that's him knowing that he should be dead but he's not yeah I don't know that's close to a negative one right because that exact same thing was just going to get out but what's in the set about that was just he should be dead in multiple ways and then moved on and we get a point for that because he was correct so do we have to give the inverse a negative I think so this is highlighting that he probably should be dead but he's glad he's not because he likes one I yeah then we got to go negative one I think for the sake of fairness we we've got to go negative one more perfect line delivery I guess yeah this is good delivery you know yeah come a bundle doing well yeah I don't yeah I don't think it's good enough to get like you a point though yeah I feel like if we're going to be highlighting good delivery we really should be saving it for like the best we gotta have a high tier high bar for delivery and acting yeah it feels like a zero it's a zero I feel like a very big zero yes the true zombie moment he does care what do you mean what do you mean he doesn't care is he a good actor or does he not care I'm not sure what he means but he doesn't care he's not chewing up the scenery he's like giving a shit perfect line delivery I think it's like he's not self-conscious he's just getting fully into it that is honestly the sign of the best actors when they don't have an ego so they can let us go this I would argue is probably appropriate slash was directed this way I don't know doesn't even care does he maybe trying to say he doesn't care about how he looks he's going for it yeah in that case um you know yeah but no one looks at I don't think people see at him you know him in his mocap suit doing smile glines on the floor and says wow he doesn't even care it is really weird to put it that way like oh he doesn't give a fuck but like if people say that in a positive way I I'm gonna get zero because it's a little confusing with his wording and how he means it and I think that I'm fine to agree yes the true zombie moment a true zombie that was a big ball of nothing this is zero true zombie moment a true zero moment zombie horns Danny Elfman truly stands alone I don't know what zombie horns I don't know what zombie horns zombie horns he's gonna get not the thing you want he looks like he's straight up dead please please make ash williams part of the MCU reference reference you're just never gonna get tired of monster vision fish eye and the expressions on christine space um that's nothing is it it's like how he reacted to the third eye opening up is like yeah that's that's what so this is complimenting the shot he's trying like he's saying this gives you a sense of maybe the POV gives you a sense of the monster just something but wait the monster it's just like vision that's the thing is I don't think this is as creative as gargantoss anyway with the fish eye and the expressions on christine it would be funny if all the skeleton saw was like maybe semi-translucent like the demon sees her skeleton and sees through her or something he sees her heart beating or something yeah it doesn't feel like a lot just a camera I'm gonna say zero on this one it's really nothing he doesn't really say anything he just said it's monster vision which he only knows that because it's the monster like the vision there's nothing else that tells you that teen space you're telling me all strange needed to take out geiselius was a flame he's referencing the first film where strange picked that up and threw it at geiselius but that's because he didn't know how it worked he didn't know what it was I mean even if strange had a flame he wouldn't I don't know that he would have done this I don't know he doesn't know how it works so probably yeah so I don't know what to do with this the negative one because it's like not respecting what was happening but then again it's about a different movie I don't know anymore probably zero yeah zero seems safe go back to hell it's corny it's corny it's corny it's corny is crap but Eddie mutton would love that moment stranger things reference stranger things reference yeah that's the thing I know it's strange fucking hell mate we're just zero zero zero zero zero zero zero look it's wog look it's rabie look it's that character screaming look it's monster vision look there's some jingly keys can you say something please please don't just say ramy I beg you that is awesome badass good is he is he good cause it's dark cold zombies whatever badass strange guy at least he didn't say ramy he just said he's cool it's gonna be the very next thing yeah he's had something like fucking 12 zeros in a row right now alright I just stepped out for two minutes yeah he's just fat and full of zero all he keeps saying is this is cool this is cool this is this actress this is this actor this is from ramy this is this this is it's just nothing the machine got a neutrality Christine's reaction yeah it's cheesy it's real cheesy and strange is trying to be tough and cool and he is but your number one can always see through it and knows when you're being cringe that's uh zero for that first one that was a gymnast that's zero yeah your wife knows you're super cringe with these videos even if they're your number one from another universe yeah there's another just a zero again I guess top of the zero give me something something modern horror movies have lost is the normie voice for damn souls bring back the normie voices that wasn't a normie voice it was just like a high pitch I'm confused what does it mean by normie voice ow that's a is that normie I don't know it's zero explain normie please okay it's not a normie voice it's a voice yeah normie's going I'm an allurean yeah it was surrounded by water hey it's so hard to make of what's happening he's gotta talk about character now come on I understand pretend to self-sacrifice from America well so why what do you think do you think that that involves killing a kid my dude you would want to kill a kid now would you no it's just expand on this what do you what do you think about America saying this it's just a positive character trait to give yourself up in order for the greater good that's pretty much all he said it's not really anything that's not connecting anything to anything the way you would compliment it is she's come to learn this across the film through the events she suffered like that that would be a compliment to the writing right now all he said is she's gonna sacrifice herself but yeah that's what she said and after he's just shat all over defender strain to the beginning you would think that this is what validate you gonna get that out of him and yeah you just see if he got anything else trust your power and while this is absolutely a turning point for strange that I want to talk about more in the conclusion I love that he can't stop zombie twitching as he delivers this very heartfelt encouragement so I'm willing to give a point on the performance from of a bash like when he's doing character stuff and he has to continuously do the zombie acting I think that's yeah yeah did I mention that benny cummer doesn't even care it I'm assuming he must mean he doesn't care how he looks he's willing to go for it there must be what he's saying but I'm not yeah I know we just did a compliment to his acting we're not gonna spam him okay let's just calm down on that one did we do this the whole video okay negative one thousand four it's a zero aren't we just because it's a bad joke doesn't mean that you yeah you know I can't beat you well that's some ingenuity and I truly love that it's not ingenuity she could have won she could have won she didn't push her into moose to far that was her obvious win yep yeah come on I mean she seems pretty strong right um what I will say I'm willing I think I'm willing to give a point in isolation to the concept of this this being a way to stop her presenting her like horrors in front of her children it's like yeah that's that's a little work it's just there's a couple of things that get in this way so the good old life for most kids what's with America in that shock you see that uh I don't see her like half of her is gone oh yeah it's like oh okay he's doing it he's doing it yeah oh I see yeah it's a tough one for me because like it's an idea and it's one that would work it's just there's so many other characters motivations and decisions that everyone makes to get here that are stupid but you know what I mean it's like what do we think would we give a point for the fact that this was a this was a plan to defeat Wanda that does have viability um yeah I mean I guess so if you're taking a total vacuum I'll give him a pity point why not knowing how powerful Wanda is to do this and hope that it turns her heart in the right direction is an insane risk to knock her into moose to fall for sure so I don't I don't think I could give her credit for using this as a plan like it works but like like close my eyes uh score the game winning goal yeah even snow white is the 38 version with a different color dress yeah that's neat how come it's working is that meta would that be more than that um oh I think that's a good white well known enough that it almost is uh it's like I guess you're appealing to something that's beyond the scope of the film but it's like a neat detail yeah it's a neat detail well known is that considered similar not in the same but similar to the whole like Elizabeth Halston's eyes Dargantos's eye yeah um I think that one's different because you couldn't know that right yeah but in this one you could see snow white and you're like oh she's wearing the same muted colors as the rest of the people in this universe have because in the original she's got like a blue okay yeah I think you can give a look for that however you think about how come her kids get to wear color and no one else shut up I would never hurt anyone I'm not a monster monster says what nice dude uh you play that scene and you don't go like what a what an inspiring and haunting delivery she gave for having to play this retarded character what a great performance Elizabeth you're really trying it's so amazing to me because we know these actors have no fucking clue what's going on and yet they can do that with the material you know what I mean skill and ability feel for there's pretty much nothing I wouldn't do for my kids and the idea of losing them is something my would you kill a kid because I can't believe this shit man it's so stupid like the anyone who kills a kid is fucking immoral in my book but I would do anything for my kids the kids of the entire fucking world the kids of the entire fucking multiverse my kids like including killing a kid to save all of the kids she's just an asshole she's insane and she doesn't make any sense at all it's so annoying to give her the pass of she's doing this for her children she doesn't have any stop it's like all the characters keep putting out to her and then she fucking attacks her Elizabeth Wilson doesn't have any kids but the pain she's showing here is right on the money no what you mean is the actress is doing an incredible job but the character isn't right yeah let's not conflate these two points yes her performance here is very very very good but like the character is just very very very bad absolutely bad these children in this room are interchangeable with all the other ones she could have stolen so I don't know why like she could just flip in flip the channel essentially if she wants to to put everything back to normal this is why this payoff just doesn't fucking work as if it was like her kids being afraid of her that changes everything when she magic them up she created them and their perception of her it's also fucked and like not considered tangible the pain of being seen as a monster in your and maybe another woman's kid's eyes yeah and I love that as well the implications that all the horrors that she's done throughout this whole movie just never fazed her but it was her kids seeing the horrors that really did it like as if she thought that the kids would be chill with that dude getting disintegrated at karmatage yes she just never considered how kids might feel about all of these things not dr. strange mr. fantastic getting turned into spaghetti you think she's the kind of character at this point especially with the dark holds effects and stuff that she would probably demand like you children you don't understand I'm doing this all for you they forced me although like cope it would never stop coping right like that's the kind of character she is and then when they're like no you're horrible and scary she's like fuck this universe I'll get a new one this was shit the reality it's pretty simple this film made a big mistake with wonder they're probably not going to be able to recover from they wanted her to be the villain and they thought that they had something like grasping at straws for like any motivation to make her one which is interesting when like wonder has aspects of like these big failings right ultron like that was that's on her to some extent yeah it's obviously it's on it's on Tony right it's on Bruce but it's on her there was all of the happenings in Civil War and like the decisions you made there you can even say that there's something to be said about like her wanting to vision was like okay with dying she refused to let that happen and so did the team and that was a big like thing that enabled Thanos to win essentially was that they were unwilling to they were unwilling to sacrifice vision there's like plenty of things to latch on to but it was like the weird wonder vision like fake kids thing was the angle that they went with and like now it's it's yeah like the characters in a place where it's like damn man salvaging her it's gonna be really tough and uh I think I also been sort of thinking of you go ahead you go ahead I'll be quick I swear the the realization that destroys the whole movie several times over in and among other multiversal infinite blah blah blah things is that like so wonder what do you truly want she's like I want to be with my children but every children I find has a mother that I have to get rid of it's like there's infinite worlds baby just go for the one where she falls into a fucking garbage disposal and get in there you'll be fine exactly but no we have to pretend there's again sins highlighted this wins avoids it because you have to avoid it for anything to win yeah I think it's a bit of a bit weird how her kids in these real universes look exactly like her fake kids that she conjured up in her head and the implication we're supposed to draw is that she drew from the multiverse when she did that when she created them she's drawing from something that existed kicks the can down the road though doesn't it right because all of the all of the versions you know like how she does the illusion to show different universes the same I don't want to even attempt to find a way to defend it because it's so broken and stupid but I guess what an implication could be is that she's drawn from one splinter like one big timeline of where those kids are her kids then she's looking at millions of splinters of that unless of course and I think this would be the correct interpretation the film is going for no no wonder gets those particular kids and basically all universes it's great and it's just like you have no understanding of how any of this would work there'll be daughters contrast sharply with in spider-man they're all Peter Parker but they're all different age and they look different and they've had different fucking lives and they've had different lives exactly and they have different powers a more mature way of doing the multiverse this is cringe this mega cringe kids eyes the paylizing that you have to sacrifice yourself and what you need for them it all hits her like a freight train wait what is she sacrificing sacrificing for who she's sacrificing herself to get them out of a situation she created for them pretty much and remember she can just wipe this go to a different one there's no sacrifice the idea that she's like no these two kids particularly it's like shut up absolutely shut up there's so many there are better universes than this for her as we've gone over so as far as I'm concerned that's a big negative one he's not addressing like how any of the mechanics function he's just totally avoiding the elephant in the room and he's avoiding it no it could go people oh boy it's just a silly comic book movie why do my eyes burn so much I suck you didn't elaborate or expand on that you don't get anything for that yeah that was good yeah I'm zero I have to close it and if you think this turn was fast that's just what happens when your kids are involved fuck off her kids were always involved but also not always involved because they're not her kids didn't stop her earlier it's so fucking insane there is still nothing stopping her remember we talked about this America could just open a portal to the perfect world where she just died and her kids need a mother just send her to that one but you can't do that just like you can't have her join any world permanently because it causes incursions this is another thing you completely forgot Mr. Waldron when you made this payoff you had no idea what you were doing I stick to that rule going no they can't it limits all the stories you can tell it's fucked I don't know how I'd really like to see Wanda getting her super happy ending with no consequences after all the shit that she did it's not if America just gave her the oh no be with your kids and everything's great I'd be like well hold on a minute here I don't know how much I don't think I like this I'm certainly not highlighting what should have happened it's just that there's this easy solution to kill everything you just could have done that but never mind he's shown up said hi America can you use your powers to take me to a universe where my kids are alive or I got some kids and my version of died in there and I'll use my magic to make up an explanation or whatever could you do that for me? thanks awesome bye did she explode or magic her little self right out of there she's fine there's no win there yeah nothing certainly not if she actually comes back you're asking what happened and saying it's a win we'd have to call that a zero the closest you could get to a point is that he's highlighted something that you might miss but I just don't think that's enough you need more nobody misses that right surely I don't think many people would have missed it but there's going to be people like that oh there is a little red thing it's too bad though gotta be one hell of an incursion nice she's talking about them incursioning zero zero if your lady refers to your love life as incursions I don't know man I love you every universe no it's a lie though it's not wrong it's not correct I'm actually half tempted to say that's a negative one that's just a respect and it's not good if it's true that's bad you love her in every universe you love the her that kills people you love the her that's a psycho you love the her that hates you destroy it everything is possible unconditional love is bad that's true there's no point because the cow guy is alive well the bull I guess bull guy is alive I'm glad he's okay not every sorcerer is dead I guess I hope that he's getting some counseling after getting tortured by Wanda though yeah watching all of his friends fucking get vaporized I hope that they have a magic spell yeah it's lucky that he's alive honestly it is a long job but him saying he's alive what do we do with that zero it's just a zero it's a zero it's like saying oh look I was curious if you guys wanted to go with negative one because it's not highlighted like the horrors but you know it's just he's alive yeah I'm also glad he's alive yeah that's a zero the dimension hopping sorcerer sounds tight no it doesn't sound as fucking horrific and I never want to see your face again it's another zero sometimes I wonder about my other lives and I remain gonna pause for copyright boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop we should do that no that's fucking shit it was one of the most basic resolutions of the yeah it is a resolution of that idea I don't agree with what he's saying that we should do that be like think about all of your alternate first off how is that supposed to help me like if I've got a shitty life and things are going bad for me and I watch this movie and I hear Wong saying what am I supposed to do think about all of the ways things could have been and been like well I'm this way it's funny right because this movie came out not too far away from everything ever all at once which tackles the subject of how should you feel about your not lived lives your paths not taken to be fair that film is like basically all about that while this one is not but it's still cringe that this one's like you know what the conclusion is okay it's fine whereas everything that's far more sophisticated and nuanced perspective on all of it oh yeah they spent time on it this probably is zero there's something happening here but all you've said we should do what Wong said that's it you could you could have made a point here no Wong rules but also respect Wong is shit I don't hate Wong I like Wong a lot I don't like anyone in the MCU I guess at this point except for maybe Spider-Man and yeah and uh well I sort of a pending just see what happens there there's some like nebula I'd still I'm Rocket Craglin yeah we're already into like your sharing characters Cosmo we're talking about Craglin Cosmo like they're okay I like them Wong was in She-Ho and he was terrible John Walker John Walker indeed Zemo of course Zemo was risen to like the top 5 oh no oh no well I got you through listen we did how many like 8 hours or something on Guardian 3 don't give it a listen if you want to know what we think you're not going to like it 8 hours we're complaining about length right yeah they gotta say short man bad as soon as we have this stream so the thing about this is that it's a payoff for that thing earlier in the film but he's not highlighting that he's just saying respect 0 well isn't the point that he's highlighting that I'd be like I don't think that's good enough I need more than that should there's something poetic about Strange fixing his watch without magic that makes it a solid way of putting the past behind him and moving on well if anything wouldn't it make more sense to use his magic kind of in the same vein as he moved on from being a surgeon who does use his hands that's actually honestly what I was thinking negative 1 the mechanical aspect I want to try and be as fair as possible here I thought that was okay it's analysis we don't get any of that in this video usually that's true but how accurate is it that's the thing he's doing things in a nuts and bolts kind of way and it's like yeah kind of like a surgeon did he is a surgeon but he is now a sorcerer so yeah you're right I think it would be more poetic for him to very delicately even do it with sorcery like having the pieces move slowly and him looking at it all coming together I actually think that the take there would then be accurate but this I don't know that you could say like he's doing it very deliberately and slowly by hand to really put the past behind him it's like a non-sacred yeah it's if the connection here was like he wanted to have a more personal connection with the object itself and he wanted to instead of just magic it together without having to touch it like a physical connection with the object physically having to do it it's almost like the digging the grave and the DC movie the what is it the Snyder yeah Justice League like yeah you could just do it really really fast with your power or there is that level of like no we should do this like normally like so what do you put in there as well I guess it's like a deliberateness to it there's something there which is why I'm more willing to say zero I don't really want to go to negative one saying zero I'm not going to give it negative one because I it's almost there I think there needs to be more like if I'm to agree with his perspective he needs to develop it more and talk about like why he needed to do it that way but like I said I think I would have preferred it if he was doing it with magic I'm still thinking about that I am a surgeon but that's just hilarious don't you say rainy come on now you know what Eddie Munson treading in the background means that's still zero don't you do it we're about to get the screen they weren't kidding oh thank god kidding they weren't kidding you face the eternal consequences they stop after the next after credit scene of course I thought the evil eye was specifically for using the dark hold not the not this I thought it was a dark hold though well no because the third eye came for the evil strange and he had a third that's right and he didn't do any of this as far as I know they didn't say he went into a corpse yeah just living people but what an appropriate horror at the end as long as we ignore the post credit scene I guess you can say this is an MCU horror movie but it feels weird to say so I almost don't feel like that there are elements there were elements in horror but it's like saying I'm shot at a stealth game it's not it's an action adventure game with stealth elements in it would you say this is an action adventure movie yes absolutely I don't think it's got enough horror in it you can say there are horror elements at best absolutely oh okay we're not ignoring that alright at least the eternal consequences have hit him oh he's fine it looks very similar to where strange met doormom I know that's fine so maybe you can figure it out Bruce Campbell also that's a fork the mini ashes used against big ash it's over thank god I've never been more glad to have that I was all just zeros yeah so now this is big somebody's part so the way he does it as far as I remember is he'll do like a connecting pieces about the good and you'll give them wins so we're still in it folks as you can tell he's done he's coming up to almost twice the amount of points I can't believe I'm saying this but you could infer from the fact that they have similar if not almost the same length of time but wins has way more points that sins spends more time on average explaining his points shit it does seem to be that way multiverse of madness the second or third best multiverse film of the year well it pause it there let me use the loop real quick and then we can continue I am also going to take advantage of the loop wow I thought we were here like pressing on but that's okay they're stalling us for any you know you can just sort of like you can go and then come back you can pee in your little seat you can stand up you actually know you would like gollum what gollum with a little piss bucket I just have to assume he pees at his loin cloth I don't know even gollum has to hand what a is there a collectible I don't know cloth maybe piece on that the pee cloth for storing piss for lighted use people are already assuming that sins is one you don't know that we haven't tallied you don't know that the true question is whether or not wins will actually make it to positive numbers that is the question legitimately but the longer it went on the more it started being zero and negative it was eating away at his tally that was actually kind of high early on I think skewed that way the longer it went on the more he was forced to talk about the film the harder it got just fun fact so far he hasn't scored a single two wins while sin scored I think three twos see it is kind of because remember we watched his suicide squad video right every cinema sins video we have watched before this one today we pretty much thought was like dross yeah he's not good he's typically not good but as we pointed out if there's gonna be a video he should nail it's probably on what we consider to be the worst movie of all time for writing anyway are we ready we look like we're ready I'm ready let's go let's get some minor critiques out of the way some of the dialogue is rough here and there so not everything rewrites and some obvious reshoots are hard to ignore wait what do we do now he doesn't apply wins he just says the criticisms they only count when he does the ding I think can we at least give him a chance and for every good point he makes give him a point okay alright let's be give him a chance exceedingly fair exceedingly fair so he said that some of the dialogue is wonky I'm not gonna give him a point because he didn't give us any examples yeah you gotta be more specific than that so he said you can track the discontinuity with wong's changing here do you think that's enough for a point I think he gets a point for that I think he gets a point for that as well then by wong's ever changing here I don't really care to get into it because I think the final results work extremely well and I love wong he slowly becomes that's just a negative one sorry man you got the point man you lost it straight away I think that's how he does it he'll be like this thing is disgusting and horrible and terrible it makes no sense I love it I love it put it on my screen it's one of my favorite MCU characters so maybe we'll find out that actually it was all seven different wongs but I doubt it joke zero I think Elizabeth Olson killed it as the baddie in this film acting was very good acting was good but like that's not talking when you say killed it as the baddie we have to assume he's saying the performance right and that's fair that's what my mind goes to I'm gonna give him a point even though that's pretty generous cause we've given him a lot of Elizabeth Olson as good he's been squeezing that getting the points out of there no that's not his fault that's the writing cause they told her to deliver these lines as a particular way she nails it but it's confusing cause you don't know how any of this is working so that's interesting cause it's like she struggles he's saying she's struggling but I don't think I don't think so so when he says he's referring to the writing line I think he's referring to the production as a whole I think it's the production level in that case would that be a point I don't think they struggled they failed I think that's with something it's true there was definitely a struggle we would just consider it much worse than he would right so he gets bored saying that they struggled to figure out how to make her somewhat sympathetic absolutely completely I think that is true we would say there was a disaster and he's saying they struggled does he got a point for that listen man I'm just trying to help about maybe somebody else do the tie break here just trying to help out the pity point Bragg's decided no I understand that struggle though he fucked it up anyways just to find stop doing this why does a shitty terrible awful awful person fuck off but it can make her turn at the end and it's clear that her willingness to kill is a direct result of Darkhold no it's not negative one he did say the turn was quick is that worth anything but remember he praised it he gave it a point it's so weird this is so disjointed that was quick she goes full horror villain not just because Rami wanted to have these stellar scenes but because she compromised her morals and ethics to accomplish her goal she was warned about Darkhold and she did it anyway so her turn can be looked at as her finally realizing that she was not doing any of this for her kids and it was all for her no they want you to think you have to tie this to what he said earlier about her not caring about the kids it's completely fucked as analysis of course she's doing it for selfish reasons meaning that she wants to be with her children but she does care about them yeah it's so strange to move it around this way she's finally realizing she wasn't doing this for her kids it was doing it for her she was always doing it for her to get to the kids because she cares about the kids she believes they would be better off with her remember the line about how she said that with her and her power they would never die because she would always be able to find through the multiverse a solution to any illness or sickness whatever they have she cares about them so like no this is the only way you can't control it but I can and then solidify he's right he can't control it and he seemingly can the only problem was that logically speaking he had no time to suck at power because it takes fucking 10 years you need to kill her sorry and he seemed to be on board with it because he was killing her anyway you have to be the one holding the knife strange doesn't rely on anyone else strange doesn't rely on anyone but himself that's not true he relied on Tony to save all of the people he created the he made the Illuminati well if we're talking about this strange specifically he relied on Tony big time he was dead Tony in the event just to come through obviously it was a potentiality yeah no you're wrong and where does he go he goes to Jamratage with all of the sorcerers to defend everything and Wong it's this thing where the movie told you it could have been that they were like Doctor Strange and Multiverse Matters what are we going to make it about we're going to make it about how Doctor Strange has father issues he just has serious father issues and that Christine and him are together now and she's pregnant and she's about to give birth we're at eight months or something and that he's super worried and stressed out that he's just inadequate as a father because of his father you'd be like what okay I guess we could try and make that work the funny thing about that is it's more congruent because it's new and that we didn't get told about it this doesn't line up one of the biggest moves he ever made in the MCU was relinquishing control yep it's just an invented made up new thread for this film one of many but himself he thinks he's right even when he's not and he struggles to ever admit he's wrong it's not a new message by why did you show this as a visual because he's being a dick which is not the same as being wrong by the way it's not a new message by any means but they executed very well negative one point there's so many negative one points for again right now you just heard the theme and accepted it is he already done with the criticisms part I'm guessing I'm guessing so yeah or there'll be light one sprinkled in that are immediately followed up with it but that's okay no it's actually good like that kind of pattern but they executed very well his first after redemption is testing Christine to help him dream walk and then obviously the big turn is when he does the what about all the other times the end of the movie what about what about asking wonder for help is the first fucking thing he does in this movie yeah and then they call in other sorcerers to help no he's always got to be holding the knife the thing about this is you can you can actually like just move it around so much you can never be wrong you'd be like no no no when he asks for help he's still in control because he's the one that asks for help well I mean if we do it like that then there's nothing there's no references he does control this because he told America what to do and then she did it so exactly he had full control he'd ever stopped holding that darn knife exactly what Defender Strange did and trusts America I hate this analysis what do you think Defender Strange was supposed to do America I've been stabbed with something that looks like it's probably going to kill me I need you to believe in yourself and defeat this monster I have no reason to think you can do that at all but fucking I could kill you and save the whole multiverse but why would I do that because I'm immoral that's just sucks man I feel bad for Defender Strange every day that poor guy gets shadowed by everybody he lets go of the knife it's a huge emotional arc for him that ends perfectly with his bow to wall and even beyond thematic stuff this film is a super entertaining watch the whole premise of your video it's entertaining you want to tell us why apparently Olsen shot some of these sequences back to back in WandaVision which must have been a trip that is a criticism not a compliment but I guess you could say it's good that she managed to maintain is what I was saying earlier imagine you're like filming you being a horrible villain then you filled the scene where you realize you were wrong for torturing people I'm sorry wait what's the order for this well it would be really awkward for her WandaVision wondered us something terrible wrong and then tries to stop it and that's meant to be like a little redemption thing for her and then she's immediately back to being even more evil in a normal video you'd be like despite the fact that Elizabeth Olsen nails the performance throughout if you knew this it kind of makes it seem a little more awkward the fact is she was filming scenes from WandaVision and scenes from this film back to back in different portions you know really struggling with the fact that she couldn't really know what was happening you can play clips if you're saying that and then you can be like this is a very bad way to construct your stories because it's not helping your actors and it doesn't need to be this stupid you could actually like organize it and schedule it so it's competent and that they can actually get into the stories and understand them famously Cumberbatch said he has no idea what his arc is in this film that's not good you shouldn't say you shouldn't highlight that and then say that's really good that he's doing it despite all that you should say it's bad the recent thing with Elizabeth Olsen is she said that she stopped reading the revisions for the script because it just kept getting rewritten that is a bad thing it's bad for the actors it makes it harder for them to do well and there's no shame in highlighting that it's bad you don't have to be toxic positivity is a real thing there's a real game really is all the cameos are fantastic because they are cameos that's it the whole thing I don't care what anyone says this is not the definition of fan service this isn't humiliated and destroyed how is this analysis this isn't an analysis I like it then he says after but honestly what was even more fun were their deaths I don't believe that you think that he's just running into that negative 10,000 points it's like oh you like the cameos okay I guess I get it but then you should probably be like oh he turned them into spaghetti the other one got exploded and the other one this is all died you like the fun gory stuff because it's ramy that's all it is isn't it? he just did another ramy without saying ramy honestly what was even more fun were their deaths so gruesome so unexpected I don't care what anyone says oh my god it was funny like on the side of not liking it you have all these fucking arguments about all the characters how they built up what their powers are how this doesn't make any sense the motivations you're like that's bad and then he's like well I think it's good and you can't change my mind okay I guess that's great mr. analysis analysis movies person youtube video what's the point of you other than you can you can have your own beating in life I just meet these videos it just feels like a missed opportunity explain to people why this is worthwhile why they should do it again why it was a good choice give us something and if you can't maybe you have to accept like man I only have superficial praise for this you don't get ramy if you don't want him to ramy that's not it's not required Winnie what are you doing what are you doing Winnie you could have said ramy I need you to like have them like they die but like make it you know like not shit this is the thing how does Wanda defeat the Illuminati it's like with how it's presented it's gonna be pretty fucking hard to justify it but you could find a way you have to work at it you can't just have a walk in and kill everybody point blank it's so bad that they all know she's coming see her have the powers that they do and then they lose it's like okay the cummerbatch is is Dr. Strange in every performance of the character he does a great job of making I'm not allowing him to have a point again for Strange you know you don't get no you don't get a lot Benedict cummerbatch is a great actor yep everybody knows everybody agrees and yes he is like probably the perfect casting for Dr. Strange yep you don't get points for that so just a little bit of a cocky jerk and Rachel McAdams continues to be great as multiple I think Rachel McAdams is a great actress at her best she doesn't do anything as Christine I'm sorry she's Bailey yeah she's just that's a really great point the most character you get from her is in the first movie and even that is thin so this isn't even our Christine's different Christine Steven I used to love you but you're just too much vibe but the real standout of the film is Sochi Gomez I'm sorry I'm more than happy to say she did a good job but she's I'm sorry she's not on the cummerbatch you put that in there she was barely mentioned this whole video and now she's yeah it's weird that he didn't highlight a particular performance from her it's not to me that she was 14 when they started filming and she carried she's good especially if she's 14 that's fair yeah she's never not a teen in this film but it never feels like she can't keep up she does fine fine cool she had to play both the captive and the hero at times and sure seems super natural for her Sochi and others like Miss Marvel's Iman Vellani the MCU was doing an excellent job of finding the next generation of MCU character hahaha they're doing a great job they're doing so good at that well I mean I guess the thing that could be said Marvel doesn't they seem to cast people who are really competent typically like as performers but the actual new generation of characters who are you really latching on to at this point you know I'm like man I'm so interested in seeing what happens next for whose new characters that I've introduced Miss Marvel Riri Williams Riri Williams can't wait to see what happens with Riri Williams and Wakanda and Iron Suit Adam She-Hulk I can't wait to see She-Hulk the thing about it is it's the way that he said it right because I didn't if he had said job in finding the next generation of MCU actors had been like they usually highlight they usually grab good actors they don't often grab an actor you go like Seth Rogen is Doctor Strange or anything but yeah next generation of MCU characters it's so funny to say that because that is basically the huge issue right now they are out of characters they used to have a roster of like 50 yeah but it doesn't matter you could have all the greatest actors in the world if they're playing characters that everyone fucking hates i.e. Game of Thrones Season 8 it doesn't fucking matter so good on them and if you want to make movies for the MCU someday oh my god oh no oh no we're done you know what struck me that's all you had for the compliments even you Mr. Compliments Everything has to know this film we're shooting getting feedback everything you need if you feel like you have no idea where to start I did his class it's fantastic behind the scenes info is there anything else oh gosh that's a long end how much were you paid the shittiness this video is like did you like did Patrick William Willems class like infect your brain to think that this movie was good is this is this a damning insight he struggled he struggled to talk about it in a positive light because he has to know this film was really weak there was so little there in those last couple of minutes and a lot of it was just like well I really enjoyed it that was super entertaining it's kind of dumb but I don't care it just reflects like a lack of I guess confidence in this film but if you've set about to make a video called everything great about Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness like yeah it's going to be a struggle it runs into the same problem that CinemaSins has in the opposite direction of like doing a sins video for a really great film when you like when you need criticisms and you're like fishing for criticisms and just maybe just make a short but accurate video I mean that's always something you could do 27 minutes is better right the longer the better it's shorter to make a shorter video too like it takes you less time but whatever a wind counter that has over 200 it's nicer to look at as like a oh I have five winds here anyway see you next time I was like yeah I have tallied his score so what I have to say about this is that we had a lot of negative ones at the end that I didn't even write down because I was so despondent like it was just piling on so this score you have to keep in mind in reality it would have been lower than this this was a generous score and we were being very generous with a lot we gave him some pity points we were being very generous do you want to just for the fun of it the four of you guess what it might be negative 16 negative 12 negative 37 I'm going to go ahead and guess some like negative 5 so the like I said the reality is it could be any of those depending on how much I didn't write down because we just got to a point where it was spamming negatives it is so it's just our cinema sins ended with 67 points which generally we're just like that's actually pretty good good job not bad negative ones in there but you know wins according to the what I wrote down which isn't entirely accurate it would be much lower than this on a plus 2 oh oh Fringy was indeed the most accurate so I had a feeling it would be positive it just seemed like it would be a real slim margin if it was because the negative started piling on towards the end we need to do this again with the last wish to compare the ultimate results because that would be really interesting I would agree that's the real test cinema wins accurately and thoroughly like nail the price for a good film or is it as vacuous as well yeah and similarly how can sins fare against a good film though we've seen that several times and it doesn't really badly yeah this isn't enough like how well do you do when criticizing a really bad film and trying to prize a really bad film we need that opposite and then maybe something in the middle if we wanted to do it at that time yeah choose like a mid-movie if we can find one that would match that a real average one ooh that's a good one what will we consider that well we call it Suicide Squad let's like a five but we already did that yeah we'd have to find someone else like no way home maybe one has like plot problems but high character moments it's possible we'd have to look at the erostics I don't even know what movies they cover in full both of them like you know I wonder what their coverage each would be on Quantum Mania for example but I don't think either of them um well that's that what is to be concluded from this both channels are shit but ultimately here sins came out as like a channel that's not worthless this stuff to gain especially because they're bite size I'd consider half an hour bite size especially if it's a movie so you know but luckily we have more context on Cinema Sins we know that he's like notoriously shit at his job with a lot of stuff doesn't have to be he's got both of them have the exact same problem they never go further they never detail they never really show any true understanding of like what is meaningful in writing they mostly just explain something and that's it which is so ironic because that's what we get as a criticism from a lot of people it's like all you're doing is highlighting what's there it's like I don't know we always want a context of how it's damaging to something that's established or it's contradictory to something but the amount of how many times did Cinema Wins just say something was there a lot of times I got really frustrated because there was nothing else to add by any of us as well Cinema Sins came out way ahead on that front like he did do a lot of you know saying but he did a lot of actual things he did he's all been to it a bit and he was really kind of analytical and critical yeah well hosts and guests give their own scores you mean like for the channels what in general or for those videos I don't think anyone here thinks I don't think Cinema Sins makes good videos no he makes very mass produced videos people keep telling me that Wins is so much better in general but I think people just feel that way because of positivity that's a great theory that's a great theory yep I love the idea of the Cinema Wins channel and it could be so much fucking better it's not under the idea that like it's better to be positive about anything it's more so just I like the challenge of trying to make an analysis where you are biased in one direction and find all the most interesting complimentary things to the writing slash production of a film that's cool but he's really bad at it well it's just hunting for whatever can get that counter higher up right it's literally the exact same strategy as Sins yeah it's just a meme it's like let's see how high the counter can go then we add like arbitrary numbers in there it's like oh this was so cool this gets plus 17 it's like oh okay it's just never gonna be accepted on a wider level because he's positive why would you go after someone who's just being positive and it's like oh I okay it's gonna be funny because if you then have like a video where you agree with the points where it's like yeah it's still shit because you didn't tell me why it's good like I agree that this is good but I'm probably gonna tell you why it is good in a couple of minutes instead of like this is good Rami ding nothing hmm well bad well I mean you know there you have it what more could possibly be said yeah that is that is a that's an e-fap for you quite that was a very draining video Sins of Redemption and Winnie 2988 Win 2988 they will meet again we got our I hadn't put this up the meme the rags meme ponytail rags is evil oh yeah ponytail rags is totally good ponytail denotes villainy looks like a British on like producer like music producer guy yeah I see what you mean does I don't get that I'd never knew that ponytails were evil I had no clue it's better that you know now wonder where he pulled that from what made him think that must have met a lot of ponytail people that just just wants to just grab him by the ponytail and yank him around and be like why why do you why are you why do you wear the mark of the beast the mark of evil the ponytail why do you bear his banner the mark of the pony so meme repository what are you up to these days where can people find you yeah well I'm streaming Shadow of Mordor right now to kind of give the contrast with the Golem games so that's that's what I'm doing at the very present moment and I'm also editing a little TV series which hopefully you guys will get to see within the coming months and yeah then after that I'll be back to stream repositories I got a stream I got a Kevin Conroy tribute stream that is like is in like that final bit before it's ready but I haven't had a chance to like do that final bit so it's kind of just hanging at 98% at the moment I gotta get back to that afterwards and then yeah just gonna be just I got a bunch of notes that I've taken for a bunch of things I need to turn them into videos so that I'll be trying to do that as well so that's that's me well awesome what to it yeah wait link in description and chat or at least it is if you scroll up mortal what are you doing what's what's up with you well that was the stinky guy that made me play this Golem game who would do that as yeah I finished that yesterday if you want to go watch those bots that are still in the playlist and not on the archive channel yet but just go to my little channel page and then go to the flimflam playlist and then you will find all the streams unlisted there also yeah 3-4 just this month yeah we're kicking it off this month because we got spider-verse flash and diana jones there would be more forges but gosh don you just needed to play that golem game it was all the rage culturally I needed it in my needed it in my body that spider spooder-verse forge is going to be next sunday so not tomorrow or today whatever your time zone is uh there will be next sunday so that's going to be good fun uh yeah and then just going back yeah which will be ready when it's ready um well yeah link again the correct link in description it works I'm sure of it uh frangy rags what are you guys up to what's going on well with me I should have a dog bites video out on monday tomorrow I'm going to have I'm going to be busy with some IRL stuff so I don't think I'll be able to work on it but I might I'm not sure maybe but either a monday or Tuesday I should have a dog bites out I did put one out yesterday as well and work uh work is progressing on the big chonky boy for the main channel and I think once that's done uh you'll really really like it I think it'll have a lot of stay in power to repeat so there is a dog bites video out right now a new one and he talks about the old andor and it's quite a good video I thought it was rather fun made a quicky little one yesterday for uh synthetic man jr but if you uh but yeah monday or Tuesday I'll have another one out I'm trying to get them out more regularly and um not at the risk of being spammed or spum I suppose is at the risk of being spum if you find good stuff you want me to respond to or take a look at you know give me a tag send them my way email them to me I would legitimately appreciate you know you guys looking for stuff because I'm I'm a busy lad I do a lot so give me a yeah send it my way see you's always right uh that's for me I'm just working working working working that's the thing that's gonna be what I'm gonna say as well working working working non-stop work timeline getting chunkier and chunkier as things do um I'm still dealing with horrible copyright issues on basically everything including the supercut for Mando which the longer time goes on the more awkward it'll be when it releases but I what am I to do just that's just the reality of it one day that'll go like I was assuming I'll ask you guys probably on the EFAP prior to it if you want it premiered or not I don't know anymore like chat I don't know if you prefer that or not it's you know sometimes it's just awkward or if it's it's preferred if you'd want to watch it all again it's a real great series it's just that you know it's really far away from where Mando came out now but um like the copyright works differently on the individual videos to the main big one I don't fucking know um yeah the EFAP movies are still in production you gotta wait longer on that one before more information and there is something else cooking I'm probably not going to give information on it yet so I don't know if it'll happen or not um but as me mentioned you have got an EFAP TV series that's on the way it'll start up in the next few time who knows exactly when that's a complicated thing to ask okay chat how dare you but oh a lot of the things they would want in the premiere okay like I said I'll ask you again when we get around to it or something who knows what you'll think then but yeah um you know more things are getting tooled away at you want to find me in other places I'll be on open bar on Thursdays real BBC on Tuesdays and you'll get your more super chat catch ups every Wednesday and hopefully like I said start the EFAP TV series eventually but we're actually getting just feel so we're getting close to the anniversary again yeah what really just it just goes so fast so obviously we'll have to prep for that as well but we still I think one EFAP ahead um so who knows what will exactly happen with that but yeah that's about that so um thank you all so much for joining us for your kind and interesting messages your company and I hope you had fun but I I'll say you'll have to find somewhere else to go for now maybe go to sleep of some food I know we're going to consider a lot of things you do in life since we've been here for eight hours yeah I got a few cats yeah lots of real life things I'm tired and hungry and um that's about as much cinema sin slash wins as that I can take for today yeah we'll we'll revisit them some other time yeah that was more draining than I was expecting like that was especially wins what the fuck what happened what the fuck okay bye everybody everybody go lock them balls hell yeah