 Hello, and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker, and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally this is an audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends, and we talk about the making of the movies, trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy, because now it's time to rewind. So unfortunately, you know, Helen doesn't make it either, and that leaves Julian and Ray alone to battle off this fisherman. They do find out that it is indeed the guy that they hit last July 4th. He did not die. He tries to tell them, next time you think someone's dead, make sure they're really dead. And then they survive for the sequel. They're able to get the rope around his hand and rip some of it. I own a boat, and I don't even understand what happens in that. You're like, okay, that's one sharp rope. And then the ending of she's back at school, and she's bouncy again, and her hair is like... Her hair. And it's got some wave and bounce, and she's getting ready to take a shower, and then in perfectly written words, I still know on the shower. Which is so funny, you'll remember this. My dad would sneak in a video camera back in the day, and we saw this in theaters. I'm pretty sure my dad and I saw it on a school night. We didn't go like opening night or opening weekend. We went like that Monday, because knowing that I loved horror, and he was like, I'm going to record. Yeah, and we want to get in trouble. Wouldn't be that many people. We can put it right in. This was back in the day with those big like VHS recorders. Like basically, like, you know. And so he's leaning it on the on the armrest between us, and he records it because he knows like literally. I guarantee, if not that night, the next day I watched it again, and I didn't care if it was a bootleg and not great quality. And so I have a distinct memory of the big finale where the fishermen bus through the shower glass of screaming and shaking and hitting the camera. I'll put the camera so at the end, you can hear me go and it like shook. And I just loved rewatching that because then I was part of the movie. I want to watch it. Yeah, like I want to watch it with the grainy footage in the screen. Right? If it still exists, I have to like digitize that somehow. Because yeah, anyway, but yeah, this was such a fun movie to see. I mean, it's fun to see no matter what, but especially on a big screen. It was really so cool. And maybe you guys will agree or I know this is crazy, but I have said before for a split second or not a split second, but at least for a short, a very short amount of time. I actually like this movie better than Scream, but then I came to my senses. And Scream is more superior. Yeah, but you don't know why in Philippe it's like just glistening abs in Scream. So I can understand being like this movie. I like a little bit better, right? I think you're right. I think it was like everyone's just so pretty. I like this one better. But yeah, that scene, guys, that Ryan, Philippe scene. I just want to thank Ryan. I want to thank Kevin Williamson for writing that scene. I want to thank the director. I want to thank the art department, the lighting. Everything is working really well. The thermodynamic concept of steam, like how steam rises from warm water. Thank you, thank you towels for being placed perfectly. I mean, that was a moment and a star was born because obviously, you know, Jennifer Love and Sarah Michelle, they're already huge TV stars. Buffy was airing its second season right now. And I looked party five was airing its fourth and they had done TV shows before that soaps and various things and other movies. But like the guys were newer, you know? So I just I like I just remember like that scene, seeing Ryan in the towel and then growing up, I'm like, wow, yeah, that's how he got so busy. Was that yes? You know what I mean? He really what I mean, they were all great. They're all fine. I love I love the performance as I love everything about it. But like Ryan Felipe, especially in this movie or Philip Philippi, which yeah, whatever, right, right. P. Right, right. P. Yeah. Yeah. He you can tell that his talent stands out. His behavior is it's a little bit more like he's not afraid to. Yeah, like and I'm like, oh, this is how you got cruel intentions was being such a good actor in this showing that you could like go there. You screaming at Jennifer Love, you know, it's scary, but it's good. Oh, yeah, he's really, you know, you know, immediately, basically, that he's got to die, you know, the others you're not sure. But you know, this punk like he's he's just asking for. I knew Sarah was going to go to. You did? Did you know on tearing it? And I was still on back then. I was like, it's it's not safe enough. Yeah. So let me ask you this question. Did you know she was going to go on screen too? Or did you think, ah, she's not going to die twice? I still thought that she was going to go and I was like, she's the opening kill. I was like, now at this point, she's Drew Barrymore. Right. She was the drill. We did have we did have Jada in the movie theater as like the opening. But then. But then, yeah, Sarah Michelle is absolutely the new version of Barrymore. And C.C. even stands for Casey, they say. Right. So yeah. Yeah. You know, that's a good question, Tom. I didn't think about that. I had no idea because back then, I mean, we had no idea what would happen in Scream 2. And it's can we just for a second just applaud Sarah Michelle Geller? What an insane 1997. You had Buffy start two seasons in one year, basically. So you had Buffy, you had this and you had Scream 2. I mean, a true Scream Queen. It's amazing actually that she didn't go crazy. Do you know what I mean? With all that pressure and all that attention. And then like the movie star that she met and married at that time is like still her husband. Yeah, it's it's amazing. Yeah, she's got like an inner north somehow that's like really strong. And like really, like she has a good head on her shoulders. That's a good way to put it for sure. Yeah, what they thought would be a new beginning. Toast to us is becoming a dead end. Somebody tried to kill you last night. We have to go to the police. If you want to be dead, you could have done it. Why do you love this movie so much, Tom? I'll go with you first. When you think of I know what you did last summer, why does it put a smile on your face? I think it harkens back to my my affinity for Jennifer Love You it and Sarah Michelle Geller. So having those two women who I adored back throughout my entire youth being one movie and a horror movie on top of that, I think puts the icing on the cake. Second of all, I I still think it's rather scary. Oh, yeah. You know, and that chase scene is phenomenal from start to finish from the cop car to her dying in the tires. It's just awesome. Watching it back with you this summer, it had been like a good two or three years since I saw it. There are some problems. It's not a perfect movie. Scream is definitely a lot tighter. It's a better script. It's more realistic. There's a lot of plot holes and I know what you did last summer. But I just think I think it's a good movie that just summed up our youth in a lot of ways. I really do. It's a great thrill ride, right? And I feel like there were I feel like the teens in that movie were a little bit more relatable than the teens in Scream. Well, Scream, I mean, yeah, much like Dawson Scree, Kevin Williams, some really gave them some real beautiful lines. But like, wow, this they're a little bit more normal. No one who is under the age of 35 has ever said that. Yeah, they're like, yeah, I love Hewitt's lines in this, like border on that a little bit. I'm like, oh, that was Kevin. You're so right. Yeah, yeah. He wanted us to know like she's she's in college and she's staying in college. The rest of you didn't get through it. Yeah, we understand you're on another level. Helen didn't even try. She's like, literally next year I'm going to be an actor. And I think and then I need Helen's New York number. I know newsflash, Julie. Helen doesn't have a New York number. Can we talk also? Damn, Bridget Wilson. We need to talk Bridget Wilson. Really, what a bitch. She is so good in this movie. She doesn't get enough credit because there because of course we talked about her name like second in the credit. Yeah, it is interesting. Hers was up there with Anne Hayes. Yeah, like it definitely like they leaned on the girls before getting to the guys. But yeah, she's so good. And it's funny because obviously this movie is based on the lowest Duncan 1973 book, which I read after watching the movie. Apparently very boring. It's either of you read it. No, I haven't. OK, it's fun to like though. And I was like, I love like, yeah. Lois Duncan, she had a whole bunch. Yeah, you know, I read the book and there is no murder. But Barry does almost die. He gets hurt. He breaks his arm like he does in the movie. So that's the same. But there's no murder. And it's not a man that they hit. It's a little boy that they truly do kill. And the little boy is in terrorizing them. It's actually, do you want me to tell you? Or you don't want to know? It's actually, I think what the Amazon show was sort of trying to do because I did here. I didn't watch the Amazon show, but I if anyone wants to hear about that, I recommend this episode from the podcast, Adapt or Parish. It's all about books turning into movies, turning into shows. And so they talk about this whole franchise. And it's a fun episode. But that series had to do with twins. Apparently it's awful. Has nothing to do with a fisherman or a hook, which is just terrible. It's like, that that is the the franchise is the hook, right? I was gonna say, like, that was what, that's literally what brings me back to it. And why I love you so much is like, it had a whole bunch of fun. Yes. And we don't ever see, we rarely see, first of all, we rarely see anything set in a nautical world, but especially horror is rarely set in seaside. So it's, I love, I love a good setting that like, you can really just jump into and this movie does do that very well. But so no, who actually was doing it in the book, and I guess in the show sort of, or I don't know, they twisted it, but it's actually a guy who was talking to Julie and to Helen. And they don't know that this guy is flirting with them both. Let me tell you the backstory. So Lois Duncan got the idea for the book while she was making dinner and her daughter, Carrie, who I believe was murdered later in the, in 1989. And that's why she hates, that's why Lois Duncan hates this movie and hates that Kevin Williamson turned it into a slasher because her daughter was murdered and for a long time, the killer was never found. Oh wow. So keep that in mind. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Carrie. If it's not Carrie, sorry, Carrie might be another daughter, but her daughter was brutally murdered. Oh my God. But so she was, she's cooking dinner. Her daughter, Carrie, is having a conversation with a friend in the kitchen on the phone. Carrie, her daughter, tells her friend about a boy that's interested in her. And then the friend is on the phone saying, how funny, a boy's interested in me. We should do a double date. The two eventually found out they were talking to the same boy and he was like playing them and giving them a fake name. So Lois Duncan began to wonder what if the boy had deliberately implanted himself in the lives of two girls to mess with their lives and if he built this sort of like split personality thing. Yeah. And so then she later read a story about a hit and run in the newspaper and so she's like, I'm going to combine these two stories. So that's that. So the twist is, it's this guy who is the older brother of the little boy who they hit. But if they hit a boy, whoa, that would be so dark. Well, because then it's like in the movie, they haven't, I mean, they definitely tried to kill somebody. He came up to and they started beating him about the head and shoving him into water. Like you all did ultimately and you will be found liable if you hit him and then just walk away like you did. But the way the movie plays out is that other than that, there is no crime because he survives it. So it's all attempted and it's essentially, it's not no harm, no foul, but it kind of feels like you guys didn't really do anything. But like if they really had hit and killed a child and thrown a child into, like there is no getting around. Like we can sit here and say there is, there's no getting around if you do it to anyone of any age, but like emotionally in a movie, if it's a dog or a child that you do it to, it's like way worse than some crotch deal fisherman guy. Yeah, like you did him a dime. That's coming to you. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's why like I actually would be okay if they ever remade this and sort of merged the original movie with the book because I do think it needs to be a slasher and we need to have the hook and the fisherman. Come on. I'll throw it over to you, Kit. Why do you love this movie? Well, I mean, I was only quasi-kitting when I said like the fisherman vibe. The summertimey wharf. I might have seen this when I might have seen it like on USA or TNT like the summer that I moved to Morse town. So it would have been like eighth grade, which was the time that I was first to let in between seventh and eighth grade when I was first allowed to start watching Dawson's Creek. I'd always been allowed Buffy because Buffy was cool as hell. And because like some aid on the playground had once said that I looked like Sarah Michelle Geller and I was like, I look like her mom. So I went, oh yeah. Back in the day, I was like, wow. You must have been like she's on 17 magazine. Yeah. I need, I need to see her like and also I was like, she kills vampires. I love vampires. But you totally do look like her. And Tom, like when Kit had one of her headshots back in the day, I remember it looked like Catherine from Cruel Intentions. Oh, wow. You were absolutely Sarah Michelle from Cruel Intentions. Because she has dark hair too. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it was like, it was like the right length, like just a little past shoulders. I remember in your photo. It's when I'm dead on, I look more like Katie Holmes. It's from this side. I'm like more Katie Holmes. You're a little bit more like. And this is more like Buffy. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Basically you're all the, you should do a one woman show of all the WB shows. WB. I would, Hey, I would pay. I'm gonna be Dawson. It has to be a good person show. Oh my God. That would, that would be funny. Yeah. Every now and then, Dawson comes out. Yeah. He threw through a window or something. Totally. Yes. Um, but yeah. So fishermen and the whole setting for sure. So I loved the summertime creepiness of it. It would have been during the summer that I saw it too. So that creepiness, we grew up on the east coast. It feels very east coast. And they were, and I already loved it was, but it really, yeah, it comes down to Buffy was in it. And that chase scene is like Tom said, it's just one of the best chase scenes in horror. It's so good. And it was my queen doing it. Oh my God. And she was doing it so well in a dress. And I think mostly barefoot. I mean, Yeah. It's amazing. Now let's break down that chase scene real quick. And then we'll move on. Like it goes on for a few minutes. It's a beautiful chase scene. Now real quick, I feel like we haven't really had, luckily in 97, we had that chase scene. And then Kevin Williamson also gave us a fun cop car moment with the girls in the back. And that was so intense. Really intense scene with Ned. But don't forget Gail's chase scene too. And then Gail's chasing through the halls of the school and in the cool little like a sound booth thing. Yes. Iconic, right? Not as long as Helen. Helen, I think still wins. But yeah, we luckily had two solid, solid, you know, chase scenes, which we don't get a lot of chase scenes anymore in horror. I'm kind of bummed in these new Halloween movies. We didn't have any chase. We had Allison running in Halloween 2018, a little bit in the woods with the magicians. Kyle Richards had a good one in Halloween. She had a good one in Halloween kills, but it was so short. But yeah, you're right. We had that. But like, do any, have we had any other recent chase scenes since 1997? Can you think of any in horror? I mean, it's crazy. So I'm hoping we get some more again because it has been far too long. I would, I agree with you. I think it's Helen. It's Gail. It's Laurie Strode. It's prom night. I forget that girl, but prom night, I remember has a good chase scene throughout the school, the halls of the school. And then what was the other one? I was thinking has a good chase scene. It'll come to me. Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Jessica Biel has a long one. And then even probably in the original too. But that's because the original, it's, but they did do that. They did. Yeah, yeah. She's got that fun to do, you know, stuff in like the, the, the meat place in the end. Slaughterhouse. Slaughterhouse. Yeah. Thank you. She's always like holding. Yeah, the place of the meat. But like in within that chase scene, what is your favorite moment? Because I, I'll start, I feel like even though it makes no sense, I to this day still love and I still find it horrifying when he's under the plastic and he's just there and the way he, he jumps out at her. How did she shut the lights off? I know. How did he shut the lights off? You know, and, and also, I mean, well, I'll save that for later. But also, yeah, when, when, when the lights go off, like there are just so many great moments. Elsa screams while, while Helen's on the phone and she knows something wrong. There's a nine one. You know, he knows the song. Yes. Kit, when he started singing that song, I literally screamed, I'm like, you do not know that weird ass random, hippy, dippy song. But he's doing it one more time for us, Tom. It's like, I'm not even sure the numbers, but it's like SH10091 and she's like slowly pulling the phone. Yes. You better don't stop before you leave. You leave me on the phone. And then it goes, it goes, cut. And then all you hear are the fans. That's why I have this fan going. Oh, I love it. Yeah, the light. Yes. And then when she, when she turns around, wait, but I forget. What makes her turn around? Does she hear something? She's walking and we see in the shot all the things in plastic, which I'm like, Elsa, are you shutting down for good? You don't need to put a plastic on it. You're just closing for the night. Inventory. Inventory. You do what it's inventory. Oh, and by the way, in the book, Elsa is super obese and overweight and ugly. But I actually think it makes more sense for Elsa to be stunning because it's like, because I mean, Sarah Michelle is stunning, but Bridget is truly beautiful, where I believe that we're like, oh, you are so upset that you are not Croker Queen and you're not going to New York. Right. It makes total sense. But yeah, when she turns around and we're with her for a little bit and we see and we, we the audience know before she knows that the fisherman's under there, that scene in the whole chase. I mean, it's all perfect, but that I just love. And I know it makes no sense. Is there a moment for you guys within that long chase that you love? What is it, Tom? So I've always loved the shot of the townhouse or the garage. And when he's coming around the corner and you see his, his, it looks like a silhouette, but it's not. It's just that his costume is so dark. Right. But just his black silhouette or is what appears to be similar to that white garage. It's just so reminiscent of like Michael Myers in the shot of Michael Myers silhouette to me almost. I would get. I just love that. I'm taking some beautiful shot. Exactly the shape. It's a classic horror movie shot. Yes. I love that great shot. Beautiful. What about you, Kit? Any specific moment you really love? Yes. For me, it's, and it's funny because, Mark, you pointed this out when we were kids too. I remember you being like, one of the scariest things is when someone is walking, like from afar, walking towards you purposefully, but not fast because you're like, and they're simply not stopping. Just walk it. Like Michael Myers does. I love Michael Myers. Yeah. Precisely. But this, something about this one, well, Michael Myers, I don't know if it's, if it's that he's physically bigger or because this particular Fishman shape is pretty big. But like, I don't know if it, what it is, but this guy felt realer somehow. Like it felt more like some, I was like, it felt very real viscerally. Like this could happen. And that it was like a kid, I almost like forgive Bobby for not, or Tommy for not, Tommy Doyle for not like getting it. But like, when it's your sister, you're like, you're going to let me die here, man. Yes. And she's like, Yes. She's like, also open the door. Yes. And Elsa like really might do it just to piss her off without realizing like how life and death, like how do you make someone understand that this is life or death? And he's just like, like he's kind of like. That's a good new idea for, basically to remake this chase for some other movie, but Helen dies and then we're with Elsa for a little while. That's a twist. Oh, I like that. Huh. And then to find that out, Jesus Christ, that you totally, she wasn't kidding. Props to the costume designer, because that green dress looks so good in this scene. Yeah, it does. It just, that shimmer reflects the light perfectly. Right? Yeah. Because it's dark, you would think, and maybe the costume designer thought like a lazier costume designer would put her in bright pink or white or yellow, like something to show in the dark and show blood. But no, we're going for a green to be a little more bold. And also it's perfect because it's very like mermaid, you know, seaside. I was always like, she looks like the croaker queen. Like she's like, it's perfect. She's like a fish that he's caught. I mean, like the gorgeous fish, but like. Because earlier in the day at the parade. Yeah. Yeah. And the mistake they made. It was an accident. There was no accident. It was murder. What if he's still alive? What are you doing here? Is coming back to haunt them. Oh my gosh. Oh, before you ask your next question, Mark, I want to say another, another very scary scene that's up there to me in this movie as with the chase scene is when he's in Helen's house much earlier in the movie and the dad is watching TV and she's pouring that coke. Every and as a kid I must have seen it that summer right before the summer that Mark and I met right before eighth grade because I would I remember checking in my childhood bedroom ever since that movie. I will not go to bed without checking in that. Wow, specifically that movie. Specifically that movie. And then about five years ago I found out that Dennis Rader used to actually hide BTK would literally hide in like closets until they went to sleep to like pop out. So now I'm like, okay, you know any hotel any room I'm like I am grabbing a weapon and I'm taking a tour of the closet because you know what if you're hiding in there you're going to face me awake. At the very least you're going to face me awake buddy. You're not cutting off my hair tonight. But there's so many close calls in that scene too where it's like what would Ben Wills have done if Elsa or like if Helen opened the closet that night ago like put her dress in there or something. He would have had to like kill her and then her dad would have heard you think. Well, I don't know because he's watching a baseball game that looks like from the 1970. I know, yeah. He's a baseball and beer dad so he's not going to hear a thing. Why does her dad ignore her? She comes in after this sort of emotional chat with Julie which is a great scene and also just Kevin Williamson really knew how to like make us feel for people and then you know put him in danger. But she comes in she says hi dad he doesn't even is he deaf or does he hate her or like. I think he's just so into baseball. Oh my god her family sucks. And I I believe that Elsa gave the fisherman the idea of the hair because remember when Elsa goes into her room she goes you what did she say you and your hair so pathetic. Yeah. And you know he's like oh okay thanks Elsa I got that idea now right. Or he had the idea and he was like oh this bitch things just like. That scene I remember as a kid seeing it in theater and putting my hand up the timing that amazing shot well first of all when when killer just goes walks right in and and dad is oblivious he's we see the the light you know change and he's just on the TV but killer walks in and then he reveals the hook and then that amazing I remember Helen like opens up like a coke or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That coke. Yeah. That's the taste of it. And then and then add that timing of she's now coming from the kitchen and cameras here at the bottom of the stairs and just as she turns to go up the stairs fishermen turns to go into her room. I mean guys they probably took about an hour to like map out the timing of that and it works so well. That shot. Yes. Beautiful. Oh I remember right through my head every time I had to look in the I would just imagine like washing my face and like looking up at the fishermen going right around. Oh my god. Yeah. Great scene and then the the the the next scene in the morning. Oh yeah. So good. And the soon written in her lipstick and she's just breaking the mirror and her hair looks like absolute shit. I mean it's a little overkill but whatever we get it you know. And then it's like you actually don't feel that by the way. I know. Like you can cut it with a hook because I'm going to feel somebody grabbing my hair. Well that's what's funny that's what the cop says. I know. Yeah it's like it's like teased. I'm like he went to town on you girl you were out like a light. He's like I don't have a sister. But even the cop says oh and let me guess you know he cut your hair with the fishermen and I love again Helen's sassiness and maybe that's where I learned how to like not be all that polite to cops because Kit and I have been pulled over in the past and I remember Kit was like you're not that like scared of cops and I remember I just was like whatever. He says oh what they cut your hair with a hook and she goes no with scissors asshole. Oh my god amazing. Amazing. Whereas I was like I was like I was like excuse me Mr. Law Officer. Yeah you may bear what did she say you may bear you may bear as reject. You may bear as reject something I don't know but. I have to say like Ann Haish really like as as impressive as Ryan Philippi as Ann Haish is absolutely as impressive she's so good. It's just the behavior she's uncomfortable with certain things and different like she's just so you can tell that others come from TV and Ann Haish came from like a filled like background or that or just the where she was yeah. Also Ann Haish I talk about like comparing this to screen so there are some scenes and I know Chidella Summer versus Scream I know Chidella Summer is a little bit scarier in some instances the jump scenes are way better too the Ann Haish card hey! you forgot your cigarette scene yeah! you forgot your cigarettes thank you well I see you got this car started didn't you the car scene and then and then also in that same scene I remember they put it in the trailer at the end and Sam Michelle gives a great gasp when they're in Missy's house and they're calling each other Angela and and um which I love right yes all right Jo and Angela Lansbury but when when Helen turns around and bumps right into a slicker so Missy was also a suspect you know and and little me definitely was thinking oh Missy might be the killer especially in that second scene when Julie goes back to the house and Missy's like out of it and how and she's skinning the animal and has the knife yeah you feel her pain you feel actually really sad for her and you feel excited for her when she actually kind of looks off to the side and thinks about this Billy blue guy which again took me a while that's like oh yeah that's rain she's waiting for us to unravel the wait is over what are you waiting for that was a line given to them by a contest winner a kid apparently came up with that line and directed that scene so that's really funny that was not apparently originally part of the play and he made the fucking that's iconic and that line is probably the most famous it is the most famous line yeah so there you go absolutely right absolutely and Jennifer does so well with it because oh so good terrible line and like arms outstretched why are the neighbors of the house not coming out when you hear like somebody screaming like that who's waiting for what are you guys talking about the crabs that just took that dead body and just skiddled behind my house because they weren't waiting for shit they were looking at it thanks so much for watching next time there's gonna be a new movie that we'll talk about so stay tuned and please follow release date rewind on instagram for updates