 so they slashed their throat open with this sharp knife yeah it has to be like this okay and you think that this is ethical I think animals food yeah how was that you think animals food yeah no no no why why because they eat plants yeah hey brother hey what you doing are you we're showing people um UK slaughterhouses and farms you know trying to get people to stop paying for it you know what I mean paying for what well when you buy like a meat dairy and eggs you're supporting this industry is cruel to animals so we're asking people how can I eat yeah well do you have you had a vegan yeah I heard you heard a vegan you don't like it yeah it's fine but like wait wait wait my main diet like what do you what's your main diet meat meat but are you against animal cruelty are you against cruelty to animals yeah but yeah not like this of course that's why I eat halal halal yeah so what's halal halal is not slaughtering like this and okay you know kill them in the right way how are they raised how are halal animals raised even even a sheep when you when we kill a sheep we close his eyes so he don't see I've seen this is orthodox halal slaughter yeah this is how you do and they don't see each other you kill it then how do they kill it they kill it in one like only one so what with one time what do they kill them with with like a good knife so they won't they you will not feel anything it just like so they slashed their throat open with a sharp knife yeah it has it has to be like this okay and you think that this is ethical why why why got created like shapes and you know all of these animals well I don't have to eat them you know God created these animals so you can eat them so what what I'm familiar with religious arguments as well like I like I think you can be a Muslim and not eat animals no one said you had to I'm not I don't I'm not I don't have like I'm not I'm not have to eat animals you know yeah but I like to you I like to as well I like to eat steak and burgers as well but I don't know you know what I mean because uh I think it's wrong to rob someone of their life for a five minute meal when I can eat plants now and uh yeah but it's not good for you you know I'm saying it's not good yeah yeah to build muscles oh wait wait wait how do you know muscle to build muscles yeah you can be no no no you can you can build muscle okay I can't build muscle muscles we can diet but I need to eat a lot no no no you can get you can get how many how many grams of proteins you need a uh a day 300 three you don't need 300 grams how how much you weigh 80 kilos almost 80 I think you need about a gram of protein per pound so you need about 150 160 grams of protein a day you can get that easy I want to increase my weight yeah you don't need 300 grams of protein but you could get 300 grams of protein as a vegan but you don't need it you know I need to eat a lot and I'm saying no no necessarily no you just need to eat the the high protein foods like legumes and beans and you know you can eat the mock meats which are made from soy protein and you can have a vegan protein powder and you can have um you know satan which is super high in protein which is wheat meat so they take the protein from the wheat and they make meat from it there's heaps of ways to increase your protein as a vegan you don't need to eat huge amounts of food like it's just that's a myth but like have you ever tried being a vegan before no no but like I like that's why I used to bodybuild I used to I used to put on I used to do weightlifting I've done running long distance running but I will not have that weight and I'm saying I want to be big yeah I know you're big vegans that are much bigger than you I know I've never seen a vegan big I can show you one right now if you want hench herbivore my friend hench herbivore who from the UK his name's Paul Curtin he's much bigger than you I'm not saying that you're small I'm just saying he's a lot bigger than you um this guy here I mean it's difficult man it's not difficult uh he's he's big um there's another guy um his name he's never eaten animals in his life and he's low in no this guy here Neymar Delgado is never eating eating any animals in his life um and he's he's a pro he's he's he's been in the pro card for bodybuilding so he's looks good so like you don't need to eat animals this is what I'm saying and and I can guarantee you that when you buy halal meat they're not all being slaughtered orthodox halal like you you know when you see the the religious man and he holds them down and they don't see each other no no no you buy your halal meat from over here in the UK you're not watching them be slaughtered you don't watch them be raised do you have your eyes in the farm or do you trust the butcher you trust the butcher you don't see them you don't know that they're not dying in fear they you don't know they don't see each other be killed which is not halal I don't think there's a right way to kill someone who wants to live now just because it's passable why are they living why are you living why are you living what do you do everything wait you're living to build you build this out did you build this you build a rocket ship before hey you build oh no no no did you you you why do you live no you live you're a human yeah but you're I'll tell you why you you experience reality yeah you experience this world like this okay yeah a pig experience the world like this I know you don't eat pigs but cows they experience the world like this they feel pain I know they feel they feel pain yeah they feel pleasure happiness they care for their children you see in a cow with their young they care for their young so God made them with all of these all of these qualities they care for their young they feel pain they want to live they don't want to die that's why you have to be careful not to see that you know you're making sure you don't make them scared or suffered as halal yeah why they're living so wait wait wait why did God make them to suffer be scared not terrified but also in the same but also made them the right way I don't want to interrupt you but if you kill them the right way it's they will not feel anything not fear nothing just one time you know I've seen that I've seen orthodox I've seen orthodox halal slaughter I've seen it I've seen it multiple times and they do get scared and they do suffer because when you slash but when you slash someone's I have seen it they do suffer I can show you now I did like once I can show you now like when you slash someone's throat there's nerves in here have you ever been cut before in the throat no okay but if you pinch here you pinch here you slash a really sharp knife sharp as you can stale knife if you suffer you choke on your blood for starters you choke on your blood before you die so you're suffering there's nerves all in here you're suffering and if you have a knife cut across your windpipe through your main vein you start losing blood you start getting scared what's happening to me this guy's got me down and you slash my throat you tell me if I held you down you didn't know so you just woke up I hold your eyes and I slashed you across with a stale knife you're not going to be scared you're choking on your own blood what's going on terrified yeah maybe you take a dog I know dogs not halal but let's just say we take a dog we slash their throat open it's quick really we say a prayer yeah face make up say the prayer slash their throat open you don't think this dog's going to be drowning on their own blood four or five maybe 50 seconds 30 seconds no the dog's the same exactly the same in the way they suffer they want to live like everything why is a dog different to a cow cow why are they different they look different but what I mean like in the way that they suffer they want to live their life I mean a dog is for something else and I'm not saying now I'm saying that in the way they suffer in the way they feel I know you don't eat dogs I know it's not halal it's haram eat dog I'm saying I'm saying like but in the way they experience reality yeah I see a lamb looks different to a dog it's the same okay but you know I'm saying like if you slashed a dog's open throat open halal they'll be scared and they'll drown on their own blood okay so you can avoid that and still be a good muslim in the eyes of God God doesn't say Allah doesn't say you have to eat animals otherwise it's haram you say okay there's a we don't want them to suffer we want to do it this way why are you why are you going to all this trouble to not make an animal suffer when you can just not eat them they don't suffer at all it's always halal halal vegan food is always halal you never have to worry about how they're raised if the if the the butcher did the right job did it did it really quick it's always like this it's not the beginning this is tradition but you can change look you didn't have these headphones in the beginning you know you didn't have this mobile phone okay why don't you go back to the beginning original muslim original muslim wears your arm gound and your stick and you know no no no no no you change with you progress with technology and if they wrote the a different say label wrote a Quran these days you can adapt you can adapt you can still be a good muslim you don't have to eat animals you don't want to see these like videos yes this this what you don't agree with I don't agree with even getting a sharp knife okay and slashing an animal's throat open at all but this is wrong I know this is wrong yeah but you don't see it's fine what did you eat today where did you go chicken you got some chicken where from subway go to the subway chicken okay that's halal no I don't think so you're eating on halal food or somewhere yeah sometimes yeah okay so it's in England oh so you don't so brother brother brother so you told me at the start right I don't mind I don't mind maybe you just said a bit but you said that the it's only halal and it's slaughtered orthodox halal so you said sharp knife they don't see anything the slaughterhouses here don't slaughter their birds in the orthodox halal way they hang them up upside down they slash it I don't know this is like have you ever seen birds be slaughtered here or raised here they're raised in factory farms here so they're already suffering there's always suffering in factory farms so you see that so you're not even living halal yeah do you drink alcohol no you don't drink alcohol ever have you ever drunk alcohol never but you eat haram chicken from subway yeah okay so you know so what I'm saying is like haram I save a small land and I eat I don't have either you say you say something beforehand yeah because I don't have a choice you know I'm not in my car well at sub at that subway you can have a vegan choice so you do have a choice at subway they've got the vegan padding they've got the vegan meatless meatball no there's not well there's less protein in a well how much protein do you need dude 160 grams you don't need you don't need 300 I showed you hench over he's not even eating 300 grams of protein he's he's this big the guy is this big he's this tall I know he's like he's at least hench over what should I eat yeah so do you track your you track your protein on chronometer no do you use this app so you can use this app here like if you probably don't even know exactly how much protein you're getting a day you're assuming you're getting 300 grams but you might not be no no no no 300 like 200 yeah 200 is better 300 is ridiculous like that's unhealthy it's not you don't need it you body won't use it you won't use it but you can use this app here it's your body won't use that much protein in a day it just it can't but this is up here chronometer nutrition tracker okay so you can you can get you can put in all your stuff into the nutrition tracker you can get vegan meat you can get vegan chicken it's called chronometer chronometer I was I was getting 100 between 150 180 grams of protein each day when I was training you build it yeah I was building muscle I was you know I was training I looked okay I didn't okay it's good you know to be vegan because everything is available in my country you know you don't have a choice you don't have a lot of choice you just said to me right when you're on a subway that you don't have a choice between to get halal but you can always get vegan that subway here yeah yeah I mean in my country when I go yeah where do you live kuey kuey kuey I know it's kuey whereabouts is kuey next to Dubai so it's difficult it might be you can get lots of you get falafel you get is it falafel uh halloumi is not vegan halloumi is made of dairy so they kill those they slaughter those dairy cows too this is another thing dairy you drinking milk now so the dairy cows the yeah the dairy cows they they had the calves taken and then they they take the milk okay and then when they can't produce milk anymore they slaughter them they say they bolt gun them they slaughter them so there's always suffering in dairy because they're taking the children after they keep them pregnant take the children keep them pregnant take the children take the milk take the milk they um and then they slaughter them so So dairy, I don't know. I don't drink milk always, because I drink, you know, the almond milk. Yeah, that's good, better. I don't like the milk always, you know, even with the protein shakes. Yeah. I mean, like, all I'm saying is, like, milk is suffering, and it's not halal. Like, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, in the egg industry, is the egg industry is always suffering, because these egg laying hens, they're suffering in these farms, in these barns, you never see it, you never see it with your eyes, and then they go get slaughtered. I don't think there's a dozen care about feelings or anything. They just sell them, that's it. Get money, that's it. If you think of your religion as trying its best to make the animal not suffer, you think of your religion, right? They're saying, they're saying, hello, you know, make sure they don't suffer, they don't see each other, they're not scared, okay? This is what they're trying to do. It doesn't exist in this reality. It's not during, but in the, you know. They're trying to find the best way to take the animal's life, because it's about compassion, okay? Then what's more compassionate about it than just not leaving the animal as it is? And then? Leaving him in the sanctuary, leave him and be. Don't cut their head off at all. What's more compassionate than that? What for? Well, why would you care if an animal suffers? I don't want him to suffer, I want him. So why would you care? I want to eat him, that's it. Yeah, but you know, you want to eat meat. You want to eat some tasty food, you want to eat tasty chicken. We can get tasty chicken vegan, you know? It's made of soybeans, it's made of plants. In Mac. Yeah, look. Vegan chicken? You can get... You're eating animal's food, yeah? How was that? You're eating animal's food, yeah? No, no, no, why, why? Because I eat plants? Yeah. I'd rather eat the plants than the animal. Vegan chicken, yeah. Yeah. So are you against animal cruelty? No, of course I am. Okay, then why are you against animal cruelty? You were against animal cruelty? Yeah, but we eat. You eat the animals, so... In the halal way, we're probably... Yeah, we just talked about halal. Yeah, we talked about halal. You kill them with a pen easily, we don't... You see, you guys electrocute them and stuff. So where do you live? We're from Boreng. Where are you eating here? Where are you eating here? Everywhere. Halal Nando's. Halal Nando's? Yeah, you also have meat liquor over here. They have halal chicken. Halal chicken, okay. So have you seen halal slaughterhouses here in the UK? No. So how do you know there's sauce that's being slaughtered with that pain? Well... You're assuming? I'm saying it's halal, so we eat. Yeah. It's their fault if it's not. They're negligent then. Well, wouldn't you want to know? Of course. So you can't guarantee it to me? If I can't guarantee it and I can prove it, I could... It could cost them millions because they claim it's halal. They're saying it's halal? But they're... Yeah, but you don't even know what halal guidelines are here. And... Halal, halal, halal, halal. They're raised in farms. It's a misrepresentation of halal. These animals are raised in big factory farms. Halal, halal chickens. You say there's no suffering in a factory farm? Of course there's suffering in there. That's how they make a living. And they cram them into trucks and they send them to a halal slaughterhouse to be hung upside down, have their throat slashed open and bleed out. Yeah, they die immediately. They don't feel any of that. They don't die immediately when they have their throat slashed open. They get electrically bathed or they... Yeah, we don't do that. We don't do that. That's not halal. Do you think they stun halal animals here? They stun halal animals here. We don't stun animals here. No stunning... There is. In the UK, they do stun... What do you think they do in the UK? No, because if you're eating halal lamb here, they stun three quarters of those lambs. There's only one quarter of the lambs that aren't stunned here. They have a different halal guidelines here in the UK. Well, it's their problem, you know. It's their problem because halal is a guide lamb. But essentially, I can just get a bit of human flesh, put halal stamp on there. You'll trust me and then you're eating a human too. It's your problem. It's not ours. It's their problem and it's illegal. Halal guidelines come from the bonds. It doesn't come from the country itself. It's illegal to do that. It's our religion that says that. Yeah, but I think when you think of halal, which is what we just discussed before, like I'm not a Muslim, but I looked into it a little bit because I'm an animal rights activist. I believe that animals deserve rights. So I've seen orthodox... And I literally saw a video of a guy putting his hands up a cow. What the hell was that? He's artificially inseminating the cow for dairy. So if you eat dairy products... Yeah, we don't do that. You don't eat any dairy. No cheese? No, of course we eat dairy. We don't do that. When you pay someone for dairy, you're funding this industry, so you have some responsibility here. These industries don't exist without you guys paying for it. So when you see this guy fisting the cow and you go in and buy dairy, you're paying for this cow to be violated, have their calf taken, so they impregnate them, take the calf away. If the calf's a boy, they kill the calf, they shoot the calf on the farm. I don't know if that's halal. They shoot the calf on the farm and then... So how about to shoot... Well, okay, well if you're... I mean, if you're hunting a bird, maybe, then you can die immediately, you know... What I'm saying is, if you're a Muslim, you can be a Muslim and a vegan. God doesn't say... You can. Yes, you can. You can. You can. It doesn't say in the Quran, you must eat animals. Yeah, but... It's not haram to be vegan. You're gonna have to kill a man in a halal way. Nice stuff. Peace, my brother. Take care, take care. Did you take this information? You don't have to eat meat to be a Muslim. You don't have to. It's not mandated. Did you know what I say? I am not. It's not mandatory for you. Some people prefer not to eat meat because they have cholesterol issues. Okay, well here's a good one. If meat contains cholesterol and saturated fat, it gives us heart disease, the number one killer of human beings. Why would God... Why would God, Allah, so Almighty Intelligent God, create animals to eat, for humans to eat, that suffer, feel pain and also contain cholesterol, saturated fat, which gives human beings the number one killer? Well, don't plant human... No, no, no, I'm asking you a question. We can go to plants if you think they feel pain. I think that's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, okay, go ahead. Use your smile in because you think a carrot feels the same as a lamb. It's ridiculous. That's why there's no halal slaughter of carrots, is there? Yeah. Is there halal slaughter of carrots? No, no, no, you're going somewhere else. Okay, well let's stick here, stick here. Heart disease, number one killer of human beings on Earth. It is, indeed. Okay. You do not exercise if you don't do anything. No, no, no, you don't. You can be exercising and eating bacon and get heart disease. Our ancestors and your ancestors ate plants. Yeah, of course they did. Just plants. They had a very high-fibre diet. I mean, they didn't just eat plants. They didn't just eat plants. But they also had a lifespan that was very low. They didn't have medicine and technology and they were dying really young. So I don't know if you want to do what the ancestors did. But if God created animals with products for you to eat, right, why is heart disease a number one killer of humans? I can, you know, I'm going to take you 180 degrees away from this. God also created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, but that's okay. But this is... Isn't it okay to eat meat? I'm not asking you... No, it's not, it's not. It's completely illogical. I'm saying, is it logical that God created animals to eat that also kill human beings if we eat too many of them? I mean... You don't even have to eat too many. You just have to add cholesterol to your diet. It raises your blood serum cholesterol and clogs your arteries and kills us. It's the number one killer of human beings. Yeah, because it's all artificial now, isn't it? Yeah, and all I'm saying, right? All hormones, added sugar... No, no, no, it's got nothing to do with that. Get grass-fed organic states. It's got cholesterol in it. Even fruits have preservatives on them now. It's got nothing to do with... Heart disease doesn't have anything to do with preservatives. It's cholesterol with saturated fat. Cancer is diseases. Cholesterol and... Cancer doesn't kill as many people as heart disease does in the world. Heart disease is the number one killer. Heart disease is the number one killer of human beings. I am with you. I am with you. Lots of people have it in their genes. So why the hell would animals... Eating animals kill human beings, you know? Most of those people are not educated. They don't move. They don't exercise. They don't do anything. Exercise is nothing to do with it. You just feel it at ten times. But my friend, I'm telling you, exercise has got nothing to do with your arteries clogging. You've got that biggest loser guy and the biggest loser trainer in America. He nearly died of a heart attack. He was 50 and he was fit as anything. Does your arteries can clog whether you move your body or not? Yeah, but do you see their diet? Where did they eat those bodybuilders? He's a healthy guy. Yeah, what did he eat? Healthy, but he was eating steak. He was eating bacon. Yeah, four times a day, yeah? I don't know. I don't know, just probably a normal standard diet where you're eating... Their diet is not standard. He's built for their... He's bodybuilders. He wasn't a bodybuilder. He wasn't a bodybuilder. He wasn't a bodybuilder. He was a fitness instructor. Yeah, that was great. We'll flash him up on the... Six meals a day and... They eat a lot. All of them contain meats. So are you saying all these people are dying of heart disease are eating six meals of meat a day? No, they're not all. I'm not saying all. I'm saying there's definitely other lifestyle factors, but the biggest factor is your blood cholesterol being raised by satiric fat and dietary cholesterol, which are in animal products. So why not promote, let's say, heart disease instead of... Well, I promote animal rights, OK? I care about... I'm just asking you for logic, right? Now, you can look outside of your religion for logic. OK, now, humans are... If you look in your religion, it's against animal cruelty. I mean, if you feed, if you even just give water to a dog, that kid, you know, there's something about heaven and doing that. OK, you're doing good for animals, OK? Now, your religion is trying its best to make sure animals don't suffer. OK, slash a really, really sharp knife. Don't let them get scared. OK, why would we mass breed and put them in sheds and kill them en masse just so you can have a five-minute meal if your religion cares about... Businesses. No, I want to talk about you. I want to talk about you. In our countries, we don't farm them and buses them. Where do you live? I live in Bahrain. So, you live there now? So, you're on holiday, basically? Where? You're on holiday here? No, I'm studying here. You're studying here? So, right now, in this country here, you're buying the meat and dairy from these farms that I'm showing? I mean, I just found out about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never knew this. Yeah. For example, fat fish, I mean fish fat. Omega-3s, but you can get Omega-3s from the same place the fish get it from. Where? The algae. And they make algae-based Omega-3 supplements. So, you don't have to murder the fish. You don't take in... I'm not a fan of greens. What do you mean? Like, not a fan of green food in general. Well, you don't have to necessarily eat green food. I recommend eating some green food or you're going to be unhealthy, but... Yeah, I know. I eat, like, a lot of bread, a lot of beans, a lot of legumes, a lot of mock meats. It's full of carbs. Carbs aren't bad. Your brain runs on... Starch turns into fat. Same thing. Yes. If you eat too much, too many calories, you'll gain fat, but I think carbohydrates have four calories per gramme and fat has nine calories per gramme and fat's already fat, so it's already going to store as fat. But carbs don't fill you up. They just last less than a year. Well, fat, no, no, I think whole food carbohydrates, like beans and legumes and whole grains are really satiating. I'd say if you go into Subway, right, you can get a vegan sub with meatless meatballs, right? And if you go into, like, you can get a vegan pizza at Pizza Hut with vegan cheese, you can... These are all the swap-outs, you know? There's ways you can eat if you want to be unhealthy, if you want to have a pizza with your friends that don't involve exploiting and killing animals. That's all I'm trying to... It's just like, look, over here, when you pick up a halal piece of meat, you can't guarantee where that's come from. Unless you've slaughtered the animal yourself. Even then, I'd still say, even if you slaughtered the animal yourself, it's completely needless. You don't need to. You don't need to cut an animal's head off to sustain yourself now. We've got technology, we've got access to food and water. True. You know? The Quran was written, I don't know when the Quran was written, a long time ago, right? Now we have access to food. There's no survival. You don't have to live off the herd of lamb. You know, obviously they thought killing animals was wrong. Otherwise, they wouldn't be trying to find this amazing way of doing it where they're not scared and not suffering and all these things. So they think your religion even says that animals have enough moral value not to get them scared and make them suffer or cause them pain. Yeah. So they think they have moral value. So why not just avoid eating them? So when you, let's just say I pay him right now to stab you. He's responsible for stabbing you but he wouldn't have stabbed you unless I paid him. Okay? So when you, yeah, so yeah, he still stab you. We're both responsible. I'm responsible for paying him to stab you and he's responsible for stabbing. So when you go into the supermarket and you pick up, you pay someone to cut a chicken's head off, you're morally responsible for that industry like everyone is. Because without you guys, without all of us to say the whole of Leeds stopped buying chicken, what are they gonna do with the chicken farms here? So if you told him to stab me. No, I paid him. Yeah. Like I paid him to stab me. As a... So he could steal my shoe and sell it. So if I go to the supermarket and buy that shoe, I've supported you. He's not the shoe. Yeah, I bought the shoe. No, no, no. I've just paid him to stab you so I can eat you. Oh, he could eat me. Oh yeah. Well, that's what you do onto a chicken. You pay someone to stab him so you can eat him. I do agree with you to stab him. Like if you, like look, you didn't, let's just say, let's just use a horrible example here. It's the fact that you're open-minded and you understand, you're educated. I'm aware, I'm aware. I'm educated a little bit. Like I'm not saying I know the Quran through and through, but I'm saying that I know that you can be vegan as a Muslim. I know that, you know, there's this principle of animal cruelty somewhere in there that you believe. We're against it. Yeah, you're against animal cruelty. And the Quranic... And against killing, as well. Against killing. And any way of... Where is the most suffering and killing happening on Earth? To what? To animals or something? Animals and human. It's animals. Yeah. One to three trillion marine animals and something like 74 billion land animals are being executed every single year. And in the Middle East. In the entire world. Okay. But where, mostly in the world? The entire world. Like, so it depends on how big the country is, obviously. It's just by population. But in the entire world, it's one to three trillion marine animals and about 74 billion land animals. Yes, see, for example, I'm against killing endangered species. Why? Because... Because you care about their species. Yeah, okay. I don't care about their species. I care about the individual. The individual, yeah. The individual being. Okay, yeah. It's like I don't care about a race of people. I care about the individuals within that race. I care about all human beings and the individuals. They all deserve the same rights. Yeah, I am. So when you see, like, a rhinoceros and a pig, I think they both have equal moral value, even if the rhinoceros is endangered. Because I could be like... But why don't you focus more on that? Because, you know... We could. Your resources are scarce, you know. Species, extension, animal agriculture, they're both linked. Yeah, you don't have enough money to support every single, you know, to, you know, to spread those TVs and posters everywhere and tell everyone about, for example, let's say pigs. But you... I do. I reach 7.5 million people a month on my Facebook. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's just me alone. There's a huge movement of us. I understand, but is it possible? I mean, you prefer if it was an endangered species that, you know, you're telling people not to kill or if it's pigs. People already care about endangered species. I don't have to convince you shooting an elephant is wrong. Do you care about a chicken? In some countries, yeah, I do care about a chicken. But you turn them into poo and put them in the toilet? See, I have birds. I have a cockatoo and a macaw. Yeah, so they're no... I care about birds. You care about birds. Yeah, another species. But when you eat a chicken, you're not caring about that chicken. Well, it's kind of dead, so how can I really care about that? You paid for them to die? I didn't pay for it to die. I just bought it from the supermarket. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying. Supply and demand chain. You're paying for this industry to kill chickens for you. I mean, your shirt, your jacket, your shoes, your cap. I've been doing this for a long time, my brother. Like, this argument here with clothes and... Do you buy your clothes from...? Well, even against, like, an Islam, although most people don't follow this rule, but we don't wear animal leather or animal fur. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Well, I guess that's... Would you equate making fabric to executing trillions of animals here? Would you say that's morally on par, the same thing? No. So, for example, you know, those expensive jackets and stuff, I disagree, you know, we kill a rare animal like tigers, for example. To make a car. Just to make some clothes. That's stupid. Yeah. So, like, killing an animal for their fur. I've been, you know, ivory trading. So, we don't wear fur, wool, leather, down, silk, anything made from an animal. The point is, the point we had a good conversation, I enjoyed the conversation with you guys. Like, look, I think you're good people. Like, I don't think you're bad people. We respect your opinion. Yeah, your opinion, yeah. I mean, look... And I do agree with you on some things. Yeah, like, look, it's pretty basic. Look, animals are being tortured and killed. They don't need to be. You can eat plants and you can be healthy and thrive, you know, and we don't have to mass-holocaust trillions of sentient beings for a five-minute sandwich that you'll forget about tomorrow. You know? I think it's a more compassionate way to live. So, obviously, you know, it was Hamilton, yeah? Yeah. So, his dog, Roscoff, you know... I don't know his dog, but I know who he is. Yeah, he said his dog was vegan now. Yeah, yeah. Dogs can be plant-based. If they formulate the diet correctly. If they think a dog consented or, you know, is that his vegan? It doesn't matter. As long as a dog has a good well-being... You choose. Well, let me put this to you, then, because this is a good thought experiment here. How about I shoot a dog in the head, chop them up into pieces to feed that to the dog so the dog eats meat? Would you be okay with that? No. Why not? You're okay with feeding other animals to a dog? Chickens, pigs, cows, fish are all fed to dogs and cats. Is that okay? I'd say no. Okay, so... Dogs don't exist in the wild. They're domesticated animals. They're used to. Oh, yeah, but I didn't care what happened a million years ago. I care what's happening now. They're domesticated animals, so we should feed them ethically. When they're in your moral... When they're... You're morally culpable for the animals that you're paying to kill to feed this animal. So if a dog can be healthy as a plant-based, you know, dogs are omnivores. They eat plants and meat. So if you can formulate plants to contain all the nutrients that meat contains, you can take the fiber out, you can add more protein, you can add supplements in there. Why not? Dog has good well-being. Vegan dogs can live long. So you know why I'm smiling? Why? I don't want to say that you've convinced me on some points, but I do agree with you on some points. I think about this. When people say, oh, cats... Oh, my God, the guy was feeding his cat vegan, right? Yeah. But if I was to go shoot a bunch of cats and feed it to that cat and say, okay, we'll feed them meat. I got that point. Speciesism is cool. Yeah, you're right on that point. So you know like racism, obviously, is like discriminating between races. Speciesism is discriminating between cats, pigs, dogs, fish, rhinoceros. As you said, endangered species, that's speciesism as well. I care about the tiger, I don't care about the pig, or, you know, most people don't. If there is just one last white grain or last... We do not focus on that. This is coming from, like, I know what you're saying. Like, it's something sentiment... Okay, we'll have... I'm the last of my particular race, okay? And then there's you, let's just say there's a lot more of your race. Yeah. Now, me and you are standing in the room. Who's got more moral value? Who should we execute? It's obviously... Should we just use it based on the fact that I'm the last of my race, that I get to survive or... No, but, I mean... You know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't carry moral weight. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. But we have to... You have to go, you have to... You know what, mate? Here you go. This has got some information on there. Challenge 22. Nice talking to you. Nice talking to you. Thank you. And just please... We'll blow your faces. What we had here was a productive conversation, and this can help so many people. You know how many Muslims follow me now and, like, we have these good conversations and I think they're important to have. Yes. Especially when it comes to... This is an important issue. Like, no one really talks about the animal rights issue. We're talking about politics and all this other stuff at the moment. The animals too often get forgotten, you know what I mean? And they don't have their voice. They can't talk like us. They're even some people from some countries. Yeah, exactly. There's some horrible things happening to humans as well. We could all agree that horrible things happen and most of us can agree horrible things happen to humans is bad, but most people wouldn't agree that horrible things happen to chickens is necessarily bad because they pay for it to happen, they eat their bodies and... You know? Hmm. I'm going to pack up now. Have a good one. Nice meeting you guys. Take care. OK, so we're packing up the screens now. We had a good day, good conversations. I'm going to leave a link for stands for change guide down below. So if anyone wants to do something like this, look, I don't need a group of people to do this. I only need me in the stands and that's it. So if anyone wants to do it, I'll leave a little guide and you can find out what batteries they use, what TVs they use, stands. You can get these signs printed. I've got all the templates down below. The brochures that I hand out to people, they'll all be in the same link. So check it out. You can start a little stands for change in your area. Get these stands, get a table, hand out some food if you want. Do it all in your style. It's not an organisation. It's just a little guide to help you do this and I think it's really effective. So happy activism.