 You are a bad man also. I am going live now Bad man bad Bad man long. Oh wait, that's actually a good thing. Have you played Metro Exodus and Metro Metro Mets and Destiny's wolf. Oh Should I wait for more people to get in so I mean they'll see it in the archive either way, right? Yeah, but I mean this is assuming because I mean some of the live audience I imagine probably won't bother watching the archive So we should give them a couple minutes. I have many a game to report on anyway, so what are we gonna talk about? Well, I don't know waller. What do you want to talk about today? brute in general brute brute that's totally what I said brute I am brute. Oh Oh, you know what we never actually did even though CJ guested after the time we made this thing I believe we're just really bad with this or I'm really bad with this But uh having all the guest choose who they think will be the most inconsistent character of episode nine We never did it with CJ, but now we can do it I'll have you know your fellow podcast members boxes voted for Poe and Snacks voted for Finn as the Character that would be most inconsistent. You're not allowed to pick Lando or Kylo because they're both the obvious choices hmm The most inconsistent character in episode nine. Yeah, which one do you think will be the one that's written in such a way that you'll be like What the hell? Well, I mean they can't well they can't make I even forgot her name now. This is how much I've erased it from my memory Ray Ray, yeah, they can't make her any more of a Mary Sue's so they can't they can't disappoint me there What if what if they kill you would that be the ultimate inconsistency? I? feel like She's like black they've already shit all over Poe's character Just pretend like nothing ever happened. She's just a black woman. No Yeah, trans black woman No point just like oh god, who's that person? Who's that woman who like was really really white? And she was like no, I'm trans black and then people found like pictures of her parents Yeah, I remember she was talking about how Star Wars was racist because Darth Vader was actually James Earl Jones and it's like no James Earl Jones was the voice actor He wasn't actually the face of Darth Vader Yeah, and she was making the argument that he turns white to what he accepts Luke is his son And it was like what are you talking about? Well, if any if no like Darth Vader was always white and the the actual the guy that portrayed him in the suit He's the one that got screwed over. Yeah, because he was played by you know guy Yeah, the press it was huge, but apparently he has a really thick accent so they wouldn't let him They wouldn't let him do Darth Vader's voice when his helmet came off, so they replaced him. He was a bit pissed off about that He's a name stuff. They dubbed his voice right in episode four Yeah, cuz it was embarrassing. He had the original voice, but it just sounded really awkward if you listen to it And so they just don't know that and they didn't tell him as well as far as I know until he saw it brutal But it's Rachel de la diesel. Oh Rachel dole's all those are that's her name. Yeah, okay. Oh dear. I just remember her being like really Transcendentally stupid. I literally just typed in transracial woman into Google and the second result was this news article Which is great. She'll delays all transracial woman's son resents her choices Oh dear So what's the choice then CJ I'm gonna go with Poe What's your reasons? Only in the sense. They've already shit all over his character enough And reduced him to better basically a laughing stock And I feel like they're gonna use him when they need to and then shit all over him when they need to do that as well I Don't have any complex reasoning for this really because I haven't given too much thought to the last Jedi kind of perched it Oh, it's okay. My memory. It's interesting because Poe now has the most votes actually Hmm Maybe it's just maybe it's just because of the way he was treated in the last film Well, you know like taking like The element of him that was sure and then saying oh, it's his flaw now Yeah, the thing that made him a good character and saying no this makes him bad Or just him acting correctly He was acting correctly throughout the entire film but the film insisting no Listen to these women who are perfect who are completely right and flawless and stunning and brave I'm assuming we'd all agree right that the most inconsistent character episode 8 would probably be Luke. I Think so, yeah, even though. Yeah, and as it would be look I'm curious if we'll actually even agree once episode 9 comes I wonder if we'll actually come to a consensus on who's the most broken character I feel like it's going to be Lando because no matter what they do with them It's going to be inconsistent Because if they if they go with the solo Lando Then it's already gonna be contradicting the original trilogy Imagine if you go with the original trilogy then they contradict solo Imagine they make him like the wise Obi-Wan character. He's like God must do this. It was like what the fuck But if you can use the force in the next movie Absolutely, just that's just normal now remember everyone can do it Is it is layer going to be in this one? Yeah, just all the all the footage is old So I don't exactly know how they're gonna generate dialogue. They probably get an impressionist to do a couple lines surely Maybe like if she turns around and then she says like really important plot related things and then she turns back around goes. Hello God it's gonna be so bad. I thought it would be wise to show this on stream. It was made between e-faps It's a rendition of the idea of Jared's head being used as a a nest or flying another one No, this is the same one. Oh, okay, but just it's just still super impressive. It really is amazing. I just love the idea That someone took the time out of their day Just because we made a joke on a five-hour podcast that lasted maybe six or seven seconds to draw Jared and Actually make his hair a nest for flying fox bats Our our audience is so they're amazing and they're Dain at the same time Your fans have so much time on their hands. Oh, yeah, it's like plus talent equals beautiful things That mean that you showed me of oh, oh, yeah, don't spoil no spoils. No we haven't showed it. Oh, sorry Sorry, and the rags and wolf haven't seen it yet either. Oh, right. Sorry, but it's amazing. It's really amazing Is everybody in the watch together as well? We're not we're not jumping in just yet, but I was just making sure Yes, I think I'm in yeah, I think rags isn't because he always actually has an icon unlike the rest of us plebs I'm hearing a slight echo You know, it's gone now. Let's go now. It's fine But yeah, I mean it's like with with we had an episode without wolf Which was just horrible because majorly was his replacement and you know, I thought I thought you were about to say I was his replacement No, um, I was like trying to jokingly talk about how you know, like the Jared appearance and the The live debate with the person we were covering and all the amazing memes made for a great like season 2 finale, so it's like season 3 episode 1 is this like horrifying debate with Majorly, I wasn't a huge fad of the EFAP season 3 episode 1 Do they have the same writers or I? Can assure you we do all the all the actors are back. It's just that The the actor who plays wolf was injured on set and he couldn't record episode 1 So they had to write him out People in the chat were even saying bring on Wolfbot Yeah I thought I thought it went well a lot of people thought it was like a bad episode because majorly was trolling us But I don't think you could argue that he would have gotten away with it. It was like We pulled him on so many of his statements like it wasn't like he just said a thing and we were just like that sounds fair moving on It's like no guys. He's tricking you or anything You went back on a lot and I thought it was amusing wait someone just said it's the pipe man is he in chat? Yeah, Voxus is in the chat Hello, but less a point man That came from that came from you guys didn't it? I want to describe this for you so we actually managed to get Jared on the show which was the greatest thing that has ever happened to me in my entire life and Because Voxus's profile picture has a pipe in it Apparently Jared took it upon himself to call him the pipe man, and then he said that he was very blessed And then he started calling him blessed pipe man And then the whole chat got in on it and everyone started calling him blessed pipe man And if you look in the comments section of any of his most recent videos Calling him the blessed pipe. Yeah Voxus. Yeah, poor Voxus is having like a mental breakdown during that whole Because he started getting spammed with it You have to pray he's lonely. He loves the attention Well, I was actually gonna say that's it's just a perfect lead-in. So I'm gonna play it If you guys have watched together up. Do you know that wrestling thing where it had me and oh You're gonna play part two. It's not part two It's something else that he made and it's just perfect for what's happening right now. Okay It's good that the pipe man is here as well. So you can enjoy this. Oh, no, is it what I think it's gonna be I Like that Jerry's a giant This this is art you cannot objectively judge this You're objectively wrong if you don't like this. Oh god, who are they gonna fight? Oh, I think it's just their introduction I just love the idea that you can actually character-create to this level where that is totally Voxus right there The effect lore I guess this instead of you know, the trolley trinity this just Jared and the holy pipe man As soon as like well just before he was revealed I was like, oh god It's gonna be him Is as Voxus said anything oh, he's just smiley-facing it's good that he's gonna have to embrace this personality because it is When you change the name of your channel to the holy pipe man Watching some of his videos are really good some of his some of his the jokes are really make me laugh You're a very entertaining mad Voxus. Oh, yeah, I should probably say that By the way, our guest today Forgot to I always forget to invite an ounce guest because I don't know we're just also chill He's been here before so you guys should know him and yes We were just looking at one of his fellow podcasters being immortalized into e-fab law Someone someone in the chat said when rags became ragged I was there when the rhino was milked by the psychic spiders. I was there Only in this show can you read those three sentences? It actually makes sense So yeah, um the plan for today, we're gonna check out a bunch of mean videos because We've got a bunch ready. Um, and then we're gonna be looking at Marcus Brown Lee because Because we've still done that on this show and they'll be wonderful and like I said the guest will be CJ Returning because we still have a problem of trying to get people to return While also trying to get new people and you know a season 3 he was in season 2 So you know you get like one guest per thing. That's how that works, right? 12 episodes per season. That's how we fap rolls But it was like a year has 12 months. It was 10 and 12 has 12 episodes And then no wait No, yeah, because quitting that the season 1 finale is when we talked to TRO and we're just episode 10 And then episode 24 was when we had Jared on so that's obviously the ending of season 2 Yeah, yeah, so season 1 was 10 episodes season 2 was 14 episodes Season 3 could be like 28 Wait, no 18. You're gonna have you're gonna have to you're gonna have to do a breaking bad Didn't split it into two parts because it's just so many episodes Yeah, and this just season 1 part 2 We've got so many like with so much foreshadowing and so many setups to take care of like We've got way too many characters, not enough development for a lot of them. It's a pretty tough writing process We need to resolve all those plot holes. Yep. We've had plenty of complaints about that You know Like we're exactly did the pipe man get the the pipe from, you know, is that's never explained And why are they farming rhinos? That's never explained to we need to really get on the right in for this show. It's fucking terrible We've been off movie when The bible of jaren jenis, but the podcast along the the movies Um Yeah, uh, so this is this video we we've had for ages I never played it because I always assumed it would get us stricken down immediately. There's still a small chance of that I'm just hoping that it doesn't happen because I uploaded the video Info on my channel and I didn't get any kind of claims or strikes. We should be good But it's I've shown rags and wolf ages ago But it'll be fun to watch again because the other thing is actually really flashy Remember it's called efap dance It's like a potential It's looked at I was like, oh, this could actually like work as an intro for um The actual show whatever is it? Is this the seizure inducing one? It is. Yeah, so this is going to be flashy So if there's anything you need to do to avoid that Go ahead and do it like Trigger warning. No, it'll probably be worth it. Whatever happens to you will probably be worth it. All right Oh, yeah, here's the he's saying that to someone being sold off to slavery. Whatever happens. It'll be worth it. Hey well I don't know People will be saying they want to you gotta be like major league. You gotta see the good and things. Yeah wolf slice and dives Yeah I would cry. Oh, yeah, there you go. I love this one I haven't seen this one yet Oh my goodness Oh It may seem strange but that video is literally a summation of all of efap Oh my goodness. It's like seasons one and two I believe or like season one and a half because CJ's in it, but the there's lore in this the part I found interesting Is where it shows the um Where's it? Dude the parallel you're drawing to academic work specifically regarding history and that's my area of expertise He was comment from joseph anderson's video. Remember we read it out and then we had him on Yeah, that's what this is Oh, man, and look at the way it feels. It just goes like That's a point of milk. Riders build the butterflies. Ride a butterfly milk. It's beautiful They'll do Kyle, Ben, Bilbo, and Ben I just I just want to draw attention to the fact that someone went out of their way to draw a picture of Michael Sierra as Kylo Ren Oh shit, did you see the one from the last uh efap wolf? Um, which one the one basically right at one point. Do you remember this rags where majorly said uh Kylo went bad when when the sun went down Yeah What he was referring to is when uh, the sun is depleted in force awakens, you know, and then um That's when and then that moment Kylo stabs Han Solo the way he said it was like, um It's just I kind of who's Well, I said he was like I said he was like a vampire. Yeah. Oh god He was like, yeah kind of like that Oh god, please I haven't I haven't seen it. Please show me I want to know Give me a sec. I am I am grabbing it. We showed on the last one, but I mean we gotta get Wolf needs to see it. I I need to I need to see this. Um Yeah, well, once he said it I was like Kyle Ben as a vampire Can't wait Oh my god Oh I love our audience. This is the best community ever I'm glad that our audience doesn't have like jobs or Guys stay the way you are never get married never have a family never have Single and on your So the next one is uh, I believe me and wolf have seen this Uh, it's weird watching because we did the recent, uh e-fap trailer reaction So in I haven't seen this yet. Oh, you're gonna love it Oh Someone just commented that on that video and e-man just happened to see it and he was like working on it Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo, do you love the repeats it yo yo yo Wait wait it's repeated all yeah Yo yo yo that many times Well, this is jered, we're talking about all that Yo yo yo yo yo yo, yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo y Abdullah Right now, it's wolf is such a badass. He is one cool fucking wolf Tell you that This is gonna be known as the e-fap guy who Jarrod yeah, I mean Apparently it has the power to knock off channels from their main personalities with even 50k subs What's Vox is up to is a 60k is this like a yet blessed pipe man seems to be Swarming That's actually a point as Vox is had any like people being like what the fuck is this blessed pipe man bullshit Who are these people? Where did they come from? He wasn't will Smith I couldn't tell the difference CJ did you say did you say that? People commented blessed pipe man on your podcast. Yeah on podcast and on streams and stuff. Yeah That's the power of Jarrod. I had no idea he would be able to make so many people hop onto that so quickly So This next one is nothing to do with us whatsoever of a friend of mine sent me it I just really sure and I thought it was funny enough that I'm just gonna play it here. No context. I Don't even really understand it myself, but it's amusing. Oh What is this We're gonna have to pause it for the audio That's hot I Would have actually given the last Jedi a good review if that's what really Yeah, this next one rags is seen but I actually think it's It's worthwhile. Do you remember the the inception of the future-telling spiders? That that stream Because he was he said something to the effect of can spiders really tell the future and then rags lost his mind So no consistency the guy who does the animations He's done a different take this time around instead of like drawings. It's like pictures to represent what we're saying and Let's just say it gets pretty amusing But this is absolutely just another one of those art forms that comes out of e-fab Memo hood. I don't know how to explain it. It just happens and it just works Hmm can spiders actually tell the future Okay No, no, all I'm saying is yeah spiders can probably tell the future Yeah, if it's in spite if spider-man can do it clearly spiders can do it as well Tell one something's been thrown in before he's been thrown That's flies that you bet that's your opinion flies Yeah, that's why I have so much trouble killing all the goddamn So they could take off like a shot and they have very fast reflexes People say Just imagine Saruman is a spider and Gandalf's like we can't use the Palantir Saruman shows up. He's a giant fucking splatter Well, yeah, well she lobbed clearly she would have killed Frodo if she could use the she couldn't tell the future She just oh wait spoilers. Sorry, Jay. You'll see the film eventually Time spider How many fucking like how is it that these people just have all these Butterfly milk spider I still can't get over the idea like if science tried to study spiders and their ability to Like guys, we seriously do the fucking concentrators You remember like the art forms for the memes they're evolving and going all different places Um, I've still got at least two left Now the chest go on with the spider oracle time What is time milk tastes like I don't know. I guess it depends on how far back you go in time We got a we got a movie one some ago As you can tell this is age of Ultron Oh This is the best I can do this is exactly what I wanted all of you against all of me How can you possibly hope to stop me like for Wolf to say Together Surprise they didn't do the bark Shit that needed to be responded to Rags Shit's inexcusable Yes Yep Beautiful these things stack up it took too long to get some these yeah, there's some people out there who are like Why have you looked at this one yet? It's like there's lots so many This one has been to be shown for ages. I don't know if you guys have heard this one Which is the literal like the Clone Wars, but with the e-fab law pasted on to it I've seen like the first 10 seconds and then it was like no I got away I don't want my expectations to be subverted This one's got some intense editing as well again, just just Appreciation out the wazoo, but we got I Haven't seen what I've said this is from but the thing is like fucking CIS is everywhere and they've got like a ring of Republic ships and then the good guys in the center of it obviously The characters and yeah, I'm gonna have to pause at least every like eight seconds or so Free it's fun enough to just be like I know that one We always get the fun missions. Oh, this isn't the fun part getting back to the square is the fun part Yeah, I remember my first week on the internet. I'm glad to see you 636 lay down cover fire at point three five I don't know how I'm not gonna get copyright claim, but we're trying Practically plague the episode Oh You fat pretty much a weird grape Pretty much too serious. What's the situation here? We've got no air cover two generals on the ground Beyond opposition and a massive bug surrounding us the enemy was more than prepared for our attacks So they knew our every move I'm sure general Skywalker and general Monday will make it to our position. We just have to make sure we're Please tell me I can't remember what the reveals are but I'm a buddy. You ready buddy? You're watching movies wrong Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Was that Elijah Wood and spy kids three of a look Still hill and they arrive Watching Oh, yeah, it is. I don't know whose icon that is. That's probably one of the These ones is he yeah, he's one of the clones, right? Let me If I go to your discord, let me see because I don't recognize that icon Yeah, he's like the number one player it's by kids 3d. I think it is right It's sad that I don't Character but who whose icon it is all I remember is he has 90 died lives and they all get drained I Think that movie came out in the same year is returned to the king as well. So it's like Elijah. What happened The best movie ever made the spy kids My kids 3d is amazing. It's the best movie ever. Yeah, I think these are discord peeps For children a nuanced little centrist boy I Just writes catchphrase. It's amazing No, good thing we saved bring it. Oh, yeah I love how Ryan Johnson just keeps appearing in the background. Oh, yeah I just love the idea that all of our enemies are just ugly bug people It's it's not a commentary on the character What sort of Hello there ladies and gentlemen You Well, what happened to you Oh god, does he don't recommend subscribing to Jared Genesis? Oh You want to turn down that music it'll probably get copyright claimed. Mmm. Oh, well, it might be too late for that then I think I'm the one that's behind on the watch together As long as it lets the video stay up will be okay, but it we're still have to cut it out in post or whatever Okay, someone said general queer Did they put it like in the background sounding as well? So many yeah, I don't know if you guys notice this, but yeah cynic snacks recently recently reached 69 69 subs Oh, okay. Good. Good. Don't get any more subs. What's the significance of that number? Yeah, what can you explain it to us? me You're asking the wrong guy. I don't understand. Yeah, I don't get it. Is there a meme there? Yes, you explain it in This is this is this is something you need to talk over with your parents. Okay. Yeah, um In a control in a comfortable environment. I Kind of like you comfortable. I hope I should probably save it for like The next e-fap, but I really want to show them the one that you've seen CJ It's just it's just it's fucking good. It's really good It might come at the cost of being like, you know less memes next time, but I just That will now that you keep teasing it now. I need to see it It's just I don't know how this is gonna work as well I'm gonna have to do loads of pausing which is gonna kind of be annoying, but hopefully maybe I can just like I think after well, you tried the pausing one on the the Darth Vader meme and It still got claimed. Oh that yeah, that's because of the music as well It really fucking likes music YouTube visuals It's like pretty consistent on with the whole nine ten second thing But music can be like three seconds or even two and it'll be less. Yeah, this one This one's got a song in the background and that's the problem depending on what song it is depends on like this stream Could literally go down if we're not careful because I don't every song has different rules For the copyright right like it'll be like it'll monetize it or it'll just get ready a video Um This one's just like so good the it has to be shown You live what is Monday, Matt? Oh? Oh, it's everyone horrible Who's the one to your left that's H. Bob a guy that doesn't look anything like him There's so many details in this one that it's just incredible, but wait every guy is H. Bob We're the guy that looks like the rat person from Harry Potter I couldn't remember his name. I was about to say worm tongue, but that's not good tail. Isn't it worm tail? Okay? Yeah, I go just a fantasy. No joke looks exactly the same as worm tail To every one of the chat that doesn't already know that Um So the I'm just gonna play this for a second so you can recognize something You see the fact that all of those are moving Yeah Do you understand that means only know because we pause too much you only one second to tell I know you can also get you see it back. They're all moving. Oh, okay. Now. I know what movie this is Oh, no, that's not important the part the point is they're all moving in different directions Which means he had an individual layer for every single one of these In in timeline, which that's already just like what the fuck are you doing? That's gonna take an extremely long and hard about a wick, but um Different sizes, too. Yeah, so it's gonna be Samuel Jackson. Do you think? Oh, that's not in it He's edited it. So it's just the fight scene and the he has one cut away, but it's not Samuel Jackson. It's something else Jared Yeah, I guess I'll just try and play it in like six to eight second increments Doing that burns such a rare resource that I couldn't really regard it as a source. I'm just to clarify. Have you guys seen this movie? Yes, right and I unfortunately watch the sequel. I have yes, I've seen I've seen the senior fucking love this scene Well, I have to play out sorry I gotta get this pause right for the people Get a bald spot on the picture the piss and who drew this whole thing up. They drew a backwards vision Oh, man, that's a lot of effort For anybody who doesn't know this is Kingsman the Secret Service, so I think that's what it's called It's the first Kingsman film. Yeah. Yeah, the only good one Well Notice but the video essay crowd is getting bloated with awful content creators Objective opinion pieces do not exist. Don't worry though, Joseph. I remember my fist video review, too We've already killed like down with thrust Joseph had us has been thrown off. I think he comes back later. You've got a Yeah, it's I can't do it well service on this because I can't pause it for all of us accurately only for me Like it'll only show the frames, but some of these jokes are literally on the screen for like a split second I'm not mad. Okay. Hi the fuck man. This is called My enjoyment of the film that's objective try again. Why is it your basic atheist in there? Is he? Yeah, I just saw his icon He was to the right Oh, he's attacking Stephen Crowder Can you see that in the background jack say he's fighting at mpc And it's important to know the sins sins gets tackled and thrown away and I go what the hell like He's not killed Yeah, I go Regardless, even do a back for you. Yeah. Yeah, it's a custom back. I stopped being used before it's usually all black Lose their distance What actually You got Yeah, destiny, but destiny's fighting Sargon. I think he wants the camera pans you can see it. Um I'm not 100% sure of who the one to the left of lee is I know it. Oh, oh is lee the the red one. Yeah. Yeah, who's the who's the one to the right? No, wait, so in the center of the screen is pop culture detective to the right of that I don't know and to the right of that is lee. Um, well, there's someone to the right of lee and like some Night. Oh, let's do my class. Oh Okay, I don't know who the one to the left is though. Oh chat saying that's sara z the other girl Oh, oh the the fly girl got it fly girl Somehow yeah, there you go sargo and destiny if I Wouldn't be a problem if not for the fact that these guerrilla walkers have She's like oh, she's killing the fly Stop that right now I'm telling you to stop it. It's brilliant. There's donkey fighting john Yeah, then jaren. Oh jaren's about to tackle me. I think he should not have done it Right, so this is where it gets a little bit confusing. We've pulled out in meta. It's matica fucking taking out monday mat The chat says we need more boobs down with thrusters and tizm. Uh, did you guys see quinton? Gun gun, that's not the issue here You can take any set of statistics and cherry pick it out come that proves the original statement trying I don't know if this is like a real chat or not Mola anime Oh, well, the you'll see now So Okay, you got you got i-fap for e-fap in the free You got er is lost on the milk because he couldn't come on e-fap It's it's just ripping with lol Oh my god, this is amazing all those bad movies in the background that as well And all the ones that he he drew all this. This is insane Yeah, then this these versions of you guys. This is original, right? I don't think this comes from anyone. Oh, yeah Yeah, this is all original. Yeah I would I would kill myself if I made content like this So A human trait helps you survive an environment that I think that's a looper looper. Yeah. Oh, oh, we got themes coming in Track Are you Moving on Oh, no, sorry, we just have the same old kylo. We always have what the hell Oh god shinobi and uh, oh shinobi's killing nostalgia critic. Yeah No, he hates nostalgia critic. I thought he made videos about nostalgia critic. Yeah Yeah, and then uh, I think it was the whole Uh, because grito said debating out is stupid Oh, right. I've got debating art as like a flame at his face Then you got tax and try to shoot me and hits grito, I guess get your ego out of the picture for two seconds And look at okay. Okay. I might need to pull it back again. Look at what jack sain is fighting the picture for two seconds He's fighting. Um, you'll maybe sucks who no no no Y mess was in there, but hold on Who is that? Hang on. I'll get it for you guys It's some weird wolf. Have you got um, I've only got one mess on the screen Have you got have you guys got my stream up because I've got the right frame. Yeah, I got it It's showing all I see now. That is though. Now it's changed. Oh the it's it's a straw man of wolf Oh I see it. Yeah, the literal straw man. He's fighting. Oh, that's actually fucking beautiful Wow That's incredible And then you've got yeah, he's fighting a different version. This is straw man rags now I think it says rags on there. You've got poet holdo fighting each other Some of it should be nearly impossible keeps it interesting Oh Um, so just right stabbed me with subjectivity that I Pulled the knife out and put it back in with objectivity, but listen to what he says what I say It's just funny the way he edited this keeps it interesting They're still subjective Why I think this guy's dead This guy's dead I think this guy's dead. Now. I know it seems impossible to watch movies wrong But they're wrong fringe And now this is this one's a little bit controversial because it goes back to my ukulele videos because people like arlo And the guy behind him, but they're two people who I criticized for their takes when ukulele Also, we got the quartering and angry joe fighting in the back. Yeah, that's a little Be said that all of this throwing ideas randomly It's on my screen. I think rags. You might be ahead of me because uh, the only problem is I'm just like Explaining it for people watching that as well as the yeah, that is angry joe in the quartering That'd be a movie bomb Both of the predators and me As long as we see predator rip people in half, it's worth it, right? Is that agn? Uh, I think it was yeah hang on Is that the right opinion? It's worth it, right Oh, yeah, so ign is response the response video is the axe I guess ign is the dead piece and then you got ryan and jj are fighting so they're left to me as well Yeah, and then the right opinion is fighting vox the jack is fighting a baller straw man And can you see the the baller straw man has little gas mask things on it? It's like actually true straw man visions of us See this is that called mola And Let's not forget their choice to add a cinematic set of black bars and this is perfect cutoff characters beating the shit out of Save so much Oh, wait, you guys are way ahead of me If uh, can you wait it's 227 for us on our watch together It rags if you draw it back to 220 see if it actually pulls me back with you All right Give it a second. I think that works. You guys are 220 227 I'm now. Yeah Yes, wait a minute. It's two minutes. Yeah, okay that works Maybe that's how we fix that it's because if I keep pulling it back it puts me out of sync with you guys As long as we see people in half it's worth it, right? Yeah, just again to clarify how long it would take to do all this like to attach all these different things I don't even know how to do it. It's absolutely insane work I would know how to do it. I would just never do it. It would take so long. This would be so time consuming And let's not forget their choice to add a cinematic set of black bars I'm pretty sure jay appreciates the camera Do you do you catch what I said there as well make sure he doesn't get up The gameplay in Selma is a waste of yeah, so joseph stabs soba with definition of a horror game And I stabbed him with that Oh, I'm sorry, what's I supposed to turn my brain off? He just killed the other straw man, they just get shot the whole video he's been fighting straw man is just To turn my brain off this is insane Punishing me for Piss off to say much about that He's got lines from every time we responded Now this is perfect. He takes the axe out of I hate everything Because he just doesn't care quentin just uses the friends like it's just like oh my god the themes of this video Oh Can you guys pull it back to like two four five just so we rethink again Yeah, I think when it's the little bitty starts and stops. Yeah That I don't quite catch it Stop acting like warrior this better not get a sequel. No quentin again I think it's becoming a running meme to have a quentin face with little x's on it as well With his tongue sticking out too If you made a movie it was really bad, but you had the theme of I feel like that would save the movie I gotta I gotta get this pulls right There it is You can see it on my stream at least So, um What do you think for like best the greatest meme in existence that might be the greatest That was so deep I mean the fact that he had to draw like backs for everyone's heads and even draw other pictures and shit I mean that's insane. That's the best meme and the investment in the lore as well I just do you remember I said something like um It was like the efab before the last one where I said it's gonna get to the point But one day someone grabs a bunch of quotes from all the things we've done and makes like one long line narrative It's like oh someone was making that like it's The amount of videos you had to watch to be able to have done that Like it's insane and just all the clever references and the amount of jokes that would have been missed By anybody because I've probably missed a bunch of them Everyone in the chat's clapping That's the best meme of basic That is really yeah I loved I loved the straw man ones. I know you can also really smartly done There's so much that went into it So the link for it I'll post in chat right now and then the links for all memes we've watched will eventually be in the description um His name is major bluetooth Major bluetooth. You're now the king of the means M-a-g-e-r. Yeah, may you may you Guess you I'm assuming is pronounced major. It could be major may maya I don't know. I feel I feel like this guy probably lost his job and failed his degree just to make this He might have had gameplay as a comment on the video saying god damn This is very well edited out of curiosity how many tracks we're there and he said there's 46 tracks in total Oh my god. Wow 46 video and 46 audio that actually might be a total of 92 tracks then assuming that's true damn But the most I've ever had like in total was maybe 16. Yeah, that's about my cap as well. I've had about Five six I think my cap is like Yeah, probably get up to about six things get crazy but um unbelievable amazing work What a way to cap off the meme section of this this efap. I'm coming up to one hour as well perfect, but uh Undying appreciation because these things make us laugh like crazy and they're also extremely well made to take time and talent It's unbelievable. You guys do this stuff but I mean the audience love it and you can sort of You know see that people love the shit out of this which must be fun at least Yeah, I remember we're bad people for laughing at memes like this Oh, I mean I was thinking you know the fact that like people are getting killed in that Anyone could just be like they laugh at the idea of killing their opposition Do you think somebody could could uh be like oh, this was a death threat I'm sure there's someone out there. You know how those people or not the ones that they I wouldn't be surprised if there's a subreddit where they just get like super hatred subreddit That's like You know that they laugh at memes where like people are getting murdered just because they disagree like you're all fucked up that is I'm sure a sensitive and I'm sure um But yeah, that that about concludes the the meme section We can actually like look at videos now if everyone's ready to go back to that reality That was that that was the reason this whole thing started But I see that it's gonna just become a show where we just look at memes all day eventually Before we do that though I do gotta say I can only be here for another couple hours or so Uh, then I gotta head out kind of early. Yeah. Yeah, I can be here for another two hours at least Yeah, that'll be good. That's the you have to make it for at least three otherwise the fans will hate Yeah Me and my friend are gonna go watch a movie We were supposed to do it on tuesday, but his boss threw a curveball at him. So now we're doing it tonight instead Of course. Um It's elita ball angel, right? Yeah, we're pretty sure it's not gonna be good, but I don't get to see him too often. So Yeah, we just watch movies together at least you can tell us And the and everyone whether or not it was yeah, don't worry everyone I'll watch the movie so you don't have to and then I'll tell you how bad it is next defap Objectively though objectively Yes, obviously. Oh Oh before also before since it was asked um I have played metro exodus. It's very good Uh, also played speck ops the line. Holy shit that game is amazing. Oh, I love that guy Um, I played a bit of kingdom come deliverance. I'm really liking it Played a bit of soul cal 6 really liking it Haven't played much of monster hunter world yet But it looks interesting. What was the other game I had That I know I played Oh, there wasn't one. Okay. Um metro exodus. Yeah, uh, Oh speck ops the line was really really good metro exodus I around Thirded the way through the game. I'm I think there's like three areas and I just got to the second one Uh, the story I got some criticisms of but I haven't finished it. So obviously I I can't speak of it completely But I'm really really liking it. So there was also but Oh, uh, just want to say the editing for my aquaman video is done. So I just need to render it and upload it So, oh, oh god, it's an hour before you leave for the movie Yeah, a whole hour and 55 minutes long. I really hate that movie. So Sorry to everyone that likes it. I'm going to make you not like it anymore But you're gonna you're you're taking away enjoyment from the world. How could you do that? I sure am and I I don't well because I hate that movie. So there you go. Wolf. That's mean You're watching movies wrong. You're just trying to sound smarter than other people Well, I I am but you know, it's a subjective I'm sure I'm sure someone's going to take that quote. Yeah, I am smarter than everyone It'll be with it as long as it ends up in a meme video at some point You stab somebody or something and just go I am smarter than everyone. Yeah Yeah, I'm smarter than everyone guys. Don't you know that I'm smarter than For anybody who's curious about Covering just rights video and objectivity, we will get around to it But I figure we should have a bit of a like delay on the objective subjective Discussion thing because we had like two or three faps the world about it So that wouldn't be a good night anyway because imagine if just right came again if he comes again, I want to He's never gonna talk to this again. I don't know. He came to us that first time You know, I don't have much respect for just right anymore Well, yeah, but he at least talked to us You won't I seriously doubt you'll do it again, but maybe but uh, yeah, we'll do that at some point in the future Someone said, yeah, I'm fucking better than you wolf. Kasper is God that I watched that video again recently the one where they melt down over 2016's election thing. It is so funny The gift that keeps on giving it's so fucking funny when they like This is you know, like they figured out like that means women voted like heavily for Trump If you're a woman and you voted for Trump, I'm fucking better than you It's like Anna Anna Anna Anna. She's like, I didn't know no Anna, I'll start respecting your opinion when you just admit the Armenian genocide actually happened That's they're like big controversial. Have they said anything publicly about that? Like uh, I there is a video out there of Anna screaming at someone in the audience who asked them about it Oh, right. Yeah, they're in the yeah. Yes. I've seen that That didn't well Well, no because she went on a screaming rant just because someone asked the question I'm cute. I can't remember though. Just is the is the public is she like we don't deny it or is it the they don't comment Well, I I don't know I think that shank is the one that actually denies it. I don't know about the other people But I also don't watch the young turks This is awkward because Anna is Armenian. Yeah. Yeah, so basically Armenia Anna has uh internalized genocide damn I'm sure we'll get an answer on that one day, but uh, yeah, so this is Funnily enough I think this this video is originally linked to me by voxis of all people Even though it could have come from anybody. I think it was him. He was a pipe man He will know but have you guys heard of I mentioned this? I think rags knows about this kind of wolf does you may on a way wolf You've definitely seen this actually because you've talked to me about it. So it's only quick but um Star Wars kids Is releasing shorts? I suppose. Oh god I don't know. I I can't watch this again. Sorry. You have no choice, but um, I hate it though I hate this so much. This is the worst thing So the idea is that they take the original scenes in the ot and take like Audio clips from them and then animate them and retell them Quote-unquote retell them now wolf no spoilers. We're gonna watch this and then we're just gonna You know, we're gonna draw a bit Sector for Zuko in to do this and that really irritates the hell out of me. It's just as bad as like 40k for kids Well, well, wait, wait. Yeah, it's good. You haven't seen it and same for rags Just it'll be interesting to see try not to like hang yourself It's bad just as long as you remember a new hope this may not go over well with you But yeah, so the idea is they're like kids check out these cool renditions of the old content It's like, okay, cool. It's called princess layer the rescue star wars galaxy of adventures. You guys ready? Okay Oh, my anus is ready I'm the Skywalker. I'm here to rescue you and I'll be pausing as well because obviously this will be fucking copyrighted to hell and back Mm. I skipped a bit It's a new rendition Yeah, everything's fine so far, you know, the the the art style is like, okay, kind of neat. I guess. Yeah In the galaxy of adventures sometimes the princess does the rescue Shut up So if it really it really makes me mad too because that guy That's the voice actor for like one of the best characters in avatar the last airbender and it really irritated me when I realized who that was so, uh, the line was Fuck I've forgotten it. We'll we'll play it again. But uh, uh, major bluetooth just did a super child redux. It's obviously relevant to his video Hey, thanks for checking out my video. You'll be glad to know that wasn't my first draft of the meme script Originally down with thrust had sound bites every time he came back, but I thought it was funnier if he said nothing We have no problem with him saying nothing He I believe he was stabbed with like the fucking uh much Fuck what's one of the things that he said much something month It was like a really stupid thing because he he like is he's down with thrust Does anyone in chat remember what he said? It's much I mean bluetooth probably remembers. I remember that part I'm really hoping something much something that he and he also did the whole You know more bigger thing or whatever the hell he said he says a lot I still can't believe that downward thrust is literally the reason why we binge watched all five pirates of the caribbean films Oh, shit. We can we didn't we didn't tell anybody about that. Yeah, we have wolf watched all five of the caribbean movies Uh, there are five first one's great That one's like I love the first one that one's like it's good. It's all right Third one lost its mind and went off the edge of a It didn't say the fourth one the fourth one. I was like maybe the fourth Matt as I remember no, it's like actually worse and then the fifth one I don't know what happened the fifth. It's a it's a nightmare the the parts of caribbean just it just goes It's like a sailing ship and then it just fucking dead straight goes crashing down to the ocean The whole time the whole time johnny depp can't even do the jack sparrow voice in the fifth one It's really weird Really weird, uh, if if you guys watch the first movie and he's seen with jack sparrow and then compare it to his voice in the fifth one It's like um I'm here to give me a ship like that, but then you go to the fifth one. It's like What are you doing? This is what I talk like do and you're like, oh god, and you know, what's really bad I didn't realize it The first time I saw it But the fifth the movie actually has a solo moment where it explains his last name and where he got everything he wears Fuck, yeah, um In case you don't know They do like a flashback where jack sparrow is young And his captain dies like jack sparrow's captain So he has to take over the ship and he sits atop the crow's nest commanding people to do things And the villain of the film sees him and is like He was sitting up there like like a little bird Like like a just a bird. It's like Like a sparrow This is like no, please And then uh When he beats the guy originally basically the entire crew give him one token each and it's basically his costume Like it constructs his costume It was It was really sad watching that series just plummet off the edge of a cliff because the first movie is amazing Has some problems, but it's it's amazing. And then second movie is like, all right This is good. Then the third movie is when it just leaves the universe They should have just killed it then They should have killed it after the first one. Yeah, this is the conundrum, right? As much as we like the second one if you have the second one you have to have the third one The third one is a nightmare So it's like just have the first one. Yeah, just have the first one The first one at least like it doesn't leave on a cliffhanger or anything Like it it's open just enough that you can make more movies, but you can also watch it as a standalone So you can just think like yeah and jack went off to do a bunch of adventures. Cool. That's that's what I'll assume Someone said it went off the world's end of wolf. Yes, it did. We'll call you jack So low Yeah, that's pretty much what it was Painful. Yes. Um back to pain in general I'm rescued in the galaxy of adventures. Sometimes the princess does the rest of my time Sometimes the princess does the rescuing. I'm not even a huge fan of the delivery Sometimes the princess I it's the rescuing. It's sad because that voice actor is really really good But he is not good in this And yeah, so nothing is good for this. I don't know if you remember this scene But yeah, luke fucks his gun up and then leia takes it off him and saves him I guess the galaxy of adventures Sometimes the princess does the rest of my time Do you remember when that happened? Hey, you remember this bit? Remember how luke tied himself up I don't What when did that happen? That is like this Like I don't think that happened either Oh, I guess that happened Wait, what? Thanks for rewriting history Like that's worse though. You guys remember this Just like I remember from the movie I don't even know what I don't like what Disney thanks for destroying star wars. Why do you hate? Why is now I never want? I never want to watch anything that has disney's name on it again because of what they've done to star wars Why do they have to ruin shit? Why do you buy things you hate? She was great without ruining all of the guy cat. Why'd you have to make it so the guy? Great, they didn't need to have a hole in that point. Why did you have to make every man an idiot? For a character who was already good guy walkers. Do you remember that scene? It's like great like everybody's doing something proactive She comes up with an idea and it puts them into a position where they nearly all die, but they get out of it As opposed to them nearly all dying all of them are doing things and do you remember like um What's the line back and forth between her and han where she's like um You're he says something like you're welcome. You're highness like They're all fucking with each other because they're all conflicting characters, but they're all strong And it's just like the idea that it's like this is not what happened. What are you doing? And I don't get it. Are they doing like she's like ray. She's bored of being rescued It's just annoying. It's like you don't need to make every guy an idiot She's actively annoyed at these people who just saved her Zuko never do this again, please You know what gets me is the fucking like the face they give han solo as she's jumped in like the face of I'm just so fucking useless I'm han solo. I do nothing. Where'd she go? Oh fuck off disney Yeah This just pissed everyone off I wonder why what are the like dislikes on this? Oh, yeah, 6.2k to 8.3k. So yeah, I think this was the first because I think there were some good ones at least to my knowledge Uh, because people in the comments were saying that this is the first one. They disliked and Yeah Comments is this out of season april fools Thanks blizzard for giving us that me Yeah, you got uh, you can show lair being awesome without making everyone else stupid You know like the original movie did the original trilogy presents lair as strong sassy and assertive along with the rest of the male cast Uh feminist revisioning makes male heroes totally inept because lair don't need no man keep running down your male characters And you won't have any left to mark Taking too many pointers from the last jedi Because they literally did the same thing there Give it purple hair and be done with it And a nose ring Yeah, look at it. Why are you tearing down luke skywalker another top color? This is not how I remember luke. It's like Doesn't that feel familiar? What can you say, you know Like what is they're obviously trying so so hard to promote this idea that the force is female Yeah, I don't know what the hell that's all about Not it's it's not but like obviously they're trying to attract women into Is that gonna be because apparently they don't anyway Is there gonna be a han solo version of this where they do an animation that makes him look like the smart one and everyone else is stupid They're gonna do it for luke as well No, they're gonna have a denaris come in. I'm sure I think they're gonna rewrite history so that han did in fact shoot first And he just and he shoots twice just to make sure it'll be that him and grito get along with each other and he says like They have to save what they love not destroy what they hate Yeah, like han goes to get his gun out and then lea says don't do that. It's it's violence and then he's like who are you? It's like we haven't met yet. I guess Disney stop But yeah, that's uh that thing exists and I guess that there you go because I think a lot of people wanted us to see it and What do you think our world is now slightly worse because of marketing this too? Like are they they're really trying to get girls into something that girls have always been able to get into Like what market are they trying to capture here with this stuff? I don't know like I said if there was like Four visions of this and like I said like I said it was called han solo the rescue luke skywalker the rescue And for some reason it would glorify that character while making the rest of them look like they didn't do much in the scene Then I would just be confused about the point of all of it, but i'm pretty sure this is this they're only doing this for lea People are putting a mouse and fire emojis It's like they're really upset that for the most part star wars fans are male like they really don't like that Like sorry that we just really like it. I don't know what to tell you. It's a problem Like that's not a good thing. That's that's not an acceptable thing that guys can't have good things. I guess Yeah, well, you know why they had fan chases that mostly men are fans So why there's just there's male characters in it being smart and clever and proactive and strong kind of that And that's why you have the gray and then you have annihilation the inferior female version of the gray Like seriously everyone in the chat who thinks annihilation is good first off. You're wrong second watch The gray because every top comment is now going to be about how you're wrong about annihilation They i'm sorry annihilation is one of the worst movies i've ever seen We have to make that video at some point so that we can actually we see now I I really wish we were recording when we watched that because the amount of times that we just burst out laughing Yeah, was Other than the bare scene where we were like What movie is oh, yeah The bare scene was the one part where it was like is this a good movie. Why what is this doing here? Just go on youtube and watch the bare scene Yeah, that's actually what I would recommend unless you want a really good laugh in which case Annihilation is really funny unintentionally um But yeah, we're gonna do something about annihilation one day same for arrival. Wait, that's happening Whenever I think I think jay is still setting up his podcast and once he does we'll probably be able to do that But you're you're pumped for that right? Well Oh, yeah It'll be a second debate because the major lee one counts now in EFAP history, maybe I guess that was sort of a debate I mean, it's the only because all the other debates have taken place either on wolf's channel or Not recorded So that was the first EFAP one. I think because we've disagreed but we've never had like a debate really have we What did did our debate with uh, I hate everything take place before or after the not so great debate after But didn't leave before EFAP, but that was offline You know, I was saying like we haven't had we haven't had one of them on EFAP, I guess We're gonna do something about annihilation one day. This is a stressful statement I don't know what would be a funnier Prospect the fact that we use the not so great debate as a warm-up for I hate everything or the fact that we went from I hate every two like let's just get this random dude um Just right was after that, right? Was the third one. Uh, oh, yeah, just right was definitely after both of those. Oh, I guess snowman gaming counts is a debate, right? I wasn't really watching the debate though. Not really. No, not really But it was kind of like the just right conversation just not It was like a weird grape. It was a weird grape. Yeah, I agree It was definitely a weird grape, but I don't think it was like a debate. Oh someone posted annihilation bear emoji greater than wolf Oh boy creativity right there wolf get fucked I guess so um So anyway Someone in the chat was like he called him a boy He was really hung up about that wasn't it? I don't He was hung up about a lot of things, but I I still can't believe the moment where like we both kind of realized. Oh my god. He's crying He's crying over the last jedi. You're one of a He was on the verge of tears. You could tell I was like, man, that's a pretty sure he actually did like Have like that choking sound you make when you're trying to bite back a sub Yeah, that's like what? Well, like yeah, because you could tell though that we were talking to somebody star wars was intrinsic to their heart like I can't remember if we got out of him if he actually disliked any of the movies and a cj I don't know if you've seen that video. So um, I don't know if you're confused about all this But we me and wolf talked to slash debated a guy random dude about tlj at one point and like We weren't exactly I wouldn't describe any of us as heated or um angry Well, maybe me because he was like Like he for for context, um He came to me for three days in a row basically demanding that I would debate him and then eventually that turned into demanding that both me and mauler debate him And I woke up one morning at like five or six in the morning And my phone was blown up with messages from him demanding a debate And he wouldn't stop message like I went to class and he was messaging me while I was trying to do my work on my computer and I was like, oh my god. I just hate you. So I was pretty I was very mad already so People criticized me on that for being a little too Uh, I guess in sin and yeah, sure. Well, you'll go with that tizmic with him um But the context is I was already infuriated with him because for three days at that point He'd been harassing me to have a stupid debate with him and I'm like, okay If we're gonna do it, you're gonna get eviscerated In front of thousands of people huh um Okay, and we we had the conversation on uh, he started getting like possibly choked up a couple times And we were like uh We unintentionally made him cry because I I told him uh, we brought up the leia flying scene and He was I said it was stupid and he was like it's not stupid and I was like, yes It is stupid And he started like Choking back sobs. Yeah, it was tough man. Oh wow. It was amazing That was tough to watch but like at one point to give you an idea of like I guess his mindset he was like shocked to find out that me and wolf wouldn't be buying the last Jedi on blu-ray We were like, why would you do that and he was like star wars and it's like I think you even had a line that's something to the effect of um, that just informs this entire argument Yeah, it's the Star Wars was an amazing story that managed to sell toys and become a label or franchise And now that like label is selling things that are just shit And he also pronounced asking wrong. So he would constantly say I am axing you What do you think of the fanatical star wars? What was it? Is something really stupid fanatical star wars? Yeah, disney fanatical star wars universe. It's like what in the hell does that mean? He was being fanatical for disney star wars, which is odd It's funny. Well crying because people won't buy a blu-ray if your film is It's not even your film. It's somebody else A film that you like Jesus So did this take place, uh, live or was it someone? Yeah, it's actually Oh, yeah, yeah If you just look up at the not so great debate And it'll it'll be there Good times good history, but yeah when we get the arrival one done that'll be like, uh We've had a couple of debates at that point. I'll have to see oh, I see why that happens Yeah, and it looks like our our debate with uh, just right didn't really stick because he made his objective subjective video Sorry, yeah It's like oh It's terrible. I was just thinking like A couple days before he made that video like, you know, maybe I'll go back and I'll just write videos because I'll say there were quite a few videos before he went insane That I genuinely liked like his rocky video is really great I still think that he has some of the best hobbit videos on youtube Like when he makes a good video, he genuinely makes a really good video The thing that made me unsubscribe from him is his just lack of Um consistency and his hypocrisy so And then he made that video and it's like oh, well, you're still crazy. Got it. Hmm Bison dice my brother Bison dice Hey, hey I want to I want to shout that it is the next time I see a movie like captain marvels like Slice and dice People you always like shut the fuck up Someone's gonna put that in a new meme Oh, surely. I would hope so. You know what I hope I hope that in the next presidential election people just write in blessed pikeman The contact fox is like are you running for president? He's like It looks like um, it looks like elita the movie it wins Let's see weekend box office results elita barely wins battle with 34.3 million on historically weak weekend Oh Is there anything else that's come out this weekend? I can't remember if it's competing with anything like did it lose to something Something unlikely like some crappy comedy or something I don't know And I'm pretty certain elita is not gonna be good But it was marketed a little bit. I saw a trailer for elita like almost 19 times It started to get really annoying. I thought if it's leading Uh slowest president's day weekend at the box office in almost 20 years There's ways to go to make up as costly budget I was gonna say the budget of it must be through the roof Especially the marketing budget Like it was everywhere. I saw it literally in every form of marketing it popped up and um If any are said he liked elita really? Oh Am I going to be pleasantly surprised by this movie? Well, I I've heard a lot of people pleasantly surprised Yeah YMS said that he thought it was all right Uh, the action was good, but the plot was meh. I think that's what he said That's why I haven't I haven't read the manga. So I have no idea what I'm going into but Basically everybody I've talked everybody everybody who's talked uh about it to me has said plots meh Action and visual effects are great Also, yeah people say YMS said it was a 5 out of 10 the thing is with YMS is But he gives like Didn't he give a fucking infinity wall like a 6 out of 10? so Or or 5 he gave glass a 1 out of 10. I believe he did. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I got that was so retarded Glasses not deserve a 1 out of 10 mission impossible got a 3. I believe fallout Wasn't that bad? It wasn't bad. It wasn't what yeah, it was not bad at all. It was amazing This is I believe that's wolf's pick for film of 2018, right? Yeah, because there's only like five good films in 2018 Yeah, we need to that's something that's happening We're gonna there's a 40 minute review of mission impossible fallout We'll probably have a guest on we'll watch it and then watch that Because uh, I'm perfectly fine with watching that movie again. That movie was yeah I need to see it at first time. Oh, you'll you'll be happy with it. I think yeah I'll definitely oh god I mean, I haven't watched any other mission impossible movies. So that was my first one And it was good critical and I really liked it I haven't seen any since like the first two but years and years ago. Oh, you gave four out of five Oh, there you go Watch them if you gave four out of five, then that's the confirmation for wolf that he'll probably like a liter So jar said it had a good first half and a mess second half I don't know. I I I thought it was gonna be bad, but yeah, that sounds like it's at least passable Which is probably I I guess I'll tell everyone what it was like Next that's from efap All right Oh, and you know, I hasn't read the manga. So that's probably manga I gotta say manga otherwise people get me I haven't read the Jenga people people care way too much about their chinese cartoons Yeah, just Everyone's reading their sudoku So, um The person looks like scale bound has been resurrected as a nintendo. So my god, how long have we been going for scale to already hour and a half All right, let's get to it. All right. So our subject for today. There's two possible videos I found an extra one that I saw the beginning of and I just I want to see what happens when rags and wolf get exposed to it The second one is something that I've seen and cj seen a lot of it as well. I think Uh Mark brown who is if you did not know the foundation along with h bomb a guy for gadelb You'll notice what I've copied from them as parody when you see it But mark brown I got recommended him about a year before I started making review videos From a friend who was like he's like the best reviewer on the site I was like, okay, I checked him out and I remember watching the video and being like I fucking didn't learn a thing And it's like what do you mean? It's like what did he even say and he was like Mark brown would self proclaim to run a game Game-making tutorial channel. I suppose Now a lot of people are gonna like him and that is absolutely fair. I think that there's a lot to like about his channel He's aesthetically pleasing. He's a great little editor and graphics designer In fact, I would possibly pay him to edit some of my videos because I'd be like man. These are some slick graphics um Our issue with with with his work is less to do with the presentation And he's probably gonna be the best person we cover on efap so far outside of sarah z She's probably got the crown right now We we didn't I don't think it was public. I think it was just us in a call I was playing divinity at the time. I remember but we we went over his video about cuphead enemies That was and it was really frustrating that wolf's podcast Was it I think so. Yeah Because it was us and someone else it was like was smiler there uh possibly Well fringy no Could have just been us. I think it might have just been us three. I don't remember which episode My podcast that was yeah, it was definitely the cuphead one and basically it was The title of the video was how cuphead bosses Kill you I think or try to kill you And he basically just says that they attack you and you should avoid the attacks and they run in patterns And it's like you could apply it to literally anything ever and it's the well I mean we'll we'll check out Uh two videos from him at most more than likely this may be a shorter efap But that was another thing I should have mentioned the reason this efap is happening So closely after the previous one Is because uh, I won't be able to do one for about a week plus Uh post wednesday, so there'll be a bit of a gap before the one after this But you guys get a double one plenty of memes and then the other one was Not memes but had uh requested guests, you know, so it's like a double feature of things Someone said the one that we covered mark brown on is the one where we also covered downward thrust saying that gta 5 was failing Oh, yeah, oh god Yeah, gta 5 did it fail. Yeah for anybody who doesn't know the cj included Down with thrust made a video called gta 5 did it fail Now if you're on a way successful game Not clickbait on sexual it's I don't know. I think that was our like initial take. We were like, how could you possibly think this game failed? I'm confused that he had to like, uh, he had to like respond in his comments and then make a video after explaining himself Uh, it's obviously clickbait. But anyway, let us check out a video from mark brown This one's called following the little dotted line game makers toolkit. It's just a nice short eight minute video Uh, see what you guys think I hate it already the presentation beautiful Hi, this is mark brown with game makers toolkit a series on video game design I hate it. It sounds kind of arborist, isn't it? I hate it. It's like he's I thought he was doing like a bit for a second He sounds like he has a cold. This is my name Game makers toolkit I'll be trying to nail my impression of him for in the next gdelp. It's you have to keep the voice The first thing I did when I emerged from vault 111 in fallout 4 was deactivate the main quest. Okay And whenever someone gives me a mission those raiders that killed mary, they took a locket So if you could get it back Check doors. Mm-hmm. I deactivate that too Okay I'm doing this slightly mad thing because I had just been playing the witcher thrill and felt that the game's helpful Handholding quest information like the commands on the side of the screen the marker on the mini map and the magic gps trail To my next location was kind of spoiling the experience You know, you can turn all those off, right? He's going to mention that later, but the reason he doesn't mention it yet is because he's running a narrative here And it would spoil it You can literally go into the options menu and turn all of that Is he maker's toolkit? Like take this chap with the funny hairdo. He's given me some directions to my next quest point and he says Notice more pond near the village Path leads off from it. Follow that till you come across a lone rock Walk around that into the woods. Oh, someone said that you just do a tunnel random pause He does do them But mark knows how to do them and he knows how to Internate he knows how to speak Mark brown is the one that down with thrust is a bad clone of um I have a feeling mark brown is the one the style is crap with the short videos that cover one specific subject of flash random games on screen that um Have words that flash onto the screen when he says them like Fucking one of the ones the cerebral gaming or whatever I said, so the cerebellum gaming You just put it on the screen because it's just like that makes it more impactful But um, he does do pauses and he does do that and he does have random games Okay, got it pond boulder cart. I'm on it. Just want to let everyone know Um mark brown also made a video called the secret of mario's jump. That's that's spoilers Just so you know what kind of person they'll know all about that after this one Walk around that into the woods. Find the old cart. You're there Okay, got it pond boulder cart. I'm on it But as soon as we leave the conversation a dotted line appears on my mini map My god, just turn it off. Yeah, and I guess I have to find a large stone near the pond I had god dammit Geralt. I was just about to say that the quests in this game are often exciting Geralt's name. Yeah, that's awful He's already I'm sorry. He's already lost me. Hey, man You have to watch the whole video before you can judge it. That's what they say One of my favorite games man. I mean all you literally just go into the options menu and turn it off. He does Therefore, he's gonna mention it at the end. I don't know why he keeps it so far away from this bit It's confusing, but it's a part of his like the way he's going to introduce all this End up here, and I guess I have to find a large stone near the pond I had god dammit Geralt. I was just about to say that the quests in this game are often exciting and funny and thoughtful But getting to them just has you blindly stumbling from waypoint to waypoint. How are you blindly stumbling at the game? It's telling you where to go. It's not blind if you're actually going directly to the objective. Yeah, that's the opposite of blindly stumbling Oh my goodness You're fucking tired. That is the yeah, that is the opposite of blindly. You're following a trail a road You're going to you have a clear destination. You're going towards that destination There's like does he think that most people get up in the morning to go to work? And they just blindly stumble around the city until they find where they work I think what he should have if he was aiming to to try and explain it as a like You're following breadcrumbs. You're not looking at anything. That wouldn't be blind Um, I think he's trying to say like autopilot like you're not paying attention You're just following a line, but that wouldn't be blindly stuff. I don't know why I said blindly stumbling. Yeah, that's very It's in this game are often exciting and funny and thoughtful, but getting to them Just has you blindly stumbling from way point to way in chat someone said I'll try stumbling. That's a neat trick Someone said uh blindly stumbling straight toward an objective You idiot mark just has you blindly stumbling from way point to way point Not fully taking in this incredible world that cd project red has established I'm sorry that you aren't doing that. Yes. It's weird, right? So the idea is look at this He's got the he's got a disabled here. Yeah And it disables the entire hood And you can do both you can go You know you can travel to main objectives or second objectives and then also wander off the beaten path and discover new things I mean you can even if you want like certain things. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of things Individually disable about the or you can disable Yeah, no, he like I said, he does he does show it eventually which is weird But the other thing is that It's like he's just saying Us as players are staring so closely at that dotted line that we're not taking in the environment and I'm like May who I if I if I don't know how you guys do it, right? But for me, I'd be like I look at the minimap and I'm like straightforward Okay, straightforward eyes back to the center and just walk across like keep moving and looking around Yeah, I would constantly be looking around and then once a while maybe look back at the minimap like am I still going the right way? Yeah, cool. Okay. Oh, yeah every once in a while my eyes will glance at the minimap, but how many people are just staring at the minimap Yeah, I'm always staring at the surroundings like I'm back when my twitter still existed Um I mean I would post images from the witcher three all the time because I would wander around like the forest and mountains and Shit, and I just find points of the game that look gorgeous and I would screenshot it Mark, what are you doing strange? He wants to make a point about waypoints and I just like this setup. I'm like, but but but Just has you blindly stumbling from waypoint to waypoint Not fully taking in this incredible world that cd project red has established It's so hard to be truly immersed in a world like this when you spend most of your time Operating how is it hard to be immersed in this world? God you chose the witcher three is a world that's hard to be immersed in because of the dotted line On the minimap that you Is this started he's like I said it's gonna be interesting to see how he does it because I can't even remember now But he does account for that later It's not now truly immersed in a world like this when you spend most of your time Operating in this artificial video game layer that sits on top of everything else You could just press a button to turn it off Oh my god, I hate this video. All right, so now he's off witcher three. He's off witcher three We could concentrate that it's all good games with non-linear levels and big open worlds didn't used to be like this It's hard to believe there was once a time before floating arrows and minimaps But go back and play deus x and when paul denton says he I'm sorry the soundtrack This is so Soundtrack that he's playing over it. He's playing the Skellige song Is it really? Oh, it might be part of the unreleased tracks then. Oh, yeah, I got it on. I I've got on my computer because I Oh, I because I really know the the bass soundtrack really well, but I haven't heard this one because I Would you have a song it is he would have chosen it right and it's just it's setting a tone right now No, no, this is the art. No, this is the fallout 4 Um the fallout 4 uh rebuild renew is I knew it wasn't from the witch held renew. That's what this is So it's like this is something from the witcher three. It's fallout 4 Yeah, I'm all in favor of using a suitable soundtrack for what you're talking about What my criticism here is like dude, you're talking about a dotted line. You're like Like someone's died Yeah, it is it is very frozen sad, you know mini maps But go back and play deus x and when paul denton says he has a map for you I think I confused because this part here is similar to the and skellig part of the the unskelling Oh, you mean uh the fields of art skellig. Have you ever heard that? No, no, there's an and skellig and there's a fields of art skellig. There's two Music okay I'm not I can't think of the And when paul denton says he has a map for you He just means you now have an aerial photo in your notes and you'll have to figure out where you are Where your objective is and where to go by observing and investigating similarly And we know how that's always very fun in video games definitely doesn't make people frustrated Yeah, nobody gets lost or frustrated by not being able to get to what they want to do nobody on this planet Has a nine to five job And needs to take advantage of all the small time they have to play video games It can't be asked to fucking look around everywhere Yeah, when people That's the thing like when you're listening to that guy's instructions Like that's really like the one time it doesn't happen very often in the game That a character will give you specific instructions generally they'll be like, yeah, it's over here or oh I'll mark it on your map or something like that or when characters in a video game Like in the game tell your character where to go You know you go to this thing and turn left is like it's still extremely ambiguous And you don't really know especially if you're looking for like a specific item or a specific person And it's just sort of assumed that you know where they would be when there's no way you could figure it out Like if you went through video games with this mindset, yeah, sometimes it'll work But a lot of the times it will just not be possible It'll be frustrating and you will be stumbling around until you find what you will be blindly stumbling in that case Um, yeah, that's the problem is that this is a very one-sided argument right now Why do you think the dotted lines became a thing? But we're gonna let's let's let him get a bit You know, this is kind of reminding me of that, um Joseph Anderson horror video like You know how his argument was something to the effect of horror isn't horror unless you die permanently This is like an open world isn't immersive unless there's no quest markers Well, of course mark brown just like just found us would say well, it's just my opinion dude back off It's stupid. It's just opinion sucks. It doesn't matter. It's not presented as if it's just how he feels He keeps using words like we don't get immersed in this. It's like you don't I'm so sorry that you had trouble getting immersed in one of the most immersive games ever made. I'm sorry, man Elma is not a horror game So in your notes and you have to figure out where you are where your objective is and where sorry this music is Where you are where your objective is and where to go by observing and investigating Similarly the maps in the original thief were incomplete sketches covered in doodles and notes And then there's morrowind. You've got a map, but you get it. He's giving you examples of games where they're not as hand-holding Okay, just in case you weren't getting it Games that aged very well You've got a map, but it only shows you places you've been so if you need to get somewhere new You need to ask someone for directions or consult your journal or look at a signpost You actually have to be a part of the world and become immersed in the landscape Instead of simply following a trail of breadcrumbs You make your own way through vaard and fell and often end up finding secrets and surprises along the way That's called being lost. Yeah, I uh This is the thing man, like if you if you're on like a quest line where you're like I really want to go and fight that guy that's been building up whatever and then they're like He's around here somewhere. You're gonna have to go adventure. You're like, I want to know where he is Yeah, I think it Like does he understand that that would require Like us taking out an actual like notepad And like the player doing that is like go here then go here Because you're not going to commit all this to memory first off That's unlikely like it's called it's often why when you press tab or you go to the menu in a game The quest tab is journal As if this is all stuff that you've been writing down like this is information you need to retain so you keep it handy All of these markers and these quest lines They're giving you as the player the information that the character in the game would have they're conveying that to you It's that um the scenario he's advocating for exists and it's is valid There's a guy out there who says like I'd rather if I didn't have the directions. It's like, okay, cool All right, I'm gonna turn them off But the problem is mark brown is saying stuff like By having to search more around like adventure more you'll get more immersed It's like you can be but that can like pull the shit. Yeah, people get pulled out by that I'm like, fuck. Where do I have to fucking go? What is this person wearing? What's their name? Where did I go? What were the directions again? I forget What if you really don't want Or go ahead, sorry It's that's the thing when people when players are few things take players out of immersion Then when they're frustrated That is probably the number one thing that tapes that takes players out of a game Is when they get frustrated because the game isn't giving them the information they need And if you really don't want those quest markers a lot of games you can either if it there's not already an option to disable them You can like probably go into the games code and mod it or something A lot of games have like no HUD mods Yeah, a lot of hot buttons like again like the Witcher 3 one button disables Disables the head. I'd use it for screenshots I'm give me a second sign me out of my youtube I don't know why That's very strange. Yeah, I've signed back in. I'm just like Hopefully that happens every once in a while The stream's still up at least. Yeah, which is the the good thing. I was confused in there. I was like if I Um But yeah, the It's like four results in the simplest vision Loads of hand-holding and they like it loads of hand-holding and they don't like it No hand-holding and they like it no hand-holding and they hate it. It's just like there's no definitive take on like Oh, wait, they're all saying f now unless that's a joke guys. Don't be fucking with me. I'm watching the stream. It's still up All right, good. Yeah, I'm just saying f because you were signed out Yeah, still alive written baller long man yeah Again, it's not like it's hugely disagreeable. What he has said it's just too um It's the idea is as if there's like I said he knows for a fact that you can turn those off in the Witcher He's not going to tell us that yet because he's making his point Again for me. I'm just like what are you why are you doing it this way? Following a trail of breadcrumbs you make your own way through vaudean fett. I think you can turn them off in dark souls, can't you? Uh You just ignore them like a real man. Is it are there even Is it hand-holding elements in dark souls? Is it even is there even died lines and stuff like I don't think there is But yeah, you can turn on the hold out there I believe you can like literally take it off all permanently through um, at least any files I don't know if you can do it through the actual main menu I don't think it has any objective markers. Does it you just you are literally More about like the health bar the man. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah And become immersed in the landscape instead of simply following a trail of breadcrumbs You make your own way through vaudean fell and often end up finding secrets and surprises along the way What a shame that you can't get immersed in a world because there's a few games on a map I feel like this depends on what kind of what the main focus of the game is Um, I mean if it is mainly quest oriented and you're going from one place to another then fine But if it's something a bit more Um, I guess like open form like skyrim where you're supposed to wander around Maybe he has a point Well, as long as it's optional. I think that there's no problem because yeah, exactly Yeah, because then you get the players who don't want to wander around then the players who do Here's a recent example. I was playing resident evil 2 which is an okay game and nothing more I'm sorry people have such low standards But I was playing around. I was doing leon is like, all right. Let's go through again All right here. We're doing all the stuff doing the things betroy. Hey, it's for its third person resident evil 7 Except not scary. Okay. I can get so we're going through the game And you get pliers right and you get the pliers and you're supposed to use like these pliers these big You know this thing to take the like the the chains off of doors and there are two doors In the police station that you that you have to take the chains off of after you get these big bolt cutter thingies And I must have spent like 15 minutes going to every single fucking door Trying to find where is this second door that had the bolt That had chains on it that I could use my bolt cutters on And I was like, man This is a fucking drag Going back and back tracking to every room and every door because I didn't in my mind I couldn't remember where are both of the doors that have these chains on them And they weren't marked on the map every single fucking door. And I was like, well This is fun. Man. This really pulls me out of the game Awesome. I love no quest markers the complication about talking about immersion because it's uh I mean, you guys would agree it's entirely subjective, right the idea of Can't more and again use the map. It's um pretty much said, uh, it wasn't on the map. It's not on the map You know a good example that's pretty recent is metro exodus because it has like open world zones But you don't have a dotted line You just have a map that you can whip out and it'll show your player as a little arrow actually and because What was that? Oh, well Well, uh, the way it pulls up It's like you see your character's hands and he's holding the map and you can see a bit of the background From behind the map and when you turn it has the arrow turn on the map too. So you know where you're going So no dotted lines, no waypoint markers, but you know where to go um my suggestion which which is someone said in chat someone with bat in the name I've forgotten enough but um A dead space with the it's a choice. It's a very clean line And you can cycle what you want if it's like do you want to go to the save station? Upgrade station. It'll just take you to the nearest one. It's the most like look if you want it. It's there. Okay You're like, thank you And you know what I love about it is the this is more of a solution to dead spaces problem as opposed to a solution that All games have but you know the idea of um Sort of linear third person or first person whatever game and let's just say there's there's two corridors to go down You're like, oh one of these is going to be the dead end and one of these will be the actual way You walk fucking two steps left and then activates a cutscene and that's the end of that area So you'd never got to go in that other hallway because you never know because yeah, I really I really hate when that happens. Do you use the waypoint and the waypoint is like that's the proper way you go I'm going to check the not proper way first because I just want to see if there's loot Yeah, because you want to see what loot's over there So, you don't want to accidentally move on and then oh, well, I guess I got to replay the whole game Yeah, I leveled the dead door dead space waypoint system and if mark brown was like, yeah, but it Kind of takes you out of the immersive element because it's telling you where to go and I'm like, yeah, but optional bra Option a few games if you walk to the yes salty. I know if you walk to the door. Yeah, it's finding out which ones there are Yeah, it's like yes. Yeah, no wonder. Yeah. Duh, you fucking idiot Of course when you walk up to the door and see there are chains then obviously then yeah, you know That's the door with the chains. You've walked up to it rags. We can't insult our audiences I'm curious. Well, I'm sorry if he says something retarded No, the game's easy. Well, the game's like unfortunately too easy Will the top comment be about wolf's comments on annihilation of rags as comments on Resonable too. I'm sorry people really love this. Okay game We should be saying I mean, I really like black panther. I thought it was revolutionary. You're a liar and you're a charlatan Oh god, what's that? What's that quote from dv jones from the second movie? You're a liar and you'll never oh Uh bootstrap bell you are a liar and you'll spend an eternity on the ship I love that guy. Bill Nye man. He needs more work. Bill Nye is fantastic Yeah, too bad they ruined that character in the third Yeah, don't watch the third one just to save your image of dv jones Don't even watch the second one so that you don't have to be disappointed by the time you reach the third Wait, someone said you both want waypoints and no HUD I don't want no HUD I mean, I'm okay with it depends on the game because dead space doesn't have a HUD and I love that Also, technically really like a lot of games that have HUDs. So thinking about it dead space probably has One obvious from what my favorite HUD just the fact that it's yeah Yeah, dead space has like one of the best HUD systems I've ever seen in a game because it's all completely natural I like shows your health are on your back And there's like all lore reasons for why your HUD is like that. Yeah, I'm not against a HUD I'm not against it. I just uh, I do appreciate a little like I mean, I honestly feel like some people like kind of overblow Games that don't have HUDs like they hype them up better than they are We will read the super chat at the end. I just like the back-to-back ones here RE2 is a masterpiece rags. We just can't play video games and the next one. It's okay rags I just spies the car Resident Evil 2 is not difficult at all and I'm breezing through it without any problems. It's not difficult This is one part. I was like where the fuck is this place I need to go to It's it's really I it's I would the combat isn't really all that good at all in fact Well, you're obviously playing it wrong then I guess I guess because I'm constantly like dropping things because I get too much stuff because I'm not using up enough resources, but It's I like Resident Evil 7 better so far. So They're saying play hard core you scrub Oh Yeah, going into the game. I should have known how difficult the game was going to be I should have used the spider powers of telling the future Oh, uh, and someone suggested a shower the colossus. That's uh, it's quite nice You lift up your sword and it reflects the light from the sun to where you need to go next Um, sort of in universe reasons slash games and yeah, they said uh with that break immersion You'd have to ask mark brown. I think that he's okay with optional systems We'll have to see what he says because we're getting there. Well, this is our second pause So think of it as the third segment along the way A few games are still carrying that torch Science-based survival sim me as mutter for example offers you a map which is pieced together from yeah That's kind of like what the map was from metro exodus And yeah, and there's the thing for me is like I'm like, oh, that's really cool But then some guy could make a video where it's like games are getting too obsessed with making every detail vague And giving you barely anything to work with in terms of making your way And I just want to get to my goals. I want to complete. You know, someone could be making that video I'd be like, yeah, but But earlier on didn't mark brown here to decriticize the fact that maps only highlight where you've been to Well, the thing is I just find it interesting that there's clearly a dotted line right there, but I wonder if I think you say this is a good thing He said you don't get any information other than the the the things you've seen and it's reprinted onto the map but Could that not just be the same thing but with extra steps? Yeah, that's the same. Yeah, that's the same thing When your character gains information it appears on your HUD or in your journal um I suppose you had to explore it the first time at the very least and maybe he'd argue that that way you saw the environment at that point Yeah, but if he's getting directions from somebody the whole point is that you haven't like been there before Yeah, and there's there's still objective markers on the map, aren't there? I would imagine so but we'll see what he says. Yeah. Yeah me as Marta for example Offers you a map which is pieced together before we go on I want to ask Because Well, this will be a quick thing because it's something I saw in the chat and I haven't played resident evil 2 so rags would know um If you Are you able to change the difficulty or is it one of those games? I don't know I would have to start a whole new game. I haven't really checked because someone pointed out something in the chat Hold on. I gotta scroll up to see it. Um That we were just talking about how In the options menu we can literally turn off the HUD for the witcher 3 which makes mark brown's argument completely invalid um But if you're able to bump up the difficulty for resident evil 2, why don't you do that? I didn't know I had I didn't even check I might Okay, I don't know anything about the game. So I didn't know if it was one of those games I honestly started a new game to even yeah, if I'm just going through the game and just kind of progressing Then yeah, I generally don't even think about it Uh, Jay jay said there's no such thing as objective markers all markers are subjective That's your opinion and scrap the fucking dare you Jar Jar. No, wait, jj Big there's you a map which is pieced together from places You've been and scraps of paper you find but it refuses to show you your current position Unless you get to a good vantage point and triangulate your location by pointing to two known structures Oh, there you go. That's a bit more complicated than it just telling you I guess But this is the problem. He's scaling us. He's like saying you've got this then this then over here There's this and over here is this and I guess he's not going to say which one's the correct answer Just that these things are Well, weenies, sorry And scraps of paper you find but it refuses to show you your current position unless you get to a good vantage point And triangulate your location by pointing to two known structures or weenies Which as we know every map in video games and every set of directions in video games is accurate and precise enough for you To consistently be able to do that not only that how many people would find that so fucking annoying That sounds really frustrating that sounds really tedious Like i'm trying to be honest here like I could see myself having fun if I got myself nice and immersed but when you're like Not in the mood for that shit if you don't I mean you'd be like I would play something else I was like I'd like to go I just tell me where the thing is and I could go and experience the story or Do the combat there or get the go have the quest progress I don't want the getting to the things part to be like the tedious boring Oh, I spent half my time trying to get to the stuff that I need to do. This is fun Like where the fuck am I and like oh gotta triangulate my position again By pointing to two known structures or weenies if you watch the previous episode Again simply moving through the world requires skill and determination And there's a huge sense of reward when you reach your destination potentially I think it's just talking about a completely different genre of game though, isn't he Does feel as pointy. Yeah, kind of reminiscing Talking about like a hardcore survival exploration game Yeah, like there's no there's no like in like in daisy, right? You've got a big big world and you can get maps even online maps And there's no thing that says you are here. He has to be all right I'm here and the road splits off this way. I have to go this way if I want to get here I'll go that way I mean it does add a little it does add something to it But there is a level of tediousness and there is a level of frustration that comes with oh, I I didn't read the map right now I got to go all the way back and I can't just reload my game I have to you know, it takes a mince amount of time to correct a potential mistake I guess it would depend on how it's done because I mean, I'm sure that complicated A more complicated map system like the triangulation method He was just showing could work if it was implemented well like I've been playing Kingdom come deliverance lately and it's got a really super complicated Well compared to other games at least a sword fighting system But it's implemented really well. Is the poor is the poor screen showed you guys is the wrist, right? His wrist I was gonna say It looks like his fingers are melting through the paper It looks a little Something a little wrong here But yeah, it really depends on the execution of the method I mean on paper the whole triangulation method seems really annoying to me I'd rather just have like a fog over the map and then I get to explore Rather than have to do a big complicated process, but I don't know. I've never played this game. So I don't know how it works Vito said this is like Saying having to keep track of a year in meter in scum is hugely rewarding Most of us do not find that interesting Like yeah, you can make the argument you can go as far as you want, right? You can be like you have Exhaustion meters temperature meters and Food and energy meters illness percentage likelihood and That was like more and more things to take care of and you could be like that's not the same as Finding your way through a fucking place and I'd be like, yeah, but this is the tedium Aspect people find these things tedious Some people do when you have to be careful to find the right balance as we just said pretty much Someone in the chat said I read a map. I broke my wrist I'm curious what his conclusion is gonna be because Seems like he's demonizing the dotted line, which I don't think is fair. You reach your destination But okay, those are arcane retro games and high concept indies What about modern triple a open worlders that feel the need to offer dynamically updated maps and helpful hints? We like that imagine imagine using shadow of mordor Open game That is hardly an open world Maps those are good. We like those keep doing those please It's like on one end of the spectrum You've got the one that has basically 10 versions of markers on screen something obstructive that nobody would deny Let's just say a hundred markers on screen In different ways and then the other end of the spectrum You've got literally zero in a in a map the size of a literal earth and you're told to go to a hatch In somewhere you'd be like, okay. I need a direction and they're like nope Immersion like both of those we can hopefully most if not everyone can agree that both of those are a terrible thing So it's like so where's the correct thing? It's like it's pretty hard to A Open worlders that feel the need to offer dynamically updated maps and helpful hints in the name of accessibility Well, how about more optional quests that shun such navigational aids and encourage devoted players to really engage with the world Like the treasure maps you find in games like red dead redemption. It's like the happy vision though He's like it'll encourage you to engage with the world. What about that guy who's like, where the fuck am I supposed to go? And it's like the game told you it's like, uh, he said go to the yellow stone near the the river and follow it down He's like, I fucking I don't know. I missed that What if it's a shitty map I just Maybe this is like, uh An argument for you know, like the journalists of cuphead like the idea that someone should be able to discern this And if they can't then maybe they should be playing video games All right, so This is a real world example here. I do a lot of hiking. I do a lot of uh trail Uh walking a lot of stuff like that and a lot of times we go to parks and things of that nature And we get the little brochure pamphlet leaflet maps they have of all the trails and stuff Some of them are really crap. Some of the ones that we get from the information kiosks and You know visitor centers, some of them are really shitty And it can be confusing to follow the maps because of how poorly they can be designed or how bad the scale is Or the symbols that are on the map compared to like what's on the trails themselves So he's assuming all of this with the idea that the maps the player will get Will be very very good and understandable when maps are not all like that some maps are shit And they could like if you get if you want to go on a you know a trail And you're like, hey, let's hike for you know a eight 10 miles today You better be pretty damn sure when you set off That you don't you know fuck it up or else you've got a lot of time Going back and trying to get back on track. Are you suggesting you might end up stumbling blindly? Yes, oh I've heard that's bad. Yeah um short of Roman force that star citizen has planet-sized maps, but it also uses waypoints because it's not retarded Like okay Skyrim and assassin's creed black flag The idea with these is that you get a scrap of paper which directs you to some hidden booty The map might have a crude drawing of some landmass or a rock or a tree and that's about it They do that resident evil seven as well. You find the photos But these are like secondary like optional things for people to find. Yeah, like exactly Imagine if the main quests were delivered this way. Well, he's that's what he opened this way I believe he said like how about some more of these optional quests and then it's just like, what do you mean? Are you saying As a fix is that is that what you're saying? Like what does he like? What does he exactly say a stability? Well, how about more optional quests? Yes, he's just like how about more of these? It's like, uh Here's a fallout dead space. I don't know. I don't really know Well, let's go back to a previous example. He had in fallout four There's that farmer saying go get this locket that the raider stole from me If if you don't know on the map where the raider camp is You couldn't you might not find it for hours and hours later Yeah, he's suggesting that that's almost he actually does sort of say that's what's been happening to him on fallout Um, and he's suggesting that that's actually like a It's not that it's a bad because he's saying it's a good experience. It's like, you're not wrong It's a different experience Like I want to do a thing. I have to Kind of guess where that thing might be You have the two guys and you're like you got to wander around until you find that bandit camp And one of them is like sweet. I'll enjoy looking around in the map and when I find them I find them The other guy's like, can you just tell me where it is? You know, like So so subjective as to whether or not this is superior It's like you need both There's an event in um, there's an event in fallout 76 where like robots attack a location And you go to the location and kill the robots But you have to find out where they're coming from and there's like three possible places that they're going to So you have to check them all If you didn't have quest markers on each of those spots Then it would just it would be You'd have to randomly just find of all the locations on the map The one place where they might be coming from because they could be half the map away I'll be I will go for a little bit because Paper which directs you to some hidden booty the map might have a crude drawing of some landmass or a rock or a tree And that's about it You then need to scour the landscape and find the real world equivalent of this drawing You'll have to figure it out yourself with no hints no map markers What do you mean with no hints you have a map? Yeah, that is the hint. That is the hint The fucking map you're looking at This is a strange thing to say Oh Hints response theory with this hint and no other I guess he means I guess he means like no hint as to where it is on the overall map I assume he just means nothing additional to that. I guess Yeah without more hints he should have said without more hints It's it's only one hint. It reminds me of totals Are you telling me that this landmass with the noose hanging from the tree is the hanging rock? Totals quote where he says common but not too common The delivery fucks it because it's supposed to be common but not too common The whole lack of being a human I just put map response theory Map response. Let's look at it through map lens guys no map markers. No hand holding They're fun because they encourage you to really study and explore the game's world And they also have a nice byproduct in that they delay the gratification of getting a reward Like finding keys to open lockers in yakuza or hitting goddess stones to unlock goddess chests in skyward sword Putting an extra step in before finding a reward makes it all the more sweet. That's so subjective There was a dotted line on that map as well Yeah Yeah, that's one thing But the idea is like you've got the key the key opens a door that opens the room that has a key in it That opens the box upstairs that opens up to a key. You'd be like, okay. Okay. You're fucking with me Or some guy goes no it delays the gratification That's one way of looking at it I guess It just means the game takes longer It's just delaying me more Step in before finding a reward makes it all the more sweeter Anyway, I always cherish these scraps of paper in games because they give me a chance to slow down Take in the environment and figure things out for myself The other way to encourage proper exploration is with Why do you have to say proper explanation? The proper exploration Proper that's one we haven't put in the list is it? We had Real actual What was the three? It was real actual and arguably arguably Because proper we'll have to put in now. What was the third one chats at least gonna remember it. I hope real genuine genuine if a door is locked It's it's locked. It doesn't real actual and genuine and proper. They're my four favorite words to describe anything Because they mean fuck all Small scavenger, which I don't I need to put that on there if I haven't before The five horsemen the thing is right you'll you'll find that me rags and will probably use those in the past But you'll know that if you ask us on it, we'll probably be like oh What I meant is this and then you'd be like why don't you say that and we'll be like Probably should have I don't know Real actual genuine proper legitimate None of them mean anything to you because you're just like what do you mean by that? The actual thing the genuine thing, you know Is he saying we're exploring games wrong? Apparently you get to genuinely properly legitimately explore when you do it this way Exploration is with small scavenger hunts that don't actually count as quests Sometimes they're that's actually the correct use of actually but they because that would be appropriate if it's true I'm just saying because like you can't use it. I don't want to fucking say you can't use these words Actually count as quests sometimes they're called hidden quests or unlisted quests by the fans One of my most memorable moments in Fallout 3 took place in the Anchorage Memorial Museum I hacked into this computer and found a note about a hidden stash behind a busted storage door near the service entrance I'd clinic on the door which is a wow. It's clever But also there's an operating table and x-rays on the wall and kind of ruins it because It said clinic on the door. You're like the idea that you discern it from these things. It's like, but it's a clinic on the door Yeah, that's yeah, that's really clever what they did Putting all of these hospital themed items into a clinic That was really that was really clever changing screen and a scalpel in the locker Wow, see how playing in this fashion encourages you to read the world who just has a scalpel in their locker I think It's a failure on the player if there's things to read in the world and they choose to stare at the dotted line That's there to help if they need it Like man, you don't have to look at the dotted line. Okay It's there to help if you need it Does it take a lot of skill if you Like walk into a room and there's an operating table And a lot of medical themed instruments and lights and all this stuff around and you're like, oh This is this is a hospital Oh, is that really uh, is that a really does that take a lot of player skill to piece together really? Someone mentioned the the things in bio shocks for maybe pick up an audio diary and they'd be like, um I hid my stash in my room with a code number three three one three Then you go to a room that's locked and it's like, what's the code you go three three one three? It opens and you're like, okay they're like Is mark brown like hoping to get more stuff like that because i'm not against it. I just it's weird Glorify it to this degree the player for this Well, the dotted line is what he's playing which by the way bio shock has a dotted line Equivalent just you to read the world in a very different bilbo mappings organic way Anyway, inside the safe is a component which lets me open the door and behind that door is some goodies a key and a note Pointing me to a refrigerator which I find and open to get my prize a big load of bottle caps and a recipe for mylurk cakes Well, turns out the recipe is just an easter egg an inside joke of Bethesda I didn't care the real reward was a chance to engage my brain to study. What about the guy who did all that? Mark brown, I don't think there's a whole lot of brain engagement in your videos Seriously though, like I think I would have had his reaction personally I like the idea of going on a treasure hunt and then at the end is a joke I'd be like, oh, that's cool. But what about the dude who's like, wow, what a waste of fucking time Yeah, I got to the end. I'm like a recipe for my alert my alert cakes. Oh Okay, let's hope it defied like a weapon Oh, hooray Some people love finding easter eggs. That's that's what I'm saying He's portraying it like there's only the one result, but there's so many results from doing something like that Um, is he saying that he's got some money out of it. Is he saying that every quest should be like this? I don't know The problem with mark brown, you don't necessarily know what he's standing for Maybe he maybe he'll explain what was the chance to engage my brain to study the surroundings and to follow clues instead of breadcrumbs Um, so that's why you're just doing what notes do you do The note said go here. Go here. Go do this and you're okay, and then you did it This clip here just reminds me of the uh, all people Take my opinion of fallout every day than people listen to their entire life. I just remember this is the visual Yeah But it's true guys. I I loved snowman gaming's response to that like That's classic So that's why I'm wandering the wasteland in fallout 4 without waypoints and quest markers I want to be led by my own good luck. I'm not by a compass I want to find interesting notes and follow scavenger hunts, but using my own powers of investigation I want to see some interesting building over the horizon The waypoint never stopped you Designed for people to do that like this is insane. I know but have you guys ever had a waypoint in fallout because I play through all of three Uh, do you ever have a waypoint and go? You know what I'm just going to go look over here a sec because this looks kind of interesting Yeah, of course. I I know that I had to go specifically right to that waypoint right now I had no choice no matter what I'm suggesting is like I think that's what most players do They like oh that's where I gotta go from the line Oh mark some interesting building over the horizon Just go see what fun treasures or stories can be found inside And when I find a note that says found the mayor in the top last night Locked the door before the mrs. Found him I want to find the right room by finding a sign like this instead of just following I don't think you were looking it looked like you were checking everything Yeah, you would have checked everything anyway in that building. What's I get his point But what the mayor will be in the men's bathroom Clever Yeah, I don't know. I'm not exactly making much meaningful progress in the game mind you I've been playing fallout 4 for around 10 hours and finished exactly two quests the game. Nope. You're not supposed to do that See this is the thing like four hours for two quests I have no idea what he's done But like I wonder if it's just unsustainable like even he would be like, okay, I'm turning these markers back on Yeah, at what point are you just like I just want to find all the things and do the stuff and You know follow these quests and progress through these quests Have you guys got subtitles on for the video? No, because it's showing on mine because after he said that he said the game is not designed to be played And it cuts off. Oh, we'll we'll we'll check it out The game is not designed to be played The game simply isn't designed to be played this way like how you yeah, but let's talk about subtitles So you shouldn't really you should turn off subtitles, especially in the foreign film You should follow you should follow all the clues of what I was so curious we will go in with that So you should turn off those pesky subtitles Because that reminds me and in a devoted moviegoer will be able to find out what's happening in the movie He would turn off your subtitles just by paying attention to the other clues That reminds me of when the three of us were watching the mummy three and I didn't have subtitles So I had no idea what was happening No, that's because you weren't a devoted enough watch. It's supposed to infer it. Wolf in fear I inferred it by asking you guys what the Japanese people would say You were your dotted lines, sir The game simply isn't designed to be played this way like how you could also turn off all the quest helpers in the Witcher 3 But then some guy will say the patrol has been lost somewhere along the south shore of lake windommer And you soon realize there are no signposts and no place names on your map and you can't ask for directions So you try and find it yourself and you end up in a bandit camp and you run away and oh god Is that a bear? This has gone very wrong indeed. Oh, what that's just Yeah, that's just exploring that's exploring and finding things along the way. Why is it bad now? So I guess he's saying that there needs to be clues, but not too many clues Or not too much. So I think what you're saying is there need to be ways in a game to find Uh, where you need to go, but without the game actually telling you in the HUD I think is that what he's saying? Yeah, I think that he just wants some he wants the dotted line, but not to the dotted line degree Something much less than that because that's too obvious and it takes away from the experience So like signposts arrows random people you can talk to you go go that way go to the rock go to the river go to that stuff But again, I'm like that's fine But man, some people really want to need that dotted line and I am absolutely one of them sometimes it depends on what I'm doing And what mood I'm in Sometimes I just want to fucking get to the thing. I don't want to wobble around for fucking hours while I'm like Yeah, this is we're supposed to know Yeah, like of the 10 lakes here, which one of them is the right lake is like And then if someone was like, well, you should have paid more attention because there's a signpost, right? And I'd be like, I missed the signpost. Is that have I failed life? You missed the signpost. So now you have to redo hours of gameplay. Sorry Is that a bear? This has gone very wrong indeed But I am having fun perhaps in an ideal world games like this would be perfectly playable without map markers But you could turn them on if you get really lost or you just want to make some fast progress But for now at least so he's aware of that counter-argument, but it Squeaks in right there. That's it. All right At the end, I guess it would be cool to see a few more optional missions in games That don't show up on your map or your quest log and let you take a moment to really Okay, whatever soak the world in to get around through observation and investigation and not blind subservience But there's plenty of that There's loads of people who don't want to do that shit You know like I would be tedious and boring and I would hate having to do that It's like deduction Like it's something that people like the point and click as a genre There's people who do not want to play it because it's all about figuring a thing out like puzzle games Like some people don't want to play portal or cube Or any of the other ones because they literally like I just I don't fucking want to play a game that I'm just Stressfully figuring out what's essentially a mass puzzle and it's like Okay, you know like if I was if I was girl and I came up to a guy and he's like you need to find this and I would be I'd be there with my my book my notepad My thing of what you would sit and I'd be like all right Describe them to me and I write down what they look like what are their names Where are they last seen and they'd say a place is like oh like such and such Which one is that and I'd mark one which that one was And then I'd ask for a peasant for directions on the way over there somebody And I would have all these notes so that I would know where to go and what to do and everything like that I would put all this information and I'd fill that all out myself And I'd put it in I don't know say a journal that I could access at any time for usefulness Right and then I would take out the map that I already had of course I'd be like okay, and then I would take my map and I would mark on my map where it might be I might put a little dot or a little question mark and Then I would just trace all right if I want to get there I'd go down this road turn left there and that's da like all of this stuff would be things that I would do as my character You're not you you're just removing the tedium of doing all that yourself Wouldn't it become really tedious as well if you had to ask for directions at every village I'd just stop and ask people just like oh, hey, where's this? Yeah I think we can all agree that the conclusion is put in the options for these things. Yes I don't mind the options. Absolutely. Then we're done But to be like most games seem to just have the dotted line now Yeah, you can turn it off, but That's it Not blind subservience that little dotted line I was like as someone who was like I in like in search and rescue We had to learn how to orient here And we had to learn how to do map reading and I was on the the high school orienteering team for um What was it? ROTC so in another way malm I know my way around maps encompass And like it's an it's a process. It's an evolved process Like it's tough to learn how to do all that stuff when you're in a room But then when you actually go out into woods and you get out onto roads and you measure distances and you keep your bearing straight Like that could be a really difficult thing to do now add that on top of everything else You're already doing and a lot of people will despise having to do that And then he's like, yeah, well, you're not exploring it with your mind and stuff And they should be like, can you not I guess can you can you not? And yeah, I just it's just so odd that you use witcher 3 And and then just randomly throws in it's like, oh, yeah, you can turn it off, but uh What'll happen comment from lucy he said he sounds so smug when he said blind subservience And if anything he did the quest markers are in subservience to you So where is this around here, right? He said it would be cool to see a few more optional missions in games But don't show up on your map or your quest log and let you take a moment to really soak the world in to get around through Observation and investigation and not blind subservience. What a fucking prick Blind subservience to that little dotted line is like no it's there to help you It's serving you if anything else and you're not forced to follow it Yeah, you can do a zigzag you can wander off Yeah, this was the ROTC rag. It was um high school Marine Corps What was it blind subservience not be blind subservience to that little dotted line I'm just gonna make it up. I have it in there not subscribe This april fools video is going to be Filmed with somebody references. It'll be too hard to understand even for us Let's flip it. Let's flip it blind subservience to this peasants directions I mean Blind subservience to the clues on this map Blind subservience to a health bar just because you don't want your character to die What what if I told you that quest markers were descriptive not prescript Also, yes, there's a 30 seconds left. Is it time for a skill share plug? Uh, let's see what it is Hi guys, it's mark here. Thank you so much for watching the episode if you enjoyed it Please leave a comment. Why are you using fallout music with your background subscribe to the channel? Pitching in via patreon. Oh, it's patreon You know Things you already know this guy makes $10,000 a month on patreon. I'm telling you man. Well, I don't know Many of these kinds of guys. I don't get it. So yeah, what do you what do you think from that video if you For a second managed to scrub the cuphead one from existence What do you think I would be like why is I I don't I don't I'd be like what distance does this guy work at a 7-eleven or Is this like a hobby? He does telling me things that are Ambiguous or doesn't he have like some really absurdly large patreon? What did you hear what CJ just said? No He makes like $10,000 a month on patreon. Oh, right that disappoints the hell out of me It doesn't he only doesn't he only make like one video a month, too? I think it's two per month. Let me have a look 10,000 among Christ eight minutes Well, okay, so this was from I'm gonna go get a drink This video this video was made in november 17th 2015. So in fairness, this is for Well, three three and a half years old this video. So I'll speak on the situation back then but Okay, so in the last One month he's put out a 12 minute video 11 minute video 9 minute video 19 minute video Oh, that's so bad Good enough for this. That's that's not bad. No, uh, someone in the chat linked rhino milk coffee thermometer sticker on amazon.com From rhino wares. This is an actual thing. Wait Can I have the leg? Yeah, hold on. It sounds fascinating So if you need a thermometer sticker Rhino milk coffee is like a acute temp adhesive thermometer for milk coffee. Is is the make It's real Well, I mean, I don't think it's anything to do with us, but it's just it's rhino brand. I think it's rhino brand rhino wares It's a rhino milk coffee thermometer sticker How about that? Everyone get your own rhino milk thermometer I guess it's a sticker that it reacts to heat So depending on how many of the little boxes are like red or whatever it tells you how hot it is It rags, uh, psacich and uh, his friend on the podcast. They're covered, um Jonathan Macintosh's style's video Yeah, I haven't watched it yet I wonder how it goes compared to our coverage. That was the 30 fap. I think It'll fourth but early early that video was terrible Yeah, because we came out That didn't exist. Look legit was about a movie that just didn't happen um But yeah, so mark is Is interesting to me because like, you know in the in the grand scale of e-fap coverage. Where do you think he lands? From that from that video harmlessly useless. It wasn't that. Yeah, it's just benign really probably like one of the better ones then, right? It's like It's like people are actually posting rhino milk thermometer And so the only other video I ever wanted to show you from him is this one because you saw the cuphead one now CJ you haven't seen the cuphead one, right? I doubt it anyway. No That video he just tells you A bunch of things about the enemies and cuphead until the video ends He's like the enemies shoot you and if they shoot high you need to duck under it shoot low You need to jump over it sometimes two enemies at the same time sometimes an enemy that moves up and down and you're just sitting there like Yeah, but then you look at the name of the video and it says how the enemies of cuphead try to kill you So you're like, all right then I guess you yeah Okay, sure. Yeah, so this one's called the secret of mario's jump and other versatile verbs What do you think that means? A verb that can be used in multiple ways But What does that have to do with mario's jump? Um, because jump can mean a lot of different things um You could jump, you know, you could push yourself off the ground using your legs um, or You could jump a spot in line, which means to cut in front of cut in line, which is its own idiom Um, but that we're not going to go down that linguistic rabbit hole We could also have like a um like a like a hyperspace jump in in um in Science fiction or you enter hyperspace Hey, hey, he said I've seen this video and I don't know what it's about All right, we're gonna we're gonna check this out jumping is just a jumping is just a weird step Well jumping subjective Super mario is famous for his jump, but it wasn't always so great In his very first game donkey kong mario's leap was incredibly simple You could do one jump while standing still and another while running So right off the bat this kind of reminds me of like a gamer from mars video Do you like yeah I was going to say like everyone agree. Yeah. Yeah, I'm mostly fine with the way the language is using and the present Yeah, everything's fine and another while running you can't move in midair and the animation is the same Every single time you press the button when it comes to verbs, which are the actions that a player Are you comfortable with that? Why would you not just say actions Apparently it's not his terminology But I thought it was I thought this is what he calls it I thought he got it from someone else. I will I guess we'll see I'm assuming it's from this video. You thought that right. It's confusing. Anyway I just he put a comment he commented below the video saying this is where he got it from this Oh Well, anyway, it's just confusing. Yeah, no no like No, no, no no beef to mark brown But like when I first saw this I was like, how pretentious do you want to be calling the actions you take in a video game? verbs like Why'd you have to say that? It's just like a bigger eye roll is like Yeah, but I'm like, all right. Let's run with it then this jump is pretty basic The standing jump, for example, is no more complicated. Oh and for those who are looking for references Versatile verbs is something that comes up in in gadelp Actually comes on screen. I say versatile verbs. It's an actual quote from this video. It's not even made up There you go. But it slipped right in people were just like versatile verbs the fuck does that mean standing jump? For example is no more complicated than press a to do big But in more recent games like super mario 3d world the plumber's jump is way more interesting You can change the length height angle and landing zone You can transition in and out of different moves and spring off walls and bounce on kuba shells Far from press a to do b this one verb can lead to a Even able to do a few of those things for quite a while. Yeah, even um n64 mario Yeah, jumping on goomba shells. Can you do that before? perhaps A galaxy two which which one is this galaxy or galaxy two is he talking about either way, uh, maybe this one has the most Of all mario's Maybe press a to do b this one verb can lead to a massive number of different outcomes All right, mario's jump is just one example of what I call versatile verbs Which is where one action can have multiple. I just I can't i'm sorry That is the most pretentious thing i've ever heard in my life. Like it just I just smear because i'm like, what are you doing mark? Why'd you have to Versatile verbs. I will help you know that this verb is very versatile Okay, let me bring up my thesaurus.com and I'll say something And then I'll just remember every single possible large word. I can think of What was the variable verbs? What was the word we called on? Uh, the right opinion rags. Do you remember? It was the word that we said back to him and he was like, I used that word. We were like, yeah Yeah, um anodyne anodyne Even he was like, I don't know why I used that Wasn't it like something like perceptibly anodyne statements. Yeah, that was it that it was the most like what does that even mean? Which is where we're just stupid because we don't know we don't know words like jack sainte's narrative tripling Oh, and I said I want to hear that in your good delve voice Uh, versatile verbs has already been said in that one, but Deceptively anodyne has been written down and will be in the script for the next good delve. Like, how could it not be? Action can have multiple uses depending on how you perform it And these are a great starting point for action-orientated games Because as I hope to show you in this video, it means interesting gameplay full of tricky choices and player expression Can be derived from the most to make the game Right, so he's gonna actually explain the references here, but At this point He's just showing random games and I just it's just like my inspiration I just love Mark Brown for I'm like, thank you for just throwing random footage in the back I just like it looks like editing I guess Full of tricky choices and player expression can be derived from the most fundamental interactions with the game Plus they often make the game more satisfying and reduce the number of buttons that a game needs to have So on this episode of Allowing a button to do more things can reduce the amount of buttons required Just yeah, because instead of yeah, like by definition Yeah, they don't even it's like all right then I agree with that statement This episode of game makers talk it I'm going to look at a number of terrific games to find different ways to design versatile verbs. I would just say it like that Because verbs are driven by makes it sound smart Driven by buttons the fact that he just said verbs are driven by but you're like you already as an audience member like There's actions. Why do you just say actions? Why can't you just say action? It's useful to think of the different ways that a button can be used For example, what's the difference between pressing a button and holding it down? some games Not much in others like owl boy You're actually at a disadvantage if you hold the button because the hero's fire rate is slower than if you hammer the button In rapid succession. Okay. Okay. There's no choice to make But in mega man X you just gave us the choice. What the fuck? I was gonna say like wouldn't the choice be that it's less annoying to tap it, but it gives you That's in um and then that's in uh pop up uh enter the gun chin A lot of guns will fire a lot faster if you you click the button manually every time you go to fire instead of holding it down And like he's like, all right. All right. He's right. Okay. There's no choice to make There's a obviously a choice. In mega man X you can press the fire button to shoot a tiny low-powered pellet Or hold that same button down to charge up a bigger and more powerful blast If you've unlocked this piece of armor, you can hold the button down for even longer to charge up even more deadly shots I think his voice perfectly complements what he's saying just bland uninteresting um Very dull. I feel like this would only be in what I mean like a little kid It's a lot of people argue. It's the most You stop firing. It's the most basic you can get about game development And therefore useful to people who are aspiring game developers and I'm just like Are they seven have they not played a video game? That's my question Any video I'm ever I feel like you could show this in primary school and it would be fine But any older than that and the kids would be like No, we already know all this Uh our white said dominant strategy something being less annoying is irrelevant. He said there's no choice to make Yeah, he said there's no choice to make there is a choice to make Yes Even if even if the choice was shoot yourself in the head or not, there would still be a choice Support choice of words. Hey Hey, would you suck on gerald's toes if given the opportunity? Gonna get some of that witcher mill comedy. Also. Why would you do that? Your weird grow up have some respect for yourself. We'll have some respect. Are you really that from is that chat? That's that's a super chat Wolf do you want to perform some versatile verbs? You know I'm so confused but Someone come up with a funnier way to say versatile verbs because I used it in the previous one, but I gotta say it again now What can I say? been been rile Cubs that'll work been some rile curbs You let go of the button With this setup, we get an interesting tactical choice between doing a small amount of damage Immediately or doing a large amount of damage in the future. Oh my god. Yeah Are these videos for eight year old but immediately the graphic presentation though guys like it's it's sleek Or doing a large amount of damage in the future and risking getting hurt while the shot charges A more modern take on the charge shot is the cooked grenade You can throw a grenade immediately and it will bounce around a bit before exploding Or you can hold on to a grenade for a couple Hacked or in your hand Whoops this You guys following you guys able to follow us. Yeah, I think I I think I it might I think I get it For a bit for it for a little bit then he sounded like colossus brazy, but without any soul Hamish Johnson said yes, I have played a game Like yes, I have indeed. I have played a first person shooter before. Yeah. Well, I'm somewhat of a gamer myself Hello, hello gamers if you've cooked a grenade Whoops This time the decision is about risk versus reward. How far are you willing to the other one was about risk versus reward? He even said that he said that when you charge the shot, it leaves you open for attack That would be risk versus reward To push it and how well do you know the It's not an always invisible timer though of the grenade. I I can't think of the game I know that some game out there where when you cook the grenade, there's like four Little lines that show you exactly when it's going to explode in your hand in dirty bomb Fraggers ability was to throw a frag grenade and while he had the grenade in one hand his fingers would count In the other hand one two three, so that was a clever little thing Yeah In window of the grenade Counting your head in mario You can tap the button for a short hop or hold the button down for longer to give yourself more height But here's a different way to think about holding buttons in the game Here's a different way to think about holding down to fire your gun But the only way to repair your ship is to release that same button This means you have to make a choice between Offence and defense and you'll swing between the two throughout the battle When you're shooting you're terrified of getting killed and when you're healing You're anxious to get back into the fight giving the game a feisty back and forth feel Also in love trousers you need to let go of the throttle if you want to make sharp turn So you can pull off that sweet move where you whip around and blast away at the bogies on the tail So fake when he said sweet move Blast away It's like it really is like the hello fellow fellow gamers. Yeah But and again like the only response you can really have to any of this is like Okay Yeah I don't know like is this Like this is some revolutionary crazy newly invented Game concept that if you hold the jump button down you jump higher Because again, I want to clarify. We're not saying he's um Hugely inaccurate here. Like it's just yep It's just like it's it's like a video about fucking duh So you can pull off that sweet move where you whip around and blast away at the bogies on your tail Developer vlam beer really knows the thrill of letting go of a button. Okay Or how about in dark souls where your stamina meter restores more? By the way, he is the direct inspiration for me saying dark souls Dark souls. I say it like a million times in the video. It's just the way he says dark souls Dark souls dark souls where your family was this video made this one was 2017 february all right It restores more slowly if you're holding your shield up So to get your energy back sooner, you've got to drop your shield and put yourself at risk for a few seconds Love that the first sentence he said you lost all your souls Yeah, I'm just horrified the guy's not picking up his souls the first sentence he said confirmed the second sentence as in Stamina drains while you hold your shield up So you must put the shield down for your stamina to go back up. You're like, yeah that follows Okay, the worst part is is he like ran right over the soul Slowly it's not like you have to like bend over and pick them up Like you just press the button and then they're there if you're holding your shield up So to get your energy back sooner, you've got to drop your shield and put yourself at risk for a few seconds Oh, it's problem. Let's just assume it's zero souls and you just died there with nothing. Okay. Let's let's help the guy out You know, that's not what it was. Let's just help the guy out Sooner, you've got to drop your shield and put yourself at risk for a few seconds like it Anyone play Dark Souls here? Like you just watching this I'd be like, what a nuclear take Put the shield down not as a Your eyes will be darting back and forth between the stamina meter and the enemy who's about to kick your ass Yep, and then you've got motor storm, which is a bit like the cooked grenade of racing games The cooked grenade of racing Here we go. That's that's going in The cooked grenade Valiant hearts is the Dark Souls of Ori and the Blast I love you Mark Brown Let's just don't change Let's just apply things that have nothing to do but the point of this As you've probably noticed is he's just taking examples where you have one button and you can either press it Tap it multiple times or hold it for a long time and those things will do different things What's the secret? Keep that in mind sir. Keep that in mind Enemy who's about to kick your ass and then you've got motor storm, which is a bit like the cooked grenade of racing games You hold a button But hold it too long and your car will explode So you've got to release that same button to let your engine cool You spend the entire race nursing this. It's not like it doesn't make sense as a sentence. It's just funny But I'm trying to push your car to its absolute limit And then letting go for a quick cooldown at the optimal time And again the whole like his first statement proves that the second is this it's the same statement as the second statement Do you know what I mean? If you listen to that again Someone said he's Jared if Jared was good at editing To release that same button to let your engine cool You spend the entire race nursing this button trying to push your in fact He says it three times the opening is You hold down a button to go fast And if you don't your car if you don't let go at the right time your car explodes If you listen to the tonal bloke level of him trying to actually put a motion into it You hold a button to boost your car forward, but hold it too long and your car will explode Oh explode Okay So you've got to release that same button to let your engine cool Okay, you spend the entire race nursing this button trying to push your car to its absolute limit And then letting go for a quick cooldown at the optimal time like around corners or in midair. Yep Okay That was a really weird pause. That's a total bloke pause that one All right, I want to make the video in 10 minutes Total bloke to your pause This is not a must not a bark problem or in midair A button can also be pressed more than once Oh really good. I didn't want to keep rebinding controllers all the time. That'd be that would be annoying and expensive That is that is actually something that sounds less intelligent than what Jared would say A button can be pressed more than once I'm just like hearing Jared's what the hell bro What the fuck Marko back Thank you, bro. I love you around corners or in midair A button can also be that is a really long pause. Yeah, it's strange It's like an uncharacteristically long pause for you might that sounds like he might consider that too long if you look back He might have been like, oh fuck Um, yeah, a button can also be pressed more than once Not like this I'm talking about verbs where pressing the button once leads to one action and pressing it again leads to another Almost certainly Yeah, okay or um Or a double jump as it's just about to show. Yeah, the there'd be a couple examples, but um, yeah, let's jump to this one Second press So you've got moves like the double jump where you have to choose the perfect time to fire off that second leap Yep Throw in a few more midair jumps and you get the manic thrills of missplosion man Or how about the reload button in gears of war press it again when the line is in the right Spost on all your next shots It takes one of those super basic press a to do b type verbs and gives it this Is it? I know how you've defied it. Just use actions. I'm not convinced. We're not doing anything satisfying We're six minutes into this video and I have yet to hear what the secret to mario's jump is He's gonna get there on all your next shots It takes one of those super basic press a to do b type verbs and gives it this satisfying tactical bite and of course there are combos in action games. A simple punch can transition into a more powerful attack if you follow it up with two more jabs of the same button. Things get much more interesting, however, if you start adding in more buttons to your combos. Because verbs can take on whole new meanings when you combine them. Look at psychonauts. You've got a basic attack and a jump, but perform the attack after jumping and you unleash a devastating palm. I shit you not. I was gonna put this one for one in Gadel because I just thought it just fits in so perfectly to be like, you press a jump button and it attacks. Then you press another button and it makes you jump. Then you press the jump button and the attack button, you perform a jumping attack. It's like, wow. This is like a tutorial. I'm just waiting so desperately for him to say something of any value. Someone said you can verb your noun adjective times to cause verb two. But perform it. What about adverbs though? Oh shit, that just throws everything out. Oh, don't adverb city this. After jumping and you unleash a devastating palm bomb move. That's an example of using one verb directly after another within a specific timing window to transition into an entirely new move. Fuck me in the asshole sideways. Who is this guy? Is he, he's like explaining this to like an infant in a crib. Hey man, have some respect for infants in crips, okay? They'd get this but well before seeing the video. They just need to play one game. Not like the previous example. We just need to get Jared's take on this video. I'm sure he'll have a better idea. Maybe he can speak to Mark Brown and like get him to speak simple. It's just like this video was like I'm being patronized too. Like I've never played a video game in my life and the most basic concepts that are practically ubiquitous in video games have to be detailed in their explanation. He clearly made this to explain video games to his mother. Someone said Mark Brown should put a disclaimer at the start of his video saying this video is only interesting if you've never played a game. Exactly, exactly. What if he told us that that was the point? What would you say? Congratulations. Marked ass brown. Why would I ever watch a Mark Brown video ever? Oh I mean I was gonna say this will be the third one you've seen and I'm pretty sure this is gonna put you off the channel forever at this point. I'm pretty sure that the first time we covered him was because you wanted to and then afterward I said you're not allowed to choose videos anymore. Yes because here we are watching two more. What I'm saying, what I'll suggest to the chat, the Cuphead one is probably his worst video, not the presentation, not for accuracy, just for the entertainment value. It is a deadpan description of how enemies shoot things at you. It's just the most like why does this video exist? Bumluck says this is a video about space wizards intended for the show. Well somebody into K-Plate made the good point that he's explaining something so basic in such a basic way and yet he's calling actions verbs like he's using deliberately confusing terminology while trying to explain something so basic. This pretentious art-howzy thing of just taking something and trying to extrapolate it into the most complicated meaningful symbolic metaphorical thing that you possibly can. You know if I said to you, let's talk about Star Wars Episode 4 and you go what do you want to talk about and I go the opening text and you go oh the title crawl and I go uh no the first the text post the crawl and you're like what the fuck are you talking about and I go the text the scene you're like confused as fuck and it's like the text of art. So like the text of a book means the content of the book the text in relation to movies can be the visuals can be the scene the dialogue the anything I'm referring to what is in the movie the text you'd be like what are you doing oh you're one of those people yeah you're just like why why are you doing this why can't you just use words because when they actually like use a normal word to explain what they say you're like why didn't you just use that in the first place that they're like well that's I don't know it's like stuck I'm pretty sure he never refused as a critic I don't think someone could correct me on this but I don't think Mark Brown never referred to actions in games as verbs after this video because a lot of people in the comments were like love the video I'm not sure about calling things verbs though a bit weird a bit confusing bit what the fuck do an entirely new move it's a lot like the previous example but this time with two different buttons this sort of combination requires timing and a skillful understanding of how and when different verbs interlink shut the fuck up so what if you had a genre right do you think whenever mark brown opens up like the newspaper or whatever and he sees the new action adventure game that released from you know whatever video he's like it should be called right it should be called verb adventure game like the only people that are gonna get out anything out of this video are children or people have never played a video game before in their life yeah and yeah what so just calling them verbs it's just really confusing like they're gonna be so turned off by that I don't know what he thought it was helping I don't know if he thought maybe that it made it clearer I just think it makes you less what if what if a kid watch this stupid video and they went to their friends house and they were talking about video games and then they he was watching his friend play and he said do the verb do the verb and the kids like you know the when you press a button a verb happens and they're like you're not coming over to my house ever again okay so I'm I actually gotta get going here so all righty well well yeah well I wholeheartedly don't feel bad about not finishing this wonderful video I'm about to invent a lie as to why I have to leave too so good luck it's very useful yeah I will report to my as to my findings of Valita next time was there any you did cover a Metra Exodus right for it because I knew there was a super chat about it as well but I think you said oh oh uh I know that someone asked a couple times in the chat he didn't super chat and I don't think what my thoughts were of the Tolkien trailer I'm already put off by it because Tolkien is very specifically said that his experiences in World War one did not influence the Lord of the Rings and the entire trailer is literally just World War one with Lord of the Ring imagery yeah so I really feel like they're just completely getting it wrong and then on top of that it's like all right let's put a Nazgul in here let's put uh this fiery Balrog looking thing in here let's put Fellowship in one of the lines it seems like it's really trying to bait people who are fans of the Lord of the Rings while getting his life wrong and I find that really disrespectful so I'm really not excited for it at all yeah I saw the trailer and I was like yeah I really don't feel like they're going to give him the respect he deserves so that's my thought. Do you think a film could work for that and they're just not going to be able to nail it? I mean I don't know because they're going to have to tie it into writing because that's what he's most known for I don't know what information they have on his experiences in World War one and how they're all going to tie that in together I just can't think if this movie ever doing good I'm pretty certain it's going to be bad um well at least we got the TV show coming you're really excited about that aren't you shut up you like it's the thing that you've been waiting for you pre-ordered it I believe the TV show oh yeah yeah you know I'm real I'm really great grateful that they're going to make a show ruining the Lord of the Rings another show ruining the Witcher in another show ruining the Wheel of Time so it's great I'm just so glad to see all of my favorite fantasy franchise is just get raped well like because you know people don't care about the actual content you've still got like Pirate of the Caribbean hasn't been ruined alien predator terminator star wars all these things are still intact so I don't know what you're really complaining about is like a whole thing mass fact no no no no no no we were there for when they weren't shit yeah we were we hashtag we were there but we were there before everything was ruined well actually no I wasn't there before alien those were ruined pretty early on yeah that's true oh ghostbusters yeah that might be fixed by the third one though we will see you will see maybe I don't know also rendering the Aquaman video now this is the longest video I've ever made so I don't know if there's going to and it has the most editing I've ever done for a single video so I have no idea how Vegas is going to react to this but with video and that was two hours two hours and 35 minutes good for you rags well anyway if if possible the Aquaman video might be up tomorrow so yeah there you go and I will report as if to Alita is good bad or meh next time wonderful which by the way won't be for like a possible week and a half that's why we did the well that should give me enough time to try and convince my boss to actually give me the days that I request off instead of some random Monday there you go blesses all around yeah totally have a good day wolf doodle pip doodle doodly do everyone tata now they're going to use that line for you two rags we'll just have pip pip doodly do like running alongside each other in the next meme epic doodly do we'll never be yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo oh my god that's a good one oh good old Jared all right I'll see you guys do it all right um yeah I'm probably going to have to go after we finish this video well it's yeah I think well we'll probably do this video then superstars and then it'll probably be over uh you can stay for however long you wish to uh jay is said he'd happily jump in to try and uh fill the the dead wolf space um what he's going to jump in jump that's a versatile does he press a once or does he hold it down let's ask that's a voicidal vibe did jay doodly do did you hey did you you can ask CJ yeah did you press a once or did you hold the button down or did you double tap to jump in to jump into what into the chat now yeah to jump into wolf's place oh um I don't know I've just I I pressed the answer call button on discord yeah but did you hold it down or did you press it down or did you time it right I just pressed it hit it and then you waited within the window and then you hit it you committed to a verb right yeah yeah the verb was trying to put the grenade to get inside this room um I just I did like think about not answering for a while just so I could like be mysterious and then maybe you'd have to call me again and it's being like fashionably like by the way I have to speak a bit quietly because there are people sleeping but I'm okay you can fuck them all right well let's continue then uh the the link is wait wait wait we have to learn about simple transitions the link for jay is right that wait why is there any two people in this room now there's four uh oh this wolf is gone there's myself oh I just joined I just joined the one you just posted it's the same one all right I think I'm in is everyone in jay you in I'm in everything's going terrible I've been really enjoying contributing nothing of valley to the chat and I'm very happy to be contributing nothing to the stream yeah how have you found this video so far have you seen it you pressed a to bring you in we could double tap a to me thank you I mean if I was like I would say that I could get value out of it if I wanted to just like think about these concepts for a while because sometimes just having a simple concept described to you can be a valuable experience if you want to like if you're going into that industry or whatever it's good to just like put words to these things but it's not like he's not saying anything that isn't blindly obvious sometimes that I could get value out of that you know but yeah so I remember watching a video on on good dialogue which essentially just went good dialogue communicates things it provides characterization I was like yeah this video is completely useless but it's it's like it's just a checklist generally of things to think about when when I'm writing dialogue so from that standpoint it was like it was sort of a valuable experience but uh that one sounds more useful than this one which is you press button character does the thing I mean if I was going into game design I would probably want to watch videos like this occasionally okay maybe going into game design at what age like three eight I because people ever forget that you could like press a button to do something or hold it down that's the thing right the most complicated concept he's come up with so far is you press one button and then during a time window press another button and you'll commit to an action that you can only do by doing that combination and it's like right there was actually an easier way to say that like you could just say there are combos you can use done and then you're like well what does that mean you go well when you press buttons in an order I mean it's not the kind of thing I wouldn't watch you while also doing something else why I wouldn't watch it how many negatives were there in there this is something I would watch while doing something else I wouldn't I personally wouldn't watch it but if I was to watch it I'd need to be doing something else I would have to be distracted to the point where this video was almost like not even existing I think if I was trying to go to sleep like if I was fucking someone I wouldn't even like maybe this would be in the background to where I wasn't even thinking about it at all because I was focused on something else much more interesting the screen is turned away and muted and rags will still turn it off I would like just its mere existence its presence I could sense it with my with my my doggo senses this sort of combination requires timing and a skillful understanding of how and when different verbs interlink whether that's a simple transition or a much more complex move set that players will need to learn and memorize aim down sights in a shooter work slightly different oh my fucking god is he gonna tell us about aiming down sights and of oh man mauler you're a piece of shit for even making this video I love this video it just makes me laugh six more minutes guys I think he's aware of how like vacuous this is or do you think he thinks he's saying something my assumption with the most benefit of the doubt is that he's like I think most people understand these things on their own but I'm collecting them all up and I'm showing that this pattern is present in all kinds of different scenarios and it's the same thing I think that's what he would say someone said in the chat this game this this video is like 30 years too late like yes I agree jump we're getting there there is there is Mario's job he's gonna come back better be this secret at the end better blow me away all right the fact that you said that just puts a smile on my face you can press the answer may surprise you oh yes oh yes aim down sights in a shooter work slightly differently you can press the trigger to fire wildly in a general direction or you can hold down the aim button to fire with more accuracy oh my god I want you to explain a scope I want you to absorb that line you could hold down the a button to a more accurately this isn't right none of this is right why am I here um 10k a month I believe and that's not including you too bad sense and this is the thing I'm not like advocating that his money get taken away or anything like that it's just a curious statistic yeah I know it's I'm not saying like it's it's more like I'm not saying oh I wish he wasn't having this success I'm just kind of like oh hey why why is this happened this happened all the people out there who put time and effort and dedication into so many interesting and unique concepts and ideas and they're barely scraping it by and this fucking troglodyte is making ten thousand dollars a month telling us about aiming down the fucking sights of a gun and that's just and that's just patreon yeah and that's just patreon guys what's his name um I want to I want to search him but I've I've not been paying enough attention mark literally getting another drink fuck this movie whatever the fuck it is mark brown or Marcus Brownlee has he called so if you were to say his so if you were to say his like name like a lot of like roll calls do he would be brown mark or the channel isn't the channel uh game oh no sorry no like a skid mark oh nice I get it I get it yeah thanks oh I uh you almost had to go to the point of mark brown style to explain that to us I actually stole that joke from someone else who was making it about someone else called mark brown or actually I think it was uh I think it was someone that my mom went to school if I'm remembering right so it might be the same mark brown I don't know how how old mark brown is but um if mark brown ends up watching this mark where you called a skid mark at school because then I then you knew my mom you press the button and a thing happens mark baggage I'm gonna make a parody of this called bark brown and it's gonna be just explaining in the most simple can we can we get brownwood thrust we have to hear it again button oh sorry that's not the right I need to get right other important bit here we go slightly differently you can press the trigger to fire wildly in a general direction or you can hold down the aim button to fire with more accuracy it's just it's just perfect it's the best thing that's ever happened I love it but usually the expense of player movement it doesn't work for every game but hey it's a good example of how you can hold down one button to modify another verb stop saying verb modify another verb so that would make it an adverb that would make it an adverb mr. vocal said will your April fools video just be reuploading this perfect combining two buttons is one thing combining a button with an analogue stick or some other fine grain input device opens up a whole new world of fun oh god now in any game about moving around a space you're going to have a relationship between movement and many of the game's key verbs oh his punch is just a pointless swing at thin air if you haven't first moved him next to an opponent every time he says I just have to rethink that sentence I know that's it whatever he says verb you have to redo the sentence with the actual word to be like what did he just say why did you see the video harder to understand like I have to translate it it's like you wrote a fictional language then made the video in that video in that language and provided a translation sheet I'm going to do this video in the first need to navigate your character next to the target and then press the punch button or else you would just be swinging your fist to air sorry punch button you mean verb button right verb button verb punch oh don't mind me I'm just gonna verb your face stop verbing yourself stop verbing yourself stop verbing yourself I'm gonna have to have a I'm not the verb when this is done you haven't first moved her next to an opponent the games you know when you're a kid and you get those like puzzles that were every letter of the alphabet had been replaced with like another symbol and you had to translate sentences this video is literally that no not even that not even I know not even that that requires some level of thought some level of time well as I'm saying this like this requires thought to actually understand what he's saying and then when you put like only only in the sense that you have to be able to speak English more I'm engaged inside this is stuff you cover in your one of high school I don't know what are you smoking when he talks about verbs we don't have verb in either programming or design when you say this is the stuff you cover in your one of high school I struggle to believe they spend more than a second on something like they don't wait until high school to teach you this stuff I don't this is like welcome to second grade children tomorrow letters and colors that's what yeah like the idea that you go to high school to learn about game design the equivalent would be you go to high school to learn about literature and then they go letters can be put together to construct words you're like thank you by constructing the letters in different orders you can create new words and new words can have new meanings now let's learn about verbs here's an example of a word but if you take the letter out then you get a different word and let's explore that word and what it means changing the word changes the meaning conveyed by the word and you can use different words next to each other to make sentences did you know that you could take two numbers and add them together to get an even larger but if you take a negative number and add it to a number you'd get a smaller number oh this is cool and then we're opening up a whole new world your homework count to ten however instead of subtract we're going to use the word bob what is five bob three there's a nobody what verbs you're using game movie video where the fuck we're watching fuck it just when you pay attention he's teaching thin air if you haven't first moved him next to an opponent but games can forge an even deeper connection which brings us back this guy oh it's mario we come full circle folks here we go guys the answer might surprise us let's learn the secret of mario's jelly the angle and distance of mario's jump is directly connected to his horizontal direction and speed before you press the a button the only way to clear a massive gap then is to start with a run-up what he just said is the jump changes based on how fast you're going and in which direction you're going did you know that a running light is longer than a standing jump literally if you can move and jump what he just said is true for every single game that exists oh my goodness some games you can do a standing jump that's just as far as a a run-up jump to get to get detailed about mario's jumping abilities would separate it from other games but that introduction where he's like depending on the angle and speed it'll change the jump but it's like there's very few games that does not apply to like i'm just putting it out there press the a button the only way to clear a massive gap then is to start with a run-up you can also move in midair and perform different jumps by starting with a spin or an abrupt turn so back in donkey kong you could effectively just turn mario's left and right jumps how is this a secret it's one of the kormick no no maybe this is how dare you jay he'll tell us what the secret is he'll sign post yeah we don't know if this is the secret of mario's name no no no the secret is you have to dig deeper you have to jay you have to make an assumption you have to get deeper into the video taking his verbs out of contact could effectively just turn mario's left and right jumps into dedicated buttons on the arcade cabinet but in every other mario game for anybody saying he is right we're not saying he's wrong yeah we're not saying he's wrong we're saying it's like if it's like if i if i walked into like if i went back to college and i took like a math course and the first lesson was about like addition the principles of addition adding two smaller numbers together gets you a larger number that would be like i wouldn't disagree i would probably lie in here but it takes like it takes like less than a minute 30 seconds to explain that concept not a video it doesn't even take time to explain it's just self-evident knowledge right but you know it's not something you can expand into a 12 minute video is not necessary but in every other mario game the d-pad allows for such a nuanced modification of your leap that the two oh um i think we're significantly out of sync if you want to drag it back drags so that no don't where are you well i'm on i'm on 820 right now oh i'm i was on 825 825 which means i have five less seconds of this torture i'm at 820 now all right let me go to 820 he's got the thing on screen where he he's got now i'm streaming for your 825 the two this was on 820 for me now still all right 20 yeah i think we're all good must be kept separate mario's jump can also combine with the crouch button for all sorts of new moves crouch and then jump for a tall backflip or crouch while running before jumping for a long jump or crouch in midair there was a seven minute intro to this none of this is wrong none of this is wrong it's five seven minutes of context available like necessary none of this is wrong in order for you to understand this we make mario do different things how to aim down your sides there was literally seven minutes of context for these are buttons you wouldn't push them listen things happen listen j i need you to understand after after this video is done i have to go to like i have to go out in public i have to go outside and i have to do things with people and you know what the okay you know at the end of the lord of the rings where i can't wolf isn't here but he'll get it you guys will get it too you've seen lord of the rings right j i have so you have i have i've seen it now the first one oh oh i haven't seen it you have to see all three spoiler alert they have the good guys win but at the end of at the end of the lord of the rings hobbits shire and they're like no one can understand what we've been through right like we'll never be the same we're changed nobody no one here like we're they're hobbits like us they're smiling they're laughing we're having a good time but but we've been changed by all of the things that we've done and nobody can understand that except us right that's how i'm gonna feel when i walk outside in public because i have to go get food in a grocery shop i'm gonna be in the supermarket and there's gonna be there's like gonna be other people out there getting your groceries but they won't they won't know what i've been through and they won't understand the things that i've seen you're like a ptsd help group but they're all explaining the horrible stories they're like i watched a mock brand video from start to finish and they're all like when you when you're grocery shopping you're just gonna have a voice in the back of your head when you're picking up groceries going this is a carrot you can buy a carrot with other foods and carrots are a combination of flavors you can consume them to restore your boxes you can use a knife on a carrot to make the carrot smaller but if you mix carrots with other vegetables then things get really exciting if carrots between bread sandwich carrot sandwich carrot sandwich who the fuck is carrot sandwiches fuck mark brown in his brown hole avocados go off really quickly they're the cooking grenades of food when you when you hold the aim button it makes you more accurate you press l to aim the avocado so anyway let's learn about Mara's other jumps before we find out the secret now people are putting carrot sandwiches in the chat how was that how was that bread sandwich that's just a piece of bread in between two pieces of bread I don't see how the verb fits into all of that that's a lot of carbs well the carrot is full it counters the carbs you can cook the carrot just like a grenade he went to build carrot sandwich oh what are those creatures on the wheel are those mice yes yeah i think i'll accept that with no further questions for a tall backflip or crouch while running before jumping he's charging a long jump or crouch in midair for a ground pound which can transition into another springy leap that might sound complicated but oh no no no it does not sound complicated it sounds like you're explaining video games to either an eight-year-old person or an 88-year-old person what's that you can press the jump button what's that mean no grand part now granddad it seems really complicated if you just listen why is this italian man on my video screen what do you mean verb what's that why remember how come those plants are biting the italian man what's all this about carrots why why do I gotta be an italian man what's that about which can transition into another springy leap that might sound complicated but there are a few things to note one is that the moves feel like the natural outcome of the combined verbs so this is oh my god shut the fuck up i have to play that again you fucking fascinate me with this shit one is that the moves feel like the natural outcome of the combined verbs the moves feel like the natural outcome of the combined verbs do i say that i don't even know what i can add on to that to make it more stupid oh goodness i feel like adding on to study this away from the condensed it is so like the moves meaning what what mario's doing feel like the natural outcome of the combined verbs meaning the buttons he's making it more complicated natural out they feel natural and it's like i guess what he means like you spin the analog stick mario spins when he jumps if you do the back forward you do back flips like oh i can see what you mean the way he condensed that is the moves feel like the natural outcome of the combined verbs you're like what does that mean well that's what i'm saying it's like i think i think i translated him but my god it only makes sense that if you crouch and then jump you'll go higher well so you know certain games where you can like jump in mid air and that's like the double jump how is that natural at all because you push off of the air beneath you to jump again the oxygen particles in the air yes the oxygen particles no no mostly nitrogen it's not yeah mostly nitrogen we please be scientifically accurate on the show for once please this is not a mark brown video we have we are gamers we've done this before but i absolutely love it with video essays when you take a sentence out from the the collection and you know that a lot of people and i would do the same thing you just didn't really think about it and then you think about it and you're like the moves feel like the natural outcome of the combined verbs you just stare at that sentence and it falls into a void it's like what what is then some of the guy was like i don't fucking know i'm just enjoying the video leave me alone for instance let's take let's take the let's take the sentence kill yourself right for yourself really a sentence really it's like a you it's like it is a sentence that you has understood kill is the verb yourself is the direct object kill yourself just call yourself an object yes i'm like i've been used as an object of objectifying amazing objectifying people if you chat if you've never been used as an object you should try it what object have you been used as as a fucking um i'm picturing a toothbrush i don't know why have you been the carrot between the bread i put someone put the carrot between my breath my buns you bet they fucking did i was a carrot sandwich i put my carrot in your buns grill me daddy come of the combined so this isn't an excuse to squeeze yet another action onto the controller by having it be the outcome of pressing two unrelated buttons instead by thinking of it in terms of combining verbs instead of combining no that adds an extra layer no that makes it more complicated because instead of your body just going oh i'm pressing these two buttons this happens you're like no i can find these verbs into some sort of another action you predetermined if i combine you mean some sort of a predetermined no that's stupid no one does no mark nobody does this and if they tell you they do it they're lying i kind of want to i kind of want to make a response video to this one of his videos where instead of like actually making any points about it i just explain everything he says in great detail but instead of saying oh this is what he said i say this is the wordification he used i just mean you just need a glossary you just need to provide people a glossary of what the words are actually as you watch this video feel free to follow along in the compendium that i have linked in the description press wide open the legend introduction and prologue to the mark brown series i have instead by thinking of it in terms of combining verbs instead of combining buttons it's easier to think about what the boomerangs would have come back oh i was a little worried i was so this isn't you guys are on 849 right now i'm on 840 yeah i'm excuse to squeeze yet another action onto the controller by having it be the outcome of pressing two unrelated buttons instead by thinking of it in terms of combining verbs instead of combining buttons it's easier to think about what move would intuitively arise from their combination the other you like double jumping you almost never need to do any of these advanced moves to get to the end of a mario game they're just extra skills for pro players who want to express themselves yeah if you want to be like the pros like the pro if i go with players who watch mario to clarify about the verbs they'll know exactly what i'm talking about he's described it as the pro moves and he said that it's complicated to understand and people are saying this is for basic entry-level developers okay this is like for people entering life entering life like an infant is just entering life so you give them this video if you want them to be like a like this is the kind of video like a Korean lady puts on her pregnant belly when she wants her child to grow up to become the starcraft pro so that before little before little kim i don't know korean names grows even more he has uh an understanding of game mechanics thanks to thanks to the yankee mark brown i mean he's doing a service he's doing service this is what the pro gamers are doing man i want to learn about this pro players who want to express themselves or collect certain secrets or reduce their completion time no what's the secret wait sorry what did he say what's he's he was like so that these are all different ways to make verbs that are incredibly versatile and with these you can make actions that force the player to make loads of rapid fire decisions or give the player really expressive verbs that can be used to overcome all sorts of situations there are other benefits too in luft rouses for example you could heal your ship by pressing a dedicated button or by picking up health packs the shoot for don't a button to the shoot it's not a fucking verb it's a button don't say that no one says that if you go into a party listen if you this is like one of those shitty nineties vhs tapes if you go to a party and you say hey can you verb me that drink ha ha ha ha ha ha then everybody is going to look at you weird because why is he using this word this doesn't make any sense if you go to a game conference and you refer to the buttons as verbs people are going to look at you weird you're not going to get laid and no one's going to invite you back no one's going to know what you're talking about because no one says that and you don't even say this mark you don't even say this yourself after this video you never ever in your life refer to a button as a verb that's so fucking stupid it's a button the button is that button's a noun this is silent news there's a lot to take in especially if you're not a pro player maybe it's just because i'm not a professional video game player man but and i that's why i don't call the buttons verbs because i understand what a noun is sorry if the actions of verbs and the buttons are nouns what are adjectives and how do they fit in yeah i still can't wait for the guy to make a follow-up video about adverbs that's the interesting part i think this is the entry level that's the no when you take a verb and you add another you add verbs to verbs it makes more verbs this is like addition and math math mathematics i forgot the word i always said math magician hey hey moller did you ever see uh donald duck in math magic land no i didn't i didn't all right there is a there's an old there's an old show where donald duck goes to math magic land and it's like um it's like a phantom toll booth kind of video uh movie it's kind of like that and he learns about like math and numbers and angles and things except donald duck um is by disney they own donald duck you should watch is it more informative than this chat i need you if he has anyone seen uh donald duck in math magic land if so press donald duck the donald duck verb fuck you there you go there's a duck emoji they got it but by linking heel to the chute verb the game gets rid of a lot of clutter and complexity a lot of clutter versatile verbs let you do more that's just like that's like something ea would say buttons are clutter let's dumb everything down so the fucking idiot buttons are clutter buttons are clutter just one button for everything buttons are more with less these verbs are also quite satisfying to use whether that's the tactile thrill of squeezing your nes controller to make mario jump higher or the breathless tension of letting go of the chute button and devil daggers to make gems attract you so that's why double daggers isn't it yep there you go okay i got the satisfying daggers i i play the house how long have i played double daggers i have played devil daggers for 12 hours i have 12 hours of my life has been spent on devil daggers or as i call them devil duckers did you understand the verbs of devil daggers no i just was like i'm not retarded i'm like hey if i don't jams come to me oh well i mean that's that's the extent of how much i thought about it because it's so just self-evidently obvious what it is i didn't have to make a 12 minute video about oh stop pressing a button something happens well i i think that we've learned a lot today in that case thanks you didn't know that it was a verb that's what it is i knew it was a verb i just didn't call it that no a pretentious piece of shit you admitted you're not a pro player well i'm not a pro player but one might make the mistake because i have such skills you know letting go of the chute button and devil daggers to make gems it's called the chute verb you piece of how about a little consistency or the thumb gymnastics of linking up combo attacks the thumb gymnastics literally of linking combo button were we all at the same place right now no we're not at the same place right now we are not at the same place at this moment you're in a very bad place right now i'm in a i'm i'm in a bad place that's worried about you i'm home i'm in a bad place something's wrong if you need a home it's supposed to be a good place we're nearly there i stick so we're linking up combo attacks in your favorite brawler but there are drawbacks to keep in mind too these versatile verbs can be trouble there is actually think oh my god you could have yes you could have some disabled retard have problems with your game yes i mean yeah i suppose sure or if somebody was born without hands they might have trouble with their thumb gymnastics combos by definition yes they need thumbs to keep in mind too these versatile verbs can be troublesome for those with discomfort or disability issues that can arise from holding buttons pressing multiple buttons or repeatedly tapping buttons yeah if you have a disability yeah it takes you from pressing buttons yes you have a disability is that bad you're still pressing buttons look look pro gamers all out there if you cannot press buttons pressing buttons is difficult oh my goodness this is like imagine someone being like yeah if you want to it might be harder to be a professional if you're no sorry if you're disabled from from elvic heads being a disability yeah disabled disabled it's like able but this disability it's not like in like a like what's the opposite of a like it's a prefix what would be the the the the opposite of a suffix no no no that's a that's the opposite of a prefix what would be the the opposite of dis like if you weren't pro if you weren't disabled you'd be like super a pro abled right and added the opposite of this is just not having a prefix i was gonna say isn't it's it's no no no like if you were going the other way like disabled means you're less able but what if you were more able monti said enable as in disabled no enable is a verb come full circle i don't fucking know what's happened enable isn't a verb it's a button oh what about yeah disabled and extra abled as in like your either neutral would be abled disabled is the negative and then the pro is like iron man you get boosted by astucia pro abled you think it's negative to be disabled more by definition disability because something's wrong with you something's not doesn't mean you're listen that doesn't mean you're less of a person or that you don't get to vote or anything like that or you have to sit at the back of the bus or you get anything like that all it means is that you're just not as abled as what you should what normal people are and that's okay that's why we that's why you have a normal is offensive it does mean you're less of a person if you're like missing part of a body because then like from a straight quantity point of view that's less person that's less you racist i mean that's like saying that big people are more are more of a person fat people are less of a person fat people are more people than skinny people fat people get more human rights than skinny i never said it relates to human rights yeah you've opened the categories fat people are the most people people i think i think we're open to kind of well as soon as disabled came into the stream i did not well i mean if you take up more than one seat anywhere you should have more you deserve to vote yeah if you weigh as much as two people you get to vote twice but it also means you get you know it means you don't get drafted twice because you're fat what if one of you gets drafted that means that two normal sized people have to be drafted in your place stupid so uh there's a video that we were talking about at one point what bark bring it home what's the secret of eras the rise from holding buttons pressing multiple buttons or repeatedly tapping buttons i'd recommend checking the game accessibility guidelines for more on this i'm definitely going so by looking at mario's jump through this lens we can see how this one verb can be modified what's the lens describing i like how mario just died there as well they just cut it off they cut off before he died missed all those missed all those coins as well yeah let's just don't buy that noise just they're not even trying mario's even looking he's like look at this big fucking spacebar question right above my head and it doesn't he doesn't even just take it it's there just through this lens we can see how this one verb can be modified programming on whether you press or hold the button whether you transition from or into different verbs yeah whether you're holding the run button before you hit jump yeah and i'm going to transition from the verb watching to the verb not watching hey man he's doing this summary we went through all these it's like a nice call back what do you mean the summary what's the secret no i'm sure we're getting it i am sure okay we have seconds from it i'm sure of it depending on how you move the anlock so high and during his leap plus if you're wearing the raccoon suit you can choose to hold the button to float call the fucking to new media and in mario's other games like super mario 64 you can even press the jump button repeatedly you can combine verbs together to create another you can you can press jump in the name it's a triple jump it's in the name it's like jump yeah but we wouldn't have known how to do that if you hadn't told us you can press a button more than once just a little it's got a little weird it's a jump jump you triple jump if you press the jump button three times it makes a three jump happen i just i love it it's just one plus one plus one is three with good timing to unleash a ridiculous triple i mean you may not get it guys i don't think you do you're not pro gamers this intense did you know that if you know that pow upside down is mod i did oh shit mine's triplone this intense level of versatility means that before nintendo even designs a single like you mario's jump is fun satisfying and expressive and it does all that with just a tiny handful of buttons and so is but it's a secret no no no you motherfucker you'd better fucking tell you all right we're listed we're listed don't you give me this shit about who made me finish off if you take it a full angle look at you this range of life and didn't you see that through this tautology you this guy i swear to god he's gonna give you your payoff after 11 and a half minutes what the fucking secret of mario's jump is i'm gonna go fucking bat shit and say are you saying that this isn't you going bat shit already because i want to see that no i won't no i don't even have the energy at this point it'll just me it'll just be me alone in this room with alcohol all right all right all right let's get all i want to know is that i want to know what mario's secret is and he's i want to know where the italian fucking store is gold yep satisfying and expressive and it does all that with just a tiny handful of buttons and so is this the secret to mario's jump don't fucking ask me sort of it's definitely a big part of the equation but there's a bit more to it than that yes more things to consider when making engaging verbs yes so consider this video part one of sorts there's no part two by the way there's no secret of the secret of mario's jump too so we we never get to find out the secret and that's how it's a secret be secret now would it ha ha ha give me my money on patreon is like why why would you do this disney should buy the rights to it and then make part two disney buy the rights to mark brown fucking chat you go why laugh my fucking ass off f f f fucking 10k on patreon i just don't i don't understand how you can make a video called the secret of mario's fucking no i don't mean to click and go there i mean the secret of mario's jump i expect and i don't i don't think that this is me being unreasonable i don't think that i'm asking for too much i just expect that if you make a video called the secret of mario's fucking jump right then i want that then in that video there's gonna be the secret of mario's jump as i get you go on a vacation and fucking kairo and you make a vlog called the best thing that i did at kairo and the video is about your slumber party in hana lulu then i'm gonna be a little upset because i feel like i've been taken on a trip yeah this was some serious clickbait i love the cj i love that you were like you were concerned this could be boring to cover i was yeah i was just like eh what's he saying i knew that rags of wolf would find this it's like totally inoffensive but i suppose it's also aggravating as well because it is so inoffensive no it is offensive this video offends me well it definitely supported your expectation yeah because it said it would do something and it didn't all right all right let's let's listen to his explanation again it'll make you really happy is that before nintendo even designs a single level mario's jump is fun satisfying and expressive and it does all that with just a tiny handful of buttons and so is this the secret to mario's jump well sort of it's definitely a big part of the equation but there's a bit more to it than that and more things to consider when making engaging verbs so consider this video a part one of sorts and i'll be back in the future with more ways to make more interesting actions for your games you know what about mario's jump that's what we came to see make games by explaining mechanics that are so ubiquitous that i've been around for 30 fucking years it's such a special video and it's kind of hard to explain exactly why because again it's not wrong it's not exactly wrong do you think he just do you think he just like played the tutorial or read a manual and went if hmm i can i see the movie adaptation of this mario manual listen if someone if someone told me i'm making a game and i want to get some advice on how to make my game do you know where i could get some good advice i'd be like you should watch mark brown videos and like you should watch really i say no no you should watch anything else literally anything else because you won't learn anything from a mark brown video if you're at the stage where you're ready to create a video game and code it and and you know the the story and the characters and you're ready with the money you got the loans out and ready to hire people then you're not gonna be fucking sitting around learning about oh double jump learning about the verbs learning about verbs let's genuinely let's just close out this last 30 seconds to make sure yeah i don't know what it's gonna be this sort of video please consider supporting me on patreon well listen comfy hat tan mcdonald philippe linds michael oar k josh fuck all of you i hope you're happy i hope that you're happy given this man money on patreon and he didn't even but tell you tell me any of you if any of you in the chat give statistically one of you fuckers is one of you people who's giving to this guy on patreon tell me the secret of mario's jump please maybe it's a patreon exclusive and i'm just not i didn't pay enough money to get it so if you could tell me what the secret of mario's jump is i'd appreciate that you could email me at 1-800-GET-R-A-G-S at gmail.com 1-800-GET-RAGS at gmail.com email me the answer to the secret of mario's jump if you give to this man on patreon because you're so satisfied with his work all right that's where you can reach me i will await your response with baited breath i'm not one of his patreons but i feel like in my opinion he owes me money i feel like i should get my money back um yeah i guess that's it because that's just gonna be a patreon plug so uh what do you think guys that's mark brown for you i think he's probably a patreon plug than the rest of the video so i i genuinely believe that he was just reading out of game manuals yeah exactly i just put them together for video from a mario game and he just read it well hey i can make a point out of this i can make a i can make a video that's more than 10 minutes i'm gonna call it a verb instead of a button because else it'd be plagiarism oh i'm gonna use a fancy word to show that i am smart i'm not a usual gamer i'm a serious analyst oh yeah i'm some i'm really smart i'm very intelligent i think but there's a little i think mark is aware of how fundamentally baseline these things are and he presents it so attractively uh his graphics yeah it's very unsatisfactory he must be sitting in his room alone with his cats and he must be thinking to himself why am i doing what am i doing this is this guy reminds me of people who animated the emoji movie i feel like i have so much talent and here i am he reminds me of behind the meme oh yeah yeah sort of just wasn't it you said uh gamer from mars at the beginning right gamer from mars yeah yeah whatever happened to this guy well this is who he is and this is his entire history the one minute at the end is yeah see the great ender a one from gamer from mars no it's like the best example of what he does in fact why not since we've got some it's really short uh gamer from mars grade a he's made like a million on him hoping to all the more relevant now because great has come back i think it's what happened to great ender a fuck he's got he's got the death of great ender a and what happened to great ender a and they're both the same fucking length i don't know which one was five months ago okay that's probably the one i was watching all right gamer from mars let's let's check you out this all this all you'll love this rags this is the mark brown of youtube drama i feel like he looks like the mark brown of youtube drama so like just going in if you're remotely aware of grade a what you will know like what everyone will know if you're vaguely aware is that he got really popular from making videos that were like explaining simple things in a funny way with edgy humor he got involved with leafy against keemstar drama exploded in several ways he disappeared that is the the most basic storyline you could possibly take that's like that's it let's see a gamer from mars ender a make like he's only have like a million subs millions yeah the gamer from mars going to explain to us what happened to great ender a all right he's back now by the way which is going to make this video even funnier yeah before i start the video right now i just want to ask you to please go and vote for me on the my roadreal competition for the wooden man there's not much time left in the contest and i'm begging you we're in second i hate it when people do stuff like this at the start of the video what's a wooden man so i'm i think this is like a video contest and he's asking a sense to go and vote for him which kind of skews the contest but okay i think it's also funny as well someone mentioned this in the chat actually quinton made two videos on gray day and that's what made him big in the first place yeah quinton also made a video parodying a gamer from mars yes he did so uh interesting isn't it the how you can plot how quinton was like he became one of the people quinton would have gone after like this is you're either you're the dire hero or you live along to see yourself become the villain but if every single person watching this video went and voted for me that's another one of my pet peeves just the whole if everyone watching this video did x line does he do anything like martian oh no the mars part of his name doesn't come into anything the gamer from mars like does he wear a costume no no no like is in his spaceship he used to make gaming videos and that was just his name when he was making them and it just it just stuck it's nothing to do it has nothing to do with his content it has nothing to do with the celestial body really i every single person watching this video went and voted for me and voted for my film we would get up to number one and we would win the grand prize which is a ton of equipment that could help improve this channel so please click on the link in the description to go vote it only takes a minute of your time and i would so desperate i've been meaning to make a video on the subject for a while now to see if we could all have a consensus that that's a great day under a channel robot yeah uh he's he's like tonald's he's devoid of personality he just is gamer from mars is this kind of commentary channel you can imagine but like i'm hoping to let this sort of listen here hey no no no fuck you hey hey dill in the chat what is rags it's my fucking name what does rags have to do with rags hey it's my name yeah i'd say if it was rags from mars people could be like why if it was rags from mars you might have a point because i don't have any martian related you know comment your content but rags is my name so yeah i'm hoping to let this sort of run because it's just there's no information that's the point of this officially dead at his height he was one of the you just said he's officially dead by the way i bet you wonder what that even means he he made a video two weeks ago he has like a million and he's officially dead rags what the fuck i hope i'm officially dead soon he will be by the end of this dead at his height he was one of the fastest growing channels in the world but he hasn't uploaded a proper episode in a year and a half and i think we should all start to come to terms with the fact that probably isn't well it's such a pointless video i've already done a what happened to video on the channel i don't want to repeat myself he's totally not reading a script with how his eyes stay exactly the same position no matter how much he moves his head i find it's actually really creepy yeah too much with this information but to put it simply during the rise of internet culture channels in 2016 grade was at the top that's great with each one of his videos and it's like nothing interesting in the background either and just a fucking door you know why so that he doesn't have to put something on the screen it's just done already it's easy by 2017 however he started to slow down yeah until the channel just stopped altogether you said that already this was odd considering the amount of money he was still pulling in naturally by being one of the fastest growing channels his patreon alone could have comfortably sustained him right but on top of that the channel was bringing in tens of millions of views a month naturally to put it into perspective he was making money in one month then most people make in a complete year yes but then he just making this pointless video while i don't have the inside scoop on exactly why he left one of the big things you need to understand about grade was that he really seemed to care about what people were saying about him to the point that it was a definitely nearly like with like more the third of the way through it's just nothing you get so far from what i've heard spent a lot of time obsessing over his subreddit looking over what people were saying about him on there and how many upvotes they received on some occasions he actually argued with people he actually argued with people at some point he actually argued with people it's of course not necessarily a bad thing to be aware of how others perceive you thank you for that oh he's just like mark brown is classic you just hear these lines you're like these is just filler they have no idea what else to say attempt to change that but as a youtuber you need to draw a lot of lines with how far you're willing to go if not it will control you what believe my personality thousands of people misrepresenting my beliefs or in some cases just flat out oh wait you guys are like a good eight seconds ahead of me can someone draw it back to like 210 yeah i can do that okay 210 yeah yeah what is this guy's personality he's like a robot the carrot between two pieces of bread we're willing to go what are you if not it will control you for example in my comments i can find thousands of people misrepresenting my beliefs or in some cases just flat out slandering me but i can't let it bother me too much because i know what to do with great this is a low key response to criticism i can't say for sure but i think at some point the money stopped being a factor for him in fact even with the channel now dead the ad revenue probably is still enough for him to live comfortably off of for the rest of his life okay he was no longer enjoying this and money wasn't an issue it makes sense that he would stop the thing that separate all he's established is he made loads of money and makes enough money to have not continued making money he said absolutely nothing he's offered no proof whatsoever like okay i don't know why he stopped i don't have any inside scoop but it's likely that this is what happened look at the extrapolation he has millions of subscribers he makes a lot of money he has enough money to not more make videos it's funny that the strongest statement he's made so far that he's definitely not coming back and then the only thing that gives you insight into this man's character is what he randomly goes people misrepresent my beliefs in the comments section wait what does this have to do with great it's like looking at a younger Mark Zuckerberg yeah yeah yeah sen said he would stop the thing that separates great a underray from other dead channels was that he promised he was coming back then never did he promised time was in may of 2017 so you said it's you got this he's like he made a video saying he would come back but he didn't here's the first one this is a clip you're like oh my god you shove so much filler into this and it's six minutes so it's like he was trying to get it to 10 minutes but even he couldn't get it to 10 with him getting his fans hopes up he never came back at least at least there was one entertaining yeah i was gonna say even that small clip was more entertaining months later though he made a second video promising you why don't you use your YouTube ad revenue and buy a fucking personality they cost a lot these days to come back he's like he didn't come back then he made another video saying he was gonna come back here's a clip of it i've been gone for a while so it just seems fitting for a start right and secondly not gonna lie i do want to tweak my videos and make them a lot simpler like they used to be before this turned out to be yet another letdown for subscribers i really don't know what's going on in the man's head but like many other youtubers that have found success they realize that there are downsides and he hasn't been able to work through them the only thing i know for sure is that it's been a year since his promise of season two and i now feel comfortable confirming the death of gray day the questions i can't figure out are who are those 54 people that are still giving him money on patreon i guess there can't wait 112 a month comfortable to live off of sorry wait what oh he was talking about ad revenue no he did mention the patreon as well but i guess that must have been oh he did yes no yes you're right he did yeah and i'm like 100 where does he live you gonda can't be answers forever i can be 112 dollars the end we were full of minutes there's a third of your video left how is the end keep going keep going hey everybody and thank you so much for making it to the end of this video today is really at the end really to the fucking serious he spent he spent the first minute of the video plugging something listen to like it like if my video like my videos are too fucking long so if i if i get to the halfway point then i could say thanks for making it this far because by then it's been like an hour or 45 minutes this guy's video is four minutes long he's like thanks for making it to the four minute mark it's like that well that shows you his target to be fair it was still hard to make it through i mean kids thanks for sitting still and watching in four minutes you'd be done with my intro intro from the tfa critique like four minutes you might be getting to the video i'm covering he's like thanking you for staying this long thank you for bearing with me for four minutes everything he said if you had any interest in grade a you would know all those things i don't have any interest in grade a positive or negative i just don't know about him much but i'm like i learned nothing he said nothing like he didn't say anything about the drama with keem and he didn't say anything about the subreddit all he said was he went away it's been a while now i think by the way this is this is it for gamer of bars if anyone ever says what did you cover one of his videos like this is why what is what is this last two minutes as for the question of the day somebody wants to know what social networks do i think is going to become irrelevant soon and the answer to that is actually a tricky one i would i would have said facebook a while ago but then i realized facebook is still growing in foreign markets i'm so glad that i clicked on this video i i know so much about grade a under a i know about his personal life and his struggles and i know about the problems he's had with other youtubers and what really motivates him i learned so much about grade a under a fuck you talk about fuck you uh yeah i think twitter's probably the closest to becoming irrelevant i learned more about grade a under eight when you were giving me context to watch this video yeah i didn't even know he had like a beef with leafy and keem or whatever yeah that's literally that's actually true that's not a joke yeah he called what you said is really star repeat a file what's what you said is really funny because it is true i gave you more information than he gave you i didn't even tell you how popular over youtube he is because it's not even relevant to whether or not he's dead you know i mean this is like he's a big youtuber he makes lots of money he doesn't make as much money anymore he makes enough to not make youtube videos anyway guys thanks for watching the video like what what does this have to do with anything thanks for watching four minutes of my video i'd like to see a channel that does these kinds of things but without panning it at all and it's just like 30 second videos believed a few years ago that twitter was almost dead or it was going to start dying but then what happened was donald trump started running for president and he started tweeting all this crazy stuff all the time and the media picked so donald trump saved twitter on a full point of politics it's a hot take to add to this video you know a lot of people claim that twitter but wait he's mentioned donald trump without saying whether or not he hates him yeah do you hate him you can't even like i can't even write down quotes to put in a parody video because i don't think he even has is capable of having an opinion on donald trump so donald trump ran for president and lots of people thought he wasn't going to win but he did and now he's the president the death on twitter i don't really have any inside information don coral asia said is the life on bars no no the oh is it playing for you guys yeah stuck for me wait did he did he just suggest they should ban donald trump could you imagine the controversy from twitter if twitter wants to make its inevitable death even faster they could do that but i doubt it could you want to ban the most powerful man in the world to be fair no if they if they ban donald trump they would become like so much smaller but they would become immortal rather than the people who actually support a lot of people claim that twitter should ban now forever they'd certainly be drawing a line in the sun wouldn't they see twitter ever banning donald trump because the martians have attacked the street apparently thank you mr president oh i think i'm cool up to you guys now uh he suggests he's talking about whether or not they should ban donald trump right yes in this video about the death of great a underage hey i wonder who else did that oh that's actually beautiful that connection wait what the quintin it's just because quintin parodyed this guy yeah that quintin did that like a veering off of this makes more sense in a weird way than what quintin did but okay i'm sad because i tried to make that i'm sorry cj says i'm sorry twitter should ban donald trump i don't know i'm not the biggest expert on this event because of him so i don't see twitter ever banning donald trump because donald trump's probably the greatest thing to ever happen to twitter but that's just my view i made it great again i'm not the biggest expert on this sort of thing i just really do platform and the other stuff i know a little bit about uh but yeah i think that there is yeah keep going you'll eventually get to 10 minutes and get more mineralized you probably had a recording that was like 15 minutes with mistakes and then he cut it down he was like oh shit six minutes oh let's take questions from the audience he's like it's still six minutes five seven let's pan this out to six minutes twitter that would be the end of the platform so good question end up end this video what is this music in the back it's like a man singing in an opera what the fuck is this what pisses me off is that could have easily been filmed in it like see listen it's a couple of hours i can't believe that just happened yeah that video i know it would go good with this video that's sort of about the death of brandy under a fucking andre bacheli singing his opera or whatever oh you know what i feel like i mean i know you've already done it but i feel like you can make a very good episode with just his channel fucking rags will actually hunt him down and kill him if we did that i will i will find this man if anything he's helped him to just the shit the cons are out he's helped mark brown he's taken our uh uh ire off him a little bit it's so mock you have this mad to thank i mean an interesting day uh i i got to do now i get to do the thing that he did an anthropoid where he loads the bullets back into the magazine oh yeah that's what i have to do right now focus on the details because i don't keep one in the chamber because of spring tension keep one in the chamber for something else i think you mean so yeah i'm gonna read out some super chats because that is that is the point that we're the way that has a million views what see that's what's most offensive about it is that he's managed a million views yeah he's managed to get so many views and subscribe no this is 200 making content like that you know in fairness this one's 260 000 but i've just found one that has a million that's the other gray day video he made and that's the reason why he made this one wait so hang on does he say even less in that or what was that i don't know what that one covers what happened to gray day under a and then the death of gray day under a what i think it's worth finding out i don't want to split that into two videos this is how i work so hard on my videos i work i work so hard on my videos to edit them and get everything together and the timing and just the sheer length of them and this faggot just puts out six minutes of bullshit it's not even that because it's a black screen for the last 30 seconds he puts out five and a half minutes of him sitting in front of a webcam with his ugly ass face telling us about stuff that isn't even related to the title and he gets 260 000 views fuck this shit yeah this is the sad reality of youtube all of his most popular videos are like here's some dead youtube channels here's some dead it's all other people he just makes videos about people yeah but it's the beliefs is like what are your beliefs it's the blandest most generic kind of commentary doesn't say it doesn't really say anything um and with that i am going to begin super chats you guys are welcome to do whatever you may wish to do like well look we went into i'm going to verb we're going we started this verb together we're gonna end this verb together first one i'm gonna need a good old verb after this guys it's not whammin it's woms you gotta take the men in women out so it becomes woms thank you for that verb we needed it afternoon gents how do you how do you have so much time i mean we only do e-fappies once per like one week and a half you know a little e-fappy there but uh we're doing the double one i say double the one over three days two over three days i think because there won't be one for a while after this or at least a longer time than usual i will need to recuperate how do you think about it everyone has the same amount of time they just use it differently with different verbs that's that is a very ableist statement i'm sorry because you don't account for those who have different times based on different ables once i sat in a wheelchair so i'm allowed to say it oh that's fair that's fair how do you start this i sat in a wheelchair before sorry what was that i just sat in a wheelchair before as well i've also been in a wheelchair i could like not forever like i could stand up and just walk away but like a lot of people wear chairs as they can do that they have to stay in the wheelchair just technically be having poor eyesight means you're less able to do things so i'm if i'm blind can i get a wheelchair yes under california law you can just buy them the things um how do you start the stream while at work i i if your job permits podcast listening then maybe that works out i don't know but right now with my brother wanting me to i may buy anthem if so i'll try writing a review for the discord oh check out the anime film sword of the star ranger anyone ever heard of that sort of the star ranger i don't think any alternative to star wars at this point hey my internet's back after being out for over a week feels great to be watching it back again so here's some shackles well it feels great to be here as long as they translate into like non-shackle money i mean geez what am i gonna do with shackles i don't accept them in britain what's up guys i'll have to watch this later but have a good day you too sir love you takedown of syris wolf keep up the good work keep doing it okay great job worked hard on that there must have been lots suffered through what a great guy well yeah wolf is just fantastic for that sort of thing he's a piece of work man chickadee china the chinese chicken you have a drumstick and your brain stops ticking watching x files with no lights on with dancila mazon i hope the smoky man's in this one like harrison ford and getting frantic like sting and trantic like snick is guaranteed to satisfy i think i read those backwards i don't know but no it's another rap i believe um yeah it's oh fuck what's the name i feel the groovy beat deep in my soul home skillet oh fuck was it oh it's gonna kill me now all that song is they were like a one hit wonder they were really big in like the early 2000s i think Danny DeVito no chicken the chinese chicken if anybody knows what it is please say in the chat that's it bear naked ladies one one week it's been one week since you looked me yeah try to watch the debate with lee only made it halfway through it was painful rags you that was your favorite episode right what that was your favorite episode and guest right eventually my favorite this one right here this is my favoriteest one of all them this is it more please say precious crystal fox boy there you go this this this account is called praise pipeman listen to understand that ryan is out there and he doesn't understand pity or remorse or cadet and he will absolutely never stop ever until star wars is dead it's a shame i'll have to watch this on mula but anyway guys i was wondering if you made an e you efab host and special guest raggers into characters for my dnd campaign but anyway guys enjoy the memes uh you could make us into characters on a dnd game if you want to i don't see why not i've i've uh if we give you quests they can't have dotted lines that tell you where to go yeah through that yeah no hand holding because that means you can't be immersed in the world i uh i actually started replaying dragon age origins recently and i named dog rags so just so you know rags i was a compliment you racist it was a compliment i'm glad you're a dog is glad i dog is awesome i like it oh dog is awesome i i approve wolf did answer about exodus and uh i think there's a couple about that i'll just try and skip over them i guess uh bini fappins since bilbo baggins bilbo baggins more love the channel love people showing people your channel wolf still waiting for act man get him on that might eventually happen maybe we can get act man on here i don't know i don't know how i maybe wolf can get him i don't uh only watched half the last efab so far taken so long because majorly is making me want to shoot myself every time you admit something wrong in the movie that goes nah it's not a problem well he didn't say whatever like three times listen there's a lot of people out there who so that's my argument uh it's another exodus one oh and it says how do you again cj love all of you oh no hello daddy doggo that could be for rags that was um i did a stream recently and while i took a break everyone in the chat decided to start calling me daddy doggo so when i came back it was just a whole stream of daddy doggo but what was the hierarchy between you and rags are you daddy or is he dead like how does that work i'm daddy um joke on my channel calling me daddy as well oh god oh really maybe there's multiple dad quite glad that died uh west virginia gave its life for america ungrateful communist blind doggo all right then slice and dice brothers slice and dice my brother oh yes that efab dance was amazing yes it was it oh it's really impressive i'm tempted to play that to exit this stream you guys game for that sure throw it back on another efab gotta catch up on me efab plot hole why did they hire an english actor to play mola when his character is well i don't know i don't it doesn't make any sense not a plot hole well i guess it's possible for an english it's consistent it's consistent within its own rules if we assume he traveled to wales after he was born in england i guess makes sense that's kind of writing for the writer at that point though sure it would be the other way around that if if he is welsh then he traveled to england and picked up the accent depends on how if he spent like 15 years in england and born there and then he moved to wales then he was and then he became a citizen in wales like there's so many ways they could do it they just never wrote a backstory it's internalized his oppression they never wrote the backstory like i'm saying it i think it's a plot hole i'm sorry like if you guys don't let me guess there's a visual novel that explains it well it's all right because plot holes don't matter oh thank christ full metal bat yes resin evil four is still the best resident evil i can agree with that i fucking love that game can the three of you guys do a full sing-along of i'll make a man out of you from moulin i'd love to hear your sexy singing voices do a triplet i'm sure we all know it but we wouldn't do that because we're aware we would never we're gonna wait for disney to remake it in live action with will smith when the efat patreon gets the ten thousand dollars roll sing sing the song of your choice i mean could we really reach the levels of mark brown with a patron i don't think so you just have to stop seeing things and then you'll reach that level you think that will smith will play moulin in moulin yes i think will smith will play every character in every disney film from now on it's time that we finally get a depiction of moulin that's a strong black male character i think the world is ready for a strong black male hey boy i love the new video on cyrus martin yeah i worked on that for a while honestly me and cyrus go way back i saw that it was really good yeah thank you a lot of effort went into it i went with like a dog sort of avatar this time around i thought it would work personally it was pretty good hey rags who's great to see cyrus martin again for me he'll always be jarred stepped at also would you say scissor is a weird pair of scissors uh what was the second part of that i said also would you say a scissor is a weird pair of scissors i think so it's not that weird oh there you go but a closing maybe a maybe a little bit but not really that weird that's hot like kind of how like a crawfish is like a weird lobster um got a closing shift tonight can't wait to watch this love you guys possible source for meme video makers fights from jojo's bizarre adventure i think alex showed me one of them they're quite funny efap is pretty much just a weird grape i agree with that statement personally i don't think wolf would but i do great to keep tlj meme alive about it getting worse each time you think about it rose's ending line is made worse as she forces fin to fight the first order and stops him from saving ray in the beginning oh yeah i guess you could yeah wow it's like the the layers of incompetence just stack on to each other like a miserable no it makes sense is here are it's it's rose do this to literally any movie so the last Jedi is good every single movie if you think about it gets worse there is no movie that survives or gets better when you think about all the connections all of them get worse because everyone's terrible at writing let's just be honest efap and people like it which means it was good efap and tgbp when the will there be merch take my dollar bitch for both put together that would be that'll be a mess it'll be something realistically speaking how do you think a movie bob presidency would play out genocide genocide it would be horrific the re-instance of the war of eugenics uh hey cj when will you continue ride to hell uh some point this week are the tuesday maybe thursday you played ride to hell and now you're here makes us we did it so my week just got worse and worse you all excited for captain marvel no oh of course i can't wait i can't wait to see more strong independent female i will be seeing it i am neutral on my excitement and and i'm gonna go in i'm gonna be like please be good please be good please be good but we'll see did you know j that i'm not allowed to review it why why not relastin said she doesn't want to hear from white dudes when uh reviewing the movie well well toss pots doing it so the normal thing is like white straight white nails and so am i allowed to review it what if i identify as gay but i'm i'm straight but i identify as gay does that count trans gay only until you actually like uh seal the deal oh i can simulate it the level of quality for this medium is incredible kudos to the meme maker we literally have the best memes that i have to agree i'm assuming that's about the kingsman one does anyone superimpose you guys into starship troopers anyway keep up the good work oh and what did wolf think of the debate oh i don't think he mentioned what he thought of major lee's thing did he i think he talked about it for a little bit remember but no no one's done a starship troopers meme we've got plenty of movies left to uh to rip into i suppose so this is this is uh the apology for last time the first thing i see when i tune in is fucking diaper fetish a brilliant return to form oh this is the apology stream oh you changed it to the rhino very clever j thanks um i just thought it would be a fun thing to do it is by the way if anyone who's not completely familiar with it the full picture is me writing the rhino and it's one of my favorite things now it is beautiful have you guys seen it guys and see it's very good no i don't think so go ahead and get it from j and post it in the little little text chat sure good day guys got into this to see four guys wheezing to this art love it also have you guys heard of rage a holic or razor fist if so your thoughts um i'm neutral on razor fist i'm fine i mostly like his stuff rags is positive on razor fists uh more than neutral and then wolf is very much not positive on razor fist or neutral uh so a lot of people who's actually asked if he could have a guest on efab i don't know if it can work because wolf is a little tits me about it i don't know what we would do i don't know i uh i'm fine with it i'm fine with it too i don't i don't know if wolf would be we'd have to ask see what he says um because i was on uh will class bullshits with um uh razor fist and it was quite funny he was very edgy and made lots of fun jokes and then after it we all got accused of being a sexist racist blah blah blah uh who's unfortunate but uh you know that's the way the cookie crumbles actually speaking of quintin check out mumke's twitter recently quintin sent a fan account of mumke some interesting messages won't spoil what's in it just check uh yeah no i've seen it i think i i sent the tweet to wolf and rags i think so they should have i don't yeah man that's crazy i have to say quintin's never gonna hear this but dude what were you thinking i don't know what the hell he was even he is just the gift that keeps on giving man quintin something else i think it makes him feel validated maybe the attention and the it's not something you'd want public is kind of what i'm getting at like if i was his pr manager i'd be like no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and he's like it's okay to say it i'd be like yeah your new friends will not like this i do not say these things i then like to be do you know about the whole um when you dmca a video you have to put your full name in as a like a claimant and so the person you dmca sees that as the claimant and so people have been posting his full name because he fucking put in his full name which is irrelevant because apparently he used to introduce his videos with his full name anyway which you can still find or at least are now enlisted but you know still happened um and so mumke made people aware of that that he'd put his full name out there like an idiot and there's pictures running around and then he accused mumke of doxing him okay i don't think that's how that works not how that works um yeah uh crazy situation and quintin is just the gift that keeps on giving because months ago he could have just stopped being an idiot and he would be fine he would have recovered from the me and rags thing very quickly but now it's just one of the 10 million things he's done you're like no no one cares about him anymore everybody's moved on and then he comes out with this just keeps stirring him apart i don't even know why he hates mumke so much isn't it literally come from the fact that he said he was annoyed that mumke called him a fat cuck that was it yeah i mean they didn't ask a lot of people if that's all it takes i'm gonna fat cuck but anyway even if it's just the specifically the words fat cuck that set him off he still must take a lot you gotta get a thicker skin quiddin uh let's know how you win well it looks like it looks like his skin's pretty thick he's got thick bones he's saying he's two people's worth of people i'm saying he's more of a person i'm saying he gets to vote twice that's gonna be code for someone's fat in future he gets to vote twice like what the fuck does that mean we're like well he gets to vote twice that's not how you win wolf you don't win by killing what you hate but saving what you love at least wolf's watching elita before it becomes property of mickey uh is it gonna be walked out i don't know i don't know that's when you guys gonna do a drunk speedrun of re2 remake for efab gaming is that co-opable i don't know if it is we could but if it is that means it would be two of us right well unless the the plan i think is to do left for dead next at some point um it'll be me wolf rags and then a fourth person who really likes left for dead i guess hey thanks for checking out my video oh that's the uh the major bluetooth one that was the very good the amazing crazy good crazy good yeah all you jack solo we did read that come on guys at least we got keith richards oh from the pirates films i think that is yeah he's in two of them it's not bad an efab haiku ryan johnson set you cast quintin as laia source bilbo baggins i don't know if you can trust that but i think if that's episode nine stuff then maybe literally a super chat let's fuck you disney i think that's because of the um do you remember we did that at one point tonight we looked at the the galaxy heroes thing yep feels like a different we will never forget was that today that was yes oh my goodness dante boss goes who goes voice actor was in the skits in nostalgia critics top 10 avatar episodes video trust me the this video isn't his lowest oh my i don't think wolf knows about that he was in the start oh laia the rescue especially with dante basket's involvement makes me want a huge more amount of suicide that was it uh tonal bloke said a huge more amount isn't that amazing a huge more i remember that god damn it you guys everybody an hour into the last efab until you are making another i can't finish what evisceration before you start another you'll have time you don't have to have to catch up hi everyone just saying thanks for another efab good cure for depression oh i i he's got xd after it i think it adds to it honestly an efab haiku annihilation you get to look at women best film of the year majorly would have to like it would have to i'm here my lords here is my money for slanish rags and wolf you slanish worshipers that's gonna happen every efab now isn't it yep hey wolf hey hey wolf hi all right please rip apart wren's reviews terrible mission impossible fallout review the film is objectively great and was my top film of 2018 blessed be the pikeman we are planning to do that and the guy who made the videos already hit me up on twitter saying if you cover it please let me come on to talk about it and i was like sure we uh once we cover it once we get around to it we are it's in the pipeline because literally wolf loved that film i think it was really awesome i'm pretty sure rags gonna like it i am very interested in hearing the arguments i really do want to see it going to sleep love y'all subscribe to dr genesis is it just me or does mark brown sound like j i don't jade mark brown very different i hope not i mean oh he's got a nice voice he just doesn't say anything with it uh hey efab as saw you watch the cw meme i made hope you liked it working on more it's not much but here's a little something in the meantime uh feckless duo was he the one which memes did feckless duo make i'm assuming cw stands for civil war maybe um i could have sworn he made the clone wars one actually oh yeah he did that was the one we watched today oh that makes sense okay it all makes sense to me now yes and it was cool thank you very much very kind uh wolf up the hurry fuck and dead a lesion in monster hunter world already he'll get around to it i'll try super chatting that's a good trick i just entered the chat but i want to know wolf have you seen the talking trip yeah he did answer that does this guy not know how to drive what would that be a reference to mark brown map man bad let's just play witcher three and at no point failed to get immersed because of a dotted line yeah i'm so sorry i'm so sorry mark that you had that problem like what a pity that you couldn't wow just i am so sorry for you mark um this game isn't immersive enough for him because it doesn't let his character have autism that that could be it you don't know wait the map marks all the key doors and what key needed but not the chain doors i'll check that when i get home i never noticed that that's uh james morris he's the one that was interested in talking about resident able to i believe so that's probably all that is resident able to is a masterpiece rags just can't play video games it's okay rags i despise the combat resident able to that was the remember the back forth um yeah more you need to think it's a masterpiece but i think it's that's all right um well he's good very immersive sounds great see this video proving ocarina of time is a master class in subtext just search for ocarina of time a master class in subtext probably need to play it right the way through this or maybe i could check it out to be honest playing on hardest difficulty is my default uh depends on the game for me especially if when you hover over the hardest difficulty and it says do not play this on your first attempt i'd be like okay um breath of the wild did maps and hints quite well for all the idiot enemies of efap here is mola arguing in favor of subjectivity against people making false objective arguments the solution is to have both options for both types of games yeah that's actually kind of interesting because what we said he was saying like it's more immersive to do x and we're like immersion subjective your argument doesn't follow like we're arguing for subjectivity in this bizarro lad uh in morrowind everything was written in your journal from directions to quest updates and sometimes the directions would be wrong i still get east and west mixed up because they got the they got them wrong so often really the game got east and west wrong not Bethesda by by both of you being able to disable the waypoints yeah i had to find points in the middle of the woods in both the winter northern eastern us and summer hawaii in the middle of the night uh i'm assuming they mean like irl i had to have 10 meters accuracy to find a hidden strip of tape usually tagged on a tree i was given a us gs topo map a compass and a measuring device i wanted to cry it's tough it's tough to do well maybe they should invent some form of a dotted line i could possibly assist you have to leave a breadcrumb for other players to follow you you mean like some kind of device that can show you a map update your location on that map maybe yeah i'm sorry he says that over footage of assassins creed black fab black flag but the game has the same kind of treasure map system of red dead a map with an image of the island coordinates to find it fail with the reward what the hell he did follow up with mentioning that i think the thing is that's the point the video's all jumbled he's like he mentions you can turn things off he mentions that it maybe would just be good enough if he just added some quests that require critical thinking and stuff it's like what do you want mark what do you want you know what a hospital looks like the video basically is like him trying to say this thing is better but he knows that it's just his preference so he can't commit to anything it's what i got from it maybe just some more optional ones i don't know i don't know guys come on um uh rags just wanted to mention you're correct about water not being wet you're not your fault others fail at logic and cr i loved your fallout 76 review yeah that was great it was great it's clear that i can't go much it went into it um you deserve all the praise that you're getting red dead redemption two does everything he asks and yet he hated it called it antiquated even really i didn't know anybody didn't like red dead redemption two i only heard good things sure you can you can have a game that fulfills like a load of criteria that you have and told us like that game that's that's okay i feel i'm curious what do you well maybe we should maybe there's a video for that mark brown calling that game antiquated like uh do you mean the mechanics are antiquated i don't know maybe i shouldn't be asking because there's just a comment i should probably look at the actual video anyway hey wolf would you suck on oh right he read that doxels revolutionized gaming because it has no jump button it's something i once said as a joke and i wouldn't be surprised if that guy says it might do i pressed my button three times and i wasn't bored that's a deep reference petition to change game makers toolkits named to downward press oh it took me longer to get that than it should have beautiful i still haven't got it should i should i've got it what do you do with buttons oh if there was anyone in verbs yeah do you mean verbs i meant verbs i didn't say it i feel inadequate you verb inadequate you verb verb uh some strange things to read out if there was anyone who had any passion in video games and or in making them they would already know this true did you know you can aim down sights and shoot at the same time such a brilliant combination of verbs do you know that super chat came in before he did that bit by the way oh really that wasn't even a reaction i remember reading it and thinking like oh shit i think he does actually say that rags fucks to the rhythm of a mark brown video confirmed no we said he mutes it it's in the law he mutes it um says it in a way that makes you think guys geez just gonna break after a rough day so far glad to see y'all were streaming and made my day a lot better thanks guys no problemo i'll debate you but no rags in the chat oh from creamy sheave hey molly here's some money for rags this fallout 76 video of course get some salary rags it's more filling than this i'm gonna i'm gonna have a bunch of broccoli and chicken i have chicken and broccoli i've finished all my mushrooms and i think i i've got bacon and eggs i don't even know what i'm gonna do i'm not gonna go very stopping fuck it i i don't even think i'm gonna state to fucking stand right now i'm too depressed i just gotta crawl over to the kitchen and you just suck the eggs right out of the shell and just take a nap on the bathroom floor mark brown has killed you rags well this is over five just self a dice peach i think they're referring to a butt take a shower every time mark brown says bib no uh dice removed microtransactions from battlefront to january 2018 i don't know what game majorly was playing just wanted to clear that up interesting uh yeah we didn't know enough about it to be able to call him on any of the specifics um but we knew enough to know that what he was saying was test and we fucking all the top comments were like are you serious he's defending style about from two and i was just like well maybe and they did they took out the microtransactions and then they put them back in how mario's secret jumps subverts your expectations mark is a strip club to pen 10k to get blue balls i mean that's the thing right that video if i was a patron i'd have been like okay hopefully the next one's a bit better i don't know it seemed like tug-and-cheek like maybe maybe the point was that the the secret was verbs do you reckon that's maybe what it was or something like a maybe a hidden subtext that we just didn't connect if it's a hidden subtext it's still a secret if it's a secret you can't tell people it or it's not a secret anymore i don't want to tell anybody i just want to know what it is i don't know he'd be telling people what it is then it wouldn't be a secret well i don't fucking care of the title said the secret of mario's jump if it's in a public youtube video it's not a secret i don't fucking care i want to know the secret the title would make like the video if it fulfilled it's fine i want to immediately make it suffer doesn't matter i want the information call it what you will um i need to care it between my buns i went on re2 and checked on the map it doesn't show the icon but if you go over the door spot it tells you if oh you what you responded to that didn't you by the chain door you said something like you walk up to the chain door you'd know it's a chain door or something i need to play that game because i've got no context for all this uh unrelated but hey rags tried doom 2016 after hearing everyone rave about it but got motion sick after 30 minutes we'll keep trying to make harper rags proud uh that's a shame adjust the fov maybe that's the issue yeah it could be maybe make it smaller or who knows uh oi moly iron man three an unbridled praise when it's gonna be a rage i'm going to shred that movie when i get around to it also thoughts on jj using time travel in episode nine since you missed my last super chat wait i think that's a joke he's using time travel in episode nine is that a thing is that confused theory to undo everything that happened in the last shed i thought they were trying to say that that's been like announced that's not been announced right i hope not that's gotta be a joke let's go i hope that's a joke because i wouldn't take stalls seriously ever again uh as opposed to now that now you can yes i can totally take it seriously right now that's a good point it'll help but um gods it would be interesting if they did actually because i'd be like hey maybe they can fix everything actually it'd be good they pull a ghostbusters that that one movie just it just did happen uh don't worry rags you have a card in a card game now i'm not sure what that's referring to them all to correct sort of the stranger i'm assuming that might be a i watched one of the stranger and i liked it rags why did you have to mention the reimaginings of a certain scene in princess mononoke why do you have to do this to my childhood i don't know what you mean i don't know what they mean blessed be the mixed dog man and the rhino milking jar jar boy praise be the milk here is some sugar money boys rhino milk sugar money my problem with resident evil two is the serious continuity errors with any second campaign leon killed why i shouldn't have read this i can't need to play this game yeah don't read it if it's got spoilers don't read it uh removing atom from h2o it's not equal wet hashtag team wet i don't i don't i yes resident evil one remake and resident evil four the best ones every other game in their series is literally between an eight and a five except for that umbrella umbrella core abomination is that the zombie one no that's like a team dm it's like a third person it's horrible yes and the final one from j axes since since congrats on your fallout 76 video mohler and cj another one's come in since since you read that out that's your opinion this is a serious question for rags and cynical reviews if both if you both expressed your nuanced curiosities together by letting the rest of efab cast lick mac and cheese made of whole rhino milk by the way off your cute little tummies what would you do to reciprocate such affection it's okay we're adults we can talk about these things uh well that is um hmm uh i think that i think the uh hmm my cute little tummy hmm mac and cheese on my cute it's rhino cheese the rest of the efab cast i would say i would do something like eat a carrot sandwich but that doesn't work in this situation what about a piece of bread between two carrots i mean i wouldn't want you see that's the thing about like the my fur on my belly is smooth like suede it is it is absolutely wonderful pleasing to the touch it's so tactile um it's does it have a good game feel oh it's got great game feel okay good like you wouldn't believe so responsive well every every verb you could imagine all at once well i just had pubes up and down my body and it's like a fucking uh fucking fucking scourer you got a smooth yourself hmm uh well in in response i'd say you know if you've got some peanut butter i'm sure we could make it work to answer the question i i don't particularly enjoy eating off of people's bodies nor them eating on that's not quite my thing i i i was assuming this was hypothetical no no i think we have to do we've got two memes in from twitter just gonna go ahead and post we got um i'll try i saw that i'll try stumbling that's a good tree then uh you got the rhino with the well the the cow with the rhino stitched onto it the spider oracle just drawn like milk i think that rag rag his bowl with a carrot and a piece of bread and a press verb to verb then verb to do another verb mark totaled bag oh that must have been made so quickly because the carrot and red meat was great yeah they this is what we're talking about the the meat is dedication easy either either this was made incredibly quickly or this person just had that image on hand if they had a spider oracle they would know with the spiders yeah oh yeah maybe they just asked a spider what the new they would know oh man hey rags what was a dog doing in m c j r o t c oh mascot odd jobs around the you know just this and that is helping out keeping up morale rags your feelings towards outer worlds um cautiously optimistic uh don't i don't don't pre-order don't don't commit but i'm cautiously optimistic it looks promising from anonymous jay your call it reviewed review videos sucked is though i'm proud of those videos there you go uh so to close out well i mean we'll watch this then i'll close out but i just want to watch the e-fap dance again is that is everybody everybody's still in this i'm down with it let's do it yeah let's do it all right here goes put your volume and and seizure reduction maximum technology appropriately take out your headphones just put it up full volume this actually does give me a headache it's such a dense meme oh that's great the fact that it's a silhouette of jarred and everyone knows that's good quality family entertainment oh and if if you keep that icon jay though the the actual the jay of your fat art eventually they'll start using that the beams i was seeing that as well i was like maybe finally finally they won't just have to use like the text of my name because that was like a pretty bad icon of your you gotta commit commit to something you know i mean you commit to an animal just go with it like see jay did like i don't even use much anymore yeah good boy um but yeah i guess we're coming to the end so let's do let's do the thing cj do you want to give a moment to say that people should subscribe to your channel and why one might wish to do such a thing i make videos where i hate fat people he hates people i can vote twice this is ultimately a political position he holds yeah well i i uh basically i review things for the sake of comedy mostly movies uh but i take the piss out of things basically and just have a moan i've also made topic based videos but i'm going to be making less than from now on so basically if you'd like those channels where people shut on movies uh you might like my stuff so yeah go and check it out um i also have a podcast uh called the great british podcast with uh fox's productions and cynic snacks who've also been on e-flat before uh we we joke about stuff talk about stuff we read out bad fan fiction uh play cards against humanity stuff like that it's a good old time it's a good old time uh so yeah so any of that sounds good do feel free to check out my channel i would i would give it my recommendation i believe rags mic too yeah i like it jay why do you hate it guys i'm sorry jay why do you hate his channel because he's a racist yeah because of the verbs yeah not enough well why don't you explain why your channel is better and that people should subscribe to it instead oh i wouldn't say my channel is better um i hate that as well he just can't know it's worse it's definitely worse oh i mean if i did just make a video about uh someone who was basically made an entire comment thread at me um where the where i made a neutral video about the last jedi right not talking about the actual film talking about things people had said about it and then someone in the comments essentially left me an entire thread where basically what they were saying was they were accusing me of not liking the film as if i'd like chat on their mother's grave yeah and i hadn't even said anything about the film so i've just made a video about that person who loves the last jedi so much that they feel the need to tear down neutral videos about it so if that sounds like the kind of thing you're not with us you're against that's if that sounds like the kind of thing you would enjoy then and pop over to my channel and give it a look um but i do have to warn you you won't enjoy it because it's bad yeah there's no verse no pipe man there's no verbs there's no verbs and i get to the point where i'm like me and rags say anything there's no point right if you're subscribed to be rags a child a little way here like it's kind of weird but okay you're not a real friend do you think there's anyone out there who likes efap but does not like the main uploads from me wolf or rags you reckon that's a thing it's possible it's possible there are people people listen to the conversation but they're not interested in the videos yeah interesting there's a very different forms of content there's got to be people who don't like you know long form essentially essays interesting uh rap boy said yeah but i don't know how much we can believe it we truly believe rap boy i don't know oh man bad yeah that uh it should pretty much wrap it up it's one last uh was there one last super chat oh you're right i have to go adult now but great stream y'all really got my money's worth apologies you guys had to put up with so much tizm lol i mean mark brown why do you even like quantify that in terms of tizm right there's like so many fields and categories i need to lie down and eat i need to just turn on the shower and just let the water run down my little cute tummy we will get to the point on e-fab where we've covered every creator at least once it'll happen we'll get to an episode 10 billion and we will have covered them all but that i was going to say like there's no reason we should ever return to mark brown now that's like the mark brown episode we we got so frustrated we compared him to gamer for bars i think that like i think that does it so um he'll make it into meme hood i imagine game makers to look at he was already in there before we even covered him so that's how things work but anyway it's been wonderful thank you all again to the community for the incredible memes the they're all wonderful but like that fucking kingsman one yeah like that you've got some sick fans we know that took you ages like guy who made that i know it took you hours and hours and hours and you were you were slaving away while doing something like listening to something i'll do something you were moving those pictures being like i'm literally trying to make a rendition of like a guy on the internet stabbing somebody who he disagrees with on stuff why what am i doing but you did it you completed it it was wonderful and it made all of us laugh you had the audience loved it so thank you very much for the the investment the time the passion it's all beautiful and thank you everyone for um the very kind donations thank you for the guests for staying so long and uh thank you for watching but that's about it so goodbye everyone you're gonna say goodbye no none of you goodbye right now