 Okay, we'll call the 17th regular meeting a common council order so would you call the roll, please? Not excuse Excuse Warner Corms present Alderman Warner take your honor would move to prove the minutes of the November 15th and 22nd Meeting of the last of the common council that they be approved and the same standards entered on record Moved in second approved the minutes of the previous meetings under discussion Hearing none all in favor Opposed motion carry Alderman Serda, would you lead us in a pleasure, please? I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America Into the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all would you remain standing, please alderman for a moment As you know last week alderman Peterson lost his battle with cancer Peggy van Akron wife of former alderman in current state representative Terry van Akron and daughter-in-law of Alderman Donald van Akron also lost her battle with cancer I Extend my sincere sympathy to their families They will both be deeply missed and in honor of the memory of Peggy and Bob I asked that you join me in observing a moment of silence at this time, please Thank you two things before we get into the public forum We also got a letter from governor Doyle. It was sent the original copy was sent To mrs. Peterson Bob's wife Mary and it said I was saddened to learn about passing. I know he was a devoted I know he was devoted to his family and was a respected member of his community His contributions to the city of Sheboygan particular his efforts to revitalize the downtown will always be remembered I know this is a difficult time for you and your family. My thoughts and prayers are with you sign governor Doyle now with that position What we will do Is take names? For Bob's position for two weeks like we did previously when we filled alderman longumans chair and And the next meeting on the 20th, I believe If the council so wishes we could appoint an alder person at that meeting but Even submitting a name for the position now. You still must take out papers to run. It will only be a one-year Position you'll have to rerun again because it's in between Bob's terms, correct Steve So we will handle it the way we always do if someone is interested in running for the position Alderman Peterson's position Please submit your names to myself or city clerk and Then you will also have to take papers out. I do also Well, I already have one name been submitted today for the position Any questions on that? Okay Steve Resignations the letter From Mike hutz risk administrative officer to the mayor Communicating that He's intending to retire effective January 14th and his last workday would be December 30th That can be accepted placed on file and a letter from Bob Peterson to the mayor dated November 26th Indicating that he would have to resign as an alder That can be accepted file. Okay moving on public forum Frank coax in and can you give me your address, please? 2829 Erie Avenue And you will have five minutes sir. Thank you last time I was able to exercise the privilege of Addressing the council was November 1st and I made the assertion That Sheridan Park is filled land and from the expressions on some people's faces. It seemed to be Quite a surprise shortly after that There appeared a letter in the paper Which stated the same thing and I was curious so I called the gentleman who wrote the letter And I asked him how did he know that there was Garbage or trash or waste and The gentleman said that his father Worked for the city from 1925 to 1950 this gentleman is 71 years old very vigorous 71 years old full possession of his faculties and I said well You know, there's evidence that the park was already level terrorists by 1902 and without a moment's hesitation without Seconds pause he said well, of course my dad heard it from the old timers who worked for the city And it made sense because if there was there were city workers who had the same longevity of tenure that is Dad had 30 years thereabouts only five thirty years that would take him back to the turn of the century Which when you study the city maps seems to indicate that at least by 1889 The land was still sloping but by 1902 the land was level so something happened in the meantime He made an interesting comment. He said, you know, they didn't have waste management back then and to quote him He said any old hole was good enough to toss your garbage in I Said well, what do you mean? He said well? He had the furniture companies Crocker chair Phoenix attune He said you had the tannery Now that's a red flag And he said and then there's the brewery. He said there's an alley still there Go straight from the front of the brewery to the middle of the park You know, it's not too implausible to think that those businesses Through some agreement with the city Used that park space to dump materials Probably save themselves some money certainly would have saved the city some money in terms of manpower and fill to create level terrorists While I followed up on that I Called people at the Milwaukee branch of the DNR and the Plymouth office of the DNR. I Talked to Nancy Ryan at the Plymouth office And I said what happens if there are Materials that aren't Benign She said well You will not be allowed to develop it until an exemption is Granted and that exemption will require an investigation Jim Schmidt at the Milwaukee office of the DNR Told me that some of the things that you look for are have the materials migrated off-site There's testing involved quite a bit of testing and he even said that you may not be able to use the site if there is a horrendous methane problem and gave some reasons for that and and If The brewery was dumping organic materials there very likely to be a methane problem I talked to quite a few people's talked to Joseph Clark the project manager for the Kimmy report Dr. Ken Abbott at Alpha Terra who does soils testing and See one of the things that Jim Schmidt said is that there are Vapor probes that will reveal the presence or absence of methane or the extent of methane So I called Ken to find out what's involved in that. He said well You push a one inch slotted PVC pipe into the ground just above water level DNR requires that five days you sample it with the end open five days with the end capped and You send the results off They asked them well what kind of materials you get out of this as well out of six probes You'll maybe get a five gallon bucket. I said do you have to send it anywhere? He said nah So right now and this is what I mentioned to Nancy Ryan. I said right now the situation is basically don't ask don't tell See doesn't have to do anything about that park so long as we can't Excuse me. Mr. Cove. Okay, I'm sorry. I will be glad to continue this in a week Unless or three two weeks unless you want to hear more because I have the details. Thank you Thank you John Burner, please Mr. Burner, could you give me your address? 1919 Broadway. I'm sorry 1919 Broadway And you'll have five minutes or okay Mr. Mayor take it from an old man with white beard forget about the bridge across the river, please Trust me on this one Trust me and about that park if You know, there's methane gas in it I think we ought to fence off that park and not let anybody in it to disturb the soil. I mean We want little kids digging around in it Right if it's hazardous Well, anyway, I was gonna talk a little bit on this anyway I Took this I took 30,000 registered voters, right? And there's more than that and I took 3,000 I gave you instead of 2900 eight districts You buy that up and means there's 4,250 registered voters per district and you got 375 signatures per district Simple math So I don't say how anybody can say you had 100% off your district that meant somebody else's district didn't have anybody assigned that petition and You you should have if you really wanted you should have had more names because you had Bickey Meyer under radio. You had to press I Mean you're all in the press, right? You were taking signatures against the park You should have doubled that You had all the advertisements for free Yeah, I Got a letter from mr. Perez in the mail. I talked to you earlier this year And I've really been watching you during the common council meetings and I Wasn't happy with you mirror and I we were talking about you But I don't think you could even fill issues I Listen to you with people on the alcohol and tobacco committee. I Mean these people investigate people and you want to give somebody a second chance I Think they they they really check into this and I think they think of giving people second chances But some of these people I went person didn't even have an address send my mail to my ex-wife How can you give issue a liquor license to body with somebody that has no album address? That I couldn't understand and then some of the theatrics you put on in here that's That's for sure if you really want to change something you can do it through the common council because you're the ones that vote on it not the mayor and for the school tax when you argued about with this Tax from the school and the tax here You where is it seven percent? What was ours five percent? Right For four point seven five. I'll tell you what teacher's contract is coming up this year I bet you next year school tax seven percent plus goes up. I'd want to get off the school board soon to be mayor Another thing I've listened to people talk that we're with your group on There for you Which is good everybody should have their opinion They say you're gonna bring jobs Gonna lower taxes But you're raising taxes in one area. You're gonna lower them here. So they go up someplace else We need industry there's no doubt about it. I think another two companies if not one will go out of business in the next two years I See the school district Part-time help 12 bucks an hour plus benefits Walmart six bucks an hour no benefits The only way you can create jobs is either have them work for the city the county or the school district and until we get some decent decent Manufacturing jobs back in the city Hi, thank you Henry Capitilo Mr. Capitilo Mr. Capitilo, can you give me your address again, please? That's 16 19 North 38th Street in the town of Sheboygan Thank you, and you will have five minutes or and I'm here representing home Inc Again, I brought another article from the Sheboygan Press This one is from the Thursday December 2nd It says Plymouth lowers tax rate and levy It says Plymouth taxpayers got an early Christmas present Tuesday The Common Council passed a 5.5 million budget for 2005 that cuts both the property tax levy by 3% and the property tax rate by 9% Apparently the taxpayers of Sheboygan were not good this year because they got a tax increase the Other article is in the Sheboygan Press. It's in the editorial page. It's on the December 3rd Issue good news for taxpayers in Plymouth budget again tax cuts on the Sheboygan Press front page cover of the November 23rd It says city budget needs levy hike Well, I'll tell you what they didn't ask me because I definitely don't need a tax hike or a levy hike Maybe this is a misprint From the Sheboygan Press where it should read City budget needs 6% levy hike because city is under unable to control its spending and I was here at the last public hearing and I don't know if it did any good. You come here for a public hearing You basically make suggestions When I called the clerk's office. They said well, they're not going to really act on the budget It's basically the input and it'll probably be the next city council meeting Low and behold right after the public hearing Everything was voted in the tax levy the tax rate everything I'm pretty sure if all the municipalities got a letter from governor Doyle and says You know, we'd like to have you all come to Madison to give you input on how we're going to develop the The revenue sharing plan for this next year and everybody showed up at this meeting and then after the meeting Governor Doyle says to you. Well, by the way before you leave, let me hand out the next year's Tax revenue sharing plan that we have in place. I'll tell you most of you would be on the front page of the paper or the television stations would be quoting you of how this was a sham and that How can he ask you to provide input and then be there and not not take your concerns seriously Well, that apparently happens here because if you really did want to know what happens and what people think You'd at least wait some time or even review the things that they have to say The the other thing that I did say was you should probably look at making some cuts in some of the The benefit package that you have for the employees I think that's one of the areas the health care cost What I did is I took a copy of the information that you were looking at last week or I mean the last City Council meeting and on the the section that says narrative executive review Expenditures and this is from the mayor's office. It says Fund 101 by fund 2 and it says general mayor regular salaries 131,128 and Then it goes to Social Security, which is probably benefit package eleven thousand one hundred and seventy-one Also goes to Wisconsin retirement seventeen thousand one hundred ninety-six Also includes health insurance fifty six thousand one hundred and eighty-one dollars if you take this and You add up all the fringe benefit package according to these figures that are on this sheet You come up with a benefit package of 62.1% and Of that you're looking at health care benefits alone are forty point seven percent I don't know if the two means there's two employees there I'm pretty sure the mayor doesn't receive a salary of a hundred and thirty one thousand but if you're looking at their benefit package by the time you get through with that if You were to if you were to look at this and say well my god, what kind of what kind of benefit package do they have here? Even if let's say the mayor were to pay 20% of its health care costs you're looking that that would be if it's two employees We're talking five thousand dollars a year. It would save the city almost eleven thousand for that year If what the mayor said last meeting that the majority of the budget Which is? Your time. I'm sorry your time is up Thank you The next one is Dulce Johnson Dulce could you give me your address, please again? 1306 North 3rd Street And you will have five minutes Meershram and council members and mr. Capitolo. I share your frustration with the budget process I sent a letter to the mayor with copies to each of the alderman at the request of the mayor with numerous suggestions for Budget cuts it was circulated to any number of committees, but I don't think a single recommendation was accepted One of the issues on tonight's agenda is a consideration of the creation of a municipal court I wonder however if this is a done deal as document 17 57 by alderman graph already Authorizes appropriations from the general fund to the municipal court fund interesting At a time when you should be consolidating and sharing services you are creating a new bureaucracy a new empire Which will mean more employees more benefits insurance retirement a proposal that you already know Will lose money the first year and realize Insignificant earnings the second year and of course all of this is based on assumption Additionally the plans for the new police station We'll have to include a room for the court and I presume that the cost of this has been calculated in the cost of establishing the court You also have documents on the agenda to fund architectural plans for a new police station And I don't know where that's going now But some months ago police officer winter opined on the value of a north and south Substation in addition to a new main station in October the press carried a story about Appleton's police station the council they are held up money for remodeling their Existing downtown facility if you can believe it to consider instead creating precinct sites Maybe that's something that you should look at because the taxpayers cannot afford a new central station and two substations and Speaking of the police department even though the police opposed sharing dispatch services with the county This is not a reason to dismiss the idea The idea of shared services is in the best interest of your constituents instead of paying half of The county's dispatch services and a hundred percent of the cities You have an opportunity in the long run to save taxpayers dolly dollars by sharing services with the county And the time to do that is now It works in other counties and cities and it can work here if the dispatchers and police really want it to work It will With taxes going up 4.75 percent this year plus 36 dollars for the rain tax You have a responsibility to do everything you can to reduce the tax burden on your constituents And then we have the new fire station which is moving right along and I can't speak to the need for this new Station, but if the fire chief can spare three men to a new station as he has stated and not hire additional men You need to reduce the fire department to by three men Immediately because the chief seems to be saying that he has three extra firefighters somewhere All too often you seem determined to not take measures to save taxpayer dollars The marina proposal for mr. Rosenthal is a perfect example Even though the city cannot sell the marina mr. Rosenthal also proposed leasing the facility Which was the original concept when the marina was built Remember we were told that someone would pay a million dollars to operate that marina That has not happened and instead the taxpayers have subsidized it To the tunes of hundreds of thousands of dollars for many years and will continue to do so for many more years I know that mr. Rosenthal's latest communication indicates putting the marina issue on hold and instead concentrating on the riverfront slips first But you surely owe it to your constituents to lease the marina To mr. Rosenthal or to anyone else who makes such an offer Why is it so hard for you? to make decisions to Grow our tax budget our tax burden rather than to reduce it Finally I find it totally unacceptable that 28 percent of our city employee employees live outside the city Former alderman Schultz in a letter to the editor said that 25 percent of the firefighters live outside the city They have no problem asking for an accepting out-of-line pay increases and benefits But they obviously do not want to help pay their way and instead choose to live somewhere else This is an issue that the council must address and correct Many others share my frustration in the seemingly oblivious way that you continue to spend and spend With little regard to the costs incurred and what those decisions mean to your constituents and an ever-increasing Property tax burden. Thank you Anyone else that's it. Okay, Alderman Berg you had something you want to say Take your time what I'd just like to get up and say tonight is We heard from my son-in-law first sergeant Timothy our knack from Iraq and He said I should thank the older persons the girls in the clerk's office the Office girls down at municipal building and some of the county supervisors that have been helping me and my wife send All these packages of all the items that they have been requesting which they really need bad And he wants me to thank everybody and I also want to thank the senior citizens at Sheboygan Regency house that I managed they've they stepped forward and most of all I'd like to thank shank business associates who have stepped forward and are Backing me with paying all the shipping costs for all the packages for Iraq So I just want to say thank everybody who's been involved with me and my wife for shipping these packages Thanks, Dan. Thanks for doing a good job Okay, we have one notice this evening and asked for a vacation and discontinuance of Niagara Avenue from North 6th Street To North 7th Street, and we have one document that goes along with that vacation and Alderman Warner Would you like to pull that ahead at this time? Yes, I'd like to pull ahead document 12 for There's RO 275 0405 It's document 12 for in matters late over Be on page 9 of the agenda Alderman Warner proceed I think your honor that would move to accept and file the report of officer and that the ordinance be passed We have a motion before us accept and file the RO and placed ordinance on passage under discussion under discussion your honor This vacation of Niagara Avenue will allow the Sheboygan senior community incorporated to move forward with the development of the landmark tower project This is the former Sheboygan retirement home and beach care center This they will pay all costs of relocating all of the services the public utilities that are there The project will be a great addition to the future of Sheboygan Sheboygan senior citizens and likely maintained Sheboygan's reputation not only is a great place to live but also a great place to retire and The plan commission also recommends approval There any other discussion hearing none, would you call the roll? Burg Bonet Serta graph laux Manny Montemayor Perez Segali Stefan Vander wheel Warner hi and Balmond 13 eyes motion carried. Thank you for coming this evening Or do you guys Okay, hang on guys. Which one is that Steve? Let's take 1665 also 1665 No, I got it. Okay. That sequence. Okay Alderman Warner Say that's Alderman Balmond. Excuse me Alderman Balmond Well, thank you your honor on the 1665 I've moved that the resolution be put upon its passage We have motion in a second before us under discussion And this is authorizing entering into a development between the Sheboygan senior community ink in the city of Sheboygan your honor there is a mistake on page 2 Paragraph number three Okay To where the third sentence down in states of Niagara have no between north 60th Street and north 7th Street It's just should say 6th Street Good night After another discussion, would you call the roll please? Bonet Serta graph laux Manny Montemayor Perez Segali Stefan Vanderweel Warner Balmond Ember 13 eyes motion carry now. Thank you for coming this evening We also have a hearing this evening a Hearing is scheduled this evening relating to the city of Sheboygan, Wisconsin industrial development revenue bond series 2004 panna class USA ink project in the mount of three million two hundred thousand dollars Any interested persons wishing to be heard on a hearing? Any interested persons wishing to be heard all of them in graph Yeah, I moved that the hearing be closed We have motion a second before us under discussion Hearing none all in favor I posed Motion carried Did you want to pull that one ahead also? No, no, okay? We don't need to Okay Alderman Warner consent agenda Thank you, your honor. I move that all our rules be accepted and placed on file all our C's be accepted and adopted and all resolutions Substitute resolutions and ordinances be passed That motion before said all our O's except be accepted and filed our C's be accepted and adopted Resolutions and ordinances be put upon their passage death 17 one through 1728 under discussion Alderman Graw Thank you, your honor. I'd like to pull forward 1721 Okay, and I need to make an amendment after out the word file And so the period it should be a comma and then and And the words and to approve the sale of the land should be at it And I would so move Okay, we have an amendment on the floor of motion a second to amend the document Is there any discussion? If not all in favor I pose motion carried Then your honor as amended I would move that the document be put upon its passage Moved in second a document 1721 be put upon its passage under discussion Hearing none sue. Would you call the rule, please? graph I laux Manny Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan Vanderweal Warner Bowman Berg Bonet Serta 13 eyes motion carried Everything else 17 one through 1728 Alderman Vanderweal Thank you, I'd like to pull a 1728 and our first ask for an explanation of what was behind this if I could Finance Alderman Stefan or graph wants to speak on that or Rich this amendment was initiated by the county who was changing the rates for the dog licenses and The it is of course under state statute that the county has as the authority over the dog licenses And they they receive the fees except for administrative fee that we receive The council Has elected to have Cats also licensed and in the past we have kept the cat licenses the same as the dog licenses But that's under the progative of the council how they wish to do that For any other questions I can try to answer Thank you So We have to do this because the county has the dog licenses is required. Yes, but the cat licenses Yes, you would not have to have cat licenses at all except our our ordinance has that in has been there for decades But not all cities have to have cat licenses So we have no control over the the amount for the dog licenses correct correct Thank you Also another point of clarification on the exact same Ordinance is that the city only retains 25 cents per license for the dogs that being either the The $5 fee which the county does initiate and the $12 ours being five and a quarter plus 12 and a quarter Also for the cat licenses the city does obtain Only 30% of that the rest does go directly to the main society There's no other discussion Lokes Manny Montemayor Perez So golly Stefan Vanderwheel Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta and graph 13 eyes motion carried 1729 through 31 to be referred and 1731 was brought in by Alderman Montemire not Alderman Sugali correct, right? Okay 1732 hold for 1752 and then 1732 through 46 to be referred 1747 resolution by Alderman Graf for a final resolution regarding the industrial bond Revenue bond financing for Pana Plast USA ink Alderman And I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage It's been moving a second resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Alderman Stefan Yes, your honor. This is regarding a grant that the this firm got the state I just think we should maybe explain it to the people, you know to graduate the company and let them know what's going on here I don't know if you know the representative wants to do it or One of you guys want to but I think it should be noted Sir good evening. Good evening. My name is Kevin Gore. I'm the managing director of Pana Plast How do you spell your last name sir Gore? HR HR. Thank you The monies from this industrial revenue bond are for Capital equipment to increase our capacity Excuse me to supply a little nervous To supply our markets in pipe and where I think Equipment will add 10 to 15 people During the 2005 Extremely nervous. I don't speak in public often. So excuse me I'd like to thank everybody for their support and We look forward to growing even further in the upcoming years Well, thank you for believing in Sheboygan and growing here. We appreciate that. Thanks Okay, there's no other discussion. Would you call her all Manny? Montemayor Perez Segali Stefan van der wheel Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta graph Lokes 13 eyes most and carried 1748 by Alderman graph authorizing accepting funds from the Sheboygan area school district recreation department for receding Kwanis Park Alderman graph And I would move that this resolution also we put upon its passage Move this second a resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Alderman Warner When our discussion your honor, I've just all them and graph could explain exactly what they said I think it's kind of interesting No, I'm sorry, I can't because we just accepted their money and for the receding project So I don't know if rich has any additional information on that or Tom It's for receding the athletic fields at Kwanis Park. It's about 1500 bucks. I believe worth a grass seed I don't know where the money came from From the school district I didn't know that part We got the money, but we don't know where it came from Here Okay, good Very good All in favor pose motion carry Thank you Alderman graph 1749 resolution by Alderman graph authorizing transfer appropriations in the 2005 budget Alderman graph The honor I would ask for a suspension, please We have a motion before it's in the suspension. Are there any objections to the suspension and then proceed? I would ask at the resolution. I would make a motion that the resolution be put upon its passage Do I have a second? Okay under discussion your honor. This is so that I Need library can move 99 thousand four hundred dollars from their fund equity to restore the seventy five thousand dollars That we cut or we reduce their budget by earlier This year or in November, I guess it was and then also to restore the salary and fringe benefits that they had taken out And this will have this will give them an opportunity to be open on Friday of the correct extend our work Okay, if there's another discussion, would you call her old please? Chris Segali Stefan Vander wheel Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta graph Laux Manny and Montemay or 13 eyes motion carry 1752 through 63 to be read Alderman Warner Oh, excuse me 1750 and 51 layover 1750 51 layover, okay Alderman Warner on 1752 you're speaking on actually actually your honor in 1732 and 1752, okay On that your honor first I would make a motion to suspend the rules Is there any objection to suspension? Alderman Perez I'd like to object and I'd ask for an explanation before we roll on it. Okay Alderman Warner The reason is as I intend to accept to file the RO and that the resolution be put upon its passage All of my prayers you're still on Thank you. Thank you mayor Yes, I'm a could you explain why the urgency here to move along and Hire a half a million dollar architect outside firm. Sure. I'd be pleased to thank you bet On that your honor first out. We got a more than suspension the rules Steve I Think the question is Alderman Perez is trying to find out why you're asking for suspension Okay, the reason I'm asking the reason I'm asking for suspension is to allow the process to move forward This year so that the design firm that was picked by or by the group that reviewed the consultants and the architects Can start this year getting ready to prepare? Next year to move forward with the project just gives them a couple of weeks if they we wait till the 20th What ends up happening is there's very little activity from the 20th to the end of the year This allows them a couple of weeks to kind of get things set up Prior to the holiday season which most businesses have a difficult time operating there in those times because of people Indication along holiday week, so this will just help things a little quicker Okay, now we got a vote on a suspension, so hang on because there was objection to the suspension correct Call the roll, please Okay Let's start with Segali Stefan Vanderwheel Warner Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta graph Lokes Manny Montemay or Perez Ten eyes three nose So is that Suspension the rules requires three-quarter vote. Okay, so that will it'll lie over till the 20th Is that three-quarter the members president or college three-quarters of the members elect of the council? So it would require 12 votes to suspend the rules. Okay All of them go Yeah, I'm just a side with that it's been brought up twice now that that's supposedly that The Sheridan Park area has fill in and it has to be be checked or may have to be checked. Has anybody looked into that? When you build anything you're gonna do soil checks before you build there in the first place Second place that's been a park for Parkland for over 150 years by someone. We're claiming just a few weeks ago Of course, we would do soil borings before any construction would start as we would on any site It's similar to the county site which actually has more modern materials Gasoline and fuel oils leaking into it and all those issues that were dumped there by the county In that case we did borings there and found out what the environmental status was and there's money in the budget To do that soil sampling there because we're not going to build on a site that can't be built on Pretty much a move point. Okay. I'll impress back Thank you, mayor. I guess I was a little concerned because I I understand There are some emails floating around in some conversation being exchanged about The county having an interest to to to look again at the 23rd location It appears From what I understand that all all if not most of the obstacles there were in the way at the time that Sheridan Park was Selected that those obstacles are no longer there. There's been I understand at least a couple of meetings hell some city people have attended and Those issues have been addressed. I think that if We allow ourselves maybe a little time for these individuals to step forward and perhaps Share with us some of their ideas and their concerns the main concern being the Loss of a great opportunity to really investigate and seriously take a good hard look at shared services I Also understand from some of our state legislators that in the year or two There will be strings attached to revenue sharing One big string will be You get revenue sharing in the same amount or less if you share or consolidate services So this is a pretty big thing in my mind that perhaps we should Allow these Individuals to come forward and I think these two weeks what weeks will do that And then we'll just take a look at the proposition and if it's a good one We'll consider it if it's not we move on but I think that the people involved were very respectable citizens and We should just wait a couple of weeks and then let's move on Okay, there are the other discussion Okay, if not we move on 1750 through to through 1763 to be referred 1764 to be referred 1765 by law and licensing recommending the nine taxi cab driver's license 6627 based upon failure to include all relevant relevant convictions on the taxi cab driver's license application Alderman Boone Thank You your honor Make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee We have motion that's not going to be for us under discussion now your honor. I'd like to ask if Steve Broder is present Would you like to speak to the common council? Not really sure what to say exactly. I Was just told to come here and try to Clean my case. I wasn't really Fully understanding what convictions I was supposed to list I thought it was just for a felony. I thought I listed that I guess I did not Basically, I really just need this job and I I I'm not really sure what else to say If I can answer any questions, I'd be more than happy to Alderman Boone your stuff. Thank you our city clerk could maybe explain the process for Starting with the fact of what's asked of the other person when they come up for the license Basically when we have either a taxi cab driver's license applicant or a bartender same process They come into the office and we take down the information their basic name address phone number all that kind of thing And one of the main things on our questionnaire that we enter into the system as we ask Have you ever? Had any convictions whether it be federal state local Ordnance violations any confrontation with police whatsoever ever that's what we ask everybody That's just a pat and what we ask And then we record whatever they tell us Okay, I guess the issue is here. You didn't record all the convictions and you didn't You weren't forthright with those you also I guess the committee took in review of that also with the fact that I mean There was a list of convictions behind that even on top of that that was as long as my arm In in very serious matters, so I mean that was what the committee reviewed at the time of the application I I I spoke with Miss Richards about certain convictions about the fines that I had to pay before I could actually get my license I thought at that point that all my convictions were out in the open That I did not need to list any other convictions I Was I was given a total and I was given a Period of time of which I could pay it while on a probationary period At that point I thought everything was holding the open. I I think as you didn't report all the all the convictions at the time So and it came back as recommendations from our city attorney's office in denial So and the committee was unanimous in the decision to deny the license Thank you All the women many Thank you, sir. A key thing for us, too Is that you are requested to come before the the committee so that we could discuss these things with you and have a good sense of? Overview about them before we brought that recommendation to this body So that's a chief concern too when you don't respond to that overture After two approaches to you and then we have to make a decision without your presence This was the first date that I was given was December 6 Actually had to take off of work to come here, so If I would have known ahead of time I would have been there Alderman Stefan Yes, my question originally was are these convictions relevant to having a driver taxicab license? I mean, I know obviously with bartenders license. We didn't we look at you know the type of conviction They are I guess I don't really want to know what they are necessarily because it's your privacy But do they are they relevant to driving a taxicab? That's why he came back with a recommendation of denial All in general thank you, honor So, did you did you receive any letters from the city stating that you should appear? Yeah, I received a letter That I was recommended that I was denied and they give it they gave it date of December 6 Did did you receive any letters before that? No, I did not So From what I understand he was not asked to come before the committee that's my understanding you did not receive any letters Prior to tonight correct I Guess I would make a motion to send him send his document back to committees so we can discuss it in committee Okay, we have motion in second before us to refer it back committee under discussion Alderman Manny did you thank you? I just very quickly I'll vote in favor of this, but then we'll expect you to be there so we can talk through it Well, thank you. Thank you. Okay Would you call her old? And this is to send it back to send it back to me. Okay Stefan Vanderwheel Warner Falman Berg Bonnet Serta graph Laux Manny Montemay or Perez and Segali Thirteen eyes motion carried you can call me to call our office tomorrow, and I'll tell you all right. What'll happen? Thank you Thank you 1766 by law and licensing recommending filing document authorizing the common council to present communications from citizens in their districts directly to the city clerk From the council floor Alderman Bonnet. Thank you, honor Make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee We have motion to second before us under discussion under discussion. I voted Against filing this I feel that is appropriate to bring documents to the floor in the last minute So I think it's gives the constituents an extra chance for having their voice heard to the people Alderman Warner, thank you, honor. I too will vote against against filing this I think I Presented is on behalf of dr. Carl table at his request to allow the presentation of public communications to the clerk directly from the council floor I Don't recommend that we do that with every document that comes in But if you happen to get one on a Saturday afternoon or a Sunday Before a common council and you can't get it into the clerk's office in time if you can bring it up But a clerk at that council meeting the feeling was that would at least allow a little little easier access to it I guess I don't see what harm it would do if you if you bring something in at that time It just might help that document get through Council process faster and get to the committee's faster to address the constituents concerns. That was The direction I wanted this document to take us in to allow keep doing it the same way We are getting our documents into the clerk so she can get them Set up and sent to the right committees on our agenda, but allow the presentation of ones That you get from people right before the council meeting after the agenda came out that they can just get into the console quicker that way all the way against violence All of my mind to me Thank You mr. Mayor I'm not on that committee, but I attended that meeting and I and I did hear from sue that This was done in the past and it was stopped for a very good reason I don't know what the very good reason was but you did say that it was stopped for a very good reason to not Do this anymore and then also our question was If it's not on the agenda with a person's name and the letter How can we possibly legally address it that evening? I? Would say you probably shouldn't address it as far as taking any action on it you know as far as bringing it in given some explanation perhaps it's one thing but Taking any action. I would agree unless it's on the agenda Just want to reiterate it was done in the past and it was stopped for a very good reason We were told thank you correct and the reason was when the Alderman would come in there'd be four or five Communications two minutes or three minutes before the council started and at that time Pat would have to write down and figure out where these documents had to go to and It was a hassle this way if they they're presented before Like we're doing them now you can get them on agenda so people have a right to read them as we presently Yeah, right as we presently handle it And I believe that was part of the argument of not doing it any more bringing them in the night before right up the first Or the last minute before the council started Correct that's what I understand from Pat. Yes. Yeah Can't speak for the clerk's office, but I think it was done for you know to streamline the council meetings The communications could just as easily come in To the clerk's office get on the agenda and be part of the agenda and not I Recall in the old days Tulsi Johnson back there it was in her days when the Alderman would stand up and read the Communication and you know that would be handed to the clerk and the clerk and the mayor would decide where it's going to go You know certainly do that, but I think administrative Lee The council meeting flows a lot better when those come in to the clerk's office in advance and get on the agenda and just get referred And everyone has a chance to review them so you know what we're talking about all the press Thank you, your honor just I Serving the law and licensing committee and I voted to file this and I will both to file it tonight I agree with Alderman Werner that should this pass We wouldn't want to do this with every communication The fact remains you open the door to allow that to happen Up until now I don't recall having any communication from anybody about any subject that so eminent that needs to be Submitted in that night as it is now. We do have a short staff city clerk's office and I can see where it would create some disruption and perhaps Just totally disrupt the process we have now which in my mind. I believe everybody understands that it works Alderman Van Well, thank you, your honor My question is for a city clerk If I was to receive a communication Saturday or Sunday before a council when was the latest I'd be able to get it to For it to be on other matters. I Can do it the latest I'd like to get it is mid-afternoon of the day of the council meeting because I have to run the copies for all of you And get them up here So two o'clock in the afternoon would probably be in reasonable time two three at the latest probably okay Thank you Alderman Warner Thank you, and I remember well how it used to function you skit this little header Stapled to your document from your constituent that the clerk would have to type out all those things and have them on everybody's desk And then each council member that had something coming in would read theirs and and bring One two three four five of them up to the clerk and say submit it to the common council by myself They do that all the time and that wasn't the intention of this at all to get back to that totally That was just to allow us to bring a document in Give it to the clerk It's going to get into her office. She they're gonna have to decide which committee it goes to and forward it to them We won't know that at the council meeting. It's not discussion or passage of the document It's just allowing another avenue of getting a document in and letting the people know That that their document was was sent into the clerk's office You know, we may not think some of the concerns that citizens bring forward are important But when a citizen gives you a document and a concern on a piece of paper, it's important to them So that's why I brought this forward. I think, you know, we're not here for what's important for us It's what's important for the people bringing their concerns to us. I'll vote against filing Okay, there's another discussion You on a roll on there, okay This is a motion to file the resolution, right Van And I vote would be to file. Thank you Vanderweal Warner Bowman Berg, no, excuse me Okay, Bonet Serda graph Lokes Manny Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan on nine eyes for nose Okay 1767 By public works recommending approving the stormwater utility fee adjustment policy alderman ballman The honor had moved that this document be accepted and filed and the resolution Well and the resolution also filed. Yep, okay We have motion to second before us that we accept and adopt the report a committee and a resolution be filed under discussion Your honor document 1768 actually is the replacement for that one 1767 Shouldn't have even come to council be very honest. So if I could your honor could I just move to 1768? Well, can we file 1767 first all in favor of the motion? Opposed motion carried. Okay, 1768 all in favor. Thank you on 1768 I would move then that the report a committee be accepted and that we pass the general ordinance We have a motion a second before us under discussion hearing none. Would you call the roll Warner? Bowman bird Bonet Serda rough Laux Manny Montemayor Perez Segali Stefan and Vander wheel 12 eyes one no motion carried 1769 through 1770 will lie over 1771 to be referred 1667 Submitting a communication from Chris Keene-Farber to asking for permission to hold a MS walk in the city of Sheboygan Who brought that one in? It's just me and so Well, we need a motion to accept and file Alderman We have motion in a second before us under discussion Hearing none all in favor Opposed motion carried 1637 by Alderman Bowman Warner and Graff authorize the purchasing agent to enter into a contract for the purchase of software and equipment to Upgrade Sheboygan's transit fare box system Alderman Bowman. I Thank you again your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have motion a second before us under discussion Hearing none. Would you call the roll Bowman? Hi Berg Bonnet Serta graph laux mani Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan Vander wheel and Warner 13 eyes motion carried 1638 a resolution by Alderman Stefan Berg mani and Montemire authorizing a transfer of appropriations in a 2004 budget Alderman Stefan you want to take 39 to you if I could please Okay, I moved the Resolutions 1638 1639 be put upon their passage We have motion before us in a second under discussion Hearing none. Would you call the roll Berg? Bonnet Serta graph laux mani Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan Vander wheel and Warner. I'm sorry and Bowman I did it I did it 13 eyes. Sorry Dennis motion carried 1620 we have a RC by special committee on risk management recommending filing documents admitted a claim from state farm insurance on behalf of our Carney and Carnes for alleged damages to her vehicle when it was struck by a police car in paying the claim in the amount of $1,500 Alderman graph Thank you, your honor. I would move that that RC be accepted and adopted and then also 1621 which was a Claim from Lori Cappellan for alleged damages to her vehicle while when a rock when a rock flew up From a city Sheboyin truck as she was traveling on highway 23 the committee Recommended that that claim being denied and city attorney send notice of disallowance. So I would also move that that RC be accepted and adopted We have a motion before us for 1620 and 1621 that Darcy's be accepted and adopted under discussion Hearing none would you call the roll? Bonnet Serta graph. Hi laux mani Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan Vander wheel Warner Bowman and Berg 13 eyes motion carried 1654 general ornance by Alderman Warner Vander wheel and Serta creating and establishing a minibus municipal court for the city of Sheboyin Alderman Warner, I think your honor. I move the general ordinance be put upon as passage Alderman Warner Do you want to take all of them? Or do you want to do one at a time? Well, I can do them all Probably might want to do this one first. Yeah, I want you to 1654 first under discussion under discussion your honor Of course, we do have rich gabard here and and other members of the staff if anyone wants an explanation on this But first I would say I truly believe the establishment of a municipal court in a city of Sheboyin isn't the best interests of the city And that really is the bottom line The circuit court system is not geared to resolve Municipal issues and concerns at the level that a local municipal court will The special committee took a year to study all the facts available. We did not cut any corners We surveyed cities across the state. We studied state law regarding the establishment of a municipal court I've got a bag here that has a documents in it Including the surveys of the different municipalities I mean we did our work and we are very confident that our work is correct and that recommendation is correct Providing better service to resolve local code violations and building inspection traffic cases and ordinance violations That's what a municipal court will do It will be a lower cost to the accused and yes more revenue revenue to the city a better and more effective way To deal with landlords that do not keep the properties up to city standards Thus improving the living conditions of some city residents Reduction in police overtime costs and more effective and timely processing of things like parking tickets The list goes on and on Sometimes we get snow snow emergency parking tickets dealt with right now in circuit courts in August The circuit court system is not a shared service To present and to present it as such is actually a stretch of the facts The circuit courts are greater to addressing crimes and larger issues But they are not really responsive or good at dealing with the local concerns and that is not their fault They just are not designed to do that Municipal courts are designed to address local court enforcement issues The special committee talked to our neighbors Did you know that over 50% of state municipalities have municipal courts? And that number is increasing every year There's a reason for that our neighbors the village of Kohler the city of Sheboygan Falls They have approved the establishment of municipal courts Our neighbor the city of Plymouth has an established municipal court We have talked to each of these communities and in those talks found their reasons mirror ours For the for recommending the establishment of a miss a municipal court as a real shared service They will share the cost of the court reporting software that will be developed For the municipal court and that will link the entire city and county crime software system into the court system The system we now share will actually grow and help everyone If a municipal court and its obvious benefits are good for over 50% of Wisconsin municipalities If it's good for the cities of Plymouth and Sheboygan Falls as well as the village of Kohler I believe it will be good for the city of Sheboygan as well, and we should move this forward Under discussion hold them in pros Thank you your honor. I've always been a proponent of saving money and perhaps even generating money for our Short-string budget in this case, so I voiced my opinion more than once As far as creating a municipal court While the reasons may sound good. I don't know that the timing is good We are in a financial Mood right now financial atmosphere that that anything could happen and to go off and toy around with new business Ventures or try new things out For different reasons and we could come up with more reason than than 10 I don't know that it's very prudent for us to do that fiscally For us to do the issue enough citations and then let it go and let the county use their personnel their office computers Equipment staff everything their checks and mill it to us. We get close to half a million dollars Back to me to shared services darn good example of one and we're proposing to eliminate that and take our chances on a proposal that Gives us pretty numbers But nonetheless a loss the first year and probably a loss the second year because of the volume Of cases that are going to be generated I had a constituent called earlier today and wanted me to ask a question is what's going to happen with all those Finds are not going to be paid. Are we going to become a? Collection agency too. Well, we're at it might as well the other concern was that What business What bank and they're right my would finance a business plan under these terms I don't think there's very many of them. I know I wouldn't and that's why I'm going to vote against it okay Alderman Warner I just a couple of things your honor In first case, we have included unpaid fines at 25 percent in our estimated budget So we're taking that into account We also are recommending that They do not hire the part-time clerk. So all of those Numbers that are in there for the part-time clerk in the first year probably will not be Considered part of that budget riches run some numbers on this. He's got the information He feels confident in it and and we feel confident in it all these items have been discussed already I think it should move forward and I'd like to actually ask if we could have Larry hillbilly from building inspection tell us why this is important to the city of shabuagan We could have the police department Sergeant Kotowski our court officer. Tell us why this is important to the city of shabuagan I'd like to hear from Paulette and Steve tell us why the municipal court is important to the city of shabuagan And I would like to like to have rich address the financial aspect of it He's he's done run some wonderful numbers on this and I think this is important that we get all the facts And the reasons why this is important to the city of shabuagan Thanks There thank you your honor. I attended many of the meetings of the committee for the municipal court and in every aspect that I've see as they looked into the situation They used conservative figures as Alderman Werner said on everything they looked at as far as the fines and the Unpaid fines and even the revenue that's generated the figures that you have received were on a conservative side So I think the committee did an excellent job of studying this as far as building this Inspection is concerned. I think it's going to make a difference in quality of life for our citizens And that's what we look at for dealing with absentee landlords and citizens who don't necessarily Clean up their yard and obey the orders of the building inspection will have much time much more timely prosecution of issues like that and It'll it'll make our job much easier to Enforce the ordinances that that we try to enforce for the citizens and it does make a quality of life issue for for us So I'm open any questions if you have a building inspection in the way we would Enforce issues or All of them on there. Thank you. Mr. Mayor What is it that the county doesn't do for us that this would I? Think Alderman Werner addressed it many of the issues that we deal with we issue a citation or an order from our city attorney and the court system the county court system Tends to look at us as a lot in a less priority than some of the criminal cases they deal with So we are not on a high priority list. We do get postponed and different issues where with the municipal court we could schedule a timely court trial or whatever and The county system doesn't look at us with a priority and I think that's it's going to make a world of difference for the police Also because they can have a night court which would you know What would be a better for the citizens also so that they could come after work and go to court that way so it would make it would make the a Bit more quick The justice the justice would be quicker Because we can schedule it quicker and also the fines would be less if you if you read the document The fines would definitely last us a typical $50 fine right now is a hundred eighty one dollars. I believe With the county court cost and with the municipal court. I think it's going to be hundred and two dollars So if the bond schedule stays the same The the fines that the citizens would pay would be actually less So maybe the county could take six months and we'd take three or four months. I don't I don't know the exact scheduling But I Think it would probably be much less time than that now I do know the next document says we're going to add some more money on to the to the charge So the 102 will go up real quick, but thank you for your answers Follow me Bonnie. Thank you honor Does not a municipal court help us address the issue with some of our problem landlords in the city that we've had and actually being Against against this municipal court actually promotes that type environment and problems we have in our neighborhoods We will be able to address that issue quicker and faster and as we issue citations absentee landlords We found since we've begun issuing citations in city in inspection department this spring We have had more compliance with the ordinances because people get the the citation in the mail and they do tend to Call us back quicker and deal with that, but it will help us with landlords definitely because we can Get them to court quicker than it has in the past, you know, like Many times we do end up with three four five six months down the road when we actually go to court on an issue Just for clarification for the people at home What that's trying to say is basically with the problem landlords we have which I have several of them in my district Which we've gone out and visited Basically people who I mean standing against the municipal court basically promotes the fact of having those landlords maintained as they are as is In this community, I mean the problems we have will continue Problems will continue, but we'll be have quicker resolution of the problems. Hopefully with the municipal court. Thank you for clarifying that Anyone else? Thank you. Thank you Hey, all the many Thank you, your honor just a procedural question. This came from a constituent suggesting that there might be some sort of motivation a lesser fee if you pay at The court at the end of procedure or within two days as opposed to having the fee There as an ongoing fee that Then from that we get our unpaid fines building up to 25% built-in So I don't know how that might happen. I'm just asking if we might look into a procedural issue After this kind of thing is in place and perhaps that might be a way to cut that 25% down to 12% Thank you Any one all of an order who else did you ask to thank you? I think Sergeant Kotowski our court all services officer. I Don't know if I have much more to add than what all of an order I talked about I I had input on the committee from the police Aspect or point of view. I was asked to do research in regards to the overtime issue I do believe that the overtime can be cut in some respects because We're going to have input and we're going to be able to Work with the municipal court as far as scheduling of officers So some of these court cases can be handled while they're on duty instead of off-duty and there's there's overtime pay Again like Larry said also all of them were under it to look at at the the citation across the citations We're going to drop the amount of the fine, but yet the city is going to get more money for it I think that's very important as far as writing the writing the citations out I got a letter. I was asked to follow up on or the police department got a letter Deputy chief Sherman gave to me I was a woman who got cited in the city of Sheboygan on a traffic offense, and it was one of these 181 dollar fines and she was questioning as to why she lives in keel And why if she got arrested in keel the cost of that Citation are found to be so much less than we charge in the city of Sheboygan And that's because the city of keel has a municipal court and they're able to Have the fines lower, but for the same violations that we have Okay, so thank you All of them in Benwell Thank you, honor. I just had a question for the sure for the officer if you just comment on your department when they when they take it in the when there's a When there's a snow emergency, thank you when there's a snow emergency and you take it and then it first goes The court in july or august how many of those are dropped because it's 90 degrees outside and not snowing anymore I don't know if a lot of them are dropped because of that I think it's it's much easier to To prove your point or be able to have you know not not give a citation In the middle of winter when we just had a storm with 10 inches or 12 inches of snow And this person's trial is going to be held in july or august when it is 90 degrees outside It's hard to look back and say well You know that there's no snow on the ground now the municipal court you'll be talking about probably Right now when that when a person's given a citation They make an initial appearance in the in the respect of a parking ticket They can plead not guilty. They come to the desk and plead not guilty They're given a pre-trial notice where they can meet with the assistant city attorney And then after that point it could be anywhere from 60 to 90 days before it gets on the calendar to be heard in the in the Circuit court And then again if the court's busy or there's a adjourn miss It's going to be put off another two months the municipal ordinances are not a priority the more the criminal matters are So that's why it would get get pushed off and To be able to get it taken care of as soon as possible. I think it's much better To another discussion, would you call the roll, please? Excuse me. Go ahead. I would just say I prosecuted ordinance and traffic cases in both scenarios when I was first started Practice I practiced in Longview, Washington. I was assistant corporation counsel there and we had a municipal court And I prosecuted those cases for about three years and It works just fine Just as it works fine here in circuit court. There's pluses and minuses to both of these things You know one Plus two municipal court or many pluses have been discussed already one plus to the circuit court that you don't have in a In a city the size in municipal court is in circuit court. You've got five judges so There's there's some chance of Keeping One judge not straying too far from the mainstream if you will or from the consensus of the judges With municipal court, you've got one judge who's part-timer Under the ordinance it would be an attorney, but you hope you get a good one Because if you don't It may not be real happy with them, but the trend I've seen in Wisconsin the last Well since I've been here the last 17 or 18 years has been More going towards municipal courts as opposed to going away from them there. I think a lot of communities in this area in particular have Have started adopting them in the last five or so years You know, I Don't know exactly why that trend has taken place, but I think it's probably For a lot of the reasons have been discussed previously I think there is a feeling that you can the the closer you are to the the court system the more Justice you can you can receive it's Less removed removed from the general public I Think the inspectors and the police department indicated a lot of the positives There was one I should comment. There was one letter to the editor in the paper today about if Municipal courts created and if its Room is put in the new police station in Sheridan Park that it's going to create all this Increased traffic They were citing something like they took the 7200 cases that are referenced in the court budget and divided that by I think 24 part-time days and came up with 280 some odd cases a day that Would all be driving to the court, you know, there's real small percentage actually goes to trial a good number Pay their citation when they get it Some request Played not guilty and get a pretrial conference a lot of things are settled there. So, you know, you get I'd say, you know, probably 10% of the cases would actually go to trial maybe even smaller than that So you're not going to have an overwhelming number of vehicles whether you have it In City Hall on a temporary basis or at the police new police facility Thank you. Okay Alderman Montemire. Thank you, Mr. Mayor Steve you you stated the case very Accurably and fair and clear and I thank you for that. I have two questions If this passes the first judge will be hired appointed, right? after that elected And then the next question Presently about 10% of the citations that are given out Only 10% go to trial the rest usually just pay Pay or get dealt with in some manner short of having a trial. Yes some manner. Okay. So that's all I wanted to know. Thank you All in order. I thank you and I don't know if Rich has anything to add. I'd like to give him an opportunity You received the report from the Municipal Court Committee before that they had an opportunity to review So I won't go through a lot of detail a lot of the elements. I think it previously been stated such as we were looking at the Unpaid Court costs about 25% that's based on 23 dollars per per case So we're looking about 41,000 is being unpaid per year What is being what we put together as a proposed budget for 2005 was For the court to start up mid-year and that's the document that's being referred to the finance committee It would require an advance from the general fund that we're estimating about $50,000 of just the cash flow situation you're going through There would be a computer software for insurance equipment that have to be ordered here early in 2005 to be able to set up the facility and so you would have you know supplies and those things that would have to be in place before the court started and And there would be some cash flow lag because of once the court is in session If the judge gives the people 60 days to pay whatever it'd be some time to that so that's received but then by year in the court we're going to set up a separate municipal court fund and Then that fund should be able to pay back the advance and then contribute the net amount Between the expenses and revenues right now. We're looking at the total expenditures in that half-year 76,000 823 dollars and the net amount that would be Repaid or contributed back to the general fund of 215,000 But that also means of course that the revenue stream from the county is changing during that time Right now we have in the budget revenue estimate of 450,000 From the court finds from the county. So obviously as this increases the the flow from the county will be decreasing so it'll be Equally now basically during that time. It's hard to say exactly how that will flow but I don't know if there's any questions. I don't want to go into too much detail I know I've heard a lot presented here this evening on this Alderman Montemarie. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I promise this is the last question When this judge one the one as you said the one could campaign as a tough judge Or he could campaign as a lenient judge if he campaigned as a lenient judge We're down the sewer right well, if you wasn't how they campaign it's how they rule from the bench, I guess but Yeah, it would be an elected position two-year terms. That's what's being proposed and It'd be like any other judge that runs for election. Okay. Thank you Alderman Serta. Thank you your honor. So basically what I've heard tonight and what I've seen in the report is that The operation of the municipal court will not only operate at the same amount bringing in the same amount of revenue if not more It's going to help our departments run more Effectively things will be done in a more timely manner and also it's a win-win for the individuals Who are cited because they're the cost will be lowered. Correct. Okay. Thank you All right with that Alderman Warner. Do you have anything else? Okay with that sue would you call her old please okay, Serta graph Lokes Manny Montemayor Perez Segali Stefan Vanderwheel Warner Bowman Bird and Pony Ten eyes three nose motion carried Okay, 1655 General Lawrence by Alderman Warner Vanderwheel and Serta Relating to the recruitment of the cost involved in enforcing and processing Commitment and warrants Alderman Warner. Hi, your honor. Should I take let's see we have Through 59 1655 through 59 actually yep If no one has any objections go right ahead and that's your honor I'd move that the ordinances be put upon the passage We have motion and second before us under discussion under discussion your honor Document number 1655 is an ordinance relating to the equipment of cost involved in enforcing and processing commitments and warrants Alderman Montemayor Referred to this one earlier But this what this ordinance actually does your honor is it allows the police department to charge people who have to have a blood Test done instead of the taxpayers paying for it They will pay for that cost of that blood test right now The taxpayers are paying for the cost of that blood test does the county charge now or those do a nary do it I believe that the county Is charging No, they may or may not be okay, but they do charge warrant pick up fees and things of that nature But this ordinance will allow the city to recoup some of the cost and dealing with with these lawbreakers right now City taxpayers are paying for the blood tests and with this the cost will be borne by the offender That's all it really amounts to on that one. It also allows a charge of 25 hours for a warrant pick up fee Which is issued by either city officer or county officer when a when a city police officer has to pick up someone on a warrant We'll be able to charge a fee for that Right now we're doing it for nothing and if the criminals are in the city The county is getting these people picked up for free Just hold that thought a minute Alderman Montemayor you have a question on this Yes, I can see where where you mentioned the thing about the blood test And the warrant pick up fee, but there's also another one simply for Processing fee of twenty five dollars correct That's for the chief if you want to explain these ideas came from other departments and or from Officers within our own department as far as the of the blood tests if you have a drunk driver for OAWI instead of the intoxicants who would take a blood test We've been being charged that and we've been paying that for years as far as the warrant pick up fee That would be a twenty five dollar fee associated with picking someone up and taken to the county jail, which the county does the next fee which is a Handling fee so to speak when we bring someone in take a warrant we take in the warrant money We must then sit down our deputy chief must sit down count the money and or write on a check to the appropriate agency So a part of the deputy chief's time every day is handling Bond money things of that nature that we write off to another department So we would ask that there's a fee associated with that for to pick three coupes of our our time Just a second little question if this person say the blood test or the commitment or the warrant pick up turns out to be Not guilty they still have given up that money right and it's gone Well sure if if everyone has a right to the trial right for example on a drunk driving case We still have the blood test done. So the fee is still there that the test has been Taken or the blood has been taken for the test As far as the warrant the warrants is normally for someone who has not Gone to court or failed to appear and things of that nature It was the processing fee that I was particularly asking about yeah The processing fee is that time that my deputy chief spends taking in money and or going up to the To finance department for them to take credit cards or things of this nature and these would be By the municipal judge the municipal judge so it isn't Could we enact these and still continue with the circuit court? I'm not sure what you're asking Steve Why would you I mean if we enact our own come out not the fees These fees have to do with a municipal court and I should clarify that in item sub one the cost of prosecution the blood draws our Dean to be cost of prosecution and those are only Added on to the costs the defendants convicted in the municipal court. Yeah, but the blood draws You don't just charge somebody for taking a blood draw it would be added on us costs in the event the individual is convicted And you charge then for the blood draw, but not if they were found not guilty. Okay. Thank you Okay Thank you Again your honor on that to the blood draw fee right now is being paid by the taxpayers We're paying it anyway and we have to draw blood. It's coming out of the city budget It's coming out of property taxpayers pockets to pay for the blood draw So what we're doing is we're making a person that had a half the blood draw pay for it. That's all that's simple instead of The people that live next door to you behind you and around you And on the next document 1656 This is an ordinance related relating to the sale of unclaimed articles including bicycles in Sub 1 a the police department It says the police department may dispose of any personal property that has been abandoned or remained unclaimed for a period of 30 days After the taking of possession of the property by an officer via public Auction a sale bid by contract a trade or other property to be property Property to be acquired by the city or retention for use by the city And so be what this is doing is it's allowing us to Stop maintain all this property for a whole year. We're holding these bicycles up. We just had the bike auction last fall This is going to allow us to sell those bicycles and other property Quicker we have to hold on to it for a said period of time give people a chance to claim their property and We don't have to spend all those man hours Maintaining these items at taxpayer expense. We can sell them get a little bit income and move forward with it It's going to help the police department a great deal We've been reluctant over the years to increase the size of our force But we're still trying to do all these things and this is going to help right now We have Sergeant Tarkovsky and some of the other officers getting paid overtime to deal with some of these things It's difficult to store this you have to have space. We're running out of storage space And this is going to help on that aspect of it On 1657 this is an ordinance relating to a 30 minute parking limit So as to add the south side of Superior Avenue located at 1119 Superior Avenue This is the area by the Diamond Volo paint store across from the funeral home And what happens is? People patrons of the funeral home at many times park in front of his store and his customers can't get in He's got a little indented area there in front of the store where you can get two vehicles in Customers can come in this is just going to add that to the 30 minute limit So that they have enough time to go in and buy their paint and leave obviously He's not going to complain if they're there 31 minutes and there's customers But if they're there for an hour and they're not as customers He would like to have some room for his customers to park and it's a problem in that area on Document 1658 this is relating to turn restrictions at Grant school 1528 north fifth tree to add no left turn into or out of the school driveway This is a safety issue brought forward by the Grant school principal and a traffic and Sergeant Tarkovsky of our traffic department And in the interest of safety of the school children the public protection safety committee recommends this change at Grant school and Document 1659 is in order and it's relating to the one-hour parking limits So is that to add the north side of seaman Avenue locator to 1520 seaman Avenue? To the one-hour parking limits And this is will allow a one-hour parking limit in front of locate staffing is building only Directly in front of their building and nowhere else There's not any homes right there in that area have the dry cleaners and such on the corner churches across the street And the committee recommends approval of that also Okay, is there any Other discussion Alderman sir, thank you your honor. I just thought it was interesting and creative with that Just one more issue on 1655 with the warrant fee those are initiated and correct me if I'm wrong chief by other minute municipalities To issue those warrants using our manpower and that fee is actually isn't it charged back to the municipalities? So I thought that was a wonderful way So we're actually they're using our manpower to pick up Individuals for their warrants and here is a way to charge them back Do you know the discussion when you call the roll please vander wheel Warner hi Bowman Berg Bonnet Serta hi graph Lopes Manny Montemayor Perez Sigali and Stefan hi 13 eyes motion carried 1772 can be accepted and placed on file 1773 will go to city plan commission see whether matters 1774 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from the Stephanie H. Wilde Center for the performing arts regarding their walk of fame Project proposal to create install stone plates to replace existing concrete sidewalk panels in front of the center 1775 communication Fred file regarding issues he is having with his cable TV service through charter communication risk 1776 communication from Cindy hair questioning all the person Perez statement about not understanding the city budget fine in Moved in second to adjourn under discussion Yes, I'm sorry all of them drop 1775 you said to risk risk should that go to finance? Yes, it should. Oh, I'm sorry to finance to and 1774 where does that go? That's going to public works. Okay. Thank you All right, we have a motion to second before it's under discussion. Are you not all in favor?