 So welcome everyone to this Impact Engineer concurrent session, Meet the Rising Stars. My name is Aaron Weinerman, manager of Global Public Affairs at ASME, the American Society of Mechanical Engineers. I'm based in Washington DC, and I will be your host for this session. I'm delighted to introduce you to some incredible special guests. But before we get started, I'd like to recognize a senior volunteer at ASME and a very close colleague of mine, Kailin Geile. Kailin serves as the senior vice president of public affairs and outreach at ASME, which includes our engineering for global development enterprise. So in Kailin's day job, he serves as the senior manager of global system safety at Boeing in Washington state. So Kailin, thank you so much for joining us today and thank you especially for your support in advancing engineering for global development at ASME. The floor is yours for some opening remarks. Absolutely. Well, thank you Aaron and thank you everybody for being here. It's my pleasure to take a minute here to welcome you and thank you for joining this session as well as attending Impact Engineer overall. I'm just as anxious as all of you are, I'm sure, to hear from our rising star nominees. So I'll try to keep my remarks brief here. As Aaron mentioned, I lead the ASME public affairs and outreach sector, or PANO as we call it, where ASME's core constituencies, industry, government, and academia come together to expand global awareness, knowledge, and application of engineering and technology through education, outreach, and advocacy. ASME's engineering for global development, as Aaron mentioned, is one of the externally facing mission focused programs that falls within PANO. ASME, as many of you know, is also a founder and a major supporter of engineering for change. And it's been really inspiring to see the work that EGD and E4C have done to advance ASME's mission to advance engineering for the benefit of humanity. As you are all well aware, and as many of the speakers this morning have reinforced, we're facing a lot of really complex challenges at the moment. COVID-19 in particular has exposed humankind's collective vulnerability and has highlighted the increasing criticality of science and technology-based solutions. The pandemic's negative effect on our progress towards the SGGs, as was discussed this morning. And it demonstrates the disproportionate impact that this pandemic is having on those around the world who lack reliable access to food, water, internet, education, and other basic needs. ASME's been around for 140 years, and in that history we witnessed a number of really pressing global challenges. And that history has taught us that meeting those challenges locally and systemically demands innovative and collaborative solutions. Hence the theme of this year's impact engineered for partnerships advancing the decade of action. This is a continuation and extension of ASME's engineering for global developments and engineering for changes effort to cultivate a social entrepreneurship ecosystem and to advance innovation broadly for the benefit of humankind. Impact engineered along with the engineering for change fellows program, the innovation showcase, or ISO, and innovate for impact, our new sustainable design challenge in partnership with Siemens, are really manifestations of this commitment to catalyze collaborations that incubate creative solutions in service of a better, safer, and more egalitarian world. I continue to be inspired by this event's impact and potential by all the amazing work that all of you are doing and by the commitment and dedication and passion that I see among all of you and I that I know we'll see in the sessions presenters today. And I don't want to delay that any longer so thank you all for being here back to you Aaron. Caitlin, thanks so much. Before we meet our rising stars, I should note what the rising star award is all about. This award is a recognition of great honor that features one emerging leader or organization, leveraging technology to achieve social impact. Each nominee has been nominated by a prestigious sponsor. I would also remind our attendance, our audience that they can use the q&a chat function to engage with our audience and I will ask your questions, and we can engage with our speakers. So let's meet our rising stars. Number one, we have Steven long, who is representing household farming system. Steven, I'll ask you where you're located right now, what attracted you to engineering, and just give us a really quick overview of your technology. And Steven, if you can hear me, you're on mute. There we go. Thank you very much. As was mentioned, my name is Steven long. I'm from Diana. That's in South America. We asked the part of the Caribbean, right in Diana. The city of Georgetown is located on the course on the course third plane. We're at and also we're six feet below sea level. So there are a lot of things that affect agriculture there. Right. So, as an engineering engineer in mind, as our engineer do we look for solutions. We look for ways to make life better for others. We build, we take, we construct. So, in light of the challenge that that farmers face and the challenges that affects food supply, I thought about the idea of building this device that will make agriculture not just wasteful because what happens also in the in Georgetown that is located close to the sea, and we are six feet below sea level is that there's a lot of flooding and it's highly populated. So there's not sufficient sufficient space for persons to plant and we have to travel on distances or food has gone from the rural areas. And that takes up a lot of time. So, with this device, the household farming system, finding simple ways to make to bring agriculture to the urban areas. We build we create and manufacture this system. We are fine. We not just only put plants in the pots, but we find ways in which to ensure that it is sustainable. We know that it needs a certain amount of sunlight water. So we ensure that it's also space efficient. That means persons don't have to go and have a large portion of land still farm. So it's vertical use of the vertical right now this system is curry some very attractive features. One of them is that it has a history best repellent lights. Or, you know these lights that repel pass right forgive me right I'm not a public speaker. No that's that's perfect. Thank you Stephen I'm going to I'm going to move on to our other panelists and we'll have more of an opportunity to go into each of your technologies as well. So with that I'm going to move to Zahin Razeen, who's representing Hydroquo plus Zahin the floor is yours to tell us where you're based right now, what attracted you to engineering and a very quick overview of your technology. So Zahin did we lose your audio. We did so I'm going to go now to a sagoon six Anna, who is representing cocoa networks. So again you know the questions and the floor is yours. Sure, thanks Aaron. Yeah so I'm normally based in Nairobi in Kenya, although I'm traveling at the moment. And really what attracted me to engineering was the ability to really understand how things work, and to try to find ways to find good solutions better solutions to the problems that exist and then seeing those solutions get out into the world. Right and have people use them that's that's really what exciting was a power to impact people through through through good engineering. Basically, you know despite decades of development effort. Most households in urban Africa still use dirty cooking fuels. Right, and this is this is the problem that for almost a decade now has has been a focus for me and my colleagues and so what we've done is basically designed an affordable, convenient safe new cooking solution that's based around the idea of clean fuel ATMs right so we create networks of these fuel ATMs, and these are relatively quick and inexpensive to deploy at scale. Okay, and the solution that we developed is one that has met consumer needs in a really unprecedented way we've seen rapid growth over the last year, since we launched. And it does this in a way that also addresses two really important issues. One is indoor air pollution. And the second is climate change. And so that's really the power of the solution. And that's really the progress that we've been making over the last few years with this technology. Excellent thank you very much. I see that Zahin is back Zahin do you have audio and video. Can you hear me. Yes, the floor is yours to tell us where you're based, what attracted you to engineering originally and a very quick overview of your technology. So hey everyone. So I was very much trained as a mathematician in pure mathematics but then I realized the only way I'd be able to offer value to the people around me is by leveraging technology as an engine for social good so I guess engineering was the fastest way to do it. So at the Hydro Co we basically what we do is leverage AI to hydrometric information systems that act as a prescriptive tool for water utility sectors in relation to water quality demand, leakage identification, the forecasting of demands and in prediction events so this is what we do as a whole. So yeah, that's us. Excellent. Jasmine I'll now turn to you Jasmine Sheen is representing reconnect. Can you tell us a little bit about your technology, what attracted you to engineering and where you're located. My name is Jasmine Sheen I am currently located in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and originally I grew up in China and I came to the US for college and I've always been at the intersection of science engineering design and business management and urban planning and I've seen and worked all over the world and have learned that communities really have already embodied the innovation and strength and resourcefulness to solve a lot of the challenges that we are facing and we are as we can be facilitators and enablers of these communities to help them bring changes to to their own communities and so in 2017. I think I really changed the face of Puerto Rico and that's where we started and realized that there is a major operation information and coordination gap between local communities and humanitarian aid agencies. So right now we're building reconnect that's leveraging human networks data and machine intelligence to close the last mile disaster relief gaps and build long term resilience for underserved communities. My name is Jasmine. I'll now turn last but not least Isaac sassy who's representing sassy technologies so Isaac, let us know where you are, what attracted you to engineering and just a very quick overview of your technology. My name is Aaron. My name is Isaac and I am from, I'm speaking from Kumasi Ghana, West Africa, which is really exciting. So what attracted me to engineering was the fact that I realized that being able to develop solutions that people use that solve problems that they had was a very powerful thing. It could be a tool for good and a tool to solve lots of societal problems and that was the reason why I went into engineering because it was at the intersection of my passion and my skills and my interest and it could be a force that I could use to change the world. And that is what I am doing now with my startup sassy technologies, where we are looking to empower farmers with affordable technologies. We realize that when you look at post office losses over 30% of the food we produce. And we realize that most of the food produce is produced by smallholder farmers who do not have the technologies needed to reduce their losses and improve their yields. So what we have done is we have developed a suite of technologies from a local grain moist and bundled it together with other technologies that solve post service losses and presented it to farmers in a way that they can afford, which is really exciting for the African context. Thank you. Thanks Isaac and thanks to all of our panelists for providing such interesting context about your technologies and where you can go with them. So we're going to head into Q&A portion here so for our audience watching please engage with our chat function at the bottom of your screen. And as we kick off here I think I'll ask everyone to comment on social entrepreneurship specifically. So we talked about you know what brought you to engineering but in the realm of social entrepreneurship what are some opportunities or challenges you're seeing in this field. We're actually getting a lot more attention these days than compared with what Kailin was talking about. You know we're seeing some very stark and existential challenges as a society, a global society. So in the context of what brought you to social entrepreneurship. I would hope that we can have a nice conversation that might let in our audience a little bit about what brought you to that space. So let's start with Segun if that's okay. For your story I know you're based in Singapore right that's also a very highly tech, almost Silicon Valley atmosphere so the floor is yours. So for me, you know what's interesting when you look at tech when you look at Silicon Valley tech is the idea that, you know, innovations can scale rapidly, right so why can't we do that in the social impact space or the environmental space. That's that's kind of what got me thinking about, if I want to do something impactful let me try to find a business model that can really scale. So the idea is by scaling, we can reach people we can bring more capital in. And if the model that we're creating for whatever revenge you're working on is is actually profitable that will just accelerate the flow of capital into the venture which will accelerate the scale and the impact right so so the idea of achieving impact with the idea of running a business like a business made a lot of sense and so really for for us and Cocoa Networks. What we do is with a commercial context. We are a technology company seeking to deliver an attractive return on investment to our shareholders, while significantly improving the lives of the people who are serving in terms of giving them a much faster cheaper cleaner way to cook, and in a way of doing that that doesn't just a damaged the environment right those two things go hand in hand. You know we make more money for every liter of fuel that sold right and we help the planet for every liter of fuel we're sold and so there's absolutely no reason to compromise on those two things. And that's what social entrepreneurship means to me. So Zahin, I guess in the same context you know focusing on your technology, water security for future generations reading your slogan here. Clean water is of course a main tenant of engineering a safer and cleaner world for people so in that sense, what do you want to see for social entrepreneurship going forward and and for hydro quo plus specifically and to build on what Segrin said is basically where I want to be able to offer scalable solutions in water management and the water related. I would say the fields, and I guess the best way to do it is kind of engaging with sectors in a way where you'd be able to offer let's say the services that essentially the governments are like, in general, due to the bureaucracy are unable to offer due to the lack that exists in emerging economies, so that we'd be able to do it. And I guess like again social entrepreneurship is the best way to do it and I guess water being one of the bedrock of civilizations. You know, there's there was a saying I guess the next world war will be fought over water and that's why there's so many countries that are trying to build aquifers so that when the water stress kind of goes out of control they're able to kind of extract water from there so I guess like if you're able to leverage again emerging technologies are all the skill technologies that are available. So that's the way to provide security for water and also kind of eradicate scarcity in the process I think it would be a great thing and I think everyone will come in a unified way. And I think everyone will be impacted because again at the end of the day I guess if I'm on mistake and once every month I guess four billion people are affected from water scarcity. So yeah so like that's the idea. Absolutely. Thank you so much for that. Jasmine I'll now turn to you. You talked about, you know, in the context of natural disasters and certainly we've all been attuned to the coven 19 pandemic which is not in the same category but in that time natural disasters have been popping up with more rapidity as well so talk to us a little bit about in that context of where reconnect started and where you'd like to see it go and as a social entrepreneurship firm. Right, absolutely. So I went to Puerto Rico before and after Hurricane Maria and at least 4000 people die because of the storm and it's aftermath 90% of the homes were had suffered damages and many people endure months without water and electricity and over 100,000 people left the island of 3 million. And during my two years at MIT and I was really able to spend time on the island to I was volunteering rebuilding homes I was with community leaders cooking hot meals for the elderly and I was with humanitarian aid agencies, distributing the different donation goods and services to affect a community. And what really struck me was that, again communities really already have their, they're so resourceful they're so optimistic and they're dedicated to, to their communities when around the world that because of the growing severity and frequency of disasters that there is no entity or government will be able to meet all the needs. So there's this major push that we need to build real is resilience at the individual and community level. And also the humanitarian space it's a very tricky and difficult space to be in for innovation because there is a deep and broad set of principles and directives that people have to follow because it is people's lives that are on the line. We can't just break things and an experiment. And also there is limited amount of resources. But we can either spend money on innovation or building new things or we can also have the money going to buying supplying food and water and the basic essentials that people already need. So we have to be very, very careful how we do that and the way that we're doing it is that we're doing it very, very closely with our community partners with our users to elevate their voices and their expertise in, in the area because a lot of the times we put a lot more focus on infrastructure, rather than the more disadvantaged social inequalities that we're facing. So that's where we are seeing this is not just engineering and data problem but it's very much a people problem and we say that there is no natural disaster ever. It's, it's a choice, it's the choices that we make as a society. It's an interesting way of framing it. I mean, certainly, there are a lot of decisions to be made and reactions that we can take as a society in the face of disasters, and but also your point about infrastructure is an important one. Turning now to Isaac, Isaac, you know, in the context of your technology, what are some of the challenges that you faced in social entrepreneurship but also why in the first place are you involved in this, because you could have gone and probably many other different directions so talk to us a little bit about where you'd like to see SESI technologies go. Aaron, let me start with your second question first, the why? So I personally, I grew up in, in the midst of farmers, my, my dad is a farmer, my mom is a farmer. And so agriculture was something that I grew up with. And it was something that hits home close to home because now I grew up in agriculture, which is supposed to provide abundance of food, yet I went to bed. There are so many times I went to bed without eating dinner. So then growing up through all of these hardships and being fortunate to be able to go through junior high school, senior high school, university on scholarships and on the good role of other people and building skills and engineering. I thought that I believe that if there was one place I could give back, then that was in, that was in agriculture where I came from. And being able to, you know, do my parts to ensure that the kid coming after me doesn't have to go to bed on an empty stomach was something that resonated really, really well with me. And so this is my passion. It's a combination of my passion, my skill, and in the context of social entrepreneurship, it's something that can bring profit. Because when you're solving problems for people and you're creating value for people, value that people appreciate and are willing to pay for, then that is also profit. So then there's a combination of skill, passion, and then profit in social entrepreneurship. And in Africa, one of the biggest challenges is that, you know, social entrepreneurship is seen with the mindset of nonprofits, right. So everybody feels like, okay, well, when you say you're a social entrepreneur, give me everything for free. And it's one of the things we've had to deal with are the biggest challenges we've had to face. Because when you look at agriculture in Africa, especially given the fact that it's dominated by small order farmers, the notion or the mentality that the farmers have is that give me this for free. And so then you have the extra responsibility of creating that mindset shift where people are now able to realize that, hey, this is a product or this is a solution that is providing me value. Once I'm getting value out of this, then I should be willing to pay for it. And so what is one of the biggest challenges we've had to overcome the mindset shift. The second challenge we've had to overcome is the fact that now you face with a lot of constraints when you're working with small order farmers, because they are very limited education infrastructure is limited. And so you really have to think around how you can design around all of those limitations and in terms of their ability to pay. So these, these all bring about challenges, but I am excited that we're crossing that barrier and we hope that very soon, every farmer in Africa will have something that is made from technology or powered by technology. I like the ambition thanks Isaac and thank you for letting us in on your story as well. Stephen, I'll ask you the same question. Your video has been having a little bit of trouble it might make more sense to do the audio if it cuts out but we'll see how it goes, but what attracted you to social entrepreneurship specifically and and what are some of the impacts you're looking to make with household farming system. Floor is yours. First of all, I believe in ensuring that people's lives are better. Now, in this generation, not, I'm not waiting to do it for the next generation. I want to make an impact now. If people are wrong me, I must be able to do something to ensure that equality of lives, the standard of lives are better now in my lifetime. Right. I want them to have the best health, the best food, best lifetime to just put everything in a cup. Right. We know in economics, we know the different eras. They had the time when they was farming. It was solely farming then it went to industrial manufacturing. Then it went into services and then what start to happen is that from services start it we entered into the information age. And then we know entering to the health care, the health care age, which health care is a big, big topic. People want to know how to live long. Right. But while going through all these different phases, something happened with our food supply. Right. It has deteriorated the quality. And, and, and even though let's say the food of some in some cases where food supply had increased the quality. So you may take in some some stuff, eat some food, some produce. But then in the next couple of years, you have to buy medicine to offset the effects. Right. And that's why health care is having such a bang now. Baby boomers have retired. Right. Though all those forces come coming from the baby boom age, they retired and they put in a strain on health care system. And we forget to talk about healthy lifestyle, what we put in, right with our food, right, will determine how much train we put on a health care system eventually right. So I want to make a difference in my generation now to ensure that portions eat healthy. Right. It is a challenge because it's global warming, there's flooding, there are many changes in the, in the environment. So, to give Jack his jacket food is not growing at a fast rate. There are some challenges. There's a lot of pests. Right. And in our and then because of the motive of profit, persons who want to cut corners and put a lot of chemicals so that it could make money to live. Right. Or to support their families. Right. So, with this engineering, this divisive type engineer, right and working towards is to ensure that we go back to the basics. Right. To help persons farm, and it's not worrisome. They don't have to think about coming home from a hard day work eight to four or two shifts, or two jobs, and then they have to run to the supermarket. The thing is right there in their house, right there on either windows in their balconies in the verandahs. Right. As you can see here, they could get a cabbage. Right. And you're looking at disposable income. Right. Once this is sustained, it adds to the disposable income of the household. Right. So it has held factors. Right. It saves on time. Right. It adds to the health of the family, the household. We have things like celery here. We know important celery is with things like coals and so. So, in forming parts of the scientific qualities of this, the science. Sorry there. In forming portions of the scientific. Yeah, sorry there. I'll end that. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Steven. I think that's a good segue into, I mean, we were talking a lot about the societal impact here. Each of you just touched on. No problem. I'm just going to. Did you hear that? There we go. So, going back to the impact here, I know that Kailin Geile has a question on social impact and Kailin, the floor is yours to ask for our panelists. Yeah, thanks, Aaron. So I was actually just going to ask exactly what Aaron just said, you know, obviously a big component to all of your businesses is not just financial performance but the actual impact you're having on quality of life around the world. How do you go about trying to measure your social impact? So let's start with Segun on that one. Yeah, sure. So so measuring social impact is is a huge is a huge thing. It's important for us. It's important for our investors and other stakeholders. The way about the way we go about doing that is relatively simple in our case because we're really looking to achieve a transition from the use of a dirty fuel to use of a clean fuel. And because of the way our technology works, we essentially have a metering system for each individual customer. So I can, I can look up in our databases and see exactly how much fuel each individual consumer has purchased when they purchased it, etc. So with that, plus some sampling regarding the baseline, we're able to really accurately identify what kind of a transition we've achieved. And of course, once we know that transition, we can assess the carbon, the carbon emissions reductions, we can, we can estimate the deforestation that was avoided all those other measures. And so that's how the model sort of fills itself in, but the ability to measure at an individual level is what gives us a huge advantage in being able to report very, very accurate numbers. Excellent. Thank you. And as a hen, I'll ask the same question. Obviously, your technology has to do with with measurement in a different way but can you also touch on how partnerships are important here, because obviously, none of these technologies can happen in a vacuum and so each of you has partnerships that inform your your progress and how you measure it so the floor is yours. Right. Thank you again, Aaron. So I basically, I knew the best way to commercialize the technology and I think made this viable product for Bangladesh, a country that hasn't even been able to I guess like optimize on their e-commerce industries by kind of working with the government of hands-on. So when I went to the government and I said, hey, you have a lot of water quality issues and, you know, the one of the leading causes of water quality issues is due to the decaying pipelines and aging infrastructure. So irrespective of you building new pipelines, the water is always going to get contaminated. So why don't I just, you know, deploy a hydrometric device that will act as a decision support system for you to act on, I think, make a different decision based on region specific areas. And so they kind of agreed to it and I got lucky and then, you know, I went on about deploying a device as an area that was able to offer, I guess, the data on based on 100,000 house connections. So at a time we were able to kind of map out where the sources of turbidity spikes were coming from or the hotspot areas where, let's say, the E. coli content was coming from the total peak of color from the essential water quality index parameters according to the World Health Organization. So by that we were able to, by definition, working with the on field engineers and with our technology, we were able to get ahead of things and also reduce the optics and also kind of increase non revenue water profits of the water utility sector. And then to give you also like a shorter example is we're using radio metric imaging using computational hydraulics. So the satellite data, we kind of ingest that with the ground data as well as the satellite data and then we're able to kind of map out where again the sources of anomaly they're coming from. So let's say, for instance, someone might say that this is where on my while my house connection is possibly going from a water leakage and I'm not getting water supply. So essentially the area would have been according to assumptions would be in a different location. And we're able to like specifically point out where the sources of leakage is coming from. So by that, we are kind of also reducing the efficiency. I think the impact is again built on the utility sectors and as the value that we provide through that the distribution system. So yeah, excellent. Thank you very informative. Jasmine I'll turn to you I know you work with a lot of partners and have they been instrumental or what's been the process in helping you get that measurement of your impact. Is that something you can do in house or is that something you lean more on for with with your partnerships. Yeah, absolutely. Measuring impact in the disaster space is very complicated. And so we essentially work to bring positive change to enhance disaster resilience meaning the capacity to withstand and recover from shocks. So both at individual community and disaster management levels. And so our goal is to reduce adverse effect from disaster and improve services for individuals and grow capacity with effective organizing and access to resources at the community level, and to improve efficacy with better informed decisions and enhance collaboration at the agency and management system level. And because of the complexity we cannot only be tracking our impact when a disaster happened so in the in the disaster humanitarian aid world we look at both the blue sky time meaning the recovery and preparation mitigation time, and also the gray sky time meaning the response time, and which we all have to be in compliance with humanitarian aid principles and standards. We are partners because a huge component of what we do is to help them measure their impact. So a lot of this, it is indeed in collaboration to look at what kind of metrics make sense for them and how do we leverage and also look at our internal system. So to give some examples of the blue sky measures that we would look at is. So what huge component is that we are mobilizing community members to be part of community level disaster relief work. So we do measure engagement level, and how much information is crowdsourced and the level of increasing social capital and connectedness as that as a proxy to increasing resilience during blue sky time. And during gray sky time say when a disaster do happen, we use a combination of software technology, analytics and, and also dedicated surveys and also partner data sources to track. If any of the task is completed if there's a response reduction in the response time and if there's reduction in physical and mental health threats. And a lot of this, we are very carefully designing as part of our engagement and governance structure. Our code development process and piloting and simulation and because, again, as I said before humanitarian aid work is very sensitive and we definitely want to do it right and not to risk lives. Thank you. Isaac for SESI Technologies. How do you measure your impact and why is that measurement important in your sector, you know how does that inform a more technical and we've been talking about the commercial imperative and a lot of this so can you talk to us a little bit about what you do to measure and why. Alright, thank you everyone. So when you're when we're looking about at impact we're looking at it from multiple angles we're looking at it from what impacts are we making in the lives of the farmers that we're working with what is important to them and when you look at the farmers, the number one thing that is important to them is more money in their pockets. Now more money in their pockets means that they can pay school fees, they can pay hospital bills and their general standard of living is improved. So, for any group of small order farmers we are working with, we're taking baseline data, we are bringing in our interventions, and then after the season is over, we're looking at what has been improvement in the metrics that are important to them and to us. So to them, what how much extra income did they make, and with extra income translating to a better quality of life for them. Now for us we're looking at how much, how much of grains were we able to save, how much of food waste were we able to reduce, because when you look at it at a higher level from a food security perspective, you realize that 821 million people are going hungry every day and we're losing a third of the food we're producing, which is more than enough to feed all of these 821 million people four times over. So being able to reduce these losses, we're able to quantify how much losses we're able to reduce and that lets us know, even from a high level, how many less people are going to bed hungry. Now, when you look at it from even the perspective of climate, we know that if food waste was a country, it would be the third largest emitter of greenhouse gases. So we're counting how many kilograms of waste we're reducing and estimating what's the benefit even to climate change. So we're tracking a variety of metrics and looking at what is important for the smallholder farmer, what's important for the economy, the local economy, and what is important for, say, global food security. And we are looking at how our work is contributing to improvement in all of these metrics. Thanks, Isaac. You just mentioned security and I think a nice counterpoint to that is sustainability, which is a major component of impact engineered engineering for change, and all of your technology. And so we only have a few minutes left, but I'd just like to ask each of you in a word or two, what you're doing specifically to make sure that your technology is sustainable. And so that when you're going into different areas that they're able to then harness this technology and be able to use it themselves instead of, you know, having to go back all the time to get that expertise. So I'll start with Sagan. Can you have a word or two about how your focus on sustainability? Yeah, sure. So I think the key thing there is to really work through local partners. So for example, you know, for the cooking solution that we provide, it's really supplied to our customer base through local shopkeepers. Right. So again, I mentioned in Kenya, we have 600 shopkeepers in Nairobi, who are all our partners who sell the stoves that we sell, they sell the fuel through these ATM machines. And we're really equipping them to be the point of service and support to customers so that once our solutions are introduced to the market, they can ensure that it continues to deliver for, you know, for the customers. That's a really important part of it because this is an essential solution for people, a stove that they use every day to safely cook their food. Even a day or two without it is causing real harm. And so it's important that we have good service and support. Thank you. Zahin, I'm sure in your realm in terms of water security, this is a major influence. So just a couple words how sustainability applies for hydroco plus. Ultimately, the, I think the total value lies in the aggregate data that we store, rather than the hardware that's being used to store the data so I mean like to kind of extract the data so I guess sustainability comes from being able to see the past and then being able to act on the past for future decisions. Using the existing data that you have, I guess, I guess, and then that would act as a way of more of sustainability of some sort to answer your question. Thank you. Isaac, you talked about farmers wanting more money in their pockets and, you know, because sustainability is a way that makes that process one that can last. How are you thinking about it in the context of SESI technologies. So in sustainability, we're looking at how do we ensure that we're building a system that doesn't necessarily mean that we have to be everywhere. And just to build on what Sargun said, we're also working with local partners in different countries to to make sure that the solutions are made available to them. We're working with other bigger partners like the World Food Program, other multinational companies that play a very key role in the lives of these smallholder farmers and basically are working with partners to ensure that they have access to these solutions in a way that is sustainable to them. Thank you. And Jasmine, I think in the natural disaster context, you know, a major criticism is usually groups go in and they have a response and then there's a lack of follow up or the responses is not sustainable. So, can you talk a little bit about your your role in this context. Absolutely. The core inspiration for what we're doing is what we see what's happening in communities and exactly because governments and external partners go in and not without understanding what's going on on the ground and that's really causing the issue so we're really flipping that whole dynamic and trying to help the communities voices trying to make their stories and and what they see and what they experience count. And so and we do so everyone on the team is very well versed in practice and human and humanity centered design and we care about social justice everyone as a team and we work very very very closely from the very start of the first conversation with our community here in the agency, everything that they are part of both the design and the governance of our solution and we see the, the, and we understand from everywhere around the world that the social connectedness, and the, the self sustaining process of, of community engagement is really both the core of disaster resilience and the core of our work. Thank you, Steven. Same question about sustainability. How is that informing how you would like to change the agricultural realm. That's to me right. My good for us just now, Steve, please, if you can hear us about sustainability. First of all, pricing is important. We want to ensure that the price is one that the average person can afford. So they can sustain it. Secondly, we are going to be set up a very strong service arm so that person who needs to replenish plants and do repairs and so on regular checkups ensure that persons are, they are motivated to sustain their systems. We also work along with NGOs and the government and other organizations to give support to communities politically. And, and, and that is how we plan to ensure that this project is sustainable. Excellent. Thank you so much. So we're wrapping up here and I would like to know that everyone can check out more about our panelists and their technologies, their videos were made available earlier and now is time to vote. You can, you can go into the link which has been put into the chat by ASME staff and be sure to vote for your favorite choice. The winner will be announced tomorrow at 1pm Eastern Standard Time, and this will be during the Impact engineered award ceremony. You can also visit the Rising Stars virtual booth, which is in our exhibit hall, and you can learn more and connect with Steven, Zahin, Sagan, Jasmine and Isaac. And I would really like to express my gratitude and ASME's gratitude. And I guess with one minute left, I would ask Sagan, I see you, are you, what drew you to ASME, how did you hear about us because this is something we'd certainly like to keep going and expand. No, so we've been aware of different programs that have been going on, particularly in Kenya. And so, so for us, it's a network of, you know, just connecting with experts and identifying talent that we can work with and so definitely really appreciative of the efforts that ASME is doing. Thank you. I don't think I would be effective ASME employee if I didn't put in an ASME plug, but I do want to say that we look forward to working with all of you in the future. We've all talked about these partnerships being an important means of continuing these goals so we'd love to be in touch and thank you for joining us. Thank you to our audience members and enjoy the rest of your impact engineered experience. Thanks, everyone.