 What's going on guys? I'm here with Allie. She grew up in a religious cult She was indoctrinated into the vegan cult vegetarian for three years vegan for one and a half years and She had a recent interaction with this verige that she is looking forward to sharing with you guys So I'm gonna let her take it away Thank you. Thanks Frank. I'm really excited to be on this channel. Thank you for having me I'm really pumped about this, but yeah, basically I Grew up in a religious cult And I got out when I was about 20 years old and after that I was put on a bunch of medication I struggled with some health issues early on in my life, but I think that that was partly due to trauma I had also been put on a bunch of antibiotics when I was little so my gut had always kind of been a mess But trauma will also make you really really sick But obviously I really know I've spent 10 plus years healing from that cult experience So I really know the ins and outs of it and I've been attracted to cult-like mentality ever since so that's kind of like a life Thing of mine is to work through that stuff. So I was put on medication right after that Adderall, Benzos and Antidepressants and that completely wrecked my body obviously and didn't help anything So after I got off that I ended up going to rehab because of all that and After rehab I had healed a lot emotionally, but my body was still physically a mess and I had put on some weight And so I really just wanted to lose weight is is is the main thing and then I found um I think the first person I found was freely of course classic and I found freely and I was like, oh my god I want that body so I Followed some of her juice cleansing stuff and fully raw Christina like the first video I saw hers was the whole like changing her eye color thing So I found them and then I did a potato cleanse found high-carb Hannah That was a super weird experience I'm sorry. Yeah, this is like you being vegetarian just experimenting with stuff. No, so Um Yeah, so after rehab basically I went vegan overnight. I was vegan first so Yeah, so I remember the night I found those videos. It was literally overnight So I found freely and then I kind of start experimenting, but I saw Cowspiracy as well Was the first night that I found all this stuff and just like a lot of people you start binging and you think that you found The solution to the world and you get into start getting colt and doctrine indoctrinated, you know But I don't think that's a real term, but you start to be come indoctrinated into the mindset So I thought that I had found the answer And that is also a very colt like thing Um, and so I went vegan first and so I started doing juice cleanses Potato cleanses making crazy huge smoothies. I was eating, you know pounds of nice cream per day that kind of thing Classic and I did that for about six months. That was what I did at first. I got a super nasty ear infection After I first went vegan and I just could not heal from it. It was crazy I ended up kind of having to have surgery like my body just could not heal and I went on a ton of antibiotics So I think that that also did more damage to my gut that was already there And I really believed that if I just detox enough You know, of course Yes, no, seriously, that's what it is and and that's part of the cold like mentality too It's like you throw up your liver and you should out your colon. Yeah, literally, you know I wanted to get that mucoid plaque baby like that was the whole that was the whole goal is like poop out all that stuff So yeah, and then of course I found dr. Morse You know, I just really got in it and like and then I did that for about six months and then I got into a relationship and You know, that was not healthy at all. Narcissists there codependent here Those two things are super attracted to each other and his diet was super super bad And I was really unhappy and so like I just couldn't keep it up anymore. I couldn't keep up just 12 mangos a day I couldn't So that's when I technically went vegetarian, but I was really vegan that whole year and a half I don't want to I know people are gonna bash me and say like, oh, you didn't do it, right? Or like, you know, you weren't really in it if you ate cheese for a while Like freely would you know slaughter me, but I really don't care. It's all about the mindset the whole time the mindset I was super vegan, you know, like any time I consume cheese the amount of guilt that I felt was Unreal and I think that that court is all probably did more stress to my body than the cheese could have ever done But so then for a year and a half I would be it was like I was always gearing up I was always detoxing always gearing up And then I would have these nights where I just couldn't take it anymore the starvation and I would binge on cheese and grains I really tried to stay away from grains a lot because grains make me feel really sick So I would be raw for as long as I could possibly take it and then I'd go get like egg rolls and You know make quesadillas and stuff and eat all the vegan junk food that I could get my hands on That raw foods were like healthier inherently or something. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, you know cooked cooked kills like that's you know the whole durian rider I got really into life regenerator, you know, and he really now when I watch his videos I'm like like he's pretty Anyways, um, yeah, I and dr. Morse like dr. Morse was probably the one I resonated with the most And you just sum up dr. Morse for anyone who's just unfamiliar. Yeah, so dr. Robert Morse I do not believe he's a real doctor first of all. Let me put that out there I didn't find that out because I didn't do any real research Bottom line, you know, and when somebody calls themselves a doctor and claims that they've healed hundreds of thousands of people I don't think he's claimed that but thousands Frankie boys here dr. Frank Tufano. Um, yeah, you should start calling yourself that Yeah, yeah, so dr. Morse is this guy down in florida. Um, he has a clinic in Yeah Doctors of the gin and tonics. Um, so he has a clinic down in florida and basically he, um Yeah, I mean they it's fruit Mary berries melons. So he will cure anything with fruits berries melons and Supposedly has cured all the stuff. He's also the one that convinced me that fruit sugar is not sugar He has a a whole debate that I would send people I sent people with cancer this debate. No joke three or four who all died I don't know if they followed it or not. No, I'm dead serious and I gave people with cancer dr. Michael Gregor's book Okay, that makes me sad. But um, yeah, so he heals with fruits berries melons. His whole thing is the lymphatic system lymphatic draining. Um, and apparently he, you know, and also, um Kidney filtration. So those are his big things and you know with a detoxing with him It goes on for years and years and years. He's super into iridology You know, um, and Yeah, and like I was convinced that I had mucus in my brain and vaccines lodged in my brain And um, and that if I just kept eating fruits berries and melons that eventually You know that I would eventually Reach, uh salvation, you know vegan salvation. I even I even did urine therapy for a little bit a lot of dr. Morse is I know I know And I usually I mean I usually pay girls, but I mean Yeah, well if you didn't know it has stem cells in it and it'll regrow all your skin. So That's what they told me. Um, like that guy Sean Walsh, you know, basically I had a job where I could um I could watch youtube videos all day. And so that's what I did and I would like get out of my headphones I'm like you guys you got to hear about this urine therapy. It's gonna save all of our lives. Um, So, yeah, I was deep in it and I just kept detoxing and kept, um You know, I just always there was always like a pinnacle to meet which is also a mindset of cult mentality. It's like The more you suffer Uh, the more holy you are right and and and there's people who've supposedly met that And they probably really have it and they probably eat regular stuff in the meantime Which has been said about dr. Morse before Um, and so it just became this like super guilt cycle where like I couldn't keep up Um, I started I'll just go into my symptoms that I had. Um, I did have like anemia. Um, I had um Sorry, this one note just says 12 mongoes a day. I don't say mangoes I say mongoes because I just like that but um, that's pretty much what I was eating is like a bunch of mangoes And um, I was super super dizzy. I started getting really bad heart palpitations Um, I was like driving for a lift at the time to make extra money And I remember like I would literally have these like Moments when I was on high fruit where I would feel it's like boom in my heart and my whole like my whole nervous system would feel like it was crinkling up or something And then I would black out for maybe 10 seconds and I had a passenger in my car It's crazy right and my mom I remember calling my mom after one of them and she's like ally You have to eat and I was like, what are you talking about? I need to detox more These are detox symptoms and if I can just Get through it Like I could have killed someone in my car, you know, it was bad I would be at work and and have the same thing happen and people would be and people would ask You know, are you okay? And and I mean everyone around me Same thing as a cult everyone around me knew like that I was suffering. I didn't look well. I mean And and they were all very scared, but I think they were also interested like Holy crap. This girl, you know, we'll see what happens. I was kind of the guinea pig. So Um, I could only digest fruit by the end. Um, I was sick all the time. I got everything that came through I had cold sores all the time Insomnia, I couldn't sleep. I started. Um, I was using marijuana a lot at the time. Sorry my cat's eating something weird That's what I was looking there. I started. I was using a ton of marijuana at the time because I that was the only way I could sleep Um And so I would just knock myself out with edibles. I was peeing like 15 or six No, like that's a huge exaggeration five or six times a night and we'll send 15 or 16 I don't know five or six times a night. Um What else headaches extreme bloat the biggest thing is that I gained so much weight Like I already was a little bit overweight But I'd say in that year and a half I gained or in that three years I gained about 30 or 35 pounds And the bloat like I just had this belly like I was just this huge beer drinker Um, and it was so uncomfortable and my stomach hurt all the time Um, and I developed leaky gut Really really bad candida so um vegan for six months then for a year and a half I was Essentially vegan but about once a month or every two months. I would binge Then after that I so after that a year and a half is when that relationship ended That's just helps me with the timeline and after that I was like, all right I'm gonna lose some weight and I'm gonna really do it this time. I'm gonna really detox I'm gonna I'm gonna get in there. I wanted to do a water fast You know, I wanted to go to a clinic. I wanted to go to dr. Morse's school He has a school where he teaches people how to do His whole program which mind you Uh, when he tells the story about how he figured out about kidney filtration it's basically that he was sitting in a van for Uh, he was living in a van in the woods because he was so poor and he was only eating oranges Because that's all I could afford and he peed into this jar and there was sediment And so that's how he figured out about kidney filtration Okay, like You know, um, and but the whole thing is is like The only reason someone ever becomes a part of a cult is because Is because they came from something worse, right? And so many people are so scared of the medical industry now And western medicine and that kind of stuff and I get it like that was me Like I have been put on all that prescription medication. They had never been able to figure out what was wrong with my health um Misdiagnosed me in a million ways and and so it makes sense. You want to believe it You want this folk medicine to be real? You know and and so the only reason you join something like that is because you're coming from something else So it totally makes sense. Um But this time i'm actually doing my research because I learned um So Yeah, so then uh, I got really deep into that and then how I got back to me Um, and I just want to say to any girls out there who are struggling with the weight stuff and you think that That veganism a will save your life and b will make you skinny like some people do get really skinny on it, but Now i'm much skinnier, right? And you you idolize these people like freely and high carpanan stuff and And not only may it not make you skinnier But my mental health deteriorated so much like I was starting to become quite delusional Especially towards the end on high fruit and and the biggest thing is like If you lose 20 or 30 pounds, you're still the same person. It doesn't Automatically mean that it's going to be reigning men and you're and you feel so much better about yourself You have to work on the mental stuff and from my experience not eating meat I was not there fully mentally So even if you lose all the weight It's not going to do for you what you think it's going to do you have to have the mental component In there and you can get caught in these vicious vicious mental cycles of guilt Of detoxing of it was always like day three of my grape cleanse and it just wasn't healthy You know, it wasn't healthy. That's another thing I did were grape cleanses I told a girl with breast cancer to do a 40 day grape cleanse and that it would Why grapes my grapes because they're the because dr I don't even want to call him a doctor because What's his name? Says that they are the most astringent of the fruits and so what he says is that if you stick to just grapes no water for 40 days That it will drain your lymphatic system and that the tumors like will eventually go away because his whole thing is tumors are lymphatic backup And so if you eat grapes for 40 days, it will eventually you'll pee out the tumors essentially It'll break it down and you'll pee them out So I mean, I'm not a Non-internal medicine doctor, but that doesn't sound right to me Right and that's a that's a crap ton of sugar Right like that's a lot if you're only eating. Yeah So, um I just think there's a lot of people probably who have been trying to follow a vegan diet And there's so many people so many people that I meet nowadays who aren't even following a vegan diet They feel the guilt They're like, well, we're destroying the planet. You know one one meet sammy at a time You know those cow parts really burn in a hole in the ozone. It's like they're burning a hole in my brain So yes, um, so I think that this guilt that is being spread in the fear mongering and like, you know, I was so convinced and So then basically what I did was um I was so so sick and somebody had told me about Um a live blood analysis So I went and got one of those done, um, which I've done some research on the validity Validities of those tests and I don't know about that, but it got me on the right track and At first she had tried to convince me to eat meat and I just cried I just cried I was eating 40 or 50 bananas a week and I had no potassium in my blood. That's insane Just want to put that out there No potassium, um I read somewhere that a reese's peanut butter cup has more potassium than banana Anyways, who knows if that's true or not But um, so my blood work was a total mess. That's where I found out that I had leaky gut Um candida my blood was just stuck together all this different stuff. She convinced me to eat meat Um after a few months, but I just cried because I had been so indoctrinated in this idea that meat is the devil And that it was going to cause cancer and that you have only acid or alkaline You know, I was also drinking just Gallons of alkaline water thinking like okay if I get enough alkaline water my cells cannot become acidic Not how it works Those of you guys that don't know the stomach is acidic and it will always try to maintain an acidic ph And the blood is always slightly alkaline. It will always try to maintain the alkalinity I think it's 7.4 to 7.7 for this the blood alkalinity and the stomach ph is usually Around 1.5 to 2 but it can be as high as 3.5 as well. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep She also said that because I was drinking such purified and out and alkaline water That like I had like zero minerals my mineral content was like crazy low She was like you have to go get some spring water like this whole thing is just a total fad So that was really interesting to me and I felt a huge difference Like I was drinking gallons of that stuff like at least a gallon a day of the alkaline water And spending, you know, five dollars on a gallon of it or six dollars like that's Wow, that's amazing So uh, so yeah, and then I started, um Eating a little bit of meat very high veg. She was like, how much sugar are you eating? And I was like literally none except for maybe 17 oranges yesterday And she was like she was like oh honey And so she showed me she was like see all those crystals She's like that's all undigested sugar. That's going straight into your bloodstream and I was just shocked and Because I was so convinced that fruit sugar was not sugar Um, so I immediately cut out She only let me have one lemon a day because she wanted me to do the lemon water, you know, which I don't do anymore Um, but at least this got me started on the right track. I remember the first time I ate meat Afterwards and I was just like you got to be kidding Oh, I'm a grill and machine these days I marinate my meat every morning. Like it's it's great. Um, good. It's some good stuff Oh Yes, and I'm so I'm so good at it now. Um I'm just a grill grill master. Um, so yeah, I started eating more meat started feeling a lot better I was high veg Little meat. Um, and then I came across. Um, no, I met this guy at Um at a coffee shop. I didn't meet him. He works there and um, I didn't meet him there And so he works at a coffee shop and he we were talking about it because he was uh raw vegan for three years and lost a bunch of teeth And his wife Gained like a ton of weight and is having major major health issues after they went raw vegan And they were full blown for three years. Um, and he is like missing teeth on this side Teeth on this side and his teeth were that translucent translucent color and so he's like, hey, have you heard of this carnivore diet? and I was like, what no because we would go back and forth about health stuff and um, he's like yodu. I don't know if this is crazy, but Like those people are cutting out plants and I was like, okay, your guys are so crazy Like there's no way like plants are the best thing ever. Um, how could you ever do that? Whatever and so then I went home and listened to he told me about Sean Baker, but um listen to the Joe Rogan podcast And then I just got deep in it. I saw a video by Daphne reloaded And I was just like It's like it's really like when I left the cult when I left the cult that I grew up in You all of a sudden the world looks different and you're like, I've been lied to For so long and the just the sheer idea Even if you were never even the vegan cult this idea that maybe vegetables aren't all that they're cracked up to be or That a lot of them are, you know, hybridized man made all this stuff is just so So counterintuitive. Um, but so then I just got deep in and that's where I found spherage Sphadia is is how he says his name, but we're gonna say spherage because it's easier and makes more sense um And we'll get to that in a second. Um, so yeah that and that's how I came to what I'm doing now And I've been having really amazing results, but I'm also I've been without plants for maybe two months and it's wonderful. Um Steak bacon eggs all day, baby Like that's what I'm doing and I've lost so much weight and my skin looks better and My addiction stuff like I just it's so it's crazy. What's happened and I'm doing real research this time I'm not just gonna listen to all the youtubers. Like I'm doing my own real research, um And it's making a lot of sense. So go ahead I just would like a timeline because you know, we did I mean 20 minute story. Let's just just block it up in like 30 seconds So, okay You started as a vegan. You went vegetarian. You went back to vegan Hi, brah. That was that was over the course of about four and a half years, right? Three years. Yeah three years Mm-hmm. Yeah, so it was um, yeah So it was like six or seven months vegan a year and a half vegan with some cheese binges and then another year So, yeah, what is that? Yeah about three years. So you were really craving cheese But what stopped you from eating cheese for that last year? I wanted to lose weight and I wanted to okay, and I wanted to detox like I wanted to seriously do it Tox cleanse it baby get all that stuff out I really was convinced that I had vaccines in my brain and mucus and like and that if I could just fully cleanse myself Then I would be saved. You know, I feel like I got vaccines in my brain after listening to myself So how long ago did you actually discover the carnivore diet? Um about two and a half months. So this is very recent. This is pretty recent for you So, uh, can you just touch briefly on? I mean, obviously, you know, you said you had fainting Weight gain bloating, uh, you know, what other health problems did you have from the vegan diet? And what have you noticed in, you know, your short period of time on carnivore? Um, yeah, so it was basically the on the vegan diet It was the insomnia the peeing all night the addiction stuff Like I was just always craving something the freezing. Um, the starving the guilt Um, uh the leaky gut And all and the candida those were like the main symptoms and then the heart palpitations I also developed this really weird breathing thing Where I like could not Breathe catch your breath. Yes. Yes. And it was like it was really really scary and nobody could tell me what was going on and um And so that so as soon as I went carnivore, um Um So when I started eating meat and I saw that lady with the live blood analysis She also put me on like a crazy herbal protocol. So I was still ingesting just insane amounts of plants Um, and I found out that they weren't sourced from good places. So, um, she So I was on low meat high veg with about 90 herbs a day Yeah, so that I found out are coming from like not good places. So, um So then I about a month and a half into that I found carnivore and I just immediately started trying it. Um, and Overnight I slept through the night I stopped peeing so much. I was peeing maybe like once a night Um, my addiction type stuff Went away cravings for marijuana cravings for I had stopped drinking a while back. Um cravings for food craving for sugar cravings for Carbs like it was just immediate and I just dropped this belly. My belly just went away Oh That's the best feeling ever Um, my skin. Oh my skin started to look more alive. Sorry someone called me My skin started to look more alive and full Um, I got color in my face. Um I mean it was pretty amazing and then about two weeks into that, um, I think it was because I was ingesting all those herbs. I'm not really sure Um, and I started to have really re-reactions to the herbs So now I've stopped taking the herbs and I'm gonna go and just try this for 30 to 60 days and see what happens because I Am having such good results and the biggest thing is is the addiction stuff like I don't I mean I've always struggled and felt like I needed something and and now I feel so satiated and so full For the first time in my life and my body's just I can't work out right now because I have this nasty neck injury So I can only walk and I lost like 15 or 20 pounds Well, I probably like 15 pounds and all the bloat just just in the last two months And my body all of a sudden is just taking shape And my tummy looks good and like it's like I'm developing muscles without even or you know, it's just it's coming back My body's falling into what it's supposed to be Yeah And it's just about every every single girl I've done a couple most of my ex vegan interviews have been with women who have gone from vegan or vegetarian to carnivore and their Their body composition their lean body mass just improves drastically and they're not even working out No, definitely something to be said about the nutrient and macronutrient requirement You know really just to be an optimal health And the anxiety like I've woken up every day in my life with anxiety the first two weeks on carnivore I woke up just with this calm And I think the herbs really started to mess that up So I'm really anxious to see and that's the kind of stuff I want to talk about On on my channel is like is show like The anxiety the sense of doom like I've never experienced release from that So if that can happen overnight I'm in from vegan cult to carnivore cult. Yes, and then I wanted to just go through really quick if it's okay um Just these little bullet points about like why the veganism is a cult and the vegan jocles So, um just really quick it's like Because I love that term vegan jocles because that's really what happens in evangelical christ christian cults or whatever it's like Um, you know and obviously a cult is very different than just a christian church. So I'm not bashing them It's a very different situation like the one I grew up in but there you have this idea of like this saved mentality Like I can I have to be saved. I have to save everyone else You walk around the grocery store with this half elitist attitude and half Like you we need to save the planet and we need to save if you eat that you're going to get cancer and Alzheimer's and You know, you have to tell everyone about it and that's such an evangelical thing um And people follow it to the point where they're hurting their own bodies and their children's bodies and like They're always trying to attain this thing that the quote-unquote leaders have And then you meet the leaders and they're full of shit And they don't have it either, you know um and then It takes over your entire life. Everything is seen through a vegan Vegan lens, right? It's hard to date people who aren't vegan hard to be friends with people who aren't vegan It takes over your entire adult life You only matter within the confines of that group So if you leave you were never a vegan you're damned to hell You're not a person anymore. You only matter in that box. That's such a cult like mentality And if you if you stray at all then you're not right and you're not saved um And you can never really reach salvation or detox. There's always more there's always more And the more you suffer the more holy you are And leaving something like that is legitimately the same experience as I had when I left the christian cult Um, you're so confused. You don't know what to do. You feel like you've been lied to Um, and the indoctrination is so deep. So I could only eat bacon for like Six weeks because just the texture of thick meat even though bacon's so good. Um, I'm eating a lot of it now. Um You know Even just putting meat in your mouth. I have people who live above me and this girl is having some major major major health issues She's been that vegan for 10 years and she was like ali. I just don't She's like I could never put meat in my mouth Never well, I can't say the same about new york city girls, but what I can say is I knew that was gonna be bad What I can say is that you know, you never hear this thing about like keto dieters or paleo dieters You know, you never hear these people upset that people are no longer paleo or keto. They said, oh, you know, it just didn't work for them Or whatever or then they go on to do other things. It's not, you know, you could just tell the response that vegans have but uh Speaking of carnivore cult. Yes Yes, let's move on We should get into the next story. Uh, yeah, we could yeah, I think we've touched on everything for the most part Yeah, yeah, if you have any other questions, let me know. Um, but yeah, that's my experience with that And things are a lot better now. So, um, once I had done all that I I found, uh, Spirige And at first I remember thinking like Okay, this guy I remember thinking he's just as bad as as vegans and then I started So I was pretty turned off by that. Um, but then I started watching the next vegan interviews and and really enjoyed it And and there's times that he comes across Sincere and he has I just want to preface this, you know, I'm the one Like I contacted Frank because I wanted like a platform to tell the story on and um, and I really Enjoy the way that he delivers in his videos and stuff and so um And so I just wanted to tell the story Not to bash him because I don't want to act like that. This is not to bash Spirige at all. This is not to discredit This is not I think he's doing that already on his own. Um, but this isn't to bash him This is to get some information out there that I think is really important. I just wanted to preface with that um, so basically, uh You know, I'd seen the x vegan videos and I thought how cool it would be to tell my own story I've also always wanted to start a youtube channel. I have all this footage from when I was vegan that maybe I'll post someday It's crazy. I'm like, I'm on day three of this salt flush and I'm like I was watching them. I look so sick and I'm like so So sick. Um Oh, I used to drink, you know, pound a whole thing of alkaline water with like I don't even know how much salt it was just terrifying. Um, sometimes they would get stuck in there too, which was My nature. You have the soft flush. My blood is 72 percent acidic That's funny. I don't know why I'm having carp palpitations and I can't breathe I should probably eat some mangoes Um, or maybe like a whole pack of dates. That was another thing, you know, whole whole thing of dates because dates are the super cool Don't worry about it. Um So nice cream is freaking delicious though. I just have to say that. Um, okay Can you tell people what nice cream is for those of you? Yeah, absolutely. So nice cream is where you um, it's banana ice cream essentially, so You um freeze a bunch of bananas and you get like a nice nice blender You know, like a vitamix or a food processor I love when you talk about how vitamix is like are the most unnatural thing Like I never ever thought about that until I watched your videos I'm like, oh, yeah Duh like you never could blend stuff up like that in nature and add all this stuff When some when I heard that kale wasn't a super food. I was or you know, what it what it contains I was like, do you know how much of that I've shoveled down my throat thinking it was so good So you take the you take the frozen bananas. It's baby food. We don't have to touch it. It's baby food We're good. Let's uh Yeah, so you blend up the you blend up the bananas You add dates a ton of other sugar cherries and it comes out this beautiful soft serve So I would eat that for a lunch lunch and dinner and thinking I was doing so good and my whole body I just got the feeling again talking about it my your body. I remember the sugar rush You know going through my whole body. Um, so back to spheridge. Um, so I've always wanted to start my own youtube channel and I thought to myself, uh You know, what better what better way to get started than to go do a an x vegan interview with him So I contacted him and he was going to be in Arizona like you guys have probably seen recently. Um, I'm the x vegan from colorado that he's referring to in his videos Um, so I contacted him and he immediately contacted me back and I and I was like you should come out to boulder That's where I live in colorado. Um, and he said that was just too far So I was like, you know what? I found a cheap ticket online. I looked at it as like an investment into my own channel Um, and I was like, let's do it like let's go have some fun Um, and I thought it would be really cool. He hooked me up. I was gonna Maybe stay in an airbnb. I'm glad I didn't because I would have been even more money Um, and he got me in touch with one of his other subscribers um out there that I could stay with and um, so That happened and she and I formed a pretty cool relationship um, and so Yeah, so basically I bought the plane ticket and um And as soon as I bought the plane ticket things started getting weird like He stopped communicating with me and stopped communicating with this other lady and um I would like to just put their channels out there because I think that they deserve the recognition It's elastic strength and a strong spirit woman don and tracy. There there are some wonderful people Um, and they deserve a lot of attention. They have some great thoughts about nutrition and um getting rid of dogma about it So I just wanted to give them that um, but So we so she and I were communicating and he just would not communicate with us. It was so hard to get him to communicate and I remember one night like He told them basically like to stay up all night in case he was gonna show up Like they offered him a place to stay and she texted me and she's like well He might come and he might not and I just remember like she and I were texting about it and I'm like Like what's going on here? Like it was it just started to smell fishy from the very beginning Then two days before I'm supposed to leave mind you I take off of work to do this I'm paying money to go do this um, and I take off work all this stuff and she um Two days before I go I'm about to go to bed and I get a notification in my youtube And he had just posted a video and it's the video. I think he's taking it down now Of course, but where he's saying that he had nowhere to stay because this because one of his subscribers bailed Right and he's saying we have to wait for the x vegan from colorado Like he also said that he knew for over a week at this point that they didn't know where they were gonna stay He couldn't contact me couldn't contact me So I email him. I'm like, hey, I'm flying out in two days. Like is this still gonna happen? All he says back is not looking good And I'm like, dude, I'm coming out there to see you To do this whole thing. Can you please at least communicate with me? And in the back of my mind and I and I told this to the lady I was like I was like I guarantee you that the reason that he has nowhere to stay is because he's treating this other subscriber Just like he's treating us like I knew it. I knew it which ended up being very true So they're acting like Oh, we have nowhere to stay. Can someone please say let us stay here Whatever so I have no communication from him. So I just decide I'm like, you know what I'm still gonna go I'm gonna enjoy myself. Maybe the whole point was I'm meeting this other couple. They seem really cool I'm gonna go enjoy it No contact from him whatsoever. I arrive in Arizona He calls me From somebody else's phone because they don't have cell phones and I don't know why but they don't have cell phones He only emails I don't and Tracy come pick me up from the airport he I get a call from an arizona number. So I'm like, what so I answer it. Ali. It's me I'm like cool finally hear from you and he's like, hey, uh, can we stay there tonight and um, Can uh, can you come pick us up? Right, like just it's all so last minute. Nothing's planned out. He just expects you to take care of him And so I'm like, uh, sure and like so we didn't even know if the interviews were gonna happen They have an acupuncture clinic where they need to take care of patients that day and he's like cool Can we just show up and also can you come pick us up because somebody had let him stay at their air bnb Somebody came through and let them stay there, which is very very nice. So not everybody in arizona is an effing a hole um He actually got berry taken care of So I call a lift because I don't want thon and tracy to spend more time. Sorry. We go in way over time, but um So basically I call them a lift they come to do the interview as soon as they get there. I mean, it's just the most awkward unprofessional unorganized thing of my life and um And I'm trying to like talk to them. I thought we would have good discussions luna is very very sweet, but Is you can just tell she just follows him around like a puppy dog um And basically we do the interviews. It's super awkward at one point. I was asking him about nutrition um, he He wouldn't answer and basically tells me like I don't read books and I don't study anymore Like he verbally said I don't read books But after our whole discussion like he doesn't feel like he needs to do any more Research, right? Like he has all the answers. Um, and anytime don and tracy brought up anything about nutrition He would shut it down so hard. Like there's no healthy back and forth discussion. It's like he is the only You know, not only are you supposed to just do everything that he wants but He is the only, uh Word of advice here. Um, he didn't want to talk about nutrition. Um, they had Jars of honey. They had um, which I know he eats some honey, but jars of honey jars of juices fruit juices Tons of water. I'm like dude. You say on your channel that you never drink water, you know um, luna was really sick because um, she had they had been eating like all this stuff that I've been sitting out for four or five days um some beef heart and Like butter and rock kefir and stuff that had been sitting out for a long time So she was really sick and weak and didn't feel good and um, and he just Totally ignored her the whole time. Like she kept saying i'm really really hungry and he just stone cold stone cold um and And I just remember being really awestruck by their relationship dynamic. It was very very very unhealthy. Um, and he just didn't care um, and so then They did the other interview Um, I left for a little bit. I came back And there was a moment when he was kind of nice and I do have to say that they did figure out You know, they stayed and waited it for me in Arizona for four or five days. So You know as much as it was a horrible experiment experience. I do have to Acknowledge that they did stay and wait for me. Um Even though they put pressure on everybody else uh So there was a part of me, you know, they didn't have any food or money or anything And so I offered like at one point he said He was like, so I shouldn't feel guilty that were That were leaving tomorrow and I was like no not at all and I was so surprised by this moment of sincerity and I was like how about The other thing is because of the way I grew up. I'm really attract. I I'm really attracted to this like cult like mindset and people who are kind of like leaders in that way, particularly narcissists and And I can kind of because of my own trauma go out of body and want to take care of them And so I totally fell back into my old patterning And I'd also slept two hours the night before so I just wasn't really with it And I and I told them I was like, well, I would be happy to to take you guys out for dinner And what I meant I said happy to take you to get some food And what I meant is like I was like, we can go to Whole Foods or Sprouts or a butcher and get you some raw meat That's not what they wanted. So Um, that's what I said and Luna was like, okay. Yeah, whatever he wants like sure that'd be great Again, it was all about him. And so, um So after all the interviews were like sitting there and he just starts getting it was like he was super weird and awkward and then and not talkative And very just had this elitist attitude and then all of a sudden he became like So snarky like everything he said was a put down and Even to the people who are letting him stay like they had clinic They had clients at their acupuncture clinic and he's just demanding this stuff like I need wi-fi and this lady Left her phone there while she went and did errands because he needed the hot spot And it was just it just started getting weird and so I and so we were gonna go out We were gonna go get food and um He's just very snarky and he starts filming and I have to say like part of me also just wanted to be on camera more You know, like I'm not gonna lie. Like I at this point. I'm like, you know what? This is all this is also for me to get my youtube out there. So let's just go with it So We're about to go to dinner. Just he Luna and I And we're walking around phoenix. He's filming and I'm like, okay. What do you guys want to eat? Like What would you like to eat? And He says burger king and I don't even take that as like a serious comment Because why would I take that as a serious comment? It's fair. She only eats raw meat. He doesn't drink water whatever and And at this point, I think he was dead serious And so we walk around for like 30 minutes and Luna's just like cold and like about to cry and is like all upset And she won't say anything. He won't say anything Like they're they just aren't acting like adults at all and I think it's because they wanted cooked food and they just didn't want to admit it And so we're walking around. I'm like, you guys I'm so exhausted like let's just figure out what we're gonna eat Can we please figure it? And he's like, well, I don't know He was being so weird and just like condescending and It was one of the weirdest situations of my life. So finally he says I was like, can we go to a steakhouse? Like, you know, that's what I would like is some steak Like maybe you get maybe they'll give it to you rare and he's like only if it's a brazilian steakhouse Which I've never been to a brazilian steakhouse. I didn't know it's like 60 dollars a plate and um So I'm like cool whatever like at this point. I'm so done It's such an awkward situation and um And so I'm like fine. Let's go and so we're I lift us to the I order a lift we go to the brazilian steakhouse. Nobody's talking. They don't ask me any questions about myself They're fighting um, he's just totally ignoring her um And so we go to the steakhouse and I realize on the way there that it's like 60 dollars a plate And of course he would suggest that Like if somebody came to visit me, I would not If somebody already put out all this money and they were offering to buy me dinner I would not suggest like a 200 dollar dinner right away It's just so it's so brash and so but it's so in line with everything else that happened We get to the steakhouse. I'm asking him questions about nutrition. He has no answers um, he's telling me Some really creepy stuff um Makes jokes about coming to colorado and sleeping in my bed. I guess they sleep they try to sleep in beds with subscribers. It's like It's really Strange and I was like well, I have cats and he's deathly allergic to cats and he's like, okay Well, we can cook them And I make this awkward laugh and Luna's like no, he's dead serious And it was just like that the whole time. There was no healthy discussion. There was no They don't care about me. They don't care about anything Um, they were fighting again. Um, and I was trying to intervene. I'm like, I don't even know you people Um, and at one point I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna be spending so much on this dinner And this is so weird. I want to film this right like I want some exposure for my own channel I asked them if I can film And it was the most awkward Five seconds of my entire life. They both just like put their head down. Mind you. He's eating tons of cooked meat Down he downed an entire liter of like expensive still water And basically they don't It was Aquapanna Um, and she's eating stuff. That's not even that you know, she's eating some other stuff But I you know, she does that's totally fine. But I was just shocked. I'm like first of all, this guy's totally using me He's cutting me down. He's acting like I'm a total idiot. He tried to pressure me into eating vegetables Like it was he's like what what you're not going to eat veggies Like it's just I have dated a narcissist before and it's like gaslighting and this like Bully mentality where like they just want to constantly they cannot have a they cannot have any real discussion It's like this hurt little boy who Has to be the alpha at all times. It was just so weird. Um And yeah, so I asked to film and they're just like it's so awkward and I'm like no and he just goes maybe after I eat And I was like I was like, okay, you know, it's totally fine. Like I don't have to film Like don't even worry about it and he gives me this like searing look the searing look where I could just tell He's like if you tell anyone and right after that like I've never been looked at like that it was so weird and And right after that he proceeds to tell me about making that fuck phoenix video, right? He's like I'm gonna expose. He's like, how dare these people not take care of me. I'm like You're at a two hundred dollar dinner right now, bro. Like you know, um And basically I just got this feeling that like if I if I said anything They use eating cooked me and drinking all this water that like he would take me down And again, that was a feeling but if you had been there, you probably would have felt the same And when he sees this he's probably gonna say like oh, she's so fake whatever And if you saw the footage you'd probably think so too But at that time like I'm the kind of person if it's awkward I will just take over I will just Like I will put the happy face on I I was like handling the whole situation because it was so strange. Um Yeah, so that happens at dinner Luna is like done eating she like they like wanted me to uber them back before the check got there They joked about dining and dashing I'm like We're not all like I'm gonna pay the bill, you know, so it was it was 200 dollars before the tip Luna wanted to leave so we didn't even really eat Like an entire dinner the meat was horrible. It was fogo to chow. I don't know if anyone's been there It was not that good. It was it wasn't good at all. Yeah No, I'm saying it's not good. It's not good. It's not good. I was like, what is this? Um And and yeah, and I'm at this point. I'm just so shocked. Um I mean and he did say at dinner. He just kept saying really weird stuff like saying I don't know. I don't even know if I want to bring this up But he was just saying, you know, we're talking about colorado because I live in colorado and he's like, yeah He's like the only reason I want to come to colorado is to see columbine I'm like where all these people got murdered Like it's just it was just it was stuff like that constantly talking about a subscriber sending their blood and him drinking it and I was just so shocked that this guy that I thought was very First of all knew a lot about nutrition and intelligent and I just thought it was going to be a very different situation Is is what I'm trying to get across and um Um Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get across and so Uh, we head back to the hotel where or to the acupuncture clinic where somebody from san diego is coming to pick him up so this guy drove like six hours to come pick him up and um And uh, they ended up not even staying there because he has such a horrific cat allergy that somehow some Some sort of cat got in there. He's convinced got into the acupuncture clinic and um And so they convinced this guy to buy them a hotel room for the night This other subscriber and then they drove he drove them all the way back to california And I'm like, you know what like Jesus and then two days later. I'm still in arizona and the fuck phoenix video comes out What what was the what was the I don't understand. What was the video about? Oh my gosh, it was him saying that everyone in phoenix and everyone who lives there is an egotistical elitist scumbag Because they didn't provide him a place to stay but they wanted to meet him Okay, here's the here's the truth On that video The guy who he was originally supposed to stay with commented and said yeah, dude I'm the scumbag and he says the f word like a zillion times. He's like yeah, man I'm the scumbag because I you know because I offered you a place to stay He basically lines out exactly what happened and I knew it was exactly what happened. He goes. Yeah, man I'm the fucking scumbag because You know, I I offer you a place to stay you don't communicate with me at all You show up a week early. You expect me to leave my job buy you food um Drop my entire life so that you can come and stay with me and you treat me like and you treat me like dirt And the Dalai Lama is in that what the Dalai Lama does What the Dalai Lama, you know who the the Dalai Lama goes around and like they have to feed him and fouls him I think something like that. That's what I'm thinking of Yeah, exactly exactly Exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's how he acts like that's what's amazing and that's why That's why I want to get this message out there But but basically this guy posts everything that happened and guess what that comment got deleted in two seconds I wish I had screen shot at it because Because of course like he's not, you know, he's acting like nobody took care of him and whatever And really he screwed over this guy and treated him like dirt and that guy stood up for himself But guess what then happened? He got put up in an airbnb. I took him to a $200 dinner Don and Tracy let him stay last minute And this other guy drives from San Diego to pick them up buys them a hotel room drives them back to San Diego I'm assuming paid for food the whole time But yeah, Phoenix is really horrible And then I see all these other people on his on on the comments and they're like, god, you're so generous like How could people do that to you? It was probably a vegan like they probably set you up and like all this stupid shit like No, like this guy I'm sorry He has some good content. I'm not gonna like that's why I went and if anything I'm bashing myself because I'm the one Who put myself in this situation? And yes, it has to do with some of my past trauma and me falling into old patterns Sure, but I'm here to say like this is me saying like And I could get slaughtered for this by a lot of people But that's how bad this was and that's how bad I want people to understand that like you cannot just blindly Follow this dude. Okay. You just can't and and he has so much of it ties into all the cult stuff because The classic cult leader, right? Like they have a cut they have some weird ass awakening You know, which if you watch his old videos, he did has this awakening has a couple good ideas I'm pretty sure all he knows is the adjunct stuff And he doesn't seem to be willing to to experiment anymore or research anymore or learn anymore That's also a terrible for those of you who don't know. That's the jonas wander planets made a book on the raw primal diet Primal body primal mind. I'm not from body format. Um jonas wander planets book was What was it We want to live we want to live that was it. Yeah I'm pretty sure recipes. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that that's like his whole repertoire Like I know he made that new world order diet documentary and I really liked the first whole first part of it You know with Natasha Campbell McBride and all that stuff, but like if someone's not willing to learn That's a scary. That's scary Um, but you know a classic cult leader, they have some awakening They have some good intentions and some good points. They develop this crazy following Then they start to become exposed because people Begin to understand and people meet him and I'm not going to be one of those people who just like is quiet Just to get views and just to be on his channel. Like it started to just eat me up alive. I'm like I cannot be involved with this um Yeah, they end up getting exposed and then they lose their following except for the extremists And that's exactly what I think is going to happen here And I'm not here to yeah, go ahead. I mean I mean I don't have like I obviously don't have firsthand experiences with this but the you know, you said some things like Uh, you know, you asked him a lot about nutrition and you said he just dismissed it Like what do you mean like you'd ask him like what a question about I asked him about like parasites and um He just goes there's symbionts And he wouldn't answer anything else So, I mean, you know, like I have a I have a video talking about parasites where I explain the Parasites that occur in different types of meat and what the concerns are and what they do in the body You know, there's definitely You know, you could you could arguably make an explanation about parasites and then try to argue for his point But if you if he just says that they're you know, symbiotic creatures and that they're supposed to they're beneficial That's you can you know, you can explain that further Um, I mean, I guess that's uh, so he's he gives like curt short responses without really explaining Yeah, the most part for the nutrition. Yeah, he just doesn't want Yeah, he just didn't want to talk about it. Like he didn't want to get into it He didn't want to talk about it. He's like, yeah, I don't read books Like I asked him what he thought about Even like some spiritual stuff and he's like, I don't know like why would you ask me that? And I've had experiences like this with like the cult leaders in my church Like when you really get in there with them, there's no depth. There's no like connection. There's no Even without the connection, like he just he has like this one He has just like these one ideas and he obviously doesn't even stick to them You know, I mean with all the juice and everything that they had and I know that they like ate at the motel Six the next day and uh, and luna was like telling this other lady how much better she felt now that she had some like some some food and um I think she needed a little bit of cooked food um, but yeah, I mean he There was no don and tracy would bring up all this different stuff about nutrition And he just yeah, so he dismissed the stuff about nutrition But you you're saying he's he ate like a lot of what do you mean by juice and what do you mean by like uh I eat at the motels like you mean they're eating like cooked food and stuff or oh, yeah Oh, yeah, at least with me. I mean, I'm sure you know, obviously he like a bunch of cooked meat at fogo to chow Um, and then when they when they came to the acupuncture clinic They had like these big gallons of like orange juice or some other types of juices He was really concerned about water Like he was about to make don go get him more water Before they like we went back after dinner to the acupuncture clinic and he's like I don't know if we have enough water and like is looking at us like are we are you going to go get us water? I'm like no, I'm not gonna I mean, I don't I don't know a hundred percent on whether or not he's Uh, I mean he advocates or raw. I don't really know what he's up to like I know he's always advocated a raw diet I know he's mentioned that he's eaten cooked meat on special occasions and that he doesn't really drink water but uh I mean who knows he does seem to be in that mindset of you know Not drinking water only eating raw food and for him to go against that and I mean it's not a good look. Um, you know, you know, the main thing is if you're gonna do something and It's not working for your health Then you shouldn't be suggesting it to other people It's to me. That's a glaring issue I personally had problems in the past myself with the raw primal diet and I noticed that when I was on it. I was craving sugar. I was craving calories in general So to me, there's definitely something to be said about every indigenous group consuming both raw and cooked foods um Did you want to touch on anything else in regards to uh, um, no, I mean, I just remember like when we got back he said Like luna was like, I feel bad that you spent so much money on dinner and and I was like, well, you know I mean, I'm looking at it as like, you know, you got whatever I I explained myself and all he said was well, we like it when people like to spend money And the way he said it was just so here's my thing with him It's like If you after my experience with this like I just don't believe that he is quite the person that he says he is And all I want to do is I know he's not but I just want to warn the people out there who are following him Like me like just do your own research and if like he said he preaches like I'm I'm not You know, I'm not a part of the system. I don't live in the system Like I've been free for seven years from work, but like It's everybody else who's working that is supporting him If he if he was out in the woods making videos and like had made a homestead and was killing his own animals and like All that kind of stuff I would respect it But you're traveling internationally with no money And you expect everybody else to take care of you That's still that's living off the system, bro You're still in the system Yeah, and I want to let the new the the the subscribers who are coming in and who who are who you know Because so many people comment they're like, hey, if you ever come here, you always have a place to stay man We'll always take care of you and like just know what you're getting into number one number two He did get taken care of I want to defend phoenix from that video Like he got super taken care of and the fact that he didn't even mention that in his videos That shows how ungrateful he really is And that he'll delete the comments from the people who really know That's scary stuff. So Again, I just kind of wanted to talk about that. I fell into it because of my own trauma my own experience Um, and I think deep down he has some he has like Part of him that's sincere, but it's become very sick over time. So, um And I just don't think that that the nutritional That he knows very much about it truly And and so that's that's all I wanted to say, I guess well I didn't really expect that can of worms to open up. So Ali Ali i'm glad I'm glad you reached out to me. I know this was you know, I'm sure we could have gone a little bit more In depth with the vegan stuff and shared your vegan stories, but really at this point Um, we see a lot of cookie cutter things happen to vegans, you know, it's very similar things very similar symptoms similar outcomes Uh cult mentality. It's it's it's very it's very cookie cutter It's there's no real deviation in People's vegan experience and then coming back to a regular diet. It's usually almost the exact same story just different part of the world Different way they usually similar ways they got into the diet usually different You know the symptoms usually fall in line with gut issues Nutrient deficiencies and then eventually they go to a doctor their friends and family They take them out of it. It's it's all cookie cutter all the same story But the the sparrows thing is definitely I mean, that's unfortunate. I know that he you know judging from his videos um You know, he definitely I've seen him do things that Or you know questionable to some degree at least in regards to um You know him being with subscribers and just like always asking people for money That's the only thing I've really noticed and I didn't really give it much credit um And I really did have a hard time just believing that Someone was able to follow just a raw primal diet for such a long period of time without deviating from it So I guess that did confirm some suspicions. I had but um Uh, I guess I got a little bit of grunt work to do Yeah, and I just don't want to see like a bunch of people fall into the same exact trap that they were in In veganism and become this like cult like mentality because that's exactly what he's promoting and that's exactly how he is And like there's just the the stuff to back it up is not there Well ali Thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm glad you made me aware of this to some degree Definitely some consideration. So Uh, if you guys want to check out ali's channel, so you didn't make a couple videos on ali's world I'm looking forward to seeing those nut job vegan videos. She claims she has reported But if you guys do want to check out her channel, that stuff's going to be in the description From what she said earlier, you're going to be doing videos on cult behavior, narcissism, things like that Yes, all of it. I want to get into quantum physics spirituality, um eating I want to document what happens on my carnivore journey now so you guys can see and um, I mean I want to get into tons of different stuff But yeah a lot about breaking out of of cult like mentality and dogman It's going to be a fun channel Well ali that sounds great. Uh, if you guys would like to support the channel anyway There's a bunch of stuff in the description from my amazon shop patreon You guys can reach out to me for one on one stuff. All that stuff is going to be in the comments below um, but uh Thank you guys for watching and uh, enjoy the rest of your week. All right. Thanks rank. Bye guys