 Worldwide tend to be very similar whereas Mexican restaurants do not well I think it has to do with the way Italian immigration Happened and so at least at least through the Americas when when Italian immigrants Arrived they brought you know, whatever at that period of time the popular recipes were that you know people are eating And it's one of the reasons why at least in Australia They say like Melbourne has such a sophisticated coffee cultures because when the Italian immigrants arrived in Australia At that period of time like cap or express those were like the big thing for more on Rogers thoughts on Italian immigration See this week's East meets West you should also check out There's a really good Netflix documentary on that like on on it's supposed to my immediate question is is if if that's why Italian food is Is so similar worldwide why isn't Mexican food more similar worldwide? I think it's because I need more similar worldwide. I think that happens So it depends like for example, a lot of the Chinese immigration that came out of China initially like during the 1800s Came from a very specific province of China. So the recipes they carried were very regional to that Very very inquisitive So a lot of I interestingly left a note of Northern Italians ended up in Latin America or South America Well, a lot of south Southern Italians ended up in the US and North America But then why isn't Italian food very worldwide more? Why is it always? I had a pretty crazy Hong Kong Italian although I I say to anyone who ever stops by Vegas You should swing by Cirque du Cirque cause there's a very curious Italian Mexican restaurant It's so funny that you say that because yesterday when I had to go to USC to pick up my stuff from the Amazon store Which is never do that Horrible, but on my way back. I was in a bunch of traffic and I saw a Mexican Italian No, I'm sorry a Mexican Chinese Restaurant hybrid and I was so sort of like horrified that I actually pulled over and took some photos Mexican Chinese food tends to be a little sweeter even more so than American Chinese food So it's a it's a it's a It's a variety of Chinese food because I thought it was just like we're Mexican food and Chinese food I could be but like there is such a thing as Mexican Chinese food. There are Chinese immigrants Unfortunately, yeah, yeah, there were some political upheaval and a lot of them moved up to the LA area Hey, Sarah. Hey Tom bet you know what I'm gonna ask you. I will do it Good. This is the benefit of doing a show together for more than a year All right, Patrick yes, how were you born in a state of readiness? All right, here we go, it's errands, I think by the way Hey, hey trying to throw Sarah off. What's up with that? All right, I should up telemarketers doing a show There we go in three two Lorna Renz has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Lauren become a DTNs member at patreon.com slash DTNs This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday March 19th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feel I and I'm Sarah Lane And from the countryside in Finland. I'm Patrick Beja And I'm the show's producer Roger Jane. We missed you Patrick See it took me a little moment to realize I was back. I thought I was just listening to the show as I do every day That's fantastic. How are your travels? Oh? they were Unlucky in the weather department, but lucky in every other department Yeah, sorry about the weather we are gonna talk about Google's new game streaming product that they described I'm good. It's all short of saying announced they described a great detail Google Stadia a little later in the show, but let's start with a few tech things you should know Xiaomi announced its Q4 profit tripled on an increase of revenue of 27% the profit beat analysts expectations The revenue however did not Xiaomi now ranks as the fourth largest Phone vendor in Europe and sales outside of China made up 40% of the company's revenue in its Q4 Smartphone sales made up 65.1% of Q4 revenue and Jeremy said that it plans to invest more than 10 billion won in AI over the next five years Xiaomi it is unavoidable Instagram announced in a blog post it's launching a beta show shopping program with over 20 beauty and fashion brands The test allows a user to tap on a view the product button Then check out on Instagram rather than getting bounced out to a commercial site to a commerce site The feature will be rolled out over the course of the next few weeks to mobile users in the US and will feature products from Adidas Adidas. How do you read this in English? Adidas Yeah, that's the European way to do it Kylie cosmetics and Nike among others or Nike if you want to say it the European way Patrion announced it will launch new plans with increased prices for creators on the platform starting in May Anyone already using? Patreon before the new plans go into effect will keep their existing plans at the existing price Patron's also going to simplify its processing fee structure, which currently varies based on what payment processors charge So that might be a more for some like me might be less for others Tom sat down That's me actually I sat down with Jack Conti to discuss why patreon is doing this and you can find that interview in your feed Or at daily tech news show comm Unionization sweeping the tech world Well, at least it's getting started too hot on the heels of gimlet media organizing within Spotify Now Kickstarter staff announced plans to unionize as Kickstarter United in cooperation with the office and professional employees International Union or OPEI you local 153 Kickstarter is a public benefit corporation meaning It is quote obligated to consider not only the impact of decisions on society not just for shareholders Yeah, public benefit corporation has some different meanings here in the United States So they're obligated to consider the decisions that how the decisions impact the general world not not just Obligated to increase shareholder value. So they have to approach unions differently I also talked to a friend of mine who's a union organizer and he says because I was like why the office and professional employees International Union and And and you know he he has told me this before he's like Almost any union could organize these guys because there's just no union presence in the technology world yet So so any anyone could provide some sort of help and guidance on this and it's pretty interesting All right, let's talk a little bit more about another Apple hardware announcement. There's this is a trend Patrick It's incredible there might even be another one tomorrow Apple updated its Mac line with 8th gen and 9th gen Intel processors Radeon Pro Vega graphics options are also available across the iMac lineup as well as up to 64 gigabytes of RAM and two terabytes SSD storage Pricing before upgrades remains unchanged upgrades though aren't cheap added Adding a Radeon Pro Vega 64 X costs $700 the 256 gigabytes RAM memory option costs an extra 5,200 American worth every penny Ridiculous 256 gigabytes of RAM Well The thing and put it in myself, and I will not spend $5,200 a year I was also disappointed that we didn't get a price drop on the the iMac line Which I have been researching Extensively as of late because I'm kind of putting together my new studio. So that was kind of disappointing that aside It's it's interesting to me that ahead of next week's announcement Apple is like, alright, we got new iPads. We got new iMacs Let's just get all that stuff out of the way because they're probably going to to touch on all of this and you know Be like, ooh, you know good stuff for the for the folks But but they they want to get the the fanfare out of the way before Their announcement next week, which leads me to believe that they feel like they have a pretty packed keynote otherwise Yeah Well, this is gonna this is their pivot to services next Monday's announcement It's gonna be about TV and news and they don't want to clutter it up with other stuff So it is interesting to see them announce this all in advance and also our intern Amos pointed out that you have the Adobe Summit right after Monday Tuesday through Thursday So it may be getting these product announcements in time to be showed off at the Adobe Summit using some Adobe software to Move it on to Microsoft Microsoft Teams has been out for about two years now and is used by 500,000 organizations the company announced eight new features starting today Microsoft whiteboard lets team members work on an infinite canvas and even lets you add content from a physical whiteboard Comes in handy data loss prevention is now generally available scans to stop sensitive information from being unintentionally shared and live events Let's anyone create video and interactive discussions across teams stream or Yammer for up to 10,000 people Coming soon are live captions and restrictions on who can communicate with whom and later this year teams will get customized backgrounds the ability to capture off of the analog whiteboards and secure private channels as well Yeah, I think this demonstrates to me mostly the fact that Microsoft has a built-in advantage With office 365 with Microsoft 365. Yeah, when you're in the enterprise workplace If teams just comes with the software that you're subscribing to as an enterprise You're more likely to use it then go out and pay slack extra money for that On top of the fact that teams is a useful product I think that's definitely true But we also tend to discount the power and the use cases people get out of Microsoft's Business enterprise solutions, you know things like active directory is an invaluable tool and it integrates in all of their services and We tend to look at Microsoft and think oh, you know, they're the guys that have the advantage and Of course, everyone would be using clack if if they they didn't have to pay for office 365 Which for some people might be the case but think of how much slack has changed and improved over the last couple of years and now think of Microsoft teams and all of the actual usable tools. They're adding on top of the fact that they are Integrated with the rest of the ecosystem I really think that from a lot of people who look at this from the outside are either freelancers or journalists or etc And don't realize how efficient and well put together the Microsoft enterprise Suits of products are yep. No, it's a great point Nvidia announced the Jetson nano it's latest in the line of Jetson boards Jetson boards are embedded computing boards often meant for things like robots The onboard ai in the Jetson nano can do object recognition and autonomous navigation along with a few other things without needing a connection to the cloud So that makes it faster makes it more secure also means it qualifies for the buzzword edge computing If you have that on your buzzword bingo card, please mark it off now It supports tensorflow pie torch cafe keras and mx net A developer kit version is probably what most people in our audience would be interested in That cost you 99 bucks But if you are a small manufacturer and you've developed a product around this board You can get a production ready unit for a commercial manufacturer at 129 bucks a pop With a minimum order of a thousand of them So you have to order a thousand of these modules, but they'll come production ready You don't have to configure each one yourself for diy folks There's also an open source autonomous robot kit called jetbot That includes the nano board as well as a robot chassis a battery pack and motors all for 250 bucks So this is definitely for for people interested in robotics either as a hobby or as a small time business Or maybe even a medium-sized business So this is definitely i mean i understand it's not a new line product line, but it's an nvidia definitely desperately trying to Diversify from gpus, right? I don't know how this is a business to business. I mean nvidia You make it sound like nvidia's got one last chance and it's That might be a little bit overstating it, but i mean they've been trying they've been doing different types of specialized GPUs or even you know systems or chips for a few years now And it I might be wrong, but it doesn't seem like any of them has caught fire They did things for autonomous vehicles and a few other things I I don't know that I associate nvidia with anything other than GPUs still, but that might be my might yeah I don't know that you would and I don't know that nvidia needs you to The nano boards the jets and boards seem seem to be popular within this This area and and I don't expect that if you're not involved in in robotics that that you would know about them That said I think you're hitting on a great point Which is that nvidia is trying to diversify its offerings through autonomous cars through data centers, uh, you know Their big business is still selling you a graphics card though and uh, and and and that's not going to change But this is an example that hey nvidia is doing more than just graphics cards indeed In another example that vr is for business hp launched the reverb virtual reality headset professional edition aimed at engineering architecture education and entertainment entertainment being amusement parks style rides and such the reverb has a resolution of 2160 pixels times 20160 pixels per eye at 90 hertz refresh rate and 114 degree field of view It comes with pre-installed bluetooth controller that pairs with the headset not with the pc the headsets face rests Face rest uses a wipe clean Leather like material. Is it supposed to be pleather or is it leather? It's pleather like isn't it just leather? Yeah, I think I get what you're saying okay Leather is like not an actual thing The the reverb the reverb arrives late april for 649 bucks a consumer version will cost 599 bucks Yeah, so this really is just another brick in that wall. We've been telling you about that uh vr for business Uh, not not that it's not for gaming But the successful place that companies are targeting when they come out with their new headsets is business and if you're doing architecture Or engineering design that 2160 by 2160 per eye resolution is important Because the finer the detail you can see the better in those kinds of situations Yeah, even though there is a consumer version available for the $50 less This definitely seems like an enterprise product to me Based on the price and and and what it's good for Well, I mean the the consumer vr headsets are around those prices for the some of the versions so it could be Used in that way as well, but definitely Consumer uses for vr are mostly games and even that can be iffy sometimes So consumer hasn't taken consumer vr hasn't really taken off outside of games. So yeah in that case It's probably for professional uses um Pleather is generally made from polyurethane. So I guess if it's pleather like it feels like pleather, but it might not be made from polyurethane Maybe maybe it's made of leather. Yeah, exactly. That's where I would like turns out actually just left Well, I've got some good news for people who hate auto play videos mozilla released version 66 of the firefox browser Which mutes autoplay audio and video alike Although you can whitelist sites that you want to autoplay and you say that it's okay if they do firefox is also introducing Scroll anchoring that keeps your place on a website from jumping around When slow loading ads tend to pop up and then all of a sudden you're like, where am I that happens to me all the time? So I'm very into this. There's also the ability to search within multiple tabs There's better search in private browsing mode. There's improved and clear security warnings and web authentication support for windows Hello, and I think I might go back to firefox at this point because mozilla has been on a tear Yeah, uh firefox getting better and better. Uh, yeah, uh, not not that it was ever bad, but they've been really compelling Uh, the send file System that they they launched the other day, which isn't even browser dependent Is pretty great, but yeah that just that thing about scroll anchoring. I mean autoplay bugs me a little bit So that's cool, but man, uh scroll anchoring Not skru l l but sk c r o l l. Oh, yeah Yeah, I mean and if you if you say well, that never happens to me. Well I salute you because it happens to me 100 times a day And it's probably because I have so many tabs up because we read a lot of news articles But man venture beats got a bone to pick with you It always gets me when I'm trying to click on something and it looks fine as my and as my finger is descending towards my phone It finally jumps and then I hit the ad like that's right Tin foil hat on it feels like they're doing it on purpose. So anyway, I like Yeah, very clever. Yeah Mm-hmm. Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com. All right. Let's talk about google stadia Google game developers conference announced that their streaming service will be called google stadia It'll run on pretty much everything pc's phones chromecast Etc. Uh, there will be select pc games available. They didn't tell us which ones. We'll talk about that in a bit You can use the device controls on your laptop on your phone or you can get an external controller and google's going to make one of those YouTube will have a play now button that'll allow you to launch a game right from a youtube So if you're watching a creator play you can tap that button and start playing yourself There'll even be some features To let you join the game that that particular creator is playing if it's something like a fortnight situation potentially There's also simultaneous 4k 60 frame per second streams So you can get a 4k 60 frame per second stream But you can also send a separate one so it doesn't impact your your gameplay to youtube To stream or save the game that you're playing So there's a lot of stuff around creators here. They also say they're working on 8k 120 frame per second support And they targeted developers a lot unity unreal middleware like havoc are all going to be compatible with the system and There's good. They promise full craft platform play in other words if the other platforms cooperate They'll they'll cooperate with them And stadia games are going to be created in-house if you're wondering why jade raidman joined google It's because she's going to be in charge of stadia games and entertainment the in-house studio. All right That's that's the the key announcements that we got here patrick and I know I skimped on this You were paying close attention to this announcement. What did you think? um, so so many things tom so many things but I think the first thing to To set straight with everyone listening is i'm sure a lot of people still don't believe That game streaming can work because latency is so important. Of course, you need the the decent connection A pretty good connection. But if you do have one it does work. Let me Dispel the notion that it doesn't or that it won't work for gamers for 99 percent of the cases It works and it works almost in this in Indistinguishably from a local game again, if you have other services and we We it would be weird if google suddenly just didn't do it as well as the services you've tried Exactly. Yes, especially since Server location is so important and expertise, of course And they made a big deal out of the the fact that they have a ton of servers everywhere So that's the first thing it works might not work for everyone But when you're in the right conditions and many people are it does work. So that's the the most important aspect The other thing that I noted it almost goes beyond the idea that game streaming works because we've been familiarizing with that idea for a long time and goes into how is google Making it a google type service by taking advantage of the fact that it's now Possible to play around with it Like they have with so many other products like maps and email and so many other things And they're doing some interesting things like The fact that you can stream Everything to to the the user including maybe Images from teammates There's things to be done there like the the they Call it a split screen multiplayer, which can be pushed way further than actual screen split screen multiplayer We've had in games before There's a thing they call state share which Shares a state of the game, which means the state of the world you're playing in the player's position The inventory through a url Which is an interesting idea. There's things like you can be watching a video on youtube And you click a button that says play now and within five to ten seconds You are playing the game. You were watching being reviewed on youtube. So They are Creating a platform, which is essentially what i've been talking about with what's happening with microsoft A virtual console a platform that exists everywhere, but they're putting their Specific spin on it and and taking Taking advantage of the fact that it's now a virtual platform in interesting ways Yeah, they have a custom gpu from amd That that they're using for this They talked a lot about the the data center power, which is no surprise. I mean google of course one of the greatest cloud providers of services worldwide It's no shock that they have some cloud power to draw on so microsoft wants to do this with azure Amazon may be wanting to do it. It looks like with aws. Why wouldn't google it do it with their own in-house expertise? So i have no doubt that this is going to work Patrick and and there's some really interesting things you can do they they seem to be really encouraging like developers develop your game for stadia It's not just going to be we'll take a pc game and stream it to people We want to want to run games directly on our platform, which is an interesting Take on this it also seems to illuminate to me the fact that Earlier i called this a description not an announcement because they said it would launch this year They didn't say Anything about what games would launch and they didn't tell us how they would charge for it Yeah, i think you're being a little bit unfair It is still an announcement, but i get your point They there are i think for those services We have seen streaming services before and the reason they failed wasn't necessarily the technical aspect which google and others have Have perfected now after 10 years of uh that technology existing But it was more the commercial offering that was problematic and we have no idea about what what they're doing there We know that it's a new platform as you said they can't really you need to work the developers are going to need to do some work to port The their games to that new platform. It's easier than to port on in other cases, but they still need to do it It's not running pc games So that is important, but we also don't know are we just going to have Games to buy like we do on any other platform Is there going to be a subscription service which has been in the air for for a while in in the gaming industry as in many other industries? And they kind of hinted at the fact that Any where you are you can click a button and you are on the store and buy the game and start playing it Which would seem you can at the very least buy some games but if that's the case you get into the issue of The chicken and egg how many games do you have and how expensive are they and and The the one thing I would say There is no barrier to entry. So even if you do need to buy the games It's not like we are stuck in that traditional idea of You need the hardware in order to get the game and this is why Getting a lot of games on your platform to get people to buy the hardware is important And you develop your kind of wall garden that way in this case You don't need to buy the hardware. So it doesn't necessarily even matter that you have a lot of games or not If you're interested in that game you buy it and anything can play it So you don't need to buy a PlayStation or a bv a bvpc or anything So they definitely have a lot of advantages But it still wouldn't hurt to know exactly what's happening and who is gonna You know, how what are the benefits the developers are going to get how much they're how much of a take they're going to Take from from the retail price, etc, etc And we don't want you I want to go back to that point about, you know, you you said well, you'll have to port your game That could be a big barrier We think about these game streaming services a lot of times as the the streaming service just needs to license it They're just going to run it like shadow just runs it on a pc. They don't need to port it They don't need to do anything. They're just running it off a pc. That could have been what google did That's not what they're doing Uh, they're doing something more interesting Which which is why they are required to create an in-house studio I think to create some some compelling games to make people come to this platform Because I don't think they're going to have every game because the games have to run on stadia They don't just run on a pc Uh, and and they had you know, I id they're talking about doom So they they're going to have some more partners on board. I'm sure I think it's one of the reasons We didn't get a lot of details on how the service works Is because they're waiting to sign up more developers I assume google io where they said they would have more details about this might have some announcements about that Maybe give us some more details about how this subscription is going to work But just when you were describing it now it started to sound to me like youtube before youtube The idea that anyone would just host whatever video you want for free Kind of sounded ridiculous because that's costly But what did google do they said or what did youtube do and then google do when they bought youtube they said We can monetize that through ads So it will be worth it for us to provide this for free. Maybe that's what they're going to do here And just say like developers may pay for access Otherwise it'll be like a youtube for playing games where we'll have some advertisement run and monetize it that way I think it would be more difficult for games. They're usually a more expensive You know game cost 50 to 60 dollars A full price game So that I think it would be a little bit more difficult although you play a game a lot longer than you watch a video So possibly that being said to get back to the idea that Game developers are going to have to port their games to this service The reason you're hesitant usually To port your game on a service and that chicken and egg issue Is that you have a restricted user base when a new platform launches If you are developing a game on switch Then you need to to know the install base of switch users Because if it's only a couple of million, maybe it's not worth it in this case The the destruction of the friction for users means that you don't even really need to count the user base of Stadia It's just everyone who has a pc and who might be interested of course in this service a pc or a tv or chromecast or etc etc So I think the dynamic there is a little bit different than what we're used to and it's going to take some time to adjust Our way of looking at this enough thinking about this because it changes the the paradigm in a sense well There's lots to think about that thoughts keep occurring to me just as we talk Including the idea of like well, what if there's a premium service that gives you early access to games? But there's a free service when you're logged into google that gives you some access because you want that frictionlessness And they can gather data for it. So I don't know what do we get we got to keep we got to keep thinking patrick Until they finally tell us either a google i o or maybe later. I don't know Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit And if you see anything about stadia or anything that google is doing throw it in the subreddit Vote it up or down We might talk about it on a future show submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Thanks to everybody who participates in our show in your way Whatever way you choose and also thanks to patrick feija for being with us today patrick. We missed you What have you been? Oh Thank you. 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Yeah, yeah I mean at the very least it could be like play for free for the first hour of the game That would be So easy to put together There's a time limit on it I I have a feeling they're gonna basically let you play free Games but not not recent AAA releases something like from three years back where it's free to play like money on that though Well, the whole idea is to get them hooked on the fact that they can play right you want you So you give them a free game, but if you want to play something new a newer game You're gonna have to pay and so by it's like giving you someone a free vid movie to rent Right like oh, I get to watch You know iron man three or you know the avengers and they will monetize this with ads somehow I don't think they're gonna interrupt your gameplay with it, but there's gonna Try that before like, you know, you imagine like a racing game where they can sell ads based on the you know The game billboards as you drive through like, you know Yeah, that has It's not gonna be I don't think I don't be one solution. I think it's I don't think they're gonna try everything I think there are so many different possibilities. They have to decide on a strategy They can't go at it like half I think they know what that strategy is. They just don't want to announce it until they've gotten all of their partners on board I agree. Yeah Uh, we got uh google stadia soon tm Google's here to stadia and then I I offered the alternate gaming is here to stadia um Google teaches us the plural of stadium I like it You like that one. Yeah, uh, let's see Play what you want when you want on whatever device you want um Google stadia gaming on live online Yeah, okay google. Let's play That's funny I think it should say stadia I'm good with um Ask your gamer if stadia is right for you Ask your gamer if stadia is right for you Kind of like that ask google if stadia is right for you Because I'm sorry it sounds the tune of activia play stadia It just sounds like a drug It's a spattin I go stadia I think I want to go with ask google if stadia is right for you. Perfect. Yeah, that's good Uh, if you experience more than four hours of gameplay If you experience more than four hours of unpredictability Play stadia Log on Extreme rates watch 120 frames per second. That's really ambitious 120 frames per second like on a I'll be impressed if they can reach 60 30 I believe they can do 60 um I've been getting 60 so I didn't go into that but you know, I've talked about Playing shadow pc from finland and it being workable I've played it in france and Not only does it play 60 frames flawlessly But the lag as I was saying is imperceptible It is uh when you're closer to your uh data center I think they did an update a few months ago and I hadn't played it in france and It it honestly, I think most people would not make the you know notice the difference between a game played locally And and it played like this. So 60 frames per second roger Um, it's not oh, that would be impressive. It already works. No, I'm not saying that it doesn't work If you're gonna roll it out it needs that you need to have the same quality of service across the board not just people who are located closer to the data center I mean like well, they have like 7 000 data centers How did they call them edge points in the world? I think if anyone that's why you know people have been saying myself included if anyone can do it It's going to be google or amazon or or microsoft Because that's the key element of these kinds of services And they already have that infrastructure So I I'm not very worried. Sure. There are going to be places where you you don't get the same quality of service but And and remember we're talking about chateau pc here, which is a startup that started what three four years ago um And they've achieved incredible things. I have no doubt google is going to Blow them out of the water in the easier problem for google to solve than shadow to solve is what you Yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean I think it is interesting that even to roger's point even google is like we'd like to do 8k 120 frames per second But we're not going to promise you that just now Because that's really hard But I don't I don't have any doubt that they could do it Well, once they have the technology in place. It's just a matter of the Computer power and bandwidth. Yeah the bandwidth on the on your end is probably a bigger concern than whether google can deliver And that's that's kind of what I was alluding to it's less of a less that google isn't capable of doing ensuring that People have have a have a road to your front door Well, yeah, I mean, but that's that's not under google's control google's could easily say look if you have a gigabit fiber You're not going to have a problem, but what I didn't see them say is what the minimum is here I think that that's that's an interesting. Yeah again for for um For shadow to get like 60 fps Uh 1080p. I think you you should have about 30 megabits, which again is not unattainable, you know, I think when they first started five Four years ago. It was a lot less people But now you have a lot of people who do have fiber. So I think it's We're looking at this with the mindset of five years ago and thinking, uh, so few people have fiber Sure, maybe maybe it's half of the the people but it's a lot of people And and don't get us wrong person out there in the countryside like my sister. We know That's not you and and you're not gonna get 30 megabits per second anytime soon Uh, and that sucks especially in the us speaking worldwide Uh of the area, you know, I guess speaking worldwide. It's even worse because you know almost half the planet doesn't even have connectivity, but um Um But for the places that have the internet the majority of people have internet probably have access to a 25 or 30 megabits per second Not everybody but the majority Uh beat master makes a good point netflix, uh 4k netflix uhd is uh requires around 25 to 30 megabits per second so We we did a uh flashback episode of cord killers where we looked back At stories from eight years ago in the cord cutting space and one of them was that netflix's new instant play Couldn't catch on because nobody has enough bandwidth to stream videos without hitting their caps This is this is a constant refrain when new services come along and it's just never it turns out to be the gating factor It usually is something else Well, I mean Netflix out the gate initially started with a lot of that by co-locating servers with content on it to be closer to Yeah, but but forgetting that like people saying I don't have enough bandwidth in my house to do this Also, I'll hit my data cap had nothing to do with where netflix was co-locating their servers Well, I think data caps is an eminently american issue No, just There are plenty of places that have data caps in the world Don't don't make it just us. I'm sure. Yes. No, I'm sure In fantasy finland where the bandwidth Out of the trees if we're talking about like wired internet like isp is not mobile I am pretty sure the entirety of Europe doesn't have it's from pine trees in finland I was skipping over that but But I I might be wrong, but in western countries. I don't think many do have Oh, right australia. No, I was talking about civilized countries Oh Even in the u.s. They're not as widespread as they used to be what what what's weird about the u.s Is if you're in a region with them usually you can't get around them, right? Right And so you feel like well There's no one I know how it doesn't have caps because you live in a city where they only have caps But then other places don't have caps. You don't even think about it And on if you're really into it you can just get a business account which never I've caps Oh, yeah, so it's really about It's really about competition. I suppose Yeah, and competition is actually getting better very slowly, but is it some hope for that? Yeah It's not it's not it's far from solved but I think 5g is going to help spur that along what's happening in a lot of places including parts of the u.s Is people are just like, you know what I don't want to pay for wired anymore. I'll just have internet on my phone Hmm because I can get an unlimited unlimited plan from my phone not have to worry about it So you get it's easier to get unlimited for your phone than in some place. Yeah Oh, wow It depends. It's always it's it's so regional too. It also depends on what you have to do I mean, yeah, I would do that but I can't do that with dts. There's no way You might be able to with 5g It's possible Then there's the whole thing about tethering and whether your tethering is unlimited or whether it's right. Yeah, exactly But I guess the the my point being Anytime a new service comes along people always raise the idea that the isps will be the thing that kills it and it never happens Yeah, not that the isps are are never problematic But the the isps never are the thing that stops a service like this from succeeding Yeah, you know why because they actually do have the capacity And they just want to sell it more more expensive They start to realize that wow if we stop people from using our connections, they might stop subscribing to them Yeah, exactly. It's like how can we milk as much as off the situation in the us drives me crazy It really is ridiculous Well, tom and roger and I will be in finland, uh, in about 48 hours So, uh, you know prepare the dinner Prepare the mexican food We will we'll we'll test some speeds I'm saying all of this but here in the countryside. I only have 200 250 really megabits. Let's say 200 So is it synchronous? Yes. Okay. Are they synchronous? Yeah So, I mean, yeah, I do have We do have 4g though, uh without caps which in france, there is caps on on mobile But here it's um, it's easy to get cheap plans without caps Uh that work pretty well. I think I must be around 20 or 30 megabits Do you have 5ge though? I do not which is probably a good thing. We get that from AT&T here It's a 4g that's called 5g but yes, I know Yeah Um, all right. I'm going to leave Well, patrick fine. Just go to sleep. Go go sleep I'm going to Um, and I didn't mention mvgb today because we're between, you know, the next one is a bit far But but we will definitely dive into that in mvgb as well, sir daily technician.com slash mvgb folks for the video game Of course I will be back next week Bye everyone Out there by chat room Bye And uh, we're going to say bye to our video. Thanks for watching audio folks stick around there may not be pet