 gotten started, we should talk a little bit about the space. Well, I'll start by saying, so I'm sitting at OER19, which Meredith and Lauren will present on. I will talk about it on a reclaim today, tomorrow. And I'm kind of watching the slack of reclaim hosting and thinking, like, Tim's going to be, he's kind of him and Judith, or Holdup, and Fredericksburg. He's going to be pulling his hair out there. It's 24-7 support. And then we start seeing these missives from Virginia, whereas work is happening, and we're getting to kind of realize what we had talked about in May of 2017, or I don't know when it was. I think it was then. I think it was June 2017, when co-work first opened, that we had talked about turning the space you're in now into, basically, a robot-driven video store. And there's an article. I've linked it before. I'll link to it in the comments or whatever of this video after it gets published. But there's an article. Lindley Estes, who used to cover us when we were working Mary Washington, because she was on the university beat, she was still writing for the Fredericksburg newspaper, The Freelance Star. And she came to do an interview about the co-working space. And we had just renovated the co-work side. This wall was just like storage space or whatever. It was nothing. And we were really mostly just there to talk about co-work as an extension of an Office for Reclaim hosting, but also a co-working space. Talked a little bit about building on the vision that Fred X and the Foundry had started in terms of that. And then I remember thinking, you start going off about, and we also want a makerspace, and we want a 3D printer, but then we really want to start a VHS store that's robot-driven. And I'm thinking, she's not going to write about this. Please tell me she's not going to. He's just like, whatever. I'm just rolling my eyes. He's smoking crack again in Italy. You got to get in the video, though. You got to get in the frame. You got to change it if you can't see it. And I want to. I'll back the camera up a little bit. Because you're on fire. OK, again, a little bit to the right so we can see you. Look, look, look. I thought this was more widescreen than it was. How about now? You got me in. Yeah, so I remember they like, yeah, and Jim's got his ideas too or whatever, but really the co-working space. And she puts out this article, and sure enough, and the last paragraph is dedicated to like, and they also have visions of opening a VHS store that will be driven by a robot from Italy. And I'm thinking, oh my god, I can't believe she really wrote all of that stuff. That's insane. That's like the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard of. And then here I am talking. And then in the last week, you've made more strides in getting the, what would we call like a fully automated reclaim video? I mean, I think that was the idea, right? Like the idea we had was that you could basically run reclaim video from a robot. Yeah, well, and we were trying to think of the space not only as sort of this museum exhibit or whatever, but really as sort of an art space, right? A space where people could interact with it. And obviously, that's not going to work if you have to have someone that's got to open and close it all the time. But with these glass windows and everything, the idea was, are there ways in which people could interact it on the web, given that we are reclaim hosting, and we do so much in the digital anyway? And so, and obviously with you being in Italy, that spurs it as well, because you're like, hey, I want to be able to run the space from Italy, and why couldn't we have other people run it from elsewhere too? And so I feel like that was in the back of our mind. But we've actually had this space, which I'll turn the camera around real quick. I mean, I think we've done some videos in the space before, so people can kind of see everything that's going on. But we've got all the tapes over there. We actually recently moved the Pac-Man into there. So there's Pac-Man over there, which our employees, Andrew, and Matt, love having Matt in the space now. We've got our own little digital signage, which is still the OER19 poster at the moment, and more tapes. And then of course, back to the TV and sort of the front desk area. But we've had this space for like a year now. And it was only, I feel like what spurred all of it was this, it was the robot, right? I mean, we had talked about the robot forever. And they're way too expensive to justify a purchase. They just really are. I think I imagine we joked around that probably a lot of universities probably have decent storage closets because it's the perfect kind of like, oh, we need to get 10 of them. And then you realize like, I don't know if it's actually useful or not or whatever. But we were like, we have a lot of uses for that. And we do. And we did, absolutely. But there was too expensive. And then the other day, I was looking on eBay and I found one for a steal of a deal. And I said, let's actually do this. And so we got the robot. We surprised our employees with it. And so like, hey, we've got the robot now. But I feel like that actually is what spurred like, okay, now that you can move around in the space and interact with us digitally like that, how can the rest of the space start to become automated so that you really could have that vision of running the space remotely? And I think this points back to what I think is one of the coolest things about what you're doing. And I stress to you, is the idea that when we left Mary Washington in 2014, 2015, one of the things I think we were walking away from a little bit sadly was this space called the incubator classroom. And for about a month or two, we had started playing with ways of imagining video remotely in this space and kind of like hacking into the Crestron system. Even like early on, not doing what they had done at BYU with the API stuff that we heard about in January. And that's another kind of discussion we should maybe have at some other point. But the basic idea was, how do we make this incubator classroom a kind of experimental space to sort of imagine how you could use video and telepresence on the cheap because a lot of the Crestron stuff was overdone. And in fact, as institutionals will, like there's most of what's money invested in it, but you're really hands are tied based on the proprietary system you're using. So you really started to get in there for a month or two and hack around and build some cool options when Paul and I were teaching the internet course. But we left and so that kind of was foreshortened. But this kind of is, while we returned to the makerspace a little bit, we have our own office. Like this is a return to the incubator classroom in the form of a video store. And as you've been working this last week, that's all I've been thinking about is like we're kind of also finally aligning some of those experiments that we wanted to do. And obviously there's a lot of love and kind of origins with this stuff back to DS106. The Karaoke, DS106 TV, DS106 radio, I mean, you name it, the media is rich. So I guess I was really just looking from abroad longingly at all you were doing to kind of realize some of that. So let me stop kind of waxing about it and why don't you take us through some of what you've accomplished over the last week in terms of automating the space. I talked about it with several people in Ireland. They probably were like, will you shut up already about it? But I'd like to get it formalized so you can take me through all of the kind of things you've done in the last week or so. Absolutely. So if you wanna roll around here and I'll actually move the camera a little bit to get a wider view of the space. So the first thing I guess I should mention is over here. So this is the light switch. And one of the things with the smart home automation, I don't know if you wanna call it revolution or whatever, but there's so many devices out there. And they've only recently started playing very nicely together, I think, in different ways. And a lot of that is because now you have hubs for better or worse, people like Amazon and Alexa are creating these hubs that allow you to connect a lot of the different brands together. And before it was like, you had to buy all of one brand and they might not offer a light switch, but they do have outlets or something or vice versa. And now it's sort of, you can kind of mix and match the brands and that doesn't matter as much because you can still tie it all together with something like Amazon. So there's a couple of things that we got in here. First was the light switch and the lights. Maybe personal space. And, yeah, we've decided that. Hey, everybody, like and subscribe for more. Are you feeling emasculated? You gotta move yourself higher. I do. Yeah. You don't like towering over you. No, it's ET, I'm nervous. I'm doing it. ET. Yeah, we've decided the robot has no sense of personal space, if you can't tell already. But we put a WiIMO light switch, WiIMO WEMO, this light switch in here. And this one was actually a bear to get in because I actually had to run new electrical wiring. You know, it kind of gets technical, but they require a neutral wire that we didn't have in here because the wiring was kind of old as is the building. But we got this working. WiIMO stands for wiring E-MO. It might, it actually might. It still functions as a light switch, but that was one of the first things that we've tied in to Amazon. And we've got, right over here, you can kind of see it. I've got tucked away in a corner there next to the alien and the Atari. I've got an Amazon Echo Dot. Forget all the different names of the devices. So we've got an Echo Dot in there. And so you can say something as simple as- So that's a specific Amazon Alexa. Exactly, yeah. And it's just, it's a very small one, almost a hockey puck size. And so you can say, Alexa, turn off the lights. And the lights turn off. Ooh, and it's fun. It's kind of magical in it. And what's really nice is you can do it from the robot too. And I found that, like, it's really good at picking that up. Your audio is not on on the robot so that we don't have any Echo feed. But I've tested this from my living room. I can come in here and say, you know, Alexa, turn on the lights. And it'll turn all the lights on. As a robot. As the robot running through here or whatever. I can unlock the doors, which may be a good thing in terms of security. Cause I don't know if a robot can defend itself yet. At least not this one. We'd have to add an attachment. While it can't defend itself, it can't get too hurt either. Yeah, this is true. And so we've got that. The other thing that we've added, and these are really nice, are smart outlets. And smart outlets don't, you know, unlike the light switch, which has sort of a single purpose, a smart outlet. And I'll take the camera over here. So you can see one of them right down here. And kind of get a look at it. That white box there is a WiIMO smart outlet. And the idea behind these. We just focused on a little bit more for our viewers. Oh, do I? For our viewing audience. Hard to get. I mean, that's probably one person it's at. But look at that. Yeah, that's better. Is that good? Yep. So that's smart outlet. That's basically a white box. It's still got a power on and off. It's kind of like a surge protector. But the difference is, again, it's internet connected. So you can tell it to turn itself on or off. So this one is a little bit more multifunction. I think I started out just having it connected to the Pac-Man. But then I realized you could plug them into a surge protector and everything plugged into it would all be connected. And so we've got, right now, we've got one surge protector that's got the Pac-Man and this, whatever you want to call it, digital signage, the LCD display. That's on one surge protector. And then we have another outlet over behind the TV that controls all of the audio visuals. And so those, instead of giving it sort of a single command, I decided to tie everything together. So now I've got like one single command where, of course, everything's turned on right now. And so I would say, Alexa, turn off reclaim video. And so the power to everything goes off and then the lights should turn off here in a second, unless we've confused it. There we go. There we go. And so that sort of shuts down the entire space. And so that's just grouping things in Amazon's space there. You can give it groups and say, I want these outlets. I want this light. I want everything to be connected with a single grouping. And so then you can say, Alexa, turn on reclaim video and everything will turn on. It's sort of a one-stop shop for you to get the space open and the lights turn on and the devices turn on and everything kind of, you know, bam, bam, bam. And I'll be honest with you, I haven't really gotten into the voice activated stuff all that much. I think it's kind of gimmicky a lot of times. You know, I don't talk to Siri. I don't have an echo in my house and don't really care to have one. But this is actually kind of a time saving thing. Like in many ways, even for the employees that are working in this space now, all they really have to do is unlock the door and then with a single command they can turn everything on. So that's cool. I can see the Raspberry Pi behind you turning on the digital signage, right? And I'm the Pac-Man I can see from my computer, from my robot angle that that's on. And now let's turn back, let's go back words. If I talk, yeah, talk more about maybe the TV, at least the old school TV in here. Now one thing, so then of course the next logical extension to this is how do you play movies in the space, right? So we can turn everything on. And actually one of the issues I found with the smart outlets was that this TV is so old that you have to press a button on it. And of course, if you don't have hands, like with your robot, you can't press that button to actually turn it on, giving it powers not enough. And in fact, sometimes when you turn it on it starts on channel two and you have to press the button to get it to channel three. It doesn't have a remote. So yeah, it can be kind of difficult with the TV. So for now we've been leaving the TV on. And similarly in an analog world, you're not gonna be able to actually physically put tapes in. You're not gonna be able to pull a laser disc out, put it into a player and do stuff like that. So we had to figure out a better way for that. And what I was thinking about and started playing around with last week as well, is sort of a media server. There's this piece of software that probably doesn't come up on the stream, I don't think, but there's a piece of software called Plex. You can see it on the screen. Can you? And this goes back to experiments you were doing when we were at Reclaim, when we were at DTLT or UMW in like 2013, 2012. Yeah, we had, we were playing with WALSA at the time and other media server software. So I realized I just had your video on the entire time it was locked on your video. So people probably only saw a thumbnail of the rest of the stuff, but that's okay. But now it's switching back and forth. So you can kinda see it's got a screensaver up right now, but Plex is a really nice and actually free piece of software, they have some paid options for accounts that'll give you more streaming and personalized options, live TV and do some other additional stuff. But the actual server software and just putting it on devices is totally free. And you essentially, you need a computer that is gonna be your media server. In our case, we have a Mac Mini over in the conference room. And so we took the Mac Mini in the conference room, we installed the software on it and I just started loading some videos on there. To start, I added a bunch of YouTube videos from the old series, Computer Chronicles. So those are all up on archive.org but they also have a YouTube channel and those are all on there. So I downloaded all of those, all 480 of them and loaded those up into there. But then I've even started getting into archiving some movies as well and trying to turn those into digital and getting those up in there. So eventually the goal would be that we have a digital copy of a lot of what's in the space. Maybe not every video who knows, it depends on how easy we can make that process because usually when converting analog to digital, the movie's gotta be watched. You've gotta go from the start to finish and start and stop the recording. So that'll be time intensive. But we started getting some movies up there, loading them into the media server and then what's actually running this, let me see if I can just tuck it out from behind here so you can see, it's actually another Raspberry Pi. So it's a... Yep, I see it. A little bit too tight. You can kinda see it right behind here. It's just a black little box here. It's a Raspberry Pi and it's being converted from HDMI to RCA that then gets fed into our switcher here so that an RCA signal can go into an old TV like this. So pretty much any HDMI input, we had already figured out how we could get that on the TV and we've played around with that. We've had fun with the Apple TV bringing up like a conference session up on here. So we've had people on the TV for interviews and stuff. So we already knew how to do that. And so I got Plex up on here and the Raspberry Pi is just, it's essentially like an Amazon Fire TV or any one of those embedded players. It boots up, it boots right into the media software and starts running Plex. And so that's always running as well and it's on there. But again, I don't have necessarily any remote and we've still been trying to figure out options for you to play remotely. But one of them is yet again, there is an Amazon Alexa skill for the Plex media player. And so you can actually, oh, stop. See, as soon as I say that word, she starts firing up and talking to me, but try not to confuse her. But so we can actually create voice commands that will actually turn videos on here. And so let me try out one just to say, you would say something along the lines of Alexa tell Plex to play the fly. It's thinking here. Oh, awesome. Watch it's thinking. Oh, I didn't catch it. Alexa, tell Plex to play the fly. Sad. Let's see, the demo's failing for me. In the past, what has worked is it is actually fired up a video and it would play up here on the TV. Let's go look at that connection to see, but essentially the idea would be, you could tell Alexa to play it, or ideally we still need to figure out. And one of the things that I've actually done when I've worked on it remotely, and it gets a little complicated, but if you're on the same network, it's very easy to send a video to another player on the same network. And so I've played around with having a VPN that I can log into, so that I'm essentially on the co-work network when I'm in my living room or something like that. And at that point, I can control Spotify, I can send videos to it. It's as if I'm in the office in terms of my internet connection. And so that's one way at it. Let me ask you this. So is the media, is Plex the media server? What we're doing is we're taking, we're gonna rip like the fly, escape from New York war games, the three we already had in our whole library, so that you could go in there and say play. And like you said, Alexa tell Plex to play escape from New York. And what we have is that will come up and play as a video version, as again, like the video rip of the VHS. And then at that point, it will come on and you can watch it there. That's right. Or remotely from this camera, because the other thing is, you have basically built a camera, there's a camera in Reclaim Video that allows people who are coming in online to reclaimvideo.com slash live to see basically what's happening in the space. Yeah, that's this Nest camera that's over here. And if you go to reclaimvideo.com slash live, that's always streaming 24 seven. And so that shows up in there. And I just realized, of course, my phone is connected to our wireless network. So I can pull up the Plex app on my phone here and then I choose the player that I wanna use, which is this TV, and I hit play for the fly and it'll start playing in here. So cool. So from my phone. If I VPN in, if I VPN to, I could do it from my phone or from my computer. Absolutely. Yeah, so that's gonna start playing here. And the other thing, I kind of had fun with it last night. Believe it or not, I had never seen the fly. And so last night I decided my TV has a Plex app on it. It's a smart TV Visio and it's got the Plex app on it. And so I decided to pull up the Plex app on there and there was our entire library and I could just watch a video from our library from my house, you know, without any issue. Were you VPN in or is it just? Plex will send it remotely. So as long as you're logged into the same account that the media server is connected to, it's all interconnected, you don't have to use a VPN at all. I could be on a cell phone connection and I could watch a video from our media server. So that's the original idea of Plex is that you've got a media server that you can access from any device, anywhere, the VPNs only to be able to then communicate to devices on the same network to send the video signal. But, well, yeah, that's- It's Rohnenberg, that is magic. Isn't that cool? So now it's playing that video in there and it's tied into the audio system. It's a little quiet now and this of course is another thing. I found that the other day it was running so quiet and I couldn't turn the volume up. So there's a knob back here. So we have to talk, we talked about this, we have to talk to Grant Potter about how to get, how it enabled to us to remotely control the audio. Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah. And the other thing is, you know, you could have the volume all the way up in the room. I'll pause that. You could have the volume all the way up in the room and then you can turn it down on the player remotely and so that would be one way at it. But yeah, it's still like, we're still figuring those things out and I think that's one of the things is like, as you get so automated, you're like, oh my gosh, I can do everything. And then you're like, except I can't touch that one thing right there. I need to turn that knob. I need to push that button. And you're like, oh, I guess I'll go into the office or tomorrow I'll work on that piece of it. So, so trying to figure that out. That's what's really kind of cool, like, because I mean, you have been just iterating out, having fun, playing with this stuff for the last week. I mean, this, let's just be clear. Like, you figured this out, you know, we were at OER 19, it started Wednesday and I think you started playing with this Monday and it's what now? Like it's a week later, right? It's literally like, you've been knocking this out. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. And then like you said, it goes back to having a space for experimentation with this kind of stuff, which, you know, that's always been my vibe. It's what I love to do. I love to tinker. I love to play around with this kind of stuff. And this is kind of put it in a frame that's really fun. And really interesting, I think, because eventually what you have is a space full of nostalgic vintage technology, you know, and you're really pushing the limits of what you can do to the point where like, I mean, most people I talk to, they're comfortable with smart TVs and all those guys that they had never seen an iPad robot and be able to talk to someone inibili, you know, face-to-face like this. So, you know, much less be able to live stream and remotely control a room. It was cool too, because Escape from New York, you ripped that and that was a laser disk. So you could see from the rip that it had the play and the laser disk kind of flipping around and like it reproduces that experience through that TV in this space. And one of the things we talked about, and this was with Michael Branson Smith when he was making the website and you and I and, you know, many of us have discussed this. So we get it to be somewhat smart, right? Like we could turn on the TV, we can control volume, people can come and watch remotely. We have Xander and Matt, you know, basically on task, you know, ripping parts of our collection, we wanna be up there, but then ultimately if we can ever, if it even things we archive, everything we have a reclaimed video as a rip and then that's on Plex. And then the idea being like, okay, well then how do we build a community around these films and this stuff through an experience of an online, and I don't know what that looks like and I don't wanna pretend I do, but like it does open up room, like what this all does is opens up space for connecting around these things, right? I had a fun experience the other day when I was like, okay, I'm gonna completely remotely turn the space on, I'm gonna play a video. And then one of the things that the robot allows is that you can send a link to people and have them on audio conference and you can hear them, you can't see them. So it's not quite like a hangout, you can only hear them, but they can see what the robot sees. And a good friend and colleague of ours, Tim Clark at Moolenburg College, he joined me in there and he was just like, oh my God, this is amazing. He was just like, this is the future, this is awesome. And I was able to give him a tour of the space from the robot and we put a movie on and watched it together for a little bit and I was doing all of that from my living room and he was in Pennsylvania and it was all being streamed out to the web live. And I know like my parents and a couple others said that they ended up watching the live stream and saw us talking and doing all of that. And it was just a really interesting experience. And I think you're right, there's some, if we can find a way to have those shared experiences around film, when we played around with the idea of DS106 TV, one of the things we did was sort of almost like Mystery Science Theater 3000 style, right? Like you would watch some hokey B movie and you were laughing and drinking and playing and everybody was talking while the movie was going on. And if you can recreate that in a digital form, I think there's something really interesting there about connecting over media like that. So there's other practical things too, like the archiving stuff, some of the devices I'm using, it's actually came out of the experimentation of wanting to understand how we can archive our conference presentations in June. And so a lot of the devices that I have to do that are because I've been trying to experiment with that so that we can set up very easy ability for folks to record the presentations that are happening at Domain's 19. So, I think a lot of stuff plays around it. I've always found that with your experimentation over the years that you've always come back to it in some fashion. None of it was ever lost. Like it was always like, even all the stuff you're doing here, like it all kind of is put away somewhere. And then when we have an idea and then we follow it up, it seems like so much comes back. And so much of the things, like it's deja vu, right? Like so many of the things that we thought we were doing like in 2011 and 12 and that would be that they're coming back and like the incubator classroom, that DS106 TV experiments, the Plex server, like, you know, video games, I guess, okay, the arcade thing is somewhat new, but even that, like is an avenue to kind of materialize all the stuff we've been talking about, right? Like video game culture right now and how so much of that is premised and learning about that is premised on ripping this stuff and streaming this stuff and capturing what you play on your screen. So- Absolutely, yeah. It's really cool. Yeah, like I was telling, you know, everybody in Slack we were talking the other day and I said really the whole reason that being able to live stream stuff has gotten easier and that there's a lot more hardware devices out there to record and stream and do all this is all because of the gaming community and because of places like Twitch that are like monetizing on top of this. There's a whole community and a huge user base of folks trying to do this stuff to where there's a brand new, you know, not brand new, but an emerging massive market of folks who are interested in the hardware, software and tools to be able to live stream. And that's the kind of thing that, you know, back when we were playing with this in 2011, 2012, you know, it was a little bit harder to find the right tools to do that stuff. And a lot of it was ad supporting, you know, you couldn't find the right things and there's just been a whole community that's grown up around this idea of doing it for gaming. And so then to take those lessons, learn from them and to have the devices and things available from that community and be able to repurpose it for what we're trying to do is just awesome. And you said it, I mean, I didn't even realize this, but you told me this a while back is, I mean, when we were really doing the early DS106 TV experiments, we were using Justin TV. I remember you and Andy went over to one of the big galas they had at UMW and you guys, and some of them was a reporter on the street and I think I was back home and we were doing, that was a DTLT episode actually. DTLT today. So that was Justin TV, but Justin TV pivoted to become Twitch, which has been written. And I didn't know that, but like we were really, it was at that moment we were doing this that this kind of thing started to explode, right? So we can say around 2011, 2012, we've seen the kind of long kind of experimentation and playing of the gaming community as really an industry and what that's meant for just this kind of, you know, on the side, what's that meant, what that has meant for the VHS industry in 2019 has been really amazing what they have done for us and how they have really revitalized this community of two. Yeah, right. We are an emerging market of two, of few, maybe not two. Of a few, exactly. Of a few, the proud, you know, the reclamers. That's right, yeah. So I think the next piece of it, like you said, is figuring out how to make those synchronous viewing experiences seamless in the space. That'll be the next challenge and here is how to do that. Audio is a challenge and they're not, you know, video with the glare, we can kind of fix that. And I actually, I like the idea that the video is not pristine. You know, we talked about even early on, we talked about like the camera pointed at the TV and you're watching it sort of three steps removed, which not only from a copyright standpoint, you're really not raising any red flags there because nobody cares, you know, but also it's sort of like you're recreating the experience of sitting in the room watching an old television. So the idea is not that you have some HD copy in front of you, but that you're together in a room, but in terms of audio and in terms of synchronous experience, what can we do to make that happen? I didn't even mention the tweets and the Slack stuff that happened. That's right. So in fact, if anybody, you know, if you follow reclaimed video on Twitter, then you probably saw when I started playing the fly that it would have tweeted it out. So Plex supports web hooks and web hooks allow you to say, when something happens, I want you to go to a website and send, you know, all of the data about what just happened to that website. And so I wrote some code a couple of days ago that basically Plex, when I start playing just on this TV, not from my home or anywhere else, but just when this TV starts playing a video from our media player, it sends a web hook to the script that I wrote. And that script takes all that information, parses it, and then it places it in two places. One is our internal Slack. And then the other place is up on Twitter where it posts an image and the tagline and all the information about playing says playing video right now, watch it live at reclaimedvideo.com slash live. And so that all happened remotely and nobody's manually typing that into Twitter every time that it happens. So that's another sort of automated beat or plex that I've been playing around with and it's really cool. Yeah, and I think one of the things that also brings up is that was one of the first bots I remember was the DS106 radio bot. When everything that was playing on DS106 radio a student with the help of Alan and Grant Potter and others built a bot for DS106 radio, which is sick. But on top of that, it also brings up the question of audio was one of the problems, right? So can we isolate a stream from what's playing in reclaimed video and put that on DS106 radio? And then that becomes a shared thing that anyone can listen to. Or some way isolate the audio. We talked about that a little bit last night, but it's just cool because I find, thanks to the work you've done, returning to ideas that I found very generative, now almost 10 years ago, with a brand new kind of frame. The frame now is how do we watch videos in an old VHS store in Fredericksburg anywhere from the world? I mean, it's a simple problem in some ways, but it's not necessarily a simple solution, but I like that, right? But the problem is kind of like, what would it mean to get people from anywhere to come and watch an old VHS in your store? Even, you know, even broad, maybe comment on it. Even broadcast like this, what we're doing right now, I think it's pretty interesting because if somebody was standing in the room with us, they wouldn't hear anything you're saying because your robot is completely muted, but everybody is able to hear and I'm able to hear from the hangout, which is then being streamed out to the web. And so we're able to archive a lot of this stuff through that too. So I think even this experimentation of how can we take conversations that we're having in a space in a very interesting way, make them intimate like this, where it's like you're right in the room with me and I'm talking to you. So it's a really cool experience for me. And then to also send that out to the web for others to interact and be a part of those conversations too. So it's all generative, it's all cyclical. I love it all. It's cool. It is and that's why this robot won't be left in the closet, right? I think that's the difference, right? Like with the incubated classroom at UMW, like it's led to maybe it's led to go to seed or whatever. I mean, because there's not a frame that maybe people have an idea of why to use it. And that's why when people say video and you were really supportive, but like when I said the idea of like a video store, like I think it could be fun. I didn't see any of this. I'm not trying to say I had it all mapped out, but like it's not the thing, you know what I mean? It's the relationship and it's a way in which you come together around the thing and people have fun with the thing. And it's not a thing that has hopefully any one too many charged idea, right? Like hopefully some people have really good memories of going to the video store. Maybe some bad ones, right? They went behind the curtain when they shouldn't have or whatever. But like I like that idea that it's not, it's not the institutional setting of like, okay, now it's time to pull out the memory that one time when they said there was a school that said like they had a cap suit, a video capture suit and like a green, green, green screen suit. Where they have like ping pong balls all over you and you're like. So they had obviously a really amazing video setup and like they said, but like when someone will come by who was of power and had spent the X amount of million dollars to put this whole thing in place, they would always say put on the cap, the video capture suit and run around the place so that they feel like they're getting their monies worth. Which is just for me, ridiculous. So anyway, I love that, you know, it comes out of some place that, you know, just seems fun. Like and also maybe does avoid some of the trappings of money and all the things that come with over-investment and under-return because there's no real frame around it. And I think it's a cautionary tale that I think institutions and organizations and groups need to embrace this idea of experimentation and understand that sometimes that has to be funded and it doesn't need to be funded in the tens of thousands of dollars or whatever, you know, but you also need to be able to not sniff at, you know, saying like, hey, you know, for a thousand bucks I may need a robot and we're gonna do some cool stuff but then it go, oh, well, what's the larger picture here? And maybe you don't know what that picture is. Maybe you're not quite sure where you're going with that, but understanding that that's okay, that, you know, like just throwing some stuff in a space and experimenting and figuring stuff out, making stuff up on the fly, that that's okay without having a larger picture and understanding what's going and really like, that's the idea of an incubation space is that you're going to do the research and the development and you figure it out as you go, but that's the kind of thing that less and less, I think institutions have models for, which is unfortunate and where I think we're privileged and that we could just do this kind of thing and we can just say like, let's just try it out and do it. And a lot of awesome stuff comes from that. No, that's true. And you know what, Tim? Knowing is half the battle. Knowledge is power. G-I-J-O. I'm a computer. I'm a downloading. I'm a computer. We need to get, we need, that reminds me, we need to get some Saturday morning cartoons up on our media server. This is different conversations. So I won't go deep into the spot. When I was in OER 19 talking to Brian Mathers, the Scooby-Doo reality returned. And I am interested in on the cheap, how we figure out an episode or two that deals with digital literacies and some of the stuff we're doing, but using the Saturday morning cartoon frame and everything we're doing here. I mean, I think, frankly, like it's happening somewhat quietly as it usually does, but the excitement I feel around what you're doing here and this space is similar to what I was feeling in 2010 as we were building something with the S106. Like, and it's obviously never the same, but like it's an outlet that could really be. Yeah. Some of the little rad stuff who are doing the art who want to play with it to give them another option or not, you know, it could just be you and me wasting time in the VCR store, which frankly is not, not a bad thing, but you know, it feels right. Yeah, it does. It absolutely does. So, but that's a great conversation for another time. So I think we'll probably stop right there. But thanks everybody for watching and playing along with us and keep an idea, keep in tune to the Reclaim Video Twitter account, the ReclaimVideo.com website, especially the live website as we continue to fool around with that kind of stuff and offer more synchronous options for people to join us. Yes. Thanks, Tim. Cool. Thanks for taking the tour. Yeah, absolutely. So. Bye-bye.