 All right, we'll call the meeting to order. Six o'clock. Any amendments to the agenda? Nope, none that I have. Okay, all in favor? The C is put up at any time on our agenda. Yeah, I know. We'll let you know tonight. Well, I want to see it on the agenda. There you go. To be determined. Is that on there? Yeah, I think we don't have to say that. I think that's already. Yeah, we do have one appointment like talk with trees. She wasn't sure if they were going to come again tonight or not. But if the board's okay with it, we'll just hold the appointment open and if they either pop on line or. Can we just bring the screen around a little bit more so we can see? Can't really see who's there. So we'll just hold it open and see if. Oh, thank you. Thank you, thank you. Appreciate it. All right, so we'll hold that open. We'll just go to public comment. So if there's there's anybody what we'll do, just make it easy. We do have a couple. So we'll go in person first and then to zoom second. Is that fair? Sure. Next time we can do the opposite. How's that? You guys had a meeting on the classroom road issue. No, I had asked about October 3rd. And if it's coming on September, if you've got to if you've got to warn it for 30 days. I know, yeah, I have the book on the left hand side of my desk. And I keep looking at it. I want to keep looking to make sure the statute is right. And then I got sidetracked talking about the project or like you did to see, you know, make sure that's right. So no, it's about talking about a while about possibility of discontinuing or declassifying the portion of right road that goes beyond like the turnaround at the farm. So right, you know, before the house. So yeah, so it's right here on the front of my desk. So I don't think you can discontinue it, but we'll go. Yeah. So no, I then that's what I was trying to do is revisit the state statue. Because there's a whole, you know, steps and warning and stuff. And then your person person information. Well, you end up we end up figuring that out, right? So those people that live in Rochester access the your road. But then according to that. Yeah, there was a. Yeah, have you ever seen them? You ever met them on my brother kicked him out? Yeah, I wasn't sure. So anyway, so Brian had asked about doing a hearing in October and he's right. There's a certain amount of days, so I will get cracking. I'll tackle that tomorrow. OK, while we're on the roads, the end for annual lives. Yeah, that's class three faster. It's still class three. How far, you know, to the town, reach the Rochester town line. We went over that. We went over that when we had the class four. I think it was the last class four committee meeting we held. No, it stops before. No, because we couldn't do any female work past just past. Oh, she used to be Marcia Packard, Michelle Packard's house, because we were going to do. We did some work up there after the April 2019 blood and just after like and or just before Andrew's driveway. It is where the class three ends. And then it became class four because you, Chris, Alan, a gentleman from A&R and I walked that to talk about class four road you know, standards and quality. So it ends because we couldn't do female work there. I think it's class three because when we had the meeting last fall in October with the class board committee count, you know, the road committee, Carl said it is class three. And I think you said last fall that you found out that it was class three to that because you said it was funny that that was still class three on this end. And then on the Rochester end, it would it had been it's just a trail. Right. Yeah, I think it's class three. But I'll look at the map. But what I'm getting at is the brush I talked to you about. And I did talk to I've talked to Morgan and someone to write this down. That needs to be done because that's a real safety issue. Last Andrew's question mark. So I did talk to them and about it and Hazen just got done. So now we're down to two people, just Morgan and AJ, and they were going to be doing some more work on Gilead, not tomorrow because of rain, but they were finishing some ditching and stuff. So I did mention to them again and just said, you know, if you're up that way, grab the leadbacker from. No, it's going to be you need a machine. It's not anything it's going to be something that anyways, they did eyeball it so they know what they need to do. And we've mentioned it because I if you're coming out, I just assumed you're high enough because I know where your access is. But they did look at it the other day. So they're both aware of it. And I had told them that you sent another email about because it is a safety issue. Yeah. And also, of course, Carl supposedly gave suggestions on what to be done to that road. And it was right there where the plow stops and about 300 feet past that. It's gully right down from my right away takes off. And there was the town supposed to do some work right here in that section because they're just above that. There was a water barrel used to go out into the field that took care of all that water. Now the water runs from 800 feet all the way down from the height of the land. And it's not right now, but by November until May, the water is going to be running right down that road right down the middle of the road the whole way. And Carl also suggested kicking a couple of water bars into the field. Was that in his notes from their class four road meeting? I don't know. You'll have to look. Yeah, I'll have to look into that. Those were the suggestions he made to us that day. And then after that, they were supposed to come up and do some fill and in where my right away is and put that. Water bar back in. Yeah. And it was and actually you sent us the grader up and did a kind of a hack. Nothing they could do in the fall, but it was wet before it snowed. And they try to do make a ditch down through, but the water just runs right straight down the road. And I'm pretty sure it's a class three. And I while we'll check and email you because I I feel like for sure it was class four because we couldn't go past there doing female work. Well, there's no reason to go past it because it's been turned into a go path because the previous owners for eight years hasn't let has controlled the roads up. Yeah. So let me let me look. I'll send you an email. And but it was I know that they I'm pretty sure you'll find this class three. If not, show me the show me where it was showing up legally. Yeah, well, I'll scan the I'll look at the state highway map because that's what we were. It's not on the state. It shows it as I think it shows it as it does somewhere between 19. I was looking at it today. I think between 65 and 71 somewhere it changed from a class three and it was. I think in 1970, whatever you look at them, somewhere one of the maps does a lot. There's a line drawn there and it says amended. That's all it says is amended. I don't think it was legally thrown up. But that I'd like to have a commitment on getting that fixed up through there where at least I don't have much say probably because I don't own land past here unless it's a class three. Then I do have say but I also talked to Kinsley. He's going to be working on that road. I know. And he was told that. He had to do the work himself. And also that the town is only responsible for culverts, which is good for me to know that the town supplies culverts on class four roads when I get to fix up the roads going up past my brother's round on the class four. We talked to Kinsley because he said he was going to do it as a winter project because he's walking past there. So what happened was because it's class four, we'll double check that now, I guess, but that was certainly our understanding was. AJ met with Kinsley, AJ and Morgan, and they felt like a couple of the culverts were, you know, they felt like they were going to be OK. And so what they had agreed with the Kinsley is they take a look after because they didn't want Kinsley to have to do work on something on a class four road that maybe but we're not putting log trucks down there. So we kind of went back and forth. And I guess they they reached an agreement with Kinsley that, hey, let's just see what it looks like when you're done logging and go from there. So maybe Kinsley puts it in and they survived. They were not going to be brand new culverts. They were just going to be some, you know, something older that they had because they wanted to be fair to Kinsley because they obviously the culverts hadn't been changed in years. So they were trying to, you know, work it out. And because obviously, Mr. Rochester, gentlemen, said you said, thank you. You know, wants to get his property logged and they're going to do the turnaround in Rochester. So and he doesn't have an access to Rochester to go out the other way. So he's kind of stuck. So but find out about that class three classroom. I think you'll find it's still class three. And if it is, I want a commitment from the town to at least fix that part that's in front of my right away. That need to be filled in. I don't want the water running down the road. No, the road, even if it's a class four, the water should not be running down the middle of the road. Well, we'll take a look. I'll scan them out and then take a look. And I guess they told Kinsley that he couldn't water bar off the side into the fields either, which is he has to be careful because this is where everything went wrong last time. If the water bars are right in the middle of the entrance to the farm access, then it becomes, but what we did tell Andrew, we told Kinsley to talk to Andrew because if it's going to be a winter project, then that's not even going to be a big deal for him. So we told Kinsley to talk to Andrew, to make sure that, we knew you were in support of the project that you were fine with them logging for Mr. Sedgwick. So we felt like just have Kinsley talk to Andrew, make sure everybody's on the same page going in and out. So it seemed like the right thing to do. Well, Kinsley will fix it up right, but when it's done, or when the water starts running down the road again, I'm going to be back here. Yeah. Because it's got to be diverted somehow. Yeah. So let's start. Whether it's class three or class four. Can we just put an action item on for next meeting to start talking? We got a couple of roads that either need to be reclassified or declassified or our commitments need to come up because there's like three or four roads that I know of that. Why some things are the way they are. It doesn't make a lot of sense. And two of them are the ones that you're talking about. And it's something that we just got to take care of. Yeah, we've been talking about it. So maybe we can group up Gilead Road with Wright Road and there's a couple others that we can add to that list. Yeah. Because that, excuse me, that was Carl's suggestion. He said the town's either got to do some work on them or throw them up. Well, and I'll look at his notes because I don't remember that being in writing. So if he did maybe just said it to you guys, which doesn't, so I mean, he said it to me. So, but I'll pull up those meeting minutes from them. And I think Chris Fors was there and Alex, right? Sure, yeah. And Carl did great minutes. So we'll take, I'll take a look, reread the minutes. It's been a while. So I will do that. But I'll email you once I... Okay, find out if that's class three or four. Absolutely. I think you'll find out it's three. Okay. Well, I... The issue in November, when there's water running down the road, I'm gonna be back here. Yeah, no, I get it, that's fair. Because it was, that's what it was agreed to town was supposed to do some work on it. Well, just because Carl said that doesn't, he represented the class four road committee. No one was agreed. Right. I think that was the last meeting they have. Oh. All right. Well, anyways, I will look, sir, and get you the map and we'll scope it up. And make a date for that. Yeah, I'll let you know. The only time I can't do it is the 7th and 8th. Of October? Of October. That's a Friday and a Saturday month. Other than that, you guys bring your hiking shoes because I wanna show you the class four part two while we're up there. It's gonna have to be upgraded. A lot of trees caught culverts replaced, blah, blah, blah. So I'll make that up. All right, sir. And tree warden, do you have a tree warden? Yes. Yeah, and I... The tree warden I think has to mark trees that have to be caught. I can't. But anyway, we'll go for it. I can't remember her name right now. I'm so sorry. We can take a look at it in just a little bit more. It took up my tone. I can't think of her name. But yeah, so we'll scope it up. All right, but I'll get you the map and I'll look 65 to 71. So thank you. Check that out. Yes. I'll look those up and I'll shoot you an email. Okay. Where it said amended on the... That would be helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. All right, do we have any public comment from anybody on Zoom? Owen says no. Lenny? No, okay. We're in public comment right now. So if you had anything that you wanted to share at this point, now's the time to do it or if you're gonna do that later. Hi, I'm James Key and managing the Bethel's Farmers Market. I just wanted to give an update about that and how it's going. It's going okay. We're not getting a lot of people but I think that's just based on the economy and also a lot of produce farmers wanting to just have farm stands on their own property with CSA membership. So it's not been a buildup that's been real quick but people are noticing it and enjoying it there. But I was curious if the select board was flexible and having it on a Monday because it appears that Mondays are where everything else is closed so people don't have it in their mindset to wanna come down because they're like, well, there's nothing else. Why am I gonna gas and being as expensive as it is as long people wanting to get out in that manner and where they're making multiple trips. So I was gonna bring up to the select board if there's flexibility to move it and coincide with something like the music festival where we had because the amount of vendors, I don't think it would be conflicting with the traffic flow and such and so forth. And that there's, I think, on the other side or there's enough grass-based that we could have at least five or six vendors that would accompany the music. And I think that would get the word out and also would build up more spirit about the farmers market right now. And it's kind of like, some people are hesitant of returning like particularly the produce farmers because they don't wanna waste their produce if they're not getting a lot of customers. But overall, I think it's been a positive thing for the community and so forth and so on. But I just wanted to come to select board to see if that there's flexibility, maybe on next time agenda discuss that to see if it can be moved to a Wednesday along with the music night, maybe not this year, but next year or something like that. Do you have other Zacarias food vendors? So people are maybe selling something that's ready to eat or? They are interested, but again, because of the economy and how things are so expensive, the frugality is sort of like inhibiting people to wanna take the chance. I mean, we've had people come as far as Rochester and there's Randall, but when they're seeing more people pass by than stop, they're sort of trying to get puzzled to like, why is there a lot of activity going by? But not anyone wanting to stop. I was thinking because of the music night and there's people already coming that that sort of will like sink in. Like, hey, it's back in town. And then once it grows and it's busy, busy, then maybe we can move back to maybe Monday or Tuesday or Thursday. But it appears that people are like, I don't wanna make an extra trip if I don't have to. And they already know that everything else is closed. What's the time of the farmers market right now? Currently it's three to six PM on Mondays and I believe that's the way it's always been. And is that what you'd want it to be on Wednesdays? Well, I was thinking on Wednesday to do it like four to seven. Not really trying to cut into the music, but just having something where at least people can maybe wanna come an hour or so ahead of time, maybe buy some stuff at the farmers market. And that way maybe we can entice people would grab and go meals and so forth and so on. That could add to that feature. But I think that to entice more people, two more vendors, we need to, I guess, give them some reason. Like an example, like the music event, where there's people there. Yeah, exactly. Well, email John said. I don't think the select word ever set Monday. I think it was actually, and this is, others can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but my recollection when Barbara who used to run it was really just kind of pulled like what other towns have markets on what days and Monday was the available day. And so she was trying to do it based on not competing with other local markets. But I think some markets that used to be open on other days have also stopped existing in the same way. And so personally, I think Wednesday is a great idea to sort of increase the traffic for both the music and the market. But the second thought, just because you referenced the strip of green, which I'm assuming you're kind of talking about this strip of green up against the white church. No, no, okay. There is on the other side of the driveway, I believe town owns that green. Okay, yeah. Yeah, that's what I just wanted to clarify. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Anything on the other side of that parking lot, maybe church is church's property. Well, and they may be totally open to that, but it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be the town giving you permission. You'd have to get permission. But if you were talking about the town owned piece, that's I just, that's why I wanted clarity. Cause I was like, which piece are we talking about? Well, again, you know, you know, there was sort of a little bit of ambiguity on how things were running. Again, I just didn't want to come in like the giant stone into a small pond and create a ripple effect sort of speed. I just wanted to come in and gain a sense of the community and get some feedback on one vendors as well as the customers themselves. And it appears like on both sides, you know, the feedback is like, oh, why can't you do it on a different day? So I'm glad to know that, you know, I have the flexibility and I realized the town invested in with the banner, but I think we can re-engineer the banner to address that kind of timeframe. So I have a question. So when you, the concern about the time and day of the week for it, is that more weighted on potential citizens or tourists stopping and being able to spend or is it more trying to get more vendors there? And the only reason why I say that is I understand the point here comes from not to cut you short, but I know where you're going and heading to. Right away, it's all consumers that are buying from vendors. If I can't get consumers there, the vendors aren't going to come. Well, I know a lot of times, like for instance, someone will say, well, we're not going to do our farmers market on Saturday because Rochester has theirs on Saturday, right? But the thing is, is there's different people that frequent the Rochester side as this side. I mean, if you look through, you know, Friday night, Saturday and Sunday, there's a lot of out of state activity that comes through this corridor, right? And it also allows local citizens to, you know, come down, do whatever shopping that they might be doing and stop in. And even though you may be competing vendor-wise maybe, you probably see that your draw would be a lot more. Towards the weekend. Yeah, I mean, that's just my opinion. Or on a music night too. I'm just throwing that out there on, you know, I wouldn't be afraid to be a Saturday, just like whatever, Redstock and Rochester, because I think there's a different corridor of people that, you know. It's very true. Yeah, because the example would be like on a Saturday, they had to rent out farmers market. And there was a huge bike, bikeathon, and bike, you know, motorcycles, et cetera. But I know which prior there was a huge bikeathon, they went right through town, all the way down one of the sevens. So I agree with that kind of track. And Mondays is really difficult because you got to think a lot of people have done their shopping on the weekend, right? And now they just started into work mode. It's three to six, you're coming through town at five o'clock. You know, not that you don't want to go with the farmers market, but you got like everything else on your mind. Yeah, yeah, getting home after work after reaching. I would be more of a proponent. I think Wednesdays is really good because it partners up with the music events. But a Saturday might be better. I mean, I don't know just throwing that. I mean, you're probably gonna draw a lot of people. I think I would like to do both. I would love to see a Saturday event. That way we can, yeah, it would be more appealing to vendors, I think, you know, particularly those that are sort of like not wanting to have to drive further out to sell their product. If they're like local people that live in Bethel or adjacent town. So yeah, I've been looking and speaking all around and getting feedback. If you go to the other farmer market, it's like I was in Woodstock a couple of weekends ago and happened to drop through their green there at the time. And I would say at least half of the people that were on the green at that time were out of state individuals. They were not locals. They were out of state, you know, cause they saw it, they stopped, they wanted to see what it was all about and they spend money, you know? So I would push more towards the weekend, but that's what I mean. Make the recommendation. I mean, I don't know. Do we actually have to set a date and time and select order? I don't think so. But John, the only thing I know is that certain nights, depending on the band, green is packed. So what time does the music, are they start at seven? Yeah, they usually start at seven. Yeah, I know there's a couple bands that are like huge. Is that green being used for parking vehicles? No. What you're talking about, the little strip there? They're a little green by the bridge. Yeah, they don't put anything. So that's why I was thinking of setting it right. I don't know. I think that they might on nights like John Lackford. When busy night, yeah, if it's like big nights, like John Lackford and different things, they might park there. Well, maybe it's worth James just talking to John Duddy who chairs the council of the arts. Yeah, council of the arts. And just checking in with him as well, just to, you know, then you're not just plopping into his events. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm sure we can get you contact. That's the only reason I need. So I'm going to put the application of barracks. Right. Thank you, John's email. OK, thank you, John. Do you have it? Yeah, but I think, yeah, there must be wrapping up blue concerts. Couple of planned august maybe. So email. I mean, I would say Wednesdays and Saturdays are probably the two highest volume citizen traffic. Because if we could get part of the Wednesdays, then, you know, what I was doing is thinking of extending the season through October. That way, we can attract more produce farmers, because I'm sure everybody by that time will have an abundance of stuff, and then going to the fall season. Do places do multiple times? Like, do they do like twice a week? Or are farmers not here? Is it just one time? I haven't read any farmers markets. And many aren't doing great. I would say out of the many throughout the state, I may be a handful are doing well. And there are typically ones like the Burlington Stowe, where there's an abundance of tourists. Randolph, they're getting some people in it, and they are all tourists mostly. And that's because they're in the campgrounds nearby. All right. Yeah, yeah, so. Just for this evening, you're thinking of extending for the season. Maybe try out Saturdays for a chunk of time this year. Because there will be tourist traffic through September, October, you know, even pre-leaf peeping. There's kind of that tourist, you know, you get people who just are tooling around on their bikes or, you know, retired folks that looked for the kid season to be done and are coming through. So you might snag a bit. Yeah, and then the farmers markets will be wrapping up, you know, middle of September towards the end of September. So then I'll definitely, I'm sure, we'll be seeing more people who want to be in the area. But also, like you just touched upon, the leaf peepers that are coming up here, I definitely would like to get to be a part of that. So it's really great to hear the feedback that, yeah, is wanting that as well. Because the excitement on wanting to do it where there's more people, more audience is definitely, you know, what's happening. So, you know, and like I said, you know, the feedback is straight, but yeah, we have a larger audience and we'll be better. So I appreciate the feedback. Because yeah, that's definitely the way I want to go. Moving towards Saturday. And then we can get musical. Because, you know, I've spoken to a few musicians who would love to come. But again, they want to have an audience there, that is. But they're not, they don't want to charge a price that isn't affordable, you know, for the farmers market folks or anything like that too. Well, some will play for free. So it's good to hear feedback and we'll try to get that going. So I think after I speak with the gentleman who runs the BCA. John, Debbie, I'll send you his email address. Then we'll start moving forward from there. So thank you, folks. That was good. Thank you. All right, we have any other public comment? Yes. Oh, hi, Lenny. Can you hear me? Hi. Yes. Moving the farmers market is the best idea yet to another day. Okay. I am a farmers market person and I drive right by on Monday because it's the first day of the week. I don't even think about it. So my mind doesn't even think about it. And I know I've spoken to others who say if it was on a different day, they would be more apt to show up and to look around and to purchase and to buy. So. All right. Thank you. So here are no other public comments. We'll close public comment. First on the agenda is we had a request to appoint a Lister. Do you want to speak on that? Sure. So there's a, there's an email in here, right? From Mo and Judy. Just saying that they're requesting that, okay, please have a select board appoint Pam Brown as our third Lister at a current rate of pay that is up until the March town meeting because they haven't had any cakers, no applicants to the advertisement or anything like that. So basically, you know, you need that third signature sometimes. So Pam, it's not going to be doing inspections. You know, Mo and Judy will still do that. But in time, you know, sometimes you need a third signature, like when you're going to post the grand list and do some things like that. So that's really what they're, what they're looking for. Yeah, I had a picture. I'm going to be overloading. Yeah. Pam, I mean, Pam is a, somebody always says yes. Yeah. When something needs to be done and we're concerned that she would be overloading. They're just talking to her. I have not talked to her. Oh, okay. She was fine. Well, yeah, she'll always say, yeah. She'll always say, yeah. Well, nobody wants to volunteer to take them because they need a third. So it's just signatures and stuff like that. That's one thing. But yeah, she's not going out with inspections. Mo and Judy are going to start doing that pretty soon. So that was what they told me was. So it was just, just have that understanding. Yeah. And she and I have talked about this before. Yeah. And stress and all that. In fact, your health and stuff like that. Absolutely. She's still got the election stuff to get through. Oh, yeah. I know Norma's got quite a bit on her plate. So I guess, you know, if it really is like an hour or two a week to do some behind the scenes functions, it's probably fine. But I mean, if it's an hour's a week or something, I don't see how she's going to be able to see it. I think on a regular and normal week, she won't do anything. They do the list or card, you know, well, she does some and have people ask for cards. But on a regular, I mean, Mo and Judy are there three days a week now, which is nice. They have regular hours. People can, you know, see them and deal with them. So they aren't asking her to do anything other than just be the third person. Well, we have that one. Yeah. OK. We'll be sure. Minutes are clear. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. To a point. I'm brown. That's a list or until the party pointing to being free. I prefer a rate of pay. OK. Any further discussion? No. All in favor? Aye. And we have Planning Commission requests to appoint Eric Webb for a three-year term. So the Planning Commission, you know, first talks about it, and then they ask the slide board to appoint because the PC camp, but they're the ones who have to make the recommendation. So we did. You get a letter from the Planning Commission? Yeah, the Planning Commission did, and it was in there minutes a while ago. And he was, he's been planning and zoning in other town before. He's a wonderful addition to the meeting. He really understands the whole process and town plan zoning, all that. So it's great. And he's willing. So there's that helps. Yeah, but yeah, he's. OK, just need a motion to appoint. So move. OK, any further discussion? OK, all in favor? Aye. All right. Some James Key guy. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So request to be appointed to the Equity and Inclusion Committee. And we do have a letter from James. OK, second. OK, any further discussion on the matter? They all in favor? All right. All right. Owen's clapping. Just in case you can't see him. All right. And then next, we had ideal, which is inclusion, diversity, equity, action, and leadership. So Vermont's invitation for Bethel to join their inaugural meeting that they're having sounds like from talking to Reese that you were interested, but may you have a schedule contract? Yeah, I have a contract. inaugural day. They're kind of launched it on October 26. But I would. So I'd be interested in representing the board. But Teresa and I kind of talked about maybe having somebody still there representing Bethel on that day since I can't be there. So are we thinking another select board member or somebody from the committee that day? Or reached out to Christie Frye and asked her. And because last time, well, when Owen was in last time with Mr. Young, he was how busy he was. So we asked Christie and she was going to she was excited about it and was going to talk to the equity inclusion committee about it and check her schedule and go back to us because we are wondering if maybe doing both like seeing if Christie and Lindley like so there's like someone from the select board and someone from the EIC, you know, kind of doing it together. And that way they tend together or because it seems like there's just going to be a lot of information and a lot of stuff. Whereas if there's two people, I think it might be helpful. But but it was interesting. Anyways, we had because the partners are, you know, VLCT and and I think part of it was we had reached out to VLCT after I think I maybe had sent some information when I can't remember now. But anyways, about starting the equity inclusion committee and they reached out to us because we they were excited that Bethel had, you know, take initiative. And I guess that's how we got on the radar. And I I'd also sent you the information, right? Oh, and about joining the state board because they were looking for somebody and are looking for several people. So anyway, so it it's it was a I think it's a good opportunity about both nice of them to invite us specifically to be, you know, kind of the inaugural members. So so at this point, you don't need anything from the select board other than no, we were just it was just a discussion because just to kind of let you know, we'd have got the invitation and that talk to Lindley and Christy was going to talk to the I see. When is your next meeting? Oh, one more meeting tomorrow night. And it is on our agenda. So yeah, Christy did let me know about that. And she really wants to be able to do it. She just, you know, she works at Middlebury College and things are a little bit bananas at the beginning of the year. But I think she really wants to be able to. So that would be awesome. Yeah, yeah, that that would be great. Oh, good, good, good, yeah. So yeah, we'll meet tomorrow and I'm sure we'll get back to you after that. That's sweet. Thank you. Yeah, so I mean, it was a great opportunity, though, wasn't it? I mean, I liked the information that they had. And I think, didn't I forward you the email from Susanna originally? OK, yeah, I have that email. Yeah, I think it's really awesome. And it's just I think it's one of those moments where Bethel is, you know, landing itself on the map because of the work that we're doing here at a statewide level. And it's super exciting. So, yeah, and I think they'll be, I mean, they talk about there's grant money that towns will be eligible for grant money. And also, too, I know, I mean, there's a lot. This covers a lot. If you look at it, tourism, school, curriculum, I mean, housing, health, equity. So there's a lot of topics. So I think they will be that's why, you know, to me, the idea of a couple of people is good because there's going to be a lot of possible ground to cover and information to look into and possible grant opportunities and things like that. So but thank you for putting on your agenda. All right. OK, any further discussion? OK, you're none. And then we had started at the last meeting, which will just be an ongoing discussion probably up until budget time at some point is just, you know, what we want to do with the gospel constables, constable. So, you know, I saw one of them. I couldn't tell you one of them at 6 30 on a Saturday morning. And all I could think was, who else is driving through Bethlehem at 6 30 on a Saturday morning? Very much you. Probably I was walking and I didn't get pulled over. So that was good. Yeah. And again, you know, for anybody that hasn't been a part of the discussion that may be in the audience tonight, I mean, our we started at last September, October during budget season, was just kind of, you know, the promise to the to the citizens has been that we would provide 20 hours of service in the community. A week and and we used to have the luxuries of sharing a gospel with two other towns. And then we had the then for a while, we were sharing a gospel with one other town 50 50. And then, you know, now we have two part time constables that fill time when they have it. So as a board, we kind of felt like we have kind of failed with our commitments of 20 hours of service. But just like with all the other landscape that's happened the last couple of years is, you know, to find, you know, part time, fully certified constable is very, very difficult. So, you know, the conversation became, you know, can we share with somebody locally? Do maybe we have to hire somebody full time so that we can actually get somebody, you know, accredited to want to come to? Or do we look at, you know, moving out to another service like county sheriffs or so that's kind of the last meeting what we did, because we just didn't want to get the cart in front of the horse too much is just the board had identified. We just put into groups of, you know, what are our realistic options for the town? Not we didn't get into any details. It was just big options. So so we had determined that the first option is to do what we're doing. Stay with a part time constables or constables whenever we can get them, which, you know, as you could see at the budget lately is, you know, only a couple hours a week of coverage and on odd hours. We also looked at the like hiring somebody full time. Obviously that comes with more hours, but it's it's challenging to hire somebody on a part time when all the agencies around us are hiring full time big wages. And then we kind of talked about a little bit, you know, a potential, you know, how much that might cost us. We had thrown up there at that point was another option was to create a police department. And then another option is to outsource the coverage in the past. We've looked at different things from VSP, Vermont State Police, shares department. We've talked with Royalton in the past. And then the fifth option was to do nothing. So don't offer anything, but we also have to understand if we didn't offer anything, we would at least have to have an animal control individual that's either appointed or the higher out or whatever. Because we have to at least perform that service. So once we got done throwing all those against the wall, we came up with four options. We threw out the police department option, right? Right. It just, you know, to get. It's not just have one individual full time, but then, you know, you're in charge of, you know, all the trainings, all the administrative, all the. So it's a very big ticket item for a small community. So we just decided we don't even have a building. So we just decided that probably wasn't a likely option at this point. So right now we're kind of looking at the four options that we have left there. Um, Therese had was going to look at Randolph's, just a Randolph for anybody didn't know, we don't know the exact date. We're thinking somewhere around 2018. I think so. They, they, I don't know if they voted or how they did it, but they voted, they dissolved their police department in town and they have Orange County sheriffs that do the community policing. So sweet. I did, I reached out to them to see how that process is going and what that might look like. But so he just got back to me tonight actually and said that he spoke to their primary contact at Orange County Sheriff's Department, but any before or after statistical differences. And he said they haven't really measured it in that terms. They kind of focus on the quality of service and how they interact, you know, with the sheriff's department. And he said the town general feelings towns well served by the contract and that the level of service inside the police district is similar to or better than before. And the contract was unanimously renewed for another three year term by the board, by the Randolph select were earlier this summer. He said communication has been very good that they, the sheriff's department has been great at responding to the quality of life policing issues that pop up, they're visible and engage. And he thinks that helps with the public's level of comfort with the service. He said from a management standpoint, having had police departments under town umbrellas before, there's definitely a real benefit to the contract model, which I completely agree to, because he's like, he's either talking about service or structure because they own the building. So he's like, literally, you know, building sense. So, you know, because it's what I said before, the employee management components from union negotiations, relationships, suit of recruitment, retention and training, it's all handled by the sheriff's department. And he said that billing is timely and clear. And and that he said they also provide the police services for the areas of Randolph that are outside of the police district, but those are limited to just speed and traffic enforcement. So, you know, they have a pretty good sized budget for their contract, you know, 300 over 300 grand. But and then I saw another 25. That must be the service they provide outside of the district. And so Rochester had also I had emailed Frank Severy and then I haven't heard back from him yet. He had given me the data and I'd written it down and I remember telling Chris about it, but I guess I can't, but now I can't remember what it was. But they pay like, you know, a few thousand. They get like 12 hours a week and from the Windsor County ships and they're very happy with them in Rochester. So, you know, we had approached the BSP when Lieutenant Kessler was in charge of the BSP and we were that was around 43 to 45,000 for 20 hours of service. But they at the time were having a short and they couldn't admit. And now retired officers wife was just telling me that they're an email just went out yesterday that Governor Scott or just went out recently that Governor Scott issued an executive order allowing retired troopers to go to come back. I'm not sure. Is that to come back as BSP or could they come back in a different form? I don't know. It sounds like they come back as a constable. I may be I don't know, but it sounds like come back. It sounds like come back as BSP because so, you know, because. And they're such a police shortage, but they also had you either had 20 years or mandatory retirement at 55. And it was a lot of people in 55 that are were still able to work that wanted to, but they had that mandatory retirement. So I'm not sure if the parameters are within so many years of retirement or what. But so we're not it's an uphill battle. I know in the past, someone certainly, you know, we've gone through this exercise probably every other year for seven years. I've been on the board and we're always when we talk about outsourcing. Identities will will have no problem giving us a figure to use for our budget, but then they can never commit to what the service will be. And that's been the challenges, you know, like, you know, Windsor County Sheriff's one year we got something from the MVSP, you know, we even talked to Royalton at one point, you know, but then once you start talking about the service that you want provided, then, you know, well, you know, this is budgeted for 20, but we don't know if we could get you 20, maybe you get eight. And Royalton, you know, so then very short staff right now. They have just two, I think, Oscar and Loretta. There was rumor they were hiring. Yeah, the short one right now. Has Bethel ever had the Sheriff's Department or always just had a constable? Not in my lifetime. You could have created a doctor or a police officer. Yeah. I know. You may not have been on there. I did. Well, we had talked to Loretta. We had that thrown in. We were interested in doing more, but she's right now. Like last I knew it was just. And that's been the challenge as we've had those discussions, but yeah. Yeah. And the tough thing too is the. Hang on, Lenny. The accreditation, the ongoing trainings and a lot of the behind the scenes things are so cumbersome now. So even having a constable or anything linked to the town office, there's a lot of extra work that has to be done to stay up. Yeah. And Lenny had a comment on. I just, I have a question. Right now, because we only have the constable is like 20 hours or less. If something happens and a citizen of Bethel calls for the police, who are they calling? They're calling 911 so their state police will dispatch. Someone to. Yeah, right. Who you, I mean, it may take a while because they're short staff. So they've been depending on the coverage, but of course. They'd also would dispatch anyone, you know, if it was a real serious, they would look for somebody else in the area, sheriffs or anybody like that. So when a Bethel resident dials 911, it's state police that's dispatching everybody, the constable and the BSP and I assume the sheriffs too. And, you know, and. Traditionally here, at least since I've been in the town 15 years, they traditionally it's, you know, the constable for the most part has. And we have, you know, three said put the. The constables powers and qualifications sheet here, but you know, we had. You know, usually for the most part, even though, you know, our most up to date constables have the power. To do pretty much everything if they're credited because now it becomes an accreditation. Well, years ago, the constables didn't have to have an accreditation so they couldn't do a lot of the functions. They were already automatically like. If a certain call went out, then that had to go to BSP or something that was accredited. But now that the accreditation's are. If I remember right. Yeah. Oscar the same. Yeah. Well, they have. Yeah. You have to be at least part-time sort of to be a constable now. So there used to be a big, big trade off of, you know, when you call 911, because you call 911 no matter what, right. And then that goes out to dispatch. And then if it was something that if they know, like, for instance, I'll make it up. If Oscars on duty and he's a fully credited officer. If, if it, if it goes out and he's on duty, he'll get that call as well. Right. So his response time might be faster than the Vermont state police. And I remember the, the residents that we had here. A month ago with the instance that they were having on their private road. Remember, she said that it took like 25 minutes for them to get there, you know, because you never know where they're going to be at VSP. But most of that, most of what we've had the constables and I was looking through the sheet over since I've been on the board is, you know, most of it's been traffic enforcement. And then the community presence, which is either at the school or in the downtown working, you know, in and around the businesses. Cause there for a while we had some issues with some loitering and well, never goes away, but we had one point, we had a lot of loitering and other conduct that was going on. And, you know, the animal, believe it or not, animal piece of it is usually kind of heavily weighted. If there's any type of animal dispute dog related, it goes out to that. But even, even Oscar and a lot of them, if it gets into a 911 call, I don't know, a domestic call or something like that, the VSPs come in anyway. So it's, um, But Bethel, this was what Jean had asked where Jean had said, you know, if we're going to know what you want for policing, he wanted to know, you know, what are the duties of this person? So these are the powers of a constable. And as section D says, a municipal legislative body may vote to allow a constable elected or appointed, um, to exercise law enforcement authority. So that's what you had done when you all hired. When it started, yeah, Greg was here. When you guys brought Oscar on because he was too E certified, you voted to allow him to do all police, you know, do, he could do anything and that ball. Before that, I think it may have been. Well, before that they, that's right around the time where they changed the law. Because before that you just had to be certified constable, which part-time sort of didn't really come with a whole lot of, cause Mark was a part-time certified police officer. And then when Oscar King was right, when the state had changed their. Yeah. The roles and responsibilities and trainings, but. That we have not voted at a town meeting to limit the duties. Is that correct? Exactly. Right. Cause that is the first one. It says a town people to prohibit constables from exercising any law enforcement authority. And I also see that there is nothing in this list of duties. About traffic. No, I think it says that they are, they may. Because they can do, um, exercise law enforcement. So, okay. Because they're not provided that they're not prohibited from it under subsection A, which they're not, and that they're certified to exercise that level of authority, which Oscar and Justin are. So, um, So we, so, but we have, or I have been under the assumption that that was what, that traffic control was one of the things that we were. Uh, looking for. I think it is. Yeah. But it's, yeah, it's funny. That it's not a comfortable. I just want to be clear that that. That upset. Because if you had the sheriff's department, you feel like it would be. Well, what doesn't that. No, I'm just, I'm just. Doesn't that fall into the service of civil or criminal process? I mean. I mean, uh, a ticket is a civil. But it could be criminals on the charge. You know, criminal could be a DUI or whatever. But I think that falls under that. But it's specifically the service. Yeah. Or about transport. Even, even, you know, those cases, like I'm. You know, even with Justin or, um, Oscar, if they get into those issues, they have Vermont state police that backs them up on those too. So it's. Yeah. I'm just. I just found that that was curious and I'm not. So I don't know the. What's assumed under civil or criminal processes. I would have to. Would have to get that. Yeah. The 12 BSA, but. Yeah. So. So it's part, you know, so obviously it's money driven as far as. Going to be money driven because. The thing about the sheriff's department is. This is my experience in contracting out with the sheriff's department is. Because they are very good at traffic enforcement and there may be. That sometimes you get your money back because in ticket revenue, obviously there's not photos, but certainly there's. They're out and you're getting, you know, and they're doing true enforcement and really pulling people over. Then. You're. You're going to make up some of your expense and fines. So can we contact Windsor County. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So my rough idea of what we're talking about. See anything that's going to change too is like. All years in election, right? We have an election year too. So. Like a lot could change at the county level because I know. Like one of the individuals that's running for share. This platform is to. Help smaller communities like ours by the sheriff's department providing those services. So that's what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have an officer with three communities type deal. That all they would do is perform duties in those three communities. Yeah. The sheriff's department. That could be so advantageous. We're right. You know, so, you know, the, you have the election. I think. Unfortunately, I think what we need to. Look a little more at is more just kind of where do we think that we need to fund. The best options. The best options. Yeah. I think that's what we need to do before budget time. Well, almost $50,000. Yeah. For. But you also spend it. We spent like $6,000. You still have the insurance. You've still got the. Yeah. Pension. No, no retirement. But yeah. But you still got all those overhead expenses. And we're not getting any. I think it was nine hours. I think this might be. A little bit down the road, but it'd be interesting to look at the, what is the current budget, you know, salaries and benefits included, but then like we put. It's a 5,000 towards the cruiser front every year. So that would be coming out with that go back towards. So then does it make the budget at more like 60,000. So like, look at it from a broader perspective, because it was sounding like, you know, Randolph's had a good experience, but your point that they. They are putting a lot more money into that. And so our experience might be really different. Yeah. And it's different sheriffs because they're orange County. Right. And I just sort of wonder from, so this is, this is like the bigger ask of as we come into budget season of. What we might anticipate. Do we need to increase that budget? Could we hold with the same budget? You know, if we move around to the cruiser fund, if we're outsourced, you know, like things like that. Exactly. Visualize it as numbers that are more real. I'll ask them for 20 hours a week, but you're going to want full service. You don't want just traffic control. No, I mean, we would want something very similar to. Well, that's what I'm going to ask. What would they offer us? Additionally, then just. Well, not just top. Not just can the office is the number, but can they actually. Can they give us the service? Like it's one thing to quote 60,000. If you can't get. Yeah, how works. Yeah. Can they fill it? Did you have a question? Yeah. If we're going to have this constable. Two things. One has the town re-voted. Is it time for the town to re-vote on a constable? And two, I remember that there was, we've talked about getting the stats. From Roger that he puts into the police so that we know, do we know what's really happening in Bethel? What's really, when it comes to policing, do we, do we understand what's happening? Like, is it more traffic, more drunk driving? Do we know, do we know where we need. We're a constable the most, what we need them for. Yeah. So we did fix that glitch. Oscar worked with the state because the equity and inclusion committee brought that up, that they were behind. And so Oscar worked that out with the state and put that data in. And the constable is appointed by the select where there's, and so he, it doesn't appear to be an annual term. He's just appointed until, I don't think you gave me, it's not have a term. I guess he's just appointed until they, on appoint him or make a different change. But basically we're just looking for numbers. We're thinking about what the budget is going to be. So because we're not getting, you know, residents are not getting the level of service they deserve now, or that are budget for the VSP is tapped out. They can't help. So we're just looking at the option of. Hiring, you know, Windsor County sheriff to see, or to contract with them to see if they can even give us 20 hours a week. And if they could, what duties could they do? Because right now. Yes, Oscar takes phone calls on his off times and, you know, he, you know, he's doing the best he can. Justin is also on mandatory over time. So he's part of the Rutland County Sheriff's department. And as we've said, VSP is running into a shortage. So it's, it's, so for instance, or, you know, we just got our budget status reports through July. So, so out of the 80 possible hours of service that we have budgeted for in July, we only use 25. So. And then the other question that the board. We were talking about last time of leave was, you know, do we, because we haven't tried in a year or two, like, do we. Might not even get anything, probably won't get anything, but do we, do we put the job back out as 20 hours for a console? You know, in your opinion, is that a good or a bad thing? I have an in your opinion, is that a good or a bad thing? If we're talking about a console and we budgeted for 80 and we only use it for 25. Do we need more than that? Or. You know, I mean, do we, you know, we're getting out because we budgeted for 20 hours a week and we're, and we're lucky if we get seven hours or we're lucky if we get three to seven hours a week and we do get a lot of calls at the town office and constables also the dog off, you know, dog warden and, but we do get a lot of calls and we've had a lot of complaints about speeding and that's kind of, I'm sorry, James. We'll get right to you. So it's, we've started to get a bunch of, and this, and this was right before Oscar came on right at the end of. Mark. Mark. Because towards the end of Mark's thing, he had really dialed down his hours before he had left us and, and that was the main complaint that we had, especially in Pleasant street, remember all the traffic coming around the corner and church street. And so we're starting to get those same complaints again. We've also, Lenny, I don't know if you made the last meeting, but we had some vandalism issues around town that has spired up again. So we had some damage done to some. Park areas. And. And the shooting range. And yeah. Yeah. So we've had a few things that have. Spired up here. Not, not to mention that, you know, in the old, I'll say the old days, but, you know, before, I mean, it was likely that you would see the. Gospel maybe pop in. I granted the high school is not here anymore, but would pop into the basketball game for a half an hour, just to, you know, see how things were going or technically, they're supposed to be here for, you know, town meeting or, or select war meeting. If somebody gets rambunctious, you know, and we say Brian, we're going to have to take you out tonight. But so, so we have all those little functions that. We forget about that, you know, that we don't have any covered John right now. And we just don't have that every day, you know, somebody to talk to, to bring your problems to, or help help fill a solution. So I think it's found. I was going to, you know, on, on the discussion on, you know, availability of. Policing. Not enough police out there to police the communities. Has anyone brought into consideration the. Yet to be discovered workload. When the cannabis stores will open and et cetera, et cetera. I mean, it's a town looking at there might not even be that resource even available because they're going to be pulled into now police. The unexpected. That no one knows at the moment. Right. Because it's so vague. I mean, very vague and even the state themselves are behind on. Trying to even delegate what kind of ideas to. Put out there for different towns and so forth. Well, we haven't voted on ours yet. So. We'll vote on it. So technically in Bethel right now, you, you can't open a. Retail. A retail sales place. Yeah. Budgeting. Basic things like the vandalism and. Yeah. Where that they're not even. That available because they've been now pulling to support that town that did vote for a store. And now they're seeing they increase their budget. Just because of that. Yeah. And that's exactly what we're seeing right now is the, the individuals that used to want to be a part-time gospel or had a split thing. Are now at a full-time job. You know, And every agency is looking for people and. No, and that is a thought that topic is big because we don't know. I attended one of the. Classes that they had about it. And it's, you're going to need another board. Like the select board or the water commissioners, sewer commissioners, cemetery commissioners, or also the local liquor control. It's okay. So who's going to be on the board to oversee the, the licensing and all that retail establishment. Oh, and it's, and it's, you know, for like what 20 bucks a year. I mean, that any sort of licensing and fees are going to the state. So it's tough, but. State makes that on close. If the interest. Yeah. Yeah. When it comes to speeding, have we, I know there was discussion before about alternative, other alternatives to either assist or to take the place of. Has any more discussion happened on that? Like speed bumps, traffic cams, this. Things like that. Is there any more discussion happened on that to sort of help curtail that. The speeding issue, because I know the speeding is an issue. I've seen it. Yeah, it is. Well, yeah. Cause you were to the bank. You had a good, you had a good, a good view of that when you worked in Bethel. And yes, in the budget that was voted that we're in now, we voted. We are you voted to authorize two more of the flashing speed signs like we have now. And a portable speed car. At the time, the speed cart was, I think we budget like $8,800. And it's like 10 grand right now. So we're. So it's trying to decide what are we, should we wait a little bit and see if some of these prices are going to come down. Before we order, but it was a portable speed car, which we want to put on church street. You know, people have complained about camp Brooke. Well, once we fit. Fix the potholes on Gilead. Brian will want on Gilead. So it's. No, it's. That's one of those mobile ones. Can we use some of the unused. Constable budget to offset. Yeah, we probably could. Yeah, we definitely could. We're not using all of our hours. Why, why wait on something we know. Unless you decide you're going to hire someone. Or do something different. But the challenge with the speed board. It's just, it's just that like. You initially put the speed boards up and you probably will see a very short term. Reduction in speed, but as soon as they know, there's not an enforcement behind it. Then the speed comes right back up again. So you got to have like. The constables or whoever we have needs to be working. Because I mean, we see it like in construction. We put our speed boards up. We put our speed boards up. We put our speed boards up. We put our speed boards up. We put our speed boards up. We put our speed boards up. I mean, we see it like in construction. We put our speed boards up. It's kind of like construction zone. You see the blue light and you know, they're not going to pull you over. I mean, they just sit there all day. So, I mean, people know that and they blow by anyways. So how effective are speed bumps? Do you know? Well, it would be difficult. I mean, in Vermont because you. It'd have to be a 25 or under maintenance. So you can't put them on a great, greater than 25 miles per hour. So they will work in front of the school, huh? Yeah. Nope. So the state plow comes down. Well, that's state road. Anyways, you wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I drove through it. I want to say it was Jericho. I'll be up there in, in a week and a half again. Downtown. They have the speed tables through the downtown. And I wonder if that would be, if, if that helps eliminate like you, you end up up and over them with the plow, as opposed to a speed bump. Are they removable like that? No, they're integrated. But I was a little bit, because, because I was thinking about this from the, like, the sort of downtown speed issue is like, Oh, these are right downtown. I wonder how, and maybe it's worth reaching out to it. I'll try to find out if it definitely was Jericho that I was driving. It is Jericho. Yeah. And just to see like, have you, have you noticed an improvement with this and or, or are there issues that. You know, maybe we should get ahead of and think about. So Owen has his hand up. Yep. Oh yeah. I, this is an awesome conversation. I love all these ideas. And I'm super grateful for you all thinking through. These different options. One thing that just came to mind based on what you were saying, Chris is just, I wonder if there's someone else. Like if we did go the route of. Contracting with the sheriff, the Windsor County sheriff or with BSP. If we could have someone who's filling that role that you talked about of like the friendly face that's at the school, the person that comes to select board meetings that kind of specifically represents Bethel, but doesn't wear the hat of law enforcement that might be able to connect young people to, you know, to those social services, to connect folks who are homeless to, you know, emergency beds or mental health services or whatever it is that doesn't have the title of constable. And I know that is like potentially another conversation, but I do really like the. The benefit of being a small town is that you do have that like personal connection with the town. And I do think part of our role is to connect people into. The social safety nets. Who are in crisis or who needs support. And so I'm just putting that out there as I think we could potentially meet that need without having to have a constable, no matter how this pans out the discussion. We did talk to start. You know, I think that was one of the issues that came up. I guess maybe the trooper. Or the BSP talking about, you know, social workers and, you know, because we were having a very specific domestic issue. And that was coming up and involving a lot of town staff and time and, you know, getting someone in there other than maybe a police officer, sometimes obviously the uniform is, you know, difficult for some people. But I think that the shortening was the shortage of finding that because Vermont right now is in a real crisis as far as they're very short-handed with psychiatrists and counselors. That it's a real issue in Vermont right now and have such a shortage of mental health services, which is a tragedy. And, but I think that some police, but I think that the police officers are. You know, are probably very well versed in what is out there for services. And I think it's, it's the person. It's, you know what I mean? Sometimes it's the person wearing the uniform. That's that you're looking for is somebody who is very community oriented and community minded and, and as well. Trained in community policing, but it's, it's not a bad idea. Oh, and it's just right now. I know that even the BSP, I think is having a trouble managing that as well, but. Did you have something, Dave? So I think right now, I mean, we're going to continue to have it on our topic of. Discussion for. Until we put it to bed here at some point in. November. So. It sounds like Teresa, you'll, you're going to reach out to Windsor County and see what. What they, what they could commit to and how much that would be. So what services and what hours they can commit to. You know, maybe there's maybe some way we could partner with what they're doing in Rochester, I don't know, but. And see what that route would be. You know, it also makes me wonder is that something that Owen said is, I know that. Justin is a Rutland County sheriff officer and he has the same territory. He sees the same people all the time so that he can create a real rapport. He said, he stops in it, the town clerk's office and at little stores and general stores. And so he has the same. And that's what region. So I wonder if that's something that the Windsor County sheriff. Not yet. Yeah. So that, I mean, because I just came out in the election, but yeah, that's what they're looking at doing, but. Knowing that we're in an election year, maybe we. Don't make any sort of decision until we see how the elections play out. And we're ready with a, with a few options, but then kind of get that confirmation. Or somehow we. You budget and not from either you right budget for it and either you get it, you spend it. Cause I mean, even if we agreed tonight that we were going to go a certain way, I mean, you might not even be able to find anybody, you know. I mean, change the path that we went on, voted on by the voters, you know, in times past. Because I think I think they only voted on the budget. They didn't vote on where we were going. I mean, I don't know. I wasn't there. So we don't know what the conditions that was set up for what. It wasn't. You mean if you switch from a constable to a sheriff or something like that. Yeah. Because I think when I started coming to meetings, it was another fellow with Bill Barn, River Street, Constable. Yeah. Timmons. We're going to be talking about. Yeah. So that's as far back as I go, as far as who decided what the constable is going to be able to do. You know, I think it is about, you know, what you did at the time of the meeting was. Done. You know, my guess is. Back in the day. No way. You could do it until meeting. We've been, we've been 45 minutes talking about this. You put 200 people in a room. There's five people, maybe six that need to decide the path. Tell them the path, ask for a budget, even a moment. The question is, did you, you would remember, did you used to vote so that you had a voting constable? Did you ever vote? Yes, we voted for two. Okay. So you, so you moved from voting your constable to allowing the slide board to appoint your constable. Correct. Okay. So it sounds like right now the slide board has the power to appoint. Well, check just because I wanted to make sure we do it right. Yeah, exactly. But just remember, if we go, if we go another way, we have to figure out the animal control piece of it. You do. You'd have to. So at that point, do you go to an elected animal control person or do you stipend somebody? You just usually, well, you can stipend them. You can have an hourly rate. What does Randolph do? Well, they have a budget for like $6,000. This slide board chair. Make a motion for Dave. It's an interesting thing to point out because I've actually in the last year I've had two incidences where I've found a dog wandering up Main Street with Bethel tags, but no owner ID. And my only option was to get in touch with Pam, and it's not Pam's job. Well, Nor can she then tell me legally tell me the owner's information to go find them. So then it's her getting in touch. Whereas if we had a residential animal officer who you know, okay, I have somebody I can call who can come help me address this issue where last night, I literally drove into my driveway eight o'clock at night as it's getting dark. And then I found a stray dog and had to go wandering up and down to find its owner. It wasn't ideal for me, but you know, so it's like if we had somebody that is in town, then that actually just helps. Stop stealing. Stop stealing. I will say this to you. You can tell when we stopped stealing everybody. Find an animal control officer is very difficult. There was someone who used to do it. And he used to do it. And he was a county kind of basis and. Addison County and for a while. And we ended up paying. Because we had a pound in Bristol. We paid one of the road crew guys. To be the animal control guy. But we also had police officers. So they kind of piggyback it didn't work great. Although to say Kale's. And as you'd see him in the town truck with the dog, because he'd be like, Oh, he's really. great because that was a pain but you have that contract you know with the with the country animal hospital but finding a person is tough. I don't think I'm the right person to destroy an animal in the language of the law. Well and it's not them. The suburb rules to destroy an animal not animal control officers. Still I don't think I'm the right person. Yeah it's a tough one. Okay so we'll so you'll come back to us with a little bit more. Yeah I'll ask Thunder County and then I'll look at the animal and that would be and then we also have to look at the thing is we went that route then we'd have to think about the animal patrol piece of it. Neither animal control nor traffic control are in the law saying what the constable is to be doing so we we may be hiring but I think Chris's point of your speeding is against the law and that falls into the civil or criminal process. Well I mean they don't say they don't listen specifically or yeah or I'll make a note to look for the. What's in that 12 vsa 6 9 1. Yeah I'm just yeah what's in that list. Right but they're not listing every law you could break in here. No I might say you know as the necessary you know etc etc. Yeah I'll take a look. We'll move on to the American Rescue Plan Act spending. At the last time we we made some motions there to accept the generator and the pumps so we've gone forward with that and Teresa's done our bookkeeping for us to show us what our balance looks like now. I do know that I've had two separate individuals that happen to live on the same road but have come to me in the last week to talk about gravel road issues and one had specifically said if we hopefully you guys are thinking about roads with some of this money. So so I've had two different people that live on same road but so and I think we talked about you know probably with the rest of the money trying to figure out where we can get the best bang for our buck take deal so and I was a little foggy on it was one of the questions I was going to ask you so with the different grants that we have going on I know they're confused because they all have different red tape to them yeah can we use can we use any of this money to offset our percentage of like Sanders earmark or the class grant that we have there or the water pieces or does well do they disqualify each other or something. So the Sanders piece is we can you any it's a little weird because of state money when you get a reimbursement from the state you get this letter saying how much of your CFDA is federal month funds or state funds sometimes if it's 75.63% of federal funds so the balance of that we could use towards our match. So I feel pretty good that you know especially with the rising cause of things that we would probably be able to cover most of our Sanders match with that state money because they said that we could use DWSRF money that's not federal money so um but I wrote in the amount here that it's three that's Sandhill yeah the 371,766 in local match but um because you because we accepted the money into the budget as revenue replacement I think for the most part we could use ARPA money for anything most anything but I would have to I think I would specifically have to find out for each grant. I don't know that I can for um like our better back roads those little those smaller ones I can but like the one we're going to do here the grant we got for the three to four year you know the scoping study plus the you know construction because you had the sidewalk one we have that one I'm not sure we can Christian Hill we have that one I'm not sure that may be federal money so it'd be nice to know what those options are like if you came back and said there's only one project qualifies for that yeah yeah I can I'll have to contact because we do like we were talking about before if we choose to do I don't want one of these smaller ones the money chances are it's coming out of the same pocket right that that may be just slightly a different time right so where if we know that oh we can't use it for that then then that's that creates a different opportunity all right to maybe do some of these if we can't use it for something I'll have to write just some people and find nice to know some of the rules yeah well because I'm sitting there like and then I was reading up on the water information yeah and I was trying to make the heads of tails of yeah how we call if I don't qualify or what is that that was the other thing and yeah that's the project the pump station and whatnot yeah so you mentioned as they've cut it it made it into two-second two different two different projects yeah is that either one of those projects extend out beyond crystal drive for those hydrants or east east street or any just crystal drive only it's only to do the pump station the booster station and just crystal drive the booster station itself it's that's just about the pressure yeah so it will deal with coming up of the hill and because right now um that's one of that's one of the main that's the main reason we can't add new users to the system is because we already have pressure issues there are pressure issues also with the hydrants that are black though right it'll fix yes it will deal with that yep okay existing water line there and it will place the plastic line on crystal drive so east street won't be affected but the water pressure is okay because they're down in lower grade right probably that's true I haven't seen the project is not fully designed so I can't speak to the full detail all right somebody asked me how far out it was going to extend it's not I mean it's soon it's really I think they're too high I'm gonna deal with the booster pump right there but once they fix that it should we it'll alleviate the issues off those other hydrants because it'll fix pressure for for um you know Royals Mill Road so um but it was interesting I was not aware they would divide it into two projects um but or maybe if you could find out what kind of projects the money would be disqualified for maybe that would be the easier yeah right yeah exactly like tell me which ones it doesn't qualify yeah because it sounds like philosophical thing I think I'm I'm hesitant to jump in with both feet for something uh that's quote in the budget because this is a one-shot deal um I don't know what you mean it's the ARPA well I want to use the ARPA funds as extra money absolutely and not as something that like a position I agree okay the now we sign in now we've got an ongoing commitment to keep up yes so I want to make sure that we're we're not doing something with the ARPA money that we should be doing anyway right now I can understand that that's a yeah it's about so after our last meeting and Trisha was making the point of really sort of pushing as much of this money into road improvements that we wouldn't otherwise be able to budget I was kind of sitting with this list a little bit thinking and I think one of the things that really jumped out to me and has always sort of been a surprise is that our our library is an endowed library so it's not actually town funded and that maybe that's not what we're using this money for but kind of maybe talking as a board about do we include sort of like we've done um you know I'm trying to think of a good example but like where we've talked with the entities you know whether it's the historic society or forward best committee or different town entities and kind of talk with the library and say would would it be helpful if the town every year appropriated a certain amount of money and maybe it's just a few thousand dollars but it goes back into the endowment to help support it because I think we we know and understand what inflation is doing and how things were set up where interest rates actually did help fund from endowments is not the reality anymore and as a town that is a public asset it's not necessarily town owned but can the town look at a more sustainable longer term way of supporting it and keeping it and then maybe even improving it I think that's one of the downfalls you know not not dissimilar from the um from the farmers market is users don't go because it's not very robust and that perpetuates a bad situation we're members of the Kimball library because it's better and it's stronger and I would love to be able to throw that same support behind our our library and be able to have the same resources that Randolph can offer as a bigger town here and and what that might take is more of a partnership so just something that I would hate to see this this fall off the list and we don't ever come back and discuss it because we're choosing to pump the money into into something that is an immediate need but I think this is a long-term need that we could lose a very valuable public asset if we aren't forward thinking about it they got a little bit of our money like 12 or $400 but do you think that's something they could go to the your committee well it probably doesn't fall under the umbrella but I think we just increased that budget for the library doubled up to like $5,000 or something 25 to 5 and then they kept it at that they didn't want computers and then they held it following year so I mean even though I probably that amount isn't unfortunate enough but the plight of the library is you know the swimming upstream right now it's true but they but the services they provide by having computers available for people to come in and use is an expanding area but our library isn't set up for this but the exact reason that we're members at Kimball is our library isn't hooked up to the state's digital audio library so we can get free audiobooks through Kimball that we can't get through ours and it's through the state it's something that our library could access but they can at this point they're just not they're not set up to be more in the digital era and so I think that they're even more so swimming upstream right there's they're sort of stuck in there in an older system where they could actually meet a newer generations need an interest but we're not we're not quite there yet so just kind of thinking about it from that perspective and I had forgotten that we did you could reach out to Kathy Day or Lisa Cunningham out there both you know Lisa's a library trustee and you know have a get the feel for you know see what she's what are they thinking what's their plan what's their whatever maybe they have a conversation with Kathy not too long ago but they have just recently gotten into the interlibrary loan system which is yeah and it wasn't a financial issue I don't know why they hadn't been in doing it a long time before however well they have to pay the somebody has to pay the post for shipping the books from whatever library to whatever library um but they she also mentioned that this is that this is an outlier in terms of being a private not a public library right not a publicly owned library um I couldn't agree with you more I think that that's something that a town should have but that's so in terms of the the ARPA funds could you with the commitments that we have with grants right now could you maybe do a spreadsheet up that shows yeah it's out of here that here the grants that we have and then here's the matching money we need to come up with but I did already buy that and well and well because it's not just that but I'm trying to think of like we also have to figure out as a board what we're going to do with the water right so this next project we do right now if we were to do it as is we probably would have to seek taxpayer money to do it right right you know but I'm just you know again it's kind of also look at the capital is there opportunities to offset that so you don't have to do tax you know yeah I'll also look at the capital road budget too so it'll give us a better idea of something we could take from ARPA what we can what we can't and then wear them on because I know a lot of people you know I completely understand Jean and Lindley where you guys are coming from like can we do one time things that would improve our community but we also have to accept you know understand that we're in hyperinflation right now and people aren't going to want to see their taxes go up to fund the water right so if we could offset that I mean would that be the best benefit at that point but right um yeah and I think my my argument was less on the using this this money for the library now but maybe looking as a board looking at and and working with the library to make sure that they're sustainable into the future that if their endowment really is dwindling and can't sustain them is the town is the town doing something to help and and maybe their increased budget I think I think there's an option I would just ask of mine because I would never heard anything or see financials about their my idea would be to take that library and add on to the school and make it a one big library like why wouldn't you just have one library instead of two libraries like you could make that a public public you know I'm sure there's funds out there to be used for that you know it's it's in the village area so it's not like you're outside the village area where people might not be able to access but I think there's opportunities I mean that's right well I'm just saying it's better parts all righty and then uh well phase two of the water project talked a little bit about it but so yeah this is uh okay so the draft intended use plan has come out late it normally comes out um in April and we would have had a hard no we would have had better numbers by now but it didn't so that's the intended use plan so they split our project as I outline in two pieces the well house which is the one on pleasant street the booster pump station at ac main is shown in the fundable range at 750 000 but for some reason they're not showing any eligibility for us for a disadvantage subsidy so that's one of the comments that Aldrich and Elliott is submitting to the state already has said hey why doesn't Bethel qualify for you know any disadvantage subsidy then the distribution portion is shown at 850 000 that's you know um sandhill grand street bicentennial highland ab and that is eligible for 425 000 of um loan forgiveness but because it's a lead service line so the interesting thing here is we won't actually know how much subsidy we can get until the project is over right because the lead subsidy is based specifically on construction how much we take out what we put in and that is funded 100 percent now um wane said that when tim did this last project he said he was actually pretty spot on about how much you guys had and so you know the 425 000 you know could be could be a good number for us um but again you don't know until it's over then the other thing he said was our congressional earmark might actually hurt us because he said it may reduce the amount of funding that we get on um the wellhouse booster pump portion or change our eligibility because when they calculate your disadvantaged subsidy they calculate it based on you know median income to your project costs and your water rates so if you have this other pot of money you're not that's a portion of the project that's not going to affect the rates so he said it may affect um can they calculate it either way if we use the congressional earmark or not like i'm not sure me couldn't we just say we're not going to accept the congressional earmark we probably because it's actually going to put us in a worse position but thank you sanders yeah our project come on i know it's it's it's it's unreal and again he also says that the disadvantaged subsidies calculated a year after the project down so um the project was originally slated to be a $1.6 million project it's now due to the market changes slated to be a $2 million project i don't think it'll be that high and he said in the past they were budgeting a three to four percent increase per year every time you push the project out he said they're currently budgeting eight to eight and a half percent he said that the talk in the industry is that the prices some of the prices are going to come down but it's no way it's going back to pre market prices but it's all going to come slamming down next year and then um so it seems to me that you know the things that we need to consider are right now is that we could do just a portion of the project we could just do the well the booster pump station because two reasons one is we can't add any more users and they may not take that they won't until we move into like full design and we say we're actually going to do the project maybe even have it out to bid they're not going to take that off from our permit to operate which means we can't increase housing which means we can't because we can't add any new users so maybe something becomes an apartment but if you want to build a complex not we can't so um the other thing that Wayne said is he thinks that they're you know the state he thinks will come down on us it's going to get harder for us that eventually they're going to say you have to do the project so that's something that you say well you're going to have to yeah well what we kind of went before yeah and um the other thing is too we talked about I said you know what if we put a portion of the loan payment onto the general fund and only in the users water users paid a portion and general fund paid a portion he said the problem with that is that's also going to has a possibility of also messing up our subsidy our disadvantaged subsidy because again if they're basing it on rates and median income your rates aren't going to go up that much because you're not putting all the payment onto the users you're trying to get some onto the general fund he said that could also affect your subsidy so but shouldn't he shouldn't he know like he doesn't know because shouldn't he be able to do the equation and say no with all of our experience this is the way you should do it and I'll make it up you know you should half a million of it should go under the taxpayers and the rest should be on the rate piece that's going to get you all your formulas his his experience is we should not put any of it onto the general fund he said that in his experience he's had a very hard time passing those bond boats when you tell the overall public that they're going to pay for a portion of the user fee I've done it in another town but we were also funding a municipal building and we were paying for a portion of where there was going to be a future development which would have benefited the entire town so and Wayne can't say right now because the state's months behind they should have put their draft IUP out in April and it should have had to final by June now you know so we're kind of in this thing they're not sure what they're going to do because where is the where's the Bennington money at in here yeah exactly and where they promise us that the next one will get the Bennington money yeah but we got to talk to maybe that's the 450 but I think they should make decisions before election time yeah no I want them all on the record in Bethel before election time where do you stand on this issue yeah so because they're just kicking the I made you know here too we paid off the water loan so the users could take on a $950,000 loan over 40 years and I'm guessing 4.35 50,000 a year it increased the budget approximately 7,250 or because we are paying one off but I'm not sure if there's another way that we I mean let's face it if the water and sewer department can't pay their bills the general fund end up covers them up anyways because it creates a due to due from but I feel like it's my opinion anyways that we should just keep moving forward and and move forward with a March Town Meeting Day bond vote to keep the project on track for 2023 construction because you know if the bond vote doesn't pass then whatever but you're saying putting the bond vote with with the payers being the service well remember when you vote on it customers or I'm saying put it on the users because you're going to get the best you're going to get the best subsidy if it goes on to the users and then what based on I don't know our best math we could be like last time can we come up with well I'm just I'm just for instance last time make it up X amount was supposed to go on the water user right and X amount did right because we were able to get yeah we did more than half the loan forgiven so we technically in some ways in some ways they've already approved going to a certain amount right I mean yeah that never got there so yeah I mean we right I mean everybody everybody voted for it to go up by whatever as much as $17 a quarter or something and it went up what you know six so there's still $11 there like you know no but I'm saying how would how would you say no to another project that's going to come in under the first project but you know I mean well it's the $7,250 all this time so so and I don't know what's the percentage the $7,250 is but I say we stay on track and we go to we focus on going to a bond vote at town meeting March town meeting because the whole town has to vote on it anyways because it's the whole good faith and credit of the town yes you're going to say it's going on payment goes on to the users but the entire town has to vote that's the way it was before we had like 350 yes no but we also the users the users pay for the yeah because it seems like that's going to be frankly it's going to be the best deal we can get and the other thing is too is if the water sewer doesn't make their payment their bills the general fund ends up subsidizing anyways and I'm not sure if there's a way I asked Wayne this I'm like well can't we get around this by appropriating money from the general fund into the water sewer fund and he's like I think that they'll they'll that might goof you up so we'll have to see what the deal is and so we'll have to see how that works but it's just killing you because you I'm like what do you you bust your hump you get the 600,000 and then they're going to hold it against yeah you know we're trying to get ahead and then they're saying you know well you know but we'll also know more because we'll see by the end of September October what we're going to get with the final intended use plan will give us for subsidy on that well pump you know well how so we move forward with the project we see what the bond vote does we put it out to construction if the costs are super scary then obviously we don't have to award the contract but you know it's it I also just thought of if Wayne is correct and you're looking at eight to eight and a half percent every time you kick this off the 1.62 million it's not going to get any cheaper well maybe I don't know maybe his engineering fees are going up that yeah it's not going up like that yeah so it's all going to come crashing down this winter so even if so then we're on target because if it crashes comes crashing down this winter we're in a recession has to then if it comes crashing down this winter we're still in a good place to take advantage of it right because we would be no I agree already ready for folds I guess what I would like to see is I would like to see phase one what the voters voted on phase one and the increase to the service provider and what the actual ended up being and then I'd like to see phase two right now what we what we would put to the bond vote and what that would be to the and it might be that way we can see what the total impact to the service providers would be you know and then well well we're still I'm still not going to be able to do that yet because I need to wait for the draft IUP to become the final IUP so that I know if our comment to say hey why didn't we get a disadvantage subsidy on a chunk of it I'll know more so I can do it I just can't do it until I know what the state's going to do you don't need to make any decision no I need to make a little bit on this the only thing I want to be able to tell tell Aldrich and Elliott is that we're going to move that we are moving towards a bond vote at march time meeting right I mean and I obviously I'm just one one member but I feel like that is a clear direction that we're going it's just the comparison of are we putting it on the users are we putting it on all taxpayers are we looking at some alternative but and and that's sort of I feel like where our hands are tied like the state's going to start pushing us they are force us to do this so we need to do it anyway and the show of good faith from us is look we've done phase one we're going to the bond vote on phase two like you know the other thing you could do is we could break it up we could do it depending on the subsidy we could do the wealth pump house I mean that's the part that is preventing us from adding users so I'm on the planning commission we get old so we're trying to adjust our zoning regs to increase density and then I'm telling Kevin Geiger to rivers oh yeah we can't add he's like what I'm like listen I you know we're right I'm trying to deal with it and I had already written to Dana Nagy at the state but I'm not sure you're because they don't calculate our disadvantaged subsidy until out and they've had so much change over at the state I'm going to have to once I see the IUP the final numbers I'll reach out to someone at the state and say hey if we move this on to the general fund can you give me some idea of how much subsidy we will lose because they look because I guess it's all about the water rates in the median income right side rule and advocates I figured this out so I guess I want just to know if everybody's in favor of at least heading in the direction of a march bond vote yeah I would say so put it before them so I and if we have to see yeah because I don't have any more between the water line and in our six hours of constable policing we're gonna it's gonna be a long meeting might have to advertise this one for like eight hour while meeting well well you'll need them halfway we're gonna serve dinner in the middle might be a lengthy one all right down managers report anything left on them um I did want to need to go back to our appointment and do any motion or is that just they they we're not doing anything because we can't do it I just don't want to lose that that we left our appointment kind of hanging out there oh no I they've got the information I think that Francis and Sylvia if they got the letter that I gave you they have and it says enclosed is copy outlining the rules of abatement they can write to the town clerk and I haven't heard anything from them we gave them to water filters thank um suggestions and so they didn't come or contact us so no I think you're good um so I just let's see so uh Jean you'd had a question I photocopied portions of digging deep that's the mysteries of burial and cemetery law that regarding um green and natural burials so I did put that I know they're not consecutive pages but anything that was um about that I put in there for you because you said you're interested also gave you a copy of the documents that Chris signed for um the sale of the transfer station um and yeah the wastewater plant had its renewal for every three to five year inspection um there's some new monitoring requirements that are coming so Richard and I did look at submitting a grant in hopes of offsetting some of the 15 plus thousand and and equipment costs but um the grant had closed because the state put out a grant in January for this specific 24 hour composite testing it's like a refrigeration unit and automatically draws a sample it's great but if you didn't know that the state was moving towards mandating that why would you have written a grant for it so when we finally find out the grant closed in at the end of June so we're reached out to some people to see if maybe there's more of these units available they're going to send the grant program but apparently this state was getting some serious pressure from the EPA saying look at if you don't enforce these things the EPA will start issuing the permits which nobody wants so um there is going to be some changes as some necessary upgrades but um I did want to say I had never been through the wastewater inspection in Bethel before and Richard did a great job there was a couple of things obviously that we couldn't answer um because in the past way we didn't know and the lady said well during your transition and we're like there there wasn't a transition you know he he passed away so but they were very good and and um but Richard knew just you know almost every answer that he needed to know so it was really good to see and and that he had all the information as fingertips what he knew where you know tim had labeled binders or files or whatever so um it was it was great and um but yeah there's going to be some money in the sewer budget that we're going to have to for increase in testing and some things so we'll see you know if we can find grant money to offset that but but they were happy to hear that we were replacing the pumps and doing the generator so I think that I don't think there'll be any problem with our circulation our permit operating good okay and we had the select board meeting minutes from the 8th and I had just noticed that our agenda shows August 8th for today so so you all failed I I was waiting to see if anybody's gonna catch that Paul come on it was a quiz in there Paul um it's uh the only thing I saw in the the meeting minutes and maybe maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that we had agreed to increase the stipend for the cemetery form and prior to prior to the reappointment of Cecil to commissioner so yeah I'm pretty sure we did unless we just agreed to that like unless we hadn't done it so we did it and then we specifically talked about doing that probably me because I take no yeah so if we could just Julie sends me her stuff maybe I do that paragraph yeah if we could switch those two paragraphs around move it all right so under the Cecil washburn if we can paragraph two should be in front of paragraph one so the Cecil asked for an increase in the stipend okay so make this paragraph one okay jean I think we were about to we started to and Cecil sort of he said like wait so then we talked about specifically it made more sense at the board level to figure out the stipend prior to appointing somebody all right well that's probably and that's when Dave said I you know doing it I think we should do it for this right now we said that we could do it as kind of a trial for the rest of this budget season then we'd figure out what we think it might be after that just want to make sure that people didn't get the wrong impression that Cecil was holding this hostage oh right so all right all right all right so that's what I had anything else in the minutes now I just need a motion to approve as amended so moved okay all in favor hi right and in other communications there was a bunch so planning commission energy committee uh recreational committee based on there cemetery stop do you know how the coin drop went I have no I've been sure they've been and I yeah oh what the coin drop for the rec committee was it left just last weekend or not this past one but yeah yeah I forgot all about it and I that day we drove north and I went to Randolph and I was just to get around them yeah it was yeah wait for the cost of gas I didn't I don't know and it probably small potatoes but I think I read somewhere that they're not supposed to have anybody under 16 out in the road I think it might say that and the right in the normally you know that was a very small 16 year old out there oh okay very small oh boy yeah I didn't want to you know simply say anything but I think we should mention to the folks that it says that right in the rules so I say I think I think it's right there and well when I went through there was just one fellow there and the young girl and not everybody had best we didn't have the best really had the best later when I came back yeah I did have one thing that came to mind um this past weekend and I know we've talked about before and I don't know how we enforce it but so on Sundays we have all the church parking that parks on the sidewalk and normally I don't care I know we in the past we cared because we had some damaged sidewalk that one time remember but there was an individual that was in a motorized wheelchair that was going down the side of the road rather than going down the sidewalk on Sunday so I know we've reached out to the identities on church street before about not parking on and I think legally you can't park you can't block the yeah so I don't know obviously we we've just talked about people don't enforce it but can we get a memo out to the the identities on that and just say you know we really can't have patrons parking on the sidewalk because um you know I've gone from driven by that thing a million times and there's always someone parked on it but then I literally saw this individual that was moving down the street when they should have been on the sidewalk Catholic church predominantly yeah I mean sometimes when there's big things at the white church you'll see no this was the Catholic church on Sundays it's the couch there's probably 10 cars on the side so they're actually awesome yeah they don't throw as much yeah because there's no real parking on the street right so and I know it's challenging but it's there's evidently well there's a concern raised about people up on them the cornerstone north or south of town parking on the sidewalk in front of their homes oh the south on south street south main street so yeah we've actually um the constable stopped we had that issue he would take it one time to yeah exactly he did and but um actually just like I think two weeks ago maybe so we had there was an issue there and so he did stop and the person was there and spoke to me like hey you know what you got little kids here and things so you can't be parking on the sidewalk everything needs to be accessible for strollers and handicap but I would why we can't send a nice letter to the churches because usually at the end of service they might have announcements so they could just make an announcement from uh hope that saying hey I mean it happens every week and I never and then I happened to see that I was like oh thank you and people I think two people do it because they want to be helpful and they want to get their vehicle out of the road so I think that people are doing it to be helpful so yeah yeah exactly so but I also made it a point when I drove through here on Sunday that not not to say that you want to walk as far as you need to but yeah but this parking lot was empty and the parking lot at the white church was virtually empty you know I mean so you could have you could have parked down there and walked up I guess you know but putting on accessibility so I have it all it takes us someone to make a complaint about that you know yeah true there are no no parking signs so they can park in the street yeah point so I'm looking for three flood corporate fears because Mary Floyd was out and about as she is good woman she was trying to uh get people to donate money for the forward fest so she had gone to one of the new businesses in particular down on Pevine and gets Nantucket you know perhaps yeah and they had said apparently the person there had said that they were surprised that they hadn't seen anyone from the town and so Kelly and I had this conversation I asked her to draft a welcome to Bethel letter so we put into it the town report and the Bethel operators manual so we got thinking about it we had them we have right next door is the people who took over for deans and then the lady on Main Street that does stained glass so I thought wouldn't it be nice if a select board member is one visited a business and introduced yourselves talk about it and I'll take Dana because I know her there you go way back on the day when they when they open I made a drop off another one oh right well I gave more and I think I met you know one of our meetings and it'd be nice to have somebody yeah to say welcome so I moved there like five new businesses you got a funny funny what Justin and Wright and we've done some of them and they're just barely starting to open down who's going to be able to put a package together well and that's what we did so we wrote a nice Kelly wrote a good welcome letter that we edited and then that's what we thought is as we hear about them and those were the three that we could think of Justin hasn't quite opened up yet and who is the other one you're thinking we had the stained glass just well that one I don't know oh that's okay I didn't know that so walkers out by the rush but I didn't know that so thank you so yeah that's uh meryl I think the listeners should know yeah right walker plumbing so anyway come in and take a look as you hear of these businesses coming you know if they don't need a zoning permit sometimes we don't actually know they're here at the town office so if you hear about it you know let us know and either get a packet or let us know and some one of us can deliver one because we just don't always know like I have no idea about walkers for me so thank you so much and um I'll figure that out so we can get one to them as well so thank you Paul for doing some work here in town he pumps and is it Bob not bob walker who does play the while his father might be Bob not a Rochester I don't know I'll have to I was close to you I'll have to ask so um man fuck it I'm over you're not gonna all right I'll thank you unless you want to wait like another month no we don't want to that somebody's already got all their neighbors yeah okay I'll do that and you sit in on my next school board meeting yeah no thank you um so but thank you so if you can if S and V already has one I can take one out of that packet yeah you don't need to give him a second but thank you I didn't that's nice we were just trying to rock our brains anybody else that was you know anything else to come before the board okay yeah I just want to amend the amend the agenda 803 was 803 is the end date does that sound good Dave you give me that hey all right here we were right on time 803 exactly made it