 to have you here with us, my friend. Thank you, Alex very much. Okay, so so so you wrote the papers on this. You've been an expert on this. You pointed out before we went live here, the belligerent act is really McCain's, you know, real holy grail, where if you're just belligerent, you disappear into a black hole. So now they're trying to get a piece meal. Break this down. Well, yeah, in the 2010 belligerent act, Belligerent Detention Act, he he wanted the language to read that if you commit an act of belligerence and warfare or any other act of terrorism against the United States, then you could be if you're just accused of that by someone in the executive branch, you'd be whisked away into military detention, no grand jury indictment, no trial in front of a jury or peers just taken off the Guantanamo. He didn't quite get what he wanted, but what he's doing here is getting what he can. He's attaching this making this part of the defense appropriations bill, which no one wants to vote against, or they're just, you know, described as being against the troops, and he talked to a Democrat, Levin, in proposing it, but really it's McCain's baby, and this is getting him getting what he can. What he, what he, what he's gonna get out of this bill if it passes is section 1031, the first part of it, is does apply to US citizens because it says that any person, a covered person under this action, the section is any person who was accused of participating in 9-11 or aiding those who did it, or is accused of being part of Al Qaeda or an allied group or supporting one of those organizations. And the mere accusation alone by the, by the executive branch or someone in the Department of Defense would place you under military jurisdiction and, and then give the president the option of detaining you indefinitely, sending you off to Guantanamo. It, it expressly states that a person who is under that first section can be one, detaining the laws of war without trial, and to the end of the hostilities authorized by the authorization for use of military force. And the war is never in. We're always under an endless emergency. And those, before you continue, that say, oh, well, let us get tough. Why even have America then? Because America is about due process and is about checks and balances. So you can't stage things. So people get a day in court. I mean, you know, this idea that, that due process is bad, all these people that say that, well, they should just move to another country. If they don't like due process, they should move to North Korea. Yeah, if you don't want to live in the Bill of Rights, that an article three of the treason clause, which is what this directly violates, then please do move to North Korea or China. So it states you can be detained indefinitely for the duration of the war on terror, which is to be forever. Our number two trial under chapter 47 a of title 10 US code, which is the UCMJ as amended by the Military Commissions Act. And what that means is military military tribunal military commission. And it also has a section section 10 36. Some people say, well, you know, you get a you get a right to challenge your determination. Well, it mandates in section 10 36 that if you challenge your determination, it will be a military judge that shall preside at proceedings for the determination of status of an unprivileged enemy belligerent. And it also states that you will get if you want one, a military lawyer, not a civilian lawyer, only a military lawyer. So the point is, is that is they're treating you, the American people precisely the same as if you were in a Iraqi or someone in Afghanistan in an occupied country, they're going to come into your house. Once they decided that you're a bad guy, they were or just this that they didn't want to call you a bad guy, say that I don't like Alex Jones's speech. And so they designate him an enemy combatant and accuse him of aiding al-Qaeda in some way that before you get a trial for anything else happens, they come to your door, middle of the night, kick your door in guys in black body armor can put machine gun to your face and your children and whisk you away to Guantanamo. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, stirred. It's worse than that though, because we already have the Mayak and Homeland Security reports. We got a new one yesterday where the feds are telling all local police that state rep Charles Key in Oklahoma, a great guy, and the victims, families of Oklahoma City who are investigating what happened there, they are listed as domestic terrorist. Actually, it says domestic terrorism section. It lists them and even mainline libertarian websites. We've already seen Ron Paul having American flags. So the point is, they're already teaching the police and military this, they're already saying the returning veterans, the number one enemy, you know, they sell it on its al-Qaeda. Oh, I know, of course. But the point is, is like I said, he couldn't get what he really wants. He wants that wide open definition that includes or other acts of terrorism. But what he can get and what is getting so far, the UDAL amendment yesterday to strike this provision was defeated. What he's getting so far is a definition that's supposedly narrow that only applies to al-Qaeda or those affiliated and the same al-Qaeda they've put in control of areas like North Africa and Libyan are moving over to Syria. I mean, this all rings hollow when it turns out the globalist are running al-Qaeda. What they're going to do, Alex, is what they'll do is pass this bill like it reads now and then later on say the next appropriations bill for the Defense Department next year, they'll insert a very vanilla amendment that says, insert at the end of the section or other acts of terrorism. And there you go, it'd be a wide open sweeping end of anybody accused of any act of terrorism. But even right now, all they have to do is this is the point, you won't get a jury trial, you won't get a grand jury indictment that can just accuse you of aiding al-Qaeda through some means, from some nefarious means, and then whisk you away to go on tonimo. And when you want to challenge it, it'll be a military judge handpicked by Obama, who will determine whether or not you are justified in being held. It won't be a jury. But what about the sections dealing with using the military domestically? We know for decades, they've been trying to do this. And we see Marines running checkpoints in California and Alabama and army checkpoints in Tennessee, TSA now at checkpoints around the country. I mean, they're already doing this, and they're already killing US citizens abroad. That's the other part of it. That's the other part of it is that the backdrop to this is that the Supreme Court in 2004, in the Omni decision, gutted the Bill of Rights. It's a horrible decision. I don't know why liberals keep saying it's some kind of victory for the Bill of Rights. It was nothing of the sort. I mean, even Judge Napolitano got it wrong last night in his interview with Rand Paul. You know, God bless him, but he missed it on this one. In the Omni case, the O'Connor, Justice O'Connor, for the majority, made some flowery speech about how the power of the executive branch is not limited. But she went ahead and also said, there's nothing in the Constitution that prevents the US government from maintaining one of its own citizens as an unlawful combatant. And then she said, but they have a right to challenge their determination, and they have the right to counsel. And in that decision, the only thing the liberals were arguing against back then was that Congress had not given authorization. Well, the Supreme Court ruled in the Omni case that Congress had given authorization in the 2001 authorization for use of military force, which even Rand Paul voted for. But he didn't realize they were going to use that to justify military attention. So what they've done is they've opened the door to the international laws of war being applied to the American people. And yes, as I said in my paper back in 2004, if you can detain somebody under the laws of war, under the laws of war, what else can you do with an enemy combatant? You can also just kill them on site, which is what Obama has started to do. It's all about the laws of war. The NSA spying on the American people was defended by the Bush administration as being under his powers as commander in chief to surveil the battlefield. Obama now claims the power to go ahead and just kill you. It's all very consistent with what can be done to a foreign enemy in wartime. Well, that was my next point is that if you go back to the Military Commission Act and all of that, I remember at the time covering it and having you and others on, it says citizens are exempt unless the Defense Department or people they designate say that you're a combatant and now you're basically extra judicially stripped of the rights of a citizen. So it's all these games and they say it over and over again, but what about the overall PSYOP last week and this week of saying it doesn't affect citizens even when Lindsey Graham and even when John McCain admitted it did, we see that classic military PSYOP of trying to make the debate about whether it did this or not instead of debating is this a good idea? Well, that's section 1032 and there have been some folks, even an article on the American thinker that misread that. 1032 requires military custody, but then for certain people, but then exempts from that requirement, US citizens or lawful residents for actions that are committed here. What that means is that the president must attain someone in military custody if they meet the criteria except unless they're US citizens or lawful residents and in that case, he's under section 1031, he has discretion. So all it really means is that he must attain some people, but when it comes to US citizens and lawful residents, he can do what he wants. He can he can try them by by a jury trial for criminal for criminal statutes under federal law or he can put them in military custody. It does not say that that the military trial provisions of the military detention provisions cannot apply to American citizens. It just says that he has discretion and this is something that the that I believe was the other other senator you mentioned earlier who got it right. He said, look, all it does lead up to the president and the president likes that. He is not opposing this detention policy. He's simply opposing that one section 10 and then by the way, all the presidents do. I mean, you're you know, Yale constitutional award winning lawyer. You know more about this than I do. But watching and studying it, the president then just lets the secretary of defense and then his designants do whatever you want. So people think, oh, well, this is special things just with the president. But the way I've seen this done in the past, the president then just designates it and creates his own military, Praetorian, sacred police like the SS. That's correct. This is actual document itself calls for the establishment by the Secretary of Defense. May in in in consultation, Secretary of State and Director of National Intelligence, you know, they set up their own system for determinations and it won't be done by the president like under Bush, Padilla's Padilla's and Humpty, both of them US citizens were were designated an unlawful combatants by flunkies in the DoD lower bureaucrats, not by President Bush himself. So you're correct. Incredible. Now, what about this new bill? Have you seen this new one? I've got an article here authorizing torture. Now they're not even denying that it's torture. They're just saying, yes, we're going to torture. And it goes on to say the same Senate we should today move forward with a bill allowing indefinite detention of American citizens and American soil for suspicion of being terrorist is now considering a bill to repeal the prohibitions against torture. The ACLU and another 30 organizations sent a letter to the Senate, asked them to oppose an effort in Congress that threatens to revive the use of torture and other inhumane interrogation techniques. I mean, the Nazis stirred as you know, didn't put stuff on paper. I mean, as a constitutional lawyer, as a veteran, it's just a guy searching history. Why is it a bad idea to have torture? That's like asking, why is it wrong for Mr Sandusky to rape children? I mean, you know, why is it wrong to put children in barbecue pits? But I mean, why is it wrong to have a government that secretly arrest people and has dungeons and tortures people? You know, why is it wrong to put babies in deep friars? Well, I mean, the founders, first of all, as a matter of constitutional law, the founders put the Bill of Rights in place and also the Trees and Claws of Article 3, in particular, to stop torture, to stop compelled confessions. That's how they got a compelled confession out of you in the Star Chamber in English history. They tortured you, forced you to confess, and then they executed you for treason against the king. The founders knew that history. They also experienced, you go read the Declaration of Independence, it talks there very clearly about the cause of taking up arms. One of them is the Nile of Jury Trial. One of them is the application of a jurisdiction formed to their constitution against them. Another one is, which would be military tribunal. Another one is the application of military law to the colonists whisking them way overseas. Quartering of troops, and they've already militarized our police. I mean, that's military right there. That's an end run around Posse Comitatus. I mean, the whole Bill of Rights that the 4th, 5th, 6th Amendments and the 8th Amendment also, in particular, were designed to stop exactly this arbitrary detention, denial of jury trial, being whisked away into military custody, the military being made superior to the civilian power, the denial of the right to jury trial, which is mandated in Article 3 of the Treason Clause that tells you very plainly what must be done with an American who wages war against his own country or aides the enemy. And Scalia got this right in his dissent in Hondie. He said, look, the Treason Clause is plain. It's right there. It tells you you must try them in a court, in a civilian court for a jury of their peers in a public trial. And if they're a traitor, they're going to get executed. But I mean, here's what's so amazing. Right. And that's the whole point. That's the whole point of that is they knew that secret evidence and torture would be used. That's why they insisted on a civilian trial in open court with two witnesses to the Over-At-Act. Absolutely not one, you know, informant or something lying. Now we have secret informant testimony. I mean, and now you can't face your accusers. How much of our constitutional system has been completely overthrown? I mean, as a layman looking at this, it looks about like 80 percent has pretty much just been blown to bits. Well, if they pass this bill, it would be pretty much our enabling act. I mean, the only only thing left would be for John McCain to do an amendment that says or any other action that's considered terrorist by the US government. But really, you should see this as a declaration of war against the American people. That's how we should see it. We need to stop this right now. If we don't, Alex, I do believe that there'll be no recourse except another revolution. Otherwise, we are going to be lost. We will be put in the same position as the founding fathers were in 1775. They have been taken off the mask and told us, I mean, they can do it to your kids. There's no age limitation in this bill. They can take your children away and take them to Guantanamo and hold them for the duration of the war on terrorism on the mere accusation that they are terrorists. I know it sounds ridiculous, but they could do it. So why do you want to wait until it gets done to you, the American people? They're telling you already what they're going to do. They're declaring war on you. John McCain is a traitor. Every single one of them that votes for this. Lindsey Graham are all traitors that come to treason against you. And I don't use that term lightly, but they are declaring war and waging war on the American people. And so far as I'm concerned, if they pass this bill, it's put up a shut up time for the American people. Either you're going to fight another revolution or you're going to be slaves. Well, Stuart. At the beginning of the show tonight, I said to the viewers, I said, I'm never somebody that shoots my mouth off about violence. I want to fix things peacefully. I'm into the info war. And I've studied history. It's it's engrossing. I'm obsessed with it. And unfortunately, I had to tell viewers at the beginning that people do need to go ahead and prepare for defense because this is a declaration of war against the American people. They've set Northcom up. They've set up the National Police Force. They've set up the secret police. They've tell us tortures good. They say they'll arrest us for no reason and throw away the key. I mean, these are hitlerian Stalinistic declarations. And we would be fools to not listen to them. And and and and now they're taking people's private bank accounts. I mean, it is if the gates of tyranny have been open against us and and and and it's always dark as before the dawn. I hope this gets turned back. But if there was ever any doubt about the drive, the mindset, the makeup of Lindsey Graham and and and people like him and and John McCain, I mean, these are modern day tyrants. I mean, these people really are would be Kim Jong-il's. And I know you've never talked like this on my show. I probably interviewed you 20 times. I've seen hundreds of speeches you've given and you're just being honest or you know, it's not fun as a broadcaster and a talk show host to get up here on air and because I know the danger and but you but the truth Veritas is paramount and they provocateur. They want violence. We don't want it. But if they do start disappearing people and stuff, my God, we're just entering an area of the ball game where they want to force a confrontation. I mean, clearly, Stuart, you see just like the arrogant redcoats, you know, did 230 something years ago. They're trying to push a confrontation right now. Well, there comes a point, though, as Patrick Henry said that where you have to realize that the fight's going to come and if they're telling us what they're going to do. I don't see them giving up this power or relenting unless they're forced to. And yes, there's a thin chance we could do it through politics. But look at the vote yesterday on the Udall Amendment, which Rand Paul joined in co-sponsorship of. It was defeated. So the majority of the senators and almost every single Republican except for Rand Paul and a bunch of the Democrats also a bipartisan assault. The majority of them want this. They think it's totally fine to hold American citizens indefinitely without a trial or try them a military tribunal and execute them. They think that's great. And so, you know, so far, politics has failed us. And really, I think that once you have this this act in place and they start to use it, then you then you're talking about, you know, having crossed the Rubicon and now you're like 1774. You're on the eve of conflict. That's where you are. And the only real question then is a matter of time and how it's going to go and how you maintain the moral high ground, which our founding fathers did. I do urge people to take a very close look at our history. They were pushed again and again and again until they finally had to fight back because they came for their weapons. And that's what's gonna happen in this country. If they pass this bill, the next step will be, they put all the pieces of the puzzle in place and then they need an excuse or a pretext. If you talked about many times, then there'll be a domestic terrorist attack or something like that will happen and they'll start rounding out people. When they get to that point and it starts to happen, you will have no recourse but to fight. Same place that Soltanetsan was in when he talked about how they burned in the camps later, lamenting the fact that they waited and they did not fight back. That's where we will be. But we're not Russia. We're not Germany. We're not in Nazi Germany. Good little Germans. There is a sizable portion of the population of this country who are not gonna take it and who are gonna fight back. Well, Stuart, you're right. And the globalists have miscalculated. I mean, when you see Corazon making 40 to one bets with people's private bank accounts and this is the main economic advisor to Obama, these are mentally ill people. They've got actuaries. They've got think tanks. They've got political scientists telling them what moves to make but they're not gonna be able to carry this out. There is at least 30% of the population that when they see others overrun and arrested and then tortured and trotted out all drugged up, could be you, could be me, who are gonna go off. I wanna tell the military and police, the globalists are gonna sit offshore and watch you get chewed up in a fight with the American people. It's very important that police and military really make a decision now which side they're gonna be on. Because this is a decision for all the marbles, their family, their country, everything. The tyrants we have running things, I've studied the different tyrannies, is so absolutely wicked and hateful. I mean, it's not some boss on corruption, Stuart. Your comments on that. No, you're correct. And that is their Achilles heel. And that's why I founded Oathkeepers. The military, you're right. Choose now who you shall serve. Either you are, I'm talking to the military out there especially, either you are a son of the republic and you will defend the bill of rights and the constitution. Or you are a traitor to your country and you are nothing but a lowly dog, an obedient dog to the powers that be. Choose now who you shall serve. Well, you know, that's what's so disgusting about this, Stuart. It's not fun being right. It's not fun that we've been proven correct. It's very sick and the pace it's moving is so quick and so naked now. Undoubtedly, I mean, look at Fast and Furious. They got caught shipping tens of thousands of guns into Mexico. So they had CBS release. Oh, we allowed them to be sold at a few gun shops. Of course it came out. It was drugs being shipped into the U.S. by the ATF, FBI, DEA, Border Patrol, Coast Guard, you name it, and several other federal agencies. It was tens of thousands of guns not just shipped out of the country but to Honduras, Mexico, Illinois, Indiana, Florida, to gangs that were killing other gangs. And you find out our government literally is a mafia at the top of drug dealing criminals. And you find out they really did stage Oklahoma City. You find out they really did do all. I mean, people need to understand. I mean, we're not just sitting here demonizing people we don't like. I don't have words, Stuart, for my study to describe just how nasty these people are. And I don't think people understand. It's like you said, Schultz and Eatzen said, what would have happened if we'd have met the secret police with hatchets and pokers when they came to grab people? Half the city wouldn't have been taken to their camps. The organs of the machine would have ground to a halt in days. I mean, and when you realize the very same mega banks that funded Lenin and Stalin are funding this now, they plan to do all of what they did in the Soviet Union here. They lick their lips and talk about how they plan to exterminate at least 20% of this country. They plan to take our kids and our wives and blow their heads off after they rape them. These are murdering absolute people worse than the Bolsheviks. And I don't say that for effect. These are wanton, bloodthirsty scum and they have our flag on their shoulders. How do you deal with that? Well, I think the important thing to always go back to is our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I mean, that's the truth. That's the, and I declaration of independence and that's why they don't teach that in schools. And so I encourage, especially those in the military right now, and also law enforcement, go back and read the original documents, read the causes for taking up arms in your forefathers' revolution. You will see it right there in the Declaration of Independence. It's the same exact thing. It nothing changes. Human nature does not change. It's the same will to power. It's the same totalitarian mindset that they faced and they fought. Look at what they wrote in the Bill of Rights to stop this ever happening again. Look at what McCain and Lieberman and the rest of them want to do. And they want you to be the tool of oppression over your own people. When you see the truth, and when you see the truth and you understand that your children, your wives, your family are all in danger also, then you need to do what's right. And what's right is, as you must at least refuse, stand down and refuse to be a tool of oppression. But I'll tell you what, if they start using military force against the United States and against the American people domestically, you will have to make an even tougher choice. You will have to fight on the side of the people. You will have to make that choice just like George Washington did, just like the militia in 1775, who was the military of the United States at the time, they decided, they made the choice, they must fight back against the crown, against the national government. They had no choice. You will have the same obligation. Now, Ron Paul has talked about another possibility. Things may completely financially collapse before this happens, and that might take the steam out of these people. Well, you know, it's interesting. The very first conversation I had with Congressman Paul, when I was going to apply for a job with him, he was kind of worn down. This was back in 1998, and he said, I'm afraid that it's gonna take an economic collapse to wake the American people up, and then I expressed the concern that, well, it could lead to more oppression, like the Great Depression did. And so there is that, it's an open window, like you said before, it's a two-way window of opportunity for very horrible, evil things to happen and a destruction of our constitution and destruction of freedom, or it's an open window for us to resurrect it and restore the republic. So when this window opens, and it will, economic collapse is coming, we need to be ready to make sure that we can push it through towards liberty. We better be prepared for that. But if we're weak, if we're not morally prepared, spiritually prepared and physically prepared for it, for what's coming, then there's a chance that they could win. Describe Ron Paul back in 1998. I've been interviewing him since 1996, but I don't know him obviously as well as you did working in his office for years. You describe worn down. I mean, this is a guy that does work 16 to 18 hours a day, totally dedicated. I mean, describe for people out there what he's like behind the scenes. He's the same behind the scenes as he is on camera. That's him. He's got endurance, I can't believe that he's, I mean, I'm burnout now. I'm burnout, even after just two years of doing Oath Keepers, I'm fried, I'm burnout. And I can't believe he's been doing like this for decades, it's amazing. So he just has the endurance of, I think it's because it's calling. He understands that this is his place in history and I think he believes and has faith that in the end, liberty will triumph. Otherwise, I don't know how he could keep going on. We had people on the staff there who quit and were just so despondent what they saw back in 98. This is way before the war on terror and this other stuff, but they were already so despondent about the incredible tide of statism and government power that they were going up against and corruption. Yeah, make me cross, Stuart. I gotta tell you, I think about what this country is gonna go through, it's gonna be horrible. Well, we had the potential, we still had the potential for it to be like 1989 in Eastern Germany when the wall fell. If there's enough of an awakening in the people, you can reach that tipping point. Well, that's what finally happened there was the military refused to shoot the people trying to get out. That's right. And they all stood down all at once and without their support, the Communist Party was done. The Stasi were powerless. They all ran and hid and tore off their emblems and tried to hide in the crowds. There's a famous photo when my mom was over in Germany a few years ago, she brought me back and it was a famous photo of a family running through barbed wire and the little kid is caught on it and there's a series of them and he takes the little kid and gives it to the parents and of course they took that guy and tortured him and killed him. But that's a famous photo of the East German soldier. The people have gotten across and he goes ahead and gives them the toddler, which seems like just a normal human act, but that was his death sentence. He should have just gone ahead and climbed on through and gone with them. And we have a really good interview on our website with Günter Spenz, an oathkeeper who was an East German Lieutenant Colonel back then and he describes how back in 68 during the Prague Spring there were some officers who refused orders to fire on the crowds, they were disappeared. So that was too soon. But by 1989, so many East Germans were sick of communism including in the military that that tipping point was reached. And that's what we gotta do. We hopefully will have enough time to hit that tipping point of 80%, 85%, 90% of the population who is sick and tired of the illegitimate governments over us and they will, it'll be like a paper tiger. But see, with the communists in East Germany they had one party, here they've got two that are really the same party and they have this fake fight. That's how they keep us fighting with each other. How do you break through that? Well, I think once again you realize like this bill here, whenever you hear the word bipartisan you should realize what that means is it's a bipartisan assault on the bill of rights. So they're both doing the same thing. This is, Levin is sponsoring this bill. McCain really helped him write it but Levin, the Democrat, is sponsoring this bill. So you have both Democrats and Republicans and then you had Harry Reid yesterday move for cloture which is to limit the debate on the bill which will stifle a filibuster. They know that Rand Paul is gonna filibuster. So that's the thing is when you look back at the bailouts, that was overwhelmingly bipartisan. Look at the domestic, what's called the violent radicalization Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act that was sponsored by Harmon, a Democrat. That was also bipartisan. Military Commissions Act, same way. Patriot Act, same way. That's how you break through that is to realize that whenever they decimate the Constitution it's done through bipartisanship. So that's why, like you said it's one puppet master with two hands, a left hand and a right hand. They're both being run by the same people. And look, follow the money. Where's the money go? International bankers. That's who's running our government. My God, they're openly announcing world government now run by megabanks that took over through fraudulent paper and the people that engage in the fraud are the ones being, the media says are the heroes because they're owned by the same crooks and then when we're proven right we don't get patted on the back. It's like, how horrible, you know? It's just incredible. You know, earlier when you were talking about all of this happening and everything I literally sort of have tears come out of my eyes and not even a sobbing way and involuntary because that's your brain giving you endorphins so it's not too painful. I mean, that's literally what it is because I realize my God, America the only place we've got to live is now an example of evil worldwide and we're gonna go through this. I mean, it's the realization that we're gonna have to go into the first few circles of this hell and then a lot of people we've warned are gonna get activated after it's really naked and after they really experience the fruits of tyranny but we had it so well here that people don't recognize it as the oxygen's being sucked out of the room and just myself having the deep realization. I mean, it's almost like levels of realization. I know how real this is but then more and more every day it hits me it's really real and you can, especially if you've read all the histories of this country but others but the founders, how they kept having debates and it kept getting more and more real and the abuse got more and more real and they went and begged, please stop doing this and the system said, no, we're gonna do more and then it just leads to it and I guarantee it's gonna be the same way. There are probably over 100 million God owners in this country and if one, they say it's more like 150 million if 1% actually fights back that's a million and a half people and I mean, there's no way to beat that if it's done in an asymmetrical way and I'm certainly not dreaming of it going there it's just that I don't think the minions of this system realize that all their high tech spy gear and all their black uniforms are not gonna protect them from an enraged population but again, I don't want them to be chewed up. I want them to recognize they're working for total criminals. I mean, my God, look at the mega banks that run everything, all the crimes they commit. It's a bunch of Bernie Madoffs. I mean, it's ridiculous. Well, that's the silver lining for us is that the more ridiculous they get the more the legitimacy is torn away from them and rightfully so and the more they're revealed for what they are which is fraudulent, unconstitutional, unprincipled and totally the opposite of the founding fathers and that's the whole point. If we can wake up enough police and military to that reality, then we will win because they will not have the tools to do it and so that's what we have to work on. We can't sit on our butts though and rely on that. We got to get ready ourselves. Like you said, you know, to be blunt we need to prepare for the very worst and what that will mean is asymmetrical warfare like our founding fathers in the Southern campaign had to fight, you know, Francis Marion and the swamp fox, the over mountain men who defeated the loyalistic Kings Mountain. All of that is an example of what will have to be done and this country will be like Afghanistan. I don't not saying I'm trying to compare Americans to the Taliban or anything like that but the point is, is you will see a resistance like that. You will see that kind of a hardcore resistance in the United States, but it is my hope and prayer that it can avoid doing that by having enough of the military and police side, simply side with what's right. Side with the Constitution, side with the Bill of Rights side with the Declaration of Independence and do what's right. If you think that we win. Let me just ask you this final question. I don't know if you've seen Rotority but I'm gonna do a piece next week or something with it because it's a 10 year old film that came out right after 9-11 and it's footage that I was sent by police and defendants and others, but I have FEMA in Kansas City saying, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or terrorist, America's bad, all this, I mean, and you think you're watching a Monty Python movie. It's not a joke though. You know, like an absurdist police state where they say breathing is evil, you know, and the police are there agreeing with it. And then I have sent to me months later that was in Kansas City from Virginia, Abby Newman pulled over at a checkpoint. They want a sergeant, she says no, they grab her out, she doesn't resist, they charge her. And then they find a Harrison Ford video. She'd rented it and it was Patriot Games. The word Patriot freaks them out and they don't even know what Harrison Ford is. I mean, it's like a joke. I mean, it'd be funny if it wasn't. Like you're watching this from their squad car as they dig through her trunk 10 feet away with Mike's on. And the supervisor's talking to him and they go, she's got a pocket constitution. And they're going, oh my gosh, this is horrible. I can't believe she's got this and they're like, is this legal? And they're going, oh, I can't believe, and they're acting, I mean, for me, that'd be like somebody who'd been in a North Korean brainwashing camp for 20 years who'd been tortured every time they were shown a constitution. I mean, how did they find, these are like rednecks. How did they find men who are, I mean, I don't even believe this is real is what I'm saying. It's so alien that obviously they've sworn an oath to this. This is what America's based on. This is why we're supposedly special and they're a restsome woman and a veteran, no criminal record, a checkpoint because she has a constitution. I mean, and they have to have a debate about is it allowed? I mean, for people that haven't seen the video, it's online, it's for everywhere. People get the DVD from us, it doesn't matter. The point is, is that these guys are under mind control. How do they get them to this point? Well, public school. I mean, look at the Occupy people, look at the ignorance displayed there. Look at the, like Adam Kokish went out and interviewed some of those people and asked them basic questions. You know, look at the stuff that Jane Lennon does when he goes and talks to people on the street. They don't know who he fought in World War II. They don't know why we fought in World War II. They don't know, there's ignorant of our history. And this is the product of public schools. And so, yes, you have ignorant people, both in colleges, you have ignorant people in the Tea Party who support what McCain's doing right now. They support what Bush did when he was gutting the Constitution and wiping his rear with it. And you have cops who are ignorant also. It's a product of public schooling. That's why we have an ignorant population. Yeah, they don't know what the document is. They don't know it's what they swore to. And so they've been taught by the ADL Southern Primary Law Center. We got the mad that it's bad. They tell them, Constitution cop killer, cop killer. That's what they tell them in the drills. People that talk about the Constitution want to murder you. So they're like, oh, we found it. I mean, if it's still, they're that dumb? Well, that ignorant, I wouldn't say they're dumb. Yeah, they're ignorant. You're right. They're just purely ignorant. Liking and knowledge. And so this is why the truth is the answer. It's an antidote. One drop of truth is an antidote to a whole bucket of nonsense. And so we have to keep spreading the truth. But the question is, is will we have time to reach them all or will we run out of time? Last thing I want to do is have to fight against people who think they're doing the right thing but are doing the exactly the wrong thing. And that would be really just a horrible, horrible future for us. Well, well, they're not just tasering and beating innocent people, though. They'll get them to start thinking a little bit. But you know, Stuart, looking at this, as you said, humans just repeat the same thing over and over again. And now it's happening here. I mean, it just goes to show that if a bunch of wild frontiers, people that were in constant wars were being bullied around by the Red Codes, what's gonna happen to a bunch of fat, dumb, and happy people who think everything's fine? Of course, crooks took over. Of course, they're gonna try to set up the worst tyranny possible. They've committed a lot of crimes. They've got to secure those crimes. If there's a peaceful revolution, they're all gonna go to prison. That's why they want violence. That's why I think we should try to avert it at all cost. Well, until the point is reached where you reached the Sultanasian point where you should have resisted and you should have fought back because you're gonna wind up in a camp. And so I wouldn't say avoided at all costs. I'd say it's a last option. Well, no, I'm saying I'm saying at all costs up until defense. Sure, they're driving around in black trucks grabbing the Patriots. I mean, you know, obviously. And here's the point I wanna make to John McCain and the rest of them. It's a two-way street. What you're doing is sticking your arm on a badger hole because when you strip away the protections of the Bill of Rights from the American people, like you said earlier, Alex, there's a 30% of the population who is awake and aware. And they're not going to wait for you to just come get them in the middle of the night. They're going to consider you, John McCain and Senator Leven, the rest of you. They're gonna consider you to be what you consider them, a military enemy. And so if you open that door and leave them no protection, no security, no knowing that they have a chance to face their accusers in a trial before a jury of their peers, if you strip that away, what you're really stripping away is the last reason they have to hold back. You'll have given them no recourse. And that's what I worry about is that more, you know, when they reach that point, it's gonna open that door and we will be shoved through and have no choice. Well, the reason you're right is I've had to think about this. And at the moment they're going around like the NKVD grabbing families and stuff, I mean, you don't have a choice. And then you don't just wait and deal with the stupid steroid thugs that come. You know, it's the criminals giving the orders that have to be brought to justice. Well, that's what's rule B. I mean, King George was across the seas. The current crop would be tyrants as in Washington DC, they're on our own soil. And so in that sense, it'll be a little bit different. I don't wanna say much more than that. But the point is is that they're opening a door that it goes both ways. If they're going to treat the American people like an occupied, conquered civilian population like Iraq or Afghanistan, then the American people will treat them like occupiers. They will treat them like a military foreign occupiers. They will be treated the same. Well, that is what's happening. I mean, they are saying we're occupied by Northcom. We're the enemy. And as Lindsey Graham said, yes, U.S. citizens are targeted and America's a battleground. And he's this little, I don't even wanna say a feminine because women aren't weak like that, this little nally, pasty creature. But then McCain is actually a veteran and has been under the Viet Cong tyranny. I mean, to watch him, he really is a piece of trash. He is, whatever, I mean, he's long ago abdicated and he didn't deserve any respect at all whatsoever for anything he did in service because he's betrayed his oath. I consider him a traitor. And like I said, I don't use that term lightly. He should be tried for treason and then suffer the sentence. Well, it is treason to overthrow habeas corpus, everything. And this is the hallmark of a tyranny. Last question. This is the last, is we're at 45 minutes right now and I know you're busy and we've got some financial news coming up as well. Talking to the members and the folks that are involved with Oath Keepers, the police, the military that you talk to, what is their sense of what's going on? Most of them that I talk to are concerned that we are in the last breath before the plunge. Quite a few of them are concerned that that's where we are. We're on the edge of the chasm and they're very concerned that we're gonna cross and have no recourse, but to do the same as our founding fathers and they don't wanna do it. They don't want it. But that's what they feel. I talked to them across the country and they're just extremely, look at this. In some part of the law center, I'm trying to say we're all conspiracy theorists. This is, I encourage everybody to go read my paper and then go look at what's happened since. I read that in 2004. I predicted what's happening now. It's legal, it's right there in your face in Supreme Court cases. It's right there in bills in front of Congress. The president is doing it. He's executing American citizens with his own secret list. It's happening. And you are in exactly the same place that the founders were in 1775. That is where we are and people understand that. I think more and more Americans are starting to realize that. Now the difficult question is, is then what do we do? How do we proceed? How do we stay moral? How do we stay in keeping with our oaths? And yet also defend liberty. How do we do that when the government itself has become the enemy? And I think the answer has to be in state sovereignty and that's what the founders did. When the government that was over them was so illegitimate that they separated from it, that it was, it was destroyed. That they destroyed the British constitution. It was gone. They resorted back to being sovereign states and then they erected a new government, the Arles Confederation and then our constitution. So I think the same thing has to happen here. If the federal government declares warning American people on this dang bill, we should say, okay, fine. You have destroyed the constitution. You have destroyed the compact. We are now, again, sovereign states. We will stand on our state sovereignty. The military should then put their loyalty to the governors of the states, not to the president. Well, by the way, they saw that four years ago in the John Warner Defense Authorization Act. It had language in it about the state governors, if they were insurrection or those populations and how they were gonna make a 10 region governor deal, which they've now done. So the system is even war-gamed all this out. Then the megabanks that took over the federal government has actually war-gained how to conquer us. But again, this is by people that make 40 to one bets with their own, with people's private accounts. I mean, they're nuts. I mean, they're crazy like a fox, but still they're nuts. Well, they still have that Achilles' Hill. The weakness still is that they're relying upon U.S. servicemen and women to obey their orders. And if we can show them the proper course, which is to put their allegiance at this, I mean, if the federal government destroys the Constitution of Politi, which it almost is right now, then they should put their loyalty. I don't wanna say military coup, that'd be very dangerous. They should put their loyalty to the states. Just like Washington never established himself as the new king, he was subordinate and obedient to the revolutionary Congress. That's who he obeyed the orders of. Always the military was subservient to the civil power. The same thing will have to happen. Even in the midst of a revolution, the military must not take upon itself the power to govern the people. They must be subordinate to, you know, at least the civilian leadership. Amazing. All right, Stuart Rose of Keeper.org will be talking to you more in the future as they try to pass torture bills, secret arrest bills. We need to really get ahold of the Senate right now, though. There's been so many psalms. First, they said this wasn't in there. Then, oh, we've passed it, but they hadn't. They're really pulling out the stops to try to get this. And we need to contact the Senate and let them know that we're aware of their criminal activity and that everybody's going to campaign against them and speak out against them and more. Thank you, Stuart. Thank you, Alex. Wow, folks, they're moving to censor the internet in 100 different ways. We've covered it. We've talked about it. They're moving to try to shut down domains for no reason. Internet kills, which is all of that, because these criminals know they're in trouble. And that's what's so dangerous about them is that they've committed so many crimes and given energy companies half billion bucks that they knew they never used and guns to Mexico and everything that think of what they'll do next. I'll tell you, it's going to be stage terror blamed on domestic groups. So that's why I say never offensive violence because they need that, they use that to look like the victim as an excuse to attack the public. I almost go with the Gandhi view at the first phases that imagine if they blow up and burn down some more churches how that'll boomerang against them. But I understand it's immoral to let them do that. It's just that from a psychological warfare position using the truth, I see about taking more of their abuse as really discrediting them. Next time I talk to Stuart, we'll talk about that. I mean, it's a wider debate. Or is that a cowardly delusion? Well, it's not a cowardly delusion or we wouldn't even be here talking about this. We'd be here serving the evil and cuddling up to it. It's just that once the genie's out of the bottle, these globalists are going to sit off sure while the American people kill each other. I want to try to avert violence as long as we can and I want to avert the globalist staging events like they've done to try to demonize those of us that are away to their criminal activity. So we've got to be one of the wisest serpents and peaceful as doves. But again, like you said, with the solchanites in situation, you cannot let them drag you and your family off to the FEMA camp when you've done nothing wrong. I mean, they're trying to train you now to pepper spray in the face and tassure you to death and beat you in the head for no reason and they now say that even if the baton bounces off of your head, that's a form of assault. I'm serious, you're not allowed to cover your face when they're kicking you. That's assault. I mean, it's becoming sick. And, you know, these cops and people will be judged by having their future destroyed by the globalist. But still, that's not enough. We'd rather wake them up and we'll try. But this corruption is just surpassing all reason. We're going to come back with another interview on this extended edition of M-Fall Wars Nightly News, PrisonPlanet.tv. You are living history right now, ladies and gentlemen. Don't say you are one.