 right on time too. All right, I think we are live. Hopefully everyone can hear us. Because if this has problems, again, we're just going to record the podcast and say screw the live thing. If anybody's actually in the chat, if we could get yeas or nays on the audio, so Tyler, you'll probably have to say some words. Well, here's me talking. I can say I did on mute the stream for a second. And you sound just fine. Good. Excellent. If we had had problems with audio again, I would just shoot my computer. Screw this. I'm going to windows. It's like a horse with a broken leg. You just you just walk it out back in the back in the field. 50 cow, you know, just take care of the problem. OK, so as much as we were bitching about pipe wire, there's plenty to bitch about when it comes to pipe wire. My particular problem was not pipe wire. My particular problem was the flat pack version of OBS and what exactly it was doing. I don't know. Like I don't get it, but switching to the regular plain vinyl arch repo version fixed the problem. So now the pipe wire thing is now if I open like if I open up Paul Paul's mixer here, it's still showing weird inputs like the it's still showing my deck as an input. I don't know what's going on with it. I have a feeling that's just because because the way Arco's Arco's using pipe wire on top of Paul's. So it's doing some weird shit. But I did end up having to reinstall pipe wire. Because did you know the MPD has pipe wire as a hard dependency? Like you can't install MPD without pipe wire, at least on arch anymore. I don't know that because I don't use MPD. What is MPD? Is that a player? It's a music player demon runs in the background. You can use it to stream to different front ends. Well, Seamus would solve all those problems. I can't stand Seamus. Well, I just don't like it. I don't like the I know you can theme it and shit, but it's just always seemed like too much work when I've already put all the work into MPD and NCMP ZPPP PPP PPP PPP PPP. Well, the problem with that is is that is the sunk costs fallacy right there. You spent time on MPD so you don't want to move away. Like, some are plenty of people that are really deep in a scams that use that same entire coming up. I mean, I know they're not doing anything with the project and it's practically dead. But I've already spent 800 bucks. So if I put another hundred dollars in at the very least, I mean, hopefully something will happen. It's like, no, just go spend it a hundred dollars somewhere else. You know, just spending your time on the nice stuff like CMOS. That's just easy. Or what's the other one, like the really ridiculous one with a crazy name? I think you said it earlier. And CMP CPP. Yeah, like all that shit. Yeah, I already have that set up, dude. I use it. That's what I use. It's a front end for MPD. Oh, really? Yeah, you can't use it without MPD. Oh, did not know that. At least as far as I know how much I use it. I've just heard about it. I've heard people say good things about it. It is. It's it's good. And it's easy to set up once you have MPD set up. And I say at a hell of a time getting MPD set up because you have to worry about ports and all that shit. So you got to really read the instructions, which I'm not good at doing. So it took me a while. But eventually I got something. Now I just go and copy the same config over and it's done. I don't have to worry about anything. So I actually do need to do some more setting up with CMOS. I also need to download like my music library again. You need to download download because you're. Why do you need to download? Why wouldn't you already have your music library download? Oh, you mean like an it's it's in the cloud backed up. So what? Oh, no. Oh, no. Oops, I just remembered it's not. And I'm going to have to get all of that legally acquired music again. I have like probably 40 copies of my music library because every time I do an R sync backup, it copies over the whole file again. I really need to write a script where I'll ignore that, but I've just been too lazy. I just imagine like you've got a hundred like when people look at your like music files on your computer and you're like, oh, my God, this is a massive collection. And they go through it's just like 10 times duplicates. Well, I mean, they're in different backup. Like all my backups are done by year and month. So they're in, you know, in their different places like that. But it is about 50 gigabytes worth of stuff. It's not organized worth a damn. Oh, shit. Yeah, I'm not I'm not that aggressive with my backups yet. I used to do one every night at midnight and then just deleted the delta backups. But I haven't been doing that lately because I've been hopping too damn much. Like I've hopped like four or five times in the last couple of months. Not nearly as much as you hopping, obviously. But nobody nobody. I've got new information about open BSD. I might not be hopping too much. I will make bets again. That sometime within the next couple of weeks, you will switch away from open BSD. I mean, there's always the shit. Now, I do have to go ahead and preface that with I am going to be installing open BSD on my other SSD, like this one terabyte will keep windows on it. Just because it's the bigger drive, I can I've got games downloaded to it and so my because I've got my like 14 terabyte just unplugged now because it's a backup drive. And yeah, I mean, it makes it's a 14 terabyte drive. So it makes like hella noise when I know mine does exact same thing. And it scares the living daylights out of you. You hear that thing grinding like there's stones and they're moving across from each other. Like, oh, my God, it's going to fail and I'm going to lose all my data and I'm going to die. It's so bad. Holy shit. And the thing is I thought that it was just Western digital. So I bought a Seagate drive. Seagate drive does exact same thing. It's really weird and it's stupid because like the the two terabyte ones I have in my computer don't make that sound like they just make the regular hard drive sounds, but that 14 terabyte one sounds like it's like a bulldozer going across, you know, concrete. It's it's genuinely scary. Yeah. So I've got that bitch unplugged, but I'm going to install it on a separate NVMe drive. So just in case you see me on Windows again in the future, it's not because I've stopped it's just because I switched out the drive to play games. That's it. OK, sure. Also, the cool part is is I've been getting like really addicted to open R.A. and open R.A. works like that's like Red Alert, Dune 2000 and Tiberian Dawn or whatever. But that, oh, my God, I've been getting addicted to that. And that, of course, works on OpenBSD just fine. Ram Deshram, I'll answer your question once we start recording. We're going to talk about it. Um, that's that's Robert. He paid. He's the one that paid me money to install. I have thoughts and there will be a video next Monday about my overall experience. Don't worry. I have things to say. A pre-hensive video. I like it. It's going to be a video. Now, whether or not that video will be from Gentoo, still don't know yet. We'll see how that goes. As of right now, it would be impossible for me to record a video from Gentoo. Oh, and apparently someone asked, no, I'm not vaping THC. LSD. Oh, dude, I got, well, OK, I shouldn't have had that reaction because now there's definitely like five people who are convinced that I'm smoking LSD right now, which is nuts. But TFL, I got him interested in LSD, not the drug. The the LSD deluxe, because I don't know. We were talking in chat. I think somebody was talking about EXA or whatever. And TFL started asking about LSD. If anybody in here does not know about LSD, it is the best forever. Like if if you think LSD in directories is a little boring, get LSD. It's so good. I use EXA. EXA is good, but I prefer LSD. It's written in rust. So, of course, it's good. Precisely. I mean, if it's written in rust, it has to be good. You could write a a a a DD destroyer for your computer and it'd be a good DD destroyer, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Why come in here and tell us you have LSD. That's good. All right. Yeah. Now, there's going to be comments on this channel about how so I heard that you've been peer pressured into using drugs. It's like, no, just say no, TFL. Just say no. That's so good. Well, are we about ready to get started? Yeah, I'm just waiting for a couple of minutes. A couple more things I'm waiting for my computer to finish. That's what I really wanted to hear because I may or may not have audacity installed here. You go do that. Of course, the next week, you won't even be able to use audacity because it doesn't exist on OpenBSD. It does? Yeah. Why didn't you use it that one time? You're. I'm assuming because you were probably you use the terminal thing to record your the last time you're on BSD. I remember that. I don't remember what's called a kitty or. Oh, you mean FFM bag? You use something in the terminal. Oh, all cat. I knew it had something to do with the cat. She'd be proud of me. Yeah, I did. I did do that one one time. I don't think it was the last time because I'm pretty sure the last time that we recorded the podcast, I was on OpenBSD. I did record it with audacity. But OK, so is O is OBS on on BSD? Yes, it is. But it is very much a work in progress. As I haven't tried it yet, but from everything that I've heard online, it's it's not really there's a lot of features that are in even Debian's build of OpenBS of OBS that aren't on OpenBS. You know, all the B.S. You know what would make BSD like a first class citizen is if they decided to support Flatpak. Like if they could get Flatpak's right up and running. I don't know about Flatpak's, but I do know that there is an ongoing development like hustle around getting fuse working properly on on OpenBSD. That way, as long as fuse works, any app image will work. So if that happens, then a lot of software just immediately gets ported over. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like Flatpak could have a whole you'd have a whole library there. I mean, I think that's I think that's why they're targeting fuse right now in app images is only just because there's a very, very big lack of manpower behind the OpenBSD project. And that's not to say that like there's not manpower behind it. There definitely is. And the people who are into it are hyper dedicated. But there's not nearly as many people to to bolster the work. So they kind of have to pick and choose the complexity of the stuff that they poured over. And as far as I know, Flatpak is a much more complex thing to get working because you have to pour it over many different pieces of Flatpak to get them to work. And then then you can run them with app images. It's literally only fuse. So as long as you can get fuse working, then app images will work. All right. So do you have audacity installed now? I do. It is up and ready. And you know, it works. You did a test. That's probably something that's a good recommendation. All right. So this is me testing audacity. And if I hit the right button. Yep, it works. Excellent. All right. I'm going to go ahead then. And hit record in audacity. I'm going to hit record in OBS. And you can do the claps whenever you do like feel like it. All right. He's apparently not ready yet. I'm just here for the claps. You said you said when I was ready. Now I'm ready. That's true. No, I'm not ready. OK, go ahead. Three, two, one. I don't know if that was even close. That even close to me? It sounded close. All right. Close enough. All right. Cool. So thanks everybody who's joined us live. We do record this live every Thursday around this time. We became very close not to recording this because I just not feel like quite honestly. There were several times that I almost messaged Tyler and said, yeah, I don't want to do this. So let's take a week off. And I came back around two o'clock. And I told myself if Tyler hasn't added anything to the show notes, I'm just going to cancel because I like maybe he's forgotten. So then I got I get here. I get to do a get poll and damn it. He had a start to the show notes. So here we go. We're doing it. All right, so we should happy. All right, anyways, let's let's go ahead and get started. I have the show notes here and I can actually move this to so we can actually oops, that's not the right one. There we go. Too many workspaces. Not that can never be actually too many workspaces, just. A lot of workspaces. It's a lot of workspaces. And it sounds like it's a problem. J-Dog sent. Oh, the guy can't say his name. He sent me a link to something for I3 that allows you to group workspaces together, like tag tab groups for the browser, but for workspaces and I3. I haven't gotten like actually looked into it yet, but it sounds like it's right up my alley. You imagine I have like a hundred workspaces. They're just all grouped by category. It'd be fantastic. I'm going to need more RAM. My man. Like sixty four. It's not going to be enough if I have that if that comes to pass. That'd be awesome. Well, let me just go ahead and say like it's not a sin to just close applications. Like I close application like I close applications all the time. I just happen to have things that have to do with one application and opening up seven others is not really closing. All right. On this monitor, I have seven workspaces going on right now. The things that are on there are things that I need to open. I don't want to call. I mean, I don't need them. I really don't need that open right now. I don't have any porn open on this workspace. I was just true. I have the show notes and I have the browser. I don't have one instance of Firefox open today to normally have more than one. OK, let's go get started before this goes any more further off the ram for off the rails, whatever words are going to be hard today. All right. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the latest cast. I'm yours, Matt. And I'm Tyler. All right. So this is the next cast. We talk about Linux, he thinks. And last week, we did not do a normal episode. We said and we bitched about things for two hours. And that was a fun episode. That was really good. It also is one of our highest viewed podcasts recently, not like ever. But recently, it was really good. But this week, we're not going to do that. I'm sure there will be some bitching and moaning going around, but we're going to be more hyper focused this week. Supposedly, we'll see how that goes. So, Tyler, my friend, what have you been doing on Linux this week? You Windows user? Yeah. So I started out the week using Gen 2 trying to. So I got to install no problem. It was the first time I did a butter FS install of Gen 2, but went fine. The install went great. Installed all of my applications live, which ended up because, you know, we we install OBS and Hayden live and all that type of shit. It took like seven hours or something. It was like a seven to eight hour live stream of me installing Gen 2 because I did all of the program, installing everything on stream. And I ended up with a system that worked, but XORC didn't. And I have debugged XORC plenty of times. Like, I mean, the log file is not really hard to keep up with, but on Gen 2, I could not for the life of me figure out why XORC was having this issue. It would start up and DWM would mean all the stuff would load up and launch fine. But wherever a program was on my screen, it would take like a picture of it and keep it there. So like if I had a browser, like, let's say I load into DWM, the first program I open is Firefox. It's going to be there on my screen. Look, totally normal. When I open a terminal, because I have a transparency and all the nice effects with my PyCom, I can see the terminal come up, but I can still see an image of the browser now behind it. And then if I quickly close both of them, like before the animations or anything happens, I'll end up with the terminal here and Firefox here, like a picture of them, even though they're completely closed and everything. It it was extremely weird. And I could not figure out what in the hell was going on. And after like an hour of trying to deal with the problem, I was just like, you know what, I'm getting a little upsetting spaghetti. Let's let's let's not get agitated to shit. Let's just do something that's going to be fun. So in like 10 minutes, I just switched out everything and installed windows. OK, so I'm going to solve your gen two problem right here. I would, I mean, I can't guarantee it, obviously. But you did answer me this question. Did you have PyCom installed? Yes, I would almost guarantee, almost guarantee that it was a PyCom problem, not Xorg. That sounds good, except for PyCom was not the issue. Or if it was, it doesn't make any sense. The reason why I say it was PyCom is because I'm having the exact same issue with. But well, not the exact similar issues with PyCom or with I3. And that's the reason why I'm not using gen two right now is because after I installed PyCom, the windows did weird things. Like when I open up a terminal instead of having the terminal, I have like a just a border. And then if I open up another terminal, I actually get the terminal, but no border, but it's frozen. It's just a picture. You can't do anything with it. You can't switch it back and forth. So it's really weird. So I'm almost positive that it's a PyCom issue, at least for me. I don't know about you. I mean, that's like, to be honest, that sounds really good. But the weird part is, is like a week before this, I was running the same build, like nothing's changed about my build of PyCom. Nothing. And I was using the same build on Gentoo last week, and it was working perfectly fine. And this is the same build that I. Not really ported over, but kind of did. I mean, if you go on my GitLab, I have a ported version of Jonah Burks PyCom in my repositories. And that's a ported over to OpenBSD works fine on OpenBSD, too. No, I like there's almost, I mean, it that sounds very plausible, but there should be no reason for it to happen because nothing's changed. Pretty much like the entire chat is agreeing with me. It's PyCom. It's because without without a wallpaper apparently does it does that. I've never experienced the without the wallpaper thing, because I've had PyCom running without wallpapers before, but it's also possible. I don't know. You can't test it now because you blew it away. So yeah. And I will say it that's that's also could definitely be it. Because when I first started up X with PyCom, I didn't have a wallpaper, but I did set a wallpaper after this and it still continued to happen. So the reason why I always thought of what reason why I thought it was PyCom is because you said you were looking in the X or blog and it didn't have like any errors, right? It was just said nothing. Nothing. That almost when Xorg shits the bed, it tells you it shits the bed. That's why I was getting so pissed off. Right. I'm like, Xorg does such a good job. So when when you get when you're having problems and it says no errors, that usually means that it's not Xorg that's having the problem. That's I would put some money and a significant amount of money and put some money on it being PyCom because it's Linux because it could be something different. But I'm I'm pretty sure that it's going to have that problem would end up impact and I'm pretty sure that's where my problem lies too is because that what I did. So let's go ahead and move my mind. So I also install Gentoo. OK, the install was successful and it took around four hours, but it didn't really take four hours because spent a good portion of that first hour in some minutes trying to figure out how to get the stream going on YouTube. Total noobs. OK, by the time we got going, it's probably about a three hour install. And at the end of it, I was able to log into a TTY. I had X. I believe we've installed Xorg at that at that point and I three at that point, but I didn't actually log into anything that night. So the next day I come in. And I tried to log in or, you know, start X into I three because I created an X and R C and Xorg would not launch. But that's because the people were helping me, Zany. Forgot to tell me how to to forget to tell me to put it in like E log and D or whatever it's called. So I had to do that. Ben helped me with that. And I did send you that message. Yeah. So I got. Anyways, we did get into I three was working fine. Everything was good. But the hard drives, you know, I got I even went through and installed a whole bunch of programs on my own. Some of them are even masked. And I remembered how to unmask stuff, which is everybody should be very proud of me. I am. And then I install Nemo because I've been told not to install Crusader. But did you know that Nemo has like 63 dependencies or whatever it was? It took forever to install Nemo, like like half an hour. Like I should have just installed Crusader and I would have been just as happy, you know? But but anyway, especially seeing how eventually I was going to have to install half that Katie, that Katie stuff anyways, because I'm going to have to have Kate in live anyway, so I should have just done Crusader, but whatever. So open up Nemo once done compiling and it sees none of my hard drives, except for the one that Gentoo's installed on. It doesn't see my NVMe, which has ARCO on it. Doesn't see any of the I have three other hard drives that are in the computer. Don't see any of those. It doesn't see the 14 terabyte external hard drive. It doesn't see any of them. And I don't look I had the same problem with void. So I'm assuming that it's just me doing something wrong. Now, I understand that some of these they wouldn't see because it has NTF. They're formatted NTFS, right? But so I knew I had to install something from there. But even in just installing NTFS 3G didn't fix the problem. So I got on the horn with Ben see them with LSB OK. Yeah, they would show up with LSB OK, but they would not install. So we ended up having to there was a we had to in the final solution was to install. First of all, Ben, Ben sent me his use flags. We put in some use flags into the main main dot com file. And then we also installed the UDISC and D D bus, I think. And then we had to exact I3 with D bus support right out of the bat in order for them to actually work. It was we worked on it for probably an hour and a half. We finally did get it to work and I finally can go through and get all to all my hard drives and stuff is really works really well. So then I pulled down my I3 config. I compiled pi com and rebooted and got back into Starix, Starix and back into I3 and it started doing that stupid thing where I once like a lacquerty. It had no lacquerty, but just the term just the border. So I opened up another lacquerty and it would go into it would open up the lacquerty, but it would be just frozen. It would be nothing there. Even the cursor wasn't blinking and you couldn't focus it. So either it was just a picture or it was, you know, just frozen. And that's where I've left it. That's that I haven't entered. So there's either one or two things happen. Either the pi com is not working properly. So I'll have to uninstall it. Well, so that's the first thing I'm going to try. The other thing I'm going to try is just going back to regular stock I3 and see if that will work with even with pi com and so I suppose because it's possible that there's something about my I3 config. As somebody was mentioning that the scratchpad rules in I3 don't work really well in Gentoo for some reason, which doesn't make sense to me like whatsoever. But it's not going to be hard to comment to comment the mountain. You know, try it. So that's that's where I am right now is that I have a working system with Gentoo on it with a broken thing of I3. And I also have XFC because we during trying to get my drives to mount Ben had me install XFC so that I could actually get in there and use his exact setup in order to see it because he said it worked for him because he said we went we went through and used his use flags and did the at world thing. And thinking that that would fix it. But just keep me on I3 and that didn't work. So we then decided because he uses XFC. So we installed XFC. I booted back in XFC. That still didn't work. So it was my thoughts. No, it wasn't like, no, it was all right. Look, and like I said, like I told Ram Jam, I have a video come up on Monday where I will give my final thoughts on on Gentoo. I hope to at that point to have actually used it for some period time actually successfully, like actually to do things. And if I can get I3 working on it, I will be able to do that. If not, I'll just use XFC for a while. But the point is, is that my my initial thoughts after four or five days of using it for a few hours each day is that it is a pain in the ass. Like disagree with that. It's just one one thing after another. Not necessarily goes wrong, but it's you have to do one thing after another in order to do things that for just should be there. You should be able to see. Your hard drives automatically in a default. That should not be an option for you to have to install on top of everything else. That should just be there. It's like having a steering wheel in a car. I should just be one of those things that just work and it's not apparently apparently you have to do other things in order to get that to work. So I don't know if I can get this I3 thing to to fix so I can actually use it. I think that I will have a better experience because I'm at the point now where pretty much everything is working. So like I've got I installed flat pack so I can install the flat pack stuff that I need. I mean I installed several flat packs already. I know that's cheating, but I don't care. There's just some something like you can't get a two. You can't get a three O version of audacity through Gentoo or any distro. They're all still in to just to do something. So I have to use a flat pack. So I might as well use flat packs of something. So I'm using to use the flat pack again as well. And what? Hold on. Three, isn't that the version of audacity? Like that's like the latest. Yeah. Wait, why would you want to use the latest version? Because I switched on arch a while back to audacity and which is based on three to zero. So all of my templates and stuff for my thing use the brand new file format. And that means that I have to use the brand new versions of audacity in order to actually read them because the old versions don't have, you know, ability to read the old file or the new file format, which sucks. I'm not sure they just use audacity. I'm but you can't get audacity to work because it's incompatible with FFM peg 5.0. And they haven't fixed that yet. So. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see. I'm going to keep my Gentoo install until Monday. If it's still working, I might continue on and actually do like a long term review of it. We'll see. But as of right now, not impressed with it. I'm just going to put it that way. No, I have learned a lot, though. Like I've learned quite a bit, but there's also a lot of syntax there that I just don't I'm never going to remember. So like that after you unmask the whatever you're trying to install, there's that dispatch dash comp thing that you have to do. I'm never like I've had to look it up five times. I never remember it. And also every time you change a use flag, you have to do the something that emerged at world or something with with some flags, right? I don't know what these flags mean, but I can't remember those like some. Yeah, that's going to end up being a pain in the butt. You can shorten it a lot by doing. A V. In I believe it's A, V, N and D, like dash A, V. And then I believe in and D are have to be capitalized, but it's the dash dash ask dash dash verbose dash dash new use or changed use and then dash dash deep and then at world, which is just the most beautiful update command that you've ever seen. I mean, am I right or am I right? You're wrong. Like you're like you're wrong because I can't remember it. I I would. I would be so happy if there was some place where there was a cheat sheet for that kind of thing. Like, like everybody says, well, yeah, just man emerged. Well, yeah, that's true. But the man emerged thing is like five thousand lines long. And that's not a cheat. That's not the way a cheat sheet works. OK, you want something that you can access quickly and say, hey, oh, yeah, that's what I need. Yeah, we all know cheat sheets are about the size of a novel. So, you know, it's just like it's just I just need like one sheet with the main commands apps. They have to know that that'd be fantastic. But as far as I know, that that doesn't exist. And again, granted, I haven't searched that far. I'm sure someone online somebody's actually done it. But anyways, that's my experience so far with Gentoo. Somebody wanted to know Ram Jam or Ram, just Ram. Thank you for getting me to that goal there for briefly. And I hope that you found your investment. You know, he said he said in chat that it was money well spent so far. And he also asked me if I saw you squirm. And I don't know about squirm, but I will say this much. He only threatened our lives once. No, no, as far as I know, it was only once. The other the other time was just an indirect threat was like, you know. OK, for those of you who haven't, the live stream is still up. The live stream of my Gentoo installs still up. The first hour of it is just me messing around with a stream. You won't even hear my voice for the first hour of it because my audio was fucked up on Arco and you couldn't hear me. So you'll just hear Ben and, you know, a few people in the Discord talking while I'm messing around trying to get, you know, I had to download Kaboom to I had a DD Ubuntu that took like an hour. I did finally put a timestamp in there so people could jump to the Gentoo install. I'm surprised that thing has 2000 views. I'm saying I know when that stream ended and I saw the view count on it. I was astounded. Yeah. Like. And if if you haven't gone through and actually watch it, it's some of it is pure hilarity because Ben Ben and Tyler were trying to tell me how to do stuff. Josh came in for a while and he was trying to tell me how to do stuff and they didn't always agree. So I felt like I felt like a school marm and had at one point I shout at you. Hey, shut up. I told you all to shut up. And there was one time where I told you that I was going to murder everyone by the end of the stream. But honestly, so in terms of the install. The install was not bad. Once they actually got to the point of actually installing stuff. Yes, the people who were helping me were annoying, help, very helpful, but also annoying as fuck. Once I got to that point was fine. The hardest part of the entire stream was trying to figure out the audio problems on our go trying to get the stream actually up and running. If we hadn't had that initial problem, if we just been able, if I just be able to start installing gentoo right from the beginning, the install process was not bad at all. It into it, there wasn't even any point where I had to emerge something that took like an hour. You know, I mean, it just even the like the main emerge, the one that does the the beginning of the at the beginning of install, right? That only took, you know, 20 minutes, probably, because there's only like 13 or something. So no, and also a good thing that I've learned now is never decide that it's a good day to start or to stop like your nicotine habit and do a gentoo install or help someone with a gentoo install. Never a good idea ever. And for anyone who watches the stream, I apologize in the stream to Ben and I'll do it again here. Ben, I still profusely apologize for the way that I talked to you that night. It was uncalled for. Very snippy, but it was it was a good for our stream if you can put up with it. But like I said, there is a timestamp there so you can skip the stream stuff. All right, that was an intro. That was a lot of bitching about gentoo, but it's OK. I'm sure I'll have more thoughts next week if if I'm still there. I don't know whether or not they'll happen. All right, so contact information. You can contact with us. Contact with us. This is going to be one of those times. You can contact us via I don't even know. I have a contact information right now. It looks weird and like there's stuff missing. You can subscribe to the area. So you can find all of our stuff at the linuxcast.org. Subscription buttons, all that stuff, blog posts, all that kind of stuff. You can support us on Patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast. Tyler's at youtube.com slash Zaneo G. He also has links to this to his Patreon and stuff on all of his videos. You can check that out as well. You can subscribe to Linuxcast and YouTube at youtube.com slash next cast. You can contact us via all the other ways that we are available to be contacted at the linuxcast.org slash contact. Also, someone emailed me. I'm sorry, I don't remember your name, but a couple of weeks ago, I made the comment that I had once owned the links cast.com. And then Hover decided that they were going to make that a premium domain and it was going to cost like $800. Apparently they gave that up and I was able to get it for 15 bucks. So now if you want to go to the next cast.com, it will redirect you to the website. So I do now do own that. So whoever emailed me that, again, I apologize. I don't remember your name, but thank you so much for that. So, Tyler, every single week, you and I scour the internet for news, breaking news, like CNN breaking news that you can only get here on the Linuxcast. Tyler, what is your news of the week? All right, so Ukraine. No, no, just kidding. OK, my article is about the Apple M1 and the Linux on it, which is pretty interesting because the for it being in such an early alpha state, it's actually surprisingly performant for again, like if you're unfamiliar with this, like a Linux should not to be running on on this hardware at all. There's it's for when it's Apple. So they clearly don't want you using anything other than Mac. And also there's there's a surprising amount of people who are very into getting Linux working on this device. And it's come a long way. The install for Linux on the M1, according to the article, is still kind of it's definitely rough around the edges and you can run into issues. But for the most part, it's pretty reliable. And there's a lot going on, like development behind the scenes to get a lot of stuff working, including graphics. Because right now, if you're using Linux on the Mac M1, I believe it states towards the end that there is no GPU acceleration on it yet. But that is as far as I know, there is quite a few individuals working on getting GPU acceleration working on it. So hopefully here before too long, we won't just see the gallium, I think is what it's called. They're gallium 3D, whatever thing for the chip. But there there's talks about after that, they'll need to work on Vulkan and stuff. But so far, the development of this Linux on Mac is or M1 specifically, it's going really well. All right, yeah, I don't really have any interest in running Linux on a Mac because I'm never going to buy that hardware. But I have a high interest in watching the guy who's developing a lot of this stuff. He streams a lot of his development work on YouTube. And he is a wizard at using Kate. Like, so like the if you think that I'm bad with tabs, you should see this guy like he uses tabs in console, like the Katie, the terminal thing is like 40 tabs open in the terminal and like 30 or 40 tabs open and Kate, it's it's glorious, man. Like this is a man after my own heart. It's fantastic. Yeah, I imagine that and I get anxiety. Like it's like so, so cool. If you haven't watched any of his development work, he is really good at developing stuff. Like he had no he was doing something with Rust. Like I don't know any development work now, so I don't know the lingo. But he was he had to do something in Rust. He had no clue how to do it in like a six hour stream, taught himself how to do Rust and created what he needed to do. Like he just did it. Like, I want to be that guy grow up. Yeah, I think it was so cool. And like he does a lot of bash scripting and stuff because because that's basically how you install this Asahi or whatever it is is through a bash script or a shell stripped script, probably. But still, the point is, is that it just watching that is just really cool. It's like it's kind of like ASMR kind of stuff. You know, like I'm not really into that, but it's kind of awesome. But anyways, yeah, I watch for whatever reason, Tyler, I always watch the Apple announcements of all their hardware stuff, even though I'm not a big Apple guy. Like it's a it's a holdover from when I was a big Apple guy. And I watched that Mac Studio release thing. Like I looked at that computer, like that computer looks really cool. But first of all, five thousand dollars for a computer. Kind of too expensive for me. Too expensive. That's pocket change. Five K is nothing. But also, if I don't have out of the box, like straight up freedom to install whatever I want on it, I don't want to buy your machine. Like that's just the way it is. Maybe that's not the way I always was, but I am that way now. You know what I mean? Like I know that this Asahi or whatever a Linux is going to be there. And but it's not, you know, like really good yet. Like I have I have confidence that they'll get there. But right. If I bought that right now, you know, it just saved one the lottery and I wanted a pretty looking computer. I couldn't install Linux on it. I had to like virtualize it. Like I don't know, they spend like half that amount of money on a really like awesome computer. Like, you know, and just install Linux on it. It'd be great or or buy a system 76 machine for like half the price. You know what I mean? Like we always say how expensive system 76 is, but they're not that expensive. For damn sure. All right. My news item of the week. If I can get the, you know, the thing up. Which I probably can't is something that's a little older because I actually found this link a couple of weeks ago. But Canonical has patched the dirty pipe vulnerability in 21.10 and 20.04 LTS. Now. With the way the attention span is in the world, people probably don't even remember what this is. Things I was like two weeks ago, but a couple of weeks ago, there was a a vulnerability was found in Linux called dirty pipe, which is an amazing name. And everyone thought it was the end of the world. Like there was like there was every Linux YouTuber like outside of me made a video about this. And it was the news of the minute for about a minute. And then like people probably don't remember it. But the point is, is that if you even if you don't know what this is and I'm not technologically advanced enough to explain it to you. But if you don't know what this is, you should still update your computer. And most Linux distributions are have been updated. The reason why I wanted to talk about this. Was because if you had a like a really bad flaw on windows, it would take three or four weeks for them to patch it a lot of times. And on Linux, where hardly anyone gets paid to do this work, by the way, hardly anyone this was fixed within like 48 hours. Now, granted, there's still going to be some systems out there. They're still vulnerable because they haven't been updated. But the point is, is that if you use a fairly recent kernel, it's probably fixed now. You know, or even if you on most, if you just run a command, yeah, they're there it might not even like fully upgrade your kernel to like, you know, a complete new release. But at the very least, like you'll get as far as I know, they're like point releases for fixing it. Yeah. And you just don't you don't. This right here is why Linux is awesome, is because when Linux is not perfect, it's going to have security flaws. But the fact that when something is found, it's fixed almost immediately is amazing. Now, there are bugs, obviously, that aren't security flaws that can linger for 20 or 30 years. But when something like this is bad, you know, it gets fixed. Same thing with like that log for J that was like a couple of months ago. There's like three people that worked on that project completely. And they had it fixed like almost immediately. Now, granted, it was updating that and getting that patch pushed out to everybody was a much bigger problem because, you know, not something that people pay attention to a lot. But the point is that the fix was there almost immediately. And I'm going to that's not Linux, but that's still open source stuff. And that's why it's so cool, right? So well, I mean, it's also cool because like we actually don't ever do the thing of, oh, no, that's just a new feature. Like, yeah, it might be severely insecure, a big problem for some. But at least we're not the like Microsoft community where we're like, it's a feature. Yes, it's not it's not a feature. OK. If you go back, Microsoft's done that a handful of times, like severe bugs or like vulnerabilities being labeled as features. They've done that before. Like that's a thing that they've definitely done. I'm never going to trust a company that has just finally decided to put tabs in their file explorer after 30 years and calls it innovation. That is cutting edge tech technology. Linux has had tabs in the file and every file explorers ever had like that's almost the beginning. I think Nautilus like 1.0 had tabs. I mean, that's probably not true, but it's close. You know, it's been it's been around for a long time. There's not I don't know that there's even a single like web or file manager on Linux, even like the index one that's based on MauiKit or whatever. I think even that has tabs and then and that thing like doesn't have like half the features of a file manager. It still has tabs and Linux or Windows is just adding it now. It's not even there yet. Like they're they're testing it. Like, well, what are you going to test, man? It's tabs in the in the frigging file manager. It's been around forever. It's easy to do, you know, it's easy to do. But when the majority of your code base is like 30 years old and that's getting stacked on top of each other, it could be difficult. That's probably true. Like, like even Finder on Mac OS has tabs, you know, and it's had tabs for a long while. Like you're just a hater, all right. You just you don't understand. OK. No tabs as a feature. Why would you want tabs just open up another window and add it to a workspace? No, it's just a feature. It's just a feature. All right. Moving on to the main topic, folks, we're moving right along, which is pretty good. All right. So the main topic this week. Is one that Tyler came up with and I've rephrased a couple of times. So we're probably have no clue what we're talking about. I'm just going to put that out there. The original one was something like, should be should Linux be like a DIY? I do. Yeah. And the idea you had behind this when you came up with this topic was that was right around the time you were messing around with LFS, right? Yeah. All right. So I rephrased as is Linux from scratch really feasible. And I think I titled the stream is Linux from scratch a good idea. So we're transitioning into stuff. So, Tyler, why don't you tell us what you're thinking about when you came up with this topic, if you can remember. Yeah. Well, really, the mindset of the question is should Linux really be something that is requires you to do it yourself to add functionality or to, you know, just be a really functional OS? Do we really want a more do it yourself attitude in Linux? Because I don't know about you, but I see it often times online where someone's having an issue with something and the the solution to the problem is to go and fix it yourself instead of it just doing that, but like tabs in a file browser. Like, well, let's just pick a file. Man, like you were talking about not on the server. Let's just go with that. Let's just say, not unless it didn't have tabs, but you could add in the functionality with a lot of those kinds of programs where you can add in functionality that for most people, they expect it to be there by default. I hear a lot of people being like, well, you can just add it. And that's what you should do instead of it just being there. So like the ability to see and mount hard drives to your computer right out of the bat. Yeah. Yeah. Like, should you like it do we really want to have the mindset in Linux that you should like it should be on the end user to set up stuff and get it working essentially properly out of the gate? It I personally don't think this is a good attitude to have. But I really want to open it up and see, like, maybe I'm wrong. Like maybe maybe my stance on this is completely unfounded. And we that's actually what the community wants is something that you need to configure, you need to take care of. I think that there has to be a middle ground. OK, so we have two extremes. We have the LFS and Gentoo approach, whereas literally do everything yourself. And if you have a problem, you fix it literally. And then we have the opposite approach of like elementary OS and GNOME, where you everything is done for you. It's a closed system that is that you use and you use it how the developers exactly want you to use it. And there's no customization. There's no adding features. There's nothing like that. So you have two extremes. And then you have a middle ground. And I call that middle ground. Arch Linux, let's just put that out there. We just call the middle ground Arch Linux. But I mean, it's not even just Arch Linux, but literally any other distribution where you can install like they have different flavors like Manjaro or even Ubuntu or or, you know, Kubuntu or Linux Mint or something like that, where you can you have options to do things, right? That's where the middle ground kind of lies. Like if you let's just use my actually, hold on, I don't mean to cut or I do mean to cut you off, but I also apologize because I don't want to forget it. You were talking about elementary OS and this is a good example. Elementary OS is a is an operating system clearly made for new users and designed for new users in mind. With that being said, we complained about this and talked about this when we were trying to elementary OS and with elementary OS when they switched over to Flatpak. Again, I haven't used elementary OS in a while, so I don't know how this has changed if it's changed at all. But their software center is using Flathub slash Flatpaks. And for for you to occupy or fill the software center with stuff, you had to actually go to Flathub and add essentially Flathub to your software repository and download something. And then it would populate. Yeah, it's the same thing with Fedora occasion. And the reason why that happens, and I've been told this and it's a stupid reason, it's because Flathub comes with proprietary software. So you can even if that's the case. A lot of the like I heard this argument quite a bit of where where you as an end user should it. That's just on you. Like you should just like there's not a problem with that. So you just need to know that the attitude is completely like opposite of what elementary OS is supposed to be about. Right. And that's the reason why we complained about it is because it was so out of the ordinary. Everything else is done for you in elementary OS. The fact that you had to go and enable this functionality in order to get Firefox is really weird. And I don't know if they fix it on. But there should have been a button like you should have been say, hey, by default, we don't have the software or by default, our software limit is to just free software or whatever it is. I mean, obviously professionally buffed up into fully text, the but there should have been like a pop up at when you first open up the app center, a button that says, hey, would you like to add Flathub support? Yes or no. And then tell you the consequences of doing either or right. That's the way elementary OS should be. And maybe they fix that maybe they haven't. But the point is is that the idea there is still the same is that is that everything is done for you, right? And you or at least theoretically it's done for you. And I don't remember where I was going earlier. But the point is is that. Give me a second. I'll come back. Old person, all timers, just a second. Well, I cut you off, too. Yes, this is definitely your fault. Oh, yeah, I have no clue what I was talking about. Or where I was going, what my point was? Damn, I'm a disaster. I remember because we were talking about Linux. So let's just take Linux meant for example. Linux is kind of the perfect example of being kind of a middle ground between those two extremes, because you download the the main Linux meant ISO. It comes with cinnamon on there by default. It does. It just works. It does everything for you. You know, you can my hard drives, you can do all this stuff, all the stuff that you'd expect a computer to do. It does perfectly fine. Now, I have obviously other problems with Linux meant, but we'll just put those into the side. But if you want to in Linux meant it's very easy to change a theme. It's very easy to add extensions to cinnamon, if you want, because cinnamon has built-in economic extension support. Very easy to get to just with a couple of right clicks. It just works, right? So it panders itself to new users and does a really good job of doing so with application support and the ability to just use your computer, which is what most new users want. But it also allows you to have the ability once you get past the point of being a new user to extend your to broaden your horizons and do customizations onto your desktop environment and your computer that is not so easy at one end of the extreme, elementary OS, and is absolutely 100% expected of you when you do something like Gentoo or Linux or Linux from scratch. You know, so that's that's where the middle ground lies, is things like Linux meant things like Ubuntu, things like Manjaro and all the other distros that are kind of like that thing. And I joked about Arch Linux, but even Arch Linux is a little bit too close. It's a little bit more closer to the Gentoo and Alphast thing than it is probably that middle ground. You still have to be able to, you know, install it, right? But even then, once you've installed it, it's still not build up your system. Yeah, you know, there's a ton of stuff. Now, it's not as hard as Gentoo. Like it's not. There's there's so many quirks about Gentoo that you don't. You're not going to know, like, but with. Arch and stuff, most of the stuff that you have to do is at least somewhat similar to what you'd have to do. And other like the package manager on Arch Pacman at least is somewhat intuitive with. Gentoo, you have to know what use flags and all this stuff. That's not something that you ever are going to have to really do on Arch, right? So there's added level of complexity when you talk about something like Gentoo. And then if you go even beyond that into Linux from scratch, everything, like every single little piece of this operating system has to be something that you have touched and put in place. It's like it's like building a 6,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, right? If you miss one piece, like you've lost one piece on the floor and the dog is down there munching on it, your system is not going to work. You know, buddy, stop that, you know, stop becoming the puzzle piece. Damn it, buddy. What are you doing? I got my head. I don't see it because he definitely would have responded to that. But he was like, I'm not doing anything, man. I'm just sitting here. I'm just trying to take a nap. What's going to let me alone? I was just I was just chewing on Tyler's computer. There are these cords look important. All right. So, yeah, I don't know. You said that I had to check my ATX cable because he's been laying under my bed or under my desk for a while now. And I'm like, I wouldn't put it past him to start nippling on a 12 volt cord. Oh, buddy. You do stuff, right? All right. So let's let me answer this one. Let's talk about LFS specifically for a little while. Would you ever think about doing that again? No, no, I didn't think about it for a minute, but I learned enough from doing it once. I honestly don't know that I would learn that much more valuable like information from doing it over again. And because the only reason I guess for me to do it over again because I remember a lot of the install, even though I was sleep deprived for like. Well, all of it. Well, I was actually like it was like a 30 something hour install. I was the same when it got that first livestream. You were going for a long time. Like I was there at the beginning. I went to bed slept for eight hours, came back. You were still going. I went, I left again, went to work, you know, got breakfast and, you know, started my work and stuff came back to YouTube as I usually do. He was still going and I just found it absolutely hilarious. And then he still wasn't done. He did it for three days, you know, in succession. And that proofing record that I would never try. Like I I don't care what I would learn, but there'd be no way that I'd ever I don't have that kind of patience. Like that that's three hours of installing Gentoo the other night. That was my limit. Like by the end of that, I was done. Like you guys could probably that's what I'm saying. When I say like people need to understand, you only threatened us once, really. The other one was a vague, like sort of. Like just kind of threat, but like abstract. You weren't really threatening. It was half-hearted or something. Yeah, yeah, like like I was expecting by the end of the stream for you to be like, OK, I'm definitely going to kill all of you guys. Tyler, I need your address because I'm going to come over there and shoot you. Like I was sure you were going to be really upset by the end of it. You weren't. It was it went well. It wasn't like I said, if we hadn't had those stream problems at the beginning, it actually would have been a fairly easy install. Now it was not as easy as our installing large Linux. Like there's there's. So first of all, if you've never installed Gentoo, there's several parts of it that are actually very similar or even exactly the same as the Arch Linux install. There are several parts of it that aren't even anywhere close, right? So the part so it's not as if it was hard, but there was those extra parts that weren't the same that took a lot of time or at least more time than what you'd expect. Because you can you if you know what you're doing, you can install vanilla Arch Linux in 20 minutes. Even if you're just even if you're installing, if you're if you're running the even if you are doing it step by step like you would have had to in the old days without using the Arch install script, you know, I mean, you can install Arch Linux in 20 minutes. Like it's and most of that's going to be spent downloading stuff, probably. So you're never going to install Gentoo in 20 minutes. No, but I do know people that do it in just about roughly double that time. And that's not like installing Gentoo in like 40, 40 to 45 minutes. That's impressive. They must have like 90,000 cores in their computer. I'm just going to put that. No, the one person I know who did it was party on my discord. And he's like, I don't know, like 13 or 14. Did it didn't like 45 minutes when he told me he was already done. I was like, wait, what? I was like, are you sure you're done? He's like, no, I'm booted into it. Did he send you proof? I don't know. Like, I kind of want to see proof. I kind of want to see proof. Like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that a 14 year old can't install Gentoo. I'm sure that there's plenty. Some 14 year olds are way smarter than I am. More, I'm just saying that I don't believe that it was actually that it's actually possible for anyone to do it that fast. I would definitely do it that fast. I would believe an hour and a half. Like, I would believe an hour and a half. I wouldn't believe 40 minutes. The only reason that's possible nowadays is because the desktop, the desktop profile for Gentoo comes with rust, like Ben already in it. And it also takes care of a lot of other stuff. Because, I mean, you know, like the pretty much the most time consuming part of in actually getting the base install done was doing the initial install for the first update emerging the world set. And like that takes about 20 minutes. So that before, like without, without Russ Ben being included, if you forgot to install Russ Ben before you ran that command, it was taken a while. I would imagine like anything else, though, if you've done it a lot of times, like over and over again, you'd probably get really good at it. Like it'd be something that you don't even have to to consult the wiki. It would just go and do it, right? You know, you just, it would be really easy. But even then, with Gentoo, you can do Gentoo makes like Gentoo makes LFS look so unbelievably complex by comparison. Like I know a lot of people like, well, I mean, us, we've been talking about Gentoo and LFS like they're very close and very similar. And they are from like a new Buntu user's perspective. They're, they're completely in the same category. But when you actually have installed Gentoo before and you attempt LFS, not I'm not even saying install it, just attempt it. You unlike their leagues apart because LFS is also not something that Gentoo you could run as a daily driver 100 percent. You might not like it. It might be too complex and might just be like how it's been for us and give you issues and try to fight you. But at the end of the day, it's by comparison to LFS, a much, much more usable system for pretty much anybody. LFS is nuts. Like LFS is not for something that you want to use on your computer. It's something to learn. Like that's pretty much it. But theoretically, it would be possible, though, to use LFS as a daily driver. If. Oh, yeah. Because once you once you got the base system and the the second half, which is whatever's called the Linux after whatever it's called beyond beyond all that's what is right. Once you've gotten that done, you have like a desktop environment and all that stuff installed. All of you then would have to worry about is then constantly updating the system, right? And installing programs that's the problem. You don't have a package manager. Can't you install something like on our Nix or something if you wanted to? Well, on LFS, you can install pretty as far as I know, you could install any package manager you want. However, there's a lot of the package managers that you would choose are going to cause major problems. And also from what I've heard, even the few package manager, well, actually Ben is I'm sure is still in the stream and Ben could attest because he's told me that the few package managers that do work pretty well, even even the ones that do work still are a pain in the ass a lot of the times because it's just you're kind of whatever the package manager is. It's just like its LFS is just so complex that it's it gives you an appreciation for the complexity that is the Linux system because to most people, like you you look at Windows and then you look at Linux and you go, Linux, even if it's new to you and you have a lot that you don't know about the system by comparison to Windows, like I mean, the code base is like much smaller, like by comparison, much smaller than Windows. I mean, even if you took the Ubuntu's code base and compared it to Windows, it's I believe even the ISO for Ubuntu is still like a solid two gigs below Windows. And so like you can kind of have this perception that Linux is a is a more simplistic system and it's not like with how much Linux supports and how much well, it's really just how much they support and do inside of Linux. It by nature has to be a very complex system and LFS definitely gives you an appreciation for that because there's no way of denying it with LFS. Like when you're using like, you know, Ubuntu, even Gintu, like it's updating packages and installing packages and just dealing with the complexity of just the packages that you use is pretty damn simple. Linux from scratch shows you just how much work would go into managing packages yourself, installing packages. Like you get an idea for the overall complexity and part of the LFS install is also learning about it. A knit system that you will if you actually read the LFS install book, you'll come away knowing. Way too much about your system. Like I've never in the world thought I'd learn as much about it in a knit system than I did through LFS and I don't think I need to that that to answer the question of why I probably won't ever do it again. There's a lot of information that you learn there that's just may be practical for some people, but definitely not practical for me. Like I don't I don't need to know how SysFee and it works in and out. I just I just don't I know how I need to know how to use it. But beyond that, I could care less. Well, did they choose SysFee and it because it's the simplest system? Or honestly, I'm not sure. I think SysFee and probably the reason for SysFee and it in LFS is just because it's it's the precursor to system D. Yeah, like kind of the granddaddy. Like the code base has been around for long enough that I'm sure it's just more stable. And I'm not saying other in it systems aren't stable, but I'm just saying like as a when you're already doing something as complex and in depth as LFS, the last thing that you want is a knit system that just has a weird bug. Can you imagine if it was system D? I mean, like I love system D, but I can just imagine having to compile and put together every single little bit of that because it does everything. Like it has shivers, man. That would be terrible. I mean, like when I was when I asked that question because it would have made sense to me if they like SysFee and it makes sense because it's like you said, it's the precursor to system D, but something like run it or open RC seemed to be to be more simple in terms of stuff. So it would it kind of surprised me that they hadn't went that direction. But because LFS has been around for so long, it probably would never change to it. Well, I mean, I think it's also to like when you switch over to newer code bases, you are much more likely to run into bugs. And that's pro I would just say that's probably the reason why. I mean, there's probably not like a solid reason for like we don't use run it because of X. We don't use like there's probably not reasons like that. It's probably just this is what we know works and why switch to something else, even though it might be simpler, why there's a potential for running a dish when it comes to the system. It's like the net system is like the system. You have to everything. A lot of stuff is is so dependent on that. They probably have built its CSV and it's probably so entrenched in everything else that'd be hard to pull it out. Yeah. Well, and I mean, that's probably another thing, too, because I highly doubt that there's many packages out there that aren't going to be CSV and it compatible because it's just so damn old. So I'm going to mispronounce your name. I think Raheel or I'm sorry, I'm totally butchered that name. But you said he said that there is officially support LFS system D support. I bet you can't install that in 40 minutes. I just put that right out there. OK, so that is if anything else to say on this topic, Tyler. I don't think so. I'm going to put this right out there. There is not a. Um, there is not a. Monetary goal out there that I could put out there that is high enough for me to ever do LFS. I'm just going to put that out there. There's like three hundred and fifty. You're going to miss a lot of sleep. Like like I there's just there's just not a. A monetary amount that could ever get me to do it. Like there's not like somebody could somebody could offer me a million dollars. And I'd have to think about it, you know what I mean? I'd have to think about it probably still be no. It probably still be no. Um, but anyways, yeah, so that is it for the May topic. Moving on to the thingy of week. Now, the reason why we call it the thingy of the week. And I say this every week is because we don't have a better name for it. So this is the thingy of the week. I should we should have like a chorus in the background singing like a slogan or something of Tyler. You're thingy of the week. I've probably talked about this one before, but. It makes sense to go ahead and talk about it again, because it's awesome. Pokemon dash color scripts. If you don't know what this is, it is the best little nifty program in the world, because you can just run this command with. You can give it a random flag and it will just pull in and give you an ASCII like Pokemon in the terminal, right, like just a random one, or you can specify which Pokemon you want and add that little command to your bash RC. And then you will get a beautiful little Pokemon in your terminal every time you open up the terminal. Very good. It is cool. But everyone always says that adding neofetch to your bash RC so it comes up every time you want to terminal is blow. But at least neofetch gives you some information. I'm just going to put that out there. Yeah, I mean, information, but that's born as shit. You don't have a cute ass Pokemon in your term. Come on. All right. So yeah, I've tried Pokemon color scripts. It's good. They're nice, but I haven't played Pokemon in. Probably longer than you've been alive. I'm just going to put that out there. It's been a while since I wait. Hold on longer than I've been alive. Are you sure? My last the last time I played Pokemon was on the Game Boy Color, which came out in like 1995. Holy shit. Yeah. You genuinely haven't played Pokemon since since I was born. Well, you got to remember the the. I was born two years after that, right? The Game Boy Color was the last handheld console that I've ever owned. I haven't owned one. Well, no, that's that's a complete lie. I had the Vita, never used it. It was so bad. It was just not a good console. I always wanted one. My friend who had one told me he's like, don't buy it. The hardware was fantastic. The software was just so bad. Sony was going through its bubble phase, like the entire every UI interface thing there was bubble. It was like Samsung came in. It was like Samsung Samsung came into the Sony studio and say, hey, let us do your software for us. You know, you know, so it was so bad. But anyway, as yet, so I haven't had a handheld console that I've actually used since the Game Boy Color. And that was obviously the last Nintendo one I used. Now, I have had Nintendo consoles since then. I had the I had the the the original Wii for a while and that collected dust for a long time because that was not a good console either. I miss I played the GameCube but I didn't own it. But because once I got the PlayStation 2, I played the crap on the PlayStation 2 and then I went to the original Xbox and then the Xbox 360. And that's where I'm still on now is the Xbox 360. And my Xbox 360 is over there on the floor. It has four inches of dust on it. I'm just going to put that out there. There's no way it runs. Just they get no way it runs. The main concern would be you probably need dust. But then also it's undershipped Xbox. I play, I don't I'm not a gamer anymore, like at all, man. So like not and when I do play games, it's on PC. See, that's what I like to hear. TFL is just playing on the console and I'm like, dude, we could play games together if you play on the computer. You find. Yeah. Everybody has their preferred gaming platform. All right. So so my thing of the week. So I did end up switching back to Oracle Linux. And one of the things I really like about Oracle is that they have a couple of amazing tools. So one of them is the Oracle Linux tweak tool. And this thing does so much stuff. You can install themes for Lackardy, for ZSH. You can install new desktops from this thing, like new desktops and window managers from it. You can control like each block for ad block and stuff. It just does a ton of different stuff. And it does way more now than it did, you know, six months ago. Like they're always adding stuff to this tool and it's amazing. And it literally does all the stuff that you could possibly want to when you control like Oracle Linux. So you can do the best part about for me is that if I wanted to try a new window manager that Oracle Linux supports. I just go there, install it. It's installed. It's done. And it installs all the Oracle Linux like configuration tools along with it. Now. If you're like me and have gone, you know, back shit crazy and have installed all of the desktop environments and all of the window managers, and I've done that at one point. I didn't do that this time, but I have done it at one point. They have a tool also called desktop Trasher, which will actually uninstall window managers and desktop environments. It's not perfect. It doesn't always work, but it's gotten way better. And if you want to install something like, say you install GNOME and you want to uninstall it, you can do so. And anybody who's ever tried to uninstall a desktop environment like KDPasmo or GNOME, you know that it's a pain in the tuggies. And this tool does that for you. Now, obviously, it only works on Oracle. I might work on Arch Linux, too. But I think the window manager or the desktop environment would have to have been installed with the Oracle Linux tweak tool. Don't quote me on that. I know for sure it works on Oracle. So those are my two things of the week. Honestly, I keep going on about this, but Oracle Linux is amazing. It is so good. If they would fix their website, it would be the perfect Linux distribution. Their website is so bad if they just had a better website. And if they had like, I don't know, half as many ISOs as they have, you know, it would it'd be amazing. But it's not once you get installed, you're golden. Like you're it's going to it's fantastic. But if you can't get to that point because you're confused as fuck on their website, that's a problem. But that's a that's a discussion for another day. So that is it for the Linux cast coming up next week. I don't actually, you know, have a clue what we're talking. We're going to be talking about. 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