 Okay, so we're ready whenever you are. Okay. Good evening. Five o'clock and I would like to welcome everybody to the meeting of the Amherst Design Review Board. My name is Catherine Porter and chair of the Amherst Design Review Board. I call this meeting to order. I want to note that we are meeting virtually tonight, but we probably will be working on another plan. After the summer so that the mandated virtual meetings are no longer in effect. So I'd like to begin with a roll call the members of the Design Review Board who have been impaneled for the consideration of the items on tonight's agenda. Board members please say I or yes and acknowledge your attendance. Lindsay Schnarr. Yes. Okay, Janet Markward. All right, President. Erica Zekos. Yes. And Tom Long. Also in attendance is Marine Pollock planner and staff liaison to the Design Review Board. The Design Review Board and its accompanying zoning regulations were created by town meeting in October 1983. The purpose of the Design Review Board under section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural, economic and historical resources by providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use, the appearance of structures, and the appearance of sites, which may affect these resources. The Design Review Board exercises this responsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific overlay districts in the town center. The Design Review Overlay District and the Town Common Design Review Overlay District. Design Review was also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere and Amherst, which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site. All design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff. Each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel for public viewing. The procedure is as follows. The petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting after which the board will ask questions for clarification or additional information. Once the board has completed its questions, the board will deliberate. If the board feels it has enough information and time, it will decide upon recommendations for each respective application. If the board is voted on its recommendations, the staff liaison will type up the recommendations for distribution to the applicant, board applicable land use board and building commissioner. All right. And now we have on the screen. Our agenda. Okay. Our applications. I can't know that. All right, so we. Did you want to. Invite the applicant in for DRB FY 2021 dash 22. The sweet Alice conservation area. Yeah, sure. Okay. So we have Rob more present. He's the building commissioner and he'll be talking about the proposed new parking area at the sweet Alice conservation area. Okay, very good. So, Hi everyone. Hello. Hi everyone. I'm going to talk about more in a prepared a nice little presentation. You want to get that started. Oh, okay. Give me a second. I just pulled together what Rob did. Okay, hold on a second. Actually, hold on. I'm going to just download it. I have it on my. Hold on, hold on. That's here. Or that's okay. Actually, let's just do this. Okay. So there's a street view on that first slide that we just scrolled past, but that's the, the area we're talking about it's just east of the roundabouts around Atkins there. There's a good image of that where the star is those several parcels, including the one that shows the pond. Thank you. Thank you, Maureen. Please thank you. So several parcels where the star is to the, to the west and to the south are tone of Amherst conservation properties series of trails through there. This parking is specifically at the head of the sweet Alice trail. So that's the plan that we're making a connection to the existing trail, but we're also preparing for some expansion of trails that will be occurring over near that pond, which is the property that's surrounding the kestrel land trust office building is that white sliver of parcel right next to the pond to the right of the pond. So that's the area we're talking about. If we can go to the next slide. These existing conditions, you'll probably have to zoom in if you need to see the street photos but there isn't any formal parking now in this area. Cars just parked along the side of the road there and what's now worn out in the dirt gravel area in that image that top image is the sign that you saw that first slide. That is the, the initial access to the trail. So we're looking to create a formal parking area up to 20 spaces shown there and read. There's a possibility that one or two rows furthest south could be eliminated. And it might be a slightly smaller lot but it certainly isn't going to be any bigger than 20 spaces that we're about to take a look at. If you want to go up to the next slide. So here's a 20 space parking lot. It includes one handicapped accessible space at the beginning of the south sweet house trail. This parking lot is going to be crushed gravel finish, except for the apron out at the road which would be paved to meet the town curb cut specifications. There'll be a couple of signs, one identifying the trail parking, either that sign that was shown in one of the earlier images will be relocated or one will be created. Typical of what the conservation department does I think they usually do a a wood sign that gets routed out with the lettering and then painted. And that would go out front where boring was just pointing in that location. The town has a typical kiosk and we can show you a picture of that after but that'll go right at the beginning of the trail. There's an informational kiosk loaded located right there. And otherwise for signage there'll be one accessible parking sign right at the head of parking space number five there. To, to reserve that parking space for accessible placard vehicles. West corner, the Northwest corner that you can see it's showing a stone dust expansion there. That is where I was talking about the possible connection to new trail locations in the future. That's a project that the conservation commission is in process of reviewing or will be soon. So that's possible for a project to come forward soon. We're looking to install split rail fence to both the east and west side of the parking area for the length of the parking area plus a little bit to the south. We're looking to add large boulders to the south of the parking lot to prevent just far enough to allow for snow removal but to prevent vehicles from parking off of the new gravel area. There's no sheet flow towards the west and south. There's no drainage structures or anything underground for utility or lighting, or any other, you know, construction or equipment that's not shown here on the, on the plan. I think that about covers it. Yeah, there's, there's, there's a little bit of grade change there on the that that north, sorry that southeast corner of the lot will be a little bit of a cut, resulting in a slope area there that's not natural slope that's existing. But otherwise it's relatively flat finish. And yeah, if there's any questions. All right. So this isn't parking area is not connected to the that small development heading south on 116 sort of right across from Atkins. There was some discussion about the homes and then cars driving in to access the trail but that's yep. So that that's not this one that's that is a different trail access and there will be a couple of very small couple of parking spaces in that location. All right, between the first two house sites on that development. Any Lindsay. First this looks great and it's exciting to see parking there. Actually I've never been on that trail so now I'm determined to go. But I'm curious about the designation of the trailhead and visibility of that being kind of limited based on the first few spots on the northeast side. And I just wonder, so you said that that area that's just to the north of parking space five which is an ADA handicap parking space. That's going to be, is that a different material or is it just going to be striped. I guess it's gravel so you can't stripe it. Yeah, it's right so it's all gravel. You know we're, we're considering possibly, you know painting or chalking it initially. So, to back up we're actually we're doing several of these across town so we're looking at a number of the trail parking locations to make improvements. This is the first one that is new work that is being reviewed for permitting. So we're going to decide whether or not we try to stripe or chalk in a way that just hopes, hope in hopes that, you know, change, or, or establish a parking pattern, but probably not long term, if we did it, just once that would probably be it so it will be all new material. And it's probably going to be I'm looking at material right now for another one that we're about to start construction on and, you know, probably like a three eighths aggregate for a finished material, which is going to require us to either use dust or, you know, use millings or some planings or some other material at the accessible space in the loading zone, as well as the, we'd like to use the same material for the access to the trail, right right at the trail. Beginnings, just to have a nice smooth stable surface to get started on the trail. So we're not the exact material and it bear what I'm finding is it varies from location where it comes from so I'm actually physically looking at the product that we would be getting to make that decision what we'll use but it's got to be pretty fine and compactable for the accessible areas. So that's my challenge with the gravel material how to define spaces to begin with and then how to define an entrance and an accessible zone. So, I think that's my only concern here is just, you know, really being able to indicate that that's where people should a not park and be be able to walk through to get to the beginning of the trail. It sounds like you guys are trying to figure that out. I don't have any great ideas at the moment, but I'd be curious to hear other people's thoughts on that. I'll just add the only other idea that we, you know, we might look at is using the, the posts of the split rail fence as indicators. Yeah, so either lining those up at the center of parking spaces and again temporarily, it's an opportunity to put signage up or some sort of markings but not hopefully not long term. And I guess I'm curious also about the potential of pushing the trailhead to the north at the parking space one location. If there's an advantage to that word. If you've looked at that. Certainly possibility, sure. I'm curious about the visibility and perhaps, I don't, I don't know, just reducing the amount of kind of confusion around which space is reserved. But again, I'm kind of curious to hear other people's thoughts on this and Erica, it hadn't occurred to me that the visibility of the same but I think you bring up a really good point Lindsay and I, I think that moving the trailhead either extending it to pulling it out of the back of the lot, you know, between 10 and 11 might be a solution as well because that would be visible for everybody coming in. It's a good, it's a great question. The question was about receptacles for trash and maybe recycling I think that when we invite lots of people to gather and have kind of a formal starting point. I know that there's already trash there and it's kind of informal parking lot. It might be nice to have something there to contain it. I think it would be nice for people to have good practice. And that could probably go near the, the kiosk. I don't think it needs a concrete pad or anything but it would be nice to include that in the, in the project cost. Okay. Do they traditionally put bike racks and these trail parking lots. I have not seen them in the ones I haven't looked at them all yet, but the locations that I've been to I have not seen those. No. Seems to me that the chaos will make it clear where the trailhead is if it stands out, wherever you put it. And I do have an image of that it's a pretty substantial structure structure. Yes, thank you. Yeah, see that I mean that's there. I like the idea of having it either either where it is or further back as Erica mentioned because if you are opening a car and kids are getting out stuff the further from the road the better. Because they wrote is pretty fast through there. And also, if you put trash cans, what do you have to do for emptying them do you have to like put them on some sort of town circuit of going around all these. So it just adds to your root, or how's that work. Yes, so these, these areas are managed and maintained by the town's conservation department staff. I think that's something that public works would have in their route for trash pickup so probably why we don't see the trash containers at these locations but that staff is charged with cleaning, you know, checking on and cleaning these locations so it's a good solution I think I'll have to bring it up with the conservation director, Dave Zomek who manages all the conservation recreation areas and see if that's something he's interested in having at these sites. Great it looks really nice I'm glad you're going to do that I go by there 10 times a day and it really isn't very, very conducive to stopping right now so it looks good. I often stop on the other side of the road, and also park there's a whole other area that they pile up on the other side. I had a question about the parking identification sign. Is that one of your, the smaller white signs that are etched with the name kind of like is existing It is so that sign right there would either be relocated. I did I did hear that the conservation staff is making signs as well so they're they're routing them out of wood. So it's possible that there could be a new sign but similar to that. That's what its intent is to identify the trail. To be honest today, I mean I'm always looking for them and I can see them and read them because they're you know they're white and they stand out but it might be really difficult for some people to read that sign from a distance. You know the relatively small I'm sure they'll see the parking lot and the kiosk but you know for a parking area it's different than marking the trailhead right the trail had your pedestrian and your own foot and you're next to it. So it's something that you're causing by in your car and looking for it, something that's perpendicular to the road. And something that might have slightly larger typed identifying parking area might be helpful so it might be a consideration I would have, just because I feel like a lot of these way finding signs of pedestrian based and not vehicular based so just another thought. Otherwise I think everything's great and super excited to see parking and interested to find out where else you're doing it and excited to see that. I'm also interested in Catherine's comment about the bike rack. I don't know if it's just even a single loop you want to pop around somewhere. It might be really helpful people want to bike over here, change up their bike and go for a walk. It doesn't sound like a crazy idea at all. And you know it might make sense and I might check out what's happening up at the visitor center on the notch and some other locations where we do provide parking and see what's available there's no fence here maybe people would, you know, you're putting in that fence so maybe there's a place to tie it up to the fence but I'd be thinking about, you know, people coming by bike so anyway, I like all of those recommendations and I think they're worth thinking about. Thanks. Well did thinking about the sign and the bike rack and then picking up rubbish and all all these things that could happen. I think what would be important is to have consistency on signage. And if we do a bike rack here, maybe the town should think of bike racks at other locations to so that we don't have a mishmash of different kinds of science in some sense of bike in some place there's not. I suppose that's something to take to Zomac and see, you know, how he let him flush that out. Any other comments or questions for Rob. People attached their bikes to the split rail fence. Is it the kind of fence that you could pull the post out of the upright and somebody could loosen the attachment. Yeah, I actually don't think that's probably a, you know, a good, good way to attach a bike, you know those those split rail fences or are not the post aren't set in concrete they're not that stable and secure. So I think I'll take the recommendation to Dave and we'll see if that's you know if there's another solution. I think people think oh well this is heavy I can put it here but I know in Chicago we used to attach them to like light poles and people would literally three guys to get out there and lift the pole right out of the cement out of the pavement and take the bike off and put it back you know I mean it's amazing what people will do to get the lock off and something so it'd be good to have something more secure that they wouldn't take that risk. Yep. I just want to add to my previous comment that seeing the picture of the kiosk really does help and I also agree with some of the folks who said, maybe moving the trailhead if it if it can be in and wants to be moved to the back of the lot feels like that makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking about the trail in Hadley the Conti. Silvia Conti, yeah. Which has kind of the trailhead at the very end of the parking and it just feels like a very natural progression to kind of move toward it in that way and also a pretty safe way to be as a pedestrian so I follow that suggestion as a as a support member. Any other thoughts, questions or comments. So if not, do I hear a motion. I move for you recommend that we. This is not really to us who's it to. It's to the building commissioners to me. Okay, well, I move that the design review board tells the building commissioner we like his idea. We'll support it. How's that. And then with the arrow, sort of, so. And then we have a few suggestions and you can list those. So maybe consider moving the trailhead self at the end of the parking area. Look into whether trash and recycling receptacles could be provided as well as a bike rack. And I think that was it. Okay. Is there a second trail sign at the road. Yeah. Bill sign. Yes. Yes. Yes. A trail sign. Say that again. A sign for the parking area that may be a different one from the trailhead itself. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Do we have it? Is there a second. Second. Okay. All in favor. Okay. I could call you. Okay. Don't you need to do a roll call? Okay. I'll do a roll. I didn't catch who seconded it. Okay. All right. So let me go through the roll call. Jan. Yes. Lindsey. Yes. Tom. Yes. Erica. Yes. Catherine. Yes. Okay. We have it. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Looking forward to the next ones. Thanks, Rob. Bye-bye. So next I am making a. Katie Richardson, a panelist to. And she works at Fort River elementary school. And the Fort, the elementary school is proposing a mural on the front facing wall to the school. So. Katie, thanks for joining us. So if you could introduce yourself. And if possible, if you could share your screen, Katie, I think has made some final tweaks to the, the presentation. So you'll. You'll, if you could show that and just go through what you're, what you're working on. Hi there. Sorry, video settings. Nice to see you all. I'm Katie Richardson. I coordinate our English learner and dual language programs in the Emmer's public schools. And I am here to talk about our mural project for Fort River. We're excited that we were able to get a grant from the local cultural council to support some work with an artist. And we had a team of first graders who worked with that person over the course of a couple of months to come up with this design. And so we're presenting the design and, and in collaboration, of course, with our facilities folks to, to deal with the wall and the installation piece. So I'll tell you, well, actually I did include what I know about that in the, in the proposal. And let me see, I'll share my screen here. If you're having difficulty, I could share my screen. Okay. I think I got it. Just a sec. I'm more used to our, our Google meet and then the zoom here, but I got it. All right. Is that working? Yes. Great. All right. So here's the crazy view for me of the school that I walk into all the time to see that the big roof there. And here's where this school was located in town. Here's the front of the school building. And so we're looking at primarily these two areas. And this one, this one for these mural panels. And so essentially, you know, as I said, we, we worked with an artist Fitzcarmel Lamar. And we met with him over time with some students and families to come up with this design. And it's exciting to see that, that process, you know, the kind of back and forth between the school and the students. And there was, there were some surveys that went out to the school community for input, as well as just the ongoing conversation where the, the students would come up with an idea. The artist would draw it, would come back with, you know, what about this? And, you know, that kind of back and forth. So now with that completed design, we'll, we're planning to project the image, transfer it over onto fiber cement panel. We were told by, let's see, the facilities director told me that we're required to use a fiber cement board or a fire treated woods. So we went with the fiber cement panel in terms of fire code. And so we're hoping to transfer that and then paint it. And then once we're done painting, have it adhered to the front of the wall there. Using the, the tap con screws. And the hope is that, you know, should we ever get a new building or want to move it into a new building or need to repair that we could, you know, take it down if needed. And there was some consideration about, you know, not wanting to, to trap moisture behind the panel to the wall. Though we're in working with coals, they said, you know, you don't really have to worry about moisture with the cement panel. I've used wood and fabric before for murals, but not the cement panel. So that's new for me. Let's see what else. And then we're planning to put a mural shield on top that, you know, we're going to get some graffiti or something like that. It would be easy to, to clean up. And there's the overall dimensions of the mural. One thing I didn't note here is that we do plan to have some space from the ground. So the dimensions that are listed here are just under the overall dimensions of those walls so that we have a gap of, I think about six inches for the sides and the top portion and about a foot at the bottom. And then we have the floor, the floor for the walls, and then we have the floor for the walls. Just in terms of moisture and, you know, maintenance and things like that. And so here's the design. And this cut out here is just because we already have the Fort River school sign right there. So that will be incorporated into it. So lots of things going on there. And I recruited our two, most active participants to. I'm going to talk a little bit more about the design. So I'm thinking about some parts of the mural. So I can share a couple of those. I'm sure more than you can share this too. With folks, right? So I don't have to necessarily play all of them, but I just thought, you know, having the student voice here was valuable. So I'll play a little bit. So what do the flags represent? All different kinds of cultures and. Represent. Other people or some people that are from different states or worlds. They welcome. The total cost. Represent. Salvador, the Peacock represents India. And the. Shibiti. Represent Massachusetts. And the crane represents Korea. And those are just some of the countries that are represented in our school community, right? Awesome. So I'm going to talk a little bit more about the symbolism. Where we, you know, I tried to note some other things that they didn't talk about, but just that they really thought about the symbolism and tried to work in, you know, what, what makes Amherst special? What are some of the things that folks do in Amherst, things that we care about in the school community. Things like that. I don't know if you want to hear more of them or you want to save them for. For later, but just wanted to share that piece. We thought of soccer to represent that. A lot of people like. To play that sport. Great. And after the artist worked on it a little bit, you had some suggestions for the artists to change that part. What did you ask for? I asked for there to be more girls. Instead of boys. And that we know that everybody likes to play soccer in our community, right? Girls and boys. Great. I think this is. Without of the marion apple, because it's like a tradition. And also, like, it's like, we thought of it also because. It's just like summer. It's like. Christmas. It's also like Christmas. It's also like Christmas. Christmas. It's also on every Christmas Friday. And it's like Christmas celebrations. Great. And it celebrates Christmas, but also any winter tradition, right? In our town. Yeah. So there you go. So a little taste of that. So these are all things that were kind of negotiated throughout with the students. So the, we choose love is the school slogan. And so it's like, you know, it's like a tradition and because we have our dual language program growing there in, you know, where we're providing instruction in English and Spanish, we wanted to make sure to include. The Spanish piece. So the previous, you know, the other side has, which is the same in Spanish. And yet we have, you know, families and children from all over the world. And so the flags are representing that. Both in terms of, you know, folks who have come to our community. I think that's all. I'm happy to answer any questions if I can. Could you explain, I'm not, still not sure where it's being placed. The arrows are going to two different locations. The front of the school. Okay. Yep. The panel is on this side and this panel is on this side. Okay. All right. So it's going to take. It's going to take a little bit of time. I think it's going to take a little bit of time. Up the. Looks like there's sort of. Maybe it's a flagpole in there. Okay. Never mind. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I now I understand. Yeah. And you're going to project it. Almost then it'll become sort of like. Paint by numbers. Kind of. Yeah. So we'll have the students kind of trace it and then be able to go back with, you know, the students that they're going to be working with. As well. And then there's a couple of different ways as well throughout the summer. So just making it. Not too complicated. We tried to do kind of. It seems pretty complicated. Maybe you've got some people who can find too. I mean, I'm looking at some of the things. Yes. That mean people on bicycles. I mean, granted it's going to be bigger than I'm looking now, but. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, so I think we'll have a back and forth. We certainly want our for river community to be involved. But there are some adults, some parents and also some high school students that will be supporting through the process. Okay. Questions or comments from the rest of the board. Anybody have any impressions. Nothing. Well, I'll just say that I usually hate murals on buildings, but I really like this because it really gives the school of fun and colorful aspect with a great message and so unlike so many others that I've tried to stop over the years. And that was waiting to hear your comment because I know you're staying on that sort of thing. I thought, oh boy, I don't know how she's going to accept this one, but it's building is not so architecturally significant. Yeah, it seems like just having the color and the energy will be a really nice thing for the, you know, it's not the color doors are inviting but the building itself is not particularly inviting so you can take it down because it's on those boards it's not permanently, it's not going to wear and age on the building. Exactly. That's right. Very colorful. I agree. I think that's an important thing for me was knowing that it would be removable at some point. I think that's a relatively easy way because brick is not something you can kind of just wash off that easily if you wanted to return it to its original state so I think that's a great choice and probably make the process a lot easier and more inclusive because then we can reach the top. I know my kids both went there my daughter is still there. And so yeah walking into the colored doors is fun but I think this will be great and there's a little path on the right side that this will go past so yeah no I think it's fantastic and I'm excited to see the students get involved and make them come to life. Are you going to help paint. Oh yeah. I'm getting so I'll be there through a lot of it. Yeah. Maybe I'll need an invitation. Any other. Lindsay or Erica. Yeah, I've been I also love this I think it's fantastic. And I think in this beginning in this presentation stage it has a kind of cliparty feel to it that will inevitably go away. You know with the, with everybody getting involved in the painting and I, I tried to look up some of Mr. Lamar's work and I, he has like, you know, a really amazing way of painting faces and bodies that has a lot of character and I, I'm eager to see the finished work and I think it'll have even more life than we're seeing here. It's true he does have a very painterly style but because we knew we wanted to be able to get lots of folks involved without having to, you know, deal with all of that kind of you know how would we shade things we said you know let's go for silhouettes and kind of simplify it a little bit so yeah. Yeah, I think that's a smart move. My one critique is that the mountains and one of your detail views was labeled as referring to the seven sisters and our mountain range has a really significant and recognizable profile that we're not seeing here. And that's like the one place where I feel like I could make any critique because otherwise I think it's pretty great so if you want it to be the seven sisters and maybe to look at, you know, a photograph of the profile of the mountain range and incorporate that. Certainly, I agree. He I you know we asked him because first he had some that were kind of more like the Rockies and it's like no no no, we have a mountain range so I think that this did come from an image of it but I agree it doesn't have the characteristic. The way that I would see the shape right so I agree, and that can be a subtle shift. I'll just add that I, I think this is wonderful and I'm excited to see it come to life. I wonder two things about the landscaping that you can see and the front left side and the bushes of what your plans are for those. And secondly, if, if you might plan to incorporate some kind of plaque or information about the artist and the involvement from, you know, the effort of the students and yourself, kind of the project information. So, where that where that might go. Yeah, great question. So I have to work with facilities to figure out whether we want to remove any of those bushes or whether we want to kind of make the bike path go above and you know try to like work around it a little bit more. We're already planning to be a foot up off the ground but it's you know that's probably three feet or something so negotiation with them. That's a great point. And the plaque. Yes, I'm thinking probably that we would put it on. It's hard to tell here but there's a wall right here that goes sort of, let's say, perpendicular, no, yes perpendicular to the front facing wall. There's the bend right there, and there's a shorter wall. So I think that would be a good place to put a small plaque and certainly have the kids and families who participate, could sign it and we could write, you know, from to acknowledge the cultural council and things like that. It's interesting as part of the landscaping discussion to consider something that's, that's like ground mounted or like embedded in the ground as an informational location. You know that you could have something that some kind of signage that is anchored into the ground that has. You could do it on both sides perhaps even depending on how much information you have. That's a good thought. You can check in with them and see what you know what's the preference and because it would be a little more visible that way potentially. Any other suggestions or thoughts. I think the school could use a punch of color as could Amherst. You're doing everybody a big favor by bringing this to the public. Yeah, it's really. Okay, if I don't hear the comments, do we have a motion to approve. Okay, move to approve. Is there a second. I'll second it and add our three suggestions. Yes. Are you picking up to give me one second. Well, there was a suggestion about the plaque and having a plaque and you know, either it's going to be at that wall where Katie had suggested or perhaps ground mounted. And it's landscape landscaping. Yeah, so it does it sound like folks are fine if they do some heavy pruning or removal or. Yeah, we're just saying think about it in terms about it. I don't think we're trying to dictate. Right. Yeah. Okay. And what was the third was a third sisters. Oh, thank you images of seven sisters. Yep. Yep. Anything else. Okay, so moved and seconded. I'll take a vote. Lindsey. Yes. Okay. Erica. Yes or no. Yeah, your name. Yay. Okay. Jan. Yeah. Yeah. Tom. Okay, Catherine. Yes. Okay. There you go. Great. Good luck. Thank you. Yeah. It's really nice. I think that Marina, those are the only two things on our agenda. We have the minutes. Katie, could you stop your share? I wonder if I can. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you're free to stay or go. We're going to move on. So thanks everyone about. About indicating your availability for the next meeting regarding. I don't know. 11 and 15 East Pleasant street. So I'm actually just looking at it now. So it looks like, I don't know if folks want to look at your calendar. Tuesday, July 13th works. And July 19th, Monday, July 19th. And Tuesday, July 20th. All work. So I don't know if anyone. Could you repeat that? Sorry. Yeah, sure. Yep. So Tuesday, July 13th. Monday, July 19th and Tuesday, July 20th. And everyone had indicated that it worked with them. And. I'm actually going on vacation at the. On the. On the 22nd. So. If I could have a slight. Plug, I, the sooner, the better. Would be preferred, but. I'm fine with the 13th, if that's the best. I'll work for others. Okay. Does that work for everyone? Yep. And then we have the, we can fall back on the later date if we need to. Oh, that's a really good point. Yep. So July 13th for 11 EP. And I believe I emailed everyone the applications. Just through the one drive. I will be putting them on the website on the calendar as I'm starting to do that, but I just wanted to get that to you all. As soon as possible. And that's it. I don't know if there's any members of the public. No, there aren't so we can skip. The general public comment period. Yeah, I wanted to ask. Yeah. I just wanted to make sure that. At the, when we walked around when we had the site review, you gave a set. Really incredible set of colored. Descriptions and plans. Can we still rely on those? Or will we be able to determine if there are changes that would mean that they, those. You know, I think that's a good question. Yeah. Good question, Catherine. So I can certainly give everyone hard copies of the updated plan set. And I. I give hard copies. I mean, just send them out and we can look at them. I believe I emailed everyone electronic copies. If folks would like a hard copy, let me know. If you don't, that's fine too. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. When I run for historical commercial. Oh, okay. Don't use the other ones. Yeah. Yeah. And so for the first, the original set, I. I typed up a project application report, which was a review of, of it, of the project. So if folks find it helpful, I could update that to reflect the changes. Yeah. I didn't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what sets that you form. Apparently with the revised additions, but maybe I didn't go far enough or deep enough, but I couldn't pick out the subtle changes. And. Yeah. So I want to be sure I know what we're talking about. Okay. Anything else for that. So we have two sets of minutes, Marine. Did you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Very good. So there's no further business until we meet again. And we'll continue to, oh, I know, I had one thought that maybe you should think about this. Eventually we can't zoom. And that means we will have to meet in person. And I'm wondering if we should not establish a couple of. We'll have to wait two per month. So that. And if people don't get their requests to us by our meeting date, they're going to have to wait until another meeting date, because sometimes we have, we. There are times we have to run downtown for one little. Presentation. And I'm just thinking. I think we're going, we spoiled now. I think we're going to have to wait a little bit longer. And going forward, would it be better to have a formal date set aside so people would know. That they have to bring it on, you know, the second Tuesday of the month or the third Tuesday. Yeah. Great question. Catherine. I appreciate ringing up. When do we expect to return to in person? Do we have an idea? That's a good question. Yeah. I think we're all boards and committees will hold virtual meetings in until September. And then we'll. We'll loop back and figure out what the, if the law has changed or, or what the town, what does the state dictate? Ultimately. And if they're, and then what does the town want to do? Yeah. As well. Right. Well, my impression is that Paul said that. That there won't be any exceptions. So I'm thinking, you know, I think that everybody's going to have to meet in person. Like we can't say. The design review board wants to keep zooming because he was pretty firm about that. Once we go that way. There will not be any exceptions. So. Well, we have some time, obviously. And so if folks. Would like to have sort of a. You know, I don't know if you've heard of it. I sent a doodle poll. If folks want to have a, a set schedule where we meet. You know, the second Tuesday of each month. Either once a week, once a month or twice a month. Just so you have it sort of in your calendar. As Catherine was saying, sometimes a nuisance to. Come down to, to, to town hall, just for one application. So if you have a group once a month, then folks would just have to wait until that, that one meeting or, or. Or whatever. We're meeting virtually. I'd like to have that because. Like I just had a historical commission meeting last night at last three hours. And then I turn around and there's this one. And it'd be nice to know ahead which week. I have this so that when I'm, you know, when we're doing the other meetings, I can say, well, that's not a good week for me or something. But it's just too much sometimes to have these one right after the other. And we have been meeting as you get applications. It'd be better if the applicant knew. It's either this date or this date in a month. We don't necessarily have to meet both dates. But if we had those, we could pick one of them. Yeah. I think that would. Be probably the most professional and. You know, business like way to approach us because I think my experience on design maybe board and Jan and I've been on it the same length of time. The pattern has been somebody has an applicant. Oh, we got to run and have a meeting. Well, maybe we do and maybe we don't. Maybe we could say, well, yeah, sorry, you missed that date. You'll have to come back. You know, I don't want to see it. Give us more importance than we. Maybe we deserve or have, but I think something more, more efficient would be to everybody's benefit. So is there. I think that generally this board meets on Monday nights or Tuesday nights. Is there a night that you have a preference? Maybe I could do a doodle poll of all, you know, Mondays. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You know, to see which sort of week works best for you or, or did you want to hash this out kind of now. Or just think about it. Well, yeah. Yeah, I, I, I don't know what, I maybe the. I don't know how a doodle poll kind of captures. But if we could list. Standing meetings. So I can do it, but it would have to be after five 30. Yeah. So I could get off campus. Maybe would it make sense if, if each of you email me, your sort of general schedule for like a five to six 30 range. Yeah. That would help, I think. Yeah. And it could be for not Friday, but any, anything Monday through Thursday. Well, I'll just say that Wednesdays are going to be really hard. Cause I'm going to go straight through to. Yeah. I'm always trying to, I'm always thinking of you, Tom, when I scheduled these, and I will say that I actually do try my hardest to. Schedule these meetings when there is at least two applications. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think we have. I think that has worked pretty well. But I'm just thinking maybe a set date would. Make life a little easier for everybody. Okay. So does, uh, do folks feel that they could, um, just email me and I'll take a look at it, compile them in a. So maybe you want to email or something. Just, uh, consider two days, um, Monday or Tuesday. Uh, we know Wednesday is out. Should we want to throw a Thursday in there? Or should we try to work with a Monday and Tuesday? Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like Monday is bad for Eric. And so why don't we stay Tuesday or Thursday? Yeah. If we're talking about starting at five o'clock. All right. Okay. Good. So, and then Catherine, are you thinking of holding. Space for two meetings a week, say every other. We are first and third. And then we would cancel a meeting if there's. That would be what. That would be what we're trying to do. We're trying to do that. We're trying to do that in a month, but one a month. Sometimes people come along and they seem to need it right away before they go to the planning board. So I. And that, and if we keep it to two. Then we could essentially end up with one little. Petition. Which is really what we're trying to avoid. So I'm sort of talking to circles. I'm just talking to circles. I'm just talking to circles. I'm just talking to circles. I'm just talking to circles. One month. We could try it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, for the ZBA, for instance, they meet twice a month on Thursdays on the second and fourth. Thursday of each month. And for the rare occasion, there's only. If there's just one application on the agenda. I tell them, sorry. We'll handle you next time. So. If it's like a small application. So I would. Unless I sort of got. That's what I would do in. In a scenario with. With this board, if it was just one application, I. Okay. I would. I would tell them that we will handle it at the next meeting unless they are very adamant for. So. Does that mean we're sort of trending to putting it twice a month and then. But perhaps. You know, I'm not doing as you suggest. Trying to keep them. The bulk of them. But try to do all of one. I don't know. I'm just. Right now. What do you think, Jan? Should we do one a month or two? One date. If we can't. If for some reason a whole suit come in the day after or. Before she can get it to us. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Back up two weeks later, but let's just have one date a month. Okay. Let's do one. Hey, buddy. Also, you know, I would consider when we start meeting in person again. Yes. To meet back in the day. We used to meet at seven because that's when parking becomes free. Some of the parking like on spring. Not all of it. And. I don't know. I always feel as a volunteer. Then also having to pay parking is just like. I don't know. You know, unless that's a real hardship, it helps the day be fully finished in terms of work and teaching. And you can get a bite to eat and stuff. And then do it. If you really want to do it early. I don't know. Then we need one of those bike kiosks and stuff. Actually it wasn't at six o'clock. It becomes free, but sometimes you come down to kind of Thursday. There's no parking, which is another issue. So I guess it was six for some of those. Yeah, six, but, but they're the slots. I mean, they're. They're parked. Everybody's parked in them. So I don't like having to roam around Amherst to find a place to park so I can come to the town hall. Go to a meeting, but that's what we'll have to do. So maybe Tuesday would be a better date to shoot for because I, it's not as busy downtown as it is on Thursday and Friday. We have a couple of months before we have to work. Yeah, we do. Okay. Two notes. So these are both my personal. Situation. One is that five o'clock is definitely easier for me, but I could do five 30 if that is an helpful. Just because I'm. Needed for family reasons by six 30. I mean, I can't make an exception, but it's just a generally difficult thing for me to manage. So that's my own personal request is that we try to shift it. As close to five as possible, but I can be flexible up to a point. And then secondly, I have another child coming September, beginning of September. So. I don't expect. I don't expect that that means I can't participate, but there may be a couple of weeks where I have to. You have better things to do. I might be slightly busy. So just a note that early September to anytime late August, early September, I may not be available for meetings. Okay. Enough for a forum, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know we send Marine our. Best and worst. Scenarios for meeting. And I think we said Tuesdays and Thursdays. See how that works out. And keep zooming as long as we can. Is that okay, Marine? Sounds good. Yeah. All right. Anything else that we want to chew over? If not, do I hear? Do I hear a second for that? Traditionally, it's Tom. Okay, Tom. All right. Can I just say all in favor? Hi. Anybody opposed to a journey? Okay. All right. So there is everyone. Okay. We'll see you on July 13th. Yes.