 Yeah All right, and YouTube says we're alive. I never know if there's an awkward pause in between everything. Hello, everyone My name is Jamie Higginbotham I am the creator and executive producer of your tomorrow And I am joined by a plethora of people here on the New Year's Eve of 2022 We are hours away. Well, I guess it depends on what time zone you're in I I guess since the show is UTC. We're only a couple hours away from 2022 I am joined by our very own big giant head Ryan Kayton Hello We've got him on his normal screen just for fun and then we have as a test and Create an executive producer. Oh Jared you have to Jared you have to turn off your audio Thank you. You've got looping audio going on So and that's how the show is going to be because this is a test of all of our technology and whatnot to see if we can Actually bring you the guests into the show So we have got a bunch of citizens of tomorrow joining us And we're gonna kind of go around the table and we're gonna ask everyone what excites them about 2021 Like what were their favorite missions of 2021 and then what excites them for 2022? What are they looking forward to in the coming year and then we're also gonna ask what? Makes them a space geek like why are they? how do they fall in love with space and if you would like to join the conversation you totally can I am doing I'm living dangerously today and Hi, I'm I just posted the public you Zoom link right in the channel description So if you want to join just click on that link down below Don't do what Jared did which is allow the audio to loop back around and Dada one thing I didn't mention is you have the power to mute people if necessary So you can just go into participants select them and hit mute as if you need to I'm muted them all for now. Thank you. No, that's great But I actually why don't we start with you Ryan because like you're a regular staple here And you know, I do I do want to say a 2021 on this channel at least was the year of Ryan You you know, I was in the middle of transition. I wasn't comfortable coming on camera We needed people to help talk about SpaceX because I can't talk about SpaceX And I put a call out and I don't remember if it was this year or last year. I think it was 2020 Yeah, I joined in January last year. Yeah But like this is the year where you really stepped up and you were really like you took space news And you ran with it and it's been absolutely phenomenal. There have been some great SpaceX updates that I've loved and I Worked there and somehow I've learned things from you So kudos to you for that. So right, why don't we start off with what were some of your favorite missions from? 2021 what got what got you excited about space in 2021? Straight out the gate in February I think was obviously perseverance the landing of the Mars rover That was just crazy to see and like actual good high definition video from NASA albeit not live But it was good video from Mars, which is just incredible and of course the countless helicopter flights We've had now from ingenuity. That's just crazy to think yeah that we're flying helicopters or a helicopter on another planet inspiration for big inspiration just for Citizens not trained astronaut. Well, they were trained but not like astronauts They were just people albeit quite one of them was quite successful in life. That was to see and Then coming up to now We've obviously had all the normal crew flights from SpaceX. That was very exciting to see Yusuke Meiazawa going up in a Soyuz in December That was also very cool to see his videos on his channel of just how He was from traveling to the ISS and how much fun he was having and of course I've had like the Virgin Galactic suborbital flights and the Blue Origin suborbital flights That all of that sort of stuff just ramping up this year. That's really what's been excitingly And what about next year? What excites you for next year? For 2022 hours away Ryan hours away to way literally less than two hours away now for me Hopefully fingers crossed we get to CSIS fly Fingers crossed starship goes orbital at some point and fingers crossed starliner flies and I know I've just jinxed all three of them Okay, wait, wait Ryan. I want to know in in your opinion and we should ask everyone this and also leave your comments I want to know what you guys think Which one goes first space launch system? Starship orbital or Starliner. I guess that would be orbital. I Start a starliner this station, right? Yeah, yeah, that would count which one goes so I'm not from the recent developments that have come from the FAA I'm not so sure whether Starship or SIS is going to go first But I know I feel that Starliner is definitely going to be the last one So I'm not sure about SIS and Starship. They could be kind of equal that Starliner is definitely last their neck and neck Yeah, all right, and then why I guess my last question for you is why are you passionate? About space. What what made you a space nerd? What got you hooked? I'm not sure to be honest. I've been into space things ever since I was a few months old really My dad always credits that it's him. I Um, I don't know whether that's true or not because I can't remember that far back But maybe it is maybe it isn't But yeah, it's just something I've always been interested in and it's just like how could you not be interested about space? It's so cool everything that's happening up there Well, you are one of our hosts So you are free at any time to interject which I realize is hard to do when you're on zoom with latency and whatnot but if you have questions of any of our guests that we've got up on the screen feel free to ask him and I feel like Why don't we we'll make our guests wait an extra moment? And why don't we go to Jared because I know you're doing a live stream as well So you're streaming twice and here's hoping like remember you have you're hoping Jared's audio is going to work correctly But Jared the same questions to you What were some of your favorite missions of 2021 and why? Okay, so first things first. I want to make sure that I'm sounding nice and I'm coming through a okay I'm just gonna say a few things just to make sure so you're good. You're good. Okay. Cool. Um, so oh my gosh Like you kind of the piggyback a little bit on what Ryan was talking about just seeing perseverance landing you know we've This is someone who is an engineer and involved in in that kind of stuff and just looking at it and The sky crane has always been this sort of nuts thing um, I Think you know Adam Stelzner Describes it as the right kind of crazy and I really agree with that it is nuts And it's the it's the right kind of nuts And to finally be able to see it in action after a decade and a half of when it was first designed Is so cool That was just amazing to get to get that footage Obviously ingenuity has been amazing with the way it's been flying I think something that a lot of people overlook a little bit with perseverance because you know NASA doesn't exactly push it much But the audio recordings that they've been making with perseverance, you know, we finally have a microphone On Mars they've been trying since Mars lander In 1999 and you know finally two decades later. We got it. Um, so So that was one There's a beautiful irony Jared that when you said microphone your audio froze So for those who don't know Betty White also just died so like the end of 2021 is like I'm not done yet And so it's not it's it's still working working against us So audio audio from obviously all the Starship flights. Oh Full blown still no, no, no go go. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. You're not talking about My audio you're talking about perseverance's audio. Yeah, it's just like hearing the rover in action and hearing it driving over rocks Is is just as bad as I was expecting aluminum wheels to sound So it's that was that was great And then the Starship flights obviously watching those Throughout a multitude of ways that they ended, you know, that's the way it goes in that type of fast Fast and loose and get it done kind of engineering And I gotta say China to China launching not only just the core module of their space station But also a crew to their space station and continuing to operate even now with their space station That's that's pretty exciting to see another Country coming into the realm of somewhere that the United States and the Soviet Union Russia That would dominate Normally, so that was really cool to see that with them and also I mean sample return missions to this year we had Yeah, I have to say to And Although I think there was a tail end of 2020, but we got the Residuous Rex coming back as well And it's just so much exciting to look forward to but also James Webb finally launching. Oh my gosh, like how many decades? We've been waiting for that to go and now here we are and it finally went and how about 2020 so 2022 so you you met first off I was surprised that you didn't put a lot more time into James Webb Space Telescope end of 2021 344 single points of failure, which turns out not to be exactly true But we're not done. I'm not gonna talk about it. I'm not chasing it We gave them a mountain of crap for that Yeah, we did on Twitter or in discord and everywhere else cuz like You know, you know, that's a future That's a future episode because there is this interesting dichotomy Between the robotic missions and the human spaceflight missions where and I think it was Doug Ellison on Twitter that pointed this out of You know, the Robotic missions are we've checked everything a million times like, you know, seven minutes of terror You know 344 point single points of failure, you know, there's a lot of risk here. None of this may work Which you know, there is a lot of risk and there is a possibility of failure and then with human space flight We're like we've trained. We know we know what to do. We're all good here. It's like, yeah, but They're kind of the same they're kind of the same. What so why are we looking at this different ways? And yeah, I think that's a future I think that's a future epic so 2022 Jared, what are you thinking? What are you excited for in 2022? Definitely excited for hopefully the space launch system Finally taking off that would be nice To see that also, I'm pretty sure Tori's gonna want his engine. So it would be nice to see Vulcan off as well in addition to that Obviously first results coming from James Webb assuming deployments and everything go. Well, I would absolutely That was just gonna be game-changing in every respect that you could possibly think of so Super exciting for that. Also, uh, We've got psyche launching the asteroid psyche a little bit later. That's gonna be really cool Very interested to see where starship is going And how the FAA is gonna go and actually I really would love to see Some policy revamps this year For the FAA in regards to both starship and like suborbital flights and other things like that I think the suborbital flights are gonna be really cool because you're gonna start to see More science being flown on those as opposed to Like rich people along for a joyride, which I mean, that's fine But the science has always been the exciting thing at least for me that, you know You no longer have to fly a payload to space with that expense You can do your test on a suborbital flight and and save millions of dollars that way. Um, and then also Definitely, you know, China is going to continue to build out their station Definitely excited to see what they're going to do with that and and if they're going to expand their program with that And then also, I mean, we're going to see the launch of the next round of mars missions Going there. So we've got rock cosmos launching their lander with the european space agencies rosa lin franklin rover So i'm super excited about that and seeing that finally off on its way Hopefully starliner flies. I really hope it does Simply because like the folks at bowing have worked pretty hard on it. So they deserve to finally get the fruits of their labor and then I think one of my favorite ones that's happening this year that nobody's really talking about Juno at jupiter is going to do a very close flyby of europa in september and i'm very excited to see the imagery from that Um, simply because we haven't had imagery since gal leo and juno should absolutely get Incredibly good detail imagery of europa and i'm very excited to see what it gets from that Save something for somebody else. Uh-huh. What actually So i'm i'm listening to everything and i'm like here's what's happening. Can you go to the multi view and full screen? um So everyone's basically listening to what jared is saying and then nodding like they're like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Yep, exactly And so it's to uh mac 2-2 on your board. I believe there Yeah, there there you go. Right. So everyone's just nodding right agreeing with jared And I think This isn't so part of what I want the show I have always wanted the show to be is a bunch of space nerds just like hanging out and having a conversation And when I am like you talk to me you talk to me I don't think that's really how conversations go So i'm going to add a little bit of chaos into this Conversation and I think what i'm going to do is we're going to open it up So we kind of know the general questions of like what's everyone excited about and so i'm going to open it up to everyone Who's decided to join in um live and kind of start with okay? You know, let's go back into the early parts of 2021 What are you guys excited about and let's talk about each one one at a time and see who agrees and like Maybe some people weren't very excited about that that's okay, too. You don't have to be excited about absolutely everything So i'll kind of open it up to the floor in general But that doesn't always work really well because no one ever wants to start so i'm going to randomly pick Mike is giving me the best facial expression Ah ha ha almost nick, but i'm going to pick mike because they give you the best facial expression So i'm going to pick we're going to start with mike What name one of your favorite 2021 missions and then we're going to open it up to the floor See if you guys agree disagree And or like why it's also one of your favorite missions Well, uh, thanks again for letting me uh to join you guys. This is going to be fun. Um Jared stole all my good answers, but um one thing i'll say uh That was pretty cool from this year is i'm officially calling booster landings boring They're like even boring now and which is awesome that uh, it's something that you know, uh Is just a part of the the normal Piece of space flight. It feels like at least to the layman like me. So I want to ask the entire group by show of hands everyone that's joined in live Do you agree? Do you feel that booster landings at this point have gotten to a stage that are boring? Okay, so one two Maybe Only if only if there's one at a time like two at a time is still cool as hell I want to see some more falcon nine heavy missions Uh, you know calm down That was the coolest video ever to see two of them land simultaneous. I want to see unbelievable I want to see three at a time Yeah, yeah, sorry about that Hey, you just need a boy Go ahead data. I think involving a rocket is exciting The only reason I really disagree with the land is not being exciting is I finally saw my first rtls mission this summer and it was If you've never seen one in person, it doesn't look right. It just doesn't look right You know, it's funny. I've actually never seen one in person I've I've had an opportunity to see a falcon nine launch. I've never had an opportunity to see one land I've uh in person I've seen plenty of them on video But basically all of them on video, but I've never seen one actually in person that that is on that's on my bucket list I I would love to see that sometime or hear it more specifically, right? Are you a good swimmer jamie? Yes, but i'm not swimming out to a drone ship. Those are really far. Those are really far I mean, I think you could make it if you just attach a buoy to yourself Okay, so for those who don't know that is an ongoing joke Because uh, you know landing video is very very difficult and I can't go into technically why and I can't go into any technical stuff But I will say it's actually very very difficult And there are a lot of youtube channels that have made videos about why it's so difficult And why some of them work better than others and I will say that most of them get some of the data right But no one's got all of it right and I guarantee you there will be someone who is like I don't understand why they don't just deploy a buoy and I It always gets me because I'm like think Think about what a buoy does out in the ocean think about how A buoy reacts out in the ocean and why it won't work anyhow So the control room the control room even at company x likes to give me a hard time about that and it's I'm sure they're gonna make buoy shirts someday just to wear them all into the control room just to get me going Yeah, it'll be great. Okay. But okay, but drones don't do that drones Well, yes, but uh, I can't go into technical information There is a yes, but there and you got to think think, uh, Oh, I can't do it. I can't do any of that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I It might be signal pop I bet I know why yeah, I can't you guys can talk about it. I can't talk about any of it I can't say any of it It was a requirement for when we were setting up remotes for Falcon 9. We couldn't have rf frequencies off our camera I bet you that's why you can't fly a drone near the landing Yeah, they got a requirement where you can't have a cell phone on a plane too. So No, you can have cell phones on planes. You just can't have them on you can't I'll have them on Yeah, but yeah, because you'll know Yeah, we all know how many planes we we keep crashing when we put our phones on during flight Actually, I have a legitimate question because I don't know the answer to this So when you go and you do a Falcon 9 shoot and you're at the pad and you're you're doing a launch You know no no signaling, but does that include wi-fi? Do you have to turn your wi-fi off too? Is it no rf whatsoever? Um, pretty much you just want to minimize it as much as possible It's not really a strict rule But if it's emitting too much your camera can get temporarily confiscated for the launch. Oh, wow I had no idea I've actually never uh, the last time we were out at launch was for shuttle and it was it was much It was very strict at that point like they they came through and monitored everything But it was a different era too, right? Like cellular wasn't what it is today. So Um, were there was there anyone else who said no to the booster landings like the booster landing still excite them Jared booster landing still excite you Okay, so is that okay? Hang on Jared you had a moment to go first So I want to go to zack first if that's all right because zack you actually answered So why why in the middle what why like what what still excites you but Abute booster landings and what uh, what doesn't Uh, I think they're really exciting for new people getting to get into space I think we're seeing a lot of new people kind of rediscover the space industry still and I've had the privilege of showing you know a falcon heavy launch and then booster landings is Some people even at work and just seeing their face the first time when it's a video of that happening Um, but I also love it when we get to see it actually coming down through that longer tracking video That gets me excited because you really get to see that whole returning to our planet Um, when it's kind of fuzzy the whole way through and then we see it then it's like, okay We landed another one, but it's still wait. We're actually landing rockets like this is crazy So is the favorite landing shot? Is this another question for the group? Give me the multi-view data question for the group by show of hands Um, which you've got effectively two options when you land you can either see the onboard rocket camera coming all the way down Do you prefer that so who prefers that shot over? The second shot, which is the onboard drone ship shot where you see you're externally looking at the rocket So show of hands who prefers the onboard rocket shot? That's because it works better All right, hang on Liam But so Liam says because it works better But what if they both was pretend for a moment and let's live in a fantasy world where they both work identically the same I know, but if they both worked identically the same, which one would you prefer? I'll actually ask Liam. I'll ask you which one would you prefer if they work the same the onboard rocket cam or the external drone ship cam? Assuming you had to pick one uh the external Interesting just and and yeah, I know I haven't sort of given a reason for that I do love both of them. So I've just got to say that's that's what's really there and and we have seen improvement Um, you know from the very first times that the use of being captured. So it's uh, it's not that things haven't moved the needle and Yeah, everything that Zack said about what it's exciting about tracking that it is pretty extraordinary to see this thing navigate itself in real time Back to a to a to a landing or a sea landing whatever, you know on the drone ship So in a way it it will never be routine, but in another way It's sort of like is becoming routine just because oh, yeah, SpaceX has got so They are you are now SpaceX is now the standard for because no one else is doing this kind of thing. So Um, it's just extraordinary that so quickly it's become You know in my view somewhat routine, but at the same time I'm looking at it I'm thinking this is the most amazing thing to witness Hang on Liam. So you said it would never be routine and I watched as the entire room all knotted in unison agreeing with you But right, but why why would it why there's got to be a point when it's routine. No Yeah, it might be Maybe for maybe for young Sorry, so I'm going to seize the microphone and speak irrespective. Yeah, I'm 100 landings You know the only excitement now really I mean it's always exciting. I always do watch them I'm don't make any mistake. I've given up watching them I don't always want to watch them live because the time zone is the right. I'm like I'm like My mind a Ryan I had to sleep at night But I mean it's it's still it's still yeah, it's still worth watching But I mean almost one is watching because something goes wrong because it's it's routinely successful now I think Steve was it Steve were you battling with Mike for the uh with uh nick for the mic? I was I I was just I was just saying for us people who grew up with The Apollo missions to seal a rocket land is still Just mind boggling But the young kids will get bored of it soon. Well, all right, but I think well Let's expand on that though. So you grew up with Apollo that I'm assuming Which was more which is more exciting to you a Saturn 5 launch or a Falcon 9 landing? Well, I only had so many Uh Apollo launches. We have so many more Falcon 9 landings. So At this point, I would say the first one that landed was I just cried You know just just cried uh But I I mean I grew up I'm I'm old enough to have seen them on the moon live on tv And um Nothing nothing will Beat that What what happens when we go back to the moon? Will it feel the same? Do you think or is it? Just yeah, it will feel the same. It will feel the same You know for a time and then it will be Just tourists going to the moon, you know, but the the first time back will be emotional Of course I think so too I think your No, go ahead. So the fun the fun was Yeah, I know I've switched off youtube entirely. I I'm just On the zoom but um for me you asked at the beginning your what stopped one off as a space stone for me It was Apollo 8 And it's so I so vividly remember that on tv. We only had color tv around that time So not only were we seeing tv on color in the uk, but then we had all the Apollo Activity and I remember so vividly. It was I think christmas 68 And the the mission profile was a figure of eight around the earth and the moon Which is 1968 Apollo 8 doing a figure of eight around the moon and so such a triple memorable thing That stuck in my mind and how old was I I was 15 So I think a 15 year old seeing something amazing and new for the first time that will stick in their mind for life And then of course there was nine when I can remember the sequence because nine tested the lamb in earth orbit 10 tested the lamb in in moon orbit and then 11 landed And I followed all of them And even at school we were allowed to watch television Whatever time it was we were allowed to watch the school the moon landings on television Probably quite late at night sometimes that was something I was at boarding school Well, here's hoping we get that back right we get some of that passion back Going backwards a quick step from the community. There are two comments I want to highlight the first one is from joseph gruber who said plain landings are routine But we still hang out at the fences at airports. Yeah, but like uh, not a lot of people do But I think you're not you're not necessarily wrong Although to a point that's probably also The sound and energy of the airplane landing. There's a certain Awesomeness to that engineering that you get to experience as it's landing. It's a good thing. They're not electric There's an ongoing debate about the sound of cars in our discord channel So if you'd like somewhere in one of our links somewhere, you could yeah, jared's just laughing You can you can hit up our discord channel and you can debate me on how I think cars should be silent like electric cars And then the second point actually comes. Oh, I missed it comes from brad who says i'm a relative newbie So landings are still cool to me and I think that goes to zax point Which is like, yeah, okay as space nerds we get used to these things and they kind of become commonplace Which by the way was her slogan for many years space big cast making space commonplace So awesome. We're starting to do that. I mean not space vidcast, but we is as humanity is starting to do that and I get that but there's always going to be someone who's introduced to it for the first time And being able to point to yeah, and jared's nodding his head being able to point to A rocket launch and be not just being able not just going. Hey, this happened, you know a little while ago But also then saying you know what? Let's watch this live together now watch what happens next. We're going to land this thing I think is pretty awesome The only thing I think is really missing is it's really hard to understand the scale and scope of a rocket on a screen Like you you just don't understand the sheer Size and power of these things. It doesn't look as big as it actually is. I've never figured out how to fix that So, all right, let's let's move on. So we go actually, you know, derrick go ahead That's by the way, that is a great technique if you raise your hand I might see it because I've got a spoon that shows me so go ahead derrick You mentioned the scale picture. I have one photo from stp3, which it was an atlas launch But um a friend of mine took it while I was walking back from setting my camera and i'm standing in front of I think it's one of the padlocks tanks and i'm about 300 feet from the rocket in this photo and yet i'm minuscule and I think that's the best scale i've ever Had in a photo. Let me see if I can pull it up and Find it again. I have no idea how sharing on zoom is going to work in this exact moment It'll be interesting. Give it a shot. Let's see what happens. I'll see what I can find Also gotta make sure no one is pinned because otherwise things might go to chaos Yes, you're gonna you're going to watch chaos happen on air everyone. It's going to be fun So you you locate that um and because I think that's important for people to under help understand the scale of these things Um jared, I feel like you raised your hand earlier as well Yeah, I just wanted to speak to the uh the power of of Spaceflight and new people being introduced to it. Um, I went to the launch of dart Um, and I had my jeep with three people and it had never seen a launch before Um, and even though we were to me we were not in an ideal place to watch it because of um, some of the low-hanging Clouds and haze that night, but we we saw it. It was beautiful It was beautiful. We got some of the noise from it and I was for me It was just like, ah man, like I wish I could have had them a lot closer But for those three my three friends has never seen a launch before got to see it. They were it was just mind blown Absolutely. They're now addicts of space. Um, they you know, their twitter feeds for the launches that have happened recently I've seen them talk about them and they they're not space people. That's the thing. So, um Yeah, it's just just a power in in space flight for the uninitiated if you will That really kind of rings out that that desire and people And then you cruise by Hawthorne and see the the rocket on display on your your way home from vandenberg to just like double blow your mind I do actually recommend that if you're ever in california Um, southern california over if you if you land in lax, you know, space x is only a 15 minute drive If that from lax and they've got a first stage booster is the og2 booster the very very first booster that space x ever successfully landed Um is sitting outside It's only the first stage and if you can find a place to park over there, which is kind of tricky Um, but if you're gonna find a place to park over there, you walk up to it and just like stand under it and look up at it There's something weird about rockets where you don't actually understand their scale until you're standing next to them and looking up at them Even if you're in a car driving past them, you're like, oh, that's pretty big I don't know why you need to stand why you jared's laughing at me But you need yeah, you need to like stand there and actually like look at it like right under it And you go one of these things they landed this out at sea. That's incredible. Well airplanes have people holes Airplanes do have people holes. How is that relevant? That gives you a sense of scale. Okay, I guess I guess Well, it's it's really great how uh, you're now space x is now sharing them at other places where people can get a chance to experience that For themselves like the one that's now at space center, houston Um, can yeah, we want more of that. Okay, as well Mm-hmm. Yeah, all of that. So I think uh, it it will really just Allow that opportunity for people to have that experience you described jamey that I've been lucky to have Underneath that one outside the space x Hawthorne Actory it's and it is exactly as you described so so very special And you can't describe it you can describe it but you to get the feeling you've got to be there I do want to make an awkward aside Unrelated to anything we're talking about because I'm about to change topics. So as I do that Um, there is a new feature that terrence is working on in the chat room and it's a show bot A linkedin nightbot and so this gives you the viewers anyone watching live You have the ability including every all of our guests in the chat room if you just type exclamation s for exclamation for submission And then space and then what you want to call this episode You can actually submit a name for this episode and we can vote on it and whatever we vote on That will be the episode name and we'll try to kind of do it moving forward But fun thing to play with all right So we've we've lingered on space x and booster landings and like all that for a hot minute Let's kind of move on so mike started us off with like some of this stuff He was one of the things he was excited with let's move to um, actually john you joined in a little bit late So How dare you i'm just kidding. Uh, so welcome, uh, welcome as a guest. Why don't we start with you next? What are we haven't tested your audio again living dangerously? Can you hear me? Oh, yeah? Yeah, we got you great. Um What are you what were you excited about in 2021? Oh, 2021. Wow. Um boy I would have to say, you know early earlier this year with the um, um, you know starship tests Um, that was this year, right? I mean, yeah, we I mean, yeah, we seem to have kind of lost our way at least you know in the summer and um You know, there were a few you know static fire tests but Were the flights last year? Uh, I think there were this you like there were flights last year there were There were flights this year. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So What was it 15 that successfully Landed without burning itself But yeah, that was that that would be have to be The biggest part for me except the successful launch of the jw st that Was kind of a you know hold your breath moment And hope to god it works I think it's you're still holding your breath though, right because like We don't know if it's lucky. We all are That's an extended breath holding. Yeah Actually, uh, so we'll we watch it and it's like a slow motion if you if you watch the um, I think nasa has it and a lot of um, you know people on youtube are posting it you know the the um um progress Of the jw st as it heads out to l2 and it's like Slow motion It's it's like just open up like a flower or something right now You know and get it over with but you know, I totally understand the whole thing and You know, I can't wait till the first images come back from that and the work of Thousands of people over decades um will be vindicated And you know we mankind will get the opportunity to look even further Into the universe with even more clarity um Boy, but isn't that like six months after it gets to l2 Yeah, it takes a minute like it's uh Yeah, it's going to take a minute and then I think dud has actually pulled up one of the links that would I think we just I think what's thank you ryan for giving us that link. Um Well, you can actually see a timeline of when everything's going to happen and um, You know, you know, I think kind of extending the thought of james webspace telescope because that was a major epic thing that happened in 2021 Raj in the chat room asks were you all excited to finally see james webspace telescope launch now? I assume that everyone in everyone in the is gonna like nod their head. Yeah, so It's gonna be we'll be hard-pressed to see but no, I didn't really care, right? Like this is this was an epic moment, right? man man, right So I guess I'll start with um um Let's start with derrick and like what was james web launched like for you first off. Did you stay up to watch it? Did you watch it live? I woke up early christmas morning to watch it live. Yes. Yep But um, no, I mean for me literally, um, I'm only 19. So I james webs been going on my entire life Yeah, no since before you were born. Yeah, that project started from before you were born. Yep But um, no, I just that I was I just remember sitting there In the morning because I got up early. I threw it on the tv and I just sat there And I just remember thinking okay to our window today. We can we can launch today. It'll be good And then it went right at the start and I was like, oh my god It's not on our planet anymore. What have we done? What have you done? uh But no, I mean I'm I'm really looking forward to finally seeing what it produces up. God. Well, it's the jpl team behind it They've got a lot of they've done a lot before they can do a lot again. So Is web jpl or ap it's apl, isn't it apl? Sorry Uh, liam, how about you? Did you stay up for james? What did you watch? I assume you did? Uh How about you? Yeah? Yeah, it was one of those things set the alarm and make sure, uh, the alarm is set by having a second alarm Because I have been known to miss a launch because the first alarm was silent for some silly reason It wasn't this time. So my single point of failure for myself was Was overcome But yeah, it is just extraordinary Um, just recognizing it's it has gone. I love what you said derrick. It's off the earth now It's on its way. There's nothing more that we can do Beyond signaling and commanding to actually deal with anything that comes up next. So I think it's extraordinary I loved hearing the progress. I think planet 4589 was his name. Anyway, jonathan who tracks orbital stuff He was posting the progress and I was following his post too And it's it's so great to get the understanding that this amazing accomplishment is Launched into space and it's basically just You know reaching is going to reach l2 You know, it's going fast and fast and fast and then it's just slowing down on its on its route towards l2 And it's just like you've thrown something up in the air And eventually it reaches its peak apogee and then it starts coming back down again But just at that point is when you know, obviously it will be doing various course corrections and things But nevertheless, it sort of catches itself before it begins its fall back to earth I just love that whole concept of orbital dynamics as far as how that works Um, so we do have an interesting comment from the chat room, but before we get to that I did want to say liam It is a little dangerous for you to be out in space without a space suit Yes, uh, sorry about that. Yes. This is this is my deal showing Pre-recorded footage from the space station. Is that the hdv? It while hdv Is no longer here, but this is the replacement. It's called ehdc enhanced high definition camera system And this is the one that's permanently pointing down towards the earth except when the no orca module Decides to do some air and boost the firings and the space station Come back to that's one of my exciting things for 2021 was when that happened and I was watching it live I think I think you were the one that broke that on twitter, weren't you like I sort of did. Yeah, I remember Um, I remember seeing you tweet that and I was like this can't be right And so I searched and looked around for news articles Anything out of nasa anything else on twitter and I saw nothing other than your your tweets and then I was like Yeah, but like I mean I I trusted you and like I think there might be a thing going on right now I literally heard the loaq loss of altitude control um stuff and Saw the station spinning on the live video feed You want to talk about that for a minute because like that was a big deal And I don't think it got enough attention because nasa was like it's fine. We trained for this. It's like Yeah, okay, but like it's kind of a big like If you look at the x y z uh plot charts of like what the station did it it Moved a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was the reason why I got into doing blender animations from the live telemetry So I regularly on my twitter feed my personal twitter feed at leon kennedy I I capture the live telemetry that is available to the public if you know where to get it from Uh, so on there I can track your pitch and roll and uh scott manley took some of my initial plots, uh, which unfortunately exhibits something called gimbal lock, which is a software issue with how I calculate that And it makes it look as if the station was going in some really higgledy-piggledy thing Whereas really what it did was Uh, a 540 degree flip so Yeah, it was extraordinary when I saw it happening because it was shortly after the docking of nauka and things seemed to be going well, although The route of nauka 2 the space station was fraught with problems as well You know, they they for a while They didn't know if they could even get the boosters to fire To get it to reach the orbital altitude it needed to so It was like just thing after one thing after another and when I was watching the live video feed About an hour after docking and I suddenly saw this thing The station's doing something it should not do And yes, it is uh, yes that they're all sort of trained for this But nevertheless There was some concern That um because this is what usually happens when the station does do a maneuver it it uh regularly does What's called a opm maneuver where the station flips around 180 degrees You know every few months it does these for various reasons dockings and things But whenever there's anything like that happening the solar panels are locked So they don't the solar panels themselves are not moving. Well in this case In various times they didn't get a chance to to lock the solar panels So they the solar panels were rotating And um, I understood from some messages I got from some flight controllers about this incident I was one of the first to actually create the plots, especially the 3d animation using blender and uh They wanted to know if I could also plot the angles of the solar panels Because they were they I'm sure they've done it by now, but at the time They were having meetings to consider What the stresses were involved in the station because several days afterwards they were doing some very careful analysis of the structural Issues around the station that could have happened due to that So it was very very exciting and That's an understatement Liam I just couldn't believe it as it was happening. Um, you know, I got to tweet several other occasions where things were happening live for instance the second Accidental firing of of A couple of thrusters. That was a Soyuz though, right? It was a Soyuz Yeah, it was actually the one that contained the three It was the crew of the russian actress So it was a another sort of semi private flight Soyuz and it was their return vehicle That um someone during a test to make sure it would fire properly for for undocking Um, that's where it it just didn't stop firing and it ran out of its allotted fuel um, and that also spun the station but Much uh, uh, less of a of a twist than than the nauka incident, but nevertheless too In uh, in relatively uh quick succession. It was quite something I I remember uh, so I saw your twitter and then I I jumped on us I was kind of listening to space to ground a little bit And I was trying to determine like how serious this is and I heard something along the line It's not an exact quote, but it's something along the lines of unexpected loss of signal and I went Oh Oh, this is bad. This is really bad and you could hear it in their voice. They were it as with everything in, um Um, houston uh mission control They're always professional. They were always very calm, but there's this level of like They're speaking a little faster than normal and their their sentences are very very pointed and direct And so you could tell there was just kind of at least like Extra pucker factor with everything that they were doing just trying to figure out what was going on Did anyone else follow that live in the in the room? Like was that a moment of Yeah, so derrick derrick and zack. So actually why don't we start with zack? Like what was that like for you when you were following that live? What were you thinking when you're like, oh, oh my gosh the space station's spinning I found it just like you from liam's tweet and that was actually the first time liam and I connected over twitter actually um, and it was just The idea of it spinning the idea of like what's the crew thinking and going through like especially As nasa kind of went on with it. Oh, we're fine. We trained for this. It's like, yeah, but how thin are those walls? Like let's actually think about we're twisting like take a piece of paper and twist it You know, we're not talking crazy difference. Um, and that we have no control over it And at the time we didn't know when they were going to regain control Especially if that early uh station of ground comes Uh, I think as you said listening to that was very Eye-opening of just like what the procedures were and what they were going through but it was a lot of okay Let's just sit and wait and figure out what's kind of going on But hearing you know close the hatches prepare the capsules That's not something you want to hear on the space station. It's something that uh growing up I didn't realize as a kid watching the solar rays unfold that I was watching the beginning of the space station as a kid So it's been something that I've watched my entire life develop and thinking no We're going to lose this before we have a replacement which now we know it's going to take five to 10 years What are we going to do if we don't have a low earth orbit? Laboratory or observatory what science are we going to lose what research is going to expire and get delayed? Um, so my mind was going to the the what ifs, uh, not necessarily for the station, but for what we get out of station Okay, so that's an interesting question. Do we feel that a low earth uh observatory Laboratory is a better is a more fun way to say that is super useful as compared to say a l2 Well, you know, let's actually say a lunar laboratory something further in deeper space Is there more value in something that's closer to say the moon? As opposed to something that's still within the protection of our magnetosphere Or should it's a value in something close to earth? I'll leave it for the whole group. Yeah, exact. You're still up. So I'll leave it back to you Um, I think for some of the stuff they're working on with the medical industry of Kind of being able to change how we look at maybe doing skin grafts and things in the future Using dna cells. It's we need something this close. We can't do Multi-day sending out multi-day sending back. We need to have that Uh, kind of direct access uh for it. Um, but I think it's we're getting to that point where All of them are going to be necessary We're getting those different views and I think James Webb is really going to show that In, you know, what can we see so different from here with Hubble Versed doing a bigger mission out to that l2 point. Let's see the difference. Obviously, it's a different type of telescope as well, but Um, is it necessary? I think so and I think there's so much we get out of space that we don't We would just take for granted so much stuff that we've gone from the Apollo program and from the ISS program that uh, we use every day. So I think we need both Nick has literally raised his hand in the zoom So I'm going to pass it to nick because you can actually see his his right hand raised up. So nick your thoughts Obviously been doing a lot of zoom over the last two years We've all gotten very good at it at this point. Yes Yeah, I mean Muncher gravity is the big thing that so many different uses therefore and Low earth orbit is fine for that or middle earth orbit Luna wouldn't be bug gravity at all. So I'm not sure what science would find it better on 16g than than zero the federally zero g And the l2 point seems a very long way to go. I mean the main benefit is stuff that you get sunship where you get some sun shielding um, you're behind the earth and you're not quite in the shadow are you but but Um, I can't see the point of going a long way to go to l2 Uh, whereas low earth orbits quick up quick down and lots of microgravity for all the stuff you don't want to do that I think I would agree with l2 Well, I think I would agree with l2 I think the big thing for me at least with the international space station It is still protected by a magnetosphere to a pretty large degree So your radiation bombardment in deep space observation is really difficult for us to do actual science on So if we're going to use this as a way to um, send humans to You know distant worlds our our own moon or mars It's going to it's you don't have all of the data necessary and lia liam has now you're all raising your hands in zoom So i'll i'll pass it over i'll pass it over to liam who's raised his hand Yeah, so really what i'm uh chatting about is to do with microgravity experiments, which cannot really be done Anywhere other than microgravity, of course, so I think the moon is a perfect long-term place I think for us to establish a base Where we're doing those kinds of of experiments that are appropriate in a lower a lower gravity environment But uh, and partly that's just because i'm you know ever since space 1999. I've just wanted there to be a um, you know a lunar base But uh microgravity, I think that's where there are ability to do the kinds of experiments that cannot be done in a gravity based environment, so I I don't think we're ever not going to be in a position where it will be valuable to have a low earth orbit Space station, so i'm really looking forward to the developments coming up You know for having those kinds of low earth orbit Space stations still in existence obviously now with the recent release today of nasa's information about the biden harris administration Speaking to guaranteeing the space station is going to be there until 2030 So that just came out today on new year's eve of friday slow news day So and just where we're going in that area. So yeah, that's that's where I am with that I think there's experiments in low earth orbit that still need to happen there um And and yet I still want to have a base on the moon Oh, don't we all though like I think we're all excited to go back to the moon Mars is fun too, but there's something about the moon where you just walk outside And you can look up at night and you can point at it and everyone knows where it is and what it is Right marz is a little bit harder. Go ahead, uh, john No audio john unmute We still can't hear you john unmute your microphone There you go. There you go. There you go I guess I was Oh the whole time it's like on um Um, I don't know anyhow, um Well, we you know in the next 50 years I see us developing the sys lunar economy um Yeah, low earth orbit is for um, basically Uh Manufacturing in the microgravity environment Where it's closer to earth where you can manufacture stuff like, um You know really good fiber optics and also they're talking about what was it? Um you know making Human parts organs and stuff like that in microgravity um that would Pay, you know the bill for doing it there. Um The moon and such is a place for resources and also a um kind of a A place to build as a kicking off point So um over time Uh, we'll build an economy between the earth and the moon And that will be built up enough to where we are ready to really um You know jump off um into deeper space uh the You know stuff like mars um You know, I love what elan's doing with starship and stuff and we need Starship don't get me wrong but um You know starship can be used for more than a cannonball run to mars Um before we are ready uh, so um You know, that's kind of the way i'm seeing it. So we need it all we need leo geo Lunar we need to um establish ourselves there. We need to get used to living um in microgravity and in situations where Uh radiation is really high because we're basically outside of um the earth's A magnetic belt uh to protect us and We'll learn we'll adapt and then we'll move on and You know, that's kind of the way I see it So Jared you had your hand up. Do you still then you took it down? Do you still have a I can hand it to you? Yeah, I I just wanted to say that I think uh one of the things that we really forget about with the international space station is that it's been Unoperating since 1998 and it's had a continuous human presence for over 21 years now And that's been extremely valuable in learning how to perform a mission over a very long period of time um, you know before Before the international space station, you know, the united states have done 84 days maximum on skylab 4 We really we hadn't even touched three months. So we really didn't know how to actually run long duration missions Um, and if you're gonna go somewhere like mars, you know, you're two and a half years total Um on a mission for that if you want to return at least if you're going to stay then you're going to be obviously They're permanently and you kind of need to understand long-term operations So that's a very advantageous thing to me for low earth orbit Mostly because if something goes wrong, you can get back very very quickly Uh, but yeah, I just just a little thing because I know a lot of people say that the international space station It's useless. It's it's you know, we've been stuck there in low earth orbit now the things but The same time to me Being in low earth orbit 20 years we've kind of ended up learning how to actually run a mission for 20 years And that's pretty long and that's going to be very handy for us once we go out further Jared i'm gonna have to buy you starling in 2022. Your bandwidth is terrible, but we got you. We got you. We heard you We heard you um, all right So mike you started us off and with the 2021 stuff and i'm gonna talk I'm gonna have you start us off again with 2022 looking forward. What are you most excited about in 2022? There's a lot of stuff to be excited about. I think j dub unfolding and Maybe finding aliens that would be pretty cool in 2022 um, maybe uh, you know, even maybe there might be a little drama with the unfolding But if it all gets settled out, that would be fine. A little excitement is always fun um Psyche I'm gonna pause you on that one. A little excitement is fun for everyone but the engineers who designed it It might be fun for you, but there are people who are sweating bullets on like right now up until it's actually operational Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, no no excitement on jw Well, no, no, we've had enough 10 billion dollars Delays no excitement. Let's get it out there and turn it on Yeah It wouldn't be it wouldn't be epic if that were all it is you launch it into l2 and you just flip a switch and it's on Let's do it. Let's do it I'm sorry. All right, so mike continue Um, yeah, I think I was saying I think the psyche mission is going up this next year That's going to be exciting. Obviously Seeing a horrible Starship launch if that is approved would be amazing Um perseverance still trucking Curiosity is still trucking. Uh, so just watching that, you know, watching that daily click as a salt that daily salt clicking away is always fun Um, what else? What am I forgetting? Oh, we're gonna have a bunch of cool landings on the moon. Hopefully, right? So we're gonna start the a whole new page of uh, Some private people landing stuff on the moon. Uh, maybe some cryptocurrency landing on the moon I don't know what I don't even really know what a crypto currency is if anyone can explain it. It's great. Um, Yeah, why did you do that? Why did you do that? Oh, oh, you you've doomed the channel now. Oh, man What are you doing to us feel free to tweet me and uh, you know, give me some financial advice on a crypto That's great Everyone make an nft of Mike. Yeah Um, I believe uh, the european space agency is sending a mission. I think it's called like juicy or juice um, that's gonna go uh Sniff out, uh, I think um some some moons of I think it's i'm a jared catch me from rock sad or in jupiter One of the big ones one of the big dogs Um, so that'll be cool Uh What else? Um, you know, one thing I'll say it's gonna be a little boring, but I think it's cool It's just watching that jade that um, james web website I mean, I think that for the for the average citizen just being able to like Track something like that over a website is pretty cool too. So I've caught myself checking that out And so if they keep doing that with other missions, that'll be a really cool thing to to keep an eye on You know, well, I want to give uh Zach a quick shout out because I think Zach is at your channel that actually has a live stream Um going 24 seven of the james web. It's basically got like this timeline on the bottom account up I think it is. I'm trying to remember it off the top of my head. I've actually gone to it a couple times on youtube Just to drew a real quick like status check of where we are It's actually a really great little asset that he's got going on So if you are interested in like Zach, how can people find that live stream? I'll grab a link. Thanks for checking it out. Yeah, we uh, we we love that the website's there And I I think like Mike and many others have said we hope that NASA does this more and other agencies as well because I think I've been absolutely blown away and like not statistics or anything because it doesn't matter But you know, we all want more people to watch it We've had millions of views in the last 96 hours of this That's how excited people are and like we're talking with people in the chat around the world And the amazing part is we've had numbers of people from the james web team dropping in the chat And talking with people and answering questions because There are a lot of them that have built it that aren't necessarily going to do anything now or just as anxious to see if they're Kind of baby actually deploys and works, but they want to be surrounded in the community Um, so it's been neat for that, but I'll grab a link for that Yeah, but yeah drop it in the chat room and then dada can try to bring it up on and so everyone can see it Because it's it's actually pretty cool It helps with the anxiety. It's like a big james web xanax, you know, you can just check in I feel like that is the title of the show a james webs Yeah Jared might need one of those Or two You know or 29 or 344 or 320. Yeah, I think it's not 344. It's not it's not 344 um You know anyone let's go to uh, steve. Actually, what are you excited for in 2022? Hey, thanks, um So i'm i'm really appreciative of the engagement of uh, the space agencies to uh elevate their coverage of their events and I think that's a nod to uh channels like tmro and the coverage of space x Uh channels like dr. Becky and scott manly and bokeh cheek of mary And just generating interest Uh and and showing what people really want to see And how engaged they are and I think Uh james web, uh, if you go out there right now, you can tell how many miles they are away from earth right now Uh, you know, they're they're they're just so close to 50 of the way there uh One of the things i've learned from that site is just Uh, you know, I was thinking once you get off earth, you're done with earth's gravity Uh, but you're not You know jwst is fighting earth's gravity the whole way Its cruising speed is reducing The entire way out to l2 It's amazing to watch how how it's it's uh It's its velocity is is reducing As it gets out to l2 it's so amazing how powerful gravity is even Almost 500 000 miles away from earth. It's still it's still dragging on stuff. It's still pulling it in. It's it's amazing. It's it It's crazy So in in the next year i'm i'm i'm worried about kessler effects and satellite space and garbage collection and low earth orbit Uh, I think the russians did a crazy thing this year Now blowing up a satellite and low earth orbit and just creating a mess That everybody has to keep track of to be fair. They're not the first ones to do it, right? So russia No, no, no, the united states does done it. Absolutely, but you think we'd know by now. This is they did it big time This is not a good thing to do. They had a reason I I think an evolving story that's going to happen Um, I think in the next few years is this, uh Bernadinelli Bernstein comet that's coming It it's you know, it's it's You know, I think I think this comet is is a huge comet that's coming in into the inner solar system and I think we have a great opportunity to kind of observe this this, uh This heavenly body that's coming in and I think we should Really think out of the box of our opportunity to to kind of go study this this this body and I I can't wait to see what people come up with on that But that's what i'm looking forward to so someone and I missed who it was someone has said That russia had a good reason for the asat test. Uh, what I don't actually know what that reason is I believe they did it as this I don't want to sound like um, you know conspiracy or anything like that, but there's strategic reasons that, um russia did that Not just as as a message to say we can do it but um Countries like russia in china Are not happy I would say about starlink because starlink can, um impede on the security of their states and um, you know such um Where I think the um You know the anti satellite hit the satellite um was in Approximately close to the orbits where starlink is at and I think, um uh with the growth of um You know space x internationally In the context of of you know more of a strategic overlook They are um impeding on these other nations and um You know it's like what happened with recently with the um uh chinese Space station where they said they had to maneuver their space station to avoid a starlink satellite Um, I think this is going to be more and more of a problem for starlink and and space x as a whole and um So that's why I think that was a message um You know, it wasn't the entire message that russia sent But it was part of the message that russia sent with using Doing an anti satellite uh Direct demonstration in earth orbit So late, you know When just about everyone can do it including india so I hope I hope that's not the case. I don't know why they did it like if if that is true It seems very childish of them, but you know, what do I what do I know? um Yeah, who was who else was up live when that happened I was too as another one of those moments where I got to hear the uh spaced-a-ground traffic of The astronauts being woken up early. Um, yeah, they wanted to deal with that They put their own cosmonauts in danger by doing that. Yeah, like yeah It just just absolutely ridiculous and the amount of it's crazy amount of debris now Thankfully, it's it's being tracked a lot more accurately than it used to be but nevertheless Just extraordinary and that was another point where we got to hear because the crew had to Safe haven into their respective spacecraft That there was the time when that was the first time that spacex had to deal with um, their spacecraft being used in that manner and there was some very interesting space-a-ground traffic where uh Hawthorne was on the line uh mission control Houston was on the line and you could hear everyone Dealing with what they were having to do as far as procedurally to deal with this and the question was whether they should uh prepare to leave if they if they're if the crew dragon had a um Had a hit and It was an interesting conversation where uh, houston overruled what what was One of the the comments was yes, you should just uh We'll get you to undock and leave right away and then houston said no, we're gonna belay that We will have you all uh go back into the station and we'll assess from there So it was a very interesting Um, you know to be a fly on the wall It's it still amazes me that we get get that opportunity with space-to-ground traffic on the live One of the live video feeds Do you know I feel bad for the houston controllers because I feel like the end of 2021 for them Was just like filled with extra excitement and they i'm they must have all aged a decade in the last like You know month of the year or so month or two like Not not not fun not fun some very interesting twitter Um live tweets uh from the flight controllers and flight directors where they were really reacting to that so Uh, yeah, you were getting the sense. They were remaining Uh professional uh in the places they needed to be you know out there in the public But uh, you could very very well see that This was not the kind of shift that they wanted to wake up and walk into handling in mission control Um, yeah Let's move on to the the last part that I kind of wanted to talk about with everyone, which is um What make what made you a space geek like what was that tipping point for you where you're like? I love this stuff. This this is a lot of fun um, and let's start with um He'll let's start with derrick because derrick's got his hand up Uh start over there assuming that's the topic you wanted to talk talk about but if you've got another topic Because you brought yeah that is. Um Yeah, I mentioned this briefly to you right before we started. Um But for me as a kid the first rocket for me I always had a passing interest because I lived in florida and I got to see a few shuttles as a kid but Aries one and aries five to me were the first rockets. I ever followed closely in development. Um, Particularly, I remember every day going to nasa.gov and looking what's the newest thing on aries one and you know I didn't know about any of the space news stuff. I didn't know about the community I was just a kid wanting to see the Wanting to see my apollo program take place and it's It's weird being where we are now because it's so different Any yet, I feel like we are in the strongest Space program we've ever had. I mean what space program in history has said two super heavy lift rockets Potentially coming online within two weeks of each other. Like that is unheard of And yeah, we're that's what we're looking at next year and It's It was those kind of things because my mom she got to see the apollo 11 launch in person and you know I'm sitting here thinking wow, I'm I'm gonna get to see that in my lifetime now that I've dreamed of since I was Extremely little So it that's what got me into it and I like Spreading that to other people getting them excited about it because It's it is excited. So What's really interesting is you're talking about aries one and aries five And there is there is and primal duo would on twitter would be very angry at me saying this But there's heritage from aries five in space launch system So all of the stuff that you were excited about with the aries five kind of worked its way through the government bureaucracy and Ended and solidified on space launch system. So you've actually kind of watched it from the beginning. Yeah, I mean Really? sls an aries five. There's a lot of there's a lot of fundamental differences But capability wise especially once we get to block one being blocked too It's what I it's what I've been following since day one And we're watching that unfold here and now Alongside of it now we're effectively going to have a space shuttle that we can then refuel and send it out to the moon with it And it's We built we're building an insanely strong space program And I think next year we're going to see a lot more people start to realize about having all of this available is Better than having just one of it Ryan, thank you very much for the image. He posted this in discord It renders a little bit funny on our systems, but you'll get the idea and that is That is space launch system and an aries five and you know, it's not to say that Difference. Yeah, it's not to say that aries five is the space launch system. I don't think that's a fair comparison I think what what I'm saying is there's a pathway from aries five to space launch system There's absolutely you get to you get to sls through the aries five Yeah, yeah, so Also, uh, let's uh, let's actually liam. You're next in in the quad view. We're we're moving across the quad view. That's not a quad view It's a Octa view I guess Liam what what got you passionate about space? How did you what was that tipping point for you? It was yeah, and I'm an Apollo child Yeah, so I was six years old in the uk So that was what really just established my interest in space. I was just the That six-year-old who was the reason why My dad was forced to stay up all night Because we didn't know when the bbc were going to be sharing the moon the first moonwalk and For us, although it landed at 9 p.m. Ish. I think uk time for me The the actual walk was going to be variably at some future time So my dad stayed up sitting in front of the tv And then we all got woken up early in the morning to to view the first Uh footprints of mankind on the moon and yeah, I've just been Uh enthralled in that view of us as human beings Ever since then, uh, you know, I've got to say a six-year-old can feel that just as hard as anyone else can And I think that's something for all of us to remember although yeah now i'm Getting on a little bit in in my years It's something I think derrick what you said really called to be you're 19 years old But you know, you found a way that there was something that got to you that had you get interested And we've all got to find our own ways to do it and I've got to say for 2022 I think that's what i'm looking forward to are all of those opportunities where a whole new crop of people Can find their own Reason to be inspired by what we can do as human kind when we work together. That's what it really all means to me It's just amazing If only at six years old, I'd realize that hey Just because the uk's own space program dies on on the vine so to speak the black hour I think it was called and we gave up doing anything In space at that time I realize now. Hey, I could have just still set my sights to come over to the usa and work at nasa Now I get my own version of that being an education partner with the iss national lab, but That's that's what I think is available to all of us is is being inspired In your own way. There's so many different ways that you can find your place in space Find your place in space. I like alliteration. That's fun. Thank you, leo Jared, I know we did a bunch of the stuff in the beginning before I kind of was like, this is too formal Let's break it up. Um, did we get to how you became a space nerd? I don't remember Um, no, we didn't we didn't touch on that, but I can definitely, you know talk talk about it a little bit. So Yeah, go for it Yeah, well, I mean, it's uh, I pretty much blame my parents Um, you know, I was very lucky as a kid and they had parents that were very supportive of me and very much like Oh, you want to go try this? Well, you'd be the only boy there, but go for it and Dad working at Northrop. You're probably had it pulled this down. Obviously, you're probably well familiar with some of my dad's best work Um there You know that and getting to see things like that and then my mom pursuing that and really really just feeding that desire that I had to to be a you know, just to learn as much as I could and soak everything up like a sponge um and living near JPL That's pretty much what we That was like my bread and butter as a kid growing up like yeah, sure shuttle was happening, but I had JPL in the backyard. So um, so Things like mar and things that I remember things like mars pathfinder You know the first rover we landed on mars or Also, uh I'm trying to think of all the missions again deep space one was one that I can remember I was like an ion engine. What the heck is that? Oh, that sounds so cool um, so All these different missions Happening in my own backyard getting to go to JPL and see these things during JPL open houses and my parents basically saying go Go for it and what you whatever you need will make it happen that definitely Um got me interested in spaceflight and basically has led to where I am today Which is here on tomorrow and elsewhere and have them having a great time sharing the universe with everyone You've got a fun exciting future ahead of you. I'm excited to see where that goes in 2022 Hopefully great things for you. Um, I think we hit a couple of children of Apollo next Next up with nick. How did you become? I'm going to have to assume Apollo But like what what got you attached to space? What made you a passionate space nerd? Well, I talked about it earlier Apollo 8 onwards. Um, watching on live tv um, the landings as well are incredibly dramatic with the aircraft purries in the pacific and helicopters and all that That was just amazing got me hooked. I mean, I guess I was aware of jamie and I before that I think mercury I was just too young And jamie and I didn't get really live coverage on tv that I remember that may be some of its black and white and very grainy As far as I remember anything. I still don't know if I was watching any of it live But I'm beyond that it's been human spaceflight. That's that's really, you know, been of interest to me Although things like falcon. I mean landing that first booster that was something wasn't it? And and so now it's it's starship for me. Um, yeah, I mean the science stuff is interesting and and so on but Some of it works. Some of it doesn't the last a few years They the the missions sort of aren't getting the publicity onto the first enthusiasm at least publicly But that the starship will just change everything if it succeeds And that's you know, gonna be the big watch for me for 2022 Uh, I the next child of Apollo is steve, right? So Um, same question to you. How did you become a hardcore space? It's been um several iterations really uh Apollo of course I was you know, maybe six or seven and The walk happened and I it's one of my first memories I can put a date to um But it's it stayed it stayed with me my whole life shuttle and you know the whole The whole disaster happened on my tv During my college years and just It was heartbreaking to lose these people dedicated their lives to the betterment of our We're understanding of our place in the world, uh, you know folks You know, I I guess I took a hiatus from there. Uh, kind of took a break but found my way back to space through Outlets like tmro actually um just a passionate expression of of things going on in space and a community of people that only genuinely cared about how we reach out to Uh, what's out there and uh, just you know, uh between Jared and Jamie and data and the whole whole folks there at tmro are just really thankful for your commitment to Uh, telling us what's going on every week It's hard to stay up with everything going on at the moment, but One of the most endearing things I can say is the ingeniousness of massa and the human spirit uh to overcome obstacles uh The the stuck uh high gain antenna where they How are they gonna fix this problem and they And they noodled over it noodled over it and had the smartest people in the world thinking about the physics of having this device so far away from us And being able to think of rotating it and to oscillate its temperature to create a physical Uh manifestation and advice that's so far away from us and correct a problem unbelievable Uh as a software person Hardware always boggles my mind Because it really has to work Software you can always patch Hardware has to work. Sometimes you have to patch hardware too It's so amazing, you know so amazing And so just the ingenuity of humans Out of of what we've done Really has inspired me Uh, so next in the list is zack Not a child of apollo I I assume you're not really a child of shuttle either. Are you like your generation is Artemis? I like in like an upcoming generation. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, kind of the middle I was born right at the end of 95 the end of december of 95 So I was lucky enough to catch kind of a decade of the shuttle But obviously as a young kid through it um I don't really know where space entered the home But it was just something that was there my grandfather was a ham radio operator And uh, one of my you know earliest memories as a kid I was drawing space shuttle at three That was one of the first things as a kid that I obsessed over drawing accurately But as a kid being ham radio operator We had the the opportunity to talk to the station a few times and I think from that point from this room actually but from that point on Space seemed accessible even though it was very much not at that point It was oh, you know, we'll just go downstairs and we'll call the space station if they're flying overhead and talk to an astronaut Why not didn't do it often, but it was it was a really neat thing to Know that that's what you know that with technology we could do that and see and how technology evolved um followed shuttle Extremely closely to the point where a local restaurant put in a tv So we could watch the shuttle one night and that was watching their first shuttle launch They were from Greece and just seeing people get excited about that I got to go down in kennedy as a kid. I think it was eight or nine Didn't get to see a shuttle launch unfortunately But uh through enough for hissy fit to do the level nine tour reaction She went out to the pad. Uh, it was a big hissy fit to make sure we did that But I wanted to see that pad in person and I wasn't getting away with it without going and uh, we were lucky enough The vab doors were open and they were working on a shuttle and you know, you got to see the srb Uh with the shuttle in there just peeking through and I was like, okay, that's real That's what I watch at home and then seeing the pad and then this year getting to go down and See inspiration for for my first launch in person um I think kind of just reinvigorated it. Uh, I was I was lucky enough to Uh speak with jared right after the announcement of inspiration for and kind of get to know His passion and heart behind it and then be connected with him through the mission um, and then being down there as a guest with him to see it was To be my first launch in person one be a falcon nine That's what I would have picked but two to be such a historical mission Which I don't think a lot of the world really picked up on on how Actually important that mission was unfortunately Um that you know, these are four civilians that six months earlier were totally normal Um, they were like us that well not totally normal, but uh, they agreed to get strapped on a rocket but you know, they uh, they were every day people that had to go through a whole bunch of training but It was something that this isn't years of training through nasa now And you know hoping to maybe get selected for a mission to the station It is becoming accessible and then we're seeing that with suborbital to the point where it's now a joke on my channel That when we hit a hundred thousand subscribers i'm supposed to buy a suborbital flight to space So i'm not sure where that's gonna go, but i don't think the youtube income quite supports that just no It was a joke at a thousand subscribers and now it's getting real that that number's ticking up And it's like well we might push that to a million But we'll see It's just always been there and I think it's exciting to see it now that it's something that People want to talk about I feel like when shuttle ended and there was that gap You know if you were following spacex testing Early on it was like oh you're a nerd you're following this so closely Uh, you know don't talk about it, but now it's like well, why aren't you talking about space? There's always my local news is doing a space report every night now That's just a normal part of their segment and we're in emitting canada the furthest place from any launch site in the world But home to the runway where we could have landed it except we built buildings on it so Yeah, uh, I would argue. Um Could the kodiak launch complex in alaska you're not that far from it I mean you're far from it or drive you're far from it, but like it's almost equal to get to florida Really? I think so. All right 18 hours and that was colder It's minus 45 here, which is the same Celsius or Fahrenheit no matter which way you go. It's cold. I'm not going further north. Yeah, I I'm a child from minnesota, so I remember those temperatures and it is not fun Those are when you hit that temperature. It's just the cold just seeps through the walls and everything you can't stop it When i'm in the basement, so there's only one layer of laminate between me and the concrete of the house It's fantastic Just turn on the studio lights to stay warm at that point Purposely don't buy led so you get warmer lights I'm from minnesota too. Just to let you know, so it's a nice place to be from Oh, yeah, don't you know you betcha. There you go. I spent two two winters there 1994 to 95 I think it was Yeah, you were there for two years. That doesn't mean you're from minnesota I know I know but I pretend that I was just so cold that I forgot where I was originally from I was there for 30 years I much prefer the weather in california Mike, I I don't know if you're a shuttle child or an art a child of artemis. What's your generation? Uh, I think in the middle right in the gap. I'm not a lady never tells her age, so Um, the question is why I'm interested in space because it's freaking awesome. Uh, you know Big explosions. Some of the coolest people alive like astronaut scientists doing cool stuff. I mean nature people love, you know Going outside going on nature walks. Well, that's only a small fragment of what nature actually is like, you know There's all sorts of planets and stuff out there that would be really cool to take a little stroll on and check out So, um, yeah, and how I got involved. It's kind of uh Similar to a lot of people. I Was never really into space. Um, you know I'm uh, you know more of a history kind of guy But uh went on it's not very similar to what uh, elan has said in interviews You know went on one day went when are we going to mars and just uh logged on and was like, oh We can't we don't know how yet or you know, we there's not enough money. No bucks. No start. You're no, uh, no bucks. No, uh Rogers, you know, um But so then I kind of landed right in the middle where I could uh, I think it was one day I saw that first uh space x video where they were landing the actual capsule and the animation, you know And I said, oh, this is kind of interesting. You know, that's never gonna work. This'll be fun to watch And so that kind of you know, and then of course through all the landings of the boosters and all the attempts That was a lot of fun Um, and then, you know, you just get uh swept up in all of it, you know The science of all of it, you know, um, that was the the second half You know, there's more the rock and roll the rockets the explosions the cool stuff But then um, you know got involved with planetary society stuff like that and you just realize like Not only is it cool, but it's it there's a lot of beauty in there, too And it's really kind of amazing. Um Just what humans, you know, we're basically, you know Higher apes and like what what we can do what you know, what are we gonna do in another 50 years? So, um, I guess that's my uh, that's my little spiel there I do have a very important follow-up question Which is what is the name of the puppers you've got that decided to walk up and go to sleep right behind you That's her names. I call her rocksy. Her name's Roxanne She's very cute Very well behaved too. Yeah She's just wants her dinner. That's she's waiting for us to wrap up so she can have second second dinner You said dinner and that you're moved If you know to if you need to go feed or like feel free or if you want to bring Bring dinner on camera. That might be fun, too. That's a great way to close the show Um, john, I think you are the final child of apollo. Uh, what got you? Uh, passionate about space Um, can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. Um, I was born in 65 So I was like the first of generation x um That doesn't really mean much for this but, um, I really don't remember much of apollo except for the tail end And I remember watching Um, the launch of one of the modules off off the moon And when it watched, you know, and that was just a little kid And when it launched off the moon, there was the um, um I think it was a star Star-spangled banner or something like that. So my thought was as a little kid that there was a little record player in the in the landing part And so that's my earliest memory my second memory, um Was getting, um, we had these encyclopedias, you know books Encyclopedia zero a through a and every year we'd get a new yearbook And in the yearbook was, um information about the space shuttle and it was very, um um artistic, let's say it, um illustrated the, um Launcher as being A bigger space shuttle with a smaller space shuttle on top of it And I was really intrigued by that, you know, so it'd go up like that and launch and come down and they showed You know all the illustrations of that and I was really fascinated with that and so, you know, my my, um Interest grew, um Come, you know seven or 1976 the bison tunnel of the united states Um, that is when the viking landers landed on mars And it was a really big deal and I remember um watching on pbs public televisions, you know station Because other stations would not sit there for hours as these lines and lines and lines and lines Of images from mars would come in and I was just glued to the tv for that And the same thing happened and you know, that was like the first real look at the martian surface um It was amazing and it was mostly rocky Which is kind of disappointing for some reason because it was kind of boring but, um I also had the same experience with voyager one and voyager two And I think pioneer but voyager one and voyager two the images that came back Were much better, but they were still I believe coming back in those lines So the you know, they they'd sit there and they'd wait for them to come back and I remember that one time I was watching, um the television when um, I out, you know, the image of io came in And they noticed there was you know, something fuzzy at The horizon of io and later on Um in the news they found out that that was a volcano an active volcano And that was just you know astounding, you know, even to a young person as I was at that time and in You know, that was probably 77 or so. I believe um, maybe a little later um But you know then, you know I've always I've always seemed to have an interest in space. I I don't know when that really began Maybe it was when that I thought the um record was playing on on the um Lunar lander as it lifted off with the star spangled banner and stuff like that But I was really into the space shuttle and stuff too and I'll tell you guys the um um, I felt the delays Of the space shuttle just as we have the delays of sls and stuff like that now and I remember capo was at 81 When they launched the first shuttle That was like the apex, you know at that time for me um So, uh It reminds me the quote from battle star galactica. Yeah, uh, all of this has happened before it will all happen again Something along those lines Good some some good sci-fi. Uh, also, um similar question to you. I see a very clean kitten behind you Uh, what's their name? Uh, what's their story? Her name is miri. Um Once upon a time, there were two little girls Going door to door to try and find a house for the cat And I had was I had two cats at the time And I said yes with a sight unseen And I took her in and she was like a little kitten like this big And I asked the girl, you know, what's her name and she said mary And I said, okay. Oh mary just Didn't seem right to me And being a star trek fan There is a show called miri mi ri and which Bit and that's how she got her name. That is adorable and going back to mike Like this is pett's hour at this point mike. Did you feed her? Did she have her food or she's still waiting? Oh, you're muted. That's fine. No, no, no, you're dealing. You have puppy. It's okay, but it's adorable She's uh, she's she can wait. She's she's good. She's good at waiting Yeah, she'll she'll be mowing down here in a few minutes. I'm sure same as me And closing it out. Uh, Liam, I forgot. Did we So I think you moved in my multi view and I was having a hard time keeping track of everyone Did we get to your origin story your effort? You did I'm I'm all orange and down Apollo 11 and right. I think we did your origin story in the beginning. I feel bad because like we've got to get you like more Hosty in the show You sat there a lot and you've got to be really tired It's brilliant. We should do it like this time every week. This is fantastic Yeah, we got what 18 minutes for you before it's midnight. Is that right? Yeah, just like it's like a yes and that I do have to do one thing now though Because if not my dad will kill me. He got me a present a pre christmas present. All right. Yeah. Yeah That's if you want to go to my feed Ken, do you have his full screen feed working? It's sideways Uh, yeah, so your normal not sideways feed Hold it. Okay This will be great. This will be great. It's in space. You know, it's space. There's no There's no up in space Oh my god, I know I got a t-shirt. I know what this is and I love it Jared. Uh, like Jared be ready. You ready, Jared? I'm gonna have to wait on the feed to see it Oh, you can't see right now No, I can't see it through go into the youtube stream. You'll see it. Uh, it's I'll describe it for you though It's a james. It's a james webshirt. It has the james webspace telescope on the front And the text in giant Giant text on the back 344 That shirt is amazing. Oh my god. That is absolutely beautiful here at the james web and then and then you put that on the back Okay I mean, that's how it goes though like that's Yeah, all right. Yeah So I think this was for me at least this was a really fun show. I hope everyone enjoyed it It was kind of a you know a little bit of a format change I try not to change a format too much because I know everyone gets angry with me but again, the whole point of these shows was to you know, be A social conversation about space and just sit down with space nerds and geek out over space for the Scripted news program where you're just getting like, you know, what's happening this week in space That would be ryan doing ryan and jared, but ryan right now at least Yeah, I mean you're both kind of there's ryan doing space news Um You know and that's a different show. It's a different thing. This is this is a conversational show So hopefully one of those two works for you. Maybe both of them work for you A one thing you can do so for those of you who are submitting Possible show show titles. You can actually go and vote for those you go to tmro dot showbot dot tv I'll post that into the chat room really quick. You can go in and you can select which your favorite one was and um Vote for the title of this particular show based on what everyone else Based on what everyone else submitted. So that's also a new feature kind of fun The whole idea of these shows is that your community driven Like that's the point here. Also, I want to you know, the community does also help to pay for the show Thank you dot. I almost forgot about this part until you brought it up This is why I have it a preview screen over here is great I you know, these are the citizens of tomorrow who help pay for the show Month after month and you know keep the station on orbit There's a lot of fuel costs that go into keeping this really right like there's a lot of It's surprisingly expensive for to get really should have put the station at l2. We really should have we really should have We've also got our orbital subscribers Again, uh, there are different levels of subscription whatever makes sense for you You can go all the way down to one dollar per month, which we realized is like less than one coffee You can get point three coffees or something like that for our lowest level of subscription You know what every single dollar helps. Um, and then we also have our ground support I must say patrons that's going back away members Who up to contribute to the show and I did change the order of everything it is now sorted by The amount of time that you've been a member before was just kind of willy-nilly Um Whereas now it is sorted by the longer you've been a member the the higher up in the the chart you are Which does kind of suck for our patrons. I'm sorry because I can't cheat that system I have no way of knowing But yeah, thank you again to everyone who has supported the shows through the last We're going on 14 years now if you can believe it. We've been doing this for 14 years This is orbit 14. Oh my gosh Wow, how time flies lots of things have changed. Oh, um, you know and actually, um Ryan had did a really cool year and and montage. Let me so Now he's asking do we do this in the stream or do we just publish it straight to youtube? By the way, you could just ask me you can you can interrupt me at any time I didn't want to interrupt you thanking all of the fantastic people who give us money That's fair. That's fair. Uh, does it do you have that montage in casper by chance? Let me look So ryan, do you want to awkwardly talk with me for a moment while Well, or does anyone have any final comments? Yeah No, is that 2021 2021 phase? Uh, yeah, okay. Yes, I do. All right. Let's we've not tried this We have no idea if it's going to work. I have no idea if the audio is going to work Let's go ahead and try to roll it and see what happens Let me see if I can find it. Okay ddr audio channel Rusty I thought I was I thought I was ready to toss. I wasn't ready to toss. There we go. I see it like changing All you kids down there. I was once a child with a dream if we can do this Just imagine what you can do Hey, that's really great ryan We're going to publish a version of that. Uh, that doesn't have the audio jumping. Sorry. We didn't test that beforehand So we didn't know that it wasn't that I could I know that sound that's casper cg jumping and not able to properly decode the video. So that's on us. Sorry But we'll we'll post a version of that that it is in its original form on our youtube channel without me laughing I You know i'm watching that and there was a lot of memories that I had in there Right, like I remember lots of late nights at the office a lot of amazing moments A lot of very stressful moments It was it was a pretty you know 2021 had a lot of interesting things with the pandemic and just in general and the world as a whole But space was pretty amazing the entire year. We did some awesome stuff in aerospace in 2021 In 2022 is looking to be even better than 2021 if you can imagine that So I'm really really excited for what our tomorrow will bring. Haha. See what I did there And uh keep it on brand keeping it on brand, you know, we've got six minutes until the uh five Five minutes until thanks ryan. Thanks ryan. That's great Until the official start of 2022 in coordinated universal time and this is our last 2021 show So I'm going to end it right before new years in which everyone a great uh happy 2022 I will say that emory joined us at the very last moment He's down here in the lower right hand corner and um, we are going to stay live with our members And so if you would like to continue the live conversation with us, um Become a member even the the lowest membership tier for even one dollar per month I will allow you to uh to watch the membership and it gives you the pre show and the post show So we'll continue that we'll get into the new year with our members. Uh for everyone else Thank you so much for watching. This has been a ton of fun I would love comments as to how you thought the show format worked Is this something you'd like to see in the future? Do you want me to prune it down? Like What did you what were the pros and cons of doing it this particular way? And on that note, uh, we'll see everyone in 2022 All right members