 How's that drink Gorman that's delicious Hey, welcome back to our stupid directors you need some Corbin. I'm Rick and you follow some Instagram It's so juicy Little thing down right there. Yeah, they're not the missing Wanks cuz they're there. Hey, I'm in a funny We are doing a movie of you our Fifth is it fifth fifth my Lolly alone film. Yep palindrome And we that was the word I was looking for was yeah, I was But the We I remember watching the trailer for this one Oh vividly loving the love of the trailer And I had heard good reviews about it coming out of the people that saw it I believe I heard in India. It wasn't released anywhere except in Karala So it had a minimal release. Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember if it was released here I don't I don't remember. No, I know it made it to the Toronto Film Festival Yeah, but I would imagine if it was only released in South India didn't have broad international anyways, but it's the called Based on our jelly cotton based off of a short story Some shirts are I've never read the short story correct, but director is say his name Li-ho Jose Pelle said he who we've heard a lot about yes, and had a strong Yeah, recommendation. I'm check for not this film, but it was The diaries one correct. I said he's his favorite director and I've often heard about this director as well. Yes Let's see and then actor wise. There's just a bunch of people in it. There wasn't really a main actor Anthony Antoni. Yeah, Antoni Vargas, but and then it was really an ensemble. Yeah, Anthony and intentionally and It's just Shimbun Vinod. I guess they were the most prominent, but there was really not even a prominent actor in this But anyways 100% for a review came out 2019 if you haven't watched it go watch it come back. It's only 90 minutes. It's not Amazon, right? Yeah, yeah, it's not gonna take you very long It's probably the shortest Indian film we've ever watched probably and it's not just short in the runtime It's short in the way it feels to you. Yeah, it's a quick Anyway Initial thoughts my initial thoughts. You got a paragraph. I got a paragraph With an absurdist's wit of visionary's eye and a conic last courage and a humanitarian's heart Liho Jose Pelliceri has created an overtly subversive masterpiece Instantly categorizing him as the Jordan Peele of Indian film and a force to be reckoned with in the world of International cinematic artistry. Dang. That's quite a It's quite a paragraph. I was I was Tremendously impressed with this man. Yeah, the same way I was when I saw Jordan Peele Get out his his initial directorial debut and I was instantly Aware. Oh my goodness, man. We've got somebody in cinema who's gonna say stuff. Yeah this is definitely a I Guess it would call it an experimental film a film with Definitely a film with a message. Oh big message Subversive that that's I think that's the main character in this film is the message That's why there's no standout character. There isn't supposed to be it's the message Yes film and that that was actually as I was watching it You could tell right off the bat that okay, this is a different film Mm-hmm. It's not gonna be a normal sight and you can tell that he's gonna have a message Yes, but you're waiting to figure out what that message is Mm-hmm, and so at first when I was watching it. I was like what one will talk about everything Beautiful. Yeah gorgeous. Yes unique and all that but I was like I'm not relating to anybody here. Why why I did that too at the outset, right? Why am I not relating to anybody? This doesn't make any sense You're wanting to connect like you would with a character and what okay, where's my yeah empathetic connection to the people? Yeah, it's not the point. There's none none you almost yeah, I outside of basically the buffalo or whatever Yeah, yeah, you don't really feel for anybody and this film and that's why it's crazy that it's actually really good film It's not like it's not gonna be anybody's favorite film That's that's I don't think this one's trying to be anybody's favorite film But I think everybody can appreciate how well made this film and the message obviously that that goes along with it Because like it's not gonna be like the lunchbox where you like go. Oh, no you feel like oh, I totally related with those characters No, no, I can watch that over and over again. This is one that you're gonna sit and you're gonna ponder. Yes, and you'd be like Wow, there was a lot. He was trying to say and it was actually very very clever Very very clever and he does hold he he does with this film. He holds up Both a mirror and a window He I'll I will repeatedly Comparing him over and over in the highest form of flattery to Jordan peel and the same day when when you watch get out and you watch us You can appreciate it for its cinematic value no matter where you live in the world, but when you understand What's going on in American culture and you understand the experience of black Americans and you understand the tensions between Republicans and Democrats. Yeah, you you recognize the brilliance of what he's communicated and for the limited Understanding that we've begun to get over the past year and a half through stupid babies through the films We've watched of the people we've interviewed and through Relationships like the conversations I have with Andrani and some other stupid babies who talked to me about In-depth realities about culture and religious belief and political affiliation That is what I sense from this man is that same Jordan peel brilliance of I am and and remember when we walked out of us Yeah, I Looked at all of us and said The people who need to see that film won't yeah, and even if they did they probably won't get it Mm-hmm. I feel the same way about this. Yeah, right and the director say his name again Leho, I believe the way it's spelled sir is Leho was they fell asleep and I believe he's only done like eight or nine Films, so he's actually known as relatively new. Yeah to the end director but obviously a very Into and obvious and from what we've heard is best and you can tell us even before we go further What his next one should be should it is it Anga Mali diaries, right? Abhishek Banerjee Recommended to us and a ton of other people have recommended to us. Yeah, but I want to talk about one of the most Striking things of it is the the cinematography. Yep, and then we could talk about the sound. Yep But the cinematography the way one this man knows how to do a long tracking shot mm-hmm like Nobody's business Like and also I don't think you realize how complicated it is to shoot in the dark and make it look that beautiful Yeah Yeah, guys It is extraordinarily difficult to to film in the dark and Make it make it first of all look believable So that you think you're seeing night because to make it look like a night on film You have to go to great lengths. You can't just put a camera out at night But then to make it look artistically beautiful mm-hmm and maintain your production design the shots went and even before we get to the end the shots were You just see The hills and the trees and everybody's lanterns. Yes They did that multiple times multiple times and it was so freaking gorgeous the way obviously This is setting Karala and it's beautiful, right? And obviously Karala as we know is a just a beautiful country But he made this so much more pretty and beautiful that they send a talk of it Say his name for me. The cinematographer is now a job good. Ish Gangadani. Mm-hmm, right or no Gangadaran, so forgive me if I'm mispronouncing your names, right? I want to get that right sometimes so frigging gorgeous in this And then also the sound design of this entire film one. It was unique Yep, I get started off unique because it started off with them the opening and closing of eyes, right? Mm-hmm close open close and then it went into like bugs Right with the breathing in the clock the breathing in the clock, which I believe the clock was actually going in reverse It may have been and he brings it back later But then it also goes from that to the cleaving of the you know the meat cleaver Yeah, there was like right at the off the bat. I was like this director is just showing off Yeah, this is one of those this is one of those like our last movie review where I was jumping up and down about sound if you can If you don't have Surround sound do yourself a favor. I would love to watch us in theaters Oh, man much better that would have been the best but but at the very least do yourself a favor and put on headphones Or like I was able to have the AirPods because you can capture the nuances of the sound and The I mean there were times where it was clearly dubbed sound and it was so Spectacularly done. It was just in my mind pure Foley work just gorgeous Wonderful Foley work where even even sound itself became a character in the film. Oh, yeah, right? Yeah, it's like But at the end obviously this the entire last few minutes is just insane insanity. Were you laughing? Yeah, I was laughing so hard and wonderful and we'll get into the deeper meanings of it. Yeah We'll conclude with that But that's the last one went there all piling on top of each other. I mean, it just Yeah, it's just and but the sound he chose is basically just slabs of meat slabs of meat Each other like Yeah And it was very reminiscent of that hard to watching in Game of Thrones when if you haven't seen just skip ahead like this You have a 30 seconds ahead when he's under all the people in the battle. Oh, yeah Yeah, that's exactly what it reminded me of but he's trying to get to the top Yeah, I had the exact same feeling yes during that. Well, you would yeah Yeah, it's an awful awful feeling yeah, yeah to the claustrophobic Yeah, to even think about being in a setting like that, but yeah, so everything is in this entire thing a The only thing that wasn't spectacular and I don't think it was supposed to be it was like the acting It was just it was fine. It was like but this is not an actor driven film This is the director correct the in the sound design in the cinematography There are the stars and this film all you need is people to be believable They're not even really given anything that they need to go with you don't need to empathize with a particular character Yeah, this is not a lot of storylines There's one that they're the main reason is this guy's trying to buy and get a bowl meat for the right of the wedding But then that's really all that is that's just because you have to have a subject Yeah, and then and then there's one thing at the end where the two guys are fighting And then that's it's over pretty quickly, but it's a great sequence Great fine sequence. Yeah, like in the entire like the way he did the cinematography and the tracking and like this director knows how to shoot Well, and the character element of it is I don't even remember a single character's name and you don't need to you're not supposed to Because it's a metaphor. It's it's not supposed to really give you A sense of its permanence in time space continuum because what it's giving to you in fact It's actually I don't think it's in the reality. It's not intended to be that way It's it's it's definitively allegorical and metaphorical and that is it and it's wanting to show you something about Multiple facets of the human experience and what is wrong with it. Mm-hmm Like yeah, what is wrong? I mean I I kept writing these things down of Things as simple as just herd mentality. Yeah But that's deep when you talk about some things particularly with issues Regionally within India. Yeah, and how many people jump on Herd mentality or the the proverbial bandwagon. Yeah, and you know, which one here is the animal Mm-hmm. That's another message it gets across to you Which one is truly the wild beast on the rampage here sounds of nature are constantly being overrun by the sounds of men He will consistently give you the tranquility and the natural order And violate it. Mm-hmm with something of the grunting or the chopping or the machinations Of men who are so blinded That's one of the absurdist hysterical things is all of this Is to stop a bull. Yeah Yeah, that's one of the I think that really really is basically the message is even something as wild as a bull is not as wild and beast like as Primal men and how primal they are correct. And so basically in the beginning I I'm pretty sure uh after I said it after I looked it up the clock That kept coming was actually moving back was ticking backwards. It's ticking backwards and showing that men were going back in time And we're regressing we're regressing. Yes as men and it was actually I think on purpose The that it was mostly all men that were all 100% were doing the the basic Beast like cavemen like oh, yeah, uh, I mean obviously kept getting worse and worse and worse and worse And basically it's just we're all just Hunters, but they they told themselves lies like at the end This is this one of the gorgeous things about the and there's so many gorgeous things about the end but the gorgeous things was They kept telling themselves that they're trying to catch a bull to You know protect each other right to save their crops to do to whatever But in the end when the one person finally caught it Then that didn't matter It was never about that it was never the him right and then they were mad at that guy who caught it Right, and they wanted they wanted to be that guy and so then they just kept piling on because now they wanted to be The person on top ego So literally it was who's going to end up on top. It was greed and it was um a selfishness Yes, and all I love You miss it if you're if you're so Panged with love of animal that you don't want to witness the the abuse of an animal You have it's hard to watch but you have to get past it in order to see the message because The moment where that's happening and he zooms in on the bull's face There's that immediacy of the tragicness which there is a tragicness to it But it's also almost like the bull's looking at you going really This was all over a bull. I don't think so guys. Are you getting them? This isn't about me everybody These this is not about me. Uh, it's about It's got messages that are powerful about toxic masculinity. Yeah It's got messages about the herd mentality as we already mentioned in terms of where you affiliate yourself without thinking politically religiously socially Dietarily in every single way forcing you to reconsider the things that you do based on Am I just conforming? Is it just societal normalcy? Yeah, uh, and and the I One of my favorite moments Burn the jeep Because that is exactly what happens you watch things devolve We're watching it here in america Where everything devolves and the very thing that was central Is not central by any stretch of the imagination. You've gone from A bull is loose and we should catch it because it's dangerous to Burn the jeep That's just brilliant. Yeah Just brilliant and it was actually another part that I thought was so interesting and though The more you think about it after you get to the end, it was actually Quite smart that one point where the man he came back in to get his rope But then he was sexually assaulting This woman. Yes. Yes. Yeah, it was like, oh what is going on. Yes hard to watch But then he says i'm going to catch the bull I caught him and then she changes her tune And she's like he'll give me a piece and she looked all lovey-dovey and it's like wait Are they in a relationship? Did she right want that to happen? And so it was basically going to that caveman Thing yes, even them she was looking out for number one. Oh, he's he's now the alpha male Right, I need to be with him to Basically to get what I need to get what I need exactly and so like he even tied in the women In in basically the primal Yes, and and did for me the summation at the end which there's so much He's doing symbolically like you already mentioned the who's going to be on top You know the male ego the other thing that I saw which was juxtaposed to that that sequence Because we consistently went back to the old man diet. Yeah, right and his breathing and time And what I got I don't know if this is what he intended It's one of the beautiful things about cinema is that you can get a message for you in the moment Yeah, I believe providential and serendipitous, but maybe not intended I wonder about his intentionality with the message of These three things I saw at the end first was while that is piling up The man grabs that rope and he pulls himself up and he sees outside his window the bull In its natural habitat and he has this encountered with it, which is very much the adage and the truth of So many men Humans but men in particular go to their death bed and it's only then Where they get the right perspective about existence And they look at things the way they were intended to be from the beginning and the way they're supposed to be And they look back upon a life for all of this ego and all of this conquest and all of this destruction And at the end of life like at the end of the day They look back on it and recognize What was I do excuse me the absurdity of what I was contributing to that was completely outside of what the created order was supposed to be And they literally not only create this ego pile But it's a it's a literal tower Tower of babel Because they don't stop yelling like cavemen even when they're making the Pile right and it's just this job and they're all still coming Because everybody wants to get on the pile and then during the credits Did you watch that animation during the end credits because at the end credits There's this animation that takes you right back to caveman days and what he's pointing out to is We are no better than we were then with these. Where is the evolution of mind? Where's the evolution of society? Where's the evolution of our common Shared humanity and recognizing the order of things and what we prioritize And it was just freaking brilliantly hysterical that in sequence was and obviously he took you out it It showed you that basically this is not Our reality that this is in obviously people don't know the pile on top of each other and yeah The sequence was so beautiful And gorgeous and then it was just so when he was trying to get out And I think it was that part was in the trailer a little bit of it When he was trying to get up people just clawing at him. Yes Oh great sequence. Yes, probably the only thing that I really really disliked and I'm not even sure if I disliked I kind of go back and forth sometimes was the end When he spoon fed you that this was basically cavemen Uh, oh, you didn't like that. I don't like being spoon fed I didn't feel there was a spoon feeding here. I get it because some people do need to be kind of spoon fed. Yeah But I don't like that. I I prefer people to come to that conclusion on their own Yeah, it didn't bother me. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you But I think that may I think would have been a stronger end the way like with the pile and him trying to get out I think that would have been a much more powerful And then then cutting to it was a beautiful sequence the way they did it and it was nothing like that It's just I don't like when they basically nail it down like I didn't the reason that I didn't feel it was a spoon feed Uh, is because I felt like it was more of a slap on the face I felt it was him at the end going, okay So for all of you who who don't have the intelligence quotions or the emotional quotients to understand what I just said Here it is. Yeah, that's why the spoon feed is. Yeah. No, I didn't feel it was a spoon feed to tell you versus it was Uh If I can get one person at this moment to have their aha I just prefer To have people find that on their own as opposed to oh, I would too. That's like one of the only gripes that I have Yeah, I love terms of artistic wise. I like it too. Yeah One other thing because I'm sure some of you will comment about this We know and you said it at the very beginning We know that the title of this is derived from and the buffalo running Is derived from an actual celebration thing. I think that I answered it in 2017. They stopped it, but it's in Tamil Nadu It's not in Kerala. Okay. Yeah Uh, and he took this as the emblem through which he was going to convey this because that Celebration like other celebrations that are happening in different cultures around the world everything from the running of the bulls to fighting They they have Irrespective of what you may believe culturally about the historicity of those things and their value inherent in the culture At the core what they do bring to the forefront of the mind of the person watching it who's unfamiliar with it isn't cultural It's ego. Hmm. It's Masculinity at its most toxic level and not stewardship of creation Domination of creation. Yeah, and I love that he took this and made this the template Through which he was going to tell you Here's what's wrong. I believe it was cancelled. I'm hoping it wasn't ever brought back Yeah, that whole festival. I I hate anything to do with that style like the running with the bulls I don't I don't I think it's dumb. I was I don't understand why men are so obsessed with Bulls and you do understand. You just don't agree. Yeah, I do. I'm with you We understand it. We just don't agree with it. I don't get it. Yeah, it's like it's so dumb Yeah, but yeah, I do like that. He took the name of it. It was kind of another Thing to tie into it because because it's a good name for it because that's essentially What it was. Yeah, um, but yeah, it was Really really really good. I'm hoping I'm hoping if you haven't seen yet, you're still not around but What of Lijo Yeah, either Lijo or Lijo. I don't know if that's the proper pronunciation Watch of his films because I know he has a Big reputation of doing a lot of really good work. What of his films should we watch? Yeah next It's very excited about the die the diary one the whatever. I would love to talk to him He seems like a really intelligent director. Um, so let us know down below