 Welcome church family. As you know that we've been doing a series of interviews with pastor David and today we have a special guest and we have have pastor David and Marie joining us today and and What we're doing as you guys know is we started a series on marriage on the family that are that's we've been streaming we started streaming on Saturday nights and We thought about having them come in and answer some questions and do some interviewing What a great time. This is because as we know All of us are now at home with our wives and with our husbands matter of fact Pastor Maria was at home the other day and I saw this woman sit next to him. I was like, who are you? It was my wife So as we're now in a time where we have to be together because of everything what's going on I thought this would be a great time to hear from our pastor and hear from Marie about certain topics and questions that I've fielded from our church family about marriage and so Marie pastor David welcome. It's good to be here. Thank you. John. How are you guys doing? She says we're doing good We are doing good. See we are It's so good to have you guys here and it's always a blessing, you know, and the church family knows a little bit about this I have a a little bit of a history with pastor David and Marie Actually, Marie worked with my dad at Sears for many years And then later on there was a bible study that was held at my Parents house and I don't know if you guys know this but when I we did live at the house What my wife and I did we put little candles around where pastor David and Marie would sit And then we would charge, you know people to come see where they sat Anyways, there's a you guys have a special place in my heart and you know thinking back to As much as I can think back at six years old Have you guys have been part of my life and seen what the Lord has done here at the church? From just that time to now and so that's that's really special to me So what we're having today is an interview questions and answers from our viewers In regards to the topics of marriage And uh, and so my first question to you both is how long have you been married? I think we've been shacking up for That's tear Who we're going on our 44th year wow Wow, that's a long time She thinks it is You know married being married for so long What what has been the key to your marriage for 44 years? That's Quite a number of years. Well, I have to say first of all it's flown by actually it really has 44 years, but the key to our marriage I we enjoy each other. I I think that Dave and I just enjoy being together, you know and um I trust him. I trust my husband and all things and um And uh, just and I love being in the ministry with him Well married 44 years, but how long in the ministry together? Oh, I don't I can't Maria Maria met me when I was teaching Bible study as you mentioned earlier. So um when she met me I was already serving and teaching and so that would have been in 1974 and so When she became my girlfriend She actually just settled into helping me in ministry Even even when we were dating and and what I mean by that is That she'd hostess things for example if we were having a Bible study Marie Would be the one who made sure that everybody got served their soda or whatever cookie. So she really began Right from really the beginning of our relationship to kind of like work alongside of me And so when we were dating and became more serious At a certain point I said to her I'm called by god to pastor. That's what I'm going to do And and you need to know whether or not You have a sense of being able to serve alongside of me as a pastor's wife Now we didn't really know what that meant at that time I just knew I was called and that I needed a woman who would support that call and Marie um She she said basically it was one of those Ruth to her mother-in-law kinds of comments Where you go, I will go and and your god will be my god and and that's how it's always worked And so we've never had any conflict whatsoever when it came to ministry never She knew exactly what she was getting into when she and I Began to date and moved into a more serious Point in our relationship. So she's always been a Help in that fashion to me from the very beginning John And then Marie is that something that was already settling in your heart before you met pastor and Did you already know that there was the sense of calling of being a it's I mean, we know it's a unique thing for a Wife to be for a pastor's wife. It's almost as there had been called as well Was there a sense of calling in your life in that in that sense that I'm going to be a pastor's wife Not really John. I I just when I got saved I got saved under Dave's leadership and um And I just I just wanted to follow the Lord And that was my my desire. I want you know We just clicked. I mean I we really did we just clicked he'd tease me and you know, and I'd laugh You know, I always laughed at everything you said, you know, and he made me laugh I mean, I enjoyed being with him and to serve God what What a great honor, you know, and It's just been a blessing all the way around I would never trade anything for this For this we have a lovely church family You know, and I just and the people I love being with the people and I and I Really support my husband You know, he's a true teacher Of the word he loves God's word and I I've been very blessed Beyond measure amen to that well, you know 44 years and all these years together, you know going back to the early days and Thinking about all those things that you guys your first dates your everything Who said I loved you first? That's a trick question really But I'm going to let him answer that he can tell you The truth We were um We'd been together for several months already and um One day I asked her at my parents house We were at my parents house and I looked at her and I said to her Marie I said Do you love me? And she looked at me and she took a moment to think about it, you know It was a serious question. We hadn't spoken on those terms before And she looks at me and she goes Um, yes, I do And she said do you love me? You tell him I don't know I was just wondering if you loved me That's the truth That's the so she said it first. She said I love you and I said But she did she said do you love me? I said, I don't know and then I guess worse. I mean later on We were we were dating for a while after that And I said Marie if I were to ask you to marry me, what would you say? She said I would say yes. I said good now. I know in case I ever ask you And I didn't ask her that day. I wasn't asking her. I was just curious He was terrible and I got flustered. Well, I was flustered. I didn't you know You know, he would just come up with stuff and say stuff and it just flustered me, you know, I'm like, what? So for the record, it would be Marie who said it first. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, what? Well, you know, let's face it. I'm irresistible. What can you say? That was a trick question too. Very trick question Marie, when did you realize that Pastor was the one that God has placed in your life to be your husband I think through the time of our dating went just dating and going to bible study sitting in in bible study and and I enjoyed his company, you know, I we enjoyed each other that I That was something that came pretty instantaneously really we clicked, you know, he made me laugh You know, he made me laugh And um, I liked that he was funny Yeah, he's real funny. He's a tease as you can see I play with her a lot, you know, and so, um, you know I would say that and looking back to These years that God has just been fruitful in your marriage everything that you know, some of the things that we've even shared about the good times, uh, the times that were difficult the growth, uh, just all these things that had been part of your marriage for so many years and and uh And a lot of people look to you both your guys's marriage as a model of marriage from how pastor teaches on sundays and wednesdays About his faithfulness to you and how much he loves you and Marie you sharing about how much pastor has meant to you. I mean those Those are things that couples need today to really glean from and to and to look and say we have a role model before us and even for those who are Maybe still waiting to be married And the impact of what you have your of your marriage has had on so many people's lives in our church and You know Marie one of the next questions I going into now is is you know with the 44 years of being married and uh and being part of the church It probably almost seems as you guys are married to one another that there was a Bond and and a almost and I don't want to say another marriage but a a love for the church That has come within your marriage And and so being married to a senior pastor Marie Were a lot of time The church is involved How was it and how is it being married to a senior pastor? For me, it's been wonderful I knew his I knew he was called to the ministry immediately I knew that and I It's been a wonderful How would you put it right? You know god god is blessed. It's been a blessing to me to see how my husband used In a mighty way He loves the lord He loves me his children He loves his church the people he wants to teach them the Teach them the best way the best He wants them to be well fed And uh, he's a teacher And I am so thankful So thankful that That we came in contact and and I'm I'm sitting here next to him And I I I couldn't imagine my life any different We it's just been like I said it's a it's It's a dream come true a nightmare It's a dream come true. It really is. I love the people in the church It's you know, just to see your husband being used by the lord and it's faithful faithful to me faithful to his children faithful to his church It's wonderful. It's absolutely wonderful. That's so great and you know pastor on the other side of that Having your wife who's so supportive of you even in the early years of ministry How has that really defined you as a pastor in terms of You know the releasing of you to do ministry Uh, you know, one of the things that you share with us men is if your wives those who are called the ministry If your wife does not release you You may not be In the right place. Oh, you're not in the right place for sure Because your wife will be an anchor, you know, one of the things that That I would advise every man who considers ministry considers his call as a ministry call He needs to make sure his wife Is very supportive of that and knows that I I I'll never forget a A man who came to my office many years ago now john and He was selling radio time And he had made an appointment to come and see me. This was 35 years or more ago now And I sat with him in my office and as we were speaking He was trying to get me to go on some radio station and eventually in our conversation I I uh found that he had at one time been a pastor. He told me he said I was a pastor And I I said You were a pastor. I said And now you Now you were for a radio company. I said, how did that happen? How did it happen that you left the ministry To become a salesman. There's nothing wrong with a man being a salesman Of course, you know and all of that he's providing for his family But I was wondering how did that happen? So I asked him how is it you left pastoral ministry To sell radio time He said my wife said to me. It's either me or the ministry He said and so I sell radio time So no men need to know that the wife Um is called also with her not to be the path with him not to be the pastor But to be a support and so when marie and I um and You'll remember this. I'm sure we were dating and becoming serious and And I said to her this I said something you need to know marie all you need to know this And it was a serious conversation not Malo dramatic but serious I said before there was a marie. There's jesus and when there's a marie There's still jesus. I said jesus comes before you you need to always know that in our relationship And guess what she could say the same thing to me You know that there is a jesus and before there was a david in my life There was a jesus if you have that If you love the lord with all of your heart And you together can do that Then you'll love each other it works that way. That's why god says love me with all of your heart And love your neighbor well it starts with the lord and so marie loves the lord She loves them deeply and and I do too And so that's a winning combination. Yes, it really is That is uh, I mean I just think about even now You know you guys are sharing this again uh Not being able if you don't have the love of christ as you do then The potential possibility of even being here 44 years In love with one another as you are Would be a very very difficult the most impossible thing Without christ, that's true. Well, you know if you guys were then being able to define your your marriage If you were to be able to put it in words marie let me ask you first. How would you describe Your marriage if you were to use just words to describe it words to describe heavenly A wonderful ride It's You know a wonderful ride. It's been Wonderful It's been challenging but wonderful it's Ministry has Molded me in ways that I I didn't know, you know, it's made me Compassionate And at the same time Being able to put up with things yet put up with things and and and not get It's the word not I can't remember. It's a good word. It's a good. Yeah. Thank you. I'm sorry, but but I just uh Challenging but wonderful wonderful You know you come into with you come in You come and and you see people and everybody has different personalities everybody does You know and you learn to adjust to them, which is a good thing You know because I need that it's I I need to be adjusted to people I need to care for them and love them just as they are and that that has I really feel like my the lord has grown me up in that loving people Not that I didn't love him before but I I just I want to see them through the eyes of his It's awesome And then how would you say pastor if you're to use words to describe your marriage? You know what there is I'm a first human first timothy three says that a pastor is to be a lover of one woman one wife I would say there's there's no other that that there there is nobody on the planet that would ever replace her ever And that I found in the in her all that god wanted for me And and I mean that I I I see that All the time I say that to Anybody who would listen if they asked that question I found what I what what made me whole, you know, and The lord said the two shall become one flesh Marie fills up all the gaps of my life in in the way that makes me a better man It makes me complete and so you know, we're we're just um We're very you know, we play and stuff but in all deep seriousness, you know, there's nobody else for me There could never be anybody else for me and for me too. And so we're just complete So she's everything I need and he has to do me everything of course And we love we we love to talk and sit together And that leads exactly into my next question How often do you sit down together and and simply just visit with one another? Always we're so old we can't walk All the time just kind of sit down and look at each other You want to get up? No, I can't get up. Do you want to get up? That that the very first date Marie and I went on The very first date I picked her up a friend of mine and I Nikki and I and his girlfriend picked Marie up and and we spent the day together and we came home Uh I came home at 11. We brought her home at 11 at night We picked her up around 11 in the in the morning and 12 hours later We I'm dropping her off and I went into her apartment. She had a couple roommates and so I came in and These were girls who were coming to bible studies. I was teaching at that time And I stayed there until one and then went home. So it was like 13 hours of continuous talking Marie and I have never had a time When from the very first date that we didn't just bend each other's ears We have talked and we always we've been doing that Since I took her out for the very first time and we've never stopped So John for me, you know this coronavirus quarantine for Marie and me. I have to be honest with you It's no different than what we are normally used to I come home from the office and She's there and and There's no difference to us We haven't had to get to know one another because some people right now They're so busy with their jobs and their outside life. They don't know that person. They're living with they really don't There's a stranger in the house that they never realized was there and so are their children their children are strangers to them Because they never talked to them never share with them never spend time with them Because they're so busy with other things We don't have that problem. We never have Marie and I have always visited Every day, you know To this day, you know for many years We will have a cup of coffee In the morning and just enjoy each other watch the news We don't have to be talking incessantly which we don't Sometimes she just doing what she does and i'm doing what I do And we're so connected that um We're very content. You know, I told my son david My son david erin was over He was in the house and I was talking to him and and and marie and I are not openly affectionate In in the way that sometimes people are you know, there's people who kiss on the beach and stuff You know that disgusts me, you know That really makes me sick You know, but we're not that way. We're not and I was telling him. I said, you know, uh, Dave I said, you know your mama and I We're we're pretty much reserved when it comes to affection. He says no, you're not dad And I said, what do you mean? He says no, you're not you're not reserved in that way at all. I said Why do you say that he says look at your feet? And we're sitting on the couch marie and I are sitting on the couch and i'm holding her foot with my foot He said dad every time you sit down next to mom You've got your foot on hers every time and I go to bed at night I put my hand over and I touch her hand and I hold it every night. That's us, you know, so we're connected, you know, we are Very deeply connected very attached to each other Not in the that weird kind of possessive way that sometimes people have But just in that, you know, if she comes in the room, I'm happy You know, I'm more complete because she's there with me You know, that's just us and we've been that way Gosh, I don't I think all our life, you know, all our lives we just From the beginning like a magnet, you know, bang, we'd like that. Ooh, we're like that, you know It's true. You know, I'm that way I You know when I fall in love It's forever and I'm in love, you know And that's what it is, you know, and it's forever And that's a good thing. I'd say that's what god designed, right? He said the two shall become one flesh And we are we really are my kids see that. Yes, they do They know that there's nobody but but mama for me and the church sees it I I believe that it's been a wonderful testimony to our fellowship They they know that their pastor qualifies He's a one woman man and they know that there's this Yeah, and I think that brings a security into the church that, uh, you know, like in a family It's good when a a a kid knows that daddy loves mama It's it's just good My dad loved my mother. Yes, my dad loved my mother adored her and I grew up with that I saw that I saw what a man loving a woman I saw what that meant. He never lectured me. He never said this is how son, you should love your wife He just loved his and it was the little things he did that taught me to do the same And it's those little things that have helped me to become a better man, you know To learn to respect this woman to to to cherish her to to be the the warrior for her to be her hero You know to be her her covering to be her spiritual leader To to be everything she needs. That's what I was designed to be And uh, and I think I've succeeded in that with this woman I really do and she has succeeded in what god designed her to be in my life and you know, so It's just it's biblical. It's just what god said and we just take his word and we apply it You know, she's never she's never known me outside of being a man who wants to do what is right No, that doesn't mean I've always done right I haven't I've had my seasons where where I wasn't the man I was supposed to be in the early days of our relationship. I was and then I then I'd be You know, not what I'm supposed to be and I was still growing up as a Christian and as a man But at a certain point in in our marriage, I realized She deserves more than I am and one of the things that I believe and I teach, you know, is that You know that that that my wife's love my wife's love has made me want to Be worthy of it You know, I want I I don't want to be the man that That people look at in a pulpit, but he's not really that way at home I think hypocrisy smells in the nostrils of god And it's not something that I want to ever be. I don't want to be the hypocrite And so I made up my mind Many years ago That this woman will never ever have any reason To want another man in her life Ever you know, I'm going to be that man. I'm going to be that hero. I'm going to be that protector I'm going to be that provider. I'm going to be that priest. I'm going to be that man And I am I am that man By god's grace And it doesn't mean I've arrived forever It simply means that today I am and I plan on being it tomorrow And she's the same way with me. She's she's I'm her I'm her husband. I'm her man. There's no there's we've never mistrusted each other. There's never been I know she loves me. She you know, this is a woman who Who is faithful and true. She's the virtuous woman Proverbs 31. She really is She's she's made me what I am in many ways. She really has her goodness has made me desire to be better And I think any wife who wants to have a good man I would pray that her husband sees her that way the way I see mine Because she deserves better than I am therefore in god's grace. I'll be a better man And I and I've been working in the lord asking him to strengthen me to that end For many years For many years Well, I just really believed in dave. I really believed He could do whatever I I really believed him and him And his walk with the lord and and and and and And I think women today need to believe in their husbands. They need to encourage their husbands not tear them down And tell them what they're not doing, but what they are doing and and give them encouragement You know a lot of these guys are out there and there are women giving them encouragement and the wife isn't And we need to give our husbands encouragement. They need to know that we love them unconditionally and that that They they come home to us and want to come home to us There's a sense of security when you have a good marriage Your home is a secure place You know, it's the one safe place That you that you have that you know you're safe in you know at night when you're together you're safe together There's just a An emotional security to that That that I really really appreciate and and marie used the word right now that To me is a very important word. She says she believed You know there she does, you know, she believes in me, you know, and I believe in her You know somebody right now saying well, you're supposed to only believe in god. Well, that's because you're not thinking Right, you know, you believe I believe in my wife I believe in the goodness of god in her and I and I and I I believe that that she can be whatever god wants her to be And I believe in the strength of the power of the spirit to transform lives And marie, you know, she has shown me that from the beginning. I mentioned earlier That in the early days of our marriage, I was I was still a young man and I was still a young believer I mean sometimes people don't realize That they don't know me well enough to know that I was a young believer when marie and I got together I mean I got saved at the age of 20, but I went in the military for two years I didn't have discipling I joined a group called the navigators and that helped me But I didn't have a church that I was attending or serving in I didn't have anything like that So when I got out of the service, I was still a really a novice christian Even though I had opportunities to grow under the navigator ministry and so I Met marie eventually and You know, we we dated we got married Um But I still was still trying to I was still not mature I was still trying to grow up when you when you do drugs and john You know what I mean by this when you take drug do drugs you don't grow up you have kind of a Stifling of ordinary things that would have matured you when you're avoiding that by being drunk or loaded all the time And you're not growing up as a man and holding down a job and providing for others and being trustworthy and growing Which I didn't I was still emotionally very young I was still the teenager in many ways when marie and I got married because I had stifled years of of my life by By doing drugs and partying and things like that and now I'm trying to grow up hold the job Go to school and do all those things and so marie's pregnant with karin and we're living in a little apartment in rollin heights and And I I'm not making hardly any money at all and she's having to Provide most of the income through her job and and yet she's pregnant with karin and She's going to have to quit and I don't have any future as I'm looking at it at that time And I got depressed and and for me the only way that That I could deal with my emotions for a long time because you you know, you understand this john Is um, I I drank you know, I I would just drink, you know, just for a moment. I just wouldn't be Thinking about that I And that's what I do and so I didn't do it all the time and I had gotten saved out of You know a drug and alcohol background and I wasn't doing it all the time marie never really saw me that way And here I am Sitting in a little cheap front room sitting on a $10 sofa with a $90 tv set and a you know, uh $60 dinette set and I had I didn't have two nickels to rub together and I didn't have a job and You know, I'm work trying to go to school and trying to find something for my life And now I've got a pregnant wife. What am I going to do? And I couldn't take it anymore I just I didn't know how to cast my cares on the Lord yet And I was I was young and immature and I went to the store bought some beer, you know And I began to drink she'd never seen this didn't say a word to me didn't say a word to me I'm sitting in the front room drinking beer Then I go and buy some more and I drank some more and then I started feeling You know the effects of the alcohol and I went upstairs and I climbed in the bed We didn't even have a bed. We had a pull-out sofa that we opened up That my dad had given to me and we slept on that it was a sofa bed and And I opened it up and I laid down on it and I started to cry and and I cried so hard and so hard Then I put the pillow over my face So she wouldn't hear me And I heard her footsteps as they were coming up the stairway The door was closed And it opened up and there's this little pregnant wife standing there at the door And she sees me weeping And she sat down next to me on the on the bed on our sofa bed And she picked me up and scooped me into her arms And said what's wrong? I said i'm a failure You married the wrong man I'm so sorry I failed you She whispered in my ear if she rocked me like a child john She said You're not a failure God it's gonna use you I believe in you Change my life Change my life I believe in you And I turned around and look where we are right now I'm so grateful God, I believe So she believes in me I sure do And as you're sharing that As a husband myself to hear something like that from our wives So big and so much monumental that I don't understand if The wives truly understand the impact of that statement. I believe in you And what it does change my life Nobody ever had Nobody ever had But she did So why would I want someone else? Why Nobody else Could ever be that That that is powerful And we as part of the church we see you up there week in and week out and and we see you guys Married together and and and you share these years To hear something like that. I know somebody is watching right now that needed to hear this They needed to hear this That needed to see that wives Believe in your husbands and and husbands make Yourself the hero to our wives And so as we wrap up I I would like to ask what encouragement would you bring To the couples maybe who are watching who are going through a difficult time To the couples of our church What would you guys bring as encouragement as pastor david and marie Encouraging Those in our church You got a word baby. Well, I think we need to encourage our husbands I mean some of them are I've lost jobs Right now And I know there's stresses in their in their family, you know, they're stressing they're stressing over it But I I think the woman needs to encourage the husband That he can do it. We're gonna get we're gonna get through this You know, we have a big god You know, he's gonna get us through That doesn't mean we're not gonna go through difficulties, but god is faithful We have a god who's who's faithful He has our interest our best interest in his hands And um and women we need to encourage our husband for me. I I didn't think anything of it. It was something that I know him. I love him. I know what his potential Was I know what he could do And going up there and holding on it was natural And I had faith in him and and women you need to have faith in your husband build them up It's not time to don't you tear him down. He needs to be built up And I think by building him up he will respond to you Through that and um I'm just thankful for my for the for the husband that my husband for the husband that god gave me I'm blessed. I don't I would never want to be anywhere else But right here next to him Not even hawai Not even a lot just next to you here, you know, we um The day I met marie the day I met her she wasn't saved. She came to a bible study And uh, she sat down on the couch next to me after the study She's real friendly And she said to me You know, what's your sign What's your sign and I said The fish and she said Oh, you're a Pisces Because she was going to college at that time and that was that was the big thing horoscope and this and that and she's not saved So I said now I said, um I'm not into astrology. I said And junk like that. I said i'm A follower of christ. I said the fish i'm speaking about Is the ichthus the symbol of christianity? And so she goes, oh, you know, it kind of like she was a college kind of flighty And that's silly and so I I just looked at this girl and Talked to her for a little while and I got in my car with my sister to drive home because I was driving from norwalk To ontario at that time to teach a bible study in ontario And I turned to my sister madeline Even though marie was not yet saved And I said I just met the girl i'm gonna marry. I knew it Now madeline brought you to faith about three weeks later in a bible study my sister led her to to christ And then Then after she was saved we started dating and we've never been apart since then I've never kissed another woman never romantically Held hands with another woman. It's only been marie. I mean that was it for me You know, I'm a one woman man. That's what I am and she's the same with me And so, um, I would say that for me, um Like I've said, I believe that a good woman Makes me want to be a better man And when she believes the way she does that god's going to use me That hasn't come naturally that has come because she has seen god use me She was sitting at at the dinner table And she's the one who sorts through the bills and does the bills for us. I I bring the check and and she spends the money And she's sitting at the uh at the dinner table many years ago now. I think our church had just begun Yes, yes very early and I walk in and and and she's she's crying At the table And I said what's wrong? She said honey, we don't have the money to pay our bills And I said my god shall supply my god shall supply My god is able I said, I trust him. I said marie. I'm looking for work because I just Resigned my position as an assistant. We didn't have any money I said i'm i'm looking for work. I'm doing the best I can i'm going to provide for this family But you need to know my god shall supply And when The mailman came as I was speaking and I went and pulled the mail came back Opened up the mail. There was a check there a cashiers check for 200 dollars And I put it in front of her and I said my god shall supply all my needs And it's things like that that we've had over the years Things like that over the years Where we have seen our god Who has supplied in every way john in every way and marie and I We can look back at a little teeny apartment that all together that apartment was probably 360 square feet That's where our bible study was. That's where I met her in a little apartment So now we've got a hundred thousand square feet of building We had a handful of people in my first studies now. God has brought more than a handful here I was I was just some some some young guy just saying we got to be used by god Let's find a way for jesus to to be able to use my life In the rest is history and like when rie says it's been a nice ride It's been bumpy sometimes. It's been difficult. We were very happy then we had kids You know He was it's been busy and difficult in many ways Many many many tears many brokenness broken times many hurts many Many betrayals many you name it. We've gone through it But all through it. We've had god and we've had each other And that's and that's that's what it is and like I My dad told me one day he said son Before there was a david There was your mom and when there's no longer a david there's still your mom She's first in my life. Well, that's how I am with this girl Before there was my children and even my Beautiful babies my grand babies. There was mama And when everybody's gone, there's still mama And that's what it means that the two shall become the one flesh That's what we have Thank you guys so much. I'm church family. I know you guys have enjoyed enjoyed this and You know, you just sparked a little interest in me. Maybe our next interview we can talk About being parents And go down that To hear what you guys have to say Again, it's a special time for me to even be able to have and host and interview you both Just as so many people in our church, we love you. I love you. My family loves you The church loves you. So thank you for all you do and thank you for being The faithful model to all our marriages And uh, we couldn't ask for a better pastor and and a better marie than you marie. So thank you and we love you Thank you. Love you too. Love you