 Oh, hi bosses. It didn't tell me I was live. I've been sitting here live for 19 seconds Hey, what's going on? Is this camera not centered? Think it maybe got a little bumped How's that that better? I'm gonna do the editors desk and then just chat with you. Oh, so take a little break Sit back pour yourself a coffee eat some cake. Hey, thank you for so many good editors desk questions I may not get to all of them this week But keep them coming keep them coming I will get the one from James that I referred to last week that I want to spend a little more time with James is really nice. I'm tempted to read the entire thing though. It's a little long just because he's so nice He's like, I don't want to come across whiny and gripy. This is not a DTNS Tom problem I'm a low-level patron across several podcasts And this is something tickling my irritation for a while Honestly, the only reason you're the one getting this emails because you sound like you're running a little dry on the editors desk And of course the recent know a little more shake up. Okay, so here it goes James says so I'm a truck driver. I don't make a ton of money But I'm proud to pitch in even a little to the morning stream DTNS politics politics politics It's a thing Andrew Heaton Talk about Star Wars rest in peace great night Jen briny court killers and we're not wrong And I understand that diversifying your offerings is one way to draw a new audience and bring in more income And I can't fault that at all and I understand the hustle I'm just wondering if there's a hope for maybe a simplified feed and a higher tier Perhaps out of my price range for those who are hip deep in the community I hate that. I'm not on the patreon for a word No a little more world's greatest con core film sack, etc But honestly, I'm paying more to patreon than I do to Netflix Disney Amazon yada yada I'm not making that equivalently though. I know y'all make your bones on depth rather than breadth And honestly, I feel like I'm not giving enough. I do however think I might be giving enough to skip ads I'm not sure anyway the feed creep reference is to know a little more clearly It's time for it's to spread its wings be its own thing But it's been staying in the DTNS patreon feed because it was a tier perk now. It's there stripped down Which is why I subbed to its feed separately and now I'm back in the ads And I need to remember to remove the naked one from my feed every week. I usually remember shortly after it starts I know you're already drowning in custom levels and perks and custom feeds and the limitations of patreon And I know that I'm asking a poorly formed question on top of the overload You've already got so feel free to totally ignore this brain dump or edit it into something comprehensible love the show James James That was perfectly comprehensible. I Entirely sympathize and I wish I had the tools to make this easy What I've been asking patreon to do for literally a decade. I think at least close to it is Let me provide multiple shows in one patreon and let you Check as a patron which ones you want now as many of you know for years I did that by having multiple tiers at each level But that made it a mess for new patrons to try to figure out where they are and it's caused a bunch of other problems in just maintenance So we got rid of that and we just have the one feed for everybody if you're on one of the old legacy feeds That's different. We didn't kick you off. So if you're like, well wait, I get different stuff. That's why But for new folks, we just make it simple. There's there's just one thing I wish patreon would give me that option to help folks like James out But I seem to be one of very few patron Patreon creators who need this and so I understand why they aren't you know rushing to do something just for me If I'm the only one who's gonna use it even if me and Scott and Justin, you know, they need they have I don't know Maybe millions at this point, but certainly thousands and thousands of people on their platform And so they need a good percentage of them to Use a feature before they're going to spend the time and money and met person hours to make that feature So that leaves me in this conundrum of well a bunch of you really wanted to know a little more in the feed Without the the the the effects And so I did that but not all of you want it because you can never please everybody, right? And I don't mean that as a complaint. I just mean literally you you can never please everybody And so there's gonna be folks like James are like, yeah, but I want the other one Now I have to listen to it with ads that rather than I listen to it adds especially because I'm supporting you in so many ways Makes me wonder At what if there should be and maybe this something I should talk to Scott and Brian and Justin and folks about if there should be some kind of Federation feed Where we just say like look for X amount And I don't know what that amount would have to be to satisfy everybody X amount of month you get it all All of it five and the best version of it Here you go Because I know what James is saying The solution if he wants ad-free know a little more with the production is to go to the know a little more patreon patreon.com slash know a little more Which you know, it's easy for me to say because I get the money from it I get what James is saying is like man, but I'm already supporting all these other patrons and at some point You know, you got to draw a line because you want to buy food and shelter Things important to living So so I'm I'm extremely grateful to James that he wants to support us this much and I don't know what what the what the what the answer is But I'm gonna keep thinking on it and if y'all Have ideas about it by all means please send those along to me as well Yeah feedback a daily tech news show calm I wish I had a better answer for you James, but I'm what I will promise is this isn't the final answer I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to some folks I'm gonna see what we can come up with cuz man You're you're absolutely right and you you couched it so well as like look. I'm not I'm not mad But it's a real problem and I think that's totally fair All right, let's get to George I've been curious for a while about how much you and the team use podcast Metrics to help you make data-driven decisions about the podcast. What kind of metrics do you gather downloads playthroughs? Subscribers, how do you get them? Do they come from a cast are there multiple sources? How do you use them? Do you graph things out in Excel just eyeball it something else? Do you find them useful to tell you if something is working or not? Sorry for all the questions. I'm a bit of a data nerd and love me a good Excel sheet The answer is he's kind of yes to all of that With the caveat that I tend not to be as much of a I can be a data nerd sometimes And I really love looking at the numbers and trying to divine what they mean But for for many years I've said look that the simple fact is most of our money comes from patreon. That's the number we need the most of The more free a cast subscribers We have the more people we can try to convince to become patrons the more people to become patrons The more revenue we get and the more we can do with the show So really that that's the one I'm laser focused on how many subscribers do we get and we look at that every day multiple times a day? But we do have all these other numbers and we do look at them So we have downloads from a cast we have downloads from patreon although to me I don't pay as much attention to downloads through patreon because to me it's more did you say a stay a subscriber or not? And then if you didn't why then downloads whereas with a cast the downloads relate to to ad revenue. So so they're a little more There they're a little more essential there play through as we get that to obviously subscribers and Our numbers generally come through a cast or patreon We have some numbers that come direct from Apple direct from Google and we take a look at those two I do have a few Google spreadsheets where I do some graphs on YouTube Twitch a cast patreon revenue graphs things like that and I keep those up to date and Do you find them useful to tell you if something is working or not I? Would say the things that are most useful because these are useful, but the things that are most useful are Answers to our survey and Patreon subscriber numbers and and any responses on patreon as to why you like it why you don't Even though that is not data You know, that's not like hard data. I use the hard data sort of a backstop to all of that so There you go, George. I hope that answers most of your question if it doesn't if it or if we brought up new questions Please let me know Alright We got Clint Who said oh? Wow, okay said a lot. I probably should have Probably should have looked at this earlier and edited it down Maybe I'll have to put this one off till next week. Let me look at it editors desk Just finished Friday and September 29th editors desk was out on my daily long walk with the dog I've heard you share that the total number of supporters is down recently heard the getting stats are Patron was maybe getting more difficult. Okay Total numbers supporters slowly declining has been doing that for a long time. We got a nice bump In the summer when we did the mollywood campaign But in general a little bit down It is not harder to get that number out of patreon What you've probably heard is Sarah complaining that we used to be able to tell easily who the new subscribers were And who gave us a raise so we could thank them on the show And they've changed that anyway As someone who's followed you in the crew from BOL to TNT to DTNs It's been a paying supporter for nine plus years plus twitch I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind considering a quarterly update on the business of the business for DTNs Ah, okay. I remember as someone that has a vested interest in your ongoing viability and success Be helpful to get more solid reporting on the state of affairs then the somewhat vague references we get regarding Quarterly average supporter numbers trend compared to last quarter Fun trends on and do I do that? Okay. Anyway, I'll take it as as you I would like more more numbers Maybe summarize without getting due to detailed future prognostications forecast upcoming trends How much of your personal income is dependent on DTNs? Like we know you have other gigs But what are those per person is anyone an actual full-time employer help aid straight an issue 1099s I understand you may hesitate to share granular details. Perhaps it's a bad quarter in emotional investment Investors and supporters may be scared away. Well, first of all, we have no investors. So it would only be supporters However, I think the majority of us really care genuinely care about you and the gang being there and being so dependable at what you deliver With the quality we may too often take for granted if things are getting bad Some of us can step up in different ways, even if it's just a smattering of more bits food for thought But as a longtime supporter, it just feels like something to perhaps add into the discussion calendar Also, I know you give a lot of shout outs to supporters in each episode But for those of us in the mid to lower tiers are those in the rotation to be mentioned as well What's the cutoff? I hear certain supporters repeated often, but not enough to support to the smaller guys But I would be and gals But I would suppose there are more of us that are crucial to ongoing support than the fewer big bucks supporters Maybe I'm wrong. That's okay. I won't pout too much Also, I'm a fellow 70s kid But I have noticed a real trend of hosts and guests very much being in the more season 40 to 50 range any thought on adding More young cool kids to the rotation that alone may bring in more listeners. Yeah Yes to the cool kids Turns out they're busy and they're harder to get but yes, I would like to diversify the age range For absolutely for sure for real the supporters the ones you hear repeated at the top Those are the master and grandmasters the folks who give at the very top level and so they as a perk Get thanked once a month every month Sometimes more we will will over deliver if we if we get through all of them and we can start repeat But but you will if you're a master or grandmaster get thanked At least once at the top of the show every month. That's part of your patreon The other people you will hear is either a new patron So we like to to give you that that person the shout out we used to do that separately We now do it with the master and grandmasters at the top of the show So it'll be master grandmaster folks three of those plus Hey, cool new person if there's no new person then we go to longest lifetime supporter that has not yet been thanked So yeah, it is it is going to the people in the mid to lower tiers No matter You know no matter what but but how much have they supported the show? And and Sarah keeps track of that she keeps track of who's been thanked of those longtime supporters life You know not lifetime supporters because they were born before the show was was born, but at least most of them and doubt We have any ten-year-olds supporting us, but who knows? Anyway, yes, so so that's the plan is that we're thanking folks either Prior the grandmaster and master folks get it as part of their patreon That's guaranteed then we thank new folks first to you know to say hey, thanks For joining us and then we thank lifetime supporters So so folks who have been with us for a long time and contributed In large amount not large amounts, but you know even if you've contributed just five dollars a month over the course of ten years That's a lot right, so we're going through that list There's three thousand and eight six hundred supporters something like that So it takes a while to get through maybe we'll do a thank couple like thank pocalypse again like we did back at the Beginning but anyway Clint there you go. I hope that helps answer those questions. All right, I Think I'm gonna hold off on any others that we got Until next week These are these these two are kind of quick though So if you've got another one if you got another question for editor's desk I love that we're getting so many questions for editor's desk. This is fantastic So so keep those coming feedback at daily tech news show dot com And if you didn't know you can also You know it catch me doing the editors desk not out and not every time but but every once in a while In a live stream either at our twitch or YouTube So keep an eye on that as well. Thanks everybody talk to you next time Okay, but I'm not leaving here. That was just talk to you next time to the recorded version Whoo meaty answers meaty answers from folks I kind of didn't answer the question about the I Just realized that I didn't fully answer the question about like hey, would you share? The the financial results and I should have so you know what I'll probably probably go back and answer that again next time Good afternoon everyone. Hello Hey, thanks Carver, I'm glad I'm glad you're support that idea I can't I can't guarantee it's gonna happen because we'd have to get everybody On board to want to do it and then the logistics of having everyone have access and publishing to it is complicated because patreon is really built around a single person Organization rather than Hmm. Hello sang So Man this new patreon logo really messes me up sometimes. I'll get used to it, but it's a It's a little bean. It's like a bean and I'm yes. Thank you first try finally, right? And it I just don't know what it is when I first look at it and then I have to think oh wait, that's patreon. Oh No My wife just texted me that even cafe onion and soul has got on the pumpkin spice train It's everywhere We're not anti-pumpkin spice. We actually have pumpkin spice coffee for our Nespresso. We're just in awe She's saying that's why we need to go in fall so we can get it. Oh No All right, so what did I do? With that editor's desk that I just recorded. Oh, there it is Yeah, thanks Carver. No, I appreciate and I appreciate the thumbs up I mean the finance I don't know how to answer that financial thing because some of it is just It's some of its personal privacy, right? Sorry, I'm typing You know give too much Especially with an operation as small as ours give too much financial information away and you can tell how much everybody makes and I Might not care, but other people on the staff may not want everyone to know how much they make And I did I did previously answer the like how how much of our personal income is derived and in my case all of it Yeah, I mean I get a little bit from cord killers, but the majority of it from this Right, so what else did I answer? It was the metrics Clint's thing about how the show is doing and More that's what you put when you don't remember next Editors desk Publishing oh I should select the tears of a clown Wanted to go to all the people who should get it. I Am having a fine day killbot 404. How are you? Have you? Killed any processes today? Right now I have done The editor's desk no Sarah Lane on Daily Tech news show today. It is her birthday And she said I mean I don't have to take my birthday off But I kind of like to and we all said you should so that's why I was not on the show Yesterday because I'm usually not on the show Thursday because I work on know a little more and so I swapped I am on the show today with Rob Dunwood and Justin Robert Young And Yesterday I did an episode that was suggested by Big Jim of know a little more that'll come in November about Authenticators if you've ever wondered well wait, how does my authenticator app know what the number is without Communicating over the internet to the server and then somebody could swipe it So we went into that Philly clay By two runs Making stuff up now. Oh also I'm starting to get some rhythm on the tech Tom newsletter. It is only going to the paid folks right now, but I Suspect by next week. I'll be ready to share a preview with everybody So if you're not already subscribed to tech Tom go to tech Tom dot sub stack comm and I will I you know I need to come over the news a URL to redirect to it but But yeah, get subscribed there if you Feel like paying you'll be able to get the issues right away because they're all going behind the paywall at the moment But you don't have to because it's still kind of in beta But if you want to sign up for the free preview I don't know what the free preview schedule in the future will be but If you pay in the future, you will get a daily briefing and It seems to be coalescing around Hear my opinions about tech stories not necessarily stories They'll leave and show up in DTNs, but things that I have a thought about so, you know, it's less of the Objective arbiter that I play on DTNs and more like here's what I really think kind of kind of situation. Oh I will Carver Absolutely, that's good. That's cool that you've been watching her since all the way back then It's not tech tips though. It's tech knees Yes, any other Let's see. What's what's on the schedule for the NHL tonight? I'll give you the over under These are these are not if you lose money based on my tips. Uh, well That's your own fault because these are not guaranteed. These are if anything guaranteed to be wrong Blues and the stars Blues by one I don't know any of the rest of these crack golden nights and sharks golden nights by two I have I've actually lost track of the frog wrestling From when I went on my vacation. I need to pop back in on there I apologize. Oh, well not apologize. I I feel for you real lost. I know how that goes All right Look at that. We got a comment on yesterday's show. I should favor it favor right that Let me favor right that comment. Oh, it's not on the show. It's on roger Roger's been getting a lot of comments on his column lately. People are enjoying it If you haven't read roger's column, he writes a column every week Sales in this economy is the title of today We put all this new stuff out on thursday. I wonder if we should space it out Alrighty I should look at the uh at the feeds Use your title to submit titles for dt net. Don't do that yet nightbot. It's too early I'm gonna share my screen anybody want us to see the screen? I don't do bad. You're gonna see it anyway Do All personal feeds is what it should be called. There we go All right What would signal life on another planet? I want to know The james web space telescope failed to find a thick atmosphere around trappist 1c Trappist 1b Oh, it's becoming a practical question. Who runs the best us schools? Maybe the defense department Threads rolling out an edit button and you don't have to pay for it. Oh I mean, I don't know You usually be able to edit a post for up to five minutes after it's been posted. That's That's you know, like everywhere else except x You know what especially with news the way it is these days I need to look at news separately because there's not as much technology in my news section here as there used to be Netflix's ted serendous reveals why talks broke down with sag after As for a levy on every subscriber, which led. Oh, okay. So now they're in the blame game They tried to do this. Well, that's not exactly what we did. You tried to do that That's never a good sign when you're in the blame game That means talks are farther away from getting resolved Is it being probed? Let's see. Is that real? Further intense scrutiny. Let's see Formal request for information. Oh, okay. All right. Yep Said there's uh, okay, so I gotta update that In response the EU sent a formal request for more information Prelude to an investigation That's how I'll put that T-Mobile switching users to more expensive plans Threads gets an edit button. Oh, fine. Fine. I give in Everyone's covering it Threads got a net edit button Let's See what else Is in the quick hits Google search generative experience knowledge users create images The banu asteroid sample stuff's cool NFL Sunday ticket draws an estimated 1.3 million fans to youtube Mark that for cord killers That's getting an edit button and you don't have to pay for it Third-party mobile app with gray sky for blue sky. Oh, I might have to check that out All right I will stop sharing that screen and put it back in my other tabs Oh carver. I'm I'm so glad you checked Um, congrats. Um, congrats to me actually not not you Uh Not now nightbot Uh, that's funny Right in Minneapolis you rock. I'm bored by the edit button. I've never been one that really Felt like it was wrong for them to not put an edit button I think it goes back to the fact that I resisted allowing an edit button on tech tv dot com for talk back back in the day but Um I also don't mind an edit button. I use an edit but I need an edit button To be honest, I just don't think it's like An affront to humanity to not offer when there's some good reasons on both sides of that. Okay Dancing in the moonlight Oh, hey speaking of mastodon, which one of you just was um We I I enabled the master the it's not a mastodon plug-in. It's a fetaverse activity pub Plug-in on daily tech news show dot com. So if you're on mastodon or I can't remember all the others that Pull that up. Um If you're on mastodon pluroma friendica Anything use an activity pub You can follow daily tech news show at daily tech news show dot com I don't think threads has implemented all of their stuff yet. They've they've implemented a very small part of it Um, I wish I had a had a button in real life too carver. Uh, so yeah Probably mostly you're on mastodon. I don't know. Maybe you're on friendica too Whatever you can follow daily tech news show at daily tech news show dot com. You can also follow individual authors so That's not particularly useful for us because we're not exactly a blog But if you're like no, I only want to hear about rob dunwood's episodes of daily tech headlines You can do that. Um Because it it publishes them individually as well. So Uh, yeah, I uh, I was the first follower of daily tech news shows fetaverse instance And you could be the second maybe Actually, let me see See if we see if anyone else figured this out yet because I retweeted the rob dunwood post I don't know if that just means rob got followers and not daily tech news show Um the discussion section All right followers Hey We have two So you could be the third. Yeah, I wasn't gonna out you kill bot, but yes, you are the second one Uh and only one so far So, um, yep There you go Go churk it out Anything else going on anything else you want to talk about? Got a couple minutes before I need to ski dattle and start uh getting ready for our prep I am going to brussels. It looks like I haven't quite Finally confirmed but but it's pretty much kind of firmed um Hey carver, I just uh saw that you You knew patrons patrick And carver I just got the email notification Uh, anyway, yes, uh, I'm going to brussels for speaking engagement, uh, november 5th through the 9th so If you're going to be in belgium sometime around then Uh Let me know if we could do a little coffee meetup or something While I'm there, uh, I will probably be off dts for those days. We'll see my guess is I will be And I will be busy with with the speaking engagement, of course that I'm doing They were very nice to reach out and I asked for me to be there and I'm looking forward to it It's going to be super fun. Um, but In the meantime Uh, I would like to try to to see if there's anyone hanging around in brussels Or we're near enough to brussels that wouldn't be in a position to to make it over and uh, yes I expect I will try all of the waffles and sprouts and chocolates belgium has to offer While I'm there the capital of the eu Or at least one of them No news about apples like my reality vr glasses carver. Nothing today. Anyway, um I doubt we get anything solid I'm sure there'll be leaks between now and the end of the year, but I doubt we get anything solid till after ceas That's my guess Oh and and beer. Yes omega man. Good point Belgian beer quite good They seem to be fairly good even the non monks pretty good at the beer over there Oh, you have family there I'll say hi if I see them Uh, yeah saying I have never been to belgium I have also never been to the netherlands. Uh, and so I'll get to say I've been there since I'm flying through amsterdam I believe they just call them sprouts there carver And yes zoe, uh, I will give you a bacon verdict and you should have some more coffee I I could say that I don't know if I will But I could All right, uh, I'm gonna go, uh Get on into The prep it's rob dunwood And jesson robber young, uh with me today Oh, I didn't do a little rundown preview today. So if you're curious, um, we're gonna talk a little bit about threads Uh resisting being a news Uh platform because mosiri wrote some more about that Uh, we're gonna kind of do an overview of the pixel eight reviews and how they're so wildly different Uh, depending on where you read them um, and then uh piper stand there had a really interesting Uh survey of teens came out and there was some interesting stuff in there about You know youtube pest net netflix is the most watched video amongst teens in the u.s for the first time There's some other stuff about you know preferences for messaging and payment apps and things like that So we're gonna kick all that around Um, and then uh rob's gonna tell us about this new operating system personal cloud computer called space os Uh, so all of that and more and then on good day internet, uh, we're gonna chat about netflix opening restaurants yeah okay, so, uh If you want to watch that right here, uh, if you're on twitch you can twitch.tv slash good day internet We don't stream that on youtube just on twitch at least for the time being so Go to twitch.tv slash good day internet in just about an hour and 15 minutes to catch that And I will talk to you then Goodbye. Have a great day. Thanks Ending the stream