 now we are live. Good morning everybody. Good morning Olga. Our conversation with David we are so happy to have you again. David I had fantastic conversations with you before and for those who don't know David's teaching and life path I really want you to do research, join his Facebook page. He has a lot of wonderful content that you really enjoy and today I thought it would be great David if we have conversation about the subject that I think so valuable especially in today's environments. We have election coming up. We have so many different conflicts on social media that I can absorb everyday arguments. It feels like people have compassion fatigue. Don't you find it that sometimes it feels like all science pointing its compassion fatigue. David tell me what is your work in bringing compassion to everyday routine of every human being no matter what state of awareness a person has whether they had experience that you are so blessed to have you me and many other people the experience of awakening the experience of seeing beyond body mind. What is that that you can share that is relevant? Well my work centers on the idea and the experience that there's really one of us we share we're all connected we share one mind and that the belief in separation has projected out a world of differences but the core disturbance is in the mind and consciousness so everything that I work with is on healing the consciousness healing the mind and then seeing the world in a way where you radiate the love that's already inside of you to everyone and everything so compassion is a very interesting topic because a lot of times there are many many spiritualities that that will say you need to have compassion towards ignorance and compassion towards suffering and compassion towards conflict and so forth and from my teachings it's that you must find the source of the conflict of the suffering of the all differences in mind and consciousness before you can truly extend love so if you believe that that you are not a part of the suffering but you still perceive other people suffering I would say you are deluded you are mistaken because you can't even perceive conflict and perceive suffering unless you actually believe it it's unconscious usually the mind is not aware of of how deep the beliefs in ego are rooted but if you are perceiving the suffering and trying to act compassionately it's going to be a very difficult struggle and it will bring fatigue and it will bring like a burnout that you mentioned because in one sense you're saying I'm perceiving it I have nothing to do with it but I'm going to send love to it and if you're perceiving it you believe it you actually already do believe it and so really as soon as you perceive the conflict and the suffering in whatever in politics or in different cultures and so on and so forth then you have to come back inside and say I need healing in my perception to actually experience the love that's in my heart so it's quite it's quite a journey to clear clear the consciousness completely when difficult is did you did or do experience in relation to compassion because you know in interaction between human beings sometimes so many triggers can happen and as I as I listen a lot of other people who had experiences of awakening the the the body mind awareness still still exist even after the experience itself as the intensity of its upside for a lot of people probably for majority of people the reconstruction into the ego happens and it's almost I see in my world the intensity of experiences of emotion became much stronger before the experience itself happened it seems like because we became more open to to feeling everything that the body is there to feel you almost feel even most more I cannot say suffering per se but the the pains of the emotions that are perceived to be painful you feel it stronger and I can can see that it's relevant to a lot of other people I yesterday just I just listened some a discontent conversation and some other teachers and sages it feels like it's it's very common denominator I don't know how it's in your world that they after the experience of awakening of experience that of the unified consciousness when you get reintegrated as a human being per se or perceived to be such the emotions become almost stronger they are not disappearing people have this imagination that maybe some cases I don't know it's not my situation I cannot I cannot share it because there's no experience on my end that there is something happening to your emotional world when everything becomes this nirvana and peace no you just have different relationship with the emotions but the experience of suffering then become not so personal any longer you don't you don't suffer you feel the pain yet there is not this existential suffering or depression or believing in the emotions any longer there is observer to that but through suffering of our own as we experience it it's much easier to come back to relating to other beings that goes through their own struggle isn't that so well I think there are many pathways to awakening but I would say a purely awake mind does not suffer at all ever there's not an observer of the suffering it's just there is no suffering because actually spirits or love or oneness doesn't create any kind of conflict or suffering it all it always comes from ego so when people say I'm I'm I had an awakening experience they maybe had a glimpse of something they had a glimpse of the divine will say but they didn't they didn't actually fully awaken from the ego if if the suffering or even the perception of suffering comes back even if they're observing the suffering it's still there is no suffering in God so I actually studied of course the miracles which is from Jesus Christ and here we have a totally awake being someone who who seemingly was on the cross and he basically had blood coming from his limbs and he said forgive them for they know now what they do in a calm way he actually did not have any pain on the cross a lot of times people in this day and age they see people that can use the power of their mind to walk across hot coals and not feel pain or they even walk across hot coals and their feet don't even get burned well this was Jesus Christ he had transcended he doesn't need hypnotism he had actually reached the point where he saw the ego wasn't real and death wasn't real and so we had a man who seemed to come back after he was buried dead and buried just as another witness to say actually death and pain and suffering aren't real they'd have nothing to do with a loving spirit a loving source a loving oneness that we truly are now this takes a lot of mind training so I would say that for most people what they do is they are continually having things pop up from the unconscious mind that are little threads of darkness still the belief in death it's a death wish that's still in the mind and it's all suffering comes from still holding on and protecting a death wish in the mind so what it is is I would say like relationships anytime we perceive an external world somehow that the world is outside of us instead of just unified in we'll call it the unified field unified awareness the quantum field that's all an awareness that everything is completely connected and there's nothing inside or outside most human beings perceive an external world and even if you are having a happy day and a mosquito comes along and bites you on the arm and you feel a little irritated at the mosquito bite there's still an antagonism with what seems to be the skin and you feel it emotionally you get irritated you get annoyed you get itchy and even that is still ego even a misperceiving an irritation with a mosquito bite because any form of irritation and annoyance or upset even the tiniest upset is still saying that ego is still rooted in the mind in consciousness and it has to be transcended so I would say I work with everybody into the sense of don't try to get into mental games of of of perceiving suffering and trying to detach yourself from the suffering as long as it's in your awareness whether it's a mosquito bite or a little fatigue and discomfort, tightness in the body or a little bit of worry or anxiety or whatever don't fool yourself into thinking I can just try to detach from that or push it away it's coming up into awareness for a reason to be released and we're here to release every scrap of discomfort so that we can truly live a joyful happy radiant life you know full of love extending that's really what we're all going for and and it does take a lot of discipline I'm not trying to kid anybody by saying they can just twinkle their nose or click their fingers or put their heels together like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz and just keep clicking their heels together and I'm not saying it's magic you know we can use it in a magical way it it takes prayer and meditation and a real willingness to to not hold on to any sense of personal identification