 I see many of my old colleagues, I see many of them in the audience, faculty, distinguished guests. I consider it a great honor to be invited to talk on the occasion of people's memorial function. It's indeed a great honor I thank the organizers for inviting me for this honor as responsibility. When Ajit talked to me, he told me that normally we expect someone to talk about policies. I told Ajit that I'm not much of a policy man. The only thing I understand is process control, process optimization, process systems engineering. Policy is for those who seek much above what the positions I have held. I said I'll talk about something close to policy, something which relates to systems. Because systems are always vehicles for implementation of policy. So I decided to talk about systems view of engineering education. I give this lecture as a mark of respect and salute to Professor SK Bose. As indicated earlier, I came to the institute in 1960 as a student. Bose was very much there to see him moving around personally at the possibly expanding campus. My encounter with him was first in the sports field. I mean, when he just started the basketball activity, Bose was there to sort of encourage us. And if he didn't play well, he's to China. I said, you're a healthy man, why are you not running faster? Subsequently, when I became a faculty, I think he interviewed me for a faculty position. And he used to be very friendly with the faculty as well as the students. Holy time is to come to the staff hospital, knock on everybody's door and say, don't sit inside like old people, come out and play holy. So he was there all the time and man who looked, his military discipline saw that the infrastructures are getting him very fast. But he has a softer attitude towards academics. He saw the need of what is needed in an academic institution and saw to it that the welfare of the faculty and the students are taken care of suitably. Now moving on to the topic, if you look at the broad goals of engineering education, I would say that knowledge dissemination and knowledge creation, knowledge dissemination through academic programs, knowledge creation through research and development programs, aims being high quality manpower, my own prescription of high quality manpower, they should live in their own perspective areas. Idea theory is processes, products and solutions, which would have an impact on society, scientific and industrial world. Issues related to engineering education. If you look at engineering education today, there are a few things we have to see. What are the status of an existing education system? What are the national and global scenario in engineering education? Contacts in an environment in which engineering graduates have a function in mind and there are several stakeholders who have to look at their needs and also we have to define a pivotal role for engineering education in our nation. We have to formulate a purposeful education program and it's a growing population. We have to see that we plan for capacity expansion and capability building. Underlining all this is a quest for excellence. Engineering education has not been a static. There are a lot of changes from an inflexible, mono-disciplinary character about varying degrees of flexibility, both in terms of content, blend of theory and practice, more theory and less practice as somebody who complained right now in recent times, but I think a judicial blend of both theory and practice, programs are diverse, durations are varying a little bit and there are a bit tighter program assessment and monitoring and instructional process and delivery model have also changed from teacher centering to other learning styles. With all this and also to put it together we'll have chemistry, physics, areas of discipline, compulsory, if you look at the inflexible, mono-discipline focus earlier, we used to have only a few different areas with a little sprinkling of humanities, social sciences, but with a little more flexibility we have electives coming into the picture, the courses became a little more flexible. And if you look at chemical engineering as an example, this is all the profession as the one, education as the one, chemical engineering started as an industrial chemistry, and it started as a unit process and unit architecture, and this theory started living large chemical engineering sites, which brought the whole thing into material balance, transport phenomena, transfer, transport and reactive processes, and all lots of other things coming like process control, biochemical engineering, environmental engineering, et cetera, molecular biology and computers started becoming important and management principles also became part of the engineering curriculum. So there has been evolution from the basic industrial chemistry to how they looked at it, from operations, the process point of view, to the science point of view, and dissecting the science into various components and trying to structure a curriculum, blended with many other enabling subjects to make this curriculum where it is. There have been concerns on air very frequently in U.S. that are engineering graduates. There have been concerns that engineering graduates do not respond to the change in the changing world scenario, and the rapid developments in technology and their impact on industry. There is a globalization of business, environmental has become an important issue, with lots of technologies being developed, IPR is an important issue, technologies are getting solid faster, and new technologies are coming with the current trend for nano, bio, et cetera. Work environment has also changed, and now the engineers have to be dynamic, have to work in a dynamic and learning environment. To put all this into a neat picture, we have the, if you look at the status of engineering education, you'll have the knowledge explosion on one side, rapid technology development, competitive nature of business, societal concerns, environmental concerns, dynamic environment, and idea potential issues. View of education is that existing education system is not flexible enough or enough to require management skills, multi-disciplinary skills, and learning skills, engineering education, and look at the stakeholders. I designed a vector known as APEC vector. APEC is aspirations, P is perceptions, E is expectations, C is concepts. So I put APEC for faculty and students, because there's something individualistic in this. In an organization, the aspirations is a little more collective aspirations. I thought it is, no aspirations, I got into the administration because they are slowly tied up with the faculty and students. So aspirations are not captive into the administration, but I put aspirations only for the two individualistic orientities in the whole educational system. Government, society, professional world, and global community. Globes all have a perception of engineering education. And if you look at students, his perceptions is drawn from what he sees from the professional world, his own perception of what engineering education is, and what is the role of an engineer in society. When you go to any counseling, when I used to do IIT counseling, my students had perceptions about a branch. In fact, one student, when I told him that you take civil engineering, he says, sir, what is the use of civil engineering? It's just building something, not very impressive. There are no impressive engineering there. And he wasn't giving a very alarming status. Sir, in a particular IIT, a lot of civil engineering graduates are not employed. They are not getting placement. So why should we run a curriculum? Youngster telling me when I'm counseling, why should I learn civil engineering? Who convinced me why civil engineering is an important profession for me? I'm nothing against civil engineering, but I battle my way, rightly so, to say the things that civil engineering can do. So perceptions can be deceptive. As students, we always look at the students here because we are always here for students. Their aspirations can be individualistic. They are a profile of a profession. They say that computer science, sitting in grass, it is politic to talk well about computer science and information to problem. Computer science is a dream profession for me. I expect this to happen in my profile. And the quality of education, what are the demerits and merits of various professional avenues? Remember, I want to be an engineer, I want to be a manager. So they have a perception. They also have an expectation that the education that they get would help them to realize their aspirations. They are concerned again that I'm going into a competitive environment. So this aspect vector, which one has to encompass in looking at each of the stakeholders in our analysis. So engineering education has to manage multiple stakeholders. So what do we do? We can harmonize their perceptions. We can reconcile their expectations. The natural aspirations of key constituents, it's politic for me to talk about students and faculty, because they have an experience with other people who are going to be deeply involved in educating these students. Faster synergistic interactions between the stakeholders minimize softened divergent positions between the stakeholders. Can we do this? It's important. A case for systems view engineering education will be that since we have multiple stakeholders, multiple perspectives, defined contextual roles of stakeholders, distinctive characters of central entities in the system like faculty, students, employers, many of the influences which affect the education system because it's a human learning of many other factors. Complex causal relationship model if I do this, will it help the student? If I do this, will I help the student? And also defining policy actions and roles. Systems approach, provides a framework because it can look at systems, look at the whole process of a structural, functional, behavioral aspects, look and look at interactions between various components. Can look at causal aspects, what is the policy, what is action, what are the results of that action and what can be an artful decomposition. To solve a problem, a rigorously decomposition may be difficult in problems of complex angles. We could do an artful decomposition of the problem based on structural, temporal, functional aspects and we can, above all, we can look at multiple scenarios. We can get a philosophical paint on which we could, and which could hang this, put this engineering education. There are lots of philosophers like Lebanese, Locke, Kant, Hegel and Singer. This thought came to me because I was doing a project for Hanivan on the design of a decision support system. So I thought everything should have a philosophy. So philosophically, various philosophers like Libyan, Lebanese, Locke, Kant, Hegel, Singer they all proposed various philosophers looking into a complex organization system. And Singer of the Man would look at the most complex system which he called the Wiccans system. They are these. So hard solve systems in which a lot of complex relations require that. It permits a holistic view can analyze complex social issues developed by broad envelope for analysis encompassing all other objects. You put everybody, you put all stakeholders into your framework for analysis and understand and interpret interrupting influences and generate multiple perspectives. In fact, there is an excellent paper by Courtney on how the decision support system was helpful in looking at some of the civic projects they handled. I thought maybe we should try to look at Singer's organization model as a potential model on which we could analyze engineering education as a system, as a complex system. Complex and as Singer says, Wiccans system. Wiccans not because of the personalities and not because of the character of the complex. So if you look at basis for decision making in order to look at the society for some reason that color has become green because I think accidentally I put green but in society we look at a green environment so by accident it came to happen but it is quite providential and it happens to me that green because later on I get to say something about it. In the employment segment they don't think together they think together. Global community, academic industry, student community, academic people, educators, professional bodies and I should have put alumni also here seeing so many alumni here but I would not have put that box there. So assume that there is a box of alumni also in this. So if your planning body adopt a Singerian model and look at the viewpoints of all the stakeholders here and see that what could be the profile of a graduate? What could be the educational problem program between the best people? So through to Singerian model Singerian models and nobody is supreme. Everybody has a view, everybody has got a solution. So Singerian model comes out with multiple perspectives and multiple models. So let's get a sample of this. Socially, one should smile and say I want an educational, socially beneficial, affirmative action. There are some other work done which I will not mention here. Industry, there is a professional accent. Employability is a very dangerous term in the IT situation. Driver of economic growth. Economic view is I want strong research focus. I want to do something I want to do something really. I want some flexibility in the case of academic freedom and I want to be in the state of the art. Government when we look at manpower development, social life, societal benefit and contribution to economy I am not including political dimensions here because I think the most memorial lecture we leave those things out. Student to put it succinctly a pathway to successful category. Globally they are looking at manpower resource and how we can contribute to the engineers, the products of engineering as we can contribute to economy. I read Ram Kalkar's newspaper report names and world class events and tried to preserve that brand name all the time. So that was Ram Kalkar's message which I sort of put into this. We can also look at fusion of multiple perspectives which is quite consistent living in the Hungarian youth. When I happened to read the statement of Deversion I think why yes sir I made a mistake maybe in the second why we ending up when I looked at it I think I made a mistake in that. He says I have a triple bottom line triple bottom line Ekra like societal and environment and greening industry he talked about the greening industry and a need for long term mission which essentially means that you have to look if you have a long term mission each person will accept their own influence on engineering and you need to have an overall system you have to look at engineering and not a selective view of a stakeholder. Now question comes you have made all these statements what is the evidence that these things work. I confess there are no studies study reports on analysis of a total educational system which encompasses all this this is a proposition I have put but systems approach have been used for some component of engineering there was an interesting project done by someone in US how teaching and research how they affect each other and how it can be enhanced using a system engineering system model. Educational process is a manufacturing system which is a little hard to understand and there was one thing another paper was improving the retention rate because in India we have got lots of people 3 lakh students right for beta in US and other places especially in Europe they have problems of numbers. So how to improve the retention rate so study the entry characteristics of students and align the program which you will see in the program for a longer time. If you look at the how people have reacted to this look at recent reviews of engineering education where they have a lot of committee Mackenzie report which is confidential but I have good I have confiscated a copy of it I have at USA Bologna process Europe and Union are concerned of winning numbers in engineering education they are formed together in a consortium of students across Europe and Union an interesting initiative was done by Boeing and the chemical engineering community not without them have the frontiers in chemical engineering initiative and in India itself we have the Waila Ravi committee I don't know whether they have submitted the report now some of them may have used the system due to varying extent especially the USMF I particular my single one is a very consistent Boeing initiative is interesting because it brought a lot of things people together if you look at the educational process as a system we have a student population a screening process which could be J, C, D, Q which brings up the student in tech and we have a knowledge transfer skill development process I will now put everything into systems an educational process which does the skill transfer process you can graduate and systems view will always have to characterize the input you have to characterize the output you have to measure the performance and give feedback for improvement of education or improvement of the screening process this is the loop which is important love can this loop be managed and we have another interesting love if you look at the student in tech knowledge transfer skill development and educational program look at statistics you have a student with a prompt frequency distribution I am going to push this to a level where you have a higher level where the accomplishments go to a higher level then narrow band this is how we begin manufacturing if I have to take a system view of manufacturing you have to reduce quality variation bring them around to a mean so one statistical view of engineering education will be transferred to a narrow band of high attainers that is another goal can I take a broadband input can I push them into a narrow band of high attainers is one of the possibilities look at entire engineering education student in tech infrastructure and leadership support graduate profile model curriculum we have all options dual degree M tech, Bologna process model co-operating model and recently somebody has put a transdisciplinary model curriculum structure and curriculum vary from continent to continent IIT to IIT to some extent there now the learning has become much wider highly directed learning, self-learning collaborative learning experimental learning project-based learning and problem-based learning in fact lots of people are working on each of these modalities so the an assessment which leads as an important element this is the whole system known place model management how will I optimally package the knowledge and skills using judiciously the tools available the capabilities available of all these learning modes and technology being a supportive agent to all these things I was looking at a chemical engineering curriculum and trying to find out how I can within the limit of time how I can pack more into the category and found some ways of doing it I think this is not the occasion there are only a few chemical engineering and this is not the idea here so it's the idea of how I use the available resources and try to get the best model which gives the knowledge to answer as efficiently as possible implicit systems approach is a review, they started with the review process involving all stakeholders Abert is the accreditation body for engineering and technology in the US and that's why I'm trying to put it together a review process involving stakeholders this thing of weakness in current education is a scenario which I already explained earlier a proclamation of an engineering criteria which is the main thing engineering criteria have guidelines on program formation outcome, curriculum formation how do you measure the outcome what are the protocols for the outcome what are the resources I have use of our subsequent feedback for program correction they are going to create details of how it can be done so that when the accreditation body come to the university they have to quickly look at various protocols only they will get satisfied a far cry from the way it happened here in the education institution that started with very little screen now I look at only the top few things are all general things functional and multidisciplinary scheme that's going to be professional and thick and responsibility communicative and effective in fact of engineering solutions in a global social context engaged in lifelong learning knowledge of contemporary these are some of the special qualities they expected out of this field and learning also there are a lot of skill requirements communication skill etc the important thing what they have done is in the assessment procedure our assessment procedure student write an exam you go on their assessment procedure creeps into the curriculum you explain how in your curriculum these things and these outcomes which I indicated earlier will be realized by your program they look at the curriculum and say if it is an interdisciplinary component of learning how is that in your curriculum they have to write a course matrix in 4 places where these attributes will be actually satisfied so deep insight into how the curriculum is performing how the learning methodology is done how the exam assignment all are evaluated as per some criteria internal external service interviews and to act to IIT students of Ramak I learned more from hostels than from department unstructured learning to humor the IIT students they say we learn more from hostels so that is an unstructured learning which I have put there how much of it is true is open to debate so the assessment process gives you written matrix and to go further I have quality control charts what they have done is they have adapted the quality control normal quality control manufacturing machine they assess these and there are some 21 ways in which they assess these these heterogeneous kind of input which comes going at different upwards they started with a round table for enhancing engineering education it had workshop round table discussion there are actual implementation models they came up with the desired attributes of an engineer and there are model engineering from ground it's an interesting paper that you and I have got an actual review so basically what they have done is it is interesting they got all these people together the professional societies ASSE, AVE&T which is accreditation and found what is known as IUGRE and looked at funding and program development etc into a certain active collaboration and they have done some implementation model etc and they came up also with the profile of an engineer which is again interesting you look at things they are expecting history they want history of technology and after I went through I did some homework when I am doing the study of systems history is very important because some of the beginnings of engineering education came essentially with a theory of Harveys and blood circulation they said the beginning of engineering was studying the blood circulation which handled in human being and communication everybody talks of ethical standards and ampillity as some cannot to adapt to practical major changes curiosity and desire and this is very important life long learning is the most important thing and curiosity and desire to learn is a profound understanding of team these are some of their prescriptions but basically the idea here is engineering education industry and stakeholders are deeply involved in this exercise as a total system now definition of outcome confidence or outcome summary from this is confidence or outcome can go beyond academic attainments and if I extend it further outcome should be defined for different possible graduates they have only done it for bachelor degree undergraduate we have to look at how we can define an outcome idea is that we can add a brand value that is UG, PG and Ph outcome so defined academic attainments skills, attributes, awareness affecting our learning yourself program weakness and deficiencies could be used in the overall assessment of the institution if you have this assessment measures you can even assess how good that institution is I am coming back for that later to get this further if you look at the assessment can tell how good that program is we can also get a total graduate profile which can give you better employment I will give you some examples and under PG students can say with a profiling can I say that I am much better than a UG student so I can profile the PG UG students to show normally industries that we are only interested in we will talk about it when we take my M-tax program don't talk to me as I will give you only M-tax students we have this and that so with this kind of profiling maybe I can differentiate the values of a UG and sometimes we can even challenge the employer so that happens once a Ph.D. student was with whom I have advised the multinational companies and he is not good he is not fit for my student was in that company valued rightly or wrongly my students were better now so he kept on insisting that the company has a mother and says he has all these qualities so I told ultimately you have seen this man over a telephonic interview from US on a highly research course but I have seen this man for 5 years I know exactly what his potentials are so you better these values are not stated in this so after that he got employment in that company so he can be used even as a tool to reconcile employer assessment with our own internal assessment and he interested in that somebody can ask why don't we characterize the input also for the academic we only look at the grades for this one can you also assess them for various attributes which they have in that respect now I return all the attributes in that respect I have dropped the types of in the report ingredients to create an instinct he says that if I tell you the ingredients there are the ingredients to make an instinct so if I can profile the input maybe I get the ingredients to make the instinct how about that profiling means I don't know but I just thought that times up in the report which came only yesterday I thought it was interesting and says now it's a system philosophy in structuring the whole educational process which involves knowledge of core discipline, problem solving put the vast amount of information into a a similar one for the instructional learning style information literacy all this together becomes engineering education and the education there is also an eye on employment arena not all people have told me about life MIT led the initiative said look we are looking at a emerging generation of engineering they said we have to look at it after more so they have said that they have not looked at all this they said we have to look at it all systems are nano micro, mega I must look at them in that so my engineers will be able to look at the my uterus of process take place in the atomic learn the same time they will be able to look at large scale systems and do their analysis so they are trying to restructure their curriculum to a more different drastic restructuring of the curriculum they said 2010 that curriculum they want to implement industry has not spoken much about it I thought there will be some strong reaction from the industry and I have not seen too much of a report about this so it might come into force and in this there will be a lot of in the US participating in this new curriculum initiative which is totally from futuristic role of all this and one important thing which comes out of all this product design product design is going to make an important impact on engineering I feel that what chemicals will go out only is speciality chemicals will come out so future environmental chemical engineering will be in all these specialized chemical industries and that will be there I will spend a little time on postgraduate some unique features since postgraduate education has been done in detail study so I look at the we have a student population the aspirants which go to the screening process not all of them belong to the top one we have screening process which can be gate we have student intake and knowledge transfer same same cycle the idea here is we don't get the best of the inputs to under the course of postgraduate so can we restructure can we sort of get better quality input into our program sharpen our knowledge transfer process so that we can increase the brand value we always talk about brand value can you enhance the brand value with postgraduate students amazingly India has a love just turned out of postgraduate students with the numbers I have which I don't want to say supply is less than the projective demand there are quality concerns about employment availability of active alternate options like where they can go to ITGF here means there are many employment and they are concerned with UVG and when they say that we are not much better than a UVG student in terms of place and there is an employment expectation gap I study more about what we are doing I do the same thing this gate exam in a discriminatory component called characterise quality is a question which I pose we can profile the postgraduate student as one who has knowledge technical as well as specialized skills enhanced domain knowledge skills personal maturity and leadership differentiate UVG and PG and may be PG among PG is dual degree and PG we can differentiate like any other system we should be able to differentiate our graduates in a position that what we do need for a suitable outcome measure similar to the engineering criteria 2000 what are the problems here also we have a lot of options but flexible I would like a course in dominant or research dominant the thing which I want to say is we can also liberate the research profile teaching other two things which I want to say is I had the review committee I had shot down the development they said it's not I had review committee I said dual degree may not be the best idea reasons not known so which program best suited for the job profile how do we effectively use students and improve their skills tutors you know now if you call a tutor they say why I have to be a tutor it's better to take tutoring as a learning experience a couple of my students have taken a scholarship under me say sir give me as much work as I want because I want to learn if you make tutoring as a learning experience it will be and not as a load in that aspect even teaching when some faculty said I have got teaching load I get a little scared it should be always teaching assignment and not a load teaching load we don't carry load which carry assignment and responsibility so research profile I had to start with the mini program which I thought was interesting so enhancing value will challenge the research path the first option for the project we should have I had a very good student in 1977 that man was very bright he could walk through any exam any political exam in IIT we all managed to shorten his stay here he had a wonderful work in instrument for the research part he went through that first track option after pulling a lot of wires here and they didn't go out of the institute faster than he can work in his band organising this excellent process and he draw his name I will not disclose the name he got A in everything though he took a heavier load than all others I will everybody talk about everything in this world should get assessed and when I take a process control class I said a controller everything has to be assessed I think in performance an academic institute has also to be assessed to sort of round calculers interview that accountability I will not worry about that pointing finger I don't want to do we have to assess for quality and in fact to claim for students just if I claim for excellence another thing is achievement I can set targets as per mission I may have set a target I want to know where is my and third is identification of avenues for improvement capacity capability capacity versus action am I doing as well as I should do given this in hospitals usually what we do is we have some international ranking report which is published by US Gohavan report someone saw one year there I had the Mumbai's place of 53 and they said 53 we are happy and I always wondered how an institution in this educational institution has no dynamic systems for control theory how they suddenly jump from 3 to 8 is something I don't understand because they have not recited capability how they jump from 3 to 8 is something which bothered me quite a lot so issue this we don't examine the integrity of ranking external ranking what are the metrics to be used for performance assessment what are the robustness of our assessment process what are the implementation mechanism how to project the results of ranking into meaningful performance measures and lastly use assessment results for performance enhancement education program we can use the philosophy I have a total assessment I have a UNESCO report which you can look at research look at three parameters research capacity what is the capacity to do research second is research quality what are the metrics there are all kinds of metrics like the citation they are the third uncomfortable element which is research utility what is the utility of research it's very uncomfortable for all of us to say that one way research is useful many of it is very uncomfortable dimension but you have to research I think as responsible we have to say what is the extent of the research utility these two are quantifiable research product and quality are quantifiable to some extent research capacity research capacity can also be managed but the research utility needs to be looked at even more series it could be a service to industry quality of service and in fact an external ranking may not look at all these they have not said to measure it now looking at another aspect of performance assets lab and infrastructure I went to another event where I was reading youngsters paper and an adaptive enterprise he talked about assets what is the asset of my lab we have intellectual asset we have intellectual pool of people in specific areas above a critical one in IIT itself we have somewhat built up excellent facility there are no full of when he goes all the facilities is dying because otherwise you don't take out so if we have a way of sustaining this intellectual pool of mass it's an intellectual asset so I did a notion of intellectual asset and in the notion of where in all organiser there is an asset and liability liability which I have told will be a lot of people look ask and say for instance there is a liability unemployment of my graduate what do they say do I say mention anything about unemployment of my graduate I should also factor it into my analysis if my students are unemployed my peers to their students it's a liability and moral liability is out of 5 years you are no longer with me moral liability and second is loss of potential talent attention to dropout of failure these are performance metrics they also have to be built into the system performance mechanism can you put a reliable internal performance assessment system which can look at the good understanding of the functional operational features of the system develop an information network IT can help in developing the network and design an assessment framework by incorporating all the features and develop performance etiquette at various granularity levels at granularity level at this top level this is the performance good individuals and do it so I feel that we need we should not look at external they want to look at how well we are doing we know the process of the measurement we should try to assess ours in that whole system perspective we should assess ourselves we should not allow others to assess we are internally allowed to assess ours they can do that it is something like internal model control and process control they have internal model control we can assess ours I think we need to assess ours planning for the last length planning for future we should have a growth plan of employment I look at the planning problem a growth plan of the employment sector not always felt out very clearly for file of student output and student eye contact not always feel with clarity demand estimation of students seldom described with clarity and granularity resources depending upon all this resources requirement to meet this demand what is the capacity explanation needed do I put an IIT in Kerala I come from Kerala, I will say Kerala is my first I am also from Bombay already as an IIT second level is Kerala another IIT in Kerala multi-site capacity explanation a classical over capability enhancement and students on the other side horizon of 2006 we are the past I will say forget about the past I will say forget about the past I think you cannot forget about the past that is the liability we have you know manpower shortfall capacity constraint capability gap student population aspiration that is on one side the other side is the new it has to be realistically assisted and type of planning problem looking at the past and planning planning objective is good what is the planning objective economic or the triple mantra in the usual taking a social cost that let me educate whether they are employed or not is my concern global outreach all these IITs concept is useful for problem problem complex problem is how to tackle and systems can formulate formulating the problem is always interesting treating it a little more then we always talk about inclusive they are working in inclusive inclusive education engineering education driver of economic when I say inclusive it is so of the interest systems approach can holistic view can let variety system is controlled should have greater variety than the system is controlling so our education system requested variety and that kind of an important assessment of performance of all activities development of measures to enhance brand value of those programs which need that kind and internal performance mechanism as a conscience keeper it is a conscience keeper to strike for better performance systems systems of course can help in realizing the goals of an adaptive institute of learning we have to be an adaptive institute of learning so you have to sort of put the systems concept now I am talking about IIT has sheltered me for better learning for a long period sometimes I am confused when they are still working or little time they seem to be holding on for years and chemical engineering for its magnanimity for keeping in its family we talked about asset and liability as a permanent asset or liability faculty and staff of IIT Bombay my students generation of my students they are always very intelligent which are some of the manners he is missing at that time Mr. Ajit Gopal that possesses skill he asked me to talk I will talk if he had persuaded me to sing maybe I don't know how to sing maybe I would have sung ultimately the thoughts of ideas of someone who had dealt with education as a faculty not as an expert who sat from above the bottom of view of someone who has 30 years of education not a top down view of an expert who has sat from the directors or in the secretaries of someone so mind may be a little nape something silly to senility if I am silly I am 60 times of anything I say I will talk from like you say but I say all this is always sincere passion for a very good education system of the world thank you very much