 Do I need to do start broadcast? I thought you did that already. The broadcast is now starting. All attendees are in listen only mode. Hi, good morning. My name is Allison Badger and I'm the cataloging librarian here at the Nebraska Library Commission. And today, this is understanding Mark 21 and today we're going to talk about the introduction and overview that hopefully everyone here has had a chance to read. Can everyone hear me? And let me see what we have here. Let's see. I'm not very familiar with the software so you're going to have to bear with me. No? Okay. If you could just type a message in so you know you can hear me and let's see, attendees. Okay, let me unmute your guys' mics. Okay, maybe that's better. Hello? Hello? Hi. Okay. Can I mute my mic because we're having a lot of things running here. Okay, who is this? Okay, so I've muted you guys again because there was a lot of interference from someone. I'm not sure who that is. If you guys just want to use the chat box and you can ask questions or let me know what's going on. Okay, yeah, they are all muted. And so just as a reminder, this session is being recorded and I will post it so anything you say or type will be preserved for eternity. So let's just get started. Let's just leap right into this. So today I'm going to bring this up. You should all be able to see my monitor and the lovely handout, the introduction and overview of Mark 21. This is actually a meme I found a friend sent it to me a few months ago with, hey girl, I'm not usually the jealous type but who is Mark and I just thought that would be a really great way to introduce Mark. What is Mark and how do we use it? So I'm assuming most of you probably had a chance to do the reading. Are there any questions about anything in particular? Okay, I'm not seeing so far. If there are. Okay, someone? Okay, see I'm getting this all figured out right now. I still have interference. Okay, I'm sorry to hear that. Like I said, oh, I still have music playing. I still have interference. Okay, can you guys hear me now? I'm sorry, I don't know this software very well and I did practice some but not a whole lot. And I apologize for that. Well, I guess I'll just kind of go through the reading a little bit. I know talking to someone earlier today that there are there's some confusion about Mark and RDA and having a lot of questions about RDA and so Mark and RDA as you probably know are two different things. RDA has certainly influenced Mark and there have actually been some changes in Mark as a result of RDA. And as we go through the class, we will definitely touch on some of those changes. To me, Mark is the most basic thing that a librarian, especially anyone who's doing any kind of cataloging, can know. Really, for me, I found once I understood Mark that I could really look at a record and really know what was going on. And in fact, when I'm doing research a lot of times, I don't even look at the OPAC record. I have an example, that's not actually the one I wanted. Something like this, I actually will not look at this record like the pretty. I'll actually go and look at the actual Mark record. And oh good, people are saying they can hear me. I can hear you, but there is still music. Yeah, but have the go to, okay. The go to music is still playing. Okay. Like I said, I don't know enough about this to know how that is. Let me um, go to music is still playing. Okay, someone is saying if you are hearing the music, just to log out and then log back in. And that, yeah. So if you want to try that, and then let me know what's going on, okay, we'll do. Okay. Sorry, this is I know very disorganized and I'm kind of rambling here. So anyway, if you've had a chance to go through the reading, you can definitely see how the Mark record really, how people use that Mark record and how the data gets entered. How that really can affect what your patrons are seeing on the front end. You know, they can, you know, whether, and you can see how important it is to kind of get that Mark record correct. And that's something again, we'll touch on more as we go through the different sessions, the different things that you can do that you know, how that information, well not necessarily how the information shows up, but how what you put in can impact what shows up. So what I'm going to do is go back to my class website and I guess what we'll do is we'll just we'll start by going through some of these resources here unless someone's got questions. Oh wait a minute, I do see a question. Oh okay, when I am adding information to the 260 field, I like to use the two state abbreviations, but I know this isn't the correct way to do it. Does it really matter? So there's two different ways to answer that question. In RDA one of the things, one of the goals of RDA, I'm going to pull up RDA right now, the let's see, the tool kit. And so for those of you who may have used ACR2 and had the big binder, I still have my binder anyway, this lays out all the rules or guidelines as they call them for RDA. And one of the things about RDA was to make hopefully records a little more user friendly and to kind of do away with things like abbreviations. And so according to RDA, and RDA offers you a lot of different options. You can, you're supposed to transcribe what you see on the item. And so if for example Nebraska is spelled out, really you should put Nebraska in. However, that's really optional. I mean if you want to do the two letter abbreviation, that's fine. You know it's not like there's the cataloging, the cataloging police are going to come get you. As I always tell people, you have to do what's right for your library, for your community. And honestly for the most part, whether an abbreviation for a state is spelled out or not, it's really not that important. So I hope that answers your question. It's just one of those things that catalogers really like to obsess about. We're kind of a weird and wacky bunch. If you haven't figured that out already by now. Oh okay, so good. I'm glad I could answer your question. Sorry. So, yeah that's RDA Toolkit and you do have to have a subscription to access this. And I'm glad to see that you're back, Lori. I'm assuming it's better for you. And if you don't, and you don't necessarily need a subscription to RDA Toolkit to if you're just copy cataloging, I shouldn't say just copy cataloging. I do have one. I do go in and check the guidelines a lot if I see something I'm not familiar with or I'm dealing with a format I don't really know a lot about. But I guess what I'll do today, since there don't seem to be a lot of questions about the reading, and so I guess I'm assuming that you guys have all had a chance to do it and understand what Mark is, that basic understanding of what Mark is. There are some great resources out there for helping you if you have questions about Mark, if you want to know more about Mark. As it says in the reading, it is a Library of Congress standard. It's something that they manage and kind of curate. And so right now I've brought up the Mark Standards page that the Library of Congress does manage. And you can see that we have let's do I guess an arrow. Okay, so you can see over here off to the left, like the different formats. There's the Bibliographic, which is what you will use. Authority and then the Mark Code list, like for countries and languages and some of the other stuff we'll get into a little bit later. And there's also if you really want to get into Mark, you can come in and let's see, how do I get rid of that? Go away. So let's just do away with that. And there we go. Okay, so in the general information, you can come in and you can look, there's the frequently asked questions how Mark and RDA play together and all the different changes they've made over the years. All those different updates. And oh, an introductory Mark information up here. And this is not a resource I use a lot personally and here's the Bibliographic. So if you want to go in and learn a lot about how Mark works, like in the 100 field, you can, the 1XX. But like I said, this is not a resource I use a lot. I actually use, let me go back to what I use the most personally is the one that OCLC puts out. But they do. There are bibliographic formats and standards. And this is up while I'm working on records. And I'm constantly in here looking and just verifying things if I'm not sure about the fields or anything like that. Let me go to this. For example, if do we get, okay, yeah, for example, if I'm not sure about a tag number or one of the indicators or the subfield, I will go in and check and make sure that things are right. And I just feel like this is an easier resource to get through and they have a lot of really great examples. For example, if you're really not sure how a name should appear what I like to do is just go through and scroll through until I kind of find something that matches my situation, what I have in hand. And look at this and see how they have it done. And right now I do want to point out that no one expects you to remember all of this. All the names of the fields and the indicators and the subfield and all the technical parts. You feel like at first that you do, but you don't have to. My goal is I always want people to kind of know the lingo, to kind of know the terms a little bit. So when someone mentions like the 100 field, they have a good idea. They know what you're talking about or you know what they're talking about. And you have all these resources out there that you can refer to while you're cataloging, while you're copy cataloging. So a lot of this information here on this page it's more for the computer than it is for catalogers, but it does function as kind of a shorthand. You know, when catalogers get together or when we ask each other questions, we will use, we'll just mention the 264 or the 300 and we're all kind of on the same page and we all know what we're talking about. So it does come in handy then. So let's see. Okay, you guys don't have any questions. You're a really quiet bunch and that's fine. I'm just going to continue kind of rambling on here. Let's see. I know at first Mark can seem, and I've said this, Mark can seem kind of overwhelming at first. How does this all play together? And I think for me what really helped was realizing there are patterns within Mark. And on pages like kind of 10 and 11 really talk about that or 10 talks about that a lot. About for example, a 100. That's essentially kind of the same as a 600 and a 700. It's always going to be a personal name. Or like a 110 and a 710 and a 610. Those are always going to be corporate names. And your physical information, it's always going to go in the 300. And kind of your basic kind of publication information that's always going to go in the 200. And so that brings us down to the fixed fields. And back to this more later on. This is more kind of the fixed fields really can kind of influence what shows up for a patron. Whether it's kind of a text or a map or like a CD. And so this is what it kind of looks like in OCLC on this page. And then you'll see depending on your system, what ILS you use, it really can influence the icons. That's a lot of libraries used for the format. And so if you've got, for example, the wrong type in here, if it's like a CD, well it may not show up as a CD. It may show up as a book over here or a map. And I think for a lot of people that's how they figure out what type, what they want is by looking at this format. And it is, it's a really easy way to know what you're getting. And yeah, oh hey, that's it. That's the end. So let me go back to here. So we've kind of gone through a little bit where you can look if you need to check your mark codes, your mark, the OCLC and the Library of Congress. Let's see, we have commonly used mark tags. And okay, so let me move that over here. And you can see these are just this just shows the fields that you'll probably use a lot that you see a lot and those indicators and what each one means and then the subfields that you will see. And here, one of the things about RDA that RDA did change was that we no longer have the lovely GMD. I know some librarians are really, really attached to the GMD. And I can understand why. It's a quick way of seeing what the item is. But that's been replaced. And we'll, like I said, we'll get into that a little bit more and the next couple of weeks. So again, this just shows you the different, kind of the different fields. And it also gives you a lot of examples. I think when I first started cataloging, I looked a lot at examples. And I still look a lot at examples of how things were done and kind of sorted it out that way. And I don't know if that's how, oh, what is the GMD? Thank you. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm jumping ahead a little bit. But that is a really good question. Essentially, it was a general material designation. And it was just and you'll still see the GMD, the subfield H. You will still see this in older records. OCLC is in the process of going through and deleting. Let's highlight this here. And deleting this from all their records, they will still take records that have the GMD. But it's basically it's kind of your format, your medium and like you might see it, let me let's see, let's go back here. Oh, that moves. Okay, sorry, I'm figuring this out as I go. Let me go into, okay, let's just get rid of that. Okay, there we go. Let's, and I'm back in the OCLC site. Like I said, they have a lot of good examples. Let me see if they've got anything in here with kind of shows you here. Okay, here we go. So you'll see in that main title field that 245, like the title, in this case the green bag, and then next to it, you'll see essentially you'll see the form, that subfield H. And so in this case, it's a microform. If you look at the previous example, it's a sound recording. So it just tells you what the format is. Just a shorthand quick way of saying, oh, okay. And so when you're looking at the actual mark record, it's a really easy way of seeing, oh, okay, this is what this is. And if there's not a GMD, then that meant it was a book. But like I said, it's going away. OCLC is starting to remove it from all its records. But it's okay if you're still using it. I hope that answered your question in kind of a rambly sort of way. Okay. So we'll just move on. I haven't seen a response about whether that answered your question or not. So I guess what we'll do is we'll talk about the assignment that we had for this week. And this week it's kind of a survey just of what you and your library are doing. There we go. Where you get your mark records from? Do you create them? What kind of automated system are you using? Do you edit them? Can you customize? And oh, hey, we have another question here. Okay. Let's see. Okay. Sometimes when I do mark records and my system doesn't already have the records submitted based by the ISBN, what is the best place to get correct records? Often when I look on the Library of Congress or WorldCat I can't find the information I'm needing. Okay. So that is a really, oh, okay. I got another question here, a follow-up. So let me answer, I think it's Rachel. Let me answer Rachel's question first and then I'll go back and finish up with the GMD. Okay. And so Rachel, I think actually I might unmute your microphone because I actually have some questions for you. You can't find the information you're needing. So what information are you needing per se in your record? I just muted myself and now I'm unmuted. Let's see. Oh, it's Rachel. I'm sorry. Okay. Rachel, I've just, yes, you are unmuted. So what kind of information are you looking for in your records, Rachel? Are you just not able to match up the title information or the publication information or the description? Because that can get kind of... Let me see here. Okay. Okay. Because sometimes it can be really difficult to find that record that does match everything you're looking for. And depending on what your library, your policies are for your library, we're bringing in records. Some of the libraries I've worked for, if it's like fiction, it doesn't have to be exact. You can always bring something in, like if it's the copyright or the publication date isn't right or the publisher isn't right. But pretty much everything else is the same. It's the same content. There aren't, I guess, additional things like introductions. You can go ahead and find something that's not necessarily an exact match for a record but is close to what you need. Oh, like where to place and do we? Oh, okay. Like a subfield, okay. Mostly with nonfiction. Nonfiction can be really tricky. And a lot of times what I do is I'll bring in something that's close and go in and make local changes or sometimes things just need to be corrected. We all read Mark a little differently. We all interpret RDA a little differently. So sometimes their interpretation is a little different than my interpretation and so it kind of depends on what your local practices are. And as far as assigning call numbers that's a whole other class. I will give you some advice that a mentor gave me once, which is I will quite often and I do this now is I'll look at if there's something similar like the same subject in the collection. I'll go back and search in the catalog and see if I can't find something similar and put it there because or at least that's a starting point for where to find it in Dewey if you're trying to match numbers in Dewey. And I hope that helps. I had another question. Let me see. I still use the subfield H just didn't know that it had a name. Will my ILS still use it in the future? You know it's really going to depend on what you and your library and your ILS decide what to do. I believe they are still nothing that says you can't use that subfield H and it should still take it. But it is, it's a really good question and it's something I would encourage you to ask about if it's still going to be used as far as I know. Yes, you can still put it in the record and it'll still show up. It's just OCLC is going is doing is not having records that will have that subfield H anymore and I don't create records with the subfield H. Should I use Library of Congress? Oh, I'm sorry. We're back to Rochelle now. Oh, in terms of getting your records or okay. Thank you. And let's see. Yes, and getting them. You can you can get records from Library of Congress. You can get them from if you go into like other library catalogs. You can look at what's there in WorldCat. I've always worked for libraries where we've gotten our records from OCLC and we bring them in in a variety of ways. And when we're searching for those records, typically we do like to do library records that were created by the Library of Congress because they are quote unquote America's library and so they typically the records are of a better quality. And I would say, yeah, those are really good records. I've got a question here from Mary. Oh, it's a comment about there can be the same problem in Library of Congress classification and getting a good number. Yes. Not always sure what to do when you get that item whether it's Dewey or LC or any other system you may be using. And I've used mostly Dewey in my library, my career as a librarian and here at the Library Commission we use LC for some materials. And so I'm always having to look like in our catalog and see, oh, where did we put this? Okay, that looks like it should fit there because and a good way to know is I'll look at the subject headings and if the subject headings are the same or very similar then you're probably getting everything in the right place. Oh, Dewey is easier. Yes, Dewey. I'm a big fan of Dewey and I do love Dewey. This is kind of off track a little bit but I remember when I was a library student in the library and I was doing something like retrieving something and we had just talked about Dewey in one of my classes and I could sit there and see like how Dewey worked, how those divisions how they nested within each other. And for me it was just this very magical moment when I realized I could see how Dewey worked and I've never, I've not had that moment with LC. Maybe I will someday, I don't know. So so anyway back to the assignment and so you with the assignment you can be as brief as you want or as detailed as you want. It's just kind of to give me a better idea of kind of what your experience is with Mark and what you and your library are doing with your Mark records. And so if I see that a lot of people just maybe aren't real sure about editing records or customizing things, maybe those are topics we can touch on a little bit and talk about. And so that's the assignment. That's due next week and next week we will also get into, let's get out of here. Let's we'll start talking about the 200 fields the 2XX fields which is and you can see I've pulled this up on my screen. I'm not going to get too much into this today because I think I've given you a lot of information and I don't want to overwhelm you too much and I know some of you are probably going oh my goodness there's a lot of information, there's a lot to know and how do people remember all of this and and as I said we don't. I don't remember I'm constantly having to look things up. Part of it is I'm horrible with numbers. That's why I went into library science hopefully to avoid working with numbers. Little did I know. So but yeah so the 200s that's kind of what I think of as your bibliographic information, your publisher, your title, the people who are responsible for the creation of your item, kind of the information you might put in like a bibliography is a good way of thinking about that and and so next week I will talk about that was not supposed to be up. I am so sorry that was not supposed to be up okay. Okay sorry about that I did not mean for my email to be up so the next week we'll talk about the assignment that will be due the following week. So so unless there are any more questions or I've hopelessly confused you and I am going to actually let you guys go early this week and thank you so much for being patient with me. Oh yes a bit confused Lori I'm really sorry that you're a bit confused I truly am not laughing at you. Is there anything before we go is there anything I can do to help you it's okay I'm laughing too. I'm not okay. Okay Mary has a question I'm not sure I understand question 6. Okay thank you. I really appreciate it when you guys ask me questions and have comments for me. I don't feel like I'm talking to myself quite so much. So I'm pulling up that assignment again is it going to come up yes open up it's just slow and I'm impatient okay there we go question 6 does your automated system allow editing customization of the web opac display. Okay so that is actually a good question I can understand why people might not quite understand that so let me let me just go to the Nebraska Library Commission pull up our catalog. So this is what our catalog looks like and let me just find something that I know we have and we can look at that record um oh okay I'm going to get a lot of hits here but excuse me okay so oh I got another okay if I watch next week's class as a recording well yes yes um we do ask that you you do six of the online six of the sessions at least six of them live to get the full credit and have those credits count towards your cataloging certificate and like I said you know my hope for these these sessions are to be kind of question and answer sessions not so much me regurgitating material that you've read I know your time is very valuable and so I really I really want you guys to get as much as you can out of this but if it if we end up going back to where I do PowerPoints and I can definitely go through the material again for you guys that's totally okay but yes Arlene it's okay if you do watch the recording it probably will be a lot like this one very rambly and jumbled but if you have questions you can always email me and I'm always I'm always happy to answer your guys's questions anyway back to the question about number six can our our systems kind of I guess can we customize our settings and what appears so this is the Nebraska library commission catalog and we use Mandarin which is kind of and I'm new and very new as you have gathered and I've said so I don't know how many what are what quite all our options are for what can be displayed but let's click on let's click on this potato study and so you can see this is what we all see on the front end and in terms of what is customizable you know what fields do you want to show up here you can see we have a limited number of fields that show up we have notes your subject headings the description the title publication info and in some systems you can do a lot more you can have a lot more show up let's see let's do actually we're going to go look at Lincoln City libraries and we'll be looking at a different record it won't be the same record but let's go in and library catalog and so they are a Cersei Dynex library and you can see that they definitely have a lot more options just in their initial interface here and let's just go click on this Danielle steel book find in my library and we can see the record and so I have a question over here can any library have access yes you got anyone can access our website go to the Nebraska library commission and then click on NLC catalog up here and you can see what our records look like you can see if we click here let me see and so within your systems you have the ability to decide what you want to show up in that mark record and you can see here that Lincoln City has a lot more that shows up they've got a full summary they've got and a lot of it depends on what is in the record to begin with but they've got some subject heading some genre headings they show the ISBN and of course that that record we looked at in Mandarin doesn't have that I would not have an ISBN let's see again we're going to get a billion in one hits but let me see see here let's see okay this looks kind of governmenty oh good I'm glad that okay Lori I'm glad that we're able to kind of undo some of your confusion or clear clarify some of that a little bit okay so here's something again in this basic record you know you can decide what shows up here depending on what system you have and okay so again this is just a very basic record it pretty much is just this is probably what is more or less in the mark record okay yeah and so I hope this answers the question I think that was Mary that had oh okay if I'm understanding correctly our ILS can be customized but not by me as the local cataloger is that the sort of is that the sort of response you're seeking you know Mary that it's a very open-ended question and if that is the type of if that's really the situation that your vendor can customize things maybe according to your specifications this is just kind of an information seeking tool it's what is going on in your library do you can you customize or do you have to work with your vendor to customize and at some of the libraries I've worked with in terms of customization I'm from Montana originally and worked for several state agencies and we were part of a consortium called the Montana shared catalog and we were all Cersei Dynex libraries and on kind of our record pages here we had we kind of had to go with what the consortium decided as a whole in terms of customization and we might have a wish list of what we wanted to see and our system admins our system administrators in the consortium would then work with Cersei Dynex to either decide if that was going if that could was workable or did we have to give up something and so okay so Mary I think my confusion was that I've not known a library that could do its own customization without going through the ILS vendor I think you can I'm not a systems librarian I'm like to say I'm a good old fashioned cataloger and so I'm kind of guessing here a little bit but I can certainly do a little bit of research I think my understanding is libraries can do a certain amount of customization that it kind of depends on where information is being pulled from in the mark record for example we talked about when I was talking about the GMD earlier and these icons these format icons that show up you know that can be pulled from a variety of sources it can be pulled from within the fixed field and so that's it can be pulled so it just depends on where information is getting pulled from I always encourage people you know ask questions of your vendor you know what if there are things you want changed or you'd like to see changed I know one thing one thing we did have some influence over back in Montana and the shared catalog was kind of the facets over here and what did we want facets to show up and what facets did we want to show up and we actually had to do some behind the scene work when we switched over to Enterprise in our mark records because we were going to have like an endless amount of facets like material types show up and you know so we had to do a little bit of work there I'm really confused participants on this question I don't know you may be you may be the only oh no okay so no you're not and it is it is a tricky question and like I said this isn't necessarily something I know a lot about how to customize like I said I think it's kind of a partnership between the library and the vendor and it's understanding what you can do and if there are things you would like to do can you know talking to your vendor so I don't know if that answers your question or not or if I've just really made things worse it helps okay okay and I will look into that for you guys because that is a really good question about how much customization you can do let's see I think many libraries now utilize cataloging programs that already create those records let's go back oh did I just lose that question okay I'm sorry I just accidentally deleted that question so if you could retype that question I would really appreciate it oh okay okay I'm glad that I was able to clear that up and if you're not sure that's fine you know that that's fine like I said I'm not necessarily sure what I can do here at the library commission I'm just I'm the cataloger and I get the information in there I do I do like to go in a lot of times if I'm not sure how something's going to look on the screen I do like to go in and actually look at it upload the record and look at it because I can do some editing I can edit within Mandarin on the back end and if I think it's if I'm confused by it then I know a patron is going to be confused by it okay I have worked with our vendor to customize but this is helping me to think of more changes I could make good I'm really glad to hear that that is from Diane okay and I hope you guys don't mind that I'm reading your names as these questions come about and okay okay I think many libraries now you know this is the person who I accidentally erased thank you so much I think many libraries are now utilizing cataloging programs that create those records if it is in the consortium so many libraries have a pre yeah I think it was I think that's from okay I wonder okay oh we have another one or maybe that was was that okay anyway it doesn't really matter um yeah um a lot of people work with vendor records depending on how you order your materials and who you're working with and you can get very basic records from the vendors and then go in and if you wish to enhance them add things that like table of contents or summaries or more if you want to go in and do some local practices things like if you want to do subject headings like for specific like if you get a lot of Nebraska stuff and you want to put something in like Nebraska author yeah you can go in and definitely utilize that so thank you how many participants are there today there are 18 out of 20 I did have two people who told me they were not going to be here today and um I capped the cat class at 20 but I think you guys know that and it filled up really quickly so we've got about nine minutes left um I'm just going to kind of summarize what we've talked about we I've showed you a couple of the different resources for using mark OCLC and Library of Congress the help guides they have we've talked about the assignment assignment one kind of the survey and um question six in particular what you can do to manipulate your opac display and show you some examples we've I've also answered some questions about the 260 which is the publishing field and the subfield H and the 245 or the GMD and um I've also probably hopelessly confused people hopefully not too much if you have questions afterwards feel free to email me and I'll do the best I can to kind of unconfuse you and I am going to go and do a little bit of research on vendor displays and customization and what libraries can do and maybe we can get some more answers and next week we're going to be talking about the 200 fields and um I will also talk about the assignment that we'll have and okay that was a good let's see what we have here that was a good beginning thanks well thank you very much um yes so unless there are any more questions or comments um I'm going to let you guys go early today well I guess I don't have to let you kind of come and go as you want and you're welcome I feel better about the good I'm glad I'm really glad and guys there is there you know don't stress too much about this and I know that's really easy for me to say but I remember when I was first learning mark when I went to library school I never really worked in the library I never cataloged and decided hey I want to be a cataloger because these look like really cool jobs I know I'm crazy and so I had no understanding of mark or AACR2 or RDA and it was very overwhelming it was very confusing and um so I remember feeling that way and it's okay it really is is there any a way we can see the other questions and comment you know I don't know I will certainly look into it I think they show up on the recording um oh this is the best explanation of mark that I have ever seen okay Mary um your check is in the mail uh you know just yeah just just bear with me um and and you know ask ask questions and in putting these together every time I've done a training session I've always learned something new about mark or RDA and and so I I learned too um because I have either didn't learn it to begin with didn't think to ask a question or I just was too embarrassed to ask and or just kind of always accepted the practice and so yeah so I will post everything hopefully by tomorrow I do basically as soon as this is over with I'm leaving to go to Grand Island for the pioneer consortium meeting um the library commission we just kind of go as consultants if they have cataloging questions or what not and um since I'm new they want to introduce me and so I will definitely get it up there by tomorrow tomorrow afternoon at the latest and um if the questions are not um a parent like if you can't see them what I will do is I'll go through and transcribe the questions and I will get that posted then to our little class website so you can at least see and they'll be they'll be anonymous I know as in the chat I've said who asked them but I'll make them anonymous so um okay oh I'll be on the phone with you this afternoon looking forward to your intro okay oh okay that's one of the other Alice's okay well um on that note um I am gonna stop recording and yes for scott's bluff I'm part you up co yeah co-hot and that's a system I don't know anything about so Allison I may have a lot of questions for you because I don't know anything about that system um and like I said I'm kind of an old fashioned cataloger I don't necessarily mess around with the system so anyway thank you so much for bearing with me as I struggle to get things posted and make sure the links are that they work and that everyone has the right web address and as we have figured out the software so looking forward to seeing you guys talking to you guys next week no oh okay sorry I'm rambling I have a very bad habit of doing that but um I am looking forward to talking to you guys next week and feel free you know between then and now if you've got questions to email me and um let me know and um yeah next week the 200 fields the 2xx and we'll talk about that assignment and I'll I'll go over or if you guys are interested I can go over the results of this week's kind of um questionnaire so I am now stopping the recording