 In fact, we realized last night that the finale of that was happening and so started to catch up We're done. We are not yet caught up. Yeah, I'm excited. We made a little plans. Very excited feel like Americans is one of those Underloved shows. Yeah, I Do not watch it you should get on it. I know I know It's It's one of those Like it really was the rightful kind of inheritor of the Breaking Bad mantle for like suspense show. Yeah, I agree well, I Have no excuse not to because I think I think it's going to end better than Breaking Bad. I Like where it's going. I'm Is it wait so is this the final season? Yeah episode It's already air We're done. Yeah, you've got a whole complete Americans. Oh, man. My weekend is set Yeah, I mean, I I've kind of gotten to the point where I'm like Jersey Shore reunion. Okay, I guess I'll watch that I got nothing else Americans it is I've heard that was good the Jersey Shore reunion if you good good is relative sure But isn't the eye of the with the universe of thinking Jersey Shore is good at all It's You know, there's no denying that the Jersey Shore was good. Like oh, yeah, I watched it There is in fact denying It's been a while and at this point It's sort of like you get the sense that a lot of you know kids who got Notarity and fame for you know, whatever reason Have now five years later kind of become Confused by it. Well said it's a get back together in a house and do another season. I think it really was For each genre this very Jerry Springer like it, you know, you know, no No, the entire show is gonna be drink-throwing and Drunken fights like that's gonna be the entire show where I think even to that point Prior there was like, oh, no, let's do an episode about somebody's art project or something Yeah, Jersey Shore was like we're not doing any of that. We're like this entire genre went like it all went to like the real house wives and Did it all for the snooki? I Did read a great oral history of the Jersey Shore Just yeah, that whole like first three seasons and it was Fascinating well, you know what else is fascinating tech news We're gonna replace a cornea today Live on air Roger gets a new eye That's fascinating All that more today All right, here we go Hello all you beautiful people the Daily Tech News show is brought to you by you You can find out more that Daily Tech news show calm and we thank you for your support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday May 31st 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and Celebrating the last day of May from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane from the shores of Lake Merritt. I'm Justin Robert Yeah, I like the sound of that Lake Merritt producer Roger Chang has a working internet connection in his back with us today Roger Hey, it is working and I'm very grateful. I'm sure yeah, if only you knew why it was out for five and a half hours I you know, they say they were working diligently to restore service But they didn't explain what they're trying to fix. Yeah, why it needed restoring in the first place. Who knows? We are gonna go over Mary Meekers report some of the highlights that we have found in there But let's start with a few tech things you should know Xiaomi announced the Mi 8 flagship phone with a 6.2 1 oh lead screen a notch and a 20 megapixel selfie camera Xiaomi claims It's the first phone to use dual frequency GPS for greater accuracy There's another addiction called the Explorer edition has 3d facial recognition and a pressure sensitive fingerprint sensor in the screen the Mi 8 is available June 5th for to $2,699 one that's about 421 US dollars the Explorer edition is $577 no date on that one yet. And then the budget SE is $281 coming June 8th. None of them are without bezel Mmm sources tell Bloomberg that Google will update the pixel phone in October the new pixel XL We'll supposedly have a near edge-to-edge screen with a thicker bezel at the bottom of the phone and a notch at the top We're not in all of them today However, the other bezel and notch Wars news a Lenovo will announce that it's Z5 phone June fit Or it's will announce it Z5 phone June 5th, which is expected to have no bezel and no notch Breaking up kaka combo breaker He goes crazy all-screen phone and the pop-up camera we saw at CES is expected to be announced a week later Big gun is bezel Wars have but he who is without bezel Cast the first announcement got the first notch Cass and get rid of the first notch. Hey, thanks to Reid who sent this one to us a German regional court ruled It would not issue an injunction against a German domain name registrar called e-peg It's actually owned by two cows e-peg Informed to ICANN earlier this week that it would stop collecting information from registrants as it believes that violates Europe's GDPR in A statement ICANN's general counsel and secretary said ICANN is continuing to discuss with the European Commission and the 29 working group about whether ICANN can continue to require data collection for domain name registrations Everybody's confused All right guys prepare to have your minds blown researchers at Newcastle University have 3d printed a Biocompatible Corneal framework that keeps stem cells from a cornea alive while producing a material Stiff enough to hold its shape while being squeezed out of a nozzle of a 3d printer So for context 10 million people worldwide require corneal surgery to prevent blindness and a variety of diseases The researchers corneas which are provided by donors take about 10 minutes to print And then the gel can keep stem cells alive for multiple days Meaning they can print multiple times from one batch from one cornea Mmm. Whoa Yeah, whoa Printing out those corneal frameworks. Yeah, like a boss. All right. Let's talk a little more about app problems and telegram Sure messaging app telegram CEO Pavel Durav said that ever since Russian authorities ruled that the app was Illegal in Russia the company has been unable to release an update to the app store in any region since March Durav tweeted unfortunately some telegram features such as stickers don't work correctly under iOS 11.4 That was just released even though we fixed that issue weeks ago Russia asked Apple to ban telegram after the apps developers refused to hand over encryption keys to the Russian government Telegram says it has also been unable to release a GDPR compliance update GDPR raises its ugly head again You know the conspiracy theory here is that Apple is under pressure from Russia and is blocking telegram from updates worldwide I don't think that's the case But I I have not been able to put my finger on what I think is happening with Apple here because telegram for Android Outside of Russia is fine I don't understand and and this is the problem with the Apple app store when they block something It's very difficult to find out why sometimes. Yeah, there was the the valve app That steam said apples, you know, there was some business, you know discrepancy, whatever that Apple had come forth Finally purchase thing where they thought it didn't count as an in-app purchase because it was from the game company not steam But then Apple said now it still matters. We still want our cut But that was it, you know, that was a big story as well and Apple eventually was like, okay Here's a little bit more context Apple has not commented at least not publicly about this So we don't know for sure that there's not something else going on within telegrams code that is a violation of anything but it would seem odd on the surface if The Russian government said okay telegrams out of here that it would be You know banned worldwide, but again, it's it's not hard for Apple to block things in a particular country They've done it before so it's not that The USB implementers forum announced a finalized USB human interface device standard for Braille Displays the aim is to make it easier to use Braille displays across different operating systems and devices without needing unique software and drivers in other words is just like keyboards and mice and Displays if it's USB you should be able to plug any Braille display into any device windows Mac Linux, whatever and it should work I love this. Yeah, I feel like we have you know And you know, hopefully the trend continues. We've talked a lot about accessibility options that a lot of companies have put Investments into and you know created new products out of and I know some of that is is you know, perhaps a you know A good will measure but there are you know, it's a huge community of people that are underserved and anything I hear about this just gives me warm puzzies a lot of times this accessibility standards lag behind So it's nice to see one finally making it through the standardization process to finalization Google released a new app called Neighborly neighborly spilled the way Tom Merritt would like it's a QA social app in India aimed at building neighborhood Communities within cities the next billion team That's at Google behind building emerging market apps have made lots of other apps in the past data friendly versions of YouTube The Tes mobile app, which is a payment system a food delivery service and national Wi-Fi network initiative Neighborly now says the idea is to support the changes in the dynamic of local communities in India Which there are many and make it harder and make it easier to share information due to trends like urban migration That have disrupted the way that things have have worked in the past Yeah, I'm gonna be the same as next door That was my first thought too, it's like it's just gonna turn into a whole lot of bickering well Q&A Right, and that's always the trick is to stop the bad behavior Who's dog that is I Think I would love to have anybody who's you know in the subcontinent to give us some feedback if you know they You know check it out So, you know, what is what is the particular niche that this fills because we know I know from reading that that Community management and community spirit is something that Prime Minister Modi has been trying to solve and and lots of people have been discussing It's a it's a big issue there So Google weighing into this could be seen as like oh, this is a great thing give us a tool or could be seen as Yeah Great PR move but not something that seems like it's gonna actually solve the problem Who knows well I mean India is one of the countries where we've seen a lot of mobile growth that just leapfrogged desktop growth and It is there is a different way of Using the internet that those who have access have at the same time Questions and answers are what the internet is for so if you can pack that into a specific app that people like Makes a lot of sense and Google certainly wants to build that market share in India just like everybody else in that space Canon stopped making new film cameras to focus solely on digital cameras eight years ago And now the company says it is ending sales of the last film SLR Ios one V Canon said it will continue to repair the camera until 2025 lenses for the camera are also still compatible with modern digital cameras and Vice versa, but no more film Yeah, they stopped making the eos one V years ago, but they had they kept selling them out of stock They had that's and so this is really just like we're running out. We have any more left There there isn't gonna be another one y'all are buying the last one. So that's it Hey end of an era story, right? Yeah, I mean, there are also other there are other companies making film cameras So it's not like it but but but Canon Real legacy brand and when I read the story this morning. I was like, oh man But then I thought but would I want to buy a film? Camera, I mean, you know besides the nostalgia part of it I think that the interest has waned enough that Canon's like we're done They're shutting it down because I kind of feel like this is The new legacy tech thing that's going to be hot everybody. I know that makes money It's the new vinyl gets into photography by buy a camera now buy one of them now and then hoard the film Gold in about five to eight years I'm saying this is the vinyl This is the vinyl of photography and I will guarantee you that somebody well You will see some Kickstarter in the next two years that is selling a film camera that Hopes to replicate and go forward with this kind of stuff I'm I'm almost surprised that we have not seen this legacy tech trend take off already This is the Nate. This is what happens, right? The vinyl factory that closes, right? Oh, this record label is no longer issuing on vital that that happened late 90s early 2000s, right? So now the table is set. We had pinhole camera resurgent like eight years ago people like super in a pinhole cameras and It's it's just gonna take a while before the people go to tin type I mean don't ever stopped making pinhole cameras But there was a thing it was a thing and like tin type is kind of a thing right now even the look of tin type is wow It just needs to go up eventually you'll get to the 70s Where you have coda chrome and all the all the fun stuff and you know come back around I just hope i'm still alive to do the story that apple stopped making new iPhones Because everyone's focusing on the new Apple Can you hear me? All right, uh google launched its files go app in tencent xiaomi huawei and bydu's app stores in china That's right google submitting an app to non android android stores in china Files go helps users stay within storage limits suggests files to delete it can also share files locally without using the internet They made it for india, but it's been a hit worldwide even in the u.s It's not the first app that google has launched in china google translate launched in china earlier this year a r core launched in china earlier this week But it is seem to be indicative of google's tentative steps back into china remember search is banned there google's version of android is banned there because google doesn't want to comply with certain chinese requirements And chinese the country china is the country with the most app downloads and highest app revenue per year It is the largest single market for smartphones as well And google recently we talked about it on dts. Open an ai lab in beijing So we are seeing the slow motion return of google to china Which we're going to talk about mary meekers report We're not going to talk about the china portion particularly, but she identified china as the new internet hub 11 Of the top 20 internet companies now i'm sorry nine of the top 20 internet companies are now from china 20 years ago that was two so they they are on the rise well and and google's flirtation and A breakup with china is Fascinating i think that it was the in the plex book that talked about not only were there kind of strong headed of Disagreements between the leadership of google and china, but also there was a culture clash as china Or as google tried to move into the country There was just business culture that they were not used to dealing with that Became a a larger problem not only for complying with government regulation, but also just acquiring talent I would assume that like anything else wherever your accuracy is involved the longer you spend The more things tend to wind up working out for you as long as you are you're just learning the way that you play the game And and usage of video is skyrocketing meeker talked about that The top short form video creators in the world are in china Chinese companies dominate the chinese market They don't necessarily work outside of china and vice versa so It's anybody's guess how that's going to go although alibaba And and again i'm pulling this from the meeker report alibaba is Skyrocketing its international sales as it tentatively moves outside of its domestic market So we could be seeing a situation where chinese companies dominate china and then start trying to Compete on the world stage probably not in us in europe But in these other arenas that are sort of open for anybody to win right now like india east africa south africa latin america, etc absolutely Well, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot com Let's talk about the rest of mary meeker's report We're going to talk about internet usage a little bit and then move into the part about e-commerce. There's a lot more We kind of gave you the summary yesterday, but these are the parts we found most interesting mary meeker's internet trends report if you don't know Over the decades have proved to be the definitive statement on where we are I use it as sort of a compass bearing to say I think things are headed in this direction What does meeker say does she agree if she doesn't agree? Why what's her stats? They're very good. They're very in-depth It's 249 slides long And one of the major passages in this year's was about internet usage usage has passed Half the world's population at 3.6 billion of the internet usage of the internet The growth is slowing right as penetration hits 50 percent. I think it's at 49 percent, but roughly 50 percent You start to slow down you're starting to see the internet mature but usage of the internet is growing and It's causing what I call the devil's triangle meeker was very a little nicer about this Of companies making low price services on the backs of user data Users increasing their usage forget what people say on twitter and reddit and the message boards The usage is skyrocketing because people see value in this stuff And regulators are responding to the things on twitter and reddit and the message boards By trying to ensure that data is not used improperly The more data they collect the higher the customer satisfaction But the more risk they run of having the regulators get upset at them amazon is the poster child of this They have very high customer satisfaction and very high customer data collection Although they run the risk of regulators less not not zero but less because they don't collect it on the wider internet They collect it mostly on their own site 70 percent of users are willing to share data if the benefit is clear According to meeker and then pew had a study today Showing that 45 percent of teens say they are online constantly up from 24 percent three years ago 11 percent say they are on less than several times a day. That's down from 20 percent three years ago So usage is growing overall, but pew pointing out that it's really growing in the teen market 95 percent of teens have access to a smartphone and and on headlines Sarah mentioned that 85 percent Use it to watch youtube 72 percent use instagram 69 snapchat 51 face book 32 twitter The 51 face book number also is down. I believe the last uh comparison that I read from this morning was in 2015 That was in the 70s. So the trend of of kids or teens rather using facebook is definitely declining I was surprised that snapchat's number was as high as it was. I kind of I don't know. I thought that was a little bit more of a passing fad I was surprised that reddit was as low as it was kind of implies that reddit is for old people Well, it's for the high brows among us tom. It's for the old. So is twitter. We'll be making spongebob memes to the grave Now, uh, what about how they're using this sarah? uh, well, so there is An interesting stats about smartphone unit shipment growth We talked about the fact that Lots more people than ever in the entire world are online where you know, we're over halfway now, but New smartphone unit shipment growth has completely stalled. In fact, it's up 0 percent since beaker's last study So we're we're hitting a saturation point now We when you break down hours spent with digital media, you know devices Desktop mobile all of that stuff adult users are up from 5.6. These are hours per day to 5.9 Now if you break down those numbers 3.3 are mobile 2.1 are desktop and 0.6 are other Tom do you have an idea of what other would be other is uh, internet of things. It's your roku box It's your amazon echo in your google home Interesting that you mentioned that because amazon echo install base Wow, did it really see a jump 22 million from q3 of 2017 up to 30 million in q4 of 2017 So that's a 10 million rise in a single month skills, which of course are you know, what developers add to the amazon uh, uh database 20 k from 2017 up to 30 k in 2018 So again, skills are on the rise Those smart speakers are getting smarter and we also mentioned last week Canalists reported that smart speakers are the fastest growing consumer tech segment But that the google home beat the amazon echo in shipments for the first time ever in the first quarter of 2018 Now we had some folks Respond to us. In fact, we read one of the emails saying well, you know shipments versus sales Google might you know be fudging their numbers a little bit, but just goes to show you overall Very high trend Yeah, I think that non mobile Sector is going to skyrocket because we see people buying these devices We see people using more of these devices I think mixed reality headsets may start to to get some uptake And so this is what I like to do with meekers report is look at it and go Where is it pointing to and 0.6 hours per day other that number is going to be bigger Next time Barry meeker does this report I know I absolutely Obviously these the the voice only internet is not only here I think that we are going to see it expand and and to me the The platform now where you could see something mobile That was you know just maybe an earpiece or or to build in more functionality in stuff like you know air pods or competing products Where you can access all this information that you put into your in-home device. I I totally agree A couple other things that she talked about e-commerce She noted that it's evolving from buying to subscribing Because retailers are starting to say we value the lifetime customer value more than just Acquisition acquisition cost is getting higher. It's harder to get somebody to use your product But once you get them you want to keep them And that's why we're seeing stitch fix netflix all these different subscription methods on the rise because They make it convenient. It takes takes the pressure off you like I don't have to have a choice I get these great things and I get a curated choice. I get to decide in my stitch fix box Which skirt i'm going to keep which purse i'm going to keep and I send the rest back I get to decide what I want to watch out of the recommendations But I don't have to pick it out of a blind box I don't know if podcast listeners are going to be very knowledgeable about this rising trend in subscription services. No, yeah I already can hear the people groaning like I want fewer subscriptions. This is a problem well, and and I think um, you know at least A trend that I've seen is Folks that use amazon prime obviously had very very popular subscription service price went up at least for those of us in the US uh recently But the perks also continue to rise so a company's saying all right We want to continue to make more money off of this growing user base But make sure that they're still Feeling like they've got this value, you know in these access to sales It's a really successful way to do business. I mean That's I don't hear a lot of people complaining. Yeah, a couple other things I really want to at least throw out here even if we don't have time to discuss them a lot today Maybe we'll get some good emails spark some good emails I found this fascinating relative household spend is changing our percentage spent on shelter pensions and insurance and health care is rising the percentage of what we spend Is going up we're spending more of what we spend on shelter insurance and health care While the percentage spent on food entertainment and clothing is falling Like it doesn't mean we're spending less on those things it means it's as a percentage of what we spend That's becoming a smaller percentage And meeker says part of that is because of the efficiency of delivering Clothing and entertainment and even food online Causes price pressures to keep the price down. She also talks about how Tech adoption and disruption is happening faster, but it doesn't necessarily mean doom and gloom The dishwasher took 80 years to reach 25 adoption The internet and the mobile phone took less than 10 years to reach 25 adoption But if you look back Jobs are usually replaced not lost so aircraft jobs replaced locomotive jobs Service jobs replaced agricultural jobs and she feels like maybe this could be the exception this time around But history indicates it probably won't be Freelance work is getting easier to find unemployment has cycled with stability since the 1930s It hasn't spiked while GDP has been rising. So there's some positive news in there as well But thank goodness for that. Thank you, Mary meeker And thank you all who participate in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com We think you're eternally young at the subreddit And of course if you're in the 51 of the teens you can join us at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show We got a voicemail in the mailbag, huh? We did we get mailbag is is its voice It's a text if you want to send us a photo. That's all good But today big jim called in about our e-waste conversation from yesterday's show Hey d10s crew. It is big jim live on the road heading northbound on i-75 after a hard day of work I just wanted to go in real quick with a two cent opinion on e-waste now yesterday china said that they are not going to accept e-waste and Thailand has said that they are going to try and stop illegal smuggling of e-waste My thought is what can I compare that to it needs to be recycled. It's a volatile substance What can you do and the first thought that went through my head is ship breaking the ship breaking is basically where you take an ocean vessel You beach it which means you ram it onto the shore and then you break it down There's a lot of biochemicals and there's a lot of recycling that has to go on with regard to that And the three largest countries that are primarily doing ship breaking now are india bangladesh and pakistan So I see an increase in those countries of possibly doing this e-waste as it probably is going to become quite a big market But that's just my two cents That can trade in dtns. I'm big jim That is real. I had no I this is why I didn't know that Calls in right ship breaking is something I was just not aware happened But it does sound like a perfect analog for e-waste and now real dumb question But is it because the ship is sort of like the canon digital camera? And it's time for the ship to go out to pasture and whatever's on it at that point just gets broken down with it Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I assume it's like when your car reaches the end of its life And it's just not worth fixing anymore their ships gotta go somewhere There's no wrecking yard for ships in the way that we have I think that's what big jim is describing And you know, it's they're very expensive to break down. So you go where labor's the cheapest Totally totally Well, thanks big jim always nice to get a voicemail and hear some of your voices and also thanks to justin robert young for being with us today And pretty much every thursday and sometimes monday as well. What's been going on since you were here last Well, I think one of the things that went on with justin robert young is his internet died Oh that okay, so let's make up a story. Yeah, I well for one thing Uh, he's got a live night attack coming up in los angeles that i'm going to be a part of So folks, uh get get uh involved now go to uh, justin robert young go to night attack dot tv I will be there in san amonica sunday june 10th for night attack la at eight p.m That's uh night attack dot tv, uh if you want to go and and watch that show and find out more about I will just say for the record that when justin told us about this the first time And I think it was in one of our post shows last week. He was like roger and sarah. You're invited And now I'm like, oh tom is actually on the show cool. All right, I'll be there. 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You might be the end times Yeah, I might be I mean I think it is It was weird too because it wasn't my router my router showed everything being fine But oh, so it's definitely the isp then at my modem. There was no link light to the the uh, the telco or colo and What should I get for my new router now that uh The airport is well, what is it like? What do you mean? Oh, I thought you meant as a gift My router's birthday is coming up and I want to give us a gift for my new router. I don't want it to go out on me Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. I just I don't know. I just I always get something that I can run DDW Or open work on because I tend to prefer third party firmware on my router Oh That's a good tip. Just I find it to be more secure like I don't run into a host of Issue or backdoor issues With it With them and they run pretty well and like they're super solid like I've never had to Well, technically I have them reboot on a monthly basis, but I physically have never had to touch the router like in a year Uh, yeah, I mean other than to plug stuff into it. Yeah, exactly That's a plus unless you want to go with one of the mesh things like ero Oh, those are good if you have a big place. Yeah, no, I have I have eros They're pretty great when you have a brick building where Wi-Fi signals get knocked down all the time and you don't even have that big of a place and you still benefit from it No, it's just it's uh Just like we in our kitchen. We couldn't get our living rooms internet and Sometimes it's a pain in the butt when you're like doing internet of things stuff Here in the apartment like in in the studio. It would just take long or be spotty or would drop the Uh signal and so we wound up having two Networks for a while like one for the kitchen and one for the living room and I think it was like Christmas day I was like, yeah, let's grow it Christmas present of myself We're just buying one of these out-of-the-box mesh networks and it's uh pretty good In fact, it's telling me right now that uh, I'm back live. So I'll join you in a second. Oh, okay. We'll see you in a moment So, yeah, either like I don't know is it still links us for the ddwrt? Is that usually the best? I know there's a Links is to use it in a lot of links. There's like a bunch of them. Um Typically, I just go to the site and see what they yeah Either something like that or or a mesh. I like ero. They they work great, but I haven't tried all of them So, you know, maybe just was super easy to set up and I will say this Their app is really cool. Yeah, I like their app too, but apparently the other ones all have your Well, not with the stock firmware. There's a lot of holes and they cure No, no, we're talking about mesh. We're talking about the different mesh routers. They all yeah, uh, including I think I at least if the commercials are to be believed some of the new Like Comcast routers and stuff have a lot of this Function out of Comcast has has we talked about it on dTNS while I was gone Comcast is is putting out their own version of this. Yeah partnership with a company exactly Rogers get rich slow scheme Let me get rich slow Wait, I don't get that one. Yeah, I don't get that Uh Yeah, I don't I don't know what that refers to. It's kind of funny if I knew what it was referring to Oh get rich slow We're all tech addicts notch wars. The new vinyl is pretty good. Oh, that was To buy the canon film camera. Oh because you can buy it now and wait. Yeah, okay Maybe too clever. Yeah Although if you do get the film make sure you stick in the dark cool place like a fridge or something break that ship Um, I don't know. I like film is the new vinyl film is the new vinyl Also filled with toxic chemicals that you have to flatten out Speaking of chemicals, I'm gonna eat a cheeseburger today Nice Doesn't have to be chemicals in a cheeseburger. Well, this particular one will be Well Synthetic chemicals, please Where were you going all natural items have some kind of chemicals chemicals can be natural It's the it's the local joint down the street from me in venice. Uh, that has delicious Uh, the hamburgers and cheeseburgers. Um, but I've got a whole thing going on cooked on a grill of vinyl Well, it kind of looks like I mean, it's you know, it's one of those flat like Is it the circular grill kind of thing? No, it's just a big old pan Big old so there's no like drip or anything like cast iron. Well, no Not cast iron. It's more just it's a little more vintage than that. Yeah, they're old school But I've got the whole thing down because they say cheddar or swiss and I'm like both Obviously They don't do like the they don't do the more esoteric cheeses like jack or Blue cheese, it's cheddar or swiss and you get fritos on the sides. No fries Cash only get out of here Actually, you know what onion rings if they could make onion rings just as a fault, so fries would be happy I say, yeah, I never won fries. I don't really want fritos either. But I actually love fritos. They're the perfect snack food The holy trinity of corn salt and oil That's the thing is like I agree with you like fritos as a snack, you know when you're like, I need a little something delicious But after a very large cheeseburger with extra cheese, I'm like fritos Kind of don't need that. It's like well, it's like eating a frito pie in like a deconstructed frito pie What's a frito pie a frito pie is where you take I Tom obviously looks Someone tell me What is a frito pie? How many times you've been to austin and you've not had a frito pie yet? Uh No, you've someone is the only thing I ever eat in austin is taco I take partial responsibility for this imagine if you took a bag like a small serving size of uh frito Chips, right you open the bag and you pour hot chili And other onions cheese into it with the with the fritos and you eat it out of the bag Wait a minute. Hold on sarah. You go to austin. You don't eat barbeque Yeah, I do I do Barbecue sure fine. Um, but I I'm really Partial to the Tex-Mex taco style that you get in austin But no wait a second. So it's not a pie. It's a bunch of garbage and a frito bag with the frito It's not a bag It can be a bag, but that's not really no think of it like a like a french fry carton Okay, filled with fritos and then chili poured over it and cheese So my next question was going to be like, how do you eat this? But you eat messy fries all the time. So you eat it with your hands. You eat it with a fork So you how you eat it? You know what? I don't know guys Because he He uh, he had a condescending view on that particular food item who did Anthony Bourdain, he did an episode of was it no reservation one of those shows sure I don't care what it likes that or not. It's I do Now I have no opinion. I've never had it. I'm just saying I didn't know what that was Yeah, tom steaks his life on a on a local life That over-paralyzed this now I did not I did not challenge Anthony Bourdain to Frito death Frito pie live or death You serve the freedom by I must pay I demand satisfaction We should do a patreon level and if we could get Anthony Bourdain where you guys swap Yeah, talk about food and travel and he talks about tech in his unique style Where he just integrates a lot of his past history of is this your secret way of saying that you'd prefer if Anthony Bourdain did No, I think it would be a very unique and interesting uh experiment Hey, if Anthony Bourdain wants to be on our show, we'll extend it to six days a week. Sure Uh, I love that guy. I love those shows. Yeah, I do. I have much respect for him. He's fantastic He's a fantastic host. He's hilarious. I'm sure he's difficult to work with But that's how all all geniuses are doesn't it? There was one I don't remember if it was no reservations or the previous show which was uh No reservations was the travel channel one. There's I don't remember. I never remember the cnn one was um A parts something like unknown parts unknown. Yeah. Yeah, um, but there was I think it was a no reservations where he went to, uh, Sicily and You know, he was down in I don't remember the name of the city, you know down at the bottom and Um, I should really know this But it was so funny because the entire episode it was like you could tell that he was just tired of traveling And you know, they went on a boat and they were catching fish, but it was like there was some kind of polar mouth That's what I'm thinking of the city. Uh, there were some like, I don't know like weird Scam that was going on with a fisherman or something and he was just mad About the whole thing and at the end of the episode. I was like, I just watched him be really over this Oh, no, so if you watch there's an episode of no reservations I watched it on netflix last week where he goes to Buenos Aires And as half of it is on a therapist couch because one of the points he hits on about, um, Argentinians or argentines argentines is that there's no shame in going to see a shrink And so there's a bit of him lying down talking to a shrink in Buenos Aires And he says like I'm just really lonely doing the show. I just want to be home Tired of traveling like it was almost very cathartic because he was just laying out why he It was tired of doing the show It was just very Very insightful also, they didn't cover as much of the uh The local cuisine because I know argentina is very big on the beef Yeah, it's the cheapest steak and red wine I've ever had In Buenos Aires. Yeah, I was there for a month a few years ago and I mean It was like I'm like five bucks for everything. Where's the beef? Let's do it again tomorrow like a hamburger between two slices of beef A hamburger with with steaks for buns like a steak Yeah steak Steak fries and they're just steak slices Fries, yeah But well, you know, it's funny I I I know a lot of us kind of roll our eyes and say dream job How could you ever even complain about that? But oh, no, I get it when you travel enough and you travel for work And I don't care how cool it is the place you're going it is It's that guy has put a lot of miles on the road Television in general is also very taxing. Yeah, and and specifically if you're on the road and Everybody's lonely and everybody's tired like sure All being is the person in front of the camera, but imagine whatever they're feeling Times the 20 people that are there also shooting it and right And what you don't see is that like Four hours that one day where somebody lost an sd card Because we all know that that happens and you know, and everyone's just like, you know, miserable and For the future running around last minute because something you're supposed to shoot just fell through and you got to make it up And you're running around town Everyone's like click click talk talk because the thing about the way travel shows work is Unlike the way they're aired You don't shoot them like over the course of like half a year You shoot them like in a month a month and a half You're like you're hitting all these spots one after another because no one's gonna pay you half a year to go galvanting Right. Yeah Into four weeks the difference between a hobby and a job is you have to do the job. Yeah You can say I don't feel like working on my model train today and just skip it If you make model trains your job, you're like, you know, I wish I could skip the model trains But you know, I got I got to meet the deadline for the thing Are you saying that? Dtns is something you feel you have to do. I am lucky that Dtns is that is close to It's it's a job. Yeah. I'm not gonna say there aren't days where I'm like, oh, it's a job today But I you know, I would do this anyway for the most part. So I'm pretty darned The funniest thing that tom has ever said to me personally was before in in the in-between time between Dtns and and tnt was I you know, I don't know if I'll do a tech show And it's like I don't remember saying that that was No, no, there was and it was I was probably trying it out to see how it sound out loud A lot of I mean, there was a lot of things going on that I don't blame You know in the moment But it was like in my deepest despair, you know, it's like no, you're not like you wake up every day and you have tech show reflexes Like, you know, just just are going to that that knee is going to kick out no matter what But but I guess where where I will say the dts fits exactly what I was saying is People think oh you get to you get to play with technology and it's like no I don't get to if I do it for dts Yeah, if if if I get the new oculus go And I treat it as a job. I don't get to have fun with it. I have to document opening it I have to compare it to other things. I have to benchmark it. I have to video everything that I do and I can't just like Screw it open it up and play with it, right? Like it's a whole different situation when it's work versus when it's just for fun No, 100 110 percent It's anything that you do for a living you're going to find That there are limitations and problems and uh You know, there's fatigue. Yeah, it's like I run into this when I talk to people who have to watch tv shows To to review them to do some reasons. Oh my god Yeah, they're like, yeah, no everybody's like, oh you get to watch tv for a living How fun it's like it's not fun when you have to pay attention and and write about it Well And then write something pithy about why I don't like it. Yeah the worst are uh video game reviewers have to review really bad gains Because you have to finish it even if it's even the ones they enjoy they can't enjoy as much as they would Because they're like, oh, but I need to note that, you know, I gotta finish it In like a week. I have to finish it exactly. You can't like finish it next week. You got to I was I was a movie critic for a year And I stopped because I noticed myself My tastes in movies changed. Uh-huh like and I started valuing movies That weren't necessarily good They would just take risks. I I I recognized risky movies more than I recognize movies that an average person would like like Uh, uh, and I was like, well, I mean a do I really want to do this? No B. Is it worth going to see one movie that I really want to see early in exchange for watching? 50 other movies that I hate Uh, uh that are gonna be bad Uh early like it just it's it is it is a lifestyle that if you're not Really into writing or really into making a living doing it like it like anything else It's like it it it wears on you Well, we are not going to wear on our youtube audience any longer Thank you for for joining us today on the live video. Thank you for making this a jobby everyone Yeah I get it get it only took you 10 minutes, but okay, you will get you tomorrow