 Pakangutiki? Snapikulikuwe Kikiwa widika ya genu. Kwa nii nakawa bortia nii nika kuwaiti mewa. But wajan nii na kwenisha like ka? Nii, napa piw euro, kwa kuhu nii na kwa kwa kwa kwa. Ia nii mewa nii kwa kuwaiti kwekiwe suure. Kwa kuwa hiko kriwa kuwaiti kwenisha. Nika kuwaiti kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwenisha, ali kuwaiti wasure mubu kwa kwa waja yunusine. Yungi kwa mawa nii kwa kwa kwa. Taka na kwa waja wana nii kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa. So, that's why now forced the chairman to do the adjoinment of the yesterday's session of the IGM, now next week it will be okay and the union move on from where it started. You know, we have the members of the board, their term is coming to an end by 30th. So, next week the reconciliation is done, that's everything, now it will be okay, then now the board can be considered and moved on. But already we have the chairman, that's Taisasha, who's moved in as an opposed, then we also have the straight treasurer Aroni, who is also back. So, it's our prayer that the union now moves on from where it is and actually now the chairman gets the right board members. I think the athletes would make the right decision to elect the right people, so that once the chairman now be able to get the right board, things would be able to move very fast. You know, rugby has been doing well and it's one of the most respected games in the country and it has a huge following across the country. And also if the game has grown and in terms of development what I have done is that just to assist, make sure that the game cross across the country. And also we have also on some of the youth so that they can be able to be the feeder group of this particular team across the country. So, once next week everything is done, now it will be able to carry on. Because we have pepaks over there, but the biggest usual has been in terms of sponsorship and once the sponsors now come back, because once the election is done, definitely the sponsors will be able to be calling and they'll come back and they'll be able to pick some of the programs and continue with them. Bari, as scribes of course we've covered all these people seeking to buy for various positions. Alexander Sashamutai has been there, he's been a mainstay as far as matters local rugby is concerned. He contested like thrice before, but this time around he's been successful for him going and opposed, remember he opposed Rich at the Muel line in 2016 and was defeated. And so as you know the outgoing chair, Dwar Gangla, I don't know what you make of Alexander Sashamutai now rising at the helm of care, leadership and the agenda. The agenda he has heard for the sport. I think Sashamutai is an insider under rugby head. It will be interesting to see because now traditionally in elections in sports Kenya there is to get somebody going and opposed is quite rare. For him now it's an easy breeze, but now his agenda going forward. That is the main thing, we are looking at the chairman who is the face of the organization. What is Sashamutai going to bring on the table to drive the agenda of Kenya rugby for not only for the teams like Shudya and Simba, but also develop tournaments for clubs even for women rugby. For me my long term view is how is Sashamutai going to first of all bring heads together, unite the officials and also once the elections are done talk as a unit to bring more sponsorship and make the visibility of rugby bigger. That's how I view my intention or how I view Sashamutai regime going forward. He's been here before and probably we shall be looking forward to see him in the studio again to share his agenda and the colourful blueprint he has heard for Kenya rugby. In your own personal capacity you've been in charge of youth development at Kenya rugby union as the director and you're seeking re-election. I've seen it's a long list of those looking forward to challenge your candidate. Alongside John Kilonzo, he's also the incumbent. What makes you more suitable for re-election? I think we're there for the last four years and we've done what we've managed to do, but there was a problem that crops in that COVID epidemic because we had set our strategic plan for the four seasons. But see now in 2020-21 and partly of 2022 was much so much affected and you find that most development is told. Mostly we're doing the online and the Zoom's meeting but you see now that one was not. Actually it involves the one-on-one and it involves the fees because rugby is a fiscal game and guys are supposed to be in the pitch and I think that's a loadout thing. So that particular gap. Now coming back from the COVID we took time to catch up but as we move on to where we are now we've been able now to realign ourselves and the election now is just here. Once the election is done and the affidets make the decision because they also see what people are doing and feel that this is a program that we had set and we've reached out to them and we're working together. To accomplish our mission as a union. And once they make the decision and Sasha get the right board members now we'll consider again then we'll be able to move on very well. Despite that the biggest challenge with the rugby union has been the sponsors. Most companies are also affected by the COVID and see now after COVID also this company is coming back was an issue. Because they could not be able to give the way they used to move in and sign the contracts and long term contracts with the Kenya rugby union. Some of them were signing short contracts. Some of them could sign the contract but now when it comes to implementation they pull out because they are also looking at the financial deficit that they are having in the particular institutions. Because they are well willing to sponsor but you see now the COVID issue also already affected companies across the country. So that was the major issue. And all in all we have now when we check on my development desk they have quite a number of programs to be put placed. It started by moving the camps across the country for the youth and I had asked Paul Murungaba in there who was the coach for the Kenyan symbols. And now he had come out we had Namcos had come in so he was moving across the country and getting the data for this particular player. So at times when the under 20 team that now it's preparing for but there's a cup and the world junior trophy that Kenya is hosting in Yula here. So when national team coaches were wanting like a flango of 5.2. You see we had data but initially there was no data in the Kenya-Kenyan-Kenyan rugby union. So it could be able to say that player is in Mombasa and it could come and fit in the team. And that's about the rugby course once we that has the data don't lie. And that's what I brought to to to the development desk in terms of having these people developing both also the young girls to be able to feed up the lioness team. Because we are looking at long term programs initially Kenya rugby union was not looking at the long term programs. But I told these guys we are looking at 2025 and also let us look at 2070 World Cup then 2031 World Cup and 2034 World Cup. And each guys that are going to play in 20 we should be able to prepare and that's why the other countries like New Zealand, Australia they prepare. And you find that kind of like New Zealand guys could travel to Queensland where they having a tournament of 2500 kids just under 14 kids they are playing. And people could fly in with planes to come and watch this huge tournament. Both just within the Gauteng province. You see they hold also around 2500 kids just within the Gauteng province. And these guys are preparing themselves for 2034, 2038 World Cup. So Kenya if we don't have also prepare we have these young guys playing rugby in primary schools. So then we cannot be able to compete these guys. By the time we start preparing they are far much ahead of us. And that's what I was bringing into the development desk and telling them guys we need to start this particular stage. We get the data for these guys then now coaches start looking at them. So by the time we come to this point by the time now they move on to the ranks. And once we have a lead coach maintaining the data of these young players it will be very easy for even the national team coach now to get the right guys put them in the camp and play. The issue about the national team is not to come and coach a player. But that's what the problem that we do. We should be able to bring a player and fit that player in the team. Just to show the player how to fit a player in the team. But not to come and do basic coaching. And probably when Mike Friday came in 2011 and I said he was showing our national team players to pass. You see now Kenya you said Kenya we have a problem. And that is something basic. That should be done at tender age now. So we cannot be able to compete with those guys if we are doing basic things. But you see now Kenya could go and still win. But now it is assumed now this thing has done earlier. Now he has just asked these guys to fit then to play. You can even call these players you meet at the airport if they have been invited for an infiltration tournament. And you will go and win that tournament. Because now players across the country they have power for these skills. And we know we have the data we have already collected. Just a matter of putting them together showing them how to play together. And they go out and win. So those are some of the things that are put on the development desk. And I hope they are able to make that shown well. Then we will be able to finish up the second term. You have mentioned about a critical element of feeder system. And you know we have seen at the national team level players are aging. And some are announcing retirement. They are quitting the game. Andrew Amande, former captain, Colin Sinjera. One of the all-time tri-scorers. Amfri Kayanke already left a few years ago. The likes of Kinabiko Adema, Oscar Iodi, Oscar Uma. Several names to mention but a few. How have you been working collaboratively with Kenya's secondary sports schools and station K, AAA? I'm sure that we have new upcoming talent now. Feeling the void being left by these veterans. I think when you look at K3 Polisei is one of the major stakeholders for Kenya Rugby Union because actually most of these players they come through the ranks of primary schools and secondary schools. So what we've done, we have introduced what we called Ampevu with the group of the OZS. And that's a program for primary schools. And actually we were supposed to have, the election was just affected but we were supposed to have a tournament here where we'll bring this kid from the selected primary schools. There are around 55 of them just to have a huge tournament here and then now we'd be able to expand it to more schools. And even more schools were calling. The area to select these schools? Okay, we're looking at the regions. At least every region should have a school. And I find that now when you look at also the ministry, the ministry ones they're supposed to get across the country. And that's why we have selected schools and the response is very good. And we've done with the training of the teachers. We've trained the teachers. We've trained the teachers in terms of coaching. We've trained them the teachers to be the referees. And we've also trained the teachers to be the S&C. But when you look at, in fact, when you, I was looking at the data of the referee, the Kenyan referees, rugby referees, you find that a big chunk around 60% they are coming from the schools. They are teachers. And that's what we've done with the development unit where we've set up the programs where we go and within the regions. We go out, we invite them for training. Then we also assess them. We also have guys, they educate us. They assess them and they give them the report. And they improve and they get opportunity also to raise big matches. Also the nationwide, the championship and also involved in terms of raising Kenyakap. And that's the biggest thing that we've worked with secondary schools and it's working. Even the coaching also we've taken. And now on the development desk we've also done the S&C. That's something that's only done with the teams. But we also wanted to be done within the schools. And there's a time when I was working with the community rugby we invited a team from South Africa. So these kids were under 14. But now these guys when they came they told us they want us to bring under 16. Because what they had realized that with them they started conditioning their kids, their players very early. But as we wait until probably after the school that's where now we start conditioning. And that's where that gap is there. So we've also now realized that we need also to have this S&C in schools. So that we can be able to carry out the program. So when the player comes out, he's around, he's done the S&C, he's done also the, the player is conditioned well. And apart from the player being conditioned well he's also familiar with the basic rugby and he's also a good player. So we bring up holistic players. So when we feed them to nationwide they go to universities and the university are playing good rugby now and the program is well across all the, quite a number of universities. Around 90% of the university they are involved in this particular game. So now we'd be able to have the right players. And when you look at South Africa they have the Vast League. It's very competitive and when you some of the players who are playing for Springboks they have come from the Vast League. But you see now the program has started from where? From the schools. So we also want to make the school to be very competitive. And I've seen what the incoming chair Alexander Sasha, you know he's talking about the Kenya school league. And we find that that's just a league outside the K-3 policy. And we find that now if we are in that particular program the teachers are the one who will be involved in terms of running the program. The Kenya rugby now we'll just oversee the program and it will be a massive, massive, massive league that will end up selecting the players that will go and play for the invited leagues like Creven Week in South Africa and the Rangton in Zimbabwe. So that will be able to give us players and we'll be preparing for the national team players who are skilled and we've given them exposure and good exposure in terms of visiting these developed countries and playing the games and winning. When they come back our team will be excellent and the World Cup now will be an easy path for us to qualify for the World Cup. But while covering school games there are several institutions that have exhibited and whether in talent especially among the school going kids like Laser Hill, Kagamega High School, St. Peter's Mumias and just a few months ago my neighbouring schools Butula, Boys and Koyonzo defied all odds to win K3 Boles A, rugby school games something that was unexpected of them because we are used to the likes of Upper Hill, Kagamega doing that and what's your insight regarding the involvement of schools in the growth and development of rugby and the continuity because we get to witness this and talent at a tender age but suddenly they just vanished there is no program to check over their progress. I think from what Molimu is saying the program laid out or the blueprint part of the blueprint by Saash Amutai I think we can call him German elect for now is that if we go to the base and build programs through schools and for a country like Kenya we don't have a lot of academies I think schools are the best base and then now once we develop them let's say from primary or secondary for one all the way to form four and then there's a the pool of players who can now be going to to universities or colleges it will be the best because then now we are able to apart from starting from a young age to track their growth and tracking growth is very important now you see from this point to this point what has this player or this young person learned and so this will be a feeder program naturally even to Chippukizi or sorry the Chippus and then all the way to to the top level of Zimbals and tournaments like Prescott Cup is very key but also KSSA, KAA, SSA helps because it's our nationwide thing we will not only support rugby depend on Nairobi school or Lenana school or Kakamega high school even Masena school will go beyond you will get things you never even knew would happen and this is one of the reasons why we will not see a preserve where let's say Nairobi Nairobi is a preserve of rugby now there's nothing like that even in this case if KRU, KAA just collaborate and make sure this growth program and continuity continues I think we will have a pool of many many players that will act as a feeder to our programs and will be world beaters because established and everywhere in countries like South Africa and New Zealand just like you mentioned I'm sure they have got a huge pool of players and it gives the head coaches selection dilemma and I don't know whether that one applies to our situation here in Kenya we are moving there because when I came to the office as development director I had now to put that in place whereby we need to have a huge pool of players and we also need to have that data and the coaches will be accessible to that particular data in terms of when they come to training they already have a conceived data so when it comes easy we need to play but now when you also look at the KAA I think we also have the challenges with the schools especially when the principles we have the principles of the passion in the game and now when you look at Koyonzo Koyonzo is over 10 kakamega Kamega Munish was transferred to a school here that's in Nanyuki boys but Nadge had a lot of passion and the football Kamega was known and they were national champion for many years now the girls come in in a certain area and Bongolo left he left the school in Kitali St. Anthony probably if St. Anthony cannot be able to maintain it will go down and St. Peter will come up in football but St. Peter was known as I think that St. Anthony can also be said of you but during your time at Muwudumshiri the school was prominently doing very well and so during the time of Orero I think the sporting of Michael engineer was during his time but after those teachers get transferred or they quit the profession then things go away like now a school to watch in western province rugby is butler butler is playing good rugby because Shemenga left Mumiya and went to butler and used the game there butler was not known for rugby but see now is the teacher now who is transforming the school when I was there I went all the way to win East Africa and it was elusive the trophy was elusive for Kenya Kenya team went to Rwanda and they lost bad in St. Peter and Kangaro then I asked the coaches what happened they say the pool was tough I prepared the players because I wanted to set the pace for Kenya so we would be able to lose if we lose these games then we are preparing the other teams to come and overtake us so I went to set the pace and I went to Gulu with the young guys and we won the trophy in fact the ministry guys were asking me how possible is that Kenya we are doing well in the 7s and you can't win in East Africa we lost in Rwanda it's very ironic that's why I'm here so Murimshir was not a school that was known in terms of playing rugby but because I had a passion for us to win that particular tournament and I want the tournament and I am happy to see quite a number of these guys now they are also joining the initial team when it came to life, did you poach some players from other schools not necessarily on academic purposes but for the sake of winning trophies for the school you see I was running the age grade program the community rugby program and these kids started quite a number of them you see now around 600 kids we are bringing them every month and this particular age grade we have under 14 under 16 under 18 so I was moving with these guys I had already known them my trade friend from under 10 when they joined secondary school they came to where I was coaching so it was easy, they read the basic and that's why the exception of players because they had already come from the age grade program and that's part of the program that I was implementing with Kenya rugby because it's like it was a case study for my project and this case study also for Kenya rugby and that's why the affiliates because what they had done was selected and when I ended I was implementing that particular program but see now the COVID issue also cropped in and we were not able to do much but I hope we will be able to do well we got a few minutes before we wind up the show probably we can talk about the upcoming leg in Hong Kong 7s Kenya rugby 7s national team under Kuchidami and Magrad currently preparing for the turn as we speak right now place 13s think relegation looming and for the first time we will be very unfortunate and embarrassing if we get relegated and just after Hong Kong 7s we will be heading into a fixture that is very memorable to us in Singapore 7s and during Singapore 7s in 2016 we all know what happened Imba the late tactician won it for us and brought it back home what's happening and what's not happening I think we had a challenge the way I said earlier about the transition where we had some of the players now the old players in Jera and Monde coming up and then in between the leg also we have Imbaka who also called it off but you see now the transition is key where we have the young players coming in and in Jera was very good in terms of mentoring these young guys you could bring them in and they fit because he understands the game he knows how to press the ball he knows how to bring it down how to balance it's an impression and that's why players like Onyala Nindi were able to fit well so that transition normally is there but now we can be able to see that these boys are coming up well and now they are trying to balance we are getting 5.4 points but the last two legs we've gotten 7 and I know the Kenyans always when it comes to when time matters they will always perform and we hope that we will be able to we are in a tough pool you see South Africa has won Dubai we have New Zealand who have won and then we also have Ireland which reached the finals in Dubai with South Africa so it's a tough pool but I know the Kenyans the way they have trained up to the task and we will be able to come up Kenyans have been a core team since we joined the world 7 series and the boys will let it down I remember the last time we called now we got South Africa New Zealand in the same group can we already count ourselves out or we can pull America they have to believe some of these teams you are mentioning we have beaten them before lately we have been issues but the boys have to believe South Africa have not been well they are beatable we are in the same level now with Kenya South Africa and Ireland I see Kenya plays the way they are playing will be in for the main purpose all blacks all blacks looked a bit organized but Ireland is 50-50 South Africa is now we are in the same level and boys we beat them that's in there Vanguva so the boys can replicate the same because now they have known just to maintain the pace of the game and they will be able to play well so I feel I still feel we have a chance we have 4 matches to go 4 legs to go sorry 4 legs to go and I hope they will stand up they will organize themselves at least if we go to the main cup quarters then Uruguay doesn't do well in 8 or 2 we will be the top 12 and we won't go for the playoff still if we go for the playoff Kenya will be able to do well I've seen the last 4 teams Kenya will always come at the top Jeff Oloich just from graduating as a policeman and now back to the team I think it's one of the experienced players at the 7s as we speak now alongside Johnston Olindu who was on the sidelines now back again would they be a huge addition to the team? I think they bring a lot of value in terms of the experience they were out for some time especially Oloich I think this is going to be his first game this season I think integration is key and like Maluma said also transition for the future we can't just think of tomorrow or the next leg even if we survive let's say get 12 points still is not a good so a bit of arithmetic it's not arithmetic still it's not a very good show for team Kenya who is traditionally known in the 7 space but that also tells you teams have grown there are teams that we used to beat Canada's of this world now I see where they are because of the structures they are putting so transition is one of them development is another one infrastructure and sponsorship this all together we will not be struggling like we are struggling but to answer your question directly Jeff and Alindi will definitely bring something to the team now that Ambakas left and Colin Sinjera left and of course we are going to come to the end of this interview but before we do Malimu you got your camera tell the stakeholders and affiliates why they should consider you for another four year term when is the during Kenya rugby union's annual general meeting set for RFU grounds in a minute no I think the affiliates know and they've seen my work they know the track record the history of Mr Kikechikombo and when come Wednesday I think we'll be able to work together and both this game are forward now that we have the chairman who has a passion also about the game we have Gangla who has done very well it's been a team player it's not going to seek for the election but it's done well in terms of developing the game so I hope from Wednesday we'll be able to carry on and we hope that after this we'll make the right decision they get the right board members who will work with Sasha to take the game very fast and so bring the confidence of the sponsors of the Kenya rugby union so that we can develop the game Malimu Batolomeu Kikechikombo founder of Komra's rugby football club and currently the director of Kenya rugby unions in charge of youth development seeking re-election in the next weeks AGM set for a refue grounds on Wednesday I remember the elections were supposed to take place yesterday but they had to be adjunct due to a court dispute Sasha Mutai has gone and of course as the president of KAA Re replacing Odori Gangla was decided not to seek re-election due to personal reasons but obviously we wish them the very best and looking forward to how that exercise will pan out continue talking to us hashtag touchline we coming up next with Avery Sobamanu for Kenyan football for task KFC and also featured for the national team slightly and of course he will be joining us to talk about matters around the stars and the international break and also issues regarding grassroot football development capacity of our technical coaches the selection dilemma we've seen what is the exclusion of Benson Nomal as done in terms of opera on a social media platform so also issues don't go away continue staying tuned and keep talking to us interact at Y254 channel at Waizike Maxwell the show is starting don't go away stay tuned