 Hello, welcome to the Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach SIG meeting, today is April 15th and we are doing a special session about organizing Jenkins community events. Just to share some context, we had some changes in the organization. Marty Jackson, the previous event officer, has stepped down. I'm an active event officer. My name is Orek Narshov. I'm the Jenkins Dominant Board Member. And we actually looking for some help, because in Jenkins we organize a lot of community events, meetups, hackadons, etc., and all these events, they require some contribution to make them happen. And hence we launched a public call in the community, inviting people to join and contribute to events, organizing hosting logistics, and the today's session is basically the first onboarding session where you have the discussion. So this is an open session. You can interrupt me at any time, ask any questions. I still have prepared a short slide deck, but yeah, the main objective of today the discussion. Just so I can tell, share my screen. Do you see it? And I'll share slides right away. So yeah, there are some links in this slide, but you can just take a look. From the call participants who has ever participated in Jenkins online meetup or other local meetup about Jenkins, I'm sure that Olivia has participated in a few events as well. Organize some as well. Yeah, that's for sure. Let's just talk. So I will do a really quick introduction. Then I will do a review of events we're doing. Then I'll talk about how to contribute and the way we need to give you a chance, and then we will have open discussions and discussion about anything. So for meeting notes, we have various open documents, basically every Jenkins specialist group and subprojects that they have a kind of public track of the discussions. So today I decided to use a focus in the logistic meeting notes document. So if you want to put any notes, etc. Please put them here because then they will be shared. And of course we will publish a recording as well. So, yeah, Jenkins community has around 5000 contributors. It's the number we had in 2020, based on the hub. It's content, content commutations, reviews, comments, etc, etc. But the Jenkins contributions are not just about code, because Jenkins is a huge project is being used in various areas. And one of the important areas for us is to actually share experiences, share knowledge about Jenkins, and for that to be these various activities including online events. And we also have quite a number of contributors helping to be serious. And it's a really important part of the Jenkins community because it's out that we wouldn't be able to have so many users, we wouldn't be able to have so much documentation of various videos published on the Internet about Jenkins. And you can encourage everyone to participate. So, if you have never seen this page before. I'll stop the screen for now. So you have a page Jenkins slash participate this page at least common types of contribution including how code, how to configure the documentation design, artwork or creations and just helping users. Today, I'm talking rather about section. This section is not about detail, I would say, but this section, basically talks about events we have and how to contribute. How to contribute is basically, please, please reach out to advocacy and outreach seek. And today's session is just one step to actually improve this documentation and to provide more materials for contributors. So we will be updated later. So, Jenkins we have advocacy outreach special interest group, the special interest group focuses basically on various kinds of outreach and sharing knowledge. So, you focus on multiple areas. We're also organizing online events about what we're talking today, we also focus on on voting contributors, for example, code committers organizing special programs like hackathons or coordinating events. For example, maybe you participated in October first and the Jenkins project also participate in October first on a regular basis. And the basic is what number. And basically, almost all the events are coordinated under the approval of advocacy and outreach specialist. So this special interest group. So, I wouldn't actually take into consideration the list of numbers because it's a legacy on the Jenkins website. But yeah what we have, we have a million fees. We have a regular chat for the contributors and we also have regular meetings every two weeks, for example, the next meeting will happen next Thursday. And yeah. So, you can find that. Yeah, there are some ongoing discussions here and there is also a chat meter where you can join and discuss any topics related to Jenkins events, etc. And yeah, actually, what I wanted to say that really Jenkins needs you because organizing events is an important part, especially when we talk about local events local meetups, etc. There are a lot of opportunities for all of the different contributors because the entire Jenkins project is driven by volunteers and any contribution matters for us. Okay, so speaking about events, what do we do. One of the key events is Jenkins online meetups, then you have Jenkins area loan and sales meetups, basically local events. We have the nice conferences, we have the nice outreach programs, and we do some decent addition to that but these are forming types of events we handle. And I'm going to definitely this event types before that are there any questions comments. Okay. And let's continue. So Jenkins online meetup. Right now I would say that it's one of the main events we organize, because everything went online and Jenkins project is no exception. So the Jenkins online meetup needs a regular, well, not so regular, but quite consistent event. If you go to meetup.com there is a page for Jenkins online meetup. And there you get the nice events. It's every month. By now we have 47 online meetups. They target users and contributors, for example, we can have a meetup where Jenkins users shared. The world story sometimes you have contributors coming and talking about new features, for example, new Jenkins core releases, or new features being produced and sometimes we have the nice events for contributors like developers meetups. All of that happens on this platform. So right now you can see that there is no announced meetups except three conferences, which are about to happen in June. There will be a host event, a contributor summit, about which we can talk later. But we actually plan to organize a few meetups soon. And this is currently our main program. So we have a platform for meetups sponsored by the continuous delivery foundation. So we can host up to 500 participants in Zoom. We usually record this since published them on our YouTube channel from all through social media, we also control. And yeah, it helps us a lot to share information about Jenkins. And so these online meetups again, they are organized and hosted by volunteers, for example, me, Mark was on the call. We hosted quite a number of meetups. Olivia has presented Jenkins release automation infrastructure in August if I recall correctly. And again, you want these meetups to happen, but we need speakers, we need the hosts and it's one of the areas where everyone can contribute. For local events, well, so right now there is no local events in terms of offline events. There is Jenkins early meetup program. And the best times we have something like a, if I recall correctly, 60 or 70 meetups around the world. For example, there's a meetups in different cities in Europe, in the United States, in India, in Australia, in Africa. Right now, almost all these events are inactive because of coronavirus and the other online events. At the same time, it's still important to have local online events, for example, in national languages, because there is a lot of people who do not speak English or prefer to still maintain local community. And this is again a good opportunity to contribute. So, for example, in New York City, Jenkins is quite popular. It still has more than 50% of the market in CICD and automation. So, most likely in New York City, there are hundreds or thousands of developers using Jenkins who would be interested to participate in the meetup. And it's a good opportunity to build a local community. So, for example, I'm the leader of St. Petersburg Jenkins Meetup, excuse Jenkins Meetup. In St. Petersburg Jenkins Meetup, we have something 3,000 participants by now. Again, last event we hosted was in October, but yeah, I want to host another one. These events are quite active, but they meet people on the ground. So, usually, when you want to organize something, we recommend to just do it in New York City. And we are happy to help. For example, the Continental Relief Foundation provides us with a platform which everyone can use. So, you don't need to spend time on that. As Jenkins community, we can help you promote the event. We can also support for the event like stickers, etc. So, we are happy to help you with that. And you would be really happy if there were more local events happening nowadays. Oh, like the local, as an example of a local event that had an impressive attendance. You spoke, you and I spoke at Code for Cause. And there were what, 100 plus that attended that session. And there have been thousands of views of that thing. So, in particular, in different time zones, I think that this kind of organizing a meetup is very, very powerful. So, in this case, Mark talks about the event, which was in English, but it was conducted basically on the platform quite popular in India. So, Code for Cause is organized by several contributors. They have something like 50,000 subscribers on YouTube. Just a second. Trying to remember the interface again. Okay. So, basically, the recording is here because we were talking about contributing to Jenkins. It was quite a big event for us. And yeah, such events not necessarily hosted by the Jenkins community, they still quite important for us. So, just want to share the work about Jenkins, if you want to present any use cases, basically you can go to any local meetup or to podcast and again, you will be happy to help with that. My voice is a little low. Sorry. It becomes a common comment that is this I'm not sure what's happening with these headphones. Okay. So, okay, I'll try to speak louder. So, most of the events what we have. So conferences, again, all conferences are rather online. We do not encourage local events at the moment. Still, there are many conferences we participate in. So, for example, CD con, the next CD con will happen in June, DevOps world, former Jenkins world. It will happen in September. It has happened in February. This year scale, but unfortunately canceled but historically, we participate in this event and there are other conferences where Jenkins project has official representation. So, for example, we have a booth. We have sessions like the other visa as the experts workshops and various other collected events. And again, in the case of this event, we need contributors on the ground or online. I'm interested to dedicate the time and to organize this events to coordinate and it's a good opportunity. Also, there are many industry specific events. I usually go to hardware embedded conferences. And again, there is a lot of opportunities to talk about Jenkins there for rich programs. We have been participating a lot because one of the objectives of advocacy and outreach secrets to actually grow contributor numbers, increase visibility of the project. So we try to participate in common programs. For example, right now that is Google summer of course starting for Jenkins will be fifth year when we participate. We also participated in outreach. We participate in October first every year. We have our own program website needs to be updated. So it's now called LFX mentorship. But we have our account on this platform and we have hosted the project. And also Google season of dogs. We participated fast and hopefully will be accepted this year. There are many other local and remote events. And again, everywhere we interested to have some Jenkins presentation. So for example, if there is an event in your country like how to go or whatever if you want to organize something and basically just get together about Jenkins, it's what you need to do that. Okay, what else do I have here. Okay, actually, how to help. I mentioned a few examples. But yeah, what we really need the moment is organizers, because any event if you want to happen, there is a lot of work to be done. For example, just organizing the event announcing that hosting that the rating that and of course there is also a lot of logistics to happen because if you want to have an event, we need to announce it. So just to show you a few examples. So there are some meetup pages. Google summer, of course, this is a presentation. Mark together a couple of weeks ago. Also had quite a number of things. We also have social media. For example, if you go to LinkedIn, or if you go to Twitter, there are Jenkins accounts there. I mean, led by advocacy and advocacy and various announcements, promotion of existing events, not necessarily hosted by Jenkins. That is the post for podcast is one of Jenkins contributors and if you scroll down, you can see that there is various content, but we also announced events there. So it means that if you just see an event, which we have missed, it's a good opportunity to share information so that we can publish that and promote it so that I mean it gets more traction. Same for the Jenkins website. So here you can see that we announced some events on the front page. For example, she quotes Africa contribute on it's a program which is happening now. There are several mentors from the Jenkins project. Yeah, Jsoc, again, something to update Jenkins is the way it's ongoing outreach program where we basically try to collect feedback from users. There are a lot of stories in exchange for cool t-shirts and stickers. And again, it's under the umbrella of advocacy and outreach see, and we try to promote these events here. Again, CDCon generic thing for contributing. So right now, all major news are about events actually. We have our own event calendar. So Jenkins are your events. And again, the events there, we add them to the Jenkins community newsletters. And the continuous delivery foundation or umbrella organization also adds them to the newsletters. So there is a lot of such content here and there which again needs to be maintained. There is some contributing time. But at the same time, all of that are related to small and atomic tasks. So, for example, if you have 10 minutes per week or so, you still can help the project and it is much appreciated. What else do we have? Of course, a lot of logistics. Again, these events and coordination. We do announcements. We just try to build a contributor teams. Sometimes we have other objectives, for example, distributing Schwag to event participants, et cetera. And again, all the service needs some contributing time from volunteers. Not all of these activities are really exciting. But again, there is a big team, so we try to load balance so that as volunteers basically you choose what you contribute to. So definitely there won't be a manager who says what you do. If you are ready to help with any particular task, it will be much appreciated. There are also staffing booths, contributing, various design work, because again for many events we try to create something special. For example, if you go to Jenkins Artwork, you can see that I'm not sure what I picked, but it definitely wasn't intended. Okay, so artwork. So here you can see that there are various logos. Some of them have been created for meetups. So for example, this is Austin Meetup, this is for Belgium. Meetup, Olivier organizes and et cetera, et cetera. And again, if you just have an idea of what could be done, et cetera, just let us know because we are all of this content, we also use to raise the project's visibility. And if you're interested to help, again, Jenkins is a huge ecosystem with thousands of different components, basically pretty much every technology we have on the market, et cetera. So if you have an idea how to contribute, you can find something in Jenkins. Okay, and I guess that's all I had with regards to slides. So sorry if we took longer than a plan. I just wanted to provide the 10,000 feet overview of what we do. 30,000 feet, right? And now I would rather spend some time on introductions. So to discuss what are you interested in and maybe I'll talk about what other specific areas you would like to focus on so that we could deep-dive into these topics. So maybe we could start from short introductions then. Mark, Olivier, would you like to introduce yourself? I'm Mark Waite. I'm the Jenkins Documentation Officer and part of the advocacy and outreach SIG. And happy to help. I'm actually going to be exercising exactly the steps that Oleg has been describing as I will be providing a proposing and Jenkins online meetup with Uli Hoffner sharing some of the things he does to do plug-in and development setup for his students. And so I think the community will find it useful and interesting. And I'm planning to go through these steps. In my case, my name is Olivier. I'm the Jenkins Infrastructure Officer. So I coordinate every work related to infrastructure. My objective was to deploy the Jenkins that are your websites. I'm also organizing few events. I used to organize Jenkins Meetup in Belgium. I'm also organizing the CI CDD room at FOSM, which is a major open source conference in Belgium as well. And so yeah, I'm really glad to help. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. So who's next? Hi everyone. So I'm new to this group. I'm from India. So I've been mostly a user of Jenkins for the six years. So I've extensively used it. I'm a member of my organization. So I saw the announcement, looking for contributors on the outreach program on LinkedIn. So I thought I would want to help. So I mean, I would like to contribute. I don't know how, but you know, I think this presentation gives me some structure. I might need some help. You know, I can work with some of you in your organizing sessions and also get some understanding how these things are done and eventually I can continue to work. Hello everyone. Yeah, so I am a software engineer from Nigeria. We currently use Jenkins at my workplace and with different open source products I contribute to. So I saw a tweet from Oleg that he was looking out for some contributors to the project and I'm very happy to contribute, especially from Africa. I think a lot of Africans will benefit from this outreach program. So I'm happy to be here and to share in the process. I am from Armenia. I'm an entry level developer. I like volunteering and have big experience in different in organizing different. I can't remember the word. No worries. What? Yeah, events. Yeah, events. Okay. And so I know that Jenkins is very important part of development. So I decided that it will be useful to be involved in these processes and maybe learn something. So I know that volunteering is very cool. So Hope I will have fun here. Thank you. Hello. Yeah, hello everyone. It's Seymadri from India and I'm in the open source community for quite a long time as I started my career and learning from the open source community itself so I have a love for the open source community itself. So and I'm also a part of the open source community or WSP chapter here in Kolkata. I reside in Kolkata. So I love contributing and whatever way I can as far my limitations. So I saw the post of contribution so thought that it will be a great opportunity to learn from other persons who are organizing large events like Jenkins DevOps words like that. I also attended DevOps words as well. So and it will be very interesting working with you all and learning from each other's and enhancing my knowledge as well. So that is the main interesting thing that I love to contribute to whatever way I can. And first of all, I should I think I have to understand the concepts of process of the organization how things work and then I think it would be a better way to contribute to the community. As a whole. That's it from my side. Thank you. And hope everyone is fine and healthy in this current situation. Thank you. Okay, so thanks everyone for introduction. I mean, I was doing some notes. And yeah, I'm not seriously terrible at taking notes so if you see any mistakes or wanted something just go to the Google Doc. And you can put any of these there. I'm sorry if I missed something or made a mistake. So we can spend some time discussing various particular areas. So for example, where would you like to start and how you would like to organize the things. By default, yeah, my recommendation is to start from local events or maybe from online meetups because yeah this is a better way we need contributors basically not stop. We have the same for technical programs. Though, right now we have three programs running in parallel. So we have Google summer of course we have Google season of dogs and we have she called Africa, I get on which the strength. And if you're interested in any particular like documentation, etc. This is also an area where you could help right now. Yeah, I was thinking about local events and online meetups. So, if you have any questions if you want to clarify anything about the presentation or deep dive. Let's discuss that. If I can just add one advice, which is when organizing events it's always a good thing to try to identify someone who can help you. So if you can identify someone local to your, your community or whatever. It's always interesting to have someone with who you can talk and share ideas. Let's discuss about dates or whatever. I mean that's something that helped me a lot. That's totally right. You mentioned there was a guitar channel. Can you please share the link on the chat. Which one is that the channel I think. All right. So, I can do that. Here we go. Yeah, thank you, Mark. So, here we have all his communication channels I bit scattered. Let's say so. So, if you do Jenkins say you're chat. Yeah, you can find that we have a lot of communication channels. We have, became our default default standards. You have Jenkins Jenkins, basically main channel. We have a special channel for newcomers and producers where anyone basically can just go there, ask any question and we will either answer that or help find a proper channel. And we also use IRC for some methods. So, Jenkins release team uses IRC, Jenkins security team kind of uses IRC infrastructure team also uses IRC at the moment. But yeah, yes, it becomes less and less clear what we use with matrix and production. So, but yeah. And we also have some channels since luck. So, for example, continuous delivery foundation lives in Slack, and there is special domain for that. The continuous delivery foundation also has its own outreach committee they have their own Slack channel about meetups. So if you're interested, you can join that as well. And yeah, some of our sub projects and companies also like it in different channels, for example, there is Jenkins channel in the Kubernetes. And think to create Kubernetes actually is in another project. So, yeah, it's a bit messy sometimes, but if you cannot find something if you have questions just ask. And there are also various local community chairs, for example, I'm leader of Russian speaking thank you for being here. We have chats in Telegram, we have our own meetups, we have had our own mailing list. So, there are such local resources here and there. Okay, that's basically what happens with our charts for advocacy and outreach. We mostly use this chart and the mailing list. This chart you can see that maybe half of the messages are related to retweeting the posting something. And the other half of the messages with various discussions about events. Probably we will split this channel eventually. But yeah, basically any matters with events can be freely discussed there. So I have a question. So, may I? Yeah, sure. Yeah, so regarding the ISC channels. So these discussions, so contributors discussions, mainly go on the slash Jenkins channel or I am a member of the slash Jenkins as Jenkins. So these type of discussions contributors discussions also go on this channel or there is a separate ISC channel for that. So, when I start contributing for Jenkins, the most of the discussions you're happening in this C channel. So I'm using currency cloud, but this is basically Jenkins channel on a free note. So you can join it using any client. So you can see that there are some discussions happening there. There are also some other things related meetings. But historically it happened that many projects in some projects and special interest group. So now it's a bit more difficult. So I just wanted to ask whether all the developer discussions happened here. I just wanted to add so there is a specific page on the Jenkins that are your website, which is Jenkins slash chat. And there you have a list of the difference on communication channel where people talk about on a specific topic. The reason why you have so many different is because you have a lot of different groups, people working on different things and everybody has his preference. So some people will tell you that it's like it's awesome. Other people don't. And you also have the history like historically, we were on RC today, not everybody use RC anymore so it's really depend on the group of people. So if I can advise something which is elements that I also it's a matrix client, which allows you to have a bridge between kids or RC or whatever. So just create. Yeah, that's a metric protocol. So you just create an account there and then you can use it so personally I'm using it so I don't read my attention if I'm on guitar or RC and just, I just have a list of rooms and I just discussed those. But yeah, that's that's that the thing. And otherwise while I'm also the website you so you have the Jenkins chat, those are the discussion, you have also the calendar is that on the website so if you're curious about the future events. And yeah, you have a lot of different information also around communities in. And other projects. Yeah, so speaking of events, we didn't die from that. So, in addition to events, I briefly listed, which are basically events we are going to see. There are also community events. So here we have a calendar and this calendar basically can edit the Google calendar or whatever if you're interested. And there we basically list all community events. So for example, this meeting is here. This is one boarding this is a public calendar so anyone can technically join any session. The most of them, and you can find all of them here so can basically mitigate and see what happens and when. So we are distributed across multiple time zones. So some meetings happen, for example, at one for me. But yeah, it's how it happens. And yeah, you can just find all the meetings here for example advocacy and fish is also listed. So if you want to join you just subscribe to the calendar to your calendar and that's it. There seems to be a lot of links. Is there one single link where all of this is documented or we just have to navigate. So that's a good question. Because, yeah, it's one of the reasons for this meeting to help you to get on board it and secondly to aggregate something in a single location. So for example, yeah, it started this slide day. So I will be sharing that and maybe converting some of this notes to the documentation. So how to find the things right now. So for events we have to link a slash events, and it also links online meetups local meetups computer summits here. We also have your participate is neat. And again, and then if you go you can find links to various events from this page. And this is a page, a different plan to extend. And to review something much according to our discussion, patching to Jenkins documentation is very easy to improve this page. And you end up in the hub where basically you can edit this page and ask it off and then submit a public request. If you see if you want to add something to the page is just one minute of work and that's it. To answer your question, there is no one single page where you have a free name there is still room for improvement. And basically it's really dependent on the initiative so different initiatives have different maturity. And so if you identify a place where you don't have enough information. So it's a free to open the PR with the information with additional information. And it's also interesting to, I mean, it's even more interesting to contribute when you're looking for information that you can't find because when you work on something for quite a long time you tend to miss those information which are not abuse. Okay, awesome. Yeah, we're slowly running out of time but I can stay for another half an hour. If you want to derive the other topics. Yeah, we can continue if you want. So, any other questions comments or would you like to start from something particular. Maybe, yeah, since one referenced a wasp chapter. One of opportunities to use advocacy and artistic is actually sharing information share and content to the context of potential potential speakers, because you have for money event organizers one of the difficulties to search for find someone who would be presented. So, for example, if you talk about our last chapter, yesterday, one of our colleagues and colluding with us was doing presentation about the fact that Dodger, which is a one of our last projects. So for example, if you want Fred to present that you meet up, you can just think of us and we can help. And it's what we are doing sometimes in the chats so that we, many of us have contacts, no contributors. And if you're looking for something. We can help each other. So that we have speakers and we have more presentations happening. Okay, I will definitely. Maybe, actually using advocacy or CDF slack is the best option. Because for CDF slack, there are actually multiple projects. So can you give the foundation includes six projects at the moment, Jenkins Genki sex spin a care tick tone. So I start to use and this could be right off. So if you join this channel basically there is a shed for projects and also event organizers from different member companies. So if you can do that you can get even more responses. Anything else. One question I wanted to discuss is actually how do we organize next. Because yeah, there is a lot of opportunities for money I think you can just get started. So for example, if you want to host something. Do it together right away if you want to speak about Jenkins if you want to just contribute to one of the pending outreach programs. It's something we can do easily. If you want to start from something else, then let's discuss that we will be happy to help is anything. So yeah, hello. So from my part I can say I can help in the organizing events and other things with the community. Recording organizing the events and things have to learn from from those who are organizing right now as well but I can try my best to help in the organizing of the events as well. Yeah, that's the object. So we do not just want to just throw some of our tasks over the wall. Many of us quite experienced event organizers. So we can just share experiences, best practices between each other. That's an event happening. That's great. For example, how we could do that we could just have more as regular office hours, like this one, but use out slides and focusing on particular topics as one option. Another option is that we do everything personally through chats and just have events. For example, this meetings on demand. What would be your preference. Any upcoming meetups already organized. I mean if you're already organizing we can actually learn from that. Yeah, so for meetups, right now we don't have any meetups announced. I have a few online tabs in the pipeline. For example, about the phone client flagging about Jenkins Kubernetes operator. Hopefully you will have something else. We have other regular sessions. So I hope that within the next two weeks you will have at least one week up. Oh, like, do you think it would be okay if, for instance, in this in this meetup that I'm about to propose with Uli Hoffner the format is going to be sort of a discussion format if one of the, the, if Arvind or him Audrey or in in Debussy would like to be co host with me. I would happily include them as co host in the in my abstract proposal are any of you interested in that kind of thing it would typically be towards end of the day in Europe so roughly. Oh dear what time does that make you to see. Right to us. So if, if any of you are interested in being co host. It's not uncommon that I co host with Oleg but I would love to co host with one of someone else. Arvind is that a hand raised that I see. What does it mean being a course or what in this case. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry for that but I just want to know that what will be the timing of that coasting and what will be the timing of that event. So because the 4pm, 9.30pm IST. Exactly so the challenge there is the IST IST time. And so we may want to look for other other times that would work better IST. But, yeah, the thought for me was we do it at 4pm UTC, so that it fits with Uli's schedule. If you're not available we can consider alternate times because we need to reach more places than just Europe and Africa and the eastern US so I'm open I'm open to others I'd have to negotiate with Uli to see when he's available. He is definitely is based in Germany. Okay, so 4pm UTC means I think it is it will be 9.30pm IST. If I'm not wrong, it's it will be around 9.30. Yeah, it's it will be okay for me. You have already seen a doodle poll I've started for this event. And basically this is our approach. So the lead organizer chooses a number of slots, basically based on the availability. So then we just run a poll and when we see the best match, then we just say that, okay, this is for the time. So we don't have fixed time slots for events we just organize it folks based on the availability of participants. So why we talk about 4pm UTC is just because it's time where we generally have the biggest audience. But again, it's not the case for example local in the pubs if you want to organize something for India then you'll do it on the morning. If you want to organize something for the United States of Australia, it will be completely different time and we are not limited for that platform is available 24 seven. So it really depends on hosts and target audience and we choose a time when you want. Okay. What about co host. Just explain when you host meet up there are multiple threats to be handled. So for example, yeah, there is a presenter who does the presentation. And usually there is also a host who monitors this presentation my hands in the discussion. So for example, taking questions from their audience. Yeah, so we quite commonly do meetups together with Mark. And they think that you cannot really do a meetup alone because when you screen share you cannot track the questions you cannot track feedback for example you lose the network etc. And the common practice is to have at least two people. One is doing presentation and other one hosting. So introductions, questions, just moderating the things. And monitoring the things. For example, when something goes wrong to fix the platform, etc. And also what hosts do non sense events. The last minute. For example, yeah, we are ready to start the meetups somebody has to post in Twitter that we are about to start to join us so that you get some last minute participants. The same for example, we do this. There are multiple activities. Plus, as a co host, you might be taking some notes. So some events. Taking notes like this one so whatever maybe doing some transcripts. Also, sometimes just taking screenshots photos. Again, for example, for social media, etc. And so on. So there are multiple activities. And when we have three people participating. So one speaker and two hosts, usually it's more convenient. So I am Mark is has mentioned co host so that this work can be realized. And again, something happens, for example, if host goes offline because network breaks, etc. There is another host. So just to come back to my advice during the school like, if you organize an event is always more comfortable to have someone that you can rely on so if you have something unexpected that happen. That person will take care of that. And so I mean, in, and if it's really big event sometimes it's even better to have a few three person who can help you. So sometimes those people just do nothing because everything goes well. But yeah, most of the time it's always useful to be able to rely on other people. Also, we currently use zoom webinar for the most of the events. And there is an opportunity to ask questions for the audience. And basically for some questions we do. So we keep the most of relevant questions to the speaker so that we discuss them online. When the speaker is available. So for example, the host ask questions in the middle of the presentation. If presenters prefer so, or after the presentation, but some questions that they might be not relevant to the presentation or they might be trivial, etc. So we just answer them as we go so that we can cover these questions and not spend too much time on the corner. The end. Yeah. Another thing which is popular, for example, for contributor summits is just hosting breakout rooms. For example, when we do computer summits, we did the computer summit online only once in February, but then we had breakout rooms and in breakout rooms, again, you need mediators. So in such case having two hosts might be not enough. And the next event will be in June. And the big one. So again, having some more contributors would be definitely great. Does that answer your question? What. So again, it's just the brain down. So, yeah, there are events happening in there, but definitely there are many things where you could contribute. So will this meeting take place? The one that I was proposing is currently tentatively the first week in May or the second week in May. So two to three weeks from now. We, we've generally seen that it's best for us to have at least two weeks notice before we schedule a meetup to get best attendance. One week is also okay, but it's usually one to two weeks. So we don't announce meetup with a few months advance, for example, in Switzerland, it's common that people are also putting up this half a year advance. I still cannot understand how they do that. But yeah, in our case, we can announce meetup with really low advance, for example, there is a talk topic, etc. So I guess once we are going to announce it with today's advance, it's quite good audience. But yeah, we try to do some advance because yeah, many people do their own planning and obviously such a talk sessions are very convenient. I think I can try. My English is not so good, but I will do my best. By the way, do you speak Russian? Yeah, that, of course. So you could do something together for Jenkins. So we have five Russian speaking meetups. We have four in Russia, one in Belarus. We also have online meetups, for example, for October 1. If you want, we can just organize something together. Yes, of course. It's on my phone, but I don't want to organize Jenkins through meetups. That's great. And Oleg, I apologize. I have to drop for another meeting. Thank you very much for organizing this forum. Watch for my request to the advocacy and outreach mailing list. I'll likely mention your name as a possible co-host and the abstract should come out within the next one or two days. Okay. So in our case, we tried to do the most for mailing list because there's supposedly more from a certain chat. Now this luck, actually, for example, at our work, we mostly use luck instead of mailing list, but in the community, we still prefer mailing list. And then, again, just go to advocacy and outreach. In the community pages, you can just find the links on the right because we try to somehow organize our chat mess. And here, there is a mailing list. You can see that there are some events happening there. For example, one mark is ready. He will just send a message here so that we could discuss it. So, for example, last online meetup we had. We did a presentation news of a few features to basically mark center proposal to the mailing list is abstract, etc. And the process and it was published on our website and then the host of it. So you can see that there are some back and forth during the review. And finally, it was put on our online meetup, but we tried to do some reviews of some promising and collaborate a lot, for example, for Google Doc or other patterns, or if you're currently at all south, how can be for doing this infrastructure, you can also switch to how can be for meetups, I guess, because it would be convenient. Let's see. And if you have an idea, then you can just make a proposal here, or just subscribe to the events so that you didn't miss announcements. Yeah. So, the best. Yeah, for other comments events, as I said, we have three other meetups in the pipeline. So basically how it happens. When we have a speaker with right organizing it up. So we have a call for papers, a kind of it here plus mailing please. So we advise potential speakers to just write a show Google Doc and send the message to the mailing please and then we review everything in the mailing please. And once we are ready once we select the time through the just organized event. So, yeah, you can participate in this process right now there is no hidden parts, everything happens in public. And yeah, you can just contribute if you have an idea about posting your event, etc, you can do the same. Any other questions. I just want to know that if a new contributor have some any queries or anything. So what would be the best communication channel is ISE or feature and what will be the best communication channel to discuss. So I recommend mailing please for synchronous discussions. So for example, if you plan a long conversation. If you want to make a proposal if you want to get reviews, etc. If you just have a quick question. So for example, how I do something is better to do it in a github. Because you just ask and then you quickly get the feedback. And these type of online online discussions and other things will continue to happen for helping other new contributors and contributors like all of us we attended this event. So this type of online, I think it's my suggestion that this type of online discussions need to be done in an interval so that the new contributors can get a glimpse of how to contribute more or one of the other things they can contribute. I think that will be helpful for everyone of us. So this is just a suggestion from my side. It's definitely not every week, but for example, every two weeks, every month, we can meet for experiences just in life mode. There are two options actually that one option is to use existing advocacy and how to seek meeting. And another option is to have a separate event like this one. So if you're thinking about what you prefer, you can choose any of the options. But if you take a look at advocacy and advocacy program, nowadays it's also mostly about different events. So for example, last week we had a meeting with three people there. We were discussing CD-Con, including various events like contributor summit and both. Then there was a discussion about spinnaker summit because there was some confusion after it was promoted to Jenkins meetup groups. And there was an ongoing work on the Shwag bundles, community events, organizing. So one of the most natural ways for you is to just join the existing advocacy and how to change security. And if you have anything, you can adjust it to the agenda. Your next meeting will be on April 22nd. If you want to just make a suggestion in this Google doc, it's open for suggestions. For example, if you want to discuss any topic related to advocacy and outreach, you just edit here and that's it. And you need to be able to have separate sessions. So yeah, I'm not sure what's your preference. The time is fine for you. Yeah, so we say that we are alternating two different time slots, but actually we don't do it anymore. So right now it happens at 4pm UTC for the two weeks. But yeah, we cannot find the other slots. Again, it basically depends on contributors. So regarding the 22nd, April, so it will again, you share the time slots or it will be the same time. You mean for this meeting? No, for the next meeting? So advocacy and outreach, this meeting is fixed. So you can go to the events calendar. And yeah, the next meeting is happening. Yeah, so it's Thursday, April 22nd, and it's 4pm UTC. But yeah, again, if time is not comfortable, we can find a separate meeting slot or we can probably adjust this meeting. Because it's not like these meetings are fixed completely. We just agree that group of contributors, how you want to do that. So if there are more contributors who prefer different time, we can adjust. So regarding this time, is it fine with you or would you prefer to have a separate sync up meeting? Yeah, it's okay for me. It's okay for myself. And for others? Yeah, 4pm UTC is fine with me. It's 9.30pm, so. Yeah, that works for me. Yeah, that should be fine with me. Okay, let's keep this time tentative there. So I will have this one separately because if you organize drinking through there is another set of channels. And if you need to organize something specifically for event organizers, again, let's discuss together in the chat. So we can organize these meetings at home. Yeah, everyone of us has other full-time job, but we still can find the time or agree as promised. Basically, I'll focus on that. Anything else for today? Thank you. Thank you for this session. We had a lot of questions I had in your presentation before. Thank you, Tom. And again, if you have any questions, just ask in the chat and I'll meet with you. Hopefully it will be a great experience for everyone. Yeah, definitely. And thank you everyone for the time and be safe and be healthy. Yeah, we just share a lot of information. Thanks.